Tuesday, September 3rd 2013 - 23:35 UTC

Cristina Fernandez flies to G-20 in Russia on Tango 01, but changes aircraft in Morocco

Argentine President Cristina Fernández left on Tuesday for Russia to attend the G20 summit to begin next Thursday at the Constantine Palace in Saint Petersburg. The president flew on her office’s Tango 01 to Morocco where she changed aircraft to avoid any possible injunction from hedge funds on the presidential transport.

The Argentine president can be expected ‘to lecture’ Europe how to put the economy on track and create jobs

Foreign Minister, Héctor Timerman; Ministers of Economy and Labour, Hernán Lorenzino and Carlos Tomada; Secretary of Public Communications, Alfredo Scoccimarro and the Argentine Ambassador to the United States, Cecilia Nahón, are part of the Argentine delegation.

Although host President Vladimir Putin has insisted that the G20 summit will concentrate on economic issues it is understood that the Syrian situation will be on the table. Since both Russia and Argentina, that during August chaired the UN Security Council, oppose any military intervention in the civil-war-torn country, Cristina Fernandez can be expected to address the issue both in informal and formal discussions.

Among the economic issues shared by several G20 members particularly emerging economies, Argentina and Brazil, is the “volatility of financial markets and the dollar evolution” following on the Federal Reserve growing consensus that the time has come to stop with the liquidity stimuli of the US economy thus threatening a massive outflow of capital from emerging economies looking for more profitable investments.

In effect the ‘dollar flood’ looked for higher yields in countries such as Brazil, India, Indonesia and East Europe, but the mere announcement that the US will be limiting stimuli has made currencies such as the Brazilian Real to weaken and capitals have started to move out.

The G-20 played a key role in the 2008/09 crisis and has as its mandate to establish a mechanism for international economic coordination. The official agenda for this coming meeting is the recovery of employment and growth, which are of special interest for the European Union. It would come as no surprise if Cristina Fernandez lectures the EU on the ‘Kirchnerite model’ and her ‘industrialization policy’, which could help explain why the delegation includes besides the Economy minister, Labour Minister Carlos Tomada.

Informally Cristina Fernandez could be asked by her colleagues from Australia and Canada to explain her recent statements underlining that the macroeconomic data of Argentina was sounder and more impressive than that of precisely Australia and Canada, two countries where per capita income is several times higher, inflation is below 3% and crime and corruption are but a mere breeze compared to the South American blizzard.

The Argentine presidential office did not inform of any scheduled bilateral meeting with any of the heads of state attending St Petersburg, but it wouldn’t come as a surprise if there is some reproach attitude towards UK PM David Cameron referred to the lack of dialogue on the Falklands/Malvinas dispute. This could be consistent with her recent presentation at the Security Council when Argentina took the chair and the current mid-term elections campaign that is not showing positive for Cristina Fernandez. The latest attack on Lan Chile and Chilean president Sebastian Piñera is a clear example.
 

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1 Casper (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 12:15 am Report abuse
Tango in the night! I would be surprised if the leaders of Canada and Australia even deigned to talk to her.
2 Anglotino (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 12:37 am Report abuse
Australia's Prime Minister will not be there as we have an election this Saturday.

The woman is clearly deranged if she thinks that Argentina is doing better than Australia who will soon start its 22 year of continuous economic growth.

I'm still waiting for a metric on which Argentina is considered better than Australia!
3 GFace (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 01:01 am Report abuse
@2. I'm sure INDEC wil be happy to oblige you with the numbers!
4 Anglotino (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 01:13 am Report abuse
GFace

We don't stand a chance against INDEC. They'll have Australia looking like Zimbabwe so fast that most Australians won't know what hit them.
5 MrFlagpole (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 02:23 am Report abuse
Why don't they just sell it?

They can't use it. And they still have to pay for other transport. They may as well sell it for hard currency. Very few countries have a plane just for their President. It's ridiculous that some tin pot loser third world country thinks it should be one of them.
6 Redrow (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 02:39 am Report abuse
I wonder will all the other 19 countries get thanked afterwards for their support over Las Malvinas?
7 Casper (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 02:43 am Report abuse
@5 MrFlagpole

Can you imagine the headlines if they did sell Tango1? They won't sell, the humiliation would be unbearable.
8 stick up your junta (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 03:24 am
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9 Orbit (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 03:31 am Report abuse
“It would come as no surprise if Cristina Fernandez lectures the EU on the ‘Kirchnerite model’ and her ‘industrialization policy’”, however, the views on the matter of the man who serves the coffee will be taken more seriously.
10 RedBaron (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 03:34 am Report abuse
@6 Redrow- you mean the other 18, because the UK is one of the G20?
@ 5 + 7 - As far as Tango01 is concerned, it must be a real pain to be told that you can't fly where and when you want and that a journey has to be broken in a place like Morocco (no disrespect) and continued with a regular charter or airline. Tango -o1 is a 21 year old B757 (with Rolls Royce RB211 engines - oh the irony!), so it is doubtful they would get more than $ 7-10m - there are newer aircraft in the Arizona desert awaiting the scrapper and this one (albeit with low hours) had an accident and is fitted in VIP mode, so a lot of work would be needed.
11 Redrow (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 04:42 am Report abuse
@10
Sorry, Yes I was being ironic (or maybe sarcastic).
They claim the full support of all multinational meetings they attend, the joke was that they do it here also and accidentally claim the UKs support too. Not so funny when you explain it.....
12 Kirk Nelson (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 06:01 am Report abuse
Let us be realistics. The president of Argentina plays small role in the G-20 countries, therefore, she can never lecture about good prospects in macro economics and much worse about foreign cash flow currency.
Argentina's debt old due debt to its bond holders is 1. 3 Billion USD , plus Argentina unsuccecssful control of USD currency leaving the country are indicators that its national bank reserve is smaller , in fact, if Argentina keeps the same path of currency lose, its national reserve will not last more than 35 years, considering that its USD lose is about 1.1 Billion per month.
Bla, bla, bla is not suficient, macro facts are the best indicators of a country solvency adding to it the quality life, so how it is possible that an Argentina woman gave away her daughter for a refrigerator?
Agentina is not a good economic model nor a good sample to create jobs for its own people, so what kind of lecture can she offer to the EU countries?
Falklands? Please, let us be realistics, it is nothing to chat about anymore. Argentina must move ahead without looking the past.
Did not the referendum speaks for itself ?

Kirk Nelson,
New York, NY, USA
13 Martin Woodhead (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 06:06 am Report abuse
Oh well when the oil momey starts flowing the FIG might buy it as a trophy.
Tasteless maybe but look at dubai:)
14 Pete Bog (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 06:09 am Report abuse
Tango 1 in Morrocco eh?

Does this include a deal in which Argentina asks Spain to hand over its enclaves in Morrocco?
15 Mendoza Canadian (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 06:17 am Report abuse
Sell Tango? What would she transport her money in when she goes to hide it??
16 Rufus (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 06:44 am Report abuse
@5 MrFlagpole

You'd be surprised at how many countries actually do have a presidential plane. What appears to be unusual is that it's a full-on intercontinental airliner.

Most other places (including the UK) tend to charter planes for international trips and have a relatively small fleet of regional airliner and business jets for shipping VIPs around.

See here for more: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_transports_of_Heads_of_State
17 alsy (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 06:45 am Report abuse
Argentina at the G20 .... Is there some kind of qualifying round, like the finalists from G100 to G21 ?
18 Ira Curtis (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 07:16 am Report abuse
Hey Sinner woman, Where you gonna run to? all on that day? etc...
That's when one is running away from his creditors.
19 toooldtodieyoung (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 07:19 am Report abuse
17 alsy

“Argentina at the G20 ”

I know, I know.... There goes the neigbourhood..... maybe they are so desperate for members they just let anyone in these days.....
20 malicious bloke (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 07:39 am Report abuse
@17 The G20 apparently selects its major economies by region. Currently south/central america is represented by Brazil, Mexico and Arg. There is the possibility that once Colombia's economy overtakes Arg (apparently it already has by some measures) they'll be replaced.
21 ElaineB (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 08:01 am Report abuse
One of the main reasons Argentina was invited to join the G20 was BECAUSE it is a 'problem country' with huge debts. The idea being to bring it to the adults table to try to get the government to look outwards and at the bigger picture, rather than being entirely focused inward and short-term. In signing up to the club, the Argentine government agreed to many terms and conditions that they have ignored. It was a bold but failed idea to include them.

On the plus-side Argentina is generally marginalised at the meetings and even though CFK is prone to ramble on twice as long as any other leader, no one listens. It does afford the opportunity for other leaders to confront CFK when she would prefer to hide away tweeting her random insults and not face them She would be better off staying home but she cannot resist a photo op. where she can be seen with the big players in the league.

Her consistent bad behaviour at home and at the meetings has reduced her to the dotty aunt one has to invite to family occasions but no one wants to talk to.

That including Argentina has not worked will not likely lead to suspension. (I am not even sure they can do that). I guess they could always reform again as the G19 and leave out Argentina without explanation.
22 Conqueror (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 08:30 am Report abuse
@10 19. Spain keeps taking part, even though it isn't a member. First order of business - drop-kick Spain out of the door. Second order - drop-kick argieland out of the door. CFK doesn't have an “economy”. She has a pile of shit. Why is the Tomato going? It's not as though argies know anything about “labour”. First thing in the morning for argies (about 11 am) “Up down, up down, up down” and seventeen more times. Then the other eyelid.
@12 Argieland is only “in” G20 because the real members thought it would be an idea to have a representative “poor” country. One quick look at the statistics shows that argieland cannot qualify as being amongst the 20 “richest” nations. CFK should be put in her place. Serving the drinks, polishing the shoes and then “How do you feel about the measures we intend, fag end?”
23 pgerman (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 08:38 am Report abuse
@21

The formal birth date of the G20 goes back to G7 summit in Cologne during 1999. There were announced, following the approved creation of a Financial Stability Forum and the Monetary and Financial Committee (IMFC) of the IMF. It was created to establish an informal mechanism for regular dialogue between important countries (or considered so at that time).

China had a privileged place and during this process there was never been any serious consideration to exclude it from the new group. There was a great discussion on the number of members and some lists excluded Australia, Korea, Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

Argentina acceded to the Group of 20 in a position quite different from today: the country was quite appealing to foreign investments and the international debt was under control and was timely honored.

The relationship between the UK and Argentina were quite friendly (at that time) but not any real progress were made regarding the FI.

For some reasons both nations, the UK and Argentina, squandered that opportunity.
24 ElaineB (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 08:39 am Report abuse
@20 Mexico is admitted as part of North America.

The stats. do indeed show Argentina to be the worst qualified country to be included but imagine if they ever elected a decent government? They have the potential to justify their inclusion. Nah, unlikely. Shame.
25 GFace (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 08:52 am Report abuse
21, well that's the price of enablement. Did anyone TELL Argentina and CFK that that was why she was there? Job Shadowing. Internship. Apparently not. So we now have an eternal teenager at the table who thinks she's too smart to study, and therefore, too dumb to learn.
26 yankeeboy (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 08:57 am Report abuse
I'm sure the USA is waiting for the IMF to suspend Arg before they get kicked out of G20 and the rest of the world's financial community.
Once they are gone they won't get back in.
Arg is on the path to Bolivia, pretty soon Rgs will be going Paraguay to get jobs.
27 ChrisR (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 08:58 am Report abuse
Just a question: has ANYTHING good ever come out of the G20?

Has any topic EVER been resolved by the G20?

I have never took too much notice of these heads of state talking shops but I cannot think of anything that has.
28 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 09:32 am Report abuse
Cristina arrived in Saint Petersburg in the Tango 01, she didn't change aircraft. Here's the video www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrPjZtDOFIk
29 ElaineB (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 09:40 am Report abuse
@27 I think it is better to be talking and meeting than not. I think they have succeeded in working together in times of financial crisis. I don't think we should underestimate what really goes on behind closed doors at these meetings. The photos and front of house stuff is just window dressing.

@25 Whilst the G20 was formed to discuss international financial growth, development and reform, CFK seems to believe it is all about her. Some kind of platform for her to whine about the world being horrid to Argentina and not giving her what she wants, the Falklands, just because she wants it. I don't actually think she is capable of grasping any economics beyond 'one for you, ten for me' when handling the money belonging to the Argentine people.
30 manchesterlad (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 09:57 am Report abuse
Can't believe that Argentina are still invited to the G20 meetings, CFK's policies of import controls, currency controls & protectionism are totally against the principles of 'cooperation and consultation on matters pertaining to the international financial system' of the G20

Also most of the G20 countries have complaints against Argentina in some form or other so maybe it's time to kick the 'vagabundos' out!!!
31 GFace (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 10:23 am Report abuse
@28 “Whilst the G20 was formed to discuss international financial growth, development and reform, CFK seems to believe it is all about her.”

Uh, Elaine... that would be because she things everything is about her.
32 ElaineB (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 10:58 am Report abuse
The complaints at the G20 about Argentina have varied from major 'not producing any accurate financial data' to minor 'rudeness in turning up late for everything'. But I am not sure there is the facility to suspend anyone from the G20. It is more of an informal club. They could just agree to reform without Argentina but for now they are stuck with the irritating child trying to distract the adults from working.

@30 Well, yes. She is a classic example of a narcissist.
33 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 11:03 am Report abuse
@30- If after massacreeing thousands of people in Africa, Middle East and Asia, and around the world with wars and chemicals, countries like the UK and the USA are still invited, why wouldn't we be invited? And if countries like the USA with external debt in trillions that they can not pay, and will not pay, are still invited, why we wouldn't we be invited?
34 Brit Bob (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 11:13 am Report abuse
A so-called G20 leader that is unable to fly the presidential plane to a destination because of fear of it being seized because of a failure to pay a debt.

Just like a comedy script out of Fools and Horses. Perhaps she should arrive in a Reliant Robin.
35 FI_Frost (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 11:18 am Report abuse
My, 30+ posts and not a single RG troll has dared to show up on here yet.

Oh, the humiliation and embarrassment of it all. Her Excellency, Head of State of the Argentine Republic has to skulk out of the country on Tango1 via an obscure flight plan so she can stay one step ahead of the Repo Man.

What a Micky Mouse, banana nation Argentina has become. Utterly shameless - but all rather funny.
36 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 11:21 am Report abuse
@ 35 Here here, hola hola, aquí aquí.
37 ElaineB (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 11:43 am Report abuse
Apparently CFK has announced she intends to denounce 'vulture funds' at the G20 because they are an annoying inconvenience to countries 'on the brink of default'. (And you can't fly your presidential plane where you want to). At least she admits Argentina is on the brink of a default.

This issue is not on the official agenda but when has that stopped CFK trying to make the summit all about her?

I guess it gives the heads up to everyone so they can suddenly be busy when she approaches them.
38 screenname (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 11:57 am Report abuse
Why does she even attend these things? Is she invited? Does she just tag along to wipe Dilma's arse? It's hard to believe these busy leaders have any spare time to listen to the old loon.
39 Brit Bob (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 12:04 pm Report abuse
Cristina is going mad - official:

www.buenosairesherald.com/article/139921/eduado-duhalde-%E2%80%98cfk-has-a-psychological-problem%E2%80%99
40 rupertbrooks0 (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 01:20 pm Report abuse
It is a little odd that Argentina is a member of the G20, which consists of the EU plus 19 of the worlds largest economies. There are a number of other countries which are not members but whose economies are larger than Argentina's including: Switzerland (whose traditional isolationist neutrality probably precludes membership), Sweden, Belgium, Norway, Poland and Austria. Europe is however hardly under represented and there is the EU to represent them. Fair play that Two South American countries are invited to join. It's just a shame that the second South American slot goes to Argentina rather than Chile or rising star Columbia. Membership of the G20 for these more mature political and diplomatic cultures would benefit not only themselves but also their G20 partners.

I do have the strong impression that Argentina is pretty much sidelined at these meetings. Furthermore Kirchner is one of the few delegates not to be able to speak English, which is a handicap at the informal meetings which take place away from the conference hall.
41 cornishair (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 01:41 pm Report abuse
Has anyone seen that Argentinian site about a million signatures for the UN and Malvinas.

Malvinas. Cruzada de los Pueblos por Malvinas

Found it on facebook :) thought i'd ask some questions about there plan for the UN. hohoho hehehe hahaha
42 GFace (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 02:02 pm Report abuse
@31, Yeah, Corn, That sounds about as legitimate as 70 millions Germans trying to get more signatures than 4 million Danes as to who should run Denmark.

They REALLY just DON'T get it. Clueless. Irredeemable. Fascists.
43 cornishair (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
42. Gface. Yea i know its funny as! :) good place to ask a load of questions like:

why the falkland islanders don't have the right to self-determantion? etc etc

I just think Argentinians, just don't get it!
44 GFace (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 02:32 pm Report abuse
@43 on another thread we have gonzo here telling the oft-refuted lie about the UN rejecting the right of self-dgermination of the islanders when Argentina and Spain's attempts to de“peoplize”/dehumanize them was voted down by the GA. They either know it's a lie and think the world too stupid to “JGFI” or they are so marinated from childhood in their fascist indoctrination on the subject that they have no idea to that it's a lie and have no curiosity look it up themselves.
45 ElaineB (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 02:42 pm Report abuse
@40. The member are deliberately chosen to represent the whole world. Brazil and Argentina represent South America. Brazil for obvious reasons and Argentina for mixed reasons, partly to try to bring it into line and partly because of its potential.

A lot of Argentina's problems have escalated recently. I am no supporter of Nestor but since CFK has led without his control the country has deteriorated rapidly. I am certain he knew she was unfit to rule unchained.
46 Briton (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 04:40 pm Report abuse
You can just imagine it,
During the meeting between the US president and the Russian leader,
CFK pops in and, oh sorry, could we talk about the Falkland’s, or are you busy,

Mmmm will try next door, the French look more reptive ..lol

If she did not think she was guilty or responsible, she would fly tango one all the way to Russia,
She knows they are guilty, and she shames Argentina….

Ah, Mr Camaron you seem lonely, no one to talk to,
Would you like to discuss our sovereignty now ??
@fseytvn@@
Ok, I will try someone else to talk to, Syria perhaps.
[still, you have to admire her ]
And lastly I would to thank the G20 members for their support over the Malvinas,

lololol

.
47 axel arg (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
THE RED CIRCLE.
It's well known that different euphemisms are usually used to call the economic power in all the countries, in fact, conservative intendant from buenos aires city, mauricio macri indicated last week that there is a group called red circle, joined by influential people, who meet with the purpose of creating a political alternative which can win kirchnerism.
If there is something that i praise of the last ten years, is the fact that the true powers of the country, which have always rulled argentina from the shadows, were unveiled more than ever.
In a context like the actual one, where lies and mediatic operations are more active than ever by corporate press, and it's political partners, it's necesary to date the following extract of an academic work, which refers to the results of the parliamentary elections of 2009 and 2013, made by Professor Javier Zelanznik from the political science and international studies appartment at the Torcuato Di Tella University, his work was published on august 18th of 2013 in www.pagina12.com.ar by Horacio Verbitszky.
The work is contundent, because it destroys any kind of mischievous lecture published in press.
Although some people hate hearing this, like them or not, even after 10 years of rulling the country, f. p. v., is still the most voted political party from argentina.
Unfortunatelly some people dont realise that they are commiting the same stupid mistake than after the defeat of 2009, when many detractors started to talk about the so called end of cycle of kirchnerism, however, 2 years later reality was very sad for the wishes of those people.

Results of legislative election of 2009.
F. p. v and it's allies: 30,3.
E. p. c. s: 30,2.
Pro and it's allies: 5,0.
Left and Centre left: 8,8.
Prov. and others: 4,4.

Results of legislative election of 2013.
F. p. v. and it's allis: 31,1.
Disident p. j.: 25,9.
U. c.r and it's allies: 25,0.
Pro and it's allies: 7,7.
Left and centre left: 6,2.
Prov. and others: 4,1.
48 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 07:12 pm
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49 malen (#) Sep 04th, 2013 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
48 Its over. It ends in 2015.
People cant save, cant buy nothing with so high prizes, cant do nothing with this ridiculous woman. And the poor are worst of worst.
Fortunatelly she doesnt have one to “replace” her.
Bye, bye. Accept that its the way democracy works.
50 Pete Bog (#) Sep 05th, 2013 - 09:51 am Report abuse
She could have borrowed Cowpat's aircraft. That was allowed to land in Russia..
51 Simon68 (#) Sep 05th, 2013 - 10:20 am Report abuse
47 axel arg (#)
Sep 04th, 2013 - 07:03 pm

The Red Circle

Axel, the famous red circle that Macri spoke about means the new electorate which in October will redefine the balance of power in Congress, make the most of the month and a half that is left to you kirchnerists, from 27 October onwards your plague is on the downward slope with no safety net!!!!!!!!!!
52 axel arg (#) Sep 05th, 2013 - 10:37 am Report abuse
MY ACLARATION.
I must recognize that i committed a mistake in my comment 47, i said that professor's zelaznik work was published in pagina12, but actually it was dated partially by journalist horacio verbitszky in his sunday report. Anyway, you can find verbitszky's report in www.pagina12.com.ar and see more of what the he dated.
On the other hand, unfortunatelly some detractors don't realise that it's too soon to talk about the so called end of cycle of kirchnerism, what they often manifest is just a wish expression more than an objetive fact. It's evident that those people can't see that it's a very wrong idea to understimate c. f. k. again, as they did in 2009 after the result of that legislative lection.
Anybody can agree or not on c. f. k's ideas, but accept it or not, she's not an idiot, and she'll know interpret correctly again, the discontent of some social sectors of the country who decided not to vote for her party last month, as she did after 2009, when she created policies which benefited millions of people, which let her to become in 2011 into the most voted president since 1983.
The last decisions taken by her government in the last days, in relation to income tax show that she's taking note of the result of the elections, because she knows that if her party repeats a similar result in october, she will be able to continue rulling the country without signifficant parliamentary obstacles.
Respecting her comparisons with australia and canada, the editor of this report made a very mischievous lecture, due to she has never said that argentina has a better life standard than those countries, she just refered to trade surplus, reserves level, and fiscal deficit.
I wish argentina to have someday the life standar and industrial and teconogical development of australia and canada, that's why it's necesary to continue having a strong statal intervention.
53 yankeeboy (#) Sep 05th, 2013 - 11:44 am Report abuse
she will be able to continue rulling the country without signifficant parliamentary obstacles.

Good Gracious!

Axel, You are so stupid that I am embarrassed for you.
54 axel arg (#) Sep 05th, 2013 - 01:45 pm Report abuse
SIMON68.
I asked you not to adress to me again, i told you i feel so ashamed of having somebody like you as a compatriot. Ignore all my comments, and never adress to me again.
I respect people who are detractors of kirchnerism, but i don't like sepoys. You don't need to be a fanatic kirchnerist in order to realise that if argentina were a recalcitrant debtor as the court of appeals and you think, it would never make any debt restructuring, which were accepted by the 92% of holders. The fact that you don't agree on c. f. k's ideas, doesn't mean that you have to take the side of the people who want to prejudice the country, in my opinion, this sort of posture, is tipicall of sepoys, and i have never tolerated this kind of people, that's why i don't want you to adress to me NEVER AGAIN, i think i have been perfectly clear, haven't i?.
55 Casper (#) Sep 05th, 2013 - 02:08 pm Report abuse
Lol. I'm watching CFK & Putin chatting amiably at the G20. No doubt discussing their respective country's policies on gay rights.

@54 Axel:

No need to be ashamed Axel. Simon is his own man and, I have no doubt, comes by his beliefs honestly. As I am sure do you.
56 axel arg (#) Sep 05th, 2013 - 02:36 pm Report abuse
CASPER: It would be good if c. f. k. and putin discuss about policies on gay rights, as a citizen and as a gay man, i can only tell you i feel really free since i have the same rights than heterosexual people, thanks to the politic will of almost all political parties which voted on behalf of gay marriage in 2010, but unfortunatelly not many gay people around the world can have the same rights.
57 ElaineB (#) Sep 05th, 2013 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
@56 Especially not in Russia. That was the point Casper was making.
58 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 05th, 2013 - 04:21 pm Report abuse
@56 Hi my rainbow friend.
59 Ayayay (#) Sep 06th, 2013 - 01:48 am Report abuse
Any culture is usually more liberal at the supposed height of their economy. The Weimar years of Germany-they were known as the most orientation inclusive in the world!

Then came Hyperinflation and a socialist leader with his own youth group. Bam. Literally Hitler.
60 axel arg (#) Sep 06th, 2013 - 09:51 am Report abuse
AYAYAY: What are you trying to say?, are you comparing c. f. k's government with hitler's?, explain please, because i don't want to make any mischievous lecture.
ELAINEB: I realised that casper was telling that in russia gay people don't have the same rights than everybody else, that's why i told him it would be good if c. f. k. and puttin discuss about it.
GONZO22: You must be confused, i never thought you would consider me your friend, anyway hi.
61 lsolde (#) Sep 06th, 2013 - 11:00 am Report abuse
How embarrassing & pathetic.
A national leader that cannot fly her country's flag carrier to an international meeting because said flag carrier will get seized for unpaid debts!
Argentina, have you no shame?
62 toooldtodieyoung (#) Sep 06th, 2013 - 11:51 am Report abuse
51 Simon68

Well said Sir!!!

There is a word for people like you, people who stand up for those too fightened and subjigated by their Government to speak out.

That word is “Courage”.

54 axel arg

What's the matter diddums? don't you like it when other people point out when you are WRONG.

You would do well to listen to what Simon68 has to say. Apart from not being brainwashed, he also has a habit of being RIGHT!! Have a little more respect, you moron.
63 Clyde15 (#) Sep 06th, 2013 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
Did you notice that at the official photograph at the G20 that CFK had pushed her way into the front row to stand next to Putin. Angela Merkel and Obama were further away. Presumably this is for home consumption to show how important her standing is in the world.....what a self deluded person she is !!
64 Anglotino (#) Sep 06th, 2013 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
That's because no one wanted to stand next to Putin.
65 axel arg (#) Sep 07th, 2013 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
ISOLDE: If argentina were a recalcitrant debtor, like the court of appeals, and some our sepoys love repeating all the time, it would never make the two debts re estructurings it made, which were accepted by most holders, in fact the vultures who litigate against argentina represent just the 0,45% of the whole debt, so, it's not honest to say that arg. didn't have the politic will of paying it's debts. I know you hate argentina, but unless it would be better if you had more information when you give an opinion about our problems.
TOOOLTODIEYOUNG:
I prefer to be considered one million times like a moron, but not like a sepoy who takes the side of the people who want to prejudice the country. I was perfectly clear in my comment 54 about what i think in relation to detractors of kirchnerism, and about our conflict with the vultures.
66 lsolde (#) Sep 08th, 2013 - 06:16 am Report abuse
@65 axel,
Can you give me a good reason why l should love Argentina?
Your country wants to steal our land & dispossess us or worse.
Your country also continually tells lies about us to the world.
Your country is a bully, a thief & a liar.
You don't like it because you can't get your own way, you can't bulldoze us aside.
And the thing is, your country has caused ALL the trouble here.
We could have been friends..................but, oh no, you want to conquer & rule us.
You never will.
Why should we humour you?
We won't.
Happy now?
67 axel arg (#) Sep 08th, 2013 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
ISOLDE.
You made a wrong interpretation of what i told.
I have never pretended you to love argentina, i just wanted to give you more information, in relation to what you said in your comment 61.
If you want to make an analysis about any of our problems, you should have more information, instead of making such an ignorant comment.
Respecting our sovereign claim for the islands, i won't discuss with you again about it, because it has always been a waste of time.
It's not possible to have a mature and honest debate, with somebody like you who doesn't have any intellectual honesty, and considers that we want to steal the place where you were born. It's evident that you never wanted to understand the true posture of argentina, which has always shown that it's disposed to dialogue with the u. k., in order to find a solution for this conflict, as the u.n. proposes.
However, if you prefer believing that argentina wants to steal the islands, or force the islanders to leave the archipelago, or anyother mischievous lecture, without making a critic to the behaviour of the islanders, due to they have never shown any will to discuss a fair solution, and ask for the application of self determination which actually has never been invoked by the u. n. for this cause, you have right buy that ignorant lecture, it just shows once and again that it has always been a waste of time to discuss with you about it, happy now?.
68 lsolde (#) Sep 09th, 2013 - 04:26 am Report abuse
AXEL,
You are correct about one thing. lt IS a waste of time talking to you.
You have this weird, strange, wholy ridiculous idee fixé in your melon that somehow Argentina actually has rights in the Falklands when ANY sane person will tell you that you DO NOT.
You are extremely ignorant, Axel & arrogant as well.
And for your information, Bucko, we has a solution for this “conflict”.
i.e. We OWN the Falklands & you DO NOT.
Your country wants our country & you are NOT entitled to it.
What would you call that, Dear Axel? l would call it thievery, wouldn't you?
What is the point of a debate, Dear Axel? We are NOT going to give you what you want. There is nothing to “dialogue”about.
You love to quote the UN.
UNGA resolutions are suggestions, Axel. Not orders. And we decline.
We will NOT discuss Sovereignty with you.
However, my Dear Axel, UNSC resolutions are mandatory.
What about UNSC Resolution #502 which ORDERED Argentina to remove its troops from the Falklands in 1982.
Argentina refused.
So, hypocrite, stop quoting UN Resolutions.
Actually l am glad that you won't talk to me again as you have nothing interesting to say, only lies.
à bientot, sweety.
69 malen (#) Sep 09th, 2013 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
“Flew on the Tango 01 to Morocco where she CHANGED AIRCRAFT”, says the article of MP.
Well NO. See the video. Watch in which plane is arriving to SAN PETERSBURG AND YOULL SEE ITS TANGO 01.
www.diariouno.com.ar/paris/Cristina-anticipo-que-planteara-el-tema-de-los-fondos-buitre-ante-el-G20-20130904-0043.html
70 nigelpwsmith (#) Sep 10th, 2013 - 05:16 am Report abuse
This made me laugh:

“A bizarre episode came when Argentine president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner stood up to speak during the meal and rambled on for a full half hour about her country’s history and views, oblivious to the fact that some of the other leaders pulled out their translator earpieces and started chatting among themselves.”

www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/joe-murphy-david-camerons-plan-has-been-derailed-by-putins-power-play-8801904.html
71 axel arg (#) Sep 10th, 2013 - 07:23 am Report abuse
ISOLDE.
Wrong again dear isolde, i recommend you again that you should search more information, in order to avoid your tipicall mischievus lectures.
Firstly, i want to say that i have never omitted the horrible things that my country commited in different historical contexts.
In relation to resolution 501, in think that it would be honest to recognize that actually both countries didn't comply with it.
In the case of argentina, the idiot junta thought that they u. k. would never make a war for recovering the islands, they were so ignorant that they thought that if they took possession of the archipelago, and left a small garrison in the islands, it would push the u. k. to start negotiating with argentina for the sovereignty of the islands, in fact, the true purpose of the junta was to make a touch and go, that's why after having taken over the islands, argentine troops started leaving the archipelago the following day.
On the other hand, resolution 502 not only asked the retire of argentine troops, which had started the following day to the invasion, but also asked both nations to solve their differences peacefully.
Your so loved lady thatcher has never shown any will of searching a negotiated solution for this conflict.
If she wanted to recover the islands for the u. k., she could have sent a huge military and humatarian mission to the islands, with the purpose of protecting the islanders from the terrible abuses that the junta commited in the mainland against our people, and at the same time start the conversations with argentina, in order to find a negotiated solution for this conflict, as resolution 502 asked both countries. However, a negotiated solution wasn't convenient for her political ambitions, because only a military victory would save her misserable government.
Beside, you are suggested finding a negotiated solution with argentina, and you reject it, it shows that actually you have no will of finding a solution for this conflict.
72 malen (#) Sep 10th, 2013 - 08:15 am Report abuse
I always had a vague idea of MP been probritish propaganda....I dont know why...
they dont check nothing of what they publish, and can say every nonsense of Arg.
Nice that to Russia we have liberty to fly with no problems.
73 lsolde (#) Sep 10th, 2013 - 05:58 pm Report abuse
@71Axel,
You're wrong again Axel.
You've got hold of the wrong end of the snake, mate.
We don't have to find a “negotiated solution”.
We have a solution:- these are 100% OUR lslands.
They are NOT your lslands.
After your invasion in April 1982, it wouldn't matter whether you increased or decreased your troops.
They should never have been here in the first place.
Your internal difficulties with your junta, although deplorable, had nothing to do with the Falklands.
Thats your business, keep it your business.
The onus is/was not on us to”send a huge humanitarian(?) mission”(whatever that means?)to the lslands, the onus was on YOUR COUNTRY, to remove your troops as per UNSC Resolution #502, dear Axel.
Which your country REFUSED to do.
Argentina was in breach of a Security Council Resolution, & Argentina should have to answer to that.
l would recommend expelling your country from the UN.
What M.Thatcher did or did not do, is irrelevant to what happened, Axel.
The crux of the matter is that absolutely NONE of any of this would have happened if YOUR COUNTRY had not illegally invaded the Falklands. A land to to which does NOT belong to Argentina & a land in which Argentina has NO RIGHTS at all.
Finally, just in case you, personally are in any doubt at all, let me just say Axel, that we will NOT discuss our Sovereignty with Argentina or anyone else.
Hope this helps.
Btw-l thought you said that you were not going to talk to me anymore???????
Another Argentine promise broken? so?
74 rupertbrooks0 (#) Sep 10th, 2013 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
71 axel arg (#

I'm afraid your just plain wrong. PM Thatcher did attempt to find a negotiated solution. Talks were held with Alexandra Haig (the two Haig peace plans) and when these broke down (as his proposals were rejected by both the UK and Argentina) talks continued at the UN in New York between the British UN Ambassador Sir Antony Parsons and the Argentine UN Ambassador Enrique Ros with UN Secretary General Perez Cueller acting as go between.

The British UN propsals went further than the Haig ideas and included an interim UN administration on the islands with both Argentine and British representatives. Negotiations would take place after Argentina withdrew its forces from the islands (under UN supervision). Argentina rejected these terms just before midnight on 18th May 1982.
On 21 May 1982 the British landed on the islands in San Carlos Waters and the british proposals were withdrawn.

As Haig as stated afterwards the main difficulties in the negotiations were not with the British who were professional, united and consistant throughout, but the Argentinians who were drunk, inconsistent and couldn't agree amongst themselves as to their position

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