Monday, May 27th 2013 - 07:18 UTC

“The Malvinas are Argentine, but also Latinamerican” says President Correa

“The Malvinas Islands are not only Argentine, they are Latinamerica”, said Ecuadorian president Rafael Correa who claimed it was time to put an end to the ‘colonial situation’ of the disputed Islands in the South Atlantic and blasted the Organization of American States, OAS for dragging its feet on this and other crucial issues for the continent.

President Correa also blasted the OAS, the Inter-American HHRR commission and the US

“The Malvinas Islands situation is untenable, the colonial situation must be resolved because the Malvinas are not only Argentine, they are Latinamerica”, said re-elected President Correa in his inauguration speech last Friday before lawmakers and foreign representatives. This is Correa’s third consecutive re- election, which he pledged would be his last (2013/2017).

The Falklands/Malvinas Islands currently a British Overseas Territory and confirmed by a recent overwhelming referendum, are claimed by Argentina alleging historic and geographic facts.

Correa was also merciless with the OAS which he challenges over human rights issues and the fact it is located in Washington.

“What use is OAS if we can’t have a definitive regional stand regarding such crucial, clamorous, urgent and evident problems as the Islas Malvinas? Malvinas are a British colony off the Latinamerican coast but over 11.000 kilometers from London and let me repeat this is not an Argentine issue because the Malvinas are not only Argentine, they are Latinamerica”.

The Ecuadorian leader warned that the peoples of the region “won’t pardon us if we don’t take historic decisions, if we can’t correct these vestiges of neo-colonialism in our America”.

Likewise Correa criticized the US blockade on Cuba standing since 1962, a decision which “openly and shamelessly challenges the inter-American OAS foundational charter and was condemned none less than twenty times by the United Nations”.

Both situations are ‘neo-colonialist’ and as such “Ecuador will never again accept neo-colonialisms”.

The Ecuadorian leader also came out strongly in support of the moral integrity of Argentine president Cristina Fernandez, of her deceased husband Nestor Kirchner and of the late Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez, much questioned by increasing disclosures of alleged corruption.

“They never could and will never challenge our integrity. They couldn’t with the integrity of Nestor Kirchner, they couldn’t with the integrity of Hugo Chavez and they won’t either with that of Cristina Fernandez”, said Correa.

Correa was first elected in 2007 and two years later in 2009 reformed the constitution and was confirmed for four years; last February he won re-election with 57% of ballots and with 100 out of 137 lawmakers in the one house national assembly has emerged as one of the strongest leaders in populist South America. But though populist on stage and speech, he has a very pragmatic approach to economic issues (he was educated in the US) and the Ecuadorian economy is going through a period of growth and stability unknown for decades.

In his speech Correa underlined Ecuador’s role in support of human rights but also bashed the US and the Inter American Human Rights Committee for having their main seat in Washington, “a country which is not a member of the Human Rights Inter-American System and which has ratified none of its instruments”.

He recalled that Ecuador is one of seven countries of the Inter-American Human Rights System that has ratified all instruments in defence of those rights.

Correa insisted that the seat of the Inter American Human Rights Commission should be in a country which is signatory of the agreements on human rights. The same, he said, “is extensive to OAS”, which is seated in a country ‘obsessed with the irrationality of the criminal blockade on Cuba”.

Fortunately “Latinamerica has other groupings and organizations such as the Union of South American Nations, Unasur and the Community of States from Latinamerica and the Caribbean, Celac to combat these kinds of aggressions in our continent” concluded President Correa.

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1 Anglotino (#) May 27th, 2013 - 07:33 am Report abuse
So the Falklands are a “crucial, clamorous, urgent and evident” problem for the whole of Latin America?

I would have thought corruption, poverty, and anti-democratic tendencies were more “crucial, clamorous, urgent and evident”.

But deflect to the Falklands. Won't change anything but some of the people will be fooled for a while longer.
2 Monkeymagic (#) May 27th, 2013 - 07:57 am Report abuse
Ecuador is Colombian and also Peruvian.

No specific reason, but if he can talk shit why not.....
3 Troy Tempest (#) May 27th, 2013 - 07:58 am Report abuse

“But deflect to the Falklands. Won't change anything but some of the people will be fooled for a while longer.”

Quite right. I don't know what mileage Correa really thinks he can get out of this.
No Malvinas solidarity spinoff for Ecuador, surely??

The propel there must shrug and ignore it. As an Orwellian ploy to distract the public, I can't see it playing significantly there.

The British must be a formidably powerful, influential, and diabolically evil Mega-Empire to wield such force in the world.

SA could be a powerhouse, and Ecuador the 'Jewel in the Crown' if it were not for the British stirring their cauldron and plotting their sabotage of all things Latin !

Either that or Correa feels the need to suck up to the most narcissistic leaders and states in LATAM. Mimicry is the sincerest form of flattery.

Honestly Anglotino, on the night watch, I'm amused to see what stories emerge and then watch as the trolls put their bizarre paranoid spins to them.

4 Pete Bog (#) May 27th, 2013 - 08:20 am Report abuse
“The Falklands/Malvinas Islands currently a British Overseas Territory and confirmed by a recent overwhelming referendum, are claimed by Argentina alleging historic and geographic facts.”

Geopgraphic fact. When apparently the Falkland Islands were first claimed to be Argentinian they were 1000 miles away from BA.

So geographical proximity is a false claim.

As for all the other historical facts when taken in context they favour the British.

“I would have thought corruption, poverty, and anti-democratic tendencies were more “crucial, clamorous, urgent and evident”. ”

Correct Anglotino, if a South American country can't run itself properly, the Falklands and the British are blamed and Correa should be concentrating on his country, not supporting Argentinian Imperialism.
5 Doveoverdover (#) May 27th, 2013 - 08:26 am Report abuse
@3 The British were a formidably powerful, influential, and diabolically evil Mega-Empire wielding force in the world, some have said. A bit like Rome under Caligula. But like Rome,the British Empire has fallen apart, the Scotland independence movement has revealed to Think that it was the English Empire all along and its paltry remains are now being picked at by modern day barbarians.
6 travellingscotsman (#) May 27th, 2013 - 08:37 am Report abuse
This is coming from a man who is so “just” that he refuses to hand over Asange, who is wanted in questioning for rape, over to the authorities just so he can score points with the Latam community. Latam has admitted having sex with these women, but says that penetration whilst the other person is sleeping is not rape. This is how “just” Correa is, yeah, Latin America has come far!
7 Redrow (#) May 27th, 2013 - 09:19 am Report abuse
How can the Falklands be decolonized to become Latino??
How does that work?
8 CJvR (#) May 27th, 2013 - 09:25 am Report abuse
@1 - “I would have thought corruption, poverty, and anti-democratic tendencies were more “crucial, clamorous, urgent and evident”. ”

LOL! - But that would mean doing actual work, it is much easier the whine and snivel about something else.


Ethnic cleansing, theft and penal colonies.
9 Faz (#) May 27th, 2013 - 09:58 am Report abuse
So he wants a Spanish/Italian/Nazi invasion of the Falklands like they invaded the rest of South America? doh!

South America is a colonial situation unlike the Falkland Islands which had no people and were settled by the British long before Argentina or the rest of the so called SA nations existed.
10 Anglotino (#) May 27th, 2013 - 10:09 am Report abuse
@3 Troy and @4 Pete

Correa is the enigma in Latam. He does a lot of good things for Ecuador and yet can't seem to resist the same populist crap that spews from the mouths of Argentina's or Venezuela's leaders.

And as you can see by our resident Argentine Think in Post 5, his new line of attack is to concentrate on the English again.

Meh.... so what. The Falkland Islands are no closer to being Argentine and Scotland is free to exercise the self-determination that seems to frustrate him so much.

Blah blah blah English empire.
Blah blah blah English colony.
Blah blah blah English squatters.

Can anyone remember the last time he expressed a new line of thought?
11 RedBaron (#) May 27th, 2013 - 10:30 am Report abuse
The Falklands are only Latin American if the majority of people who live there are latinos, which they clearly are not.
South American in geography - maybe, but definitely NOT Latin America.
12 Be serious (#) May 27th, 2013 - 10:52 am Report abuse
Tinkadova certainly knows his own mind. The fact that its still full of shit hopefully won't deter him.
13 Philippe (#) May 27th, 2013 - 10:54 am Report abuse
Correa is a monkey (a mono).


PS. Now I understand why Peruvians call Ecuadorians monos (monkeys).
14 kelperabout (#) May 27th, 2013 - 11:35 am Report abuse
So out of touch President Correa is with reality. So now not only does Argentina claim our territory seems like according to him the whole of Latin America claims them. Could be interesting so see this one pan out . Latin Americans fighting each other over what we now know is the real reason my homeland is so valuable to any one. OIL. Everywhere man has set foot to start a new life OIL and Religion has played a major part in war and corruption.

Thankfully the people of the Falkland Islands are much better informed and have sat on the sidelines watching others destroy each other for decades. We are not about to let Argentina or indeed any Latin American Country do that to us.

Before any of you lot contemplate our destiny best you start cleaning up your own corrupt mess that you have got your own countries in President Correa.

We have a democracy we are proud of and we intend to keep it that way.
I am willing to bet my life on it that if there were no chance of any financial gain emanating from beneath or around my Country Argentina or any Latin American leader would not come near us. That my friends is living proof of the workings of a great many leaders of the world. HUMAN GREED.
15 lsolde (#) May 27th, 2013 - 11:55 am Report abuse
Who cares what you think, Correa?
Keep you nose out of our business.
But why are you sucking up to Argentina?
Peru is their supposed friend, not you.
16 scottbart (#) May 27th, 2013 - 11:59 am Report abuse
oh I see, they belong to the whole of Latin America now do they? How ridiculous, how about they belong to the whole of humanity?
17 Viscount Falkland (#) May 27th, 2013 - 12:38 pm Report abuse
The falkland Islands belongs to the Falkland Islanders and always have been protected from South American despots by Britain.It will continue that way long after Senor Correa (Trasca) is dead , buried and forgotten !
18 Bongo (#) May 27th, 2013 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
@14 kelperabout

“...Religion has played a major part in war and corruption.”

Take a look at Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong, and Chairman Mao.

I'd say atheism has played a bigger part.
19 Baxter (#) May 27th, 2013 - 12:52 pm Report abuse
Just sour grapes because the UK will not allow Assange to leave the Embassy in London . If not why does he no also mention Curaçao , Aruba , Martinique , Guadelupe , French Guiana plus many others !
20 screenname (#) May 27th, 2013 - 02:31 pm Report abuse
Just out of interest, if you sit in a city about three and a half thousand miles away from islands that have a culturally different long term population and you claim those islands as (partially) yours against the wishes of the population, are you a neo colonialist?
21 Condorito (#) May 27th, 2013 - 02:37 pm Report abuse
Just ignore him, it is all hot air. It has nothing to do with the Falklands and everything to do with picking up where Chavez left off.
22 ChrisR (#) May 27th, 2013 - 02:39 pm Report abuse
18 Bongo
“I'd say atheism has played a bigger part.”

Well you would because you were indoctrinated by your parents into the Jesus swindle. I, on the other hand, woke up in time.

The ludicrous people you quote were communist madmen of very little intellect who only knew one way to deal with their 'dissidents': kill them.

Bit like the Crusaders, the RC Church and the Inquisition, the Reconquista with the Muslims, the suppression of the Jews in the Middle Ages (probably the first anti-Semitism), The Muslim Conquests themselves, the French Wars Of Religion, The Thirty Years’ War of The Holy Roman Empire killed 11.5 MILLION from 1618 to 1648 just because the Protestants defied the Catholics: in case you cannot understand the implication to you, that was one Jesus based delusionary lot against another Jesus based delusionary lot!

I bet all that smiting and killing makes you proud to be a ‘modern’ delusionary Jesus acolyte, eh?

As an atheist: ‘god help you’ but have you noticed he never does?

23 lion (#) May 27th, 2013 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
24 Conqueror (#) May 27th, 2013 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
It seems that, basically, Correa is a crook. For instance, “In December 2008, he declared Ecuador's national debt illegitimate, based on the argument that it was odious debt contracted by corrupt and despotic prior regimes. He announced that the country would default on over $3 billion worth of bonds; he then pledged to fight creditors in international courts and succeeded in reducing the price of outstanding bonds by more than 60%.” Sound like anyone else we know? Note this in relation to his father ”I do not condone what he did (but) drug smugglers are not criminals. They are single mothers or unemployed people who are desperate to feed their families“. Strange because I reckon there must be millions of single mothers or unemployed people who don't smuggle drugs. On the political front ”In February 2007, Correa's plan to have a referendum on the convening of a constituent assembly was approved by Congress. The referendum took place on 15 April 2007. However, after this date was set, the “statutes” for the referendum were modified by Correa to allow more powers to the constituent assembly. One of these powers was the ability to dismiss Congress, a power which Congress never approved. The newer version of the referendum was approved by the majority of the seven-seat Electoral Tribunal.“ Reading through the article in Wikipedia, it seems to me that he is attempting much the same as CFK. A personal dictatorship. But I thought it was funny that he suggested various institutions shouldn't be in the USA. As the USA is the largest contributor of money for them. Isn't that the normal ”latino” way? Let someone else pay, in time, effort or money, and then (try to) steal it.
25 Pirate Love (#) May 27th, 2013 - 03:20 pm Report abuse
..........In reality,

The FALKLANDS are BRITISH and remain so!
26 Stevie (#) May 27th, 2013 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
Keep that fire burning Correa...
27 Captain Poppy (#) May 27th, 2013 - 03:37 pm Report abuse
Correa being educated in the USA, (BTW can you blame him if the choices are in SA?), should know that possession is 9/10s of law. Assange is more Latam's than the Falkland Island's.
Correa, now that you've won another election, time for a constitutional change for tighten your grip and control?
28 Faz (#) May 27th, 2013 - 04:16 pm Report abuse
Yeah, keep that fire burning Correa... and toss freedom, democracy and free expression on it like so many of your neighbours. Tosser...
29 RICO (#) May 27th, 2013 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
He is a bit of an idiot. If he looks at a map he will see that there is very little difference in the distance between Britain and the Falkland Islands and the distance between the Latin areas and the Falkland Islands.
30 scottbart (#) May 27th, 2013 - 06:26 pm Report abuse
Makes me laugh at some these LATAM countries, they try to spout politics when they are nothing more than crooks pretending to democratic, its like 8 years olds trying to tell their parents how bring up the family! Just so dam cheeky!
31 briton (#) May 27th, 2013 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
Rafael Correa who claimed it was time to put an end to the ‘colonial situation’ of the disputed Islands in the South Atlantic

Bring it on,

But CFK has just gone deaf,

Bring it on—go on- don’t be a spoil sport..

all mouth and no trousers just like the rest of them bla bla bla.
32 Pete Bog (#) May 27th, 2013 - 06:33 pm Report abuse
Sounds like it-the South Americans don't grasp the irony of accusing the UK of colonialism( when they have been ceding powers to the FIG for 30 years), and the fact that the Argentine claim on the land rather than people that inhabit it, is colonialism of the worst kind (that's why the UK having moved with the times is no longer land grabbing whilst the South Americans are stuck in the 19th century.
33 Ayayay (#) May 27th, 2013 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
Watch out French Guyana. The Spains are conquistating a little.
34 Conqueror (#) May 27th, 2013 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
@26 Do enjoy a “dribbler”. Here's a tip. If you want to insult and derogate OUR country, we can wipe you out in hours or less.
35 scottbart (#) May 27th, 2013 - 06:54 pm Report abuse
32 Pete Bog (#)
Spot on Pete, they just cant see it can they! It doesn't even matter if the Islands were taken illegally, it wouldn't be the modern day islanders fault. In the modern world they have rights no matter how they got there!
I wonder how they would be reacting if the islanders were all black and ex sugar cain slaves, they wouldn't dare be trying the angle they are now!
The whole claim is just a way to have a go at the “Gringos” and I find it has a racist tone to it.
36 Captain Poppy (#) May 27th, 2013 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
These SA buffoons are really getting to the point that they need more than just a legal slap, they are in dire need of serious ass waxing. Someone is going to come along and make their shit flaky and definitely ruin their afternoon, to use an old Army phrase.
37 Brit Bob (#) May 27th, 2013 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
We'll keep our Falklands and President Correa can keep Assange.
38 Baxter (#) May 27th, 2013 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
37 I like it ! But the poor police outside the Embassy ?
39 Captain Poppy (#) May 27th, 2013 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
It's probably getting old for the police. Is it not moving unto a year now? I wonder if this is the outcome that brainless twit Assange envisioned and I wonder if the Ambassador and Correa are still chuckling at the British and USA? Assange is like that wicked witch of the north.......melting into nothingness.
40 Steve-33-uk (#) May 27th, 2013 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
'Without Chávez, the Bolivarian axis is crumbling'
41 Baxter (#) May 28th, 2013 - 12:09 am Report abuse
39 I may be wrong but the last report I read was that they are still there , at a huge cost to the Metropolitan Police ! But I take your point , the UK position surprised the Ambassador and President ! They forgot that , in the UK , the Supreme Court is just that , Supreme !
42 Anglotino (#) May 28th, 2013 - 03:18 am Report abuse
Assange is attempting to run in the Federal election for Victorian senators in September. He needs 14.3% of the vote to win a seat and then has 2 months from 1st July 2014 to take up his seat if he does. Otherwise his party can replace him.

There was a big deal made of it the start of April and now nearly 2 months later.... nothing.

Supposedly he thinks the government would then need to secure his release as an elected member of parliament. We already have enough preening, self absorbed politicians with their heads up their arses - we don't need another one.

I look forward to a constitutional slap down either before or after the election. And I hope he keeps rotting away in his jail..... I mean prison cell..... I mean the Ecuadorean embassy.

He hardly rates as a news item now. Forgotten for the most part.
43 Troy Tempest (#) May 28th, 2013 - 06:21 am Report abuse
If the Austrslian government would be coerced into an extraordinary imposition on their close ally in order to allow Assange to fulfill his new role, surely they would call it what it was, a ploy for release.

Why would they compromise themselves on a principle when it is an obvious sham, considering that Assange entered the campaign knowing that he was confined and under an extra fiction order, having lost all legal recourse?

Of course, they might go along with it, but these extradition cases can drag on forever in the courts, appeal after appeal, etc.

Could be years...
44 Stevie (#) May 28th, 2013 - 06:31 am Report abuse
Selling countrymen out in order to silence the truth, common behaviour amongst traitors...
45 Captain Poppy (#) May 28th, 2013 - 09:19 am Report abuse
Sorry to change the subject to that dickhead assange. My point was to merely show the correa got more than he bargained for. I wonder if he will go into the asylum business anymore? lol Not at least from the embassy POV.
46 GeoffWard2 (#) May 28th, 2013 - 10:40 am Report abuse
Correa is one of the few people in the Continent that should be claiming TFI for the pre-colonial owners of South America.

To claim it for LATINamerica is claiming TFI from one group of colonists to give it to another group of colonists.

It should be no suprise that Correa takes this position,
Ecuador annexed the Galápagos Islands - 600 miles out into the Pacific - on 12 February 1832, which, until that date, had been been (sparsely) inhabited only by Europeans.

More recently, Ecuador renamed the Galapagos island archipelago
by changing all the English names (since the time of Darwin and the Beagle) to Spanish names.
Correa is a surrogate colonist by inclination ... but only as long as the colonies are 'his'.
47 Anglotino (#) May 28th, 2013 - 11:04 am Report abuse
@43 Troy

Honestly Assange doesn't really rate much as news in Australia. Once you dig a little deeper into his past and current actions including his inability to accept any criticism or the fact that someone who believes in openness and no secrets, is unwilling to share anything about himself that can't be spun to further his own ego.

Our constitution has never needed to be interpreted to see whether someone who decided to live outside of Australia more than 7 years ago and is a fugitive from the law and has claimed political asylum in a third country is eligible to run for office.

I don't foresee Assange returning to Australia and Ecuador can keep him. It will be interesting how much Correa enjoys having someone shine a light on all facets of his government or how much of his supposed principles Assange will compromise in exchange for his asylum.

@44 Stevie

I wouldn't call Assange a traitor. While he has sold out many of his principles, I don't think he has sold out Australia; even though he attempted to silence the truth about what happened in Sweden.
48 GFace (#) May 28th, 2013 - 03:11 pm Report abuse
Translation: So Christina, you DO know when and IF you get to place your fascist colonialist jackboot on the Falklanders necks we expect gratitude and a share in the resulting oil wealth. After all we've supported your bogus claim for all these years...

@(The Assange subthread) Assange is an amoralistic narcissistic p____ who sold out the Belarus dissident movement to Lukashenko and no doubt Correa expects similar “gratitude” from him. My views on Bradley Manning are a too little long for this thread tangent but I suspect that JA is happy to hold him out to dry as a martyr for his cause. And to top it off according to several accounts, he's a douche of a houseguest who probably is making life for the poor people in the London consulate so miserable that they are dreaming up ways to get him out of their hair by either saying that there are no cops out and then sending him out for smokes, or just messing with him by giving him tranquilizers telling him to get into a “diplomatic envelope” for immediate departure and just leaving him in a corner for a few days just to mess with him and get even for him leaving the toothpaste blobs in the office galley sink (US Magician/Entertainer Penn Jillette gets credit for those ideas, not me, but they are just too wicked naughty not to share).
49 Gordo1 (#) May 28th, 2013 - 04:13 pm Report abuse
The Galapagos Islands belong to Argentina!
50 Britishbulldog (#) May 28th, 2013 - 05:14 pm Report abuse
Who's this little fucker sticking his beak in to British affairs. Go fuck yourself Correa you simpleton. The matter is non of your business or the business of Argentina and if you had half a brain in your stupid colonial head, yes colonial seeing that your forefathers came and murdered the Indigenous peoples of what is now Ecuador and then stole the land and settled on it, you would have seen that its all settled the other month with the referendum that the Falkland people had.

Jesus wept in agony at the simpletons that live in South America. No wonder these bastards had to leave Spain years ago they are that short of brain cells that if they had stayed in Spain they would have have married their sisters and brothers because no normal Spaniard would have anything to do with them. So they set sail and settled in a land far a way where they could shag their sisters in peace. South America the ses pit of humanity with a bright shining star called the Falklands Islands with actual people that have a brain.
51 Vestige (#) May 28th, 2013 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
Good indication of whats going to happen, growing support / domino effect in S.America. for Arg's claim.
One morning the squatters will awaken to a full continent which wont deal with them or take their flights or ships.
Then it'll be Mercosur making a deal with the UK/EU.
52 Captain Poppy (#) May 28th, 2013 - 06:33 pm Report abuse
Vesitge, let us all here know when that happens. Se that is the reason mercosur is dying and the founders are jumping ship to the PA......politics and no trade. mercosur has no relevant trade deals. HEr you considered becoming a sci fi writer? Great imagination. Actions are louder than words.......they support you in words.....when will their actions follow? ANy links to provide of intentions to boycott the Falklands?
53 Troy Tempest (#) May 28th, 2013 - 06:38 pm Report abuse
51 useless remainder

“One morning the squatters will awaken to a full continent which wont deal with them or take their flights or ships.
Then it'll be Mercosur making a deal with the UK/EU. ”

Why would the rest of SA shut their doors to markets for their goods and investment for their industries?

Why would Columbia, Chilé , Peru, Uruguay, or Paraquay ( LOL !) want to limit themselves to MERCOSUR, to be pulled down like Brazil, by failing, unreliable, 'boat anchour' economies like Argentina and Venezuela ???

Not when there is progress to be made elsewhere!!
54 inthegutter (#) May 28th, 2013 - 06:38 pm Report abuse
#51 It's very doubtful that will happen, South American trade with the UK is worth tens of billions of pounds.

However if it did it would just show what utter inhumane bastards the political elite of South America are. Trying to starve out a small community that has more of a right to the land that they inhabit (it being originally uninhabited) than most of the peoples (and virtually all the political elite) of those South American countries.

I think you'll find history shows the UK doesn't take kindly to bullies.
55 Domingo (#) May 28th, 2013 - 08:14 pm Report abuse
It is interesting to compare & contrast the decolonization of South America with decolonization of Africa

In Africa, the European systems of Apartheid were abolished, power, control of the land & state was returned to the indigenous people, the European immigrants returned to their colonial metropoles, the European cultural dominance was superseded by the return of indigenous cultural supremacy & the colonial languages were replaced by indigenous languages

In South America, the European systems of Apartheid was practiced to the degree that segregation of the indigenous population continues today, power, land & the state remains in the hands of the European descendants & European languages dominate

In South America the indigenous population number less than 2% of the total population; in Africa the situation is reversed where White Africans of European descent number less than 2% of the total population

The “Decolonization” of South America is little more advanced than the decolonization of North America, or Australasia, where the true Aboriginals all remain subjugated by the system of government imposed by the European settlers for the benefit of the European settlers

There are two classes of decolonization:

1. the colonial population relinquishes power in order to free the indigenous population and to cede to them full control of their ancestral lands before colonization, whilst the majority of the colonials returns to their metropole in a matter of years

2. the colonial population declares independence from the metropole but remains in the colony to exercise power over the indigenous population & denies them true freedom to control all of their ancestral lands before colonization; in practice little better than Apartheid regime of S. Africa, just 400 or so years longer in effect

Truly some “decolonized” indigenous peoples are more equal than others & certainly not equal to the European colonizers who never left their ancestral homeland

Sad but true
56 Stevie (#) May 28th, 2013 - 09:34 pm Report abuse
Make that “America” as a whole...

And I agree with you, the Europeans are, historically, a bunch of thieving, murdering reos...

Somwday they will learn though, someday...

As for us, well, we'll have to live with their legacy and try to educate people that look down on the native population.

Here's a starter for you.

“Maldición de Malinche”

Malinche, the lover of Hernán Cortés, indigenous woman and traitor represents today the doubtful skill of welcoming the “gringos” while looking down on the indigenous population.
57 Carrick1 (#) May 28th, 2013 - 09:42 pm Report abuse
Correa - name of Spanish descent. Forebears colonial. You'd think after 1830 and by now, Ecuador would not be interested in backing Argentina's colonialist claims. But did CFK pay Correa for this comment?!
The more I read about Correa, he doesn't exactly have a clean sheet behind him.
Correa has helped Ecuador, but getting involved with CFK will be damaging, when her fallout finally cannot be contained.
58 ChrisR (#) May 28th, 2013 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
55 Domingo

Interesting post but you left out one very important thing.

A lot of African countries did indeed go down that route only to find out that all the old tribal enmities were still with them and NONE of them understood how to run a piss-up in a brewery, never mind operate a successful farming operation.

I well remember when the farms were taken over in SA (quite how all the new political elite got them can only be guessed) and the new ‘farmhands’ took over their operation. The first thing they did was to kill the milking cow which had supplied milk to the farmhands for their consumption. AND THEN THEY COMPLAINED ABOUT THE WHITES.

When I worked for a short time in the Nigerian delta the people were just the same. Thought nothing of breaking into a PETROL pipeline to get free fuel, then some idiot always lit a cigarette! A LOT of people died in those fires. The first day I was driven to the terminal to work I noticed a dead body on a local loop (about 4,500V) wooden pole. The driver told me that was someone who wanted to steal the copper from the line. Survival of the fittest does not come into it.

Argentina, whether the trolls will admit it or not have several traits in common with South Africa. Their ‘government’ manages to cock the simplest things up seemingly without realising it only to blame everybody else (mainly the Brits).
59 scottbart (#) May 28th, 2013 - 10:53 pm Report abuse
@55 Domingo (#)
Interesting stats Domingo, but in the case of the Falklands there isn't any indigenous peoples to hand it back to, which again proves how illegal the argentine claim is, should they not be considering handing back Argentina to any indigenous peoples that remain , via DNA tests and going back to mainly Spain?
60 Pete Bog (#) May 28th, 2013 - 10:56 pm Report abuse
Good indication of whats going to happen, growing support / domino effect in S.America. for Arg's claim.

Yes-Argentina continually humiliated /squabbles with neighbours/continues to run an ineffective military/South America toothless/nothing actually happens, just yadder, yadder, yadder.

One morning the squatters will awaken to a full continent which wont deal with them or take their flights or ships.

Spanish squatters going back to Europe? No thanks, stay in South America and continue to live in the 3rd world. Perhaps the indigenous (non-Europeans) people might get some of their land back.

Then it'll be Mercosur making a deal with the UK/EU.

You wish.

What's going to happen? Easy. The UN Charter will be followed. The Interests of the Islanders (not those of Argentina and the UK) will prevail, and if South America is stupid enough to fight a trading partner like the UK (that imports more from SA than it exports to), they will get blown to smithereens.

Let's see who is right in 50 years time.
61 Baxter (#) May 28th, 2013 - 11:02 pm Report abuse
58. ChrisR .As always common sense based on facts . The same all over Africa . Ghana , really prosperous under the British , bankrupted shortly after independence . Could be not all their fault since their leaders were imbued with the Keynes theory , the state does control all !
62 Captain Poppy (#) May 28th, 2013 - 11:54 pm Report abuse
And here we have correa crying “Human Rights” abuse. Is it a human right to political ayslum now? One year anniversary is the sweetest, the second and third gets better. correa, are you still laughing at the Brits? The funny part of the article, the ambassador “hopes to discuss the issue with British Foreign Minister William Hague in ”a matter of weeks or months.” Which is it....weeks or months?
63 Baxter (#) May 29th, 2013 - 12:10 am Report abuse
62 Neithe weeks or months . No meeting since there is nothing to discuss . Assange comes out of the Embassy and goes , non stop , to Sweden to stand trial. If not he just stays there .
64 Troy Tempest (#) May 29th, 2013 - 04:09 am Report abuse
@56 Stevie
“And I agree with you, the Europeans are, historically, a bunch of thieving, murdering reos...”

and what are you, Stevie??
Amerindian ???
Not likely, as they are only 2% of the population and usually discriminated against so they have fewer opportunities to travel, learn foreign languages or study socialist/communist ideologies.

As you are a European descended S American, I suppose that you are a hereditary “thieving murdering reo... ”
65 Stevie (#) May 29th, 2013 - 07:14 am Report abuse
I'm a descendant of a bunch of thieving, murdering reos, added some Charrua blood and other specimen. Call me a mestizo.
66 Captain Poppy (#) May 29th, 2013 - 09:43 am Report abuse
Exactly what I called you before guzz
67 Benson (#) May 29th, 2013 - 11:46 am Report abuse
@ Stevie
So that should be “Someday WE will learn though, someday...”
68 Vestige (#) May 29th, 2013 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
60 lol ...50 years ?? .... In 50 years the word 'falklands' will only be mentioned be in pub quizzes* on the islands.
Your (apron grabbing) mechanism is due to fail, as all mechanisms must, there will be one flick of the coin that comes up with the word 'Oops'. Fundamental irreversible changes thereafter.
Just one tiny niche in the dam. Human error.
In the past when things moved slower, and the world was a politically much different, geographically much bigger, and technologically poor place 50 or 100 years was not even noticed. 50 years in modern terms is a very long time. 10 should be enough.
There'll be some signature to some agreement or some small change, maybe mummy will do it for you, maybe the young squatters, maybe the worlds overlords.
A giant column in your local paper, a tiny column in real countries' papers. A breach - Argies aboard and they're multiplying.
OH well, nobodys perfect prime-minister.

*questions asked in Spanish.
69 Anglotino (#) May 29th, 2013 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
Vestige, less alcohol before posting mate!
70 HansNiesund (#) May 29th, 2013 - 03:27 pm Report abuse

You're assuming, of course, that no evolution takes place in Argentina, which will persist endlessly with a 1930s political culture driven by 19th century attitudes. I wouldn't take any long term bets on that myself, they're a collapsing anachronism as it is now.
71 Clyde15 (#) May 29th, 2013 - 05:17 pm Report abuse
I have tried to make sense of your obscure and convoluted posting.
It appears to surmise that in 50/60 years the Falklands will belong to Argentina - is this what you meant ?
Hepatia gave it 25 years, so the ball is being kicked further up the field.
How about this equally valid scenario, Argentina will have imploded by this time and returned to individual autonomous states.
72 briton (#) May 29th, 2013 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
In 50-60 years
Argentina will just be another Chinese takeaway lol.
73 ChrisR (#) May 29th, 2013 - 09:08 pm Report abuse
72 briton

Mines a fried rice TMBOA with something 'on the side'.

74 Hepatia (#) May 30th, 2013 - 04:49 am Report abuse
Actually the Malvinas are not a Latin American problem but an American problem.
75 lsolde (#) May 30th, 2013 - 07:34 am Report abuse
@74 Hepatia,
Actually we are not a problem at all---to us.
We also don't care if we are a problem to a failed rogue state like Argentina, or indeed to anyone else, Hepi, old girl.
That's your problem.
@68 Vestige,
l suppose that you have to hang on to some hope, matey.
But that's all it is...............misplaced hope.
l envisage Argentina imploding within the 50 to 60 years that you've allotted.
After Chile & Paraguay taking their land back, that Argentina stole, there may even be a spare province or two left for us!
As Briton says, that's if the Chinese have actually left anything! lol!
76 Clyde15 (#) May 30th, 2013 - 08:54 am Report abuse
Actually it is “Argentina” that is an “American ” problem for both north and south.
77 Simon68 (#) May 30th, 2013 - 12:32 pm Report abuse
75 lsolde (#)
May 30th, 2013 - 07:34 am

“... there may even be a spare province or two left for us!...”

I can't resist it!

You should get Tierra del Fuego, that way the malvinista dream would come true: “Tierra del Fuego y las Islas del Atlántico Sur”!!!!!!!!
78 Hepatia (#) May 30th, 2013 - 03:03 pm Report abuse Wow, you nust really have a low opinion of North Americans.
79 Clyde15 (#) May 30th, 2013 - 04:54 pm Report abuse
Explain !
80 briton (#) May 30th, 2013 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
# yes 78 explain..
81 Captain Poppy (#) May 30th, 2013 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
#78 Yes please do I would enjoy reading this one .
82 Stevie (#) May 30th, 2013 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
Come on you three, you really need him to state the obvious? Let me do it.

lion called the North Americans implanted Europeans.

You can argue and say he called the South Americans that and not the North ones, but the difference, using his arguments, is inexistent.
83 Captain Poppy (#) May 30th, 2013 - 11:26 pm Report abuse specific.......don't lump North America in South America's self perceived problem of the Falkland's.
84 Hepatia (#) May 31st, 2013 - 04:38 am Report abuse I was specific. I ssaid that the Malvinas is specifically an American problem,
85 lsolde (#) May 31st, 2013 - 08:31 am Report abuse
As l said, Hepatia, we're only a problem to those who want a problem.
As for us, we see no problem.
And if you or anyone else has a problem with that, then, that's your problem. lol!
Personally, l couldn't give a rat's arse what you think.
86 Clyde15 (#) May 31st, 2013 - 09:10 am Report abuse
By her incessant whining, CFK has made it S.America's problem. They wish she would shut up and get on with the real problems affecting S.America. I don't see any problem above latitude 23ºN.
87 Captain Poppy (#) May 31st, 2013 - 09:39 am Report abuse
Please humor me and explain how it is a problem for North America? Unless the trolls new strategy is that America ONLY mean's South America?
88 GeoffWard2 (#) May 31st, 2013 - 01:04 pm Report abuse
Poppy #87
I think he means LATINamerica ... lots of North America is 'Latinamerica'.

He is, of course, mistaken in his substantive argument,
but right in this narrow respect:

Mexico, Belize, Guatamala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama, and all the Caribbean countries ... even certain of the southern states, counties and cities of the USA!
89 Captain Poppy (#) May 31st, 2013 - 01:32 pm Report abuse
He is a guy? regardless, I have yet to hear a problem in the USA of 317,000,000 people regarding the Falklands or Canada 35,000,000. Mexico.......I can't say I know, or care. It's not a probel for the Falklanders or Britain and certainly not a problem for the USA or Canada.
I keep forgetting the new SOP for South American's is to refer to themselves as just Americans. It must feel good for them
90 Stevie (#) May 31st, 2013 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
We have always referred to ourselves as Americans, as well as those from USA.
You just happen to realize that now in our globalized world.
There are no feelings attached to the use of the word though, it's a mere fact.
91 Hepatia (#) May 31st, 2013 - 03:16 pm Report abuse No president of Argentina, including CFK, has the power to produce the outcome you describe. The Malvinas situation is a problem for America not because of CFK's “incessant whining” but because of the future national interests of the American countries.
92 Captain Poppy (#) May 31st, 2013 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
Population of South America.....387 million
Population of North America .....529 million

The so called Falklands problem exists only in South America's head, which is not even a majority so it hardly rates to being called a American problem.
South America is ultimately going to keep this rant up to the point that they will ALL get they asses waxed, being it a percieved continent problem the next time around only they will not get them handed back.
93 Domingo (#) May 31st, 2013 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
@56 Stevie.

Don't you concede that history has been hard on Malinche, given she was disowned by her family and sold into slavery and then gifted to the Spanish? Personally I admire her strength, intelligence and will to survive in a hard world

Personally I think the reason the Malvinas are considered a South American issue by South Americans is because the Islanders are different as a gringo ethnic minority; if they were hispanic they're would be less of an issue or even no issue at all
94 Stevie (#) May 31st, 2013 - 08:22 pm Report abuse
History will be hard on those who Malinche speaks about, that is her legacy...
95 Captain Poppy (#) May 31st, 2013 - 09:24 pm Report abuse
#93 that's a very interesting thought and one highly likely truth. Whatever the reality is, they will be Britsh when I die. Check out Venezuela making raids and seizing toilet paper.......shit is hitting the fan there now !
96 Pete Bog (#) Jun 01st, 2013 - 08:50 am Report abuse
“Actually the Malvinas are not a Latin American problem but an American problem.”

The Falkland Islands are not a an American problem-they are South Atlantic Islands.

It is Argentina that is the American problem.
97 Hepatia (#) Jun 02nd, 2013 - 03:08 am Report abuse You are about two centuries out of date. Europeans do not get to define American problems.
98 Pete Bog (#) Jun 02nd, 2013 - 02:25 pm Report abuse
“Europeans do not get to define American problems”

Yes they do, South America is run by implanted European squatters
99 lsolde (#) Jun 02nd, 2013 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
Oh like those implanted Spanish & ltalian squatters in Argentina, Pete?
The ones that are making a lot of ridiculous “claims” on the Falklands?
100 Pete Bog (#) Jun 02nd, 2013 - 10:16 pm Report abuse
Yes-the implanted squatters that are offering you three flights from Argentina on 'Delapidair' courtesy of 'who-ate-all-the pies' to persuade you to be Argentine colonists.

Wow, how tempting that offer must be.......
101 puerto argentino (#) Jun 03rd, 2013 - 02:12 am Report abuse
“The Malvinas are Argentine, but also Latinamerican”
102 Hepatia (#) Jun 03rd, 2013 - 02:18 am Report abuse I think we are all aware of Europeans' haughty attitudes towards Americans. But the issue of American independence of Europe was decided by the War of 1812. You lost!

Since that war the UK has adopted a policy of appeasement towards America (in particular towards the US). As a continuation of that policy the UK will be returning the Malvinas to Argentina within the next 25 years.
103 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 03rd, 2013 - 03:03 am Report abuse
@102 Hepatia

“. As a continuation of that policy the UK will be returning the Malvinas to Argentina within the next 25 years.”

Ah, Hepatia...

bitter, disgruntled woman, as ridiculous as your concept is that the US would confront Britain, or in this case the Falklands, over some peaceful civilians' islands in the extreme south of the Atlantic, your historical precedent is total nonsense, too.

While the British were at war with France and Spain, the Americans ( BTW, that's the 'real' Americans of the USA) attacked their Dominion of Canada possessions by attacking the city of York on Lake Ontario.
The British chased them back to Washington and burnt the Whitehouse!

Canada is still a resource-rich Constitutional Monarchy, living peacefully next door to the USA with 10x the population.
That Monarch is shared with the UK.
104 lsolde (#) Jun 03rd, 2013 - 08:06 am Report abuse
Oh dear, Hepatia needs to read a history book.
l think you'll find my dear Hepatia that we actually won the war of 1812.
The best can be said that it was a draw.
As Troy Tempest says we stopped American expansionism dead in its tracks.
lndividual battles were won by both sides, but the war as a whole? No.
Of course American history books will say that they won, that's to be expected.
Just like Australian successes in the Pacific in WWII were claimed as American or “Allied” victories.
However, dear Hepatia, that's water under the bridge.
And, like señor Think, you're just trying to get us & the Americans at odds with each other.
5 points for trying, but try again.
105 Captain Poppy (#) Jun 03rd, 2013 - 09:39 am Report abuse
Actually when I went to school, I never was taught that Americans won this battle and Americans won that battle, I was always taught that the allies won the battles. I have a few newspapers from's interesting reading. 1812 was a draw though no battle was ever able to take “Old Ironsides”, The USS Constitution down, which is still a commissioned ship in Charleston. A spit away and I have yet to tour it. The British gave her the nickname. I love those old square riggers.

Hep us a favor....we know your are posting to this need to include the article title in your post, do you know how to post without it?
106 A_Voice (#) Jun 03rd, 2013 - 04:00 pm Report abuse
@ 105 Captain Poppy
Interesting you call 1812 a draw, I do believe America declared war on Britain……haha…the first country after gaining their independence…..and it has to be their cousins.
Anyway what do you call a war when you fail in every single of your objectives…….a lost one.
America was very fortunate indeed fighting the British B team…..the brits needed the A team for Napoleon…..when Napoleon was laid to rest. Britain could have really turned it's whole might and attention to the Americas but they were more interested in Asia and were quite happy to leave the Americans deprived of the whole Northern Hemisphere of North America……haha and you call that a draw :-)
You have never beaten the British, round one was British subjects against the British…..Civil war and round two……you lost.
“Oh say can we see……” the British raining a huge barrage of heavy gunfire on the ragtag Americans and doing it on American soil……no wonder Obumer doesn't see “A Special Relationship” with the Brits he knows better!
Hehe and your anthem is to the tune of an English Drinking song……but all things said……..the Brits Love you.
107 Hepatia (#) Jun 03rd, 2013 - 04:10 pm Report abuse We won because as a result of the war Europe was forced to recognize American citizenship and independence. Despite this recognition the British on this board habitually revert the pre 1812 European ideology and claim that Americans are Europeans.

The irony is that modern Europe is largely an American, and specifically a US, creation. But maybe we should have done more. I've often thought that we should have occupied France and the UK after WWII to reconstruct them in addition to Germany. It would have saved us money and helped us to evade a very unfortunate Asian war.
108 Clyde15 (#) Jun 03rd, 2013 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
Who is we ?
109 A_Voice (#) Jun 03rd, 2013 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
@107 Hepatia
I'm not sure what you think the significance of the 1812 war was, apart from maybe creating an identity for America and almost bankruptcy?
If you ask a Canadian, about the 1812 they would say Canada won it. If you ask an American, they’d say America won it. And if you ask a British person…..they would say it's an overture by Tchaikovsky……it was a sideline to the British…….hardly gets a footnote in English history!
110 briton (#) Jun 03rd, 2013 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
Does it really matter?
The point is Hepatia is wrong,
The Falklands are British, and not argentine,

Just because some claim things that are not theirs to claim, don’t make em theirs does it,

After all chaps does then argentina have a right to claim the whole American continent just because its adjoining to argentine territory..
111 Captain Poppy (#) Jun 03rd, 2013 - 07:54 pm Report abuse
Trolls and spin masters, they never end.
112 Pete Bog (#) Jun 03rd, 2013 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
”Since that war the UK has adopted a policy of appeasement towards America (in particular towards the US). As a continuation of that policy the UK will be returning the Malvinas to Argentina within the next 25 years.”

This explains why the USA backed the UK against the Argentine Junta in 1982?

The USA cannot veer from its neutral stance-if it stands against the Falkland Islanders, it acts against the UN Charter and makes its own constitution void.

There are too many bonds with the USA people for it to sell the UK down the river, dating to WW1, WW2, and NATO etc etc etc
113 A_Voice (#) Jun 03rd, 2013 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
The USA has only self interest it would indeed sell the UK down the Swanee if it suited.....

“Lady Thatcher and President Ronald Reagan were engaged in heated exchanges as Washington's concern about its relations with South American countries led to strong pressure on Britain to come to a deal with the Argentinian junta.

Alexander Haig, the US secretary of state, proposed a ceasefire with an international peacekeeping force, including US troops. Lady Thatcher told Reagan in a telephone call at the end of May 1982 that Britain could not contemplate a ceasefire before Argentina withdrew from the Falklands.

According to Sir Lawrence, she asked Reagan: ”How would the Americans react if Alaska were invaded and, as the invaders were being thrown out, there were calls for the Americans to withdraw?“ She is said to have been ”dismayed“ by Reagan's attitude and wanted him to know just how ”upset“ she was.

Washington pointed out that the US had secretly supplied Britain's special forces with communications satellites and ammunition. But Lady Thatcher was adamant. ”We have lost a lot of blood, and it's the best blood,“ she told Sir Nicholas Henderson, Britain's ambassador to the US, on an open line. ”Do they not realise,“ she added, ”that it is an issue of principle? We cannot surrender principles for expediency.”
114 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 03:59 am Report abuse
113 think

“The USA has only self interest it would indeed sell the UK down the Swanee if it suited.....”

What a load of crap!

Is that really your summation ?

You are following the same script as Hepatia and the other trolls now.
Hepatia was attempting to drive a wedge between us by saying that the USA would betray us and hand the Fslklands to Argentina, out of “self interest”, and then she used a 200 year old historical precedent to 'prove' her point, but it showed just the opposite.

Think, do you trolls bother to reason things through before you sow the official 'seeds of doubt' on MP ?

From your post, it is obvious that the USA genuinely believed that the islands could not be retaken from an enemy well dug in defensively, superior numbers, more aircraft, and well supplied by bases only 300 miles away, compared to a British task force of 2 Carriers and 26 fighter aircraft, 8,000 miles from home.

However, far from selling out the UK, when they thought it was a lost cause, they did offer arms, intelligence, logistical support, even carriers by some accounts.
Anticipating a no-win for Britain, they offered their own troops to Peacekeep and attempted diplomacy on Britain's behalf - scoffed at by the Argies.

Yes, Britain did all the work, were the only ones to risk lives, and we know that Thatcher followed the only path she could, the RIGHT one, the ethical one.

However, it is very clear from the events you have laid out in your post, that we were not abandoned or betrayed by our ally, as you Argentine trolls are determined to have everyone believe.

Let's see what role self-interest plays the next time you really need the “friends” you abuse so badly.

Paraguay and Uruguay are already going their own way, and Dilma is somewhat “frosty”.

I'm sure you can rely on Equador and Iran, though.

For now.
115 Captain Poppy (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 09:31 am Report abuse
The trolls are constantly at work in their attempts to rewrite history. A_Voice that is thinkless, for whatever reason Obama has in playing politics that he has, in the USA, presidents come and go, goals specific to them come and go, but overall...through and through, the USA and the UK will support one another......much to your dismay, that is the reality of the relationship. Is it a perfect lovey dovey relationship, hardly, but it has, does and will stand the test of time. Why? Because in the end, China is not one to rely on....nor Russia. Think.......did you mommy never teach you to play nice in the sandbox?
116 A_Voice (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 10:00 am Report abuse
@ Captain Poppy
No need to rewrite history my dear fellow, I need only read it………
War Plan Red
War on the 'Red Empire': How America planned for an attack on BRITAIN in 1930 with bombing raids and chemical weapons

Emerging world power feared British reaction to its ambitions
Plan Red was code for massive war with British Empire
Top-secret document once regarded as 'most sensitive on Earth'
$57m allocated for building secret airfields on Canadian border - to launch attack on British land forces based there.

Lovey Dovey indeed!
117 Pete Bog (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 10:31 am Report abuse
No one but Britain would have allowed airstrikes on Libya from their soil in 1986.

The USA would not be stupid enough to kick the UK for touch as an ally. Maybe the UK is too close with the USA at times,but the fact other countries are not and the UK still cooperate cannot be ignored by the US. Therefore the USA dare not be anything other than neutral over the Falklands.

Perhaps Argentina has forgotten that the only time citizens from South America were forceably (I'm not talking about polite exchange of letters here), evicted from the Falkland |Islands was by the USA in 1831-a fact the Argentines conveniently ignore, and rarely mention.

How many times have Argentinas military supported the USA?

Does Argentina think that close ties with countries the USA are not keen on is a good idea, to get them on board with their fairytale claim on the Falkland Islands/

A future US president may not be so keen on Iran Syria Cuba Venezuela etc etc.
118 Clyde15 (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 12:04 pm Report abuse
I would not be surprised if we had a similar war plan strategy in the 1930's. So what ? Did it happen ? A decisive NO.
Anyway, I posted this article months ago. Please keep up !!
119 Captain Poppy (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 12:15 pm Report abuse
Divide and conquer works for some, but you A_Voice are not some.....or any. Is A for asshole or Argentina? Please contrast the difference?
120 A_Voice (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 01:16 pm Report abuse
118 Clyde1- 102.5 FM
Ha ha the Clydesdale plodding along, the only true Brit on here. Although the Teuchter's would have referred to you as a Sassanach…….bet you used to fish for mackerel off Blairmore pier…. ;-)
Please read the following……
from here…….The Royal Navy never prepared a formal plan for war with the United States during the first half of the 20th century…..please keep up!
@ Captain Poppy
No it's the use of the indefinite are so funny, easy to distinguish an American from a Canadian they have a sense of humour or humor, to you!
121 Captain Poppy (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 03:56 pm Report abuse
#120 Your problem, is you focus on trees when the forest is the topic. Minutia, no wonder you still suck mommas titties. If I possessed nothing to argue with, I too would use your tactics. You idiot. You would be comical if you werenlt so said with multiple ID. If you have me at can always get a job as a spell checker, but I think they are dwindling in Argentina given the government's war against free press.

Now.....where are we....oh yes..................The Falklands are British, never will see an Argentina there, you slags, get it through your latam skulls.
122 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
“Ha ha the Clydesdale plodding along, the only true Brit on here. ”

You really are relentlessly miserable, aren't you?
A troll in the truest form.
Does all this make you feel any better, or do you still feel angry and under appreciated at the end of each day?

“...the only true Brit on here” , thanks for that, excludes you then.

What happened, Think? Obviously your were educated with the Brits, lived with Brits in your childhood perhaps? British Dad maybe, but he neglected you, or you weren't “properly accepted” by the society you were made to live in, bullied at school, and now you feel you need to prove each day, that you are not inferior??

Why are you so bitter? Just wondering why you are so entwined in our culture and yet you attack us - don't really care though, however, you must right cynical and miserable to live with.

Back on topic:

Let's talk about the Falklands.
Unless YOUR ideological allies, Equador and Venezuela, are going to declare on the UK, the Falklands will remain peacefully as they are, only wealthier.

As the Americans say, “Have a nice day!”

Oh, and a big smiley-face for you, too

: )
123 GeoffWard2 (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
'A troll in the truest form' #122.
There is nothing to be proud about in trolling.

It is just a more modern form of disinformation and diversion.
But apparently people pay to have it done on their behalf.

Personally, I prefer truth and honesty in my comment on the subject in question.
The underlying sadness for me is that some individuals actually believe the propaganda that they have been fed.
These days it is so easy to check the veracity of an argument; and arguments are so frequently found wanting ... sometimes so embarrasingly so that you feel sorry for the writer, having to debase himself/herself in order to 'earn a crust'.
124 A_Voice (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
@ Troy
You've got me under your skin.
You've got me deep in the heart of you.
So deep in your heart that I'm really a part of you.
You've got me under your skin.
Calm down lad you bite every time…..I knew, “the only true Brit” line would have the desired response……it was there especially for you….. ;-)))
@Captain Poppy
Wonderful comeback……pity the grammar was so bad that half of it didn't make any sense, of course, you can be excused… are an American….say's it all really…..say this aloud….Worcester Sauce… always, “has me in stitches”……and this, please say it……..Renaissance :-)
I came in at 106 with fair comment and opinion that was not refuted at all and again at 113……the rest is merely retort for insults. How is that trolling?
Would be quite boring if you all sat around agreeing with each other, how would that be debating?

In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is someone who posts inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog,
Do you mean like Captain Poppy and Troy Tempest?? @121 and 122??
125 Clyde15 (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
Lets look at your post item by item:-
If you knew anything about Scotland then you would know that Argyll is a Highland county so anyone born there cannot, by definition be a Sassanach.
No I never fished off Blairmore pier as it was 1 mile from where I was born. I did fish from Strone pier for Haddocks and sometimes joined my cousin fishing for Congers, from a boat, when I was about 8 years old. When you try to research your muddled answers, don't look up current info, which would show Blairmore Pier as the only one in use on Loch Long to date.. Strone pier was in use until 1956
The Royal Navy never prepared a formal plan for war with the United States you know for sure that no INFORMAL plans had been discussed ? Or is Wikipedia the fount of ALL knowledge.
My “please keep up ” related to the fact that I had posted something about this ages ago. You just rehashed what I had originally said as shock, horror headlines as if it was hot off the press. Did you actually watch the program on TV. I did.

As to a Clydesdale, I would be honoured to be associated with that magnificent animal. It's characteristics are amazing strength, equable temperament, puts up with fools but could rip you apart with one swift kick.

What is your point of using multiple identities? Do you get paid per posting OR are you ashamed of who you are ?
Your English style is a dead give away, regardless of the current name you use. Nostrils is as bad.
126 Captain Poppy (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 06:22 pm Report abuse
”@Captain Poppy
Wonderful comeback……pity the grammar was so bad that half of it didn't make any sense, of course, you can be excused… are an American….say's it all really…..say this aloud….Worcester Sauce… always, “has me in stitches”……and this, please say it……..Renaissance :-)”
You are a joke to your race whatever it may be. And yes...being an American means I can do as I please and you want to know something? Nothing a thing you can do is there?
show your balls need to do better than that to irk me........keep trying, I am sure your next post will kick it up a notch.
127 A_Voice (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
It's nothing to do with the pier fool……it's the location if you want to catch fish you do it at Blairmore, if you want to catch nothing you would fish at Strone, you should know that……but apparently don't.
The term Saxon was pertaining to your current locale not where you were born I only mentioned Blairmore to see if you had local knowledge.
You don't……“don't look up current info, which would show Blairmore Pier as the only one in use on Loch Long to date.. Strone pier was in use until 1956”
Strone Pier is not in Long Long it's in the Holy Loch a local would not make that mistake......So tell me Scotsman if I asked for Single Fish where would I be and what does it mean?
128 Clyde15 (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
Utter Ballocks !!!!
We locals ALWAYS considered Blairmore as the start of Loch Long. If you looked at the bloody map you would see that Strone point and Hunters Quay are at the mouth of the Holy Loch.
Blairmore is in LOCH LONG opposite Cove --see below smart arse !,_Argyll‎
Blairmore is a village located on the Cowal peninsula in Argyll and Bute. It is situated on the western shore of Loch Long and around 1 mile (1.6 km) north of... When I was there last Sunday, guess what, it was in the same place as when I was a child.!
I don't need a bloody Argie telling me anything about my own country !
As for a single fish supper, I would be inclined to shove it up your offence !!
I should have told the young man fishing of Strone pier on Sunday that he was wasting his time but the saithe he had landed proved me wrong.

Thank you for your reply as it means that I now know that anything you post is a load of crap and not worth reading.
129 A_Voice (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 07:22 pm Report abuse
You are talking Pish Blairmore is definitely on Loch Long and Strone Pier is definitely not and you are talking pish again, you ask for single fish when you don't want a fish supper otherwise you just say fish don't know crap and don't try and change your tune ,you said that Blairmore and Strone Pier are in Loch Long!!!
“don't look up current info, which would show Blairmore Pier as the only one in use on Loch Long to date.. Strone pier was in use until 1956”
130 Captain Poppy (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
Show your balls think and email me

show your balls

your clit is showing
131 A_Voice (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 08:00 pm Report abuse
@126 Pops
“And yes...being an American means I can do as I please and you want to know something? Nothing a thing you can do is there? ”
Apart from using the English language properly…….Nothing a thing ???
Email you for what purpose and why would that take balls, you really don't make any sense!!
132 Captain Poppy (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 09:28 pm Report abuse
Rub your clit or email me. FYI..... I type fairly well considering my limitations.
Think......give it up.....SA is dead....that's why you jumped ship long ago. I am in Argentina more than you are.
You are a bore.....worse......a latin bore. Do your noits you call kids a favor.....put a bullet in their useless heads before they grow into lice such as yourself.
133 lsolde (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 09:53 pm Report abuse
@127 Think/A_Voice.
l know you meant to type Loch Long, but in fact, it turned out LONG LONG.
Just FYI, the term “long long” in New Guinea, means crazy, mad or stupid.
As in:- “Dispela olgeta long long”.
Meaning, This man is completely crazy.
Just though that you would like to know! lol.
Also a bit of advice, don't try to tell a Scotsman about Scotland.
Obvious, no?
134 Captain Poppy (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 10:45 pm Report abuse
Really think....“.long long”......and you hawk on my typing. lololololololol
When you claim perfection, try not to show your errors.
135 Clyde15 (#) Jun 04th, 2013 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
Lets start again. Methodically !
“The term Saxon was pertaining to your current locale.”
Who ever heard a Scot refer to a Saxon ?. It's NOT where you live but where you were born. If you were born North of the Highland line then by definition you are not a Sassenach..end of story.
”Strone pier was in use until 1956”
This is a different sentence from the previous statement.
I was inferring that you would have looked up the net and found that Blairmore was the only pier in operation at present on the old Holy Loch route - now used by the Waverley on summer cruises. If you can read and comprehend maybe, just maybe, you would have seen me state quite forcibly that I am fully aware of Strone's location as I was born there and lived there until 1945 . We also spent our summer holidays there until 1951. Where do you get the idea that you could only get fish off Blairmore pier ? Fish, including haddock were reasonably plentiful in the Holy Loch until the 1960's.
Pollution in the loch from the American sub. depot ships cleaned out the mussel beds and the fish disappeared.
The term single fish is alien to me. As a kid in Glasgow, a single fish meant a fish supper unless you asked for a double fish, which strangely meant a two fish supper !
Explain your remark that I could not catch fish off Strone ?
I said.- If you looked at the bloody map you would see that Strone point and Hunters Quay are at the mouth of the Holy Loch.
OK tell me YOUR expertise on this matter. Give me the name and location of the butcher's shop in Strone. Who were the two sister's who supplies the village with eggs. What was the Dutch sea captains name who lived in the village. Who was the monkey wife ? The name of the local haulage firm. The names of the motor launches that ran the Holy Loch route.
So what are your credentials that I should take you seriously.
Where born, now live, schools etc. Or are you like BK who only says Scottish parents then nothing. I await your reply.
136 Hepatia (#) Jun 05th, 2013 - 01:32 am Report abuse The primary concern of the US in 1982 was to make the war as short as possible.

I think the attitude of the US towards the UN treaty is not what you think it should be.

In any case the US will attempt to maintain its long held position on the Malivinas; That is it will continue to take no position on the sovereignty of the Malvinas. Why should we do otherwise? IT may happen that in the future the US may be out in the position of having to make a choice, but I doubt it. If the US is forced to then it will make a decision so as to address the national interest as they appear at that time. But the US position on the Malivinas is not a factor in the dispute, so whatever the US position the UK will return the Malivians to Argentina.
137 lsolde (#) Jun 05th, 2013 - 08:48 am Report abuse
Malivians, Hepatia? Really?
They can have the Malivians anytime that they like. lf they can find them.
We'll keep the Falklands thank you very much.
As they are not, never have been & never will belong to Argentina.
Hope this helps.
138 Captain Poppy (#) Jun 05th, 2013 - 10:00 am Report abuse
Hep C stop saying “we” when you refer to the USA. You do not represent me, the people of the USA and or the government. Who do you think you are fooling, pretending to be an USA resident......illegally maybe, like 19 million other latins. There are two groups in the USA, ones that do not know of the Falklands and ones that support the Brits on the Falklands. So go back to BBQing chickens in your bathtub and stop using WE in the same sentence as USA.
139 A_Voice (#) Jun 05th, 2013 - 12:14 pm Report abuse
Ok let's lay this to rest!
I used the term Saxon in case there were any on here that didn't understand the meaning of Sassanach you now claim to stay in Ayr, so a Teuchter traditionally would have referred to someone from Ayr as Sassanach (Saxon) OK
Single Fish is a colloquialism that means fish without chips as opposed to a Fish Supper that means Fish and Chips……but this is apparently alien to you!!
You say…
“I was born in the small village of Strone, at the entrance to the Holy Loch, in Argyllshire in 1942.
Try looking it up on Google Earth.
This was a submarine base during the war ”and I could see the depot ship and submarines coming and going from the bedroom window“. I can remember seeing the Queen Mary in battleship grey coming into Greenock. I can also remember seeing the X craft midget submarines which used to train in the loch.
”I was born there and lived there until 1945”
I say…….you have an amazing memory for a 3 year old…. ;-)
you say….“I said.- If you looked at the bloody map you would see that Strone point and Hunters Quay are at the mouth of the Holy Loch.”
I say…..Strone point is at the mouth of the Holy Loch but Strone Pier is west of Strone point and very much in the Holy Loch.
I am not from Strone but I will do my best to answer your….“only I would know” questions.
“Give me the name and location of the butcher's shop in Strone.”…….It used to be next door to the old Doctors Surgery and was owned by Jimmy MacIntyre… dead, but his son Jim still lives in the big house on the other side of the road and he had a sister Carol…. ;-)
“Two sisters supplying eggs……..not sure………do you mean the mother and daughter that used to supply milk and eggs from Blairmore farm?
Dutch sea Captain……..again not sure……Do you mean Mr Abraiam with one leg……he had a foreign accent?
”Name of the local haulage firm“ ……which one? Mitchells from Strone or Ferguson from Kilmun?
”Monkey wife” don't know but can find out.
The motor launches were run by Ferguson that als
140 lsolde (#) Jun 05th, 2013 - 12:15 pm Report abuse
@138 Captain Poppy,
Don't know whether its fact or not, but someone on here said that Hepatia was a she & was Dutch.
Maybe she/he(?) has emigrated to the USA recently.
Not knowing this thing, Sahib.
141 A_Voice (#) Jun 05th, 2013 - 12:21 pm Report abuse
Opps......ran out of space
The motor launches were run by Ferguson that also owned the pub in Kilmun.
Fee Fi Fo Fum ….I smell the blood of an Ex-Scotsman
I'm not sure why exactly, I have to prove anything to a wee Scottie Dog ex-pat yapping round my ankles.
±133 Isolde
Ha ha I never noticed, perhaps it was a freudian slip, I have never claimed to be sane.
@ Captain Poppy
Try and understand the difference between Grammar and typo errors, I know it's not your strong point!
142 Clyde15 (#) Jun 05th, 2013 - 06:39 pm Report abuse
Well I can't fault you on some of your replies.
Yes I have some strong memories from that time.
I can also remember commandos running through our close during a training exercise.
Wasn't the Butcher Pete McIntyre .?and the tiny shop on the shore side was diagonally opposite the Post Office.
The local polis was Jackson McKay and lived up the start of the High Road from the village.
Sissie and Flossie were the ones we used to get our eggs from and they lived in the big house just about opposite the butchers.
I lived in Heatherbloom next to the shop owned by Granny Ferrel - memory of the name may be wrong on this.
I used to play with Sandy Thomson who also lived there.
His father was killed when his carrier was sunk.
Alec Polson who lived next to us was a driver for Mitchells lorries next to the Argyle hotel by the pier.
The three ferries were owned by Fergusons and were named the Mary Rose, Margaret Rose and the Active. The active was an open launch and did the run to Gourock.
My cousin who lived in Kilmun, ran one of the ferries during the school holidays in the early 1950's.
The Marchioness of Lorne was our local paddle steamer.
Both my elder brother and sister went to the primary school in Strone.
I just had a look at my birth certificate and, guess what, it states that I was born where and when I said I was and was recorded by J Eaglesham in the district of Kilmun on March 16th 1942 -What a relief ! Your wisdom and perspicacity had me doubting myself !
You mean coming to Ayr in 1971, from Glasgow makes me an ex pat. You are quite deluded.
As to yapping at your ankles, NO, more like at your throat !
I notice that in the best troll position,you ignore requests for any information about yourself but expect it from others.
Now Mr Argie troll or fellow traveller, who and what are you ?
You seem to doubt others while hiding behind an alias.
Enlighten us.
143 GeoffWard2 (#) Jun 05th, 2013 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
Don't expect to be enlightened, Clyde.
You have given him what he wanted.
144 A_Voice (#) Jun 05th, 2013 - 10:26 pm Report abuse
Not at all I never expect personal info from anyone and I saw inconsistencies in your replies……you may have relatives from Strone and be living abroad and still be able to state all these facts………..but what you also know, is the replies I gave you are not available on the net and could only come from local knowledge, what would be the odds of me also having relatives in exactly the same location??
What does bother me is.
You having lived in Glasgow for 26 years and never heard of single fish meaning without chips……
Follow the link...
click on Fish Favourites…….do you see it?…..Supper……Single?
Means without chips.
There is no Cod it was fished to almost extinction…….So if you say fish you automatically get haddock. and so……”Fish Supper Please or Single Fish!!
How can you not know that?
Which leads me to the conclusion…….born Scotland…..moved away……Ex-Pat

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