Monday, December 9th 2013 - 19:04 UTC

As protests spread, Argentine government yields to police forces demands

The Argentine police crisis in demand for higher salaries and better working conditions and which prompted protests and further lootings in several provinces last week and during the weekend rapidly spread on Monday to other districts.

Capitanich described the situation as an “attempt to destabilization” and dispatched over 10.000 special forces to several provinces

Protesting police forces in some cases have been joined by their families

Videos of what looks as organized looting operations against specific shops

 Even when wage agreements have been reached in several of the provinces in turmoil, other provincial forces joined the protests and in others officers seem to have lost control or are not obeyed by the rank and file. In at least half of Argentina's 24 provinces police forces are in conflict including Buenos Aires where 12 of the 40 million Argentines live.

Precisely in Buenos Aires province police forces from La Plata, Bahía Blanca and Mar del Plata insisted with their demands and have impeded normal activities, despite the warning of Governor Daniel Scioli and the announcement of salary hikes. There was minor looting incidents in several of these cities Sunday night and into Monday.

In Santa Fe, the fourth district in population in Argentina, police officers rejected the salary offer made by Governor Antonio Bonfatti.

The central government has dispatched an estimated 10.000 special gendarmerie forces to Cordoba, which triggered the current situation last week, Santa Fe, Catamarca, Entre Rios, among other places.

Protests have worsened in the province of Chaco, as police officers took over headquarters in the capital city of Resistencia, after lootings in supermarkets early Monday and after the provincial government announced it would seek aid from Gendarmerie.

The current cabinet chief of Cristina Fernandez government, is the governor of Chaco (on leave) and the police unrest started when he was at his province over the weekend.

Police forces are demanding a basic salary of between 10.000 and 13.000 Argentine Pesos, (approx 1.000 to 1.300 US dollars) matching what their colleagues from the Federal Police and the agreement reached in Cordoba delivered.

The police of the coastal city of Puerto Madryn, in the province of Chubut, was staging a protest although authorities had announced during the weekend a salary improvement.

In the province of Entre Rios, across from Uruguay, police forces stopped working in several cities and as happened in Cordoba, Rosario and Santa Fe gangs of looters riding motorbikes went after unprotected shops and stores. One looter died electrocuted and there were forty arrests.

Last week the central government's line repeatedly expressed by Cabinet chief Capitanihh was that these conflicts were “the exclusive responsibility of provincial governments” and “they should not elude responsibilities” by asking support from the federal government. This strong message was specifically targeted to Cordoba governor Manuel De la Sota, a declared antagonist of President Cristina Fernandez.

However as the situation rapidly expanded and spilt over to other provinces, including those friendly to the government, Capitanich has described the situation as “an attempt to destabilize”.

The strikers have also tried to downplay the impact of their protests before public opinion, pledging a minimum patrolling while the conflict, since the absence of police in Córdoba led to one death, 200 arrests and over 1.000 shops looted or torched. In several cases the police have had their families join the sit-ins.

Apparently the situation is under control or on the path to an understanding in Cordoba, Santa Fe, Catamarca (after shootouts with rubber bullets between Gendarmes and police strikers that had occupied the provincial house of Government), Rio Negro, La Rioja, Neuquen, San Juan, while the situation remains tense or with difficult negotiations in Tucuman, Corrientes, Jujuy, Chubut, San Luis, Chaco and Buenos Aires.

In many instances the negotiating officers have then to convince their peers of the favorable conditions of the agreement reached, which in a state of open protest and discussion is not necessarily easy.

In Mar del Plata, Argentina's main Atlantic resort, the local chamber of commerce recommended their members not to open their shops.

In one of his latest press conferences at Government House Cabinet Chief said the national government is “monitoring the situation in each Argentine province, with each provincial government and with each one in charge to generate mechanisms of social and civic protection” such as the “direct action” through the territorial intervention with Gendarmerie, Prefecture and Federal Police forces.”

Capitanich added the government is “dismayed” after these actions “which seek to generate chaos and uneasiness in the society” and called for “social peace, harmony and cohabitation” adding “this is not the method or the way” to demand wage hikes, rejecting “the extortion to the provincial governments.”

“The wage negotiations were executed in 2013 and there is an agenda for 2014,” Capitanich stressed. The cabinet chief also emphasized that “the Judiciary must do something before these events of vandalism”.

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1 Brit Bob (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
'We surrender' (again). Lol.
2 Anglotino (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 07:22 pm Report abuse
Perhaps if CFK's government did something about the 25% inflation rate then you wouldn't have to blame things on those “which seek to generate chaos and uneasiness in the society”.
3 nololly (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
Lol Lol Lol Lol! Rg police actually getting paid. I thought they existed on bribes. Perhaps the Sage of Chubut could enlighten us?
4 yankeeboy (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
The raise brings them up to u$ 825/mo so bribes and theft is still the majority of their take home pay
5 redp0ll (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
According to press reports here the provincial police of the Chaco province havent ben paid for months,allegedly for lack of funds and naturally they are not happy campers
However the governor has assured them that all arrears will be paid today
And who is that governor? One Capatanich,recently appointed chief of CFKs cabinet
A wizard perhaps who waves his magic wand and money just appears. hey presto!
6 ChrisR (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 08:43 pm Report abuse
Capitan Dismal is clearly scared about what will happen next if these “police” are not mollified.

But? Will paying them more result in them doing their job correctly?

HA, HA, HA.
7 Anglotino (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
Redpoll

“A wizard perhaps who waves his magic wand and money just appears. hey presto!”

That's what keeps getting them into this mess.

It's not hey presto but hey presses.... as in printing presses.
8 120.9 TroLL FM (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 09:11 pm
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9 andy65 (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
Where's THINK and the rest of the Immigrant Argentines living abroad to explain all this?????
10 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 09:34 pm Report abuse
Dany Josey Marcos Think Dover A - Prat please explain? Or, are you frightened of being identified as traitors? Sounds just like Britain in the 70s, perhaps you need a Maggie?
11 120.9 TroLL FM (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
@9 and 10 are not true depictions of real-life human beings. All similarities with brainless muppets are only fortuitous coincidences and do not reflect the views of 120.9 TroLL FM and it's repeating stations.

Back in a few minutes with more retro hits on the kick-off Verano 2014 music marathon.

120.9 TroLL FM!
12 redp0ll (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
Now then Think there seem to be problems in your province too
What is your honest opinion, unbiased and unslanted?
I think
You have an independent mind of your own
I say
Why not use it?
And if you do, what do you THINK should be done about it?
Its all very well scoring Brownie points off other posters and Argentina is not my country.
You are evidently a political animal. What solution does your man Binner propose?
13 Truth_Tellіng_Trοll (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
In the last hour looters have tried to raid 3 super markets here in Mendoza.

TroLL FM get out on the streets and report it live!
14 120.9 TroLL FM (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 09:47 pm
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15 redp0ll (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 09:54 pm Report abuse
Snotty,
Don't get panicky,
Vote for anarchy!
16 LEPRecon (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 09:56 pm Report abuse
It appears that things are getting worse in Argentina.

It is, of course, the small businesses that will be hit the hardest, as they're less likely to have security guards etc...

I wonder if Tobias will quit acting like an idiot and actually comment on this very serious situation in Argentina?

People are dying, but he obviously doesn't care as it destroys his carefully 'crafted' utopia of Argentina that he has built up in his mind. He can't cope with reality.
17 Think (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 09:57 pm Report abuse
(12) redp0ll

You say...:
“ Now then Think there seem to be problems in your province too
What is your honest opinion, unbiased and unslanted?”

I say....:

Look here Mr. redpoll..........

You give me a link to those ”Press reports you mention at your post (5) about the provincial police of Chaco not being paid for months” ....and I will state my personal, honest but surely biased and slanted opinion about the ongoing police conflict in Argentina....

Deal....?
18 andy65 (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
@120.9 TroLL FM, When I have to leave my homeland in search of a better life because the place I live is so shitty then you can talk Ja foooking Ja
19 120.9 TroLL FM (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 10:07 pm
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20 LEPRecon (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 10:13 pm Report abuse
Aw look, Tobias can no longer live with reality.

It's a pity.

Let's all leave him alone so he can work on his 'master plan'.

Perhaps he'll have to bring it forwards, now that Argentina appears to be disintegrating before his eyes.
21 120.9 TroLL FM (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 10:22 pm Report abuse
That was another extra long song-set. Now for your afternoon 120 point TRIVIA question of the hour:

Which country had far more people leaving it in the last 100 years, the United Kingdom of the Republic of Argentina?

ANSWER: UK. While the UK lost moer than 10 million citizens to emigration to countries like the United States, Canada, Australia, ARGENTINA, and others in the early 20th century, Argentina during the same time gained 5 million inmigrants. Only in small spurts in the 1999-2002 did Argentina lose peopel to emigration.

The trend, unlike what many believe, has not stopped in the UK

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10258081/Two-million-quit-Britain-in-talent-drain.html

So, in short, in the last 100 years Argentina has been one of the most migrated into places in the history of the world, while the UK along with the other major european nations the nations that expelled the most people during the 1900-1950 mass migration period.

That was yout 120.9 FM Trivia of the hour.

Back in minutes with another RETRO music set on kick off 2014 Verano weekend!
22 Anglotino (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 10:23 pm Report abuse
No no, I love this new persona.

Though it's now Tuesday in Argentina so a bit unsure on kicking off a weekend of hits. Do weekends start that early.... perhaps just unemployed people.

Either way I'm kicking back and listening.

I mean even Nero fiddled while Rome burned.
23 120.9 TroLL FM (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 10:35 pm
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24 Anglotino (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 10:44 pm Report abuse
Whew I thought it was the start of the weekend.

But it is now the end...... shame I missed a weekend of music.

And love the trivia. So glad so many Brits ended up in Oz..... FTW to emigration.
25 120.9 TroLL FM (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 10:48 pm
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26 redp0ll (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 11:10 pm Report abuse
@17 The report is in El Pais. La Republica and El Observador also cover the story but do not mention that particular allegation. Different political slants maybe but broadly in agreement.
Internal poliics areyour affair and unless there is a matter of principle I try not to comment. But when it comes to the continual bullying by your government against Uruguay I will and do
Your country hasbred a lot of contagions over the years which have a habit of spreading to nieghbouring countries and this latest one with disturbances in Concordia and Gualeguaychu is a bit too close to us for comfort thank you
27 120.9 TroLL FM (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 11:15 pm
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28 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 11:45 pm Report abuse
26

So the story is not just a rumour on Twitter copied by Mercopress?

Chuckle chuckle
29 Frank (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 11:45 pm Report abuse
@16 LEPRecon
'It is, of course, the small businesses that will be hit the hardest, as they're less likely to have security guards etc...'

They will just keep their doors locked and their windows barred ... just as they do in the 'good times' .
Its the medium sized retail businesses that will feel it... too many customers coming and going to operate a 'closed door' policy.
Mind you .. come the meltdown they are all fucked...
The Argentine poor will still be poor, the Argentine rich will still have all their assets overseas but the middle class will be punted straight back into poverty.... yet again....

I guess the MBOA won't be departing the Casa Rosada in a police helicopter...
30 120.9 TroLL FM (#) Dec 09th, 2013 - 11:56 pm
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31 Anglotino (#) Dec 10th, 2013 - 01:16 am Report abuse
So now we ended the weekend kick off marathon and just kicking off another marathon?

What's the name of this marathon?
32 120.9 TroLL FM (#) Dec 10th, 2013 - 01:21 am Report abuse
Its still the same marathon. Including the trivia to educate ignorant foreigners of the facts of Argentina and their own countries.
33 miss alicia castro (#) Dec 10th, 2013 - 01:41 am Report abuse
I'm a celebrity GET ME OUT OF HERE
34 Think (#) Dec 10th, 2013 - 01:44 am Report abuse
( 26) redp0ll

You say...:
“The report is in El Pais. La Republica and El Observador also cover the story but do not mention ”That Particular Allegation“....”

I say...:
Well...; “That Particular Allegation” is precisely what I'm asking you about...
“That Particular Allegation” in which you based your post No. (5) on...
“That Particular Allegation” you used to trash Mr. Capitanich...
“That Particular Allegation”, NOT published anywhere...

No deal, lad.
35 Anglotino (#) Dec 10th, 2013 - 01:44 am Report abuse
Oh cool. As long as it is a marathon. Usually marathons have less talking but that's alright. I'm still enjoying the music.

And I've already earnt 240 points in the trivia. Hope they don't lose their value like the peso does. I don't want them to be worth 238 tomorrow.
36 120.9 TroLL FM (#) Dec 10th, 2013 - 02:01 am
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37 Anglotino (#) Dec 10th, 2013 - 02:09 am Report abuse
Aaaah 120.9 Droll FM, a Picasso of peristalsis!

Can't wait until tomorrow.
38 yankeeboy (#) Dec 10th, 2013 - 02:30 am Report abuse
Tn is reporting 1/3 of the provinces are under civil unrest.
Including Mendoza.
Play Nero play.
I'm positively giddy.
39 Andy65 (#) Dec 10th, 2013 - 02:33 am Report abuse
Nothing more would make me happy than to see this civil unrest end up at crissy's place and she was dragged out lips first.
40 yankeeboy (#) Dec 10th, 2013 - 02:54 am Report abuse
39. She's probably getting the last of the gold out of country like Mubarak and saddam tried before it all came crashing down.
Dictators usually over stay their welcome.
Whump whump whump
41 120.9 TroLL FM (#) Dec 10th, 2013 - 03:02 am
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42 Anglotino (#) Dec 10th, 2013 - 03:27 am Report abuse
More trivia!
43 120.9 TroLL FM (#) Dec 10th, 2013 - 03:33 am
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44 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 10th, 2013 - 08:48 am Report abuse
#43 Nostril, you say....I never conceal my identity.

I say...you (and Think) are liars.

Wait for December 20th, a chilly day in Canada and Dover, but it will be the fires of hell in BA.
45 yankeeboy (#) Dec 10th, 2013 - 12:27 pm Report abuse
17 provinces with civil unrest and 7 deaths.
When will the monster take flight?
Will this end with the military taking over?
One can hope.
One can hope.
46 Mendoza Canadian (#) Dec 10th, 2013 - 01:19 pm Report abuse
Nine people dead according to this morning's news...and the government is going to have a party for democracy. Too bad they don't understand that with democracy comes rights AND obligations. What a sad sad country.....
47 cornelius (#) Dec 10th, 2013 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
@ 45 This country is a joke they need the military back and start cracking down the military was right take a look what the country looks like in the hands of the montoneros the montoneros are killed more people do to insecurity than the military executed during the dirty war.
48 redp0ll (#) Dec 10th, 2013 - 11:02 pm Report abuse
@47 no, no, NO. Some justice systems may be in tatters but they still more or less work.
Under military governments there is no rule of law.
Evidently you didn't live through the last episodes of military caudillos in SA
49 yankeeboy (#) Dec 11th, 2013 - 02:18 pm Report abuse
I think there's a lot of people who are looking back at the 70-80s with some fondness.
Law Order Decent Economy
Everything they're lacking now
I wouldn't be surprised if there is some support out there right now for the military to take over again
50 redp0ll (#) Dec 11th, 2013 - 03:25 pm Report abuse
Probably yes and on the increase perhaps. After the horrors of the last lot,I wouldn't wish a corrupt and lawless military dictatorship on anybody
Carapintadas!
Their last leader Coronel Mohamed Ali Sanheldrin even contemplated a mutiny while commanding a unit in the Falklands in 1982.
The military should always be the last resort in the aid of the civil power, and usually when that happens they take over with disastrous results
51 yankeeboy (#) Dec 11th, 2013 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
50. I am not sure I agree with you, take Egypt for example it has been an absolute disaster since the military left power.
Some people are not smart enough or willing enough to have democracy.
Argentina and Egypt are just two recent examples.

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