Wednesday, September 18th 2013 - 21:33 UTC

Malvinas: Uruguay also considers it has historic sovereignty rights over the Islands

Uruguay has founded claims over Malvinas Islands sovereignty based on international treaties and proclamations dating back to the nineteenth and eighteenth centuries, according to a paper put to consideration of the ruling coalition program draft committee, it was revealed by the Montevideo press.

Senator Moreira, belongs to the same political group as president Mujica and appeals to the 1841 Spain/Uruguay treaty

The document of limited circulation, and belonging to the Defence ministry orbit, was signed by Senator Constanza Moreira who belongs to Uruguayan President Jose Mujica’s political sector and calls for the naming of a committee to study Uruguay’s rights over the Malvinas Islands sovereignty.

Senator Moreira who is a political scientist and historian, and a 2014 presidential pre-candidate says the committee should be made up of historians, geography experts, jurists, diplomats, politicians and military officers, and recalls that Uruguay’s presence in Antarctica as a member of the Antarctic Treaty is based “on the Spain-Uruguay Treaty of 1841 which awards Uruguay sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands”.

In effect Montevideo was the main Spanish empire naval bastion in the south Atlantic, and as such in reiterated proclamations was tasked with the responsibility of patrolling the South Atlantic, its insular territories and ensuring the free passage to and from the Pacific to the Atlantic Ocean along the Magellan strait.

Several of the proclamations refer to the fact that the Spanish navy must be on the outlook of the ‘English pirates’ that poach his “Spanish majesty empire waters”.

Strangely enough the report was leaked in coincidence with the launching of a book “Uruguayan visions of the Malvinas” a compilation of different articles by Uruguayan jurists, diplomats and politicians with a foreword from Defence minister Eleuterio Fernandez Huidobro, who happens to be one of the most trusted aides of President Mujica.

The compilation was done by Ramiro Podetti, an expert in foreign affairs who for years was head of the Argentine embassy press office in Montevideo.

 

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1 Stevie (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 09:46 pm Report abuse
Proposed pre-candidate, MP. Not pre-candidate yet, should Vazquez not fail to keep his FA-yuta smile on...

This claim is ought to be funny :)

Talk about being in the right place at the right time.

How is it you Guys say?

chuckle chuckle?
2 HansNiesund (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 09:46 pm Report abuse
Is nobody in Latin America able to grasp that it is no longer a question of who had the best claim two centuries ago?
3 Pirate Love (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
Can ALL claims please form an orderly que behind......
SELF-DETERMINATION .
4 GFace (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
@1 While all of these neo-colonialist/imperialist claims that reject the UN-enshrined self-determination of the islanders who have made their wishes darned-well clear ARE a joke... Funny? Not so much.
5 José Malvinero (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 10:23 pm Report abuse
Beyond that our Uruguayan brothers are delirious, ha ha, now it would add a claim for Uruguay to english usurpers of Argentinas Malvinas Islands.
Anyway, would not surprise me a hushed british maneuver around this ...
6 Brasileiro (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
And Uruguay belongs Brazil, so Malvinas belongs Brazil too! Olá brasileiros-pinguins!
7 Stevie (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
Brasileiro
What? You lot owe us Southern Brazil, them too drink mate and speak excellent portuñol!!
Not mentioning our home stadium in Maracaná...

;)
8 rupertbrooks0 (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 10:48 pm Report abuse
Well you have to laugh. This however is not a new story but is several years old. Uruguayan architect Juan Ackermann and the Argentine engineer Alfredo Villegas Oromí, published a book on this some time ago. My brief internet research does however suggest that the “treaty” of 1841 wasn’t actually ratified.

Uruguay did sign a recognition treaty with Spain in 1882. However by this time not only had Spain recognised British sovereignty with an official visit to the islands for 6 weeks in the Spring of 1863, but Britain had a claim, never rescinded, dating from 25th January 1765. This was again recognised by Spain in the early 1870's, with a signed and ratified treaty.

It could be (weakly) argued that the true successor to the Falklands was not Argentina but Uruguay. Uruguay did not secede from the United Provinces until 1828. The orders demanding that the last governor of Port Soledad to withdraw from the islands came from Montevideo, not Buenos Aires. It was Montevideo to which the last garrison withdrew too. According to Uruguayan writer Crawford it was the Spanish “Navy of Montevideo from “its Malvinas base which exercised authority over the island, plus lands to the south and over everything in the surrounding waters to 30 leagues of them “ This contrasts with the false Argentine claim that the islands were part of the Vice-royalty of Rio Plata, which they never were.

All this is of course of academic interest only since the current inhabitants have rights under the UN charter which take precedence over any historical claim, especially ones nearly 2 centuries old.
9 Conor J (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 10:57 pm Report abuse
Latin American Brotherhood.........no?
10 Brasileiro (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 11:09 pm Report abuse
@ 7
Please!
11 Stevie (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 11:24 pm Report abuse
Conor
Of course there will only be Latin American brotherhood, the Brasileiros will never hand over Maracaná...

We'll just have to go for it again -14...
12 Brasileiro (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 11:28 pm Report abuse
Uruguay? Never more! hahahahahaha
13 Anglotino (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 11:33 pm Report abuse
That's it guys! Starting fighting amongst yourselves.

The Falkland Islands will keep calm and pirate on.
14 Stevie (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 11:35 pm Report abuse
Brasileiro
Uruguay knows something Brazil doesn't.

How it's like to win a World Cup in Maracaná...

Pingüinos Orientales! Join us and we'll defend ourselves against the Brasilian menace. Forget the Brits, United we are..... few...
15 Brasileiro (#) Sep 18th, 2013 - 11:35 pm Report abuse
I am comment in El Pais too. My name is Patriota.

internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2013/09/18/actualidad/1379466923_325234.html
16 Escoses Doido (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 12:10 am Report abuse
Well done Uruguay.

So that means argentina's claims get even weaker!!

RALMFAO - Seriously, well done Uruguay.

Not sure if the intention was to support argentina or not, but you have Fcuked them royally with this story....
17 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 12:24 am Report abuse
This is not new, Mercopress www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9839202/Falklands-belong-to-Uruguay-not-Argentina.html
18 Escoses Doido (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 12:30 am Report abuse
Hope this isn't going to turn in to a SA Muppet Show..............
19 GFace (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 12:35 am Report abuse
@18 No but it is looking like a game of soccer played by a bunch of 5-year olds (aka “swarmball”)

@17 heck, I remember the Uruguayan claims in nineteen-freakin-eigthty-two. And the Islands are still where they rightfully belong -- in the hands of the Islanders.
20 Malvinense 1833 (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 02:30 am Report abuse
chuckle chuckle, @5 José: yes, your name is DICK SAWLE.
21 Britishbulldog (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 03:12 am
Comment removed by the editor.
22 Lord Ton (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 03:50 am Report abuse
Apparently the 1841 Treaty was never ratified.

“Aunque las relaciones entre Espana y Uruguay se habian indicado en 1841 con firma de un Tratado de Paz, Amistad, Comercio y Navegacion, la no ratificacion del mismo dio lugar a un periodo de enorme inestabilidad hasta el 26 de marzo de 1845, cuando se firmo otro Tratado de Paz y Amistad, que fue sustiuido en 1846 por en nuevo Tratado de Reconocimiento de la Independencia de Uruguay y de Paz y de Amistad.” (Pereira 2004)
23 Escoses Doido (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 05:04 am Report abuse
Aye, - Nae winner.

Mechty god aye, Cum en ti I boady 'o' I kirk Uruguay.
24 Stevie (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 05:37 am Report abuse
21
Your women says you promised them the same but nothing ever happens...
25 brasherboot (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 06:00 am Report abuse
HMS Dauntless is able to annihilate all the airforces of South America.

Is Uruguay 'brave' enoigh to join Argentine expeditionary forces?
26 LEPRecon (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 06:38 am Report abuse
Uruguay's claim is marginally better than Argentina's, but none of them will ever overturn the right to self-determination, short of world war III causing a major shift in power and policy.

But preventing world war III is the only really successful thing the UN has ever managed to do, so I'm afraid our South American friends imperialist colonial expansionist ambitions will never be fulfilled.
27 CJvR (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 07:26 am Report abuse
Ahhh!
The stupidity is contagious!!!
28 Monkeymagic (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 08:07 am Report abuse
I agree that the Uruguayian claim is FAR FAR FAR STRONGER than the Argentine claim.

The Spanish settlers who left the islands in 1811 went to Montevideo to fight the Buenos Aires uprising, there is no doubt as to their allegience or that if Spain had passed its claim to anyone (which is far from clear) it would be uruguay.

Also, Uruguay being part of the united provinces have inheritted any spurious jewitt/Vernet nonsense in equal measure to Argentina.

Uruguay has also never attacked the islands and only given lip service to any economic blockade.

However, although many many times stronger than the Argentine claim, both are significantly weaker than the universal right to self determination.

The only thing that weakens Uruguays claim is that the resident Uruguayan on these boards is a thick racist turd...aren't you Stevie?
29 Stevie (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 08:36 am Report abuse
Dunno, you tell me, what race would that be?
30 Brit Bob (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 08:56 am Report abuse
@16. Yes. Divide and conquer. Both Argentina and Uruguay will look ridiculous as the rest of the world will come to realise that South American politics is bonkers. This is great news for the Falkland Islanders!
31 Briton (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 09:08 am Report abuse
As long as Uruguay does not now invade the islands, we might just get away with it,

Who’s next we wonder, Ecuador , Cuba perhaps..lol
All this competition for CFK is not so cool.
.
32 Monkeymagic (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 09:25 am Report abuse
@31

Probably Chile has a claim too. In that in 1833 it was by far the closest South American country, and also some sort of ethnic patagonian alliance could also make a claim, although they would probably make a claim on their “real” homeland first.

Can of worms when you start ignoring self-determination..LOL
33 Briton (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 09:27 am Report abuse
very true,.
34 Britworker (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 09:57 am Report abuse
It is very useful to have competing claims on the islands in south america, it muddies the waters and presents an incoherent picture.

Never the less, it is all academic now. Everyone knows full well that the only way any south american will get their grubby hands on the Falklands is to take them by war. They just have the little problem of getting past the Royal Navy first.

Game set and match :-)
35 Iron Man (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 11:00 am Report abuse
Uruguay? No chance. Argentina just has to look in their direction and they roll over and play dead. CFK will stamp her foot and that will be that.
36 malicious bloke (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 11:06 am Report abuse
Ah Uruguay. You are totally unprepared to take on this task.

You don't have a proper song and child-indoctrination program, a self-contradictory fake history about a fictitious colony OR a war you still celebrate on your money while claiming you didn't start.

Get your lies in order and maybe we'll start taking you seriously.
37 GALlamosa (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 11:27 am Report abuse
Aaah well tha's all right, we quite like the Uruguayans, and they have never tried to steal our Islands by force. Come down and see us sometime and we'll talk it over.
38 Musky (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 11:28 am Report abuse
@34 Britworker
totally agree. I welcome this claim because Argentina has two fight on two fronts and Spain's foreign minister Senior Marshmallow has decided whether his worthless support is better spent supporting Argentin or Uruguay.. but fighting amongst themselves is better than troubling us!
39 Room101 (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 11:48 am Report abuse
This “claim” of Uruguay is false, and outdated. The Falklands belong to me- I've just drawn up a paper to that effect. dated as of today.
40 Briton (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 11:58 am Report abuse
Does this mean,
spain can try as well .lol
41 Iron Man (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 12:44 pm Report abuse
@40 good point but why not go further? If Spain and Argentina are happy to tear up old treaties, why doesn't Spain just take Argentina back?

As if they don't have enough problems.
42 Vestige (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 12:56 pm Report abuse
I wonder, if Senator Moreira makes it to president (or if her fellow candidates play the same card), will S.America move one more step to being effectively be closed off to camp falklands vacation village ?

If she makes it to pres the campers may have to be most accommodating for any dealings with Chile. Africa is ..... well, lets just say its not very close.
43 nerosaxo (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 01:09 pm Report abuse
Reckon they sold off their 'Rights' in 1965. EVERYTHING was on 'Special Offer' LOL
44 El capitano (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
Haw haw haw...I mean cmon now...Haw haw haw...This really is so very Haw haw haw...I mean I cant stop haw haw haw..I cant ..haw haw haw...Oh dear I must get a grip,but it really is..haw haw haw...!!
45 Conqueror (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 02:06 pm Report abuse
@1, 5, 6, 7 Don't you worry, girlies. We're ready to shoot. And missile. And torpedo. And bomb. And depth charge. Still hoping that shit floats, are you? Ever seen a nuclear air-burst a quarter of a mile above the surface? Silly me. Of course you haven't. If you had, it would have been the last thing you would have ever seen. Do try to understand that the United Kingdom maintains nuclear weaponry for a reason? It's so that we can turn jumped-up arseholes into radioactive ash. Anyone need argieland? Anyone need uruguay? So let's just remove the “counters” from the board. Once the bacterial shite has been removed, the land is OURS!
46 MrFlagpole (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 02:08 pm Report abuse
You sort it out amongst yourselves and we'll play the winner.
47 GFace (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 02:32 pm Report abuse
@45 Jeeze Louise, Conq. Talk about a disproportionate response! Wouldn't a bored and annoyed eye roll in their general direction from a single teenaged islander be more than a sufficient deterrent for these clowns?
48 redp0ll (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 03:09 pm Report abuse
Definitely a a casus belli. If you invade us kelpers,best do it before Xmas or at least before you have to pay high season prices in Punta
49 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
Everything's fine in “the first world” online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323808204579083250005557232.html
50 nerosaxo (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
WOW! I see an increase in tourists. Extremely Optimistic claimants surveying a Booming Economy.
51 Escoses Doido (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
@44:
Capitano, you still haven't shared with everybody why you, a Seventy odd year old Dane. (first went to sea on a Grimsby Trawler in 1959 remember)

has an interest in the goings on in the South Atlantic via Mercopress.

Which one of the trolls are you today?
52 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 03:38 pm Report abuse
Craziness among the British okupas.
53 golfcronie (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
@52
No. We are laughing because of the so called solidarity of the Latam countries, you really couldn't make this up. WE ARE TAKING THE PISS YOU CRETIN.
54 Steve-33-uk (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 05:21 pm Report abuse
'Legislator denies Malvinas Uruguayan proposal - Sen. Constanza Moreira denied information provided by the newspaper El Pais and which promotes lawmaker said the possibility that the Falklands are Uruguayan...'
espanol.upi.com/Politica/2013/09/19/Legisladora-desmiente-propuesta-sobre-Malvinas-uruguayas/UPI-15171379585319/

“Demand for Nicaragua to Colombia is inappropriate, unfriendly and reckless” Santos - The Head of State added that it is “a claim without any chance of success,” the end of the tour to exercise sovereignty in the Caribbean Sea...'
www.caracol.com.co/noticias/actualidad/demanda-de-nicaragua-contra-colombia-es-improcedente-inamistosa-y-temeraria-santos/20130918/nota/1973785.aspx
55 HansNiesund (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 06:35 pm Report abuse
@54
“Legislator denies Malvinas Uruguayan proposal” : reads to me like she actually confirmed it.
56 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
@ 55 “reads to me like she actually confirmed it.”: reads to me like you actually don't understand Spanish.
57 HansNiesund (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
@56
Is there or is there not a document in which it is proposed to study Uruguay's claim to the Falklands?
58 golfcronie (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
@39
Sorry to disapoint you but I have a letter the day before you giving ME ( golfcronie ) all the mineral rights in perpetium. ( Forever )
59 AMGVVV (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 07:27 pm Report abuse
The headline is not correct. It's not Uruguay that considers to have rights over the Falklands. It's just a bunch of stupid and irresponsible ex-terrorists who are trying to be noticed.
60 HansNiesund (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
> It's just a bunch of stupid and irresponsible ex-terrorists who are trying to be noticed.

You've got some of them in Argentina too, no?
61 ChrisR (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
I see an opportunity here!

The vast majority of Uruguayo are completely fed up with Pepe and his Marxist nit-wits “running” the country.

I know a lot of them admire how the Falklands are run: why not offer a reverse takeover with the FIG governing Uruguay as well! Got to be a goer that one!

Just watch out for Stevie, if he ever makes it back from Sweden and his USD 150,000 PA for six months work! (1 month ON, 1 month OFF, SOP for a RSV in the North Sea). He has promised to do nasty things to me if the British ever come and take charge in Uruguay: I have promised him a 0.243 Winchester 95 gn BTBT clocking 3,250 fps where the sun don't shine.

LOLs
62 Stevie (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
Just don't start killing people out of paranoia now, old man. I'd never hurt you, you are too old. And the British will never take charge of Uruguay, they would have 3.5 million Tupamaros kicking them out...

Why is it you are so interested in my paycheck?
63 Fido Dido (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
Stevie,
Uruguay WAS Brazilian territory, not the otherway arround. BTW, through farming, the Brazilians are conquering you again.
Uruguay's national team is weak and still needs to qualify.
Holland will kick you out of the world cup, again :D, and play the finals against Brazil at Maracana...where Uruguay HAD success, long time ago, but far away from reality, compare to the national team you have today :D
64 LuisM (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
Argentinian claim over the Falkland islands is sooo weak that I won't be surprised if Brasil, Spain and even Uruguay can find a better claim.

As an uruguayan I believe the uruguayan claim is the best. Of course.

But Uruguay is very unlikely to try to enforce such a claim, we have no the sheer power and we don't have the kind of mind needed to try to force people against their will.

For the islanders, a formal claim from Uruguay might be a good thing. Next time Argentina voice it's claim they can say “Wait! we must settle the uruguayan issue first. Go to the international court and waste a few decades arguing there before claiming the islands again”.
It's like a silly game.
65 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 19th, 2013 - 10:42 pm Report abuse
@ 64 You're not here as an Uruguayan you're here as something else, who knows what.
66 Troy Tempest (#) Sep 20th, 2013 - 02:18 am Report abuse
65TIT

You're here as something else, too.

“Who knows what?”
67 El capitano (#) Sep 20th, 2013 - 04:37 am Report abuse
51 Escoses Doido (#)
Lol @....... Senorita Dildo...you are indeed a lunatic....!!
68 St.John (#) Sep 20th, 2013 - 04:47 am Report abuse
Get used to it: Both Americas belong to the Danish queen, dating back to when the first Europeans settled around year 1002 :-D
69 Troy Tempest (#) Sep 20th, 2013 - 05:16 am Report abuse
67

Sure thing, “old Ben Gunn”
70 RICO (#) Sep 20th, 2013 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
Uruguay will do well to remember that Argentina has many powerful warships in port that it could use to back up its claims.

It would take very little to scuttle them in Montevideo harbour, blocking the cities trade.
71 LuisM (#) Sep 20th, 2013 - 03:16 pm Report abuse
@ 70 How nice, a bully! So you didn't care about the validity of the uruguayan claim? And you are ready to use your “warships” (mostly trashed by other countries.) You are an ambitious person that care not about truth, law or justice.
72 redp0ll (#) Sep 20th, 2013 - 03:35 pm Report abuse
@70 RICO pobre. Is that a threat to back up your DEMANDS? You forget that the dredged channels to the Parana and the port of Buenos Aires are narrow. An unfortunate accident to a ship which sinks and blocks the channels? Not our fault of course and our profoudest condolences for your misfortune. But as Snotty from Mendoza has stated Argentina doesnt need external trade anyway so it wouldnt be much loss
73 Conqueror (#) Sep 20th, 2013 - 05:11 pm Report abuse
@47 Not really. Because the Falkland Islands doesn't have the military capability to defeat argieland. On the other hand, Britain has the ability to defeat and destroy argieland. I don't have a problem with destroying belligerent genocides. There is nothing in argieland worth retaining. Criminals, war criminals, slugs. Kill the lot.
74 Pete Bog (#) Sep 20th, 2013 - 09:55 pm Report abuse
@64
“and we don't have the kind of mind needed to try to force people against their will”

Nice one LuisM-you understand PERFECTLY what the Argentines will never understand in a million years.

When the British attempted to bypass Falkland Islander opinion, that didn't work either.

The UK has since learned from that and changed, while Argentina is still scrambling around in the dark with no lights on.
75 redp0ll (#) Sep 21st, 2013 - 01:00 am Report abuse
Conk I usually read your belligerent comments as black humour written tongue in cheek but I now think you are serious. Nuke em, kill em, they are all slugs. Sounds suapiciously like Herr Goebbels policy about Untermenchen not so many years ago.
A lot of folk are just working stiffs trying to make a living in Argentina, many of whom do not like the present government. Maybe to you they are just slugs to be eliminated when Buenos Aires is reduced to gravel by your nuke strikes?
I suspect you are a BNP acolyte and rather like the “patriotic” Brownshirts in La Campora and the Quebracho in Argentina in a different guise
Idont think your attitude either helps the Falklanders or in the long run what outsiders think of your country Great Britain
Sure I know I am going to get a counterblast. Well on second thoughts probably not as I am one of those South American slugs yo would crush under your heel rather than engage in dialogue with die Untermenchen
76 ChrisR (#) Sep 21st, 2013 - 01:08 pm Report abuse
@ 75 redp0ll

I cannot stand Conqueror when he is at his worst but sometimes he does come out with real gems.

Even I get a bit frustrated by the comments of some of the argie idiotas and their ridiculous over blown self worth and deprecation of everyone else on the planet.

Until the 15M Peronistas are removed, one way or another The Dark Country will never pull itself out of the sewer that they all live in.

I know a few Argentines, young, middle aged and one of 91 YO (my next door neighbours mother who was Company Secretary of GM). They are all, without doubt, very nice people. When I spoke with the male family leader about CFK he just shrugged and said “what can be done” there are so many Peronistas and they have the power?
77 redp0ll (#) Sep 21st, 2013 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
Yes Chris, we all go over the top sometimes when blind anger takes over from rational thought. Guilty on that count! Yes conq comes up with some gems, but he does seem to be doing his research 16 hours a day and comments on almost every news item
The Argentine hired hack trolls on the site only write thier provactive nonsense in the hope of a response. If they get it they get paid. So the best way is either to ignore them or to put them down with a humerous reply. They dont like that as it makes them ridiculous and they lose thier job
On that subject and on another thread about VC10s, Steves comment was way off topic, but he did draw attention to a letter in the press by one Waldo Guttierez stirring up trouble with Chile
As you know most letters are accepted with the authors address or ID and in that case niether
To me this sounds like a goverment plant to test the waters of public opinion
78 ErneLatAm (#) Sep 22nd, 2013 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
8 rupertbrooks0, beyond the discussion about rights, Montevideo and the Eastern Province were part of the Vice-Royalty of La Plata River, whose capital was Buenos Aires. Between 1810 and 1814 Montevideo remained under Spanish domain after the revolution in Buenos Aires. Mr. Vernet, displaced from the islands in 1833 by the British troops, was named as Governor by Buenos Aires authorities.
79 rupertbrooks0 (#) Sep 22nd, 2013 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
78 ErneLatAm

Mr Vernet was NOT displaced by the British in 1833, he wasn;t on the islands having returned to Buenos Aires. Vernet recognised British sovereignty of the islands and personally sought and obtained written permission from the British consulate in Buenos Aires in 1828, to set up a private enterprise, the authorisation being signed by Charles Griffiths, the British vice consul. The only people displaced from the islands were an illegal Argentine garrison which had only been there 3 months and which had mutinied and murdered their commanding officer (Lt Mestivier) and who intimidated the civilian poplulation, who sought refuge from “the Rapid” a passing ship. The Vice-Royalty of La Plata River had transfered its capital to Montevideo after the revolution. The islands were never part of the Spanish empire, they only had a penal colony and the islands were in continuous use by British sailors and Whaling ships. Britain made an immediate protest when Vernet was made military governor in 1829. Later in the 1850's Vernet made it clear that he recognised British sovereignty, which dates from 25th January 1765.
80 Monkeymagic (#) Sep 23rd, 2013 - 10:31 am Report abuse
@78

I have looked at the Argentine records for those people leaving the islands on january 6th 1833 and i see no mention at all of a Luis Vernet or any memeber of his family.

Looking further into the records I see that Luis vernet left the islands in 1831, and was never “governor” as you describe.

I also notice that Luis Vernet left the British matthew Brisbane as his agent on the islands. A gentleman still on the islands in 1833 when he was murdered by the gauocho Riviero an event celebrated in Argentina.

The only person ever given the title of Governor by the United Provinces was Esteban Mestevier who arrived on the islands in November 1832, he wasnt on the Argentine list of those evicted in January 1833 either, having been murdered by his own crew and his wife raped.

The folk who were evicted were the remainder of Mesteviers crew under Pinedo, who after their murdering and raping exploits were removed after 2 months.

It seems “your version of history” doesnt match the Argentine records...why do you think that is?
81 LuisM (#) Sep 23rd, 2013 - 03:26 pm Report abuse
@80
Intersting, do you have a link to those records, please?
82 Monkeymagic (#) Sep 24th, 2013 - 08:50 am Report abuse
Luis m

They are in the Argentine National Archives in Buenos Aires, go see for yourself.

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