Friday, September 13th 2013 - 20:36 UTC

Falklands: despite MPs criticisms, “UK government wants full bilateral relationship with Argentina”

A British Conservative Member of Parliament Henry Smith labeled Argentine president Cristina Fernandez as ‘disgraceful’ for how she has treated the people of the Falkland Islands and also claimed she stopped an Argentine prosecutor from testifying before the US congress on the Buenos Aires 1994 bombing of an Israelite mutual association in order to protect a growing alliance with Iran.

MP Henry Smith wants Argentina out of G20, but Foreign Office minister Burt insisted with a more contemporizing policy

MP Smith addressing the House of Commons also blasted Cristina Fernandez on her international and economic policies. However the UK government said it has always been clear “that it would like a full, bilateral relationship with Argentina” 

“Argentina has expropriated the property of European companies, provides a safe haven for drug dealers bringing methamphetamine to Europe, is developing a strategic relationship with Iran, it deliberately falsifies its economic statistics, it refuses to abide by international court judgments and refuses to pay its debts to other nations and institutions and even refuses to honor the most basic laws of contracts.”

MP Smith said Argentina’s failure to pay back international loans could set a bad example for current financially-stricken Euro-zone nations and called of the UK government “to take a tough position on Argentina's G20 membership, just as it did with the Falkland Islands”.

“It is simply unacceptable that a country that is a member of the G20, one of the most important and prestigious international bodies, should behave in this manner. I believe that Argentina's membership of the G20 should be revoked”.

Cristina Fernandez has made “Argentina is an international outlier - no other country, including in Europe, is behaving so irresponsibly in relation to its debts, no other country is in receipt of an IMF censure for falsifying inflation figures.

”We should stand up for the rule of law, sanctity of contract, and respect for international legal and financial obligations. We should not stand with those who refuse to abide by court judgments and who steal private property”.

However Foreign Office Minister Alistair Burt said MP Smith had raised a number of serious issues. But he said the UK intended to develop its bilateral relations with Argentina through the G20.

He said: “This Government has always been clear that it would like a full, bilateral relationship with Argentina. As a country full of natural resources, Argentina has the potential to be a key trading partner with the United Kingdom in the future. But the Falkland Islands are British and will remain British, as clearly demonstrated by the referendum held in March”.

”We remain disappointed that, over 30 years after its unjustified and illegal act of aggression against the Falklands, the government of Argentina continues its policy of hostility towards the Falklands people with attempts to strangle the economic livelihood of the islands and in its refusal to co-operate with the Falklands on a range of issues for the common good of the region” said FCO minister Burt. 
 

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1 Gordo1 (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 02:26 am Report abuse
A brilliant review of that pariah nation - Argentina! A riposte to La Kretina, to Timerman and to the “trolly dolly”, Alicia Castro!
2 british bomber (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 02:42 am Report abuse
So the rgs walk all over us and we let them. Brilliant!
3 Steve-33-uk (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 02:56 am Report abuse
Absolutely spot on, great article ;)
4 Pirate Love (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 03:24 am Report abuse
nothing to gain from any relationship with argentina bilateral or otherwise,
Argentina is argentina and will remain so, hidden agendas, rife corruption, economic blackmail, breacher of Human Rights, Iranian Bedfellows................
To rub shoulders with THAT? No Thanks!
5 Steve-33-uk (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 04:10 am Report abuse
'In full alarm, Cristina forgets “choose” and asks “an effort” to governors - In a climate of extreme tension about the possibility of a catastrophic defeat in October, Cristina moved to publicist Martin Mercado, buried the phrase “in life you have to choose” and gave control Insaurralde campaign. Also called the governors, but not let them talk. “I ask you to make one more effort,” demanded one by one...'
www.lapoliticaonline.com/noticias/val/93781-6/en-alarma-total-cristina-cambia-la-agencia-de-insaurralde-y-les-pide-a-los-gobernadores-%E2%80%9Cun-esfuerzo-.html

I linked you this story a week ago, but better late than never for the sun...
'Argy’s drone goal! - Falklands spy blunder - DOPEY Argentinian spy chiefs have blown a top secret plan to snoop on the Falkland Islands using unmanned drones...' www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5135919/Argys-drone-goal-over-Falklands.html

'A new look at the Falklands'
www.diariopopular.com.ar/notas/168806-una-nueva-mirada-las-malvinas

'SDGG CLARIFIES DECOLONISATION OPTIONS - The Self Determination for Gibraltar Group has issued guidance on its opinion poll on Gibraltar’s decolonisation options.'
www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=30765

'Spain delays EU monitors arrival'
www.panorama.gi/localnews/headlines.php?action=view_article&article=10786&offset=0

'They ask for papal intervention in the situation with Gibraltar'
www.diariodejerez.es/article/provincia/1602380/piden/la/intervencion/papal/la/situacion/con/gibraltar.html

'Fighting Over the Rock - Feud Over Gibraltar’s Sovereignty Fosters an Economic Squeeze'
www.nytimes.com/2013/09/14/world/europe/fighting-over-the-rock.html?_r=0
6 Brit Bob (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 04:49 am Report abuse
Great article that sums up the Banana Republic of Argentina. Interesting to note that Christina's INDEC has inflation running at less than half of the true figure estimated by independent analysts. G20 nation? Joke.
7 Britworker (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 04:52 am Report abuse
@2
In terms of being walked all over, I would say that we are walked over the least. When I see Spain grovelling to them after they stole Repsol, it is pitiful to watch and other South American countries forced to agree with their stance on numerous issues out of fear of economic reprisals and protectionist measures.
Ultimately time will run out for Kirchner and she will be living in exile with her extorted millions along with hector as her cabana boy.

I have no sympathy for the Argentines, they deserve every bit of the misery that is fast approaching them. Crime only pays whilst you are getting away with it and like most criminals when the collapse comes, they will just be sorry that they got caught, they won't be sorry.
8 Stevie (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 05:11 am Report abuse
Indeed Britworker, crime only pays when you are getting away with it.
Libor, invasion of Sovereign nations, spying on civilians...

And you lot aren't even sorry you got caught...
9 HansNiesund (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 05:28 am Report abuse
@8

And enter Stevie in cue with the eternal Argentine fallacy that somebody else's supposed behaviour somewhere else is all the justification they need for theirs.
10 Stevie (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 05:33 am Report abuse
Not at all, it's just amazing how people see other people's flaws, or invent them if need be, totally ignoring their own obvious ones...

Tell me that goes both ways, well maybe, but fact is that every thread start with you lot having a go at South America in general and Argentina in particular.

Clean your own houses, the mess is plentyful.
11 HansNiesund (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 05:46 am Report abuse
@10

Is there anything untrue in what the guy said? What do you propose to do about cleaning your own house? Jump up and down shouting that somebody else's house is dirty? That'll help ...
12 british bomber (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 05:53 am Report abuse
Walked all over least or most - who cares. We are still bending over and taking it.

The rgs will not play nice and what do we do - we want to cozy up to them.
13 Conqueror (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 05:57 am Report abuse
@8, 10 Talking of crimes, who does this make you think of? 1. Invading another country illegally; 2. Occupying it illegally; 3. Ignoring a binding Security Council resolution; 4. Starting a war; 5. Celebrating being defeated in a war it says it didn't start; 6. Choosing to issue bonds in another jurisdiction that it never had any intention of repaying; 7. Forcing a majority of bondholders to accept a “restructuring” that should have been called a “theft”; 8. Presenting specious arguments in court when called to account; 9. Publicly stating that it will not comply with the judgement of the court; 10. Presenting irrelevant and unprovable arguments at appeal; 11. Lying about economic data; 12. Lying about historical data; 13. Lying about environmental data; 14. Lying about industrial data; 15. Lying about in-country democracy; 16. Breaching the UN Charter; 17. Breaching international law; 18. Deliberately contaminating foodstuffs intended for export; 19. Engaging in deliberate fraud; 20. Engaging in deliberate theft; 21. Impeding neighbouring countries with lies and browbeating.

Who does it make you think of?
14 ElaineB (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 06:27 am Report abuse
We are playing the long game. It works. It has always worked for us because it is how adults deal with such situations.

The CFK and her band of twits are like a group of teenagers all belligerence, tantrums, instant gratification, egocentric and rebellious. But when dealing with teenage children the adults always keep open lines of communication because eventually the teenagers grow out of it and become human again.

CFK won't be there forever.
15 Stevie (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 06:37 am Report abuse
Dunno conq... Definitively USA or the UK, quite hard to differentiate... Give me more clues.
16 british bomber (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 07:22 am Report abuse
Well whoopee. We wait for cfk to leave at the end of her term. Then what?

In the mean time the rgs thumb their noses at the world.
17 ElaineB (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 08:45 am Report abuse
@16 So what if the Argentine government is thumbing their nose at the world? What would you suggest? They are harming themselves far more than anyone else.

Ultimately as long as the Argentines do not try to invade the Falklands, that is the only real issue for the UK government. As they do not have the ability to do that and their PR campaign has achieved absolutely nothing but ridicule, we don't need to do anything.

The debt issue will reach a conclusion that will have a dramatic effect on the people of Argentina. If you had spoken to the people that suffered the last time, you would not be wishing it on them. One thing we most definitely do not need to be is an EXCUSE. The EXCUSE for the Argentine government to blame for all the shit that is going to happen. Let them take responsibility for it.

They will eventually have to leave the G20 because of their own actions and that is exactly how it should happen.
18 JimHandley (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 09:13 am Report abuse
Hello Everyone,

Sorry to be so reiterative, but most of what of had been stated here hitherto is merely hot air. And as I’ve said so many times before, the nature of Britain’s ongoing relationship with Argentina will be determined by the dictates of ECONOMIC EXPEDIENCY (To wit, me Lud, “What International Big Business wants”) with little regard given to justice or social morality. Of course, CFK and her crooked cohorts are perfectly aware of this fact and that also, present and probably long-lasting, international instability will permit them to proceed with their present pernicious prevarications with impunity and presumably well into the foreseeable future.

The only possible way I can see that general public may hope have at least some limited influence on the multinational monopolies’ behaviour and of that of their market allies, is by massive consumer pressure. That’s to say, by doing summat similar to the recent partial boycott of the UK’s, tax dodging Starbucks; or by acting along the lines of the ongoing US workers’ fight to get decent conditions and pay from Walmart, et cetera. And if such demonstrations could be staged on an international, ‘Save the World / Band Aid’ scale, so much the better!

What definitely IS CERTAIN, is the fact that a few bigmouthed, semi educated screwballs shooting off a load rhetorical refuse on this obscure Webpage will have no effect whatsoever on world events. But the frequent gratuitous, tedious tirades over laden with inane insults one reads here, CERTAINLY DO seem to needlessly upset so many of us –simply to pander to immature instincts of tiny yet vociferous, mindless minority.

Cheers!

Jim, in Madrid.
19 ElaineB (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 09:20 am Report abuse
Well, Jim, I didn't know we were trying to change or have an effect on the world here. I thought it was just a discussion board. But thanks for coming here to insult me.
20 Britworker (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 09:24 am Report abuse
@16
Its not we are personally aggrieved by their actions, who gives a stuff how they behave, they will ultimately pay the price and there isn't much we can do about it either way, except watch the show.
21 british bomber (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 09:33 am Report abuse
The problem is that the rgs and economists think that their last default saved them. They think that defaulting is good. Anyway they pay cash for everything so they don't need a credit rating. Their credit rating could not be lower anyway.

Who cares about the Falklands. The main thing is that the rgs not be allowed to default. America should put sanctions on rg now.

So the rgs will not be hurt but the bond holders will.

We are supporting rg membership of g20.
22 ChrisR (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 11:53 am Report abuse
@ 10 Stevie

LIBOR, although disgraceful was NOT the action of the British Government, unlike your mates in The Dark Country robbing pensioners of their pension. Not much ‘social inclusion’ in your ‘bestist’ mates actions was there?

I know you are not stupid so that comment was obvious mendacious to say the least. I know you are better than that so try harder.

@ 18 JimHandley

Jim Mate, what’s up ‘Old’un? Knickers in a twist again or what?

I wpuld have thought as a spick sympathiser you would have kept a low profile as befits an experienced old soldier, not poked it above the parapet to have it blown off by ElaineB!

Remember your age and ‘Calm down and carry on’. :o)
23 Islander1 (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
Steve- What Sovereign Nations has UK recently invaded then without just cause and a lot of warning?Iraq- No- Afghanistan?- No, Kosovo?-No.
24 Think (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 12:46 pm Report abuse
(18) JimHandley

You ain't no Turnip, Mr. Handley........
25 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 01:04 pm Report abuse
Is Tommy Comerford here? He's back, huh?
26 agent999 (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
19 ElaineB

Have you not noticed a similarity in style of Mr. Handley ?
27 Think (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 02:50 pm Report abuse
To all Kelpers out there……
That’s what English promises are worth…..:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/sep/11/ascension-island-population-cut-uk-government

Chuckle chuckle©
28 Steve-33-uk (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
'27 Target O ' - The 27th of October is expected most convincing defeat candidates Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner. - Not wrong Spanish Minister D. José Manuel García-Margallo to continue to support Argentina's claims of sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. could have taken away their vote of confidence and include it in the negotiating table London - Madrid by the Rock of Gibraltar , but happily not already done so. It is temporary or circumstantial Argentina is ruled by irresponsible...'
www.intereconomia.com/blog/chimango-sur/objetivo-%E2%80%9827-o%E2%80%99-20130914

AND DEFEND GIBRALTAR FROM SPAIN - The 'experts' ERC and CDC want to be with the Spanish army ...~naki Urdangarin Barcelona, ​​Professor of International Relations and International Law, European University of Barcelona denounces “ the constant abuse, insults and threats ”from Spain to the UK and Gibraltar.
To end this situation, Catalonia, “with his innate sense of responsibility to the international community,” accept “ one civilized division of assets and liabilities ”. This would be for Catalonia assume “a portion of the Spanish public debt” while, to promote “the interests of NATO and maritime democracies” would take care of most of the Navy and the Spanish Air Force.
Army continues to ensure that this would not be used against Gibraltar or be transferred to Argentina to fight in the Falklands and would be available for the Atlantic Alliance...'
www.intereconomia.com/noticias-gaceta/cataluna/los-soberanistas-proponen-asumir-armada-para-defender-gibraltar-20130914
29 Steveu (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 03:00 pm Report abuse
@27 I think the comments on the article (from The Guardian for Chrissakes - whichs has a few elements of “The British are Complete Bastards” among its contibutors) are more telling. This is from some from Ascension Island

”This article really doesn't paint a picture of the Ascension Island I call home. We don't rely on American handouts to avoid scurvy, many people from both the UK and St Helena have their families here (not just the headteacher), and it must be one of the safest places on Earth to raise a teenage girl. The culture of discrimination against Saints that is implied is fanciful; people of St Helenian extraction hold many of the senior positions within government and make up the entire Island Council. Recent job cuts at Interserve reflect spending cuts across the armed forces: the result of global economics rather than a conspiracy to oust the local population. The only genuine issue raised is that of right of abode, which is a longstanding debate with sound arguments on both sides. If this is the only source of information that readers are basing their comments on I would urge you to do more research, or, even better, visit the Island and talk to some of the largely contented population.”

So there! ;-)
30 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 03:07 pm Report abuse
The new Diego García is coming. Kelpers pray they are not next. No right of self-determination for them. What else can you expect from these tyrants? Poor Saints.
31 Think (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 03:11 pm Report abuse
Turnip at (20):

www.presspartners.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/monkeys_22027_lg.gif
32 Briton (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 03:37 pm Report abuse
..
The yo yo effect---

Sadly the British seem, again, to be split in two,
Divided between those who want the Argies punished, [MPs?]
And some, who regardless of how bad one is, is determined to trade with them,
[The famous foreign office]
But this is nothing new,
We see it all the time,
Your rights, as people,
And trade rights to profit..
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
This is my house, its my castle, I have rights,
Until the government thinks otherwise,
And when it suits them, your rights don’t exit, [compulsory purchase]

What has this to do with CFK,
Trade=business

Nothing but nothing interferes with business =profit=money??

In other words, Henry Smith was correct in his opinion and should well be acted on.
However Foreign Office Minister Alistair Burt said=
UK intended to develop its bilateral relations with Argentina.
He said: “This Government has always been clear that it would like a full, bilateral relationship with Argentina. As a country full of natural resources, Argentina has the potential to be a key trading partner with the United Kingdom in the future

Two sides of the same coin, two different aims.
[well]
That’s what it seems like,
Just a thought and probably way out….

............................
33 Britworker (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 03:58 pm Report abuse
There are some very confusing posts on here, anyone would think that 'some' of you are not what you purport to be.
34 axel arg (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 04:13 pm Report abuse
WHAT HAS CHANGED AFTER THE REFERENDUM.
Beyond the lies and too partial truths that smith expressed in his statement before the british parliament, it would be interesting whether we all wonder what has changed after the so called referendum.
Did the u. n. apply finally the right to self determination in it's resolutions in relation to the malvinas-falklands cause?, did the u. n. decide to stop considering the malvinas-falkland cause as a special case, as it has always done since 1965?, the answers are as obvious as the strategy of the referendum.
It was expectable that nothing was going to change, in fact, the islanders have always known it, because people aren't stupid, i have no doubt that they have always known perfectly that if this cause has been a case of self determination, the u. n. would have never considered the malvinas-falkland cause as a special case since 1965, beside, it would have applied the right to self determination for the population fron the islands, as it did with other colonial situations.
Anyway, the end of this conflict is still opened, because it depends on the strategies that both countries implement for this case.
Respecting smith's lies, it's necesary to tell him that if argentina hadn't had any political will of paying it debts, it would have never made any debt restructuring and he knows it, but he needs to express such a decadent and demagogical statement, because he doesn't tolerate the fact that argentina is not nobody's backyard anymore, and it's not a submited country to the caprices of financial sistem, which is destroying millions of jobs in europe.
35 JimHandley (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
To All,

First, may I say that I wholeheartedly concur with the comment on the miserable plight suffered for so many decades now, by the LOYAL, former inhabitants of Diego García –an absolute imperial disgrace, CLANDESTINELY wrought in order to curry favour with the US govt, in the UNKNOWING name of the British people, by a devious former Labour administration, lead by the late Harold Wilson.

Some infer that I’ve insulted them. In fact, ‘There’s now’t that hurts so much as the TRUTH’!

What’s the point in gratuitously insulting ALL Argentineans, thus alienating even those who fundamentally, wish Britain and all other democratic countries, well? (and there ARE some, of course)

Ought we not simply to calmly state our case and make it clear that –if required– we’ll maintain it, by adequate military force?

But I wonder just how many of our post teen-aged, chinless diplomats genuinely understand our South American ‘amigos’ and their cultural nuances?. Do they know that certain British Army Units are STILL entitled to march through the streets of Caracas, with their bayonets fixed and beating their drums? –an honour conferred by the great Bolivar himself, by granting them the Freedom of the City, in gratitude for their helping Venezuela to gain its independence from Spain. Maybe we should go about calling in a few very old debts? (JOKE)

How many Britons realize that at least one of the ferries still in use on Andean Lake Titicaca, was built in and launched in Scotland in the 19th century? Subsequently, it was dismantled, shipped to Argentina and transported in bits, overland by train, mules and whatnot, to its destination, where it was reassembled. And of course, we built virtually the entire South America Railway Network. Then, in the 1920’s the big US firms muscled in and took everything over.

So perhaps it would be better if we were to painstakingly attempt renew our centuries’ old cordiality with our former Latin-American friends and clearly tell them that, whils
36 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 05:31 pm Report abuse
@35 Let's keep it short, are you going to give the LOYAL, former inhabitants of Diego García their islands back, yes or no? I guess the answer is a big NO.
37 HansNiesund (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 05:45 pm Report abuse
@36
Can we take it that your support of the Chagossians implies support for he principle pf self-determination?
38 GFace (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 05:53 pm Report abuse
@34 Of all the Malvanistas, you should know that you have no one on these boards on which to tell the lie about the UN rejecting the Islanders (and Gibraltarians) right to self-determination when you and Spain tried to deny them this special human right. That attempt to dehumanize the islanders was voted down hard and firm.
39 golfcronie (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
@36
We will if you give back Patagonia to the indigenous population that you can find after you systematically killed off. CFK ought to give back all the land she stole and sold on for enormous profit
40 JimHandley (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
36 Gonzo22

If I’d had my way, Diego Garcia’s innocent inhabitants would NOT have been forcible deported into abject misery, in the first instant. Nevertheless, I DON’T consider myself responsible for a reprehensible act perpetrate by a previous British administration –which kept the matter secret! And I sincerely hope that I shall not be held responsible for the recently discovered, multiple acts of paedophilia, police corruption, Banking scams and other scandals, on the part of certain members of the British Establishment –events that are now doing the rounds in the ‘Media’.

Incidentally, neither do I blame every single Argentinean for the atrocities committed by your country’s former Junta nor for the outrageous swindling careers of CFK and her pocket-ling wolf pack!

Amigo, ¡En todas partes se cuecen las habas!

Saludos cordials,

Jim.
41 golfcronie (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
@36
What about the former inhabitants of Patagonia ( THE TEHUELCHE INDIANS )
You hipocrit, I don't see what Diego Garcia has to do with the subject we are discussing.
42 José Malvinero (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 07:07 pm
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43 british bomber (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
But nml have attempted to seize tango 1 in America before. Anyway once nml has seized all the assets there will not be enough for the the majority of the bond holders.
44 JimHandley (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 08:14 pm Report abuse
41 golfcronie.

More ignorance! Patagonia is an area originally, largely settled by Jews –from who’s traditional baggy trousers, et cetera, the present-day Gaucho dress derives– and above all, a region irrigated, cultivated and exploited by the Welsh, who during much of the 19th century could not be forced to join Argentina’s armed forces, thanks to British Imperial Protection.

Are saying the Diego Garcians are less worthy of ‘fair do’s’, than the Kelpers, simply because the former are NOT WHITE and have no petroleum? If so, SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPERCILIOUS, SELF-RIGHTEOUS, BRITISH MORAL SUPERIORITY.

Jim in Madrid.
45 Think (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 08:35 pm Report abuse
TWIMC

Wonder if British Conservative Member of Parliament Henry Smith labels English Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron as ‘disgraceful’ for how he is treating the people of ASCENSION Island………… ?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/sep/11/ascension-island-population-cut-uk-government

The Guardian article linked above is about what England is doing to ASCENSION Island today, not about what they did in DIEGO GARCIA Island some forty years ago........
As Mr. Handley so correctly says at (18)...: “The nature of Britain’s ongoing relationship with XXX will be determined by the dictates of ECONOMIC EXPEDIENCY”.....

Self-Determination, my left foot....
Brainwash anybody?
Chuckle chuckle©
46 Millet (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 10:06 pm Report abuse
#44 Jim Handleity, are you trying to sound intellectual, if so you need to try much harden. - Millet USA
47 JimHandley (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
41 golfcronie.

Further to my previous message...

May I add that I omitted to share your concern for the protection of native peoples, everywhere?

But it’s also a fact that the Patagonian Indians eventually made friends with their largely Welsh and Jewish invaders. Furthermore the whole disparate bunch has long since intermarried, even welcoming a large number of Italian, ‘Giovanni Come-Latelies’ into the fold –as the ancient Spanish adage so aptly has it, “La jodienda no tiene enmienda”,

So I fear that our European, Hebrew and Indigenous forebears have woven so intricate and multicoloured a cloak, that it will defy unpicking by even the deftness hand of the most honourably ardent anti-colonialist.

Jim, in Madrid.
48 screenname (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 11:44 pm Report abuse
@47 JimHandley(whoever): “So I fear that our European, Hebrew and Indigenous forebears... ”

OUR????????????????

Oh, 'Jim' and you were doing so well (not really, but you didn't half put some effort in).

Tell us, are you commuting to Madrid from Patagonia?

Busted

Chuckle Chuckle
49 Think (#) Sep 14th, 2013 - 11:57 pm Report abuse
(44) & (47) Mr. JimHandley in Madrid….

You mention, twice, something about some Jew colonization of Patagonia…..
Well……….... That’s news for me….

There is no significant (past or present) Jewish presence, no synagogue, no Kosher shop, nor anything particular Jewish I know of in the province of Tierra del Fuego…
There is no significant (past or present) Jewish presence, no synagogue, no Kosher shop, nor anything particular Jewish I know of in the province of Santa Cruz…
There is no significant (past or present) Jewish presence, no synagogue, no Kosher shop, nor anything particular Jewish I know of in the province of Chubut…
There is no significant (past or present) Jewish presence, no synagogue, no Kosher shop, nor anything particular Jewish I know of in the province of of Rio Negro…
There is no significant (past or present) Jewish presence, no synagogue, no Kosher shop, nor anything particular Jewish I know of in the province of Neuquen …
There is no significant (past or present) Jewish presence, no synagogue, no Kosher shop, nor anything particular Jewish I know of in the province of of La Pampa…

Well………….................That’s the Patagonia I know….

But, if you happen to have information that contradicts my above, I would appreciate to be linked to it …..
It’s never too late to learn something new…..
El Think, Chubut, Patagonia Argentina.
50 Stevie (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 02:20 am Report abuse
screenname
Ever read a book in English?
Our doesn't necessarily means yours and mine, it can also be used as a reference to a group of people earlier mentioned...
Maybe you (another tricky word, could mean you personally, or you as a group. See “you lot”) should have a go a consolidating your English before making vile assumptions...
51 Steve-33-uk (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 03:20 am Report abuse
'My apolArgies - Top Argentine sorry for Cam ‘dumb’ jibe - ARGENTINA’S ambassador in London has apologised to David Cameron for branding him “dumb” over the Falklands. Fiery Alicia Castro sent the PM a grovelling two-page letter of regret over her rude rant...'
www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/5137992/Top-Argentine-sorry-for-david-Cameron-dumb-jibe.html

'Argentinos in Africa ~ ...Grippo is articulating a number of trade and cooperation agreements that Timerman signed on his last visit, and creating the Forum Falklands, which has members as a Supreme Court judge local artists, intellectuals and the director of the Institute of Ethiopian Studies . As decolonization agenda is top of Africa, which has more to fresh scars of that period, the issue of South-South solidarity statements expressed strong interest in working and politically on the issue...'
www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-229057-2013-09-15.html
52 Casper (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 04:26 am Report abuse
The British Govt. is simply doing what I would expect them to do - behaving diplomatically. Leave the melodrama for the others - it will avail them nothing in the long run.
53 Steve-33-uk (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 05:38 am Report abuse
Below is a prime example of the latest RG brainwashing technique. Focusing on the future financial benefits to the RG ppl if they steal the Falkland Islanders resources. The article doesn't even mention the islanders!

'Falklands planetary final frontier of natural resources - Argentines are now much more aware of the huge value it has and it will Malvinas in the not too distant future. 've managed to start integrating the passion and the feelings aroused by that portion of our territorial identity to a social vision pragmatic and committed to the sustainable development and peace .
Fortunately we are increasingly those who know that Malvinas is not a fad, instead it is a huge window of opportunity that can transform our production structures and impact decisively on the dream of upward social mobility, work and industrial development . This is an endemic phenomenon of consciousness without return. Precisely because we now know that Malvinas is not an archipelago. Malvinas is a geographic system without hesitation that we can call “the last frontier planet of natural resources”...'
opinion.infobae.com/juan-recce/2013/09/15/malvinas-ultima-frontera-planetaria-de-los-recursos-naturales/
54 golfcronie (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 05:52 am Report abuse
Ah Jim lad, you do really need to do research. Go to Wikipedia and look up map of Argentina 1816- 2000 as report back . You silly boy no marks for you. They ( Argies are still stealing land from the indiginous population.)(_) (_)====D ( knobhead)
55 JimHandley (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 07:11 am Report abuse
49 Think and Everyone,

I’m not an historian nor have I access to any of the many magnificently erudite tomes which tell the fascinating story of America’s colonization. I understand that even the ‘native’ Indians originally invaded the New World from their previous homelands in the Far East???

What I say is entirely taken from VERY OLD, personal memories and at 81, I fully accept that I MAY make the occasional mistake of detail. However, I think you’ll all find that MOST of my assertions are substantially accurate. Furthermore, I should NEVER DARE to neither contradict nor much less, insult, anyone who’s able to amend a possible error on my part. Rather, I should warmly thank him for his help!

Regarding the Jews in Pategonia... I DID intimate –maybe not clearly enough– that they’d been integrated into and perhaps completely lost, in the present Patagonian cultural mix.

As recently as the 8th century, the Moors –actively aided by Jews– ruled most of Iberia. Yet surprisingly few traces of their places of worship survive to tell the tale.

Before quitting the enthralling world of ‘Tales of Patagonia’, what do you know of its being the last great hideout of Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid? Or is that gripping yarn of Wild West murder and mayhem just far too off topic for this mundane forum?

Cheers!

Jim.
56 HansNiesund (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 07:13 am Report abuse
@45

Can we take it also that your touching concern for the islanders of Ascension extends to the islanders of the Falklands? If not, why not?
57 golfcronie (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 07:47 am Report abuse
@56
No, because he is Argentine and he does not admit anything, not my fault, it was my education he cried.
58 JimHandley (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 08:17 am Report abuse
49 Think.

Jewish Gauchos.

Back again and bowing before your obviously superior firsthand knowledge of the matter, I’ve had a look around and found this:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_gauchos

However, certain other sources reckon that the characteristic ‘baggy Gaucho trousers’ derive from the dress worn by Spaniards of Moorish origin. Of course, for several centuries now, the Jews have been –and still are– one of Morocco’s and Spain’s and Gibraltar’s, most influential ethnic groups, so perhaps that fact makes another at least tenuous connection, between the Patagonian Gauchos and the Jews?. By the way Morocco is now legally speaking, a NON CONFESSIONAL kingdom.

Finally, may I say that it’s truly a pleasure to find a person with whom one may enjoy an interesting, RATIONAL conversation

Cheers!

Jim.
59 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 08:59 am Report abuse
@ 58 This is well known, about those Jews, but those places are not in La Patagonia. When in the article you read “the Argentina pampa”, it means the region on this map in green, this region includes part of Argentina but also Uruguay and part of Brazil. La Patagonia is a different region.
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/PAMPAS.png
60 Conqueror (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 09:08 am Report abuse
@15 Okay, one more clue. At the moment it is a very “temporary” member of the UN Security Council. It “held” the chair for one month in August. Couldn't be allowed longer in case it stole the chair!
@18 I don't think you should refer to tiny, mindless minorities while you're in Spain.
@21 WE care about the Falklands. I wonder what sort of mindless ignoramus would support argie membership of anything?
@27 Quite a funny little article you linked. I thought the funniest bit was the idea that Britain would abandon Ascension Island once the St Helena airport is built. Like that airport could cope with RAF refuelling.
@30 Only if argieland tries to invade. But it won't. It doesn't have a ship that could make it all the way across the ocean without breaking down or rolling over.
@34 I think you're “improving”. You're definitely a bigger and more stupid arse than you used to be. By the way, every word Mr Smith said is true!
@35 If you'd like things to be different, tell your argie pals to piss off. While you're at it, tell them to pay their debts.
@40 What a shame that you don't blame “every single Argentinean”. They are actively or passively responsible. That's the way it is when you don't try to stop something.
@42 Congratulations. It takes real, sustained effort to be a total prat. But you've managed it!
@44 Fiction!
@45 Dummy!
@50 Maybe you should learn about how English is spoken. You might look less of a fool. But it's doubtful.
@55 Sorry, sonny, your incredible attempt to recover your credibility has failed. It might have been better if you'd intimated that Patagonia was settled by Martians or the inhabitants of the planet Zog from the 4005th continuum. Jimmy Hanley was a fine actor. You aren't.
61 Stevie (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 09:11 am Report abuse
Gonzo
I'm quite sure the pampas Argentinas ends by the Argentinean borders. Roughly.
On the other side you have the Uruguayan pampas and the Brazilian pampas.
If you want to call them by a common denominator, call them the Pampas...
62 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 09:19 am Report abuse
@61 Stevie, that's written on the map in capital letters, “ PAMPAS”.
63 HansNiesund (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 10:40 am Report abuse
@61

Where on earth do you get this idea that Argentina ends at the Argentinian borders? Hardly anybody in Argentina seems to think so.
64 Escoses Doido (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 10:48 am Report abuse
O-oh! @18. JimmyHandley

Its a 'think' 419'er............(yet another)

Think- you should not have drawn attention to yourself by praising 'jim'
65 golfcronie (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 11:21 am Report abuse
@58
You have not learnt much in your 81 Yrs, have you.HaHaHa
Toodle Pip ol fruit
66 slattzzz (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 11:41 am Report abuse
haven't been on here for a while , good to see Stink is still coming out with his usual shite from the British legion in dover bless him and NOT chabut in Patagonia. Nice to see also the trolly dolly apologising to David Cameron after William Hague ripped her a new arse................rg's hows your drones by the way lol
67 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 12:31 pm Report abuse
@66 Our drones are fine, thanx, but how are your drones doing now? Totally killing civilians, as usual? Defending the right of self-determination of the people around the world? Next Nobel Peace Prize goes to...ta tan ta tan...
68 slattzzz (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 12:59 pm Report abuse
@67 of course they are apart from the fact one of your Generals was caught gobbing off about how they are going to use them against the Falklands. Try it I say, because they will be ashes in seconds defending the right of self determination. Cheers for the heads up General whoever you are. Next idiot prize goes to....ah rgenweener, pick your recipient there are too many to chose from
69 Steve-33-uk (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 01:09 pm Report abuse
'In Gibraltar compared to the Falklands - Local people claimed British rock and point to their similarities to those living in the southern islands'
www.perfil.com/internacional/En-Gibraltar-se-comparan-con-las-Malvinas-20130915-0040.html

'They call for open dialogue about sovereignty - Tierra del Fuego: 2,500 people run marathon for the Falklands'
www.lanueva.com/elpais/nota/d6854e171d/1/152597.html

'Air Marshal Sir John Curtiss - Air Marshal Sir John Curtiss, who has died aged 88, had an unusual breadth of operational flying experience, which proved invaluable when, in 1982, he was appointed Air Commander for Operation Corporate, the recovery of the Falkland Islands...'
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/10310662/Air-Marshal-Sir-John-Curtiss.html
70 JimHandley (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 01:41 pm Report abuse
49 Think.

Jewish Gauchos –more.

My LAST comment here ‘cos all this is banter has become childishly tedious, especially thanks to the offstage chorus of the usual idiots who –too stupid to contribute anything worthwhile– must content themselves with infantile insults such as those denigrating my being aged. Perhaps it’s a good thing I ain’t a babe in arms or a pregnant woman, ‘cos if I were, I’d REALLY be in for some stick!

The relevant Wikipedia entry gives a list of provinces ‘AMONG OTHERS’ settled by the Russian Jews. –I’m a big boy who CAN read properly and in several languages, too! Furthermore –all over the world– cattle herding was always an itinerate occupation. In the 19th century (when I was a lad in Wales –JOKE!) our cattle was still being driven on foot, overland, to markets in places as far afield as London. US cowboys used to herd cattle from rural Texas to the railhead at Chicago (incidentally, that’s where the ill-fated Lehman’s Bank originated –it was founded by a family of Jewish grain merchants, in the Windy City). Even the Spaniards had their “Transhumancia”, during which, they drove their livestock huge distances across this country, to take advantage of better summer / winter grazing. To this day cattle are permitted to transit Madrid’s principal thoroughfares and on certain, ceremonial occasions, still do so in large numbers. And so on, ad infinitum...

Therefore, it ain’t impossible that some of the ‘Jewish Gauchos from Russia’ settled in La Patagonia or subsequently arrived in the province, as part of their habitual, herding work. Anyway and maybe I’m mistaken but I’ve often thought that the Gauchos’ voluminous pantaloons are not terribly dissimilar from those sported by the Cossacks and other horsemen of the Steppes.

So why not tell us all about Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid? At least it would be more interesting tale than this dismally boring polemic.

Cheers!

Jim, in Madrid.
71 Think (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
(55) JimHandley
81 ?!? You are nearly a grown up, lad…… ;-)
Odd you should mention Mr. Parker & Mr. Longabaugh…….. Not so ”Off Topic” at all!
I have been quite many times in their ol’ cabin in Cholila….., have visited their hide-away at the Hole in the Wall, near Kaycee and even been shown the ruins of one of their ”still secret” places near Never Sweat, WY…..

(58) JimHandley
We have undoubtedly had an important influx of Jews in Argentina especially in the provinces of Buenos Aires, Entre Rios and Santa Fe...
Those places are some 1,000 miles away from Patagonia though...(Roughly the distance between Madrid and Cardiff if memory serves me right….)
Besides, the English masters of Patagonia during the XIX and early XX centuries didn't want unruly Jewish gauchos down here.....
They much preferred the docil Chilean huasos they could exploit at will...
Therefore, Jewish presence (past and present) in Patagonia is, for all practical purposes, negligible........

The pleasure is all on my side....
Regards...
El Think.
72 Briton (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 03:00 pm Report abuse
You don’t think-
Fiery Alicia Castro who sent the PM a groveling two-page letter of regret over her rude rant...'

Had anything to do with the foreign office wanting to be best buddies again had anything to do with it.???

Just a thought..
.
73 JimHandley (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 04:51 pm Report abuse
71 Think

Just a very last comment,

If you’ll pardon my pitiful cowpoke’s pun, ‘Of course, it’s always best to get one’s news straight from the horse’s mouth!’

However, regarding the distance between B.A. and Patagonia, it’s probably FARTHER between the Southern and Western cattle breading regions of the U.S. and Chicago. So perhaps you oughtn’t to be so terribly taxative in your assumption that the Jewish Gauchos never reached Patagonia. After all, those old pioneering people were really tough characters! And Messrs Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid manage make their way from the U.S to Patagonia, by one means or another.

And I’m still fascinate by the TRUE origin of those ‘baggy pants’...

Anyhow,

The Best of Luck!

Jim.
74 Anbar (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 05:01 pm Report abuse
“”“”“”““Argentina has expropriated the property of European companies, provides a safe haven for drug dealers bringing methamphetamine to Europe, is developing a strategic relationship with Iran, it deliberately falsifies its economic statistics, it refuses to abide by international court judgments and refuses to pay its debts to other nations and institutions and even refuses to honor the most basic laws of contracts.””“”“”

QFT
75 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 07:22 pm Report abuse
@ 74
An article about the Anglo-Soviet invasion and occupation of Iran, and how in those days the UK was developing a strategic relationship with the Soviet Union, and how they didn't care the Soviets were those filthy Comunists that the British now say they hate so much, and how the British hipocrisy works.
www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/timeline/factfiles/nonflash/a1130121.shtml
76 Conor J (#) Sep 15th, 2013 - 10:04 pm Report abuse
@75
You're not very bright are you? Ever heard the expression, “an enemy of my enemy is my friend?” Nazi Germany was a far bigger threat to humanity at the time then the USSR.
77 Stevie (#) Sep 16th, 2013 - 01:07 am Report abuse
Conor
I thought the expression was “the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend”...
But hey, the UK only has friends by convenience, so...
78 Steve-33-uk (#) Sep 16th, 2013 - 02:50 am Report abuse
“We must prepare to prevent a cyber war”
Chancellor with Lula and Dilma Defense Minister, Celso Amorim explained why South America needs a common vision based defense cooperation and the preservation of natural resources ~
... You mean the South Atlantic and the case of the Falklands in the South Atlantic?
-Well, it has to do with the South Atlantic. Our position on Falklands is well known and I have no need to repeat it. Always defended Argentina's rights and a negotiated solution. But the South Atlantic, beyond the very important issue of the Malvinas, has other major problems. There are key routes. Keys to Argentina, of course, but as defense minister of Brazil speak that a huge proportion of our foreign trade is on the Atlantic. And our oil suppliers, because we can not yet self-sufficiency and there are different types of crude oil, are Nigeria, Angola, Algeria ... Transportation in all cases passes through the South Atlantic. Also, as you know, Brazil has a very close relationship with Africa. It is a historical relationship that becomes more and more important, which leads us to have greater cultural and economic presence. All the more reason, then, to worry about the South Atlantic. Now, we want to ensure the safety of the South Atlantic just to the South Atlantic countries. From the geopolitical point of view of course the cooperation of the countries of the west coast of Africa and South American countries. All up the area of ​​the South Atlantic Peace. These days in Brazil will make very important seminar in Salvador, Bahia. The Argentina will participate with a lecturer. So we want to keep the South Atlantic as a zone of peace, cooperation, free of weapons of mass destruction...'
www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-229130-2013-09-16.html
79 Monkeymagic (#) Sep 16th, 2013 - 03:23 am Report abuse
Axel retard

The UN already does and always has recognised the right to self-determination of the islanders. You are either blind, retarded or just plain stupid.

The UN recognises the right to self-determination of ALL people's
The UN recognises and promotes the right to self-determination of all people of non-self governing territories
The UN GA removed the Argie proposed words of “except where a sovereignty dispute exists” from a resolution which confirmed the rights to self-determination.
The 1965 resolution (no longer relevant after your illegal invasion) said that the UN charter and the interests of the islands were paramount.

Tell me Axel...exactly how stupid are you. The referendum voted for nothing to change, and nothing has changed...LOL...what a mediocre cretin you are!!
80 Conor J (#) Sep 16th, 2013 - 04:51 am Report abuse
@77
Yeah much like Argentina eh? One minute they speak of Latam solidarity and brotherhood then they kick Uruguay in the arse when ether it suits them. Anyway you can't compare the likes of the WW2 to modern day girl fights between pathetic little SA nations like Uruguay and Argie-land.
81 Stevie (#) Sep 16th, 2013 - 05:34 am Report abuse
You are the one comparing, I'm just stating facts...
82 Conor J (#) Sep 16th, 2013 - 07:16 am Report abuse
@81
What facts would those be? Every relationship between countries on earth is for convenience. Your pathetic little wet dream os SA “brotherhood” is a ridicules as me speaking of European Brotherhood. Its a joke.
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84 Monkeymagic (#) Sep 16th, 2013 - 09:36 am Report abuse
Next year the Scottish people will self-determine their future.

This referendum will ask the Scottish people if Scotland should be an independent country.

According to axel arg...if the Scottish people vote “no”, and then Scotland remains part of the UK. the fact that the people of Scotland have voted for no change, and got no change is somehow a failure..

He is a weirdo!

The Falkland Islanders, much like the Scots, also had a chance to self-determine their future, and chose by enormous majority for nothing to change, and as axel arg notes..nothing has.

Should Scotland chose independence, or even to be a part of Norway or France or perhaps a state of a new European Superstate...fine...ITS THEIR CHOICE.

Should the Falkland Islanders chose independence or to be part of Argentina its THEIR CHOICE.

Certainly, it is not the choice of an “international outlier” and “disgraceful” country like Argentina to choose. Based on a made of claim of made up events in November 1832-january 1833.

The only Argentine who should have a say would be descendents of Esteban mestevier, the only ever Argentine appointed governor of the Falklands, murdered by his on men, and wife raped, a few days after landing.

As with the Falklands, the dirty war, the internation default (twice), the cowardice and deceit, these things Argentina should be ashamed and apologetic for...sadly, whilst imbeciles like Axel lap up their governments lies...they never will be.
85 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 16th, 2013 - 10:42 am Report abuse
Hey Mercopress, why isn't this news here? www.washingtonpost.com/local/police-search-for-active-shooter-on-grounds-of-washington-navy-yard-in-southeast-dc/2013/09/16/b1d72b9a-1ecb-11e3-b7d1-7153ad47b549_story.html
86 ChrisR (#) Sep 16th, 2013 - 12:10 pm Report abuse
@ 85 BOZO

Because it's got FA to do the the Falklands or The Dark Country you BOZO.

Your army wouldn't be able to scrape four rounds up between them by all accounts and if they could they would miss.

LOLs you BOZO
87 golfcronie (#) Sep 16th, 2013 - 01:28 pm Report abuse
@85
We do not hear much about shootings in BA do we? Because it is an every day occurrance and anyway the press is censured so we would not hear about it anyway.
88 Stevie (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 08:21 am Report abuse
Chris
But Gibraltar has not FA to do with South Atlantic, you mean?

Reality is, MP is so British biased one can easily differ news from propaganda.

Everything after .com being the latter...
89 Monkeymagic (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 09:00 am Report abuse
It appears British biased to you Stevie because you are a racist turd. You hatred and jealously blinds you to any rational thought. Hence the complete lack of any value to your posts.

However, your imbecilic ranting and ludicrous crap does keep us entertained so keep posting.
90 Stevie (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 09:27 am Report abuse
Monkey
I'm a racist? I hate?
Not at all, mate.
I love you lot. :)
You lot make my day every day! :)

And how is it I'm a racist? Is it because I don't join you lot in the praising of fascism as with Pinochet?
Or is it because I refuse to come with personal insults to counter your ones?

Big hugs from here :)
91 HansNiesund (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 10:19 am Report abuse
@90

The reason you're a racist Stevie, is that as you've clearly stated, you believe that some people in Southern America have lesser rights than the descendants of the Iberian conquistadors, because of their cultural and ethnic origin.
92 Stevie (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 10:22 am Report abuse
Again, you mean the Brits, don't you?
They don't have lesser rights than anybody, but their rights are in Britain, not in South America...
The Spaniards have their rights too, in Spain...
93 andy65 (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 11:46 am Report abuse
@Jim in Madrid,You need to calm down mate it sounds like Spanish austerity is getting to you.
94 Falkland Islands (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 01:02 pm Report abuse
@ stevie I find it hard to see the difference between spanish, Italians etc in SA and British in SA, tell me the difference, bet you can't without being racist.
95 Stevie (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 01:17 pm Report abuse
The Italians and Spaniards in SA are tourists, just like the Brits.
But we have loads of Argentinos, Brasileiros and Chilenos...
96 The Truth PaTroll (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 01:48 pm Report abuse
“MP” Smith,

It would trully help if the United Kingdom, (or even Europe, or the United States), had something “compelling” to offer in a hypothetical Argentina-UK/etc relationship.

Good day.
97 HansNiesund (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 06:39 pm Report abuse
@92

Thank you for confirming my point, racist.
98 Stevie (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
Hans
So now people are racist towards the British race (???) because they don't want you lot to invade their peace...

What rights are we talking about? To build a military base pointing the guns towards our continent? What happens when you lot run out of Middle Eastern nations to invade? You have a go at Africa? Or will those arms be used in another excuse?

And you call me a racist...
You lot aren't racists either, you just don't discriminate in your hatred...
99 A_Voice (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 08:36 pm Report abuse
What's wrong with disliking foreigners anyway?
History has shown that every time a foreigner turns up on your shores....they are either going to kill you, enslave you or steal everything from you...including your land!
It's a basic survival instinct!
It's difficult to wipe out thousands of years of social conditioning overnight....even as close as theWW2 and the Cold War people were told not to trust any foreigners!
100 HansNiesund (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
@98
I didn't say that. I said you believe that people of British descent have no right to live independently of their supposed Italo-Iberian conquistador masters in the Southern hemisphere. Fuck off with that. Racist.
101 Stevie (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
What? The only people of British descent DO live independetly already. In Uruguay, Argentina, Brazil, Chile...
In the islands there are no descendents, those are Brits...
I know they are.
They even voted so...
102 HansNiesund (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
I see you also have some difficulty understanding what 'independently' means.

You also seem to have some difficulties with the notion of 'descent', and that a vote for a form of government isn;t the same as a vote for a cultural identity.

Try looking some of that up when you look up 'racist', racist.
103 Stevie (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
Just look at our very own Sebastián Coates, Uruguayan of British descent. Whole his Family lives very independently in Uruguay...
As for the ones in the islands, those are Brits.

No?
104 Anbar (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
Why is it that whoever is manning Think's account, never does?
105 HansNiesund (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
@103

I know it's a thankless task, but would somebody else like to try explaining to this racist what 'independently' means, and why his insistence that what he calls 'Brits' in the South Atlantic have no right to an independent existence is racist.
106 Stevie (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
Are you telling me those I call 'Brits' in the South Atlantic really aren't so?
Interesting...

Please elaborate...
107 A_Voice (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 10:16 pm Report abuse
The Islanders consist of people from 60 different nations and just over half of them are actually British.....
just saying......
that's all.....
no sides.....I don't discriminate.....I hate everyone....
Yeah.....you too!....who the fcuk are you looking at?
108 Stevie (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
So does London, any particular reason it shoudn't belong to Pakistan?
109 A_Voice (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
....“So does London, any particular reason it shoudn't belong to Pakistan?”
???? that could be said for any city in the world.....what does that supposed to mean?....exactly

I don't see your point....
you said....“In the islands there are no descendents, those are Brits...
I know they are.
They even voted so...”

I said......just over half of them are actually British.....
so........”In the islands just over half of them are actually British.....
so those are not just Brits!
110 Stevie (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 11:24 pm Report abuse
And where did I say all of the islander were Brits?
My answer was merely a logical outcome to your input...
111 A_Voice (#) Sep 17th, 2013 - 11:40 pm Report abuse
......and where did I say I care?
The logical outcome to my input is.....almost half the people on the islands never had the right to vote...
112 Monkeymagic (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 05:29 am Report abuse
you see Stevie, you are racist..and youve proved it.

Youre view is that the ONLY acceptable outcome of an independance referendum is independence.

The islanders are MORE South American/Atlantic than the Brazillians, Chileans, Uruguayians...because they didnt steal their land from an indigenous population.

It is their land and they are happy to associate themselves with Britain..and who can blame them Stevie?

I note your continued racism about pakistanis in London...who are a tiny minority of ther London population...yet more racism Stevie.

You disgrace yourself daily...Poor Stevie
113 Escoses Doido (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 06:05 am Report abuse
@107:
So ye admit the Islanders are not an 'implanted Population' Syne?
114 HansNiesund (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 09:08 am Report abuse
@106

It doesn't matter whether they are Brits, Hottentots, Martians or Smurfs. What you have been saying is that they don't have the same rights as others in the hemisphere, because of their ethnic and/or cultural background. Fuck off with that. Racist.
115 Stevie (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 10:24 am Report abuse
Hans
I stated it before and I do it again.
Brits have NIO RIGHT to invade our peace with their war-mongering military close to our coast.
If that makes me a racism in your eyes, well, I couldn't really care less...
116 HansNiesund (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 11:13 am Report abuse
Stevie, go read a proper history book and you might discover just who exactly has been war-mongering down there. Consider in particular a) the number of British forces present before 1982 b) the number of British forces present immediately after 1982 and c) the number of British forces present now.

Otherwise it's no big deal that you're a racist and a Latam cultural imperialist, lots of other posters on here are too. You just look a little silly with it up there on your white horse.
117 Stevie (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 11:54 am Report abuse
Hans
I've looked it up
Pre -82: Too many.
Post -82: Too many.
Today: Too many.

I'm sitting here thinking the same about you lot and your fascist posts...
118 HansNiesund (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 12:03 pm Report abuse
117

Good for you. We can't have you questioning the lies and bullshit put about by your racist Latam cultural imperialist peers. Then you might not fit in any more.
119 Stevie (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 12:07 pm Report abuse
Hans
Don't blame the caucasian race for your flaws.

I don't.
120 HansNiesund (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
I guess it's because you're a racist that you've made this racist assumption that I belong to a particular race? And I guess it's because you're a racist that you think the race I belong to is relevant to what I'm saying? That's awfully racist of you, but we've come to expect that, especially since you confirm it every time you reach for the keyboard.
121 Stevie (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 12:27 pm Report abuse
Wait a minute...
Now I get it!
You think I'm bothered by you calling me racist...

Hahahahaha

You lot are fascists, and if that doesn't bother me, much less so does the incoherent drivel that you lot come up with...

;)
122 HansNiesund (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 12:32 pm Report abuse
That's OK. If you're comfortable now being an admitted racist then at least it means you've developed a smidgeon of self-awareness. Congratulations.
123 Stevie (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 12:41 pm Report abuse
Nah, I'm only a racist in your (lots) eyes, which is perfectly OK, as that would mean I'm a good person...

Using your logic, does your argumentation mean you are an admitted fascist?

Darn...

Well, congrats to you too...
124 HansNiesund (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 12:49 pm Report abuse
And of course only a genuine Latam cultural imperialist and racist could possibly be upset that a tiny, faraway population of a different ethnicity has the means to defend itself against its would be conquistador masters.
125 Stevie (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 12:53 pm Report abuse
Well, as you proved yourself, we are merely defending ourselves from admitted fascists...
126 HansNiesund (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 01:03 pm Report abuse
@125
Sure you are. In the same way political dissidents always used to be hitting your policemen in the boot with their testicles.
127 Stevie (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 01:11 pm Report abuse
Yup, like Mitrione
2 testicles in the neck, courtesy of Gallego Mas Mas

;)
128 JimHandley (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 03:00 pm Report abuse
98 Stevie,

Re: “British invasion of YOUR peace”:

Your vaingloriously presumptuous assertion is utterly ludicrous!!!

What PEACE de enjoy? when…

Every ‘informed’ person knows that Argentinean’s Fascist regime runs one of the world’s biggest food exporting nations, yet leaves those such as its indigenous northern peoples to suffer severe malnutrition. Of course, Fernández de Kirchner and her crooked cohorts’ government are not the world’s only ‘high minded moral fraudsters’ who couldn’t care less about their ‘undeserving, unwashed serfs’ pathetic plight. The attitude of the ruling elite in places as diverse as, China, Guatemala, Paraguay, Peru, Russia & many others, is equally odious.

A U.S. gov’t report recently cited by Merco Press, says that more than ever of that country’s citizens, including millions of minors, subsist below the poverty line.

Judging by the ever increasing number of the U.K.’s Food Banks, extreme working-class hardship in Greece, Portugal, Spain, etc., etc., we in Europe certainly cannot afford to be complacent. And it’s better not to even mention the predicament of the Third World’s children.

Meanwhile, the world’s wealthiest ten percent, continue profiting from the ‘CRISIS’ and are richer than ever!!!

All this sounds like cheap, pedantic rhetoric. Perhaps it is. BUT IT’S ALSO ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!!

So instead of alleviating your deep-seated inferiority complexes by exchanging so many asinine, schoolyard insults, perhaps some of you lads should spend a little time in the countries and regions I’ve named, get to know their inhabitants and learn to see things through the eyes of others. For the longer we the masses continue to be brainwashed by the Popular Media, the longer we shall be manipulatively governed to suit the Multinational Big Bankers’ self-serving whims!!!

Cheers!

Jim, in Madrid.
129 Stevie (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 03:06 pm Report abuse
Jim

Nice rant!

I'm Uruguayan...

And regardless of my origins, Brits needs to go home.
130 Conor J (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
@129
I will respond to you in this manner:- South American Logic mixed with actual Humour and genuine fairness.

Tell you what lets strike a deal, if we relocate all Falkland Islanders back to old Britain, then you have to dismantle your illegal colonial states and all residents of those states must relinquish all their holdings to people with predominately indigenous decent, all citizens of South America must then trace there roots back to their nearest home nation in the old world, move there and that way we have total colonial fairness.

If the Falkland Islanders have to go for their colonial inheritance, then so do you. Back to Europa you must go, back to the old world where you belong.

In fact if we are honest the Falkland islanders have 100x the right to stay as they built their home on uninhabited land.
131 Stevie (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
That's a discussion we can have as soon as the war-mongering Brits return to their soil...
132 HansNiesund (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
@131

To hell with the poor, eh Stevie?

Ethnic cleansing must be a much more satisfying cause for a good Latam cultural imperialist and racist such as yourself. It's a shame Milosevic has checked out, but have you thought about maybe providing a home for the likes of Karadzic and Mladic like your predecessors did for some like-minded folks back in the 1940s?
133 JimHandley (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
129 Stevie.

Re: “Brits should go home”:

I’ts a good thing that you cunningly elected to EXCEPT your own ethnic origin (JOKE!) ‘cos maybe you should think of shipping all your capital city’s inhabitants back here to Spain? For Montevideo was founded by settlers from the Canary Islands and they did so, A LONG TIME AFTER THE BRITISH ARRIVED IN THE FALKLANDS!!!

Frankly, I fail to see why the Falklanders –who have as much (and as little) right to be on the continent as any other non-indigenous peoples (who invaded America from Asia, anyway)–, should succumb to their huge neighbour’s greedy imperial ambitions.

Most politically aware Latin Americans, to whom I talk, agree that Argentina has long been feared– not only as the regional superpower– but as one with an obvious, expansionist agenda, too. And YOU above all, must SURELY know that if Fernández de Kirchner thought that she could invade and conquer Uruguay without risking too many ‘inconvenient’ international repercussions, she’d do so, tomorrow.

And you must also know that in spite of the recent, much trumpeted talk of LatAm solidarity, there’s scant chance of turning the rhetoric into reality –not least because of the longstanding distrust and enmity which exists between counties such as Chile, Bolivia, Peru and others, as the result of yet unforgotten, 19th century wars, some of which also involved Argentina.

Naturally, the British gov’t and its Banker backers know all this too. And the only thing that’s likely to modify their policy toward S. America is the prospect of making MONEY, the easier and the less ethically, the better.

Personally, I reckon we’re ALL fighting the WRONG enemy...

Cheers!

Jim.
134 Stevie (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 05:24 pm Report abuse
But Jim, of course they are free to stay.
I never said that the islanders should go home, they are already home.

I said send the Brits home...
135 Think (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 05:42 pm Report abuse
(133) JimHandley

I hope you don’t mind if I modify a bit your above paragraph to better fit the Argentinean strategy in respect of the “Malvinas Issue”…..:
“Naturally, the British gov’t and its Bankster backers know all this too. And the only thing that’s likely to modify their policy toward S. America is the prospect of losing MONEY, the quickest and the most aching, the better.”

Cheers.....
El Think.
136 Conor J (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 05:43 pm Report abuse
@131/134
Deflect, deflect and deflect! Typical SA logic, when challenged with a completely sound argument you run into the ground! Thanks for proving for me that you Colonially implanted thieves on indigenous land (still going by your logic remember) are nothing but liars cowards and hypocrites.
137 HansNiesund (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
@133, @135

The point you are missing is that the first instinct of politicians is not money, it is survival.

And the irony is that Arjuntina's witless pursuit of its Malvinista delusion has made the Falklands a survival issue for any British government. The money will continue to be spent as long as this endures.

Thank you Argentina, for keeping the Falklands British.
138 ChrisR (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 06:33 pm Report abuse
134 Stevie

Your home is in Sweden.

My home is in Uruguay.

I am very disappointed with this nonsense about fascism and you not being concerned that your response is clearly that of a fascist.

Perhaps, as a Brit, you want me to “go home” as well?
139 JimHandley (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
Re: Indigenous rights and whatnot.

For: 134 Stevie.

Re: “Send the Brits home”:

But the KELPERS WISH TO BE BRITISH, so it’s not for anyone else to alter, prescribe nor proscribe, the terms of their freely elected national affiliation.

For: 137 HansNiesund:

Re: “Politicians’ first instinct is survival”:

You make an interesting but debatable point. However, I should think that their number one priority would be that of the universal implementation of their megalomaniacal muse of absolute power, and –that, having first established their uncontested hegemony– their survival as top dogs would come in as a close second. But perhaps you’re right?

Re: “Indigenous peoples’ rights”

At the risk of being too terribly reiterative, may I remind those who persist in thundering-on about this matter that –as far as can be scientifically ascertained– the Amerindians INVADED AMERICA from their previous homes in ASIA. And that ever since our primitive ancestors first sallied forth from AFRICA, mass migration has been an almost constant factor in human history...

Cheers!

Jim.
140 Briton (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 07:54 pm Report abuse
Come, come gentlemen
We could pick holes in every net,

We are in fact all foreigners, when you consider we all came from east Africa,
Mmmm
Having said that, they say china is a completely different species.
But it really depends on what you believe in,
Now according to the experts on the galactica

We all come from the original 13 colonies out of kobor
Or of course the aliens who came and built the pyramids,

Still,
To some, they don’t care who you are, or where you come from,
The sun gods insist your head will come of, and roll baby, just roll.

Lighten up gentlemen..lololol.

.
141 Stevie (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 08:12 pm Report abuse
Jim
If the islanders wish to stay Brits, it's not a problem an air carrier couldn't handle...
142 JimHandley (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 08:14 pm Report abuse
For: 140 Briton:

Re: “The Chinese are a different species”

As far as this ol’ idiot is aware, that hypothesis was proven to erroneous, quite a long while ago. Maybe you’d do better to keep up-to-date with the ‘literature’, rather than trying to be clever. For your vacuous, feigned frivolity merely makes you appear foolish, Mate.

In simple words, if you lack the elemental wit to say summat of worth –KINDLY SHUT THE F*CK UP!!!

Cheers!

Jim.
143 Stevie (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
Chris
Not at all, stay as long as you wish as British tourist or Uruguayan by right of life.
But tell me Uruguay is British and introduce British troops and I'll show you a shortcut to Carrasco, no hills interfering...
144 Briton (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 08:23 pm Report abuse
well you are a nasty little toad aint you,

why you always insult,
why people like you cant be more enlightend, insted of being old farts all the time,

but hey,
if i look foolish,and silly for trying to lighten the mood,

then what does that make you, for being an old fart and insulting,

so go ahead jim insult away, be rude,
be nasty,
but id rather be foolish and enlightend.
laugh out loud..lol
145 JimHandley (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
For: 144 Briton

I must tell you that it’s a great pleasure to insult cretins such as you.

I resent your having ascribed to yourself the title of BRITON, in a blatant attempt to commandeer sole ownership of our joint heritage, ‘cos you obviously wouldn’t recognize a REAL member of our race, if he were to jump up and bight a huge hole in your useless arse!!!

So rather than continue to “Cast my pearls before swine”, I prefer to take the occasional diversion in winding up W*NKERS of your ilk!!!

Cheers!

Jim.
146 Briton (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 08:49 pm Report abuse
Jim/jim/
18 JimHandley
But the frequent gratuitous, tedious tirades over laden with inane insults one reads here, CERTAINLY DO seem to needlessly upset so many of us –simply to pander to immature instincts of tiny yet vociferous, mindless minority.
And you obviously enforce to your own words, but you probably forgot what you say,

But don’t worry old boy, forgetfulness gets to us all in the end..
Being abusive seems to be common amongst some elder citizens
But don’t worry, young Briton will guide you in the way of enlightenment,
For it is better to be foolish making light of rudeness by some,
Rather than being old, nasty, and impolite, like some. Geriatric old sad people with a grudge against the world..

dont worry jim,
we all now know how you live a sad life..lol
147 HansNiesund (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 09:02 pm Report abuse
@143

Paranoid anglophobia is of course one of the main supports of the latinofascists.
148 Stevie (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
... and selective vision is a major indication one is on tilt mode...
149 Briton (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
Well
I think Henry Smith was correct,
It is ‘disgraceful’ how argentine leaders have treated the people of the Falkland s
And we should always be on hand to help and protect them, as long as we possibly can..

.
150 JimHandley (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
For: 146 Briton.

Re: “Rather than being old, nasty, and impolite, like some. Geriatric old sad people with a grudge against the world...” et cetera:

Good try, Mate. But what a pity for you that you don’t know if I’m also black, blind, crippled or suffering from another physical or mental singularity, affliction or deformity. Cos if I were, you’d have the perfect vantage point from which to try denigrate my opinions, WITHOUT having to bother to SERIOUSLY address the matter in dispute.

As far as I see, you’re digging yourself ever deeper into a great intellectual pit of your own making. So don’t bother to reply –I’ve had more than enough of your vacant claptrap.

Cheers!

Jim.
151 ChrisR (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
@ 127 Stevie
“Yup, like Mitrione”

In July 1970 Dan Mitrione, an American policeman on loan to the Uruguayan security forces, and Aloisio Gonide, the Brazilian consul in Uruguay, were kidnapped and held for ransom. When the government refused to parley with the Tupamaros, they killed Mitrione, a move that was to cost them considerable public support.“

I think history has shown that the Tupo were nother more than a gang of idiots who started off well enough but lost it. They were killed or fled and left the Military in charge which must have been the worst scenario possible for the poor people you claim needed social inclusion; they had even less than before the Tupos stuck their oar in. And who started the Tupos: a semi literate ”law student” who practised law without a degree. He wasn't an argie like Pepe was he?

@ 143 Stevie

But even if I did what could you do ensconced in Sweden?

And if you were here after me you wouldn't know where I was until the rifle bullet killed you.
152 Stevie (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 10:22 pm Report abuse
www.theassassinatedpress.com/adi2.htm

“Mitrione was an OPS officer for the USAID who presided over numerous sessions of torture and murder and expanded kidnapping and torture techniques instructing, supplying and encouraging the Uruguyan military and police to use such techniques to wipe out egalitarian and indigenous movements. Nealon makes no mention of Mitrione's bloody role much less the US's brutal role in propping and up and supporting a murderous authoritarian regime in Uruguay.”

And you Sir, are parrotting Nealon.
153 HansNiesund (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 06:25 am Report abuse
@152

Isn't it amazing how there was never any indigenous Latam fascist authoritarianism, it was all brought down by North Americans. And here we have just one bloke who somehow managed to corrupt an entire country.

Look in the mirror, Stevie.
154 Stevie (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 06:53 am Report abuse
Oh we had plenty, Bordaberry (died in prison), Pacheco Areco, the death squads (tupas got 3 of them in one day, although it did mean the end).

All friends of Mitrione...
155 Briton (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 08:37 am Report abuse
150 JimHandley
As far as I see, you’re digging yourself ever deeper into a great intellectual pit of your own making. So don’t bother to reply –I’ve had more than enough of your vacant claptrap.

Cheers!
.
156 José Malvinero (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 05:58 pm Report abuse
Henry puto

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