Sunday, July 14th 2013 - 23:46 UTC

Where’s my pizza complain Argentines short of tomato and flour?

Argentines have been asked to eat fewer tomatoes. The government called on consumers on Friday to try to stay away from the beloved food for at least two months because of an expected shortage caused by seasonal reasons including crop rotations.

Government tells Argentines to stay away from expensive tomatoes and go after other fruits and vegetables

Officials say all other fruits and vegetables are available and at affordable prices, but Argentines feel frustrated because the tomato is a must in many of their dishes and is used in pizza toppings, sauces and salads. A stake with a salad of tomato and lettuce is staple dish in Argentina.

Argentine dishes, including pizza and pasta are strongly influenced by Italian cuisine and feature tomatoes. Officials have asked for an effort until September when a new harvest of the crop is expected.

“For seasonal reasons, involving crop rotations in the farms, the Central Market of Buenos Aires informs the public about a possible shortage of tomatoes,” read a statement from the government's Office of Domestic Commerce.

“For this reason, and for a period of approximately sixty days, we suggest the use of alternative products.” However, the government added that all other staple fruit and vegetables were available in “excellent” supply and prices.

The news comes as a further challenge to Argentine cooks and housewives that are still suffering from a flour shortage and higher bread prices that were triggered by one of the worst wheat harvests in Argentina's history and farmers’ refusal to sell their crops at bottom rock prices in effect.

Even when the crop was poor, official figures indicate it is more than enough for the domestic market, since exports have been closed. But given the taxes and levies enforced on grains, farmers will be receiving a dollar at approximately 3.50 Pesos, when the official rate is 5.40 Pesos and in the parallel market, in the range of 8 Pesos.
 

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1 Dave204 (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 01:15 am Report abuse
They're really blaming food shortages on “seasonal reasons” and “ crop rotations”? Wow.
2 Islander1 (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 03:52 am Report abuse
We have a winter down here when it is not possible (unless someone invested silly money in heating and artificial lights) - but - jesus- if they cannot grow enough Tomatoes in their northern provinces May- October to satisfy the country - they really are INCOMPETENT!
3 Anglotino (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 06:52 am Report abuse
STEAK not STAKE!

Either way I was laughing before the typo.

What an absolutely pathetically run country.
4 Ayayay (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 07:14 am Report abuse
Isn't the flour scarcity part because the gov increased taxes on wheat production? I still have, “barley soup, barley bread”,.in my head from YankeeBoy's comments months and months ago.
5 toxictaxitrader2 (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 07:59 am Report abuse
#Ayayay
Barley bread is very nice,barley broth was a stable to me growing up in Ireland and I still enjoy it.
And so much better for you!
6 willi1 (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 08:54 am Report abuse
ck should order the textile industry to manufacture hunger clothes for the people.
they last long and can feed herself as well as “the poor”.
7 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 09:30 am Report abuse
60 days...be patient 60 days........as they start planting somewhere where it is warm enough. No tomatos all because they refuse to import. This is only the beginning of shortages. They are many more to come.
8 lsolde (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 10:18 am Report abuse
The little yellow tomatoes are the easiest to grow.
And the bugs don't attack them.
9 CaptainSilver (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 10:28 am Report abuse
Can anyone name a shortage of anything in the UK - over to you Dunny Beggar, Marcos Fandango, Nostril and Stinking voice Dover?
10 Idlehands (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 10:33 am Report abuse
We have a dire shortage of senoritas samba dancing in bikinis. Other than that the occassional water shortage in the south is all I can think of.
11 Dave204 (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 11:10 am Report abuse
Well, since their bio fuel sales seem to be taking a hit, they could use the soy crops to make tofu and live off that.

@2
We have winter here too, believe it or not, never any shortages though...
12 Anglotino (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 11:28 am Report abuse
A command economy facing shortages.

And in related news, a bear shat in the woods!
13 agent999 (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 11:32 am Report abuse
Why does Argentina always blame everyone else for their problems?
It is never their own fault that anything goes wrong?

The list is endless - a list of a few of them:
USA, UK, EU, Falkland Islands
IMF, the world banking system, the vulture funds,
climate change, seasonal variation of the weather,
14 Idlehands (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 11:36 am Report abuse
So is the bottom line that they are too broke to import tomatoes?
15 Pete Bog (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 12:35 pm Report abuse
“Argentines feel frustrated because the tomato is a must in many of their dishes and is used in pizza toppings, sauces and salads. A stake with a salad of tomato and lettuce is staple dish in Argentina.”

Er you have good weather and you eat lots of tomatoes-and you don't grow enough?

Is there NO joined up thinking in Argentina?

Tip amigos, don't grow them at your Antarctic base-grow them near BA.

The Falkland Islanders grow excellent tomatoes, strawberries, lettuces, aubergines, peppers and a lot more besides-buy from your comrades on the Falklands, if you can't manage to do it.

Its Tigerella for me everytime-grown in horse muck derived soil watered in with comfrey water feed. That's a kinda peat to me' and its also good to get the tractor stuck in and extracted (yes folks I admit I do not always use a landy to go sh1tspinning *blushes*).
16 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 01:37 pm Report abuse
Grow them near BA? What is this person above me doing here? He does not even know that it actually freezes in BA throughout the winter... HOW THE FARK YOU GONNA GROW TOMATOES WHEN AT NIGHT IT FREEZES???

You really have to give it to the folk above me. Their unmitigated chutzpah to talk about a country they know NOTHING about (I mean if you don't even know it is winter in ARG, you deserve all the humiliation you can get), is illimitable.

What a novel concept, it's winter and tomatoes are more expensive... who would have thought it.

I see nothing unusual that some fruits and vegetables are not available in certain times of the year. But the anti-argie crowd would even blame the sunspots on Argentina, how obsessive.
17 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
It gets much colder where I live in Massachusetts....zero and colder.....-13c....yet we get fresh tomatos throughout the winter.........hydroponics and imports.....novel concepts in Argentina?
18 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 02:18 pm Report abuse
Why would we import tomatoes? Why would we import unneeded Apple iphones? We don't need to give our money to countries in Latin America, Europe, or North America who clearly by the way their citizens express themselves here detest us.

How about adapting to the seasons like all generations save yours and maybe your parents generation has had to do?

What a novel concept.
19 ElaineB (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 02:28 pm Report abuse
@18 You are missing the point. Argentines want tomatoes all year round and they could have them but for an incompetent government.

When I was in Mendoza earlier this year people were complaining that they could not use the iPhones they had because they could not get parts so had to revert to very basic phones available in Argentina.

You see, apart from you, Argentines want to develop and evolve. They want what is available to other countries. You are doing that egocentric thing again where you think everyone in Argentina thinks like you. You are an exception, TTT.

BTW You really do not write like an Argentine.
20 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 02:33 pm Report abuse
I also want to travel to Mars, Jupiter, and earn 100 bars of gold each year, without working, and I also want to have 10 different wines delivered to my door everyday, I want to learn 30 languages the next year and meet the tooth fairie...

You see Elaine, what people want and what is possible are two different things.

It is not possible to have tomatoes in winter. That's all there is to it. If people can't understand that, then I think we in Argentina have far bigger problems than CFK, inflation, or imports.
21 Idlehands (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 02:38 pm Report abuse
“Why would we import tomatoes”

...err to stop your population moaning that there is a tomato shortage.

I could understand that attitude with strawberries but tomatos are a staple food.

Maybe Spain should cancel this years Tomatina and make a charitable donation to their impoverished cousins across the Atlantic.
22 Baxter (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 02:42 pm Report abuse
What a surprise ! Only a few weeks ago Paraguay was flooded with Argentine tomatoes ! In such quantities that , to protect local producers , imports were prohibited . Could it be that the price here was higher than in Argentina ?
23 reality check (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 02:51 pm Report abuse
How's this for a compromise, they release the fishing vessel SERPICO in exchange for a huge consignment of tomatoes.

Everyone happy then, Pizza back on the menu.
24 Simon68 (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 03:11 pm Report abuse
A very strange situation this of tomatoes being unavailable!!!!

There were times between the late 1930's and the mid 1970's that there would be difficulties in getting tomatoes during the winter, but ever since the first appearance of the first supermarket in our town there has never been a lack of tomatoes!!!!!!!

This is another own goal by Mr. Moreno and his heterodox economists!!!!!!
25 Mastershake (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
LOL! Thanks for my daily comic relief, Argentina
26 reality check (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 03:26 pm Report abuse
This is serious, what are they going to pelt her with when the time comes?

I rather suspect Simons will still be in the tin!
27 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
#20 the difference with wanting to go to mars and wanting a tomato in the winter is that one is easily attainable and the other is not, for you anyway.
Though you are totally unaware of it, you are a total ass in your blind support of kirchner's incompetency in managing Argentina. How old are you? And yes it matters. I recall you referred to yourself as a teen......13....14? It would explain your lacking of what people in Argentina want.
Email me at m.cher1160@outlook.com so I can show you what people want..........assuming you are allowed to have an email address on your own
28 Condorito (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 04:43 pm Report abuse
Toby,
“It is not possible to have tomatoes in winter. That's all there is to it. If people can't understand that, then I think we in Argentina have far bigger problems than CFK, inflation, or imports.”

Yet over on this side of the Andes the markets are overflowing with locally grown tomatoes. Surely a miracle.
29 ChrisR (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
“A STAKE with a salad of tomato and lettuce is staple dish in Argentina.”

How very prescient of the author. At least it will go with the tree bark soup as predicted by Greek Yoghourt.
30 Briton (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
Aparently the truth is more sinister,

they are running out of toilet paper, and the sewers are backing up,
as they are using the newspapers instead...lol.
31 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 06:41 pm Report abuse
@28

You can't compare the volume of tomato sales in Chile vs Argentina, both due to sheer population to per capita use. It would be like saying “why is there no rice or flour tortilla shortages ever in Argentina, but yes in other parts of Latin America”.... maybe because tortilla and rice are a very minor part of the diet/??

@27

Excuse me poppy but YOU were the one (amongst others, both American and British), who talked about how today people want to by local. How that was so “advanced and first world”, vs shipping stuff across oceans.

Well, here we have a good example of buying local, which at times means not everything can be grown in the quantities needed, due to weather or season. And you and everyone else here are knocking it.

When your countries promote buying local, that's good (yes, I have read about that movement and guess what, it means EATING WHATS IN SEASON). When Argentina does it, it's communism.

You guys need to agree first on what you believe, then try to analyse what I believe.
32 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
People do want to buy local. However the government does not restrict an individuals right to make a choice between local, regional, country and imported by denying imports.
Do you not see the difference between promoting local but NOT stopping imports than stopping imports and FORCING to buy local? Freedom is about having a choice to choose between products.
33 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
Your government does not permit MANY products in the US, quite a few due to ideological or political reasons.

I see no difference in that sense.
34 Condorito (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
31 Toby,
At post 20 you seem to be implying that it is impossible to grow tomatoes in winter, which you now realize is completely incorrect.

At post 31 you now claim that the Argie shortage is due to higher per head consumption, again you are incorrect.

The simple reason our markets are overflowing is because we produce way more tomatoes than you do:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tomato_production

I await your next gross inaccuracy.
35 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 07:27 pm Report abuse
Over 20% of our GDP is imports that is a SHITLOAD......in % and raw numbers. Even your country imports 28 billion a year to the USA. Importing to another country is not a right but a privilege. On the overhand, it' is a right for the consumer to have a choice in what they can purchase and not be restricted my the government. Virtually every fruit, vegetable and meat in the USA has imports from multiple countries around the world. Of course politics are involved....that's a given. However, you still import 28 billion....you want to import more? Play nice in the international sandbox, pay your bills and stop screwing international businesses. Do you have trade myopia?
36 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
@34

It is impossible to grow tomatoes in the ARGENTINE winter, you have a drier, sunnier climate. That's why you produce more, simple as that.

Produce more, and have half the population, you have your answer. Your other insinuations are pure chilean jingoism towards Argentina.

@35

It is NOT a right for the consumer to have a choice in what ENTERS the country, that is the purview of the government. So you are completely wrong there.
37 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 07:52 pm Report abuse
In my free country is IS a right for me to have choices in buying anything. Choices is freedom, something you do not comprehend. You english is eluding you as well. I said:

“it' is a right for the consumer to have a choice in what they can purchase and not be restricted my the government.”

If your country paid it's debt and bill's, Argentina would not have to be scrounging for U$ to avoid the impending default that currently looms on the horizon. It's a pity that you do not believe that consumers have a right to choices. Again...you said you are in your teens......13 or 14....right?
38 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 08:01 pm Report abuse
“You english is eluding you as well.”
39 Condorito (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 08:01 pm Report abuse
36 Toby,
You are always telling us about the wonderful geographic and climatic diversity of your country but now Chile has a “a drier, sunnier climate” than Argentina, as if both countries had one climate each.

We have the driest conditions in the world in the north and the wettest in the world in the south. The handful of valleys that produce tomatoes represent a tiny amount of land.

If you can grow grapes you can grow tomatoes. Argentina has endless land for tomato production....and yes you can grow tomatoes in Argie winter.
40 Mendoza Canadian (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 08:12 pm Report abuse
” the government added that all other staple fruit and vegetables were available in “excellent” supply and prices...well that is never ever true here. The whole problem is government intervention in the private sector. And the government hates the farmers...simple as that. Remember the Cobos incident??
41 Conqueror (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
@20 Well, you've convinced me. “we in Argentina have far bigger problems than CFK, inflation, or imports.” Indeed you do. Rank stupidity seems to be at the top of the list. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato#Cultivation If you carefully read the section headed “Hydroponic and greenhouse cultivation”, you will see that there is a variety grown in SIBERIA.
@31 Ever heard of greenhouses? Looking at a map, it looks like lots of “green” land around Capilla del Senor. Close enough to be considered “local”? Looks like it's just the usual argie incompetence.
@36 Oh, blaming the “climate” now. Just to help you. Tomatoes are grown all year round in the UK. And it gets colder here!
42 Pete Bog (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
@36
“It is impossible to grow tomatoes in the ARGENTINE winter,”

No greenhouses, no hydroponics no night lighting?

“It is NOT a right for the consumer to have a choice in what ENTERS the country, that is the purview of the government. So you are completely wrong there.”
Back to Fascism are we?

Consumers have choice in the UK( and in the Falklands) of what is imported.

Of course greenhouses in the winter need heating and how silly of me, there's not enough heat for people in BA, never mind plants as you can't import the fuel fast enough, despite having huge reserves of your own.

Well I guess as you are in the stone age-do without tomatoes then.
43 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
Not really tobi, do not confuse typing abilities with comprehension. Back to the topic, or have you adjourned? You should ask mom for a passport and see the world before Argentina restricts travel.
SO hydroponic farming is too expensive for Argentina to give the citizens what they want.....tomatos?
44 bushpilot (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
I just wanted to ask, because winter comes every year to Argentina, this means that Argentines have always had tomato shortages in winter, right?

If they haven't had shortages in winters past, why should they have to “get used to it” now?
45 Islander1 (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
TTP- You say impossible to grow tomatoes in Argrentina in winter?
OK in Patagonia yes.

But in the north??? - have you never heard of greenhouses and HEATING?
Hell down here we grow them and have them ripe from Ocrober to end of May - and there is often snow on the ground in October and early November and also in May.
I would say, that with not much imagination you can grow tons of them north of BA easy in winter - more expensive with heating yes - hence the higher price - but at least you would ahve them in the shops!!
Plenty in Uruguay in winter - and you go further north than they do.
46 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 09:08 pm Report abuse
In the north you COULD grow tomatoes, but alas it is sparsely populated.

You could grow tomatoes in central Argentina but it is too RISKY!! To damp and cool... that kills the plants through fungus (ever seen how tomatoes so easily spoil... i guess most of you never worked in an actual farm)... or a sudden freeze of a few nights comes and they are well dead. Below zero degree freezes are common in winter, you know.

There are not enough greenhouses for the demand, which is quite high given the diet.

Simple answers, I don't understand why you people are making a tempest in a teapot.
47 bushpilot (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
So, there are tomato shortages every winter?
48 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
I don't know, I have never seen a tomato shortage, in fact in Mendoza there is none, and I have Carrefour Hiper, Walmart Supercenter, Jumbo, Makro, SuperVea, Atomo, and Disco ALL within 5 kilometers of me... one of the most densely supermarketed regions in Latin America in fact.
49 ChrisR (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 09:56 pm Report abuse
48 The Truth PaTroll

What! No Carrefour, no Devoto, no El Dorado, I don't know.
50 Condorito (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 10:29 pm Report abuse
Well we are being treated to a tour de force of Toby's ability to talk nonsense.

@20 we were told that one just can't get tomatoes in winter and anyone failing to understand that had problems....

then at @36 we are informed that you can't grow tomatoes specifically in Argentine winter.....

then @46 is seems that you COULD grow tomatoes in the north of Argentina, but the population is too sparse!?!? ... and you COULD grow tomatoes in central Argentina but it is too RISKY!!

Furthermore, @46 we are notified that contrary to the “fact” that you can't get tomatoes in winter (in Argentina), there is no shortage!!

Even more baffling is that in addition to the tomato shortage, there is a greenhouse shortage! Toby you do know that a greenhouse is a few sticks of timber and some polythene sheeting - even the poorest small-holdings farmers have them. If you can't throw together a few greenhouses, things must be much worse than reported.

This is most confusing, is there a shortage or isn't there?
Can you grow tomatoes in winter or can't you?

I really hope you don't work for the CFK propaganda machine.
51 Conqueror (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 11:01 pm Report abuse
@46 It's because you're a juvenile prick. Buenos Aires province is sparsely populated? Doesn't it have the “capital”? “Not enough greenhouses”? Then create more, thicko. Much as it pains, let's give you some clues. Steel (even fibreglass) frames, transparent PVC, groundsheets, heating, lighting. It's not difficult for someone with a brain. Are you waiting for the “government” to supply you with one, suitably adjusted? The argie brain. 1+1 = 3 (where's my profit?). One hundred billion minus 50 million = debt repaid. 649 killed, 1,657 wounded, 11,313 = a victory! Hang on, losing 1 cruiser, 1 submarine, 4 cargo vessels, 2 patrol boats, 1 spy trawler, 25 helicopters, 35 fighter aircraft, 2 bombers, 4 transports, 25 COIN aircraft and 9 armed trainers was another “victory”. When, if, you reach the age of 16, come back and talk to us again. No pint is “discussing” anything with a brain-dead member of the Kirchner Youth.
52 Islander1 (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 11:02 pm Report abuse
48- Maybe we had better send our tomato grower over there- he has 20C plus inside his greenhouse - twinwall polycarbonate sheeting cladding and heats it with waste old engine oil fired hotwater boilers while it is below zero outside.
Only thing that stops him from growing all winter is the cost of electric here for the artifical lighting I think.
53 Pirate Love (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 11:05 pm Report abuse
tomato and flour shortage? import them then, its not as if argentinas government have an import export ban in place.....oh wait they do.....never mind theres always boxed chocolates, yummy!
54 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 11:24 pm Report abuse
@5o

What you fail to understand, when someone speaks generalities to save time, is a far worse problem for you. You seem incapable to distinguish a general notion from a scientific notion.

You could say “well, Chile can't grow sugarcane”... well, actually you can, is it profitable to do so however? You know, that kind of context, Condorito. Maybe repeating 6th grade reading class will help (since @48 I clearly typed “in Mendoza” there is no shortage.. Mendoza is not all the country). Again, reading class, 6th grade, context. You can do it!
55 Condorito (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 11:48 pm Report abuse
Toby,
Don't get wound up. You should be happy that you learnt something today - tomatoes can be grown in winter.

Have the grace to admit when you don't know what you are talking about.
56 Anglotino (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 12:11 am Report abuse
Poor Nostrils! It's 2013 not 1813. A tomato shortage because of winter?

Can you still buy bananas in the shops? Or do you have to wait for summer for those too?

As Mendoza seems to never suffer any problems that afflict the rest of Argentina and there is therefore no tomato shortage there, if I was supplying tomatoes to shops in Mendoza then I would be diverting my deliveries to BsAs and making a larger profit.

7 supermarkets with 5 kms you say! Wow the choice. Makes the 30-40 that I have within 5 kms pale in comparison (if you use Argentine mathematics that is).

Nostrils you have no idea how a market economy works do you.
57 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 12:24 am Report abuse
Strawberries.....fresh freaking strawberries......I love them and we only have a two week window in late June and early July to go down to a farm stand and get fresh picked strawberries, or pick them yourself. The wonderful thing about 2013 is that even when the season passes there are still some very fresh strawberries shipped in year round. I could care less if they are shipped from California of imported from east fucky fuck.....I want my strawberries. I bet most Argentines want their tomatos..........but it's winter.
58 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 01:15 am Report abuse
@55

You are obfuscating as usual. The point is, not enough tomatoes can be grown in winter to cover demand.

I actually asked a question in two websites about fruit supplies, in two first world countries. In the first one (I ask in German), they said that they have no fruits such as papayas, mangoes, and pineapples readily avaliable, not just in their country but all over Europe, they are just very hard to get.

They are plentiful in Argentina... so that must make them backwards. Nothing to do with their latitude.

Second, I asked a question about fruit supplies in another country of North America where they speak English and they said it is very common to have periods of weeks in a particular supermarket without peaches, plums, certain types of citrus, etc.

So that must make them quite backwards there too.

@56

Lying is not your forte. I want you to PROVE you have 40 hypermarkets within 5 square kilometers of your location. 40 you said.

Don't take too long.
59 malen (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 01:25 am Report abuse
what lack of imagination!!!
If you dont have flour for the pizza, then make it with potato.
And if you lack tomato, then make it with...with...it has to be red, to make it the most similar as possible...put some red strawberry, er, no, better ají...and you wont notice the difference. We are so creative people.
I dont understand why prices are so high, everyday more high, you go to buy the same thing and the same quantity and misteriously it gets always a little high. And is not the gov that puts prices, are the evil commerciants and farmers and supermarketers and enterpreuners, everybody but not the gov, or it is a problem of the winter, eh.
60 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 01:46 am Report abuse
@59

Strawberries and tomatoes more expensive? It's called winter dear. That's all, it will pass. I promise.

A great light in the sky will steadily grow brighter, and little buy little stay longer hovering over us all, and then you will feel it's love run through your veins, and one day if you are not careful it's love will be so intense it may blaze red all over you.
61 Anglotino (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 02:40 am Report abuse
@58 Nostrils

“Lying is not your forte. I want you to PROVE you have 40 hypermarkets within 5 square kilometers of your location. 40 you said.

Don't take too long.”

While we still wait to find your forte, here's is a little light research!

First off, we don't have hypermarkets in Australia. Just supermarkets. I never claimed otherwise.

I live in postcode 3055. Within this postcode there are 4 Coles Supermarkets. Coles is just one of the supermarkets here.

Surrounding postcodes that fall within 5kms of my house are:
3044 (2)
3056 (4)
3039 (1)
3058 (5)
3054 (2)
3053 (2)
3051 (2)
3031 (2)
Plus more.

The numbers in brackets are the number of Coles supermarkets within 5 kms of my house.

24!

Then there's Aldi, Woolworths, IGA. Not to mention the independent ones.

Let's not forget the Footscray Market or the Queen Victoria Market. Straight from the farm gate with those ones. And even Costco makes it just on the very edge of 5km.

I snort in derision at your “one of the most densely supermarketed regions in Latin America” - it's positively pathetic compared to the options I have available.

Oh and not a single food shortage here. Flour, tomatoes or whatever else comes along next.

Even in the middle of winter I can still source any common fruit or vegetable. And nearly 100% from my own country. My flatmate can even get Australian grown Tamarillos and Yuca even so far from Colombia.
62 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 02:50 am Report abuse
Really, you want to get into such a pathetic argument?

Ok, 5 kilometers around, actually, living in Dorrego, that would cover half of downtown Mendoza, a part of Godoy Cruz, and a sliver of Villa nueva. I can assure between all those three there are at least 20 supermarkets and probably 30, since the city entirely has 150.

Then there is the matter of population density, I have no idea what city you live in, but if you live in Sydney or Melbourne, you can't compare a city of several million with one that is barely one million.

Anyway... I really could care less because I don't have a penis complex about this. I'm sure you may have more supermarkets around you, but the difference is nothing what you imagine it is.

As for the produce...

Ok, so Chile, Australia, the UK and the USA have all fruits available all year round. We don't. POINT??
63 Anglotino (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 04:35 am Report abuse
“We don't. POINT??”

That you live in a country that is pathetically run!

Thought that point was obvious.
64 LEPRecon (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 06:14 am Report abuse
@62 Tobias

The POINT is that you used to be able to get tomatoes all year round, so what has changed? If this was a annual occurrence it wouldn't be news, so something has changed that means Argentina hasn't got enough to satisfy domestic demand.

So one of the following scenarios must've occurred:

1. there has been crop failures
2. not enough planted in the 1st place
3. too much produce exported
4. no money to import produce
5. Or a combination of these factors

Also, it doesn't matter how many supermarkets you have if they haven't got the produce to sell to the people.
65 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 09:29 am Report abuse
Tobi....being a child you probably to realize that Argentina has had tomatos year round in the past. What has changed that that cannot have them year round? A. Lack of technology? B. Lack of Funds? C. Outlawing of imports (and U$) or D. all of the above?
66 malen (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 01:52 pm Report abuse
“A great light in the sky will steadily grow brighter, and little buy little stay longer hovering over us all, and then you will feel it's love run through your veins, and one day if you are not careful it's love will be so intense it may blaze red all over you.”Jaaajajajaj, so poetic.
We have always had tomatoes at every time of the year, It must be sth else now.
67 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 02:01 pm Report abuse
Ok 63-68, Economics podcast of the day:

How did Argentina have tomatoes all year round in the 1990s, how did it have so many more other strange foreign foods, how did it have all sorts of computers, cars, and top-of-the-line clothing brands available?

DEBT.

You see folks, its easy to say “import tomatoes, import apple computer parts, import mercedes cars, import Louis Vuitton, and all the other ones that have closed in Argentina”...

Import, import. import. You people think the ones that send us that do it as a favor?

Maybe they want to be paid.

If Argentina does not balance exports with imports, then it must take on debt (personal or sovereign) to make up the gap in the trade deficit.

So now you are all advocating Argentina take on debt, just so that there are 'tomatoes all year round'.

Why do you think the USA is in such trouble? Endless trade deficits plus fiscal ones.

So we had it all in the 1990s, and then the money ran out.

I think eating fewer pizzas in winter is a small price to pay to avoid billions in new debt, and to become beholden to Europe, USA, and China.
68 Chicureo (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
We ACTUALLY have a problem getting good tomatoes at times during the winter here in Chile and have to resort to using those hothouse Rocky branded imitations which sell for around USD 1.50 a kilo. Believe me, it is a hardship for us and I believe that there have been street riots here over the lack of decent good tasting tomatoes.
69 malen (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
“I think eating fewer pizzas in winter is a small price to pay to avoid billions in new debt, and to become beholden to Europe, USA, and China.”
jajajajaja
We didnt import tomato years ago, it grows in the north of our country in winter. It is more expensive then, due to transport and all adicionals, but more expensive because of inflation, sth you dont take in to account.
Because there is inflation, you know that if you go to so many supermarkets you must watch the prices when you buy.
70 Mr Ed (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
@2 This is not incompetence, but government messing things about, the first 13 words tell you all 'Officials say all other fruits and vegetables are available and at affordable prices, '.

It takes a government or thieves (I repeat myself) to make it impossible for people to grow enough food in a place like Argentina, just as Stalin did, on a larger and horrifically murderous scale in the Ukraine. 1,000,000 square miles, and in all that room, no space for the incentive and the means to grow tomatoes.
71 ElaineB (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 02:49 pm Report abuse
There was an interesting article in La Tercera yesterday comparing the prices of a variety of food in supermarkets in New York, London, Madrid and Buenos Aires. The prices were quoted in dollars and every item was more expensive in Buenos Aires.

TTT I know you have spoken out about CFKs government calling them 'corrupt and paranoid'. Your country's incompetent government has ruined your economy. If you genuinely feel the need to defend Argentina - though I suspect you just love to argue black is white - you would be defending the masses against the Kirchner oligarchy.
72 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
Balance of trade deficits is not a debt nor is it bad. If imports exceed exports, it means that private enterprise have purchased goods to resell to the demand. When a consumer gets a prescription from an imported medication, does he/she take on debt to buy it? Please explain how people go into debt for purchasing imported tomatos? All trade surpluses and deficits mean is that currencies are moving internationally. Argentina NEEDS to manage a surplus to acquire U$ because they cannot borrow money because they defaulted on a legally signed contract to pay back the money they previously borrowed.
You want you country NOT to import tomatos yet you want to USA to import your tainted lemons and questionable beef......why?
73 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 03:42 pm Report abuse
Foreign tomatoes are highly toxic.

Potatoes, tomatoes, citrus and pineapple are the worst fruits to import because they are highly absorbent of their environment.

”Argentina NEEDS to manage a surplus to acquire U$ because they cannot borrow money because they defaulted on a legally signed contract to pay back the money they previously borrowed.

Wait... didn't you make my point? If you import more than you export, you have to pay the difference by borrowing, somehow.

Like I said, I'll wait to eat a pizza till september, than give the next generation another mountain of debt.
74 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 04:32 pm Report abuse
If I am a business and I sell cloths and buy half from within the USA and half from imports.....I have to pay for all the goods that I sell regardless of who I purchase them from. Why do you think I do not acquire debt from buying the clothes to resell from within the USA but I need to take on debt to buy the imported clothes tobi? Would you explain that to me?
75 Condorito (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
73 Toby,
“If you import more than you export, you have to pay the difference by borrowing, somehow. ”

No you don't.
Inward foreign investment offsets a country's trade deficit.

That is two things you have learnt on this thread:

1) Tomatoes grow in winter; and
2) Inward foreign investment offsets trade deficit.

Always happy to help.
76 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 08:00 pm Report abuse
Condo.....I do not think he understand that a trade deficit is not a debt and a shift of currency (wealth) from one economy to another. And, as you stated is offset with DFI.......of which Argentina has neither imports or DFI. Of course they are believing that they can generate wealth just by exporting, or at the least financing spending via trade surpluses. YFP and Aerolinas are their 800 gorilla.
77 MagnusMaster (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 08:55 pm Report abuse
@75 Peronists reject the idea of foreign investment because since they want to make a profit they will always take more money than they get in (unless they produce and export to other countries, in this case money get in due to exports). In fact, Peronists think foreign investment and trade is merely a form of exploitation between countries which replaced colonialism. They tolerate it only because it's the way the globalized capitalism works. But what Kirchner and the Peronists want to to generate wealth through exports to other countries and to let only foreign investment that exports more than what the corporations pay for imports and take as profits (with exceptions, as usual).
78 ChrisR (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
77 MagnusMaster

Yes, but then the country is in the ludicrous position of their athletes wanting to take part in the Olympics needing to export something (don't know what that would be) to a value in excess of the equipment they need to import to train with.

Can't you see how laughable your country has become to the world because of this mad women and Pistol Pete Moreno who thought it up?
79 MagnusMaster (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
You think I don't know how messed up we are? But what are we gonna do? The people aren't going to kick her out, the last thing they want is another interruption of the democratic process, and there aren't much better politicians anyway. And of course, we don't have much money, what the Kirchner stole is gone, so we have to work with what we got.
80 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 17th, 2013 - 03:00 am Report abuse
What I've learned today is that you could export 10 widgets, import 1.000.000.000.000, and that does not affect the health of an economy.

Good to know.

Inward foreign investment, that's farcical. In the 1990s there was a government UBER pro IFI, and all the foreigners did is buy all argentine companeies, shut them down, and move them to Brazil, China, and all their profits to Europe and the USA.

Then you wonder why in the 1990s Argentina”s unemployment tripled and debt tripled.
81 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 17th, 2013 - 09:15 am Report abuse
Poor tobi.....the light never shines on him. Are you going to fill us in on how debt happens from importing?
82 Anglotino (#) Jul 17th, 2013 - 11:33 am Report abuse
God Nostrils you have no economic knowledge whatsoever!

Hard to believe that Australia and Argentina once were equals with the same standard of living.

Argentina has:
Twice our population.
Twice our government debt.
One quarter our economy.
Ten times our inflation rate.
Higher budget deficit.
Higher interest rates.
Higher unemployment.

But wow you export more than you import! It seems to be working so well for you.

Thank God we never had a Peron and thank God we have never had a Cristina.
83 yankeeboy (#) Jul 17th, 2013 - 11:59 am Report abuse
It is clear our little Toby has never ever had an economics class. I bet he had a Marxist Philosophy class though.

It is truly comical that he can go on and on about how the Rg way is better than all the top countries in the world and it never seems to sink in that every year Rgs get poorer and dumber. Year after year, generation after generation, the fastest country MOVING DOWN IN THE WORLD”S GDP Ranking.
It will never sink in
His ilk is reason they'll be looking up to the rich country of Paraguay in the next generation.
84 Mr Ed (#) Jul 17th, 2013 - 03:07 pm Report abuse
Of course, none of this matters to true Argentines, pizza is a dish brought over by an 'implanted' population.
85 Condorito (#) Jul 17th, 2013 - 03:15 pm Report abuse
Toby,
“Inward foreign investment, that's farcical”

What is farcical is that you believe investment caused Argentina's economic collapse. Chile received similar investment in the 90s and continues to do so, yet no collapse.

Let me help you using the article as a frame of reference:

Investment is to Economy as Greenhouse is to Tomato.
86 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 17th, 2013 - 04:14 pm Report abuse
Yankee of course he had a marxist class, he's a tween and a product of Argentine public education......brought to you by...“la campora”.

Condo......analogies with that level of clarity will make tobi's head explode like an over filled zit.
87 yankeeboy (#) Jul 17th, 2013 - 04:30 pm Report abuse
The sure-fire way to ensure food is made at the lowest possible price is for government to intervene less, not more. The Fraser Institute’s Economic Freedom of the World Index shows the most prosperous, peaceful nations are those that honor economic freedom. Argentina is blessed with an abundance of natural riches yet the people are denied prosperity because the nation’s ruling elites withhold liberty and deny opportunity.
Argentina traded this heritage for an embrace of socialism. At the turn of the 20th century Argentina was one of the 10 wealthiest nations in the world. Now the World Bank ranks it No. 62. To recover, Argentina’s elites must put less faith in themselves and more trust in the free market, with confidence that the people are capable of taking care of themselves. Until then, the price of a loaf of bread will be the least of Argentina’s problems.

Read more: www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/16/argentinas-flour-folly/#ixzz2ZJy4d2c9
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88 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 17th, 2013 - 05:01 pm Report abuse
Damn Yankee....did you see her neck in that photo? I seen less craks and wrinkles in an aerial shot and the San Andreas Fault!
89 Clyde15 (#) Jul 17th, 2013 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
I had a look in my local Sainsbury's today. Tomatoes are in plentiful supply with several varieties - mainly from Spain.
Mangos are plentiful all year with Brazil one of the main suppliers. Papayas are a bit more seasonal but available.
Strawberries have had a bumper crop and are quite cheap. Raspberries are now coming into season.
Apples,oranges and pears are in good supply all year round.
It's like a roll call for the U.N. to see the countries they come from. Peaches and apricots are appearing from Italy and Turkey. My compliments to the Chilean grape growers. We have just demolished a punnet of delicious red grapes.
If this country can supply its population, why can't Argentina ?
Surely you must have any amount of land in the warmer areas that could produce year round crops ?
90 Dany Berger (#) Jul 18th, 2013 - 12:31 pm Report abuse
For a nation that is strenuously working to remove industrialization from their model and moving to an agrarian based economy, someone needs to inform these bozos that they need to at least feed their own people's demands for produce before they put all their Argentine's in black pajama's working the fields to sell the world their trash. What turnips!!
91 Mendoza Canadian (#) Jul 18th, 2013 - 02:49 pm Report abuse
Tomatoes are now at over $3 US per kilo....
92 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 18th, 2013 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
depends on the “type” of tomato. I know people in Argentina always looked puzzled at me when I asked ....what kind of tomato? lol
BTW.....we buy tomatos by the pound not the kilo.....2.2 pounds is a lot of tomatos. So $1.37 a pounf expensive? Farmers markets in the summer is the best places to get fresh produce
93 Dany Berger (#) Jul 19th, 2013 - 01:41 pm Report abuse
Stupid fecking people.....WHO CARES ABOUT TOMATO'S!!!!!!!!!!!????????
Man up!
94 Mr Ed (#) Jul 19th, 2013 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
@ 93. The 'Stupid fecking people' who are the Argentine government clearly care about tomatoes, they are precious, and as Lenin said about liberty, so precious that rationing is required.
95 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 02:41 pm Report abuse
Ohhhh Tobi.........we are all still waiting.....did you run and hide under yo momma's skirt?

Slurp...slurp........that lovely lactatious motherly juice.....always comforting isn't it?

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