Saturday, May 25th 2013 - 05:34 UTC

Falkland Islands elected lawmaker will attend C24 regional seminar in Ecuador

Falkland Islands elected lawmaker Mike Summers will attend next week the Caribbean Regional Seminar of the Special Committee on Decolonization which is to be held in Quito, Ecuador in anticipation of the main C24 annual meeting in New York.

Member of the Falklands Legislative Assembly Mike Summers OBE

Ban Ki-moon and C24 president Diego Morejón-Pazmiño

MLA Summers says that he will be talking to members of C24, making sure they are aware of the Falklands position.

“It will be an opportunity to express the views of the Falkland Islands Government and the people of the Falklands, following the recent referendum” that overwhelmingly approved the Islands want to remain as a British Overseas Territory.

According to the UN C24 release proceedings in Quito will focus on the third International Decade for the Eradication of Colonialism (2011-2020), as the Seminar reviews developments during the first quarter of the International Decade and related novel trends affecting decolonization.

The Seminar will also discuss the situation concerning the Non-Self-Governing Territories within the remit of the Special Committee in the Caribbean, Pacific and other regions, as well as assistance from the United Nations system assistance.

The Seminar’s conclusions and recommendations will be considered by the Special Committee at its substantive session in June, and subsequently transmitted to the General Assembly.

Presiding over the Seminar will be Diego Morejón-Pazmiño from Ecuador, Chairman of the Special Committee. Other participants will include a specially constituted delegation of the Special Committee, comprising the bureau and members of regional groups, United Nations Member States, including administering Powers, as well as representatives of the Non-Self-Governing Territories, civil society and non-governmental organizations and experts.

Members of the Special Committee are Antigua and Barbuda, Bolivia, Chile, China, Congo, Côte d’Ivoire, Cuba, Dominica, Ecuador, Ethiopia, Fiji, Grenada, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Mali, Nicaragua, Papua New Guinea, Russian Federation, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Sierra Leone, Syria, Timor-Leste, Tunisia, United Republic of Tanzania and Venezuela.

The Non-Self-Governing Territories are American Samoa, Anguilla, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Falkland/Malvinas Islands, Gibraltar, Guam, Montserrat, New Caledonia, Pitcairn, Saint Helena, Tokelau, Turks and Caicos Islands, United States Virgin Islands and Western Sahara.

The administering Powers are France, New Zealand, United Kingdom and the United States.

 

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1 Monkeymagic (#) May 25th, 2013 - 06:48 am Report abuse
The Special Commitee

LATAM. 6
ASIA 7
CARIBBEAN. 6
EUROPE 0
AFRICA 7
MIDDLE EAST 3
NORTH AMERICA 0

So, no European or North American input, and with the odd exception some of the poorest performing countries with respect to human rights from each region.

This Special Commitee needs a shake up to “end colonialism”.

Make Australia the chair.

2 from Latam (French Guyana and Brazil)
2 from Carribean (St Lucia and Jamaica)
1 from N America (Canada)
4 from Africa (S Africa, Egypt, Ethiopia, Tanzania)
8 from Asia (Russia, China, Thailand, India, Indonesia, Japan, South Korea, Pakistan)
5 from Europe (Austria, Netherlands, Sweden, Germany, Poland)
3 from Middle East (Qatar, Kuwait, Iraq)
2 from Australasia (Australia, Tuvalu)

I reckon that shake up would see probably 14-15 off the list in a couple of months!!! Something the current jokers haven't achieved in 30 years!!
2 Pete Bog (#) May 25th, 2013 - 07:20 am Report abuse
@2
Sounds more internationally even.

“with the odd exception some of the poorest performing countries with respect to human rights from each region”.

This is why the C24 is an anachronistic joke.
3 Lord Ton (#) May 25th, 2013 - 08:14 am Report abuse
These seminars are supposed to be held on a NSGT - but these cretins would rather stick to South American countries with a night life and credit card hotels than actually listen to anyone from a NSGT. Still - it'll give them a chance to prepare for the 4th Decade ... and the 5th .... :-)
4 trenchtoast (#) May 25th, 2013 - 08:23 am Report abuse
I wonder how much this all costs, its a fair question considering how little they achieve. When they added French Polynesia the other day they needed an extra $101,800 from the budget for translation and document services.
5 Steve-33-uk (#) May 25th, 2013 - 09:28 am Report abuse
The C24 may be of use to the NSGT's if it wasn't corrupt.
It needs a total revamp with new members from neutral countries that support self-determination (i.e. none that have previously supported Argentinas colonial claims), with a focus on what the people of the NSGT actually want. If that doesn't happen the BOTs / all NSGT should boycott, until it does. The NSGT have all the power here, they should collaborate.

The current Ecuadorian president Diego Morejón-Pazmiño is acting as a spokesperson for his leader Correa and the Bolivarian Alliance!
6 Biguggy (#) May 25th, 2013 - 10:24 am Report abuse
@5 Steve
In view of your comment:
“The current Ecuadorian president Diego Morejón-Pazmiño is acting as a spokesperson for his leader Correa and the Bolivarian Alliance! ”
I feel it will be extremely interesting as Diego Morejón-Pazmiño has recently said:
“And when the issue refers to sovereignty, the Decolonization Committee has nothing to do”

falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/biased-statements-by-the-c24s-chairman-over-the-falklands/#comments

Just maybe the Falklands will come off 'The List'. However, should that occur where at the UN would Argentina get to have their annual whine?

@4 The Sec Gen of the UN has already issued veiled warnings that the UN is not getting its money's worth from the C24 committee.
7 Anglotino (#) May 25th, 2013 - 10:50 am Report abuse
Telling a people how they should live is just a new form of colonialism.
8 Conqueror (#) May 25th, 2013 - 02:12 pm Report abuse
It's a very strange situation really. Generally speaking, you are supposed to be a member of a club before its rules can be applied to you. The seventeen Non-Self-Governing Territories are not “members” of the UN “club”. We have pointed out, many times, to some of the numpties that get on here that General Assembly resolutions are non-binding but these “territories” are in the invidious situation of having to present their views about governance in their homelands to a committee formed of their enemies. No-one could accuse Bolivia, Chile, Cuba, Dominica, Ecuador, Iran, Nicaragua and Venezuela of being impartial. And why are two “big boys” like China and the Russian Federation on the committee? Are they there to cast meaningful looks around about how members should vote.
9 Gordo1 (#) May 25th, 2013 - 02:26 pm Report abuse
It is ridiculous to hold this meeting in Quito - both the newly elected president, Correa, and the Chairman of the Committee, Morejon, are know to be biased in the extreme. Furthermore, the members of the committee as denounced above are equally totally unqualified for the task. The committee is a laughing matter and is just a job for the boys. No serious notice should be taken of its decisions which nobody is obliged to take any notice of anyway.
10 manchesterlad (#) May 25th, 2013 - 03:11 pm Report abuse
This reads like a list of rogue states......Cote D´Ivoire, Congo, Cuba, Mali, Iraq, Iran ....... even China & Russia are not known for their civil rights

Who in the modern world are going to take anything these guys say seriously???
11 Steve-33-uk (#) May 25th, 2013 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
@5 - 6 - 8
Further proof if any needed...

'Boudou thanks Ecuador for support over Malvinas issue - Vice President Amado Boudou assists Correa''s inauguration in Ecuador.
Vice president Amado Boudou attended the inauguration ceremony of the re-elected Ecuadorian president Rafael Correa and expressed his gratitude for “backing a claim of Argentina over Malvinas Islands.”Boudou stressed on importance of Correa’s support on the issue which concerns “the entire region and 40 million Argentines.”
“We are proud to have Malvinas as the issue of the great country,” Boudou said and added “President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner works on it with a lot of regional and global support claiming the sovereignty of Malvinas from international institutions.” Boudou assured that “Malvinas belong not only to Argentina but to the entire Latin America.”
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/131864/boudou-thanks-ecuador-for-support-over-malvinas-issue
12 Monkeymagic (#) May 25th, 2013 - 04:08 pm Report abuse
@10

Your point is valid, and as has been pointed out in other threads, the C24 knows it, which is why they know the best thay can get away with are weasel words hidden in reasonable sounding proposals.

The one where thay asked the General Assembly to confirm that self-determination was a fundamental right for the 11 non-self governing territories where there was no sovereignty dispute...weasel words

Calling the islanders a population as opposed to a people...weasel words.

When asked the “yes or no” question as to whether the 11 territories where there are no sovereignty disputes have the right to self determination. The obvious and universal answer is yes...however the C24 wanted it To show that the other 5 didn't. Now that'd be a GA vote worth having..but the C24 would shit themselves at the prospect.

Would anyone on the GA bother to ask for an ammendment because of these of the word population, no it would be petty, but not as petty as those using it in the first place.

And so it goes on.

A massive over representation of genocidal LATAM colonialists on the C24...time to sort it out uncle Ban
13 ChrisR (#) May 25th, 2013 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
I think we should hold a 'what is Ban Ki-moon saying to the C24 president Diego Morejón-Pazmiño.

My guess:
“Now get this right this time you stupid bastard, I'm fed up of having to defend your blatant disregard for the Charter.” BUT, put politely!

Ha, ha.
14 Searinox (#) May 25th, 2013 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
MonkeyMagic wants in the C-24 the imperial terrorist from the NATO haha the ones who violated all international laws...
The world belongs to ALL OF US, not to Europe or North-America...
15 Steve-33-uk (#) May 25th, 2013 - 10:44 pm Report abuse
@14 Searinox

We want the C24 to do its job and listen to the what the people of the NSGT's (i.e Gibraltar and the FI) want. Remember no NEUTRAL country would recommend the Falkland Islanders be ruled against their will by Argentina, that would be colonialism...

You should understand by now, the Falkland Islanders are innocent, they have the same rights as Argentineans / anyone else...

It is Argentina that would steal the islanders resources!
16 Conqueror (#) May 25th, 2013 - 11:03 pm Report abuse
@14 Oh yes, I quite agree with you. The WORLD belongs to all of us. Now, just to start this erudite debate, could you pop off to China and get them to make the same statement? And then ask them to explain their various territorial disputes. Next on your world tour will be the Russian Federation. They'll just love your ideas. Especially after being shoved out of eastern Europe. On to the Persian Gulf. Good luck with that. Left to you, you can start World War III and literally watch part of the world burn. Plenty of other places where you can start annihilation with your juvenile ranting. See if you can understand this. There is a simple legal principle called uti possidetis. It has been upheld by the International Court of Justice. “territory and other property remains with its possessor at the end of a conflict”. In 1982, argieland started a war. It lost. More accurately, it got beat shitless. The territories in our possession at the end of that “conflict” are ours. That's international law. Argieland and the rest of latin america are trying to violate that law. See whether you can understand THIS. You will NOT succeed. You want to see the missiles fly? We have them, you don't. The only “laws” that you comply with are those that suit you. You are, self-evidently, an anarchist. And, therefore, a terrorist. But, over hundreds of years, we have beaten people like you and destroyed them. Check back over history. It's so obvious around the world. In China, Russia, Spain, France, Germany, Austria-Hungary, Japan and others, some thought they could have “their” way. The world taught them different. Be warned!
17 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) May 26th, 2013 - 03:38 am Report abuse
Britain has not beaten an enemy “by itself” in centuries. If you don't believe me, check all the conflicts in the last 200 years and tell me in which did the UK not get “bailed out” (from WWI, to WWII, to Suez, to yes... even the Falklands. Without Chilean and US intelligence and French assistance on the weapons...)

Not one war I can think of has the UK actually been able to defeat an enemy entirely with its own resources, intelligence, or infraestructure.
18 Escoses Doido (#) May 26th, 2013 - 04:25 am Report abuse
@17;
You bellend. For starters you argentinians have never been in a 'War''.

The Falklands conflict was just that, - A conflict, to throw some undesirabes off the islands. (Surrender 14th June 1982, - General Menendez)

Your argentinian Fernch help with the Excocet is well known.

TTT - You as an individual, for me, are excrement.

Who the F**k are the likes of you to even comment on this?

Who are you TTT - - - ?????????

Just another troll excrement.
19 HansNiesund (#) May 26th, 2013 - 07:01 am Report abuse
@17

But of course! In all the history of human conflict, trust the dastardly Brits to resort to allies and alliances, when the Argentine model of beggar my neighbour autarchic backstabbing is so much more noble.

Idiot.
20 Troy Tempest (#) May 26th, 2013 - 07:03 am Report abuse
18esvosesD

Teen Troll Toby@17
is completely OFF-TOPIC and attempting to DIVERT and DEFLECT this discussion, while provoking legitimate bloggers like you and me with outright nonsense.

Ignore him.
His statement was a cheap “throwaway” falsehood, and he knows it as well as us.
21 Monkeymagic (#) May 26th, 2013 - 08:39 am Report abuse
@14

You obviously didn't read my post...or you are thick...probably both.

Currently nobody from Europe 1 billion people 40 odd nation states are represented on the C24. how is that “the world belongs to all of us”?

My recommendation in post 1 is FAR more representative of the “world belonging to all of us” than the current set up of the C24, with ALL continents and people's represented....not just a massive over representation of LATAM, Carribean and African.

It is exactly because “the world belongs to all of us” that the behaviours of a sub-committee shouldn't be dominated by a bunch of corrupt Latinos.
22 screenname (#) May 26th, 2013 - 11:41 am Report abuse
Looking at the list of nations involved. I am surprised a few of them don't walk away in disgust at the company they are expected to keep.

Not least the 'president' Diego Morejón-Pazmiño. I can imagine many of them needing several baths to feel clean again after being in his company.
23 Monkeymagic (#) May 26th, 2013 - 12:42 pm Report abuse
Nostril, yet again you show your ignorance of history and language.

Based on your rationale, almost no war in history has been fought between single nation states will absolutely no involvement from any other country, be it intelligence, technology, arms supply. Any war using dynamite can be argued to have involved Alfred Nobel...it's a ridiculous and ignorant argument (so quite in keeping with virtually every thing else you post).

However, the idea that Britain was “bailed out” in any of the conflicts you list is ludicrous and asinine (two more adjectives which sum you up).

Britain was already safe having won the Battle of Britain (virtually single handed, but I am sure part of the Lancasters and Spitfires were supplied from elsewhere..), the support from the Allied powers was in order to rescue other countries from fascism. You see, Nostril, unlike Argentina, we fought Nazis, not harboured the child experimenters like Mengele!!

So, in order to rescue France, Belgium, Netherlands, Sweden, North Africa, eats from fascism we and our Allies sacrificed our own people, long after our own islands were safe.

The Falklands, we had a little help, but that probably saved more Argentine lives rather than British. Without the help from our friends we would have had to be far less merciful in order to regain our islands. But regain them we would have, no matter the cost to Argentina.

Anyway, always fun chatting with you Nostril, how is the acne? Have you got a girlfriend yet? Or any friends at all? no? Thought not....do they all think you are odd? You keep kidding yourself it's because you are “special”......hahahahahaha
24 Falkland Islands (#) May 26th, 2013 - 02:25 pm Report abuse
@17 TroLLey_to_Truth and guess what?? Argentina was on the side of the Nazis, no change there. And just to note that no army in the entire history of man has won a war on it's own. But at least we (Britain) won unlike Argentina who lost, even with American, French and German and other countries support.
25 reality check (#) May 26th, 2013 - 02:39 pm Report abuse
What ever happened with Peru's offer of Mirages and their pilots?

I did hear that they sent Mirage spares, wings, fuselages etc.

Peruvian pilots over the Falklands, I suppose the RNAS would call that a target rich environment.
26 A_Voice (#) May 26th, 2013 - 04:16 pm Report abuse
Our islands……British this, British that and just what is British and British Territory? Is this defined as belonging to Britain and what is Britain, a land or a people? If it's a people then the islands surely belong to the citizens of Britain…..but they don't, they belong to the people of the Falklands. Can a British citizen move there, purchase property and work? Same with Bermuda, Caymans, Virgin Islands, Turks etc…….NO!!. Who pays for their defence? The British taxpayer and what do they get in return……nothing.
Can the BOT's move to Britain, purchase property, work and enjoy all the other benefits the British taxpayer provides……YES!!……Is this fair to the average British taxpayer? I don't think so.
They are quasi British, a colonial relic from a bygone age they should be either fully integrated with Britain or cast off and independence forced on them and stop sucking up to Britain when it suits them.
It is a joke when a British citizen can live, work and purchase property in most of Europe but can't in British Territory.
27 screenname (#) May 26th, 2013 - 04:41 pm Report abuse
@26 A_Voice:

I 'Think':

How very capatalist of you. I for one am happy that the UK helps out these small communities until they can find their own feet in the world. Casting aside people because they are of no use to me, or strong arming them into a political arrangement that would make them more detached from their day to day governance is not really something the peoples of the British Isles are comfortable with in this day and age.

Hugs and Kisses to DoD for his input your comment.

Chuckle Chuckle
28 Think (#) May 26th, 2013 - 04:42 pm Report abuse
(26) A_Voice
I couldn't have said it better........................
29 Troy Tempest (#) May 26th, 2013 - 04:43 pm Report abuse
@26 Argentinian Voice

A (Argie) Voice
Interesting comments. You seem to have a good understanding of the citizenship rules, but you neglect to mention the mutual, joint ventures, shared heritage, culture, and shared values.

The British people are very happy with their loyal friends, the Falklanders.

Of course, you cannot participate on any level with us, now that you shot yourselves in the foot by invading, blockading, tearing up agreements, propaganda attacks, political stunts etc.

Jealous, bitter, unhappy? :-)
30 Monkeymagic (#) May 26th, 2013 - 04:49 pm Report abuse
A_voice

Nice try...the old “cost to the British taxpayer” routine...LOL

Firstly, what exactly do you think the majority of the BOTs cost the British taxpayer...the square root of fuck all, a few pence per taxpayer a year for some, nothing for others. Force Independence on Pitcairn...right-o....

So, what you are actually trying to say is why should the British taxpayer foot the bill for the Falklands defence when they get nothing for it...it's the only substantial bill from the BOTs.

The reasons are three-fold

Firstly, the defence is required because of a belligerent and aggressive, lying theiving genocidal neighbour, who in living memory invaded the islands, held the population at gunpoint, and used their homes as positions to hide their weaponry.

On the whole the British don't like to see their overseas territories treated thus.

Secondly, because of the Falklands lying theiving belligerent neighbour 255 British servicemen sadly perished. You think a few tax dollars would see us disrespect the memory of those who gave the ultimate sacrifice to support self-determination?

Thirdly, the defence cost of the Falklands is not in perpetuity, come 2017 the islands will be oil producing and committed to covering their own defence costs, and should additional discoveries be made, it would seem likely that historical reparations could also be made....

You aren't the first to try and drive a wedge between the British taxpayer and the Islanders...but you are pissing in the wind and it's blown all over your trousers.

Finally, there is a fourth reason...we can see how much it frustrates, angers and humiliates the Argentines, and that alone is worth the cost...heheheheheh!
31 screenname (#) May 26th, 2013 - 04:49 pm Report abuse
@28 Think:

Very entertaining. Well done.
32 reality check (#) May 26th, 2013 - 05:08 pm Report abuse
Yes very well done, but here's a thing. You are still never going to get your hands on the islands.
33 A_Voice (#) May 26th, 2013 - 05:31 pm Report abuse
@ screenname
Ho ho ho and the western world isn't based on Capitalism? British businesses don't use the BOT's as off shore accounts to cheat the British Government out Billions of Pounds of Tax? The British Government didn't cast off Hong Kong and their people without a vote? They were only obliged to return the Leased territories not all of it!!Sucking up to China!!….Sounds like “Strong arming political arrangement”, to me.
@ monkeymagic…..If they were independent they could still have a defence pact with the UK and NATO……and by British people…..you mean you and a few others on here…..I don't remember the British public being asked if they want the Falklands as a BOT!
I believe the fourth reason is actually the only reason as we both know there is the British and everyone else is Johnny Foreigner!
And what do you mean “Tax Dollars” where the hell are you from? It's Pounds where I come from matey mate!! hehehehe!
34 reality check (#) May 26th, 2013 - 05:47 pm Report abuse
Wow, Tax avoidance, Hong Kong lease and Nato all in one post. talk about thinking ouside of the box. Thought this post was about the C24.

What does C24 have to do with UK tax avoidance?
What does C24 have to do with the return of Hong Kong to China?
What does C24 have to do with NATO?

Damn Jonny foreigner, stick to the subject!
35 HansNiesund (#) May 26th, 2013 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
@26

Isn't it amazing how despite all this, and despite the fact that for decades British governments would have liked nothing better than to hand the islands over, the Argentines have contrived to engineer a situation where no British government could ever accomodate them, even if one wanted to? And still they keep it up.
36 reality check (#) May 26th, 2013 - 05:51 pm Report abuse
Now that is the the best summary of this entire situation I have read in the 18 months I have been on this site.

Well done Hans, so simply stated, yet so true.
37 andy65 (#) May 26th, 2013 - 05:51 pm Report abuse
@ A_Voice not being British you wouldn't understand so go back under the little stone you came from we love you really DEAR THINK.
38 Monkeymagic (#) May 26th, 2013 - 05:59 pm Report abuse
Lol..would you like and respect a referendum in Britain as to whether they'd like to keep the Falklands as a BOT.(or whatever the islanders wish for themselves) .what a waste of even more tax...99.7% might take some beating, but I reckon we'd run it close.

Not at all, regarding Britain and Johnny Foreigner, there is Britain, there is NATO, there is the Commonwealth, there are multiple nations that respect the UN Charter...and then there are a few Pariah States, of which Argentina is one...and given that 30 years ago, they invaded and cost nearly 1000 lives, yes, making sure they don't get what they invaded for os pretty important.

So, your original post about BOTs was bollocks then, what you actually wanted to do was talk about the cost of defence of the Falklands...a problem soon to disappear...which leaves just the support of self determination, respecting the actions of the fallen, and pissing of you .

Pretty sure it's supposed to be tax pesos where you come from, but without a job you won't be paying much...hehehehe
39 reality check (#) May 26th, 2013 - 06:01 pm Report abuse
Of course he will never understand, like the rest of his kind he looks for excuses to deal with the shame of defeat, does that by attacking our way of life and our history. Whilst we have responsibility for the former, they seem to think we are responsible for the latter.

Pre 82 you could have said we were friendly to a degree.

Post 82 you could say we are unfriendly, to a degree, but that is their fault.
40 A_Voice (#) May 26th, 2013 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
@reality check
What on earth are you talking about you haven't made a single comment yourself about C24!! You rarely stick to the subject and don't try and delude yourself…….there is only one thread on here……it's called Argie Bashing read through all comments if you think not!!
@HansNiesund…….can't fault your logic…..fair comment.
@andy65 is that what you do when you can't debate……Insult?
41 andy65 (#) May 26th, 2013 - 06:14 pm Report abuse
@A_Voice, I am afraid that's all that's left is to insult idiots like you who have been brainwashed from an early age but lets be honest if your Argentine your insulted everyday by waking up and still having a thieving liar as a president don't you agree?
42 Monkeymagic (#) May 26th, 2013 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
@40

I have read through the comments, and this thread is about the c24 until some twat started talking shit about the cost of defending the islands to the British taxpayer.

It looks to me whether the thread was about whether the C24 is representative (it isnt) or effective (it isn't).

Now, you have to ask yourself whether making it more representative would make it more effective.

One of the last attempts to get something through the General Assembly needed an AMMENDMENT because the C24 is neither representative nor effective.

However, if you want some Argie bashing, I can oblige. argentina is a pariah state, it cannot accept its mistakes nor learn from them, it's deluded attempts at claiming the Falklands are a manifestation of their misplaced arrogance and their eternal quest to blame somebody (anybody) else.

Hope that helps.
43 reality check (#) May 26th, 2013 - 06:17 pm Report abuse
A Voice.

What am I talking about?

Have you read this article, take another look.

It's about a Falkland Representaitive attending the C24 meeting in Ecuador!

Nothing to do with UK tax relief.
Nothing to to do with Hong Kong hand Back.
Nothing to do with Nato.

You are using the usual Argentine ploy of distraction and irrelevance.

That's what I am on about.
44 briton (#) May 26th, 2013 - 06:38 pm Report abuse
We think its time to call an end to this outdated C24..
45 Monkeymagic (#) May 26th, 2013 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
Briton

It's outdated because its unrepresentative and ineffectual.

Draft:

The 17 Non-self governing territories will hold referenda every 10 years. The UN will ensure all referenda results are adhered to by the governing state, the territory and any relevant third party.

The Non-self governing territories will use the principle of self determination as enshrined in the UN charter to vote for either remainder of the status quo, full independence or annexation to a willing third party.

Only full independence removes the territory from the 10 year cycle.

Job done...bet the GA would support it, bet the C24 would shit themselves rigid before putting it to the GA.
46 HansNiesund (#) May 26th, 2013 - 06:47 pm Report abuse
The UN has repeatedly and clearly mandated the right of self-determination for NSGTs, without exception.

If Argentina had any sense, they would be clamouring for the removal of the Falklands from the C24 list, as the Chinese did for Hong Kong and Macau in the 1970s, precisely in order to avoid any difficulties with this pesky principle.
47 reality check (#) May 26th, 2013 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
Hans

Now you are doing it again. Your talking common sense, something lacking on the other side. You ever thought of emmigrating, I know of a place that could use you.
48 Redrow (#) May 26th, 2013 - 08:07 pm Report abuse
@ A_Hole

Poor Think. Your worst yet.
49 screenname (#) May 26th, 2013 - 08:22 pm Report abuse
@48 Redrow

That's a bit harsh. A_Voice might have been a bit close to DoD, but I thought the initial post was quite entertaining. Certainly more so than his 'surfer' cover name. I always find the disgruntled taxpayer character quite amusing, because to an Argentinean it seems so plausable, but to a British person it stands out like a sore thumb as fake.

The only 'British' person I've heard pedal that line is Mr Galloway, and as we all know he is really from another planet.
50 Troy Tempest (#) May 26th, 2013 - 08:34 pm Report abuse
“A Voice”

Think,
You covered all these topics,
cost to the taxpayer,
BOT military costs,
Hong Kong,
earlier, all under the DOD “Dame Dover” persona,
51 reality check (#) May 26th, 2013 - 08:36 pm Report abuse
Shit, we should count our blessings, at least he has not got on to the subject of Iraq, Afghanistan and the muslims. Give him time though.
52 Redrow (#) May 26th, 2013 - 08:46 pm Report abuse
@screenname.

I thought Galloway too. But I have literally never in my life heard anyone make the complaint that Think raised above. It took a few posts for Surfer and DoD to get rumbled. This one was obvious in the first two sentences. It's like turning on the telly and knowing immediately whether you are watching something real or seeing actors reading out a script.
53 A_Voice (#) May 26th, 2013 - 10:32 pm Report abuse
@Monkey
You asked whether the C24 is representative…….of the UN, no but it makes perfect sense when 10 of the 17 NSGT's are located in the South American area. As for Russia, China and India hehehe a UN joke if you put USA an administering power in front of Russia and the UK an administering power after India you have the the ranking of the top five Global Firepowers…..a good balance.
@andy65
Hearts and minds my dear fellow, you don't win hearts and minds by insults if you think Argentines are brainwashed then it's help they need and understanding. If you had been continually brainwashed by a government, who would you want to believe…..foreigners or your own kin? It's not going to happen over night!!
54 britanico (#) May 26th, 2013 - 11:41 pm Report abuse
@Monkeymagic Guyana or Suriname would be better - French Guiana is a French overseas department, and not a UN member state.

@A_Voice I would shed no tears if Bermuda and the Caribbean OTs became independent - they're as British as Uncle Sam.

As regards Hong Kong, keeping Hong Kong Island and Kowloon after 1997 would have been a bigger logistical nightmare than keeping onto West Berlin - the water supply came from mainland China. Plus China regarded the treaties as illegal and invalid. Thatcher proposed exchanging sovereignty for administration, but Deng Xiaoping said 'no'. tinyurl.com/bnw463z That would have been like the old concessions, which were part of China but under the jurisdiction of foreign consulates. Italy had a concession in Tianjin as late as 1947 - it ought to have one in Buenos Aires given the number of eyeties.

At least Deng had already devised the 'One Country, Two Systems' policy, Argentina is too thick to come up even with that.

@HansNiesund Exactly! Argentina could just adapt what China said in 1972, replacing 'Hong Kong and Macau' with 'Malvinas' and dropping references to 'Portuguese', who were actually prepared to hand Macau over 25 years earlier than they did.

“The [Malvinas] are part of Argentine territory occupied by the British authorities... Consequently they should not be included in the list of colonial territories covered by the declaration on the granting of independence to colonial countries and people.” tinyurl.com/nbrcm3u
55 Faz (#) May 27th, 2013 - 10:17 am Report abuse
With an Ecuadorian Chairman and with the Ecuadorian President, the C24 is quite obviously a highly partisan committee. There will be lots of hot air but nothing will change.
Time for Ban Ki Moon to step in and close down this circus. Mr Ban!.......
56 Monkeymagic (#) May 27th, 2013 - 11:05 am Report abuse
@53

Zero of the NSGTs are in the “South American” area. Or are you claiming the Caribbean for Latam now..have you told Jamaica??

It makes perfect sense for the C24 to be representative of the UN, which as you admit...it isn't.

my list contained no administering powers, perhaps it should've.

but the corrupt Latino talking shop trying any weasel words to try and make it look like the Falklanders have no right to the same self determination used by Latam in the early 19th century, has achieved NOTHING in 30 years.

At least we are now getting your true views and not your “concern for the British taxpayer shit”

So LATAM wants 10 of the NSGTs..LOL...why stop there, go and try for all 16 and California and Texas...LOL.
57 Pete Bog (#) May 27th, 2013 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
@53
“As for Russia, China and India hehehe a UN joke if you put USA an administering power in front of Russia and the UK an administering power after India you have the the ranking of the top five Global Firepowers…..a good balance.”

I hope I have not misunderstood you but Monkey magic mentioned the admin powers of China and Russia (hardly biased towards the UK), but not the USA, UK or France.

There is a mix of nations that would be biased for and against the UK.

The current C24 is so biased against (not resourcing history but parroting Argentina's untruths), that this will ensure the status quo will continue.

No one in their right minds would take any notice of members such as Syria, Iran and the other frequent human rights abuser nations in the C24, therefore the C24 will never achieve their remit which is to de-colonise not re-colonise NSGTs.
58 A_Voice (#) May 27th, 2013 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
@Pete
Ermm…sorry for the confusion I have no idea what Monkey meant by saying he/she should've included admin powers in his/her list??? As I understand, the admin powers of the NSGT's are USA, UK, France and New Zealand……obviously they wouldn't be members of the group.
I was having a laugh, when I looked at the list of members and saw the three big guns, the only nations of importance, it reminded me of the Global Firepower ranking…..USA, Russia, China, India, UK. and also the UNSC power of veto….a good balance…USA, UK……Russia, China.
Of course C24 is biased but my point was that as 10 out of the 17 NSGT's are in the American continent that seems to be reflected in the proportion of UN members from the Americas, the only other member that maybe should be there is Canada…….although they may or may not have a vested interest in The Turks and Caicos as a future province…
59 Captain Poppy (#) May 27th, 2013 - 10:43 pm Report abuse
#24 they sided with the nazis until they saw the writing on the wall. Peron, with his big brave balls declared war on the axis in like march or April of 1945 and sided with the Allied Forces. Pussy Peron.....as the peronist are today.
60 Monkeymagic (#) May 28th, 2013 - 08:35 am Report abuse
@58

In that the word from Ecuador and Argentina is that “the Falklands belong to all latin America”, then they all have a vested interest and should be excluded.

It would seem logical that the Americas be represented by Brazil, Suriname and Jamaica who would appear to have the least biased position.

If India is represented add Pakistan for balance.
If China is represented add Japan for balance.
If Iran/Iraq are represented add Qatar and Kuwait.
Europe should be represented two west Sweden and Belgium and two east Poland and Albania.
Australia and East Timor for an Australasia presence
And perhaps Russia, Indonesia, Thailand and maybe four from Africa
South Africa,Ethiopia, Egypt and Tanzania

24 countries representing all the continents with experience of both ends of colonialism.

A more rounded and more likely suceed group.
61 Biguggy (#) May 28th, 2013 - 09:18 am Report abuse
@59
I believe you may well discover that Argentina declared war on Germany in 1945 largely to be able to sign on to the New UN.
62 Captain Poppy (#) May 28th, 2013 - 09:22 am Report abuse
You are correct. They say the new world order taking shape. The belonged with the defeated axis that juan peron supported and they deserved to be treated as the defeated of WWII.
63 Pete Bog (#) May 28th, 2013 - 10:52 am Report abuse
@58
Ok, fair comment
@60
You would at least ensure the UN was less biased, and balanced-therefore it might achieve some results rather than remain in stalemate.
64 Philippe (#) May 29th, 2013 - 11:59 am Report abuse
Mike, as a distinguished Falkland Islander, the last thing he should do is waste his time with “C24” silly matters.

Philippe

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