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Australian cruise operators interested in developing Puerto Williams in Chile

Friday, December 27th 2013 - 05:18 UTC
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Australian travel agents linked to the cruise industry visited Puerto Williams in the extreme south of Chile to check on the facilities, services and infrastructure with the purpose of planning cruise calls on a regular basis. Puerto Williams in located on Navarino island across from Ushuaia in Argentina. Read full article

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  • Lord Ton

    And less hassle about going on to the Falklands :-)

    Dec 27th, 2013 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    Clearly, Argentina just ain't worth the trouble. Another own goal.

    Dec 27th, 2013 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Good news for Chile, bad news for Argentina.

    Dec 27th, 2013 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brasherboot

    More trade for Chile. More tie-in to the anglosphere. More money, more influence.

    Meanwhile in Argentina.............

    Dec 27th, 2013 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Australians love to travel. And Australians have money. What we don't like is petty hire-a-thugs trying to bully.

    Congratulation Argentina. Once our equals now not even in the same league. And word is spreading. Riots, looting, burning tyres, protesting thugs..... that's the image the world now has of Argentina.

    Dec 27th, 2013 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    At least the tourists will be able to have a crap in Puerto Williams.

    The fabled Ushuaia is still plagued by intendencia incompetence:

    Don’t have a crap in Argentina: (to the tune of ‘Don’t cry for me Argentina)
    “SEWER SYSTEM IN USHUAIA
    Pumping station still not functioning
    Almost a year since the technical report on the status of the sewer system of Ushuaia was presented by the Advisory Commission on Coastal Management Plan, the Government and Municipality has still not defined who will be responsible for the repair and maintenance.” Source Ushuaia Noticias.
    What a bunch of tossers!

    Dec 27th, 2013 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    As every day goes by,

    Argentina under CFK becomes less and less important
    Whilst the Falklands is on everybody’s mind..lol

    .

    Dec 27th, 2013 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Philippe

    Chile promotes free trade and free navigation. Argentina just the opposite.
    And the Australians know what they are doing!

    Philippe

    Dec 27th, 2013 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    Swimming at Ushuaia isnt an option. You have to go through the motions from the town effluent

    Dec 27th, 2013 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 9 redp0ll
    “You have to go through the motions from the town effluent”

    That's only if the townsfolk have had anything to eat! :o)

    Dec 27th, 2013 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ManRod

    why would you want to visit the 2nd southernmost City of the world, when you can have the southernmost in Puerto Williams?

    http://prensaantartica.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/puerto-williams.jpg

    John Williams Wilson

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Born
    1798
    Bristol, England

    Died
    1857 (aged 58–59)
    Valparaíso, Chile

    Allegiance
    Chile

    Service/branch
    Navy

    Rank
    Commander

    John Williams Wilson, also known as Juan Guillermos (1798 - September 14, 1857), was a British-Chilean sailor and politician. Born in Bristol, he entered the newly founded Chilean navy in 1824 and rose to the rank of commander. He was appointed governor of Talcahuano (1849–1855). He supervised construction of Fuerte Bulnes in 1843, which the government intended for a settlement at the Strait of Magellan. Puerto Williams, founded in 1953, was named for the naval commander.

    Dec 27th, 2013 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @11

    According to Argentina, a British implant, to the rest of the world he emigrated to Chile.

    Dec 28th, 2013 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    I see at least one cruise-line is advertising cruises that it's Southern Cone Cruise stops at Ushuaia, Port Stanley, B.A., Montevideo, and Rio.

    I guess, after CFK bans them, it will be Puerto Williams IN and Ushuaia/B.A. OUT.

    Dec 28th, 2013 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JohnN

    Hope that more cruiseships will make it a regional journey, connecting Puerto Williams with Falklsands and South Georgia. South Georgia webcam show nice sunny view of cruiseship in Cumberland Bay:
    http://sgwebcam.gs/webcam2/cam2_28th%20December%202013%2006%3A30%3A01.jpg

    “This webcam is situated in Larsen House at King Edward Point. The view is south east across Cumberland Bay East to Greene Peninsula and the mountains beyond. Dartmouth Point is in the middle ground and Susa Point in the foreground. The steps on the right lead into Larsen House. Tussac grass is growing immediately in front of the steps. From October to March elephant seals, penguins and fur seals will be on the beach in front of the web cam.”

    http://sgwebcam.gs/webcam2/cam2_28th%20December%202013%2006%3A30%3A01.jpg

    Dec 29th, 2013 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • It's a TrOLL Road

    Nobody in Argentina gives a crap about Puerto Williams, Australia, or ties with the Anglosphere. You are a pest, we want nothing to do with you. What part of that dont't you fools not grasp...

    Dec 29th, 2013 - 04:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Exactly you droll idiot.

    That's why the story is about growing business links and opportunities IN CHILE.

    You're getting your wish.

    The words out. Thugs protesting and harassing tourists, looting, police strikes, failing infrastructure, indept and corrupt officials and an inconsistent government.

    Chile on the other hand will get investment, taxes and job creation.

    Your “superior intellect” is as mythical as the Malvinas.

    Dec 29th, 2013 - 06:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faz

    Celebrity cruise next January includes BA, Ushuaia, Falklands, and Montevideo. Any more demos and RGland will get dropped for Puerto Williams.

    Dec 29th, 2013 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Philippe

    @11
    Noted, spectacular photograph of Puerto Williams and surroundings (up & down, left & right)
    Thank you,
    Philippe

    Dec 29th, 2013 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • nololly

    One big problem with Ushuia apart from the dolts on the quay is getting enough fresh water aboard cruise ships. Those mountains behind Puerto Williams look like they can provide plenty.

    Dec 29th, 2013 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Nobody in Argentina gives a crap about Puerto Williams, Australia, or ties with the Anglosphere. You are a pest, we want nothing to do with you. What part of that dont't you fools not grasp...

    yet one still speaks to us..lol..lol.

    Dec 29th, 2013 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @15 Toby
    “Nobody in Argentina gives a crap about Puerto Williams”

    Right, that is why in recent times Argentina actually had a military plan to invade said area and took us to the brink of war once. How very disinterested.

    On the wider point of “you” not wanting anything to do with other countries, well good for you. However your country is desperate for investment as we all know and as your dear leader recently emphasized.

    And guess what, Chile just smashed previous records investing US$10 billion in the region in the first 6 months of 2013, making Chile the one of the largest, if not the largest investor in Argentina.

    Like it or not, Argentina needs Chile a lot more than you think.

    Dec 29th, 2013 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    The Troll is just trolling, why feed the troll? He doesnt even know the city he claims to live in.

    Dec 29th, 2013 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • It's a TrOLL Road

    @21

    Based on your views of Argentina, then Chileans are very dumb investors.

    Food for thought.

    Dec 30th, 2013 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @23
    Of course there are risks associated with investments, especially in Argentina, but Argie economic policy is making investments very cheap.

    I doubt even the brazen cabal running your country would be foolish enough to mess with Chilean assets in Argentina - we swim too well in those waters.

    Note that the Chilean share of YPF was not touched.

    Food for thought.

    Dec 30th, 2013 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • It's a TrOLL Road

    Look, let me make it simple: none of your countries are superior to Argentina. NONE OF YOU.

    That is really the whole point of this exercise. All of you from nations all over the world, putting Argentines and Argentina down, as inferior, and yourselves as better and superior.

    Nothing any of you have ever said substantiates your racism.

    I don't think Argentina is better than any of you, I do think foreigners suck, but not for who they are, only because they are foreigners from MY PERSPECTIVE, and foreigners are enemies of my country given the overwhelming evidence of their deeds and behavior.

    Leave us alone, and we will leave you alone. Sadly except for the Falklanders, I am trying to work on convincing Argentines to change their rational processes on that matter. One person at a time.

    Dec 30th, 2013 - 03:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    Toby,
    It is not a matter of superiority. I am attempting to point out to you what is going on.

    The lack of respect for private ownership in Argentina has reduced dramatically the amount of investment the country can attract (evidence the current power cuts).

    Chile is one of few countries still investing modest amounts in Argentina - though ever decreasing - for which you should be thankful, beggars can't be choosers!

    Once you get a government who can be more sincere about respecting the rule of law we will invest more. The good news is that by then the AR peso will be significantly devalued and the likes of my pension fund will get bargain deals.

    Do you ever try your luck at the roulette table? If so get down to the Mendoza Sheraton (now Chilean owned), show some neighborly solidarity and put your shoulder to the wheel of the Chilean economy.

    Dec 30th, 2013 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rob the argentine

    Condorito (26): being argentine I know how my own people use to think, they will never change it and this is why Argentina WAS, IS and WILL BE always such a mess.

    Dec 30th, 2013 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Look, let me make it simple: none of your countries are superior to Argentina. NONE OF YOU.
    [who said they were .]
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    Putting Argentines and Argentina down
    [just the government ]
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    Nothing any of you have ever said substantiates your racism.
    [Argentina started it ..
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    I don't think Argentina is better than any of you, I do think foreigners suck
    [ see above [race ]
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    Leave us alone, and we will leave you alone
    [ ooppss is it not you that keeps harassing , insulting , abusing , threatening , blockading , US ..
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    Sadly except for the Falklanders, I am trying to work on convincing Argentines to change,

    Why just Falklands,
    Changing argentine opinion,
    [ try the government first, ..

    .

    Dec 30th, 2013 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ManRod

    Oh Argentina... how deep must you have fallen, that the once poor and military bullied by you do not laugh, but start feeling honest/sincere pity for you...

    Dec 30th, 2013 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @25 I'm afraid you're wrong. I'm not sure precisely what you are referring to when you say “your countries”. But let's approach things from the British perspective. Because we are undoubtedly superior to you. For a start, we are rational. There's an attribute that no-one could accuse argieland of having. Then, perhaps you could provide a list of “our” countries that are spending fortunes in legal fees attempting to avoid paying their debts. Naturally, you have videos of people in “our” countries selling their votes for a bag of groceries, don't you? And you have evidence of criminals being let out of prisons to attend political rallies of the “governing” party? Then there's the small matter of your genocidal nature. Somehow I don't recall us invading a “country” and then deliberately setting out to exterminate the inhabitants. Even if you mentioned Zululand, I would have to point at Isandlwana. Not so defenceless as the indigenous people of South America, then? Then there's the small matter of invading and occupying OUR territory and starting a war. A war you LOST because we are superior. Want to count the number of aircraft you threw in and how many we had? Argieland deployed 147 combat aircraft. It lost 53. Helicopters and non-combat aircraft are not included. The UK deployed 38. And we lost 10. None of them in air-to-air combat. Superior. Superior aircraft. Superior defences. Superior pilots. How fortunate for argieland that we said we wouldn't be going for any mainland targets. Superior again. Just enough force to achieve the objectives. And now we have argieland's inflation running at 27%, Britain's is down at 2.6%. And argieland suggests growth of 2.9%, whilst Britain's is at 2.5%. And nice to remember that the UK's economy is vastly greater than argieland's. Superior. I think there's also the thought that the UK doesn't have any state-sponsored thugs like La Campora or Quebracho. Definitely SUPERIOR!

    Dec 31st, 2013 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Argentina superior tp everyone,

    Go away you poor imitation of a surrender monkey!

    Dec 31st, 2013 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Chilean perspective

    23 It's a TrOLL Road
    The Chilean investors are playing a long game in Argentina. The investors are well aware of the short term pain caused by the improvised policies of the CFK admin. but they also know that these destructive policies cannot last for ever and will eventually change. There is only one way to sustainable development and that is FREEDOM. Economic freedom is the way of the future and it will come to Argentina in due course after they have tried everything else. The smart investors of today will have a massive head start tomorrow and they will make lots of money, this I'm sure of. When all things are said and done Argentina is an incredibly gifted country one that lacks almost nothing except a decent administration, its fun reading the goings on there but they will inevitably change. I just wonder if they can actually tune their crazy policies enough to make the model work for another decade or will the change come fast like in eastern Europe. I'll continue to watch with glee.

    Dec 31st, 2013 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @25

    “Leave us alone, and we will leave you alone”

    If your government stops bullying the Falkland Islanders (it dare not bully the UK, as Argentina always picks on people of smaller numbers), then you will be left alone-in fact you would probably get more aid and support from the UK if you did.

    It is exactly because Argentina is attacking the Falklander's rights that it is getting a bashing-surely not that hard to work out?

    If Argentina talked to the Islanders like normal people the animosity toward them would plummet.

    Argentina's propensity to boast and promise things it cannot achieve just makes it look more and more stupid when it falls short of most of its declared objectives.

    “Nothing any of you have ever said substantiates your racism.”

    Like the racism Argentina directs at the Falkland Islanders because their first language is not Spanish?

    A word of advice: if the Argentine government continues to try bullying the Falkland Islanders, that will give people like me more ammunition to discredit the current Argentine government.

    If Argentina was to act pragmatically toward the Islanders, the criticism on these posts toward Argentina would rapidly be disarmed.

    “and foreigners are enemies of my country”

    How can Britain be enemies when we got rid of your dictatorship in 1982 so that democracy could replace it? So ungrateful.

    “Sadly except for the Falklanders, I am trying to work on convincing Argentines to change their rational processes on that matter. One person at a time.”

    If this means researching history properly and respecting the rights of people born on the Falkland Islands I can't argue with you on that one.

    Dec 31st, 2013 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • It's a TrOLL Road

    Argentina will never again choose the path of Europe, North America, Asia, and now most of South America. Capitalism FAILED in Argentina. It was tried in the 1990s and was mostly a failure.

    Now Populism is being tried.

    Hopefully true isolationism will be the next try out. It is amazing what people can do when they decide they need to provide for themselves, and to avoid outsiders.

    Jan 01st, 2014 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @34 Goody. Let's see now. You've listed 3 continents. Are you including Australia in “Asia”. The Soviet Union fell apart and substituted “capitalism” for communism. China has learned that “capitalism” works best. What you're saying is that, unlike the rest of the world, argieland couldn't make “capitalism” work. “It” didn't fail. You failed. Because you're untrustworthy, thieving liars. I'm looking forward to “isolationism”. Once we've forgotten that argieland exists, we can use it as a nuclear bomb and missile test range. Total silence at the UN. A “new” range of argie stationery submarines called “destroyers”. Real “isolationism”. Minefields, missiles, tanks, artillery, warships, submarines, torpedoes, satellite surveillance. Nothing gets out, or in. And then a real scientific effort. Remove the air!
    You see? We understand. You're crap at everything you try to do. Take a good look at 1982. You were, what, 400 miles from “home”? For us, it was 7,500 miles. You had at least three times as many combat aircraft. Troops? All we had was 10,000. We took more prisoners than that! Didn't you have more troops on your mainland? Your “navy” of course was composed of cowardly shite. All those advantages and you LOST! Because you're useless. Hasn't that got through to you yet? You're USELESS. Try a bit of humility. Be humble. You don't have anything else. And when the world screws you over, smile. Because you deserve it.

    Jan 01st, 2014 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    @34 You need to create an environment that 'promotes business' and social development can then follow. Argentina appears to be adopting a path that is closely mirrored to Venezuela's but without the oil and they can't even keep the lights on.

    The fact is, CFK and Co couldn't even run a corner shop without getting into difficulties. What they are good at is spinning 'the Great Malvinas Lie' and blaming everyone and everything else on Argentina's economic decline.

    Jan 01st, 2014 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    Snotty. I f you are such an isolationist, why do you keep posting in ENGLISH? Why bother? If your theory is correct you had better unlearn it and post in Quecha or Amara instead on the appropiate sites
    What ever happenened to your holiday fortnight?
    I thought we were going to be free of your bombastic garbage for a while.
    What happened? Couldnt leave Mendoza for the heaps of burning trash on the highway?

    Jan 01st, 2014 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • It's a TrOLL Road

    @36

    “Promotes business” is code word for “open your legs wide while we hew an oak tree and turn it into a stick”.

    Capitalism did not work in Argentina because the capitalists failed to deliver the massive investments they promised would come, and the low and competitive prices for products that capitalism supposedly promotes.

    Instead, we had extremely deficient services PLUS the word's highest prices for just about everything, while the country was utterly desindustrialized, as unemployment rose.

    Fail.

    @37

    I'm leaving on Friday, ok?

    I may learn Quechua eventually. But since you brought it up... why do so many universities in the USA have names of indian tribes? Yet watching a show today of US college sports, I saw tons of teams named after native north American nations, but NOT ONE INDIAN in the soccer, volleyball, basketball, or USA passball teams?

    Where are they, huh?

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    Toby

    Sadly your analysis is untrue.

    Capitalism works just fine when it is allowed to. You are correct it will NEVER work in Argentina.

    No sensible multi-national company would invest in Argentina given the level of corruption, the incompetitence of the governemnt and the laziness of the population. Investment in pretty much any other country in the world would be a better bet.

    If you were going to build a new car factory with 10-20000 jobs in Argentina or Brazil, you'd choose Brazil.

    If you were going to invest in oil exploration in Argentina or West Africa, with massive returns, youd choose West Africa

    The problem Argentina has with capitalism is that the market decides..and the market would never pick Argentina.

    Argentina is a bit like Cambodia under Pol Pot. A massively corrupt government, abusing its population, who are too ill educated to understand its consequence.

    For 200 countries of the world, the idea of a far days work for some financial reward based on the quality of the work done, the fundamentals of capitalism....works fine.

    In Argentina, the doctrine of as little work as possible, for a meagre reward, topped up with a bribe, some theft, and borrowing money with no intention of repaying...is a far more suitable model. It suits the nations character.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Capitalism works like a charm.
    20% rich, 80% poor.
    The fact that it works IS the problem...

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    I think, Stevie, there is an elevation in the incomes of both the rich and the poorer - your analysis would be better if it focussed on the relative rises in income
    http://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2?c=reccon1

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Geoff
    That is not true. In a capitalistic system competition reigns and there is no room for more than a certain amount of people to get rich. Their greed will decide the proportions of rich/poor.
    The mathematics are simple. The more they want, the less does the other group get.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JohnN

    Australian cruise operators taking a chance on Puerto Williams are betting that they'll make reasonable profits on the venture. If they succeed, some workers and businesses in PW will also benefit, while there may be some workers and businesses in Ushuaia who may not.

    If the Australian entrepreneurs guess wrong, PW doesn't do so well, Ushuaia does better. However, if is case of rising tides lift all boats, if the Australians do well, possible that PW benefits without impairing Ushaia economy.

    However, those of us interested in seeing Falklands thrive are hoping that this Australian venture may also see more benefits for Falklands economy, from context that Chilean political approach to Falklands more open than that of Argentina.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    Capitalism - especially where it involves 'growth' (as is normally the case, in local, national and world economies) - shows itself to be anything but a zero-sum-game.
    We don't agree, Stevie. #41 still applies.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    No Geoff,, #42 applies.

    Ask our Presidents.

    ;)

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ManRod

    Stevie, you answered yourself... it's your president (thugs) and governments who spoilt it, not capitalism. Don't give social free market the fault for your government's criminal acts.

    Jan 03rd, 2014 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 45 Stevie

    As a wanabe Tupamaro “your President” confuses communism with capitalism as far as bribes go anyway.

    Anybody want to talk about where the money went on Pluna? No, I didn’t think so.

    Jan 03rd, 2014 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    Stevie

    Did you ever complete your crew course in Sweden ?

    You could try:

    http://www.swedishyachtcrewschool.net/eng/recruiting.html

    Jan 03rd, 2014 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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