Tuesday, January 14th 2014 - 18:34 UTC

Falklands fisheries will come under attack from Argentina so as to 'strangle the Islands'' economy

Argentina is preparing a battery of instruments to attack the Falklands fisheries and involved fishing companies with the purpose of 'strangling the economy' of the Islands thus forcing the UK to sit and dialogue on South Atlantic Islands sovereignty, according to a piece by La Nacion columnist Martín Dinatale.

“Attacking fisheries activities with fiscal threats and fines is the Argentine government immediate strategy”

“This will be backed with increased patrolling in South Atlantic waters plus legal searches to determine the society structure of the fishing companies”

Former Senator Filmus, as head of the new Malvinas Secretariat is preparing the fisheries law regulation to damage the Falklands economy

 “Under these premises the Foreign ministry is working on the regulation of the fisheries bill to apply hefty fines to those companies which benefit from fishing simultaneously in the 'Argentine Sea' as in South Atlantic waters under dispute with the UK”, writes Dinatale who reveals that the administration of President Cristina Fernandez has been encouraged by the success of its pressure policy on the Falklands' oil industry.

The strategy is to sanction fishing companies that operate on both seas or have a double society structure or have a shares' triangulation which allows them to exploit fishing resources both in Argentine and Malvinas waters.

This will be backed with increased patrolling in South Atlantic waters plus legal searches to determine the society structure of the fishing companies.

“Pressure on the oil companies gave good results because the UK government reacted nervously and this has encouraged us to put pressure on fishing companies” according to an official from the Ministry of Agriculture working at the foreign ministry in the new strategy.

Dinatale mentions other sources which explicitly point out that the objective of the Argentine government is to make fishing companies abandon the Falklands' waters and “complicate the lives of Islanders”.

According to those sources the fishing industry in the Falklands represents 60% of GDP, 40 million dollars in licenses which means that over 150 fishing vessels operate in the waters surrounding Malvinas. Annual catch in occupied Malvinas waters is estimated in 200.000 tons, of which 70%, squid.

“Attacking the fisheries activities with fiscal threats and fines is the Argentine government immediate strategy”, said Government House sources (Casa Rosada).

And this despite the fact it could lead to some diplomatic problems with third countries, since in Malvinas and Argentine waters operate vessels flagged in Spain, Ireland, South Korea, China and Japan among others.

Dinatale explains that the new strategy, to advance on the Malvinas economy to force UK to sit and talk about sovereignty is intimately linked to the naming of Daniel Filmus as head of the special Malvinas Secretariat, since he is considered an 'active militant' of the Malvinas cause.

This was confirmed in an interview with The Guardian published this week in which Filmus said his main job will be “to look after Argentina's assets” such as fisheries and hydrocarbons in the Argentine Sea. The former senator also advanced that he would be involved in the regulation of the fisheries bill and plans a round of meetings with Latin American and Caribbean countries to ensure further support for Argentina's Malvinas position.

Imposing fines on fishing companies has the support from the congressional opposition, which for years has been demanding that the fisheries bill explicitly bans companies with Argentine licenses from having an economic, commercial or benefit links with companies or vessels operating in Malvinas without Argentine permission.

Apparently resolution 514/09 had a 'catch word' which was 'direct' links, and this will be erased from the ruling on which Filmus and his team are working.

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1 Think (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 06:56 pm Report abuse
Let the game begin.........................
2 Britworker (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
Yes, great, that's really going to work. The UK will be just itching to sit down and talk because of this. They are astonishingly stupid and how the hell are they going to police The Falkland Islands economic zone to support this policy?
I cannot wait for the UK response to this.
3 Vulcanbomber (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
time for the Royal Navy to enforce Falklands Fishing grounds, fishing in the Falklands waters is carefully managed, unlike those in Argentine waters

Personally I'd have a sub make an appearance in the River Plate, just for a giggle
4 inthegutter (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
I hope you see why the islanders would want nothing to do with such a pathetic government. Do you really think the islanders and the UK government are going to be bullied?
5 Briton (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
Britain’s new Super ship, yacht what ??
The Envy of The World ??
www.superyachtworld.com/yachts/a-superyacht-for-the-nation/

Turning HMS Illustrious into a super yacht
You've yacht to be joking...
??

Navy’s new carrier so large the crew need an app to find their way about
www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/navys-new-carrier-so-large-the-crew-need-an-app-to-find-their-way-about-9058214.html
HMS Queen Elizabeth, the new aircraft carrier, the largest warship built in Britain, which is now towering above the rooftops in Rosyth dockyard.

Hopefully more picture soon…

Bring it on gentlemen--bring it on..
6 nololly (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 07:28 pm Report abuse
No probs Argentina, we are busy strangling the $ loans that are keeping your economy afloat. You strangle the squid fishing we strangle your finances.

Its known as Tit for Tat.
7 Boovis (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 07:36 pm Report abuse
If a bully punches a mother's child, generally the mother turns up with a cricket bat.
Wise move, morons.
8 Briton (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 07:44 pm Report abuse
Do what you want,

All you will do is force harm on your own people,
and guess what,
YOU
will get the blame, just like before,

very stupid , very childish , and very immature,
9 Escoses Doido (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 08:00 pm Report abuse
Pathetic. Really pathetic.

They wont even have the balls to do anything stupid (and illegal) against any vessel that is inside Falklands waters.

Fuds, the lot of them.
10 scarfo (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
President Cristina Fernandez has been encouraged by the success of its pressure policy on the Falklands' oil industry.

lol
11 Briton (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 08:11 pm Report abuse
They would in fact be breaking international law by arresting anyone on high seas,

They would break Falkland’s law by entering Falkland’s territory to arrest anyone,
And in fact, are liable to be arrested themselves,
Now how embarrassing would that be on the international stage,

But we think they have an agender, no matter how silly we think it may be,
After all,
CFK has only until she fails or Argentina collapses to get the Falklands back,
And she must be well aware of this,
And hopefully the British are watching,

When she has gone, it will all fall apart and forgotten abt,
As any future argentine government will not mention her or her deluded dream
In fear of making themselves look stupid,
Is this not so. Lolol.

poor argentloser,
lost again..
12 Captain Poppy (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 08:12 pm Report abuse
What ship are they going to use to increase the patrols? The one that broke down an put into South Africa and when Libertad was seized........give me a break. This is the aging barking dog with no teeth. If you ask me they are just kicking a hornets nest to see what comes out........most with a brains knows what is inside a hornets nest.

Maybe they righted the listing and rusting tin tubs that was on there sides in their berths.
13 alan (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
Are Argentinian officials paid for these polices/announcements? A blockade - who would have thought of that. Amazing!
14 Leiard (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
You couldn't make up this nonsense.

All it does is make them look like real idiots on the world stage.

I am sure if they can find a ship seaworthy enough to enter the Falklands waters they will meet with a direct response.

But I am sure there will be a poll somewhere that shows the British support the Argentinian view.
15 Briton (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 08:34 pm Report abuse
And you can bet,
someone has greased it .lol
16 Troneas (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
the best hope for the islanders right now is that the next argentinean president takes a less aggressive approach towards the implanted colonists.

truth be said, however, the problem will not go away. to varying degrees and actions, argentina will continue to push for an agreement over sovereignty as long as it takes.

diplomatically, london won't listen. military-wise, argentina has no viable means right now and open war is increasingly unpopular with both the international and domestic community. only few countries with a strong military culture can nowadays kick off a military adventure and be applauded for it at home whilst absorbing foreign dissatisfaction with few tangible repercussions - such as the USA.

so the only card argentina has to play is the economic one.

and ignoring the issue will not make it go away. with the rise of new players such as china, brazil, russia and so on britain's influence on the international stage is declining, and argentina's partners in south america will not be so timid in the future to support these actions.

it has yet to be seen how effectively these measures are implemented, however.

as a human rights advocate, i would detest the islanders be “enslaved” into a culture it is not their own. they should be able to choose freely on all aspects of their lives without interference and because of their historic difference even enjoy a greater autonomy in government and economic policies. what has to be addressed, however, is the question of which nation has the ultimate responsibility over the soil and surrounding maritime areas - and argentina will not let this subject rest.
17 ljb (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 08:47 pm Report abuse
“”Dinatale who reveals that the administration of President Cristina Fernandez has been encouraged by the success of its pressure policy on the Falklands' oil industry.“”

Can somebody enlighten me as to what the success they have had is??
18 alan (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 08:58 pm Report abuse
Troneas
You assume Argentina is going to be a major player in the world. My own feeling is that with a growing China, the USA will want to have a 'safe' haven in the South Atlantic in 20 years time. Your argument rests on the basis that powerful nations being able to subjugate smaller less powerful territories. I thought that died in the 19th and early 20th Centuries.
19 inthegutter (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 09:02 pm Report abuse
#16 A, presumably Argentine, calling the Falkland Islanders implanted colonists is a bit hypocritical isn't it?

As a [laughs to himself] human rights advocate you seem curiously content to steal the land that the Falkland Islanders have peacefully inhabited for 180 years there by destroying their culture in the process.
20 War Monkey (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
Is this where Argentina does something really and I mean REALLY stupid? They must be getting excruciatingly desperate. It won't work. Argentina has had their chance to 'sit and talk' and refused it. As the throbber in post number one said. Let the 'game' begin. Game? You reckon a Spearfish torpedo is a game? Of course you do. You won't be on the wrong end of it.
21 Think (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 09:20 pm Report abuse
(16) Troneas

You say...:
“.....so the only card Argentina has to play is the economic one. ”

I say...:
Not “the only” one...., but definitively the best one.
And the one that really can and will hurt Incalaperra....

Saludos del Chubut
El Think
22 slattzzz (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
@16 lets address a few of your comments shall we. argentina will continue to push for an agreement over sovereignty as long as it takes. Don't hold you breath it wont be in your, your children's or their grandchildren's time.
argentina's partners in south america will not be so timid in the future to support these actions. WHAT PARTNERS? Everyone hates you, not only are you ripping your own country apart you are systematically trying to drag your neighbours down with you.
i would detest the islanders be “enslaved” into a culture it is not their own. they should be able to choose freely on all aspects of their lives without interference. They HAVE CHOSEN so piss of and leave them alone.
and argentina will not let this subject rest. Neither will we so dream on.
23 nigelpwsmith (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 09:26 pm Report abuse
An official from the Argentine Ministry of Agriculture (working in the Foreign Ministry) says:

“Pressure on the oil companies gave good results because the UK government reacted nervously and this has encouraged us to put pressure on fishing companies”

WHAT RESULTS?!

The oil companies have ignored Argentina.

They have not altered their operations in any way

The British Government did not react 'nervously', they simply refuted Argentina's right to impose laws on a territory which belongs to Britain.

The new 'Master of Lies', Daniel Filmus says that Argentina will impose laws on fisheries and patrol to enforce these.

Then Argentina had better prepare to lose some patrol ships. Because if they are not arrested by the Falkland Islands patrols, then they will be sunk by nuclear submarine for piracy in international waters.

You cannot detain vessels of another country outside your territorial waters and Argentina has no rights whatsoever in Falkland Islands waters.

If Argentina attempt to interfere with any ships belonging to Spain, Ireland, South Korea, China or Japan (amongst others), fishing with licenses purchased from the Falkland Islands Government, then the Government of the country from which the ship originated will support the British ships when they arrest the Argentine ship - or sink it!

Argentina is spoiling for another war.

They think they can bully the Falkland Islands into submission. They're wrong.

The Falkland Islanders have long memories and they will never forgive the Argentines.
24 Britworker (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 09:35 pm Report abuse
The military response of the UK is based on the the perceived threat. Will any aggressive actions result in an increased military presence, we will see but I'm fairly sure it will. I think it will all be piss and wind as usual, but they are getting increasingly desparate and we all know how stupid they were before the end last time.
25 Leiard (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
Well with all the problems Argentina is currently facing any so called patriotic diversion like this is needed.

“The latest edition of Economic Freedom ranking places the Argentina at No. 166 in the world out of a total of 178 countries ranked .

Inflation Congress 2013 more than 28% and 3.38% in December, the highest for that month in 22 years.”

“YPF manages the purchase of four LNG cargoes for February and March.”

“Luxury car tax now in excess of 100%”

“dollar blue to break $11”

The sad fact of all this is that a country that is so rich in resources is being so badly managed that the ordinary people are going to suffer for many years.

You have so much that should make you a great country yet it is being squandered by the idiots you have running it.
The problem seems to be with your political system you don't seem to have any real alternatives.

At least in the UK we do have some options - labour screwed things up in a big way - the current coalition although not perfect is at least rescuing a bit from the mess they inherited.

The majority of posters here do not have a hatred of the Argentinian people that is comparable to the hatred of the English that is so evident with a lot of the South Americans and their supporters on this site, we however are firm in our support of the Falkland Islanders.
26 Redrow (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
@16 Troneas

I'm glad to hear of your support for the islanders. However, even if Britain does decline and Argentina grows robustly (I wouldn't bet on either BTW) and gets China, Russia and all of LA to support it, then that still doesn't negate the right to self-determination of the people of the FIs. Since Argentina refuses to a) go to the ICJ or b) seek to change the islanders minds, then force is its only option. Most of Europe went through a century of bloodshed before we finally stopped demanding our neighbours soil. Perhaps one day Argentina will do the same.
27 Xect (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 09:56 pm Report abuse
More petulant, childish and unproductive behavior I see.

And unsurprisingly it will be another failure for Argentina and another embarrassment to her people.

I did have a laugh about the success against the oil companies. So how many companies withdrew from Falkland activities? Oh yes...... Zero!!!
28 Oder 1001 (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 10:09 pm Report abuse
Troneas

the idea that the minnow state of Argentina will try to wage economic war on the islands is as foolish as the Junta military invasion in 82, you lost that one the UK will see to it you lose the economic one as well, Argentina a pussycat with no claws
29 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 10:12 pm Report abuse
“The success of the policy on oil exploration”

Yes, it discouraged multi-hundred million dollars investments from a US multi-national, a Franco-Italian multi-national and 3bn dollor investment from a large British multi-national all in the last 18 months.

Oh no....it didn't did it...all that has happened....

Crap.....err....errr....
30 yankeeboy (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 10:29 pm Report abuse
The country is imploding. They won't have time to bother the Falklands for much longer.

Tinkaroo...no coment on 11/1? 11/1? 11/1? Or maybe the gov't rate at 7/1? ( not as exciting tho)
And BCRA has spend U$300 trying to tamp it down just this month alone.
So sad for you.
But you were practically wetting yourself when it was under 10.
Now what are you going to tell us it is all in the brilliant K master plan?
dufus.
31 Lord Ton (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 11:27 pm Report abuse
The 'game' was over a long time ago Think. Argentina lost as it continues to lose. This is just old wine in new bottles and has been tried before without effect. The cruise ships keep going to the archipelago, the oil companies keep working and the fisherment bought their licences for a 25 year period ...... the money is already in the bank Think :-)
32 HansNiesund (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 11:46 pm Report abuse
@21

You're probably right about one thing. Economic pressure is the only avenue left. You've rejected any resolution based on law, democracy, or human rights, and failed at one based on force. The present strategy of lying to anybody who will listen and then claiming their agreement serves only to agitate the gullible.

And it's certainly true that if anybody knows how to ruin an economy, it's Argentina.

The only problem is that Argentine has done its utmost to ensure that this conflict is beyond money or oil or fish or even islands, and the consequence is that all the oil can stay in the ground and the fish in the sea before any UK or Falklands government will concede so much as a vegetable patch to you.

Nice work by those who intended it that way, though. It's obvious that your politicians would rather have the Falklands issue than the Falkland Islands any day, and know how to make sure they get what they want.
33 yankeeboy (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 12:03 am Report abuse
32. Wow best post I've read in years!
34 MagnusMaster (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 12:04 am Report abuse
@17 in the complete article at La Nacion Dinatale says that the British goverment responded nerviously, so they think it was a success.
35 Pete Bog (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 12:36 am Report abuse
“Pressure on the oil companies gave good results because the UK government reacted nervously”

So the fact that only an Indian oil company withdrew from oil exploration when no one else was deterred, is a good result?

“according to an official from the Ministry of Agriculture working at the foreign ministry in the new strategy.”

A new strategy?

“the objective of the Argentine government is to make fishing companies abandon the Falklands' waters and “complicate the lives of Islanders”.

Thus making sure the British government are even less likely to talk to Argentina-errrr that's smart!

”Dinatale explains that the new strategy, to advance on the Malvinas economy to force UK to sit and talk about sovereignty”

It's a risky gamble-if British ships are fired on, it might force the British to acquaint some more Argentine ships more closely with the sea. Permanently.

The British reacted nervously in 1982-didn't do Argentina lot of good as I recall.
36 Doggy Rap (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 12:55 am Report abuse
“Pressure on the oil companies gave good results because the UK government reacted nervously and this has encouraged us to put pressure on fishing companies”

Somebody in Argentina suffers from a severe mental disorder. The “good results” are what?

“the [future] fisheries bill explicitly bans companies with Argentine licenses from having an economic, commercial or benefit links with companies or vessels operating in Malvinas without Argentine permission.”

Even more severe mental disorder.
Argentina claims to own the Falkland Islands and thus forbids companies and vessels to operate in Argentina and Argentine waters.

. . .
No more mister nice guy!

Any company doing business with Argentina must be banned from the UK.

No more mister nice guy!
37 Andy65 (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 01:14 am Report abuse
To me this sounds like the oil threats have not worked so we will try our dirty thieving hands at making threats over fisheries.
these wankers are truly despicable people
38 José Malvinero (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 02:55 am Report abuse
So I'd like to know a person in the world (only one) that he swallow the chinese tale of thieves, the poor things kelpers the “vibrant people” the Malvinas that “neighbor” higher wants to prevent its legitimate development “economic and cultural ”.
.... a group of offenders english doing business with property outside only .....
39 rupertbrooks0 (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 03:53 am Report abuse
This is just bizarre. What on earth does this Argentine government think they’re doing? Bullying 3,000 peaceful people? Do they really think the UK government will just give in to blackmail? The utter contempt it shows towards the Falklands people is shocking. This is really going to persuade the Falklands that they have a future under Argentine rule. Not.

What are they going to do? Arrest Japanese fishing vessels and throw the crew in jail? That’s really going to help.
40 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 04:51 am Report abuse
More bad news for the English in southern Argentina.
41 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 05:07 am Report abuse
38 José

What language are you posting in?
42 LEPRecon (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 07:04 am Report abuse
This is a new strategy from Argentina?

Like when they tried to sell fishermen licences to fish in Falklands waters and they got ZERO takers, because the fishermen knew that Argentina had no authority to do so?

Like when they tried to overfish the area in an attempt to destroy the Falklands fishing economy...and that...well...that had ZERO effect.

This isn't new. This is an old strategy, mean to keep gullible people like Jose and Marcos completely distracted and complacent, whilst the Argentine government completes it's rape of Argentine resources and heads for it's safe havens overseas.

Nothing to see here...move along...move along.
43 Redrow (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 07:16 am Report abuse
@ Marcos
Argentina has threatened much in recent years but show me 1 Falklands case they have taken to court or 1 physical intervention they have made within the Falklands EEZ? I'm afraid the only bad news coming out of Argentina right now is economic - and that is only bad news for Argentina, not for the islanders or anyone else.
44 Be serious (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 07:40 am Report abuse
32 Excellent post.
45 A.J.Rimmer (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 07:47 am Report abuse
PMSL, we all know what's going to come of this........ Nothing.

Q. is Daniel Filmus the resulting off-spring of CFK and Twitterman?

Village idiots in Argentina should run for Government, they would do a far superior job.
46 Leiard (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 07:50 am Report abuse
The defense minister, Agustín Rossi and Filmus agreed to deepen and coordinate work related to the Falkland Islands”

www.telam.com.ar/notas/201401/48149-rossi-y-filmus-acordaron-profundizar-y-coordinar-el-trabajo-relacionado-a-las-islas-malvinas.html
47 HansNiesund (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 09:12 am Report abuse
@46

Interesting.

They are contemplating increased naval activity throughout the entire South Atlantic, including a Search and Rescue effort, I would imagine because they often need rescued themselves, and are terrified of scary British S&R helicopter pilots.

I also wonder if they aren't taking the relative lack of a British response to Spanish incursions into Gibraltarian waters as a go-ahead signal, in which case they would be making precisely the same mistake as they made in 1982.

But most of all I'm wondering just what they intend to put to sea with?


I'm also wondering just what they are proposing to put to sea with, and if they aren't imagin
48 Leiard (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 09:23 am Report abuse
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49 nigelpwsmith (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 09:46 am Report abuse
@47
Quite true.

The only people that will need to be rescued in the event that the Argentines enter the Falkland Islands EEZ will be the Argentines. Any Argentine patrol foolish enough to venture into Falklands waters would be challenged. If they fail to leave, they would be arrested. If they resist, they would be on the receiving end of an anti-ship missile, or a torpedo.

This latest move shows their desperation. They know that the diplomatic front is not working. They tried force in 1982 and that failed. Their navy is so decrepit, their ships sink in port!

The only thing they have left is to threaten an economic blockade (just as Spain has against Gibraltar) but that's failed too. The oil companies continue their exploration and their investment. The fishing companies continue to buy licenses from the Falkland Islands Government and ignore Buenos Aires.

All we need to do is sit back and wait for Argentina to implode, whilst denying them the loans they need to recover.

I wonder if CFK will allow Gollum and the Senator a seat on her plane when she leaves for her retirement home?

I think not.
50 Welsh Wizard (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 09:55 am Report abuse
This is just yet another move to try and keep the Hare Kirchners happy
51 Martin Woodhead (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 10:08 am Report abuse
The Uk goverment is only reacting nervously because its seen the idiot child next door come home with a box of fireworks and a brand new £5.99 genuine rambo survival knife.
This cant possibly end well but may make an entertaining youtube video.
52 lsolde (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 10:14 am Report abuse
Well thats going to work isn't it Filmus, you peanut brain.
With your threats l'm shaking in my boots-----not.
Argentina, woo the lslands with threats!
How did you woo your beloved, Filmus? Threaten her?
Poltroon.
53 GALlamosa (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 10:18 am Report abuse
Very Argentine.

Their policy on just about everything to do with the Falklands has failed. Their constant badgering prompted a hugely successful referendum which has awoken many neighbouring countries and others further afield to the basic truth. This is a human rights issue, and the Falkland Islanders have the right to choose how they live their lives and with whom they maintain political and juridical affinity. Their biggest issue becomes oil, in line with basic colonialist tendencies. Their policy not to engage with others for mutual economic benefit but to attempt to deter investments through threats and bullying has totally failed.

So what to do. Lie to the people (sound familiar) and tell them it is all a big success, and on the back of it wheel out some pre-existing “laws” to kill the fishery, which have already failed. Look out for this being “the big lie” betewwn now and the election....we are winning. When the successor Government takes power they will find something very different.
54 golfcronie (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 10:31 am Report abuse
@41
It is the new strategy of the trolls, you see by posting unintelligible gobbledegook on this forum serves two purposes 1) the poster doesn't understand the subject and cannot write serious reply. and 2) By posting goobledegook his manipulators don't understand either but still pay him.
55 Escoses Doido (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 10:55 am Report abuse
I'm telling you - JM is using that translator they had on the movie 'Mars Attacks'.
56 Porkchop (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 10:55 am Report abuse
@1

Think says: “Let the game begin........”

I say:

So the burning of flags & tyres, the filming of an awful advert in the Falklands, attempts to influence cruise company operators and the creation of a non job for Mr Filmus - in addition to begging for dialogue.. Was just a warm up was it?

Silly Think. Rushing to post such nonsense, as if under the belief this will bring Argentina any closer to it's goal. Funny.
57 jaydub (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 11:39 am Report abuse
Same tired old story. Argentina's economy is going down the toilet. Argentina dreams up another diversion over the Falklands so the population in Argentina forget about the 25% inflation rate, or the incompetent government they're stuck with.
58 Conqueror (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 12:20 pm Report abuse
@11 You're going to have to support your contention that they “would in fact be breaking international law by arresting anyone on high seas”. Vessels in international waters are generally under the jurisdiction of the flag state. However, when a vessel is engaged in certain criminal acts, e.g. piracy, any nation can exercise jurisdiction under the doctrine of universal jurisdiction.
@16 What, no belligerence? But your first mistake, again, is to refer to “implanted colonists”. What, pray, are argies except implanted colonists. The differences being that Falklanders arrived 121 years before argies and didn't have to murder anyone. You mention “new players” such as brazil, china and russia. What are they going to do? Militarily, by any reasonable measure, brazilian forces are inferior to British forces. Less ships, less aircraft, less well-equipped, less trained, less professional. And Britain has beaten both china and russia before now. It's a pity argieland can't honestly explain international law to itself. “Uti possidetis”. And who was in possession of the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands on 14th June 1982? I'm afraid Filmus is no better than the rest. Argieland has no case. It knows it has no case. But it isn't big enough, smart enough or mature enough to step back and say “Okay we made a mistake”. You seem to be under the impression that argieland counts for something. It doesn't. It's a fly at the picnic. It can be swatted anytime. But here's some free advice. Have a “revolution”. Take all members of the current “ government” to a yard somewhere and shoot the lot. Publicly abandon all claims. Apologise to the Falkland Islands and Britain. Pay over about £2 billion to the Falklands in reparations. And then attempt to find someone intelligent to govern!
@21 And the other one is “suicide”? Good idea.
@38 Several of your cogs have slipped.
@40 I think you'll find it's the Welsh in southern argieland.
59 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 12:22 pm Report abuse
Argentina continually says that its argument is with the British...not the islanders (who varyingly do not exist, are squatters, or some sort of sub-human non-people).

Yet Argentina only ever “attacks” the islanders...not Britain.

If Argentina were not a coward and a bully it should actually make good on its threats properly.

They should categorically state that if a company does business with Britain it cannot do business with Argentina.

This would at least show courage of their commitments and not just bullying cowardice.

So Ford, GM, BP, HSBC, Apple, Google, Total, Exxon, Citibank etc etc which is it to be....business with Britain or business with Argentina?

Some may choose Argentina...lol.

of course deliberately trying (but abjectly failing) to stifle the economy of the islands is easier for Argentina...the total IQ of Argentina is approximately equal to the total IQ of the islanders, so its a fairer fight.
60 Anti-Muppet (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 12:35 pm Report abuse
Yawn.. I think Argentina seem to think they share something in common with Spain, while the UK gov seems quite content to play political football with Gibraltar, its really not the same thing with the RG's; if they keep this sh**t up there will be war for sure! Muppets.
61 darragh (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 12:41 pm Report abuse
As I can't believe that the Argentine government is as stupid as this item (and the corresponding oil item) seems to imply I assume that they have some ulterior motive. I think, maybe, that they are trying to provoke the Brits into re-acting by sending another warship/nuclear sub and then shouting 'see, we told you so, they're militarising the South Atlantic' or something like that.
What do you think?
62 Room101 (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 12:44 pm Report abuse
5: Briton
It isn't as large as some US carriers.
Also, a ship of whatever size quickly becomes the crew's home; it isn't like a car which you leave from time-to-time.
I used to steer this type of vessel (other kinds also)
In a few weeks everyone aboard will be able to find their way around with ease.
63 Corvus corax (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 01:09 pm Report abuse
I'm declaring myself Chief of the anti malvinistas.

I declare a law that bans Malvinistas from setting foot outside their house.

I also intend to call the third tuesday of every month 'dead loss'.

Well if these nincompoops can dream up silly laws, then we all should be allowed. I can't imagine it will make any difference though.

Keep dreaming Malvinistas, you will not steal what is not yours, no matter how bizarre the method.
64 honoria (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
@16 Troneas
'so the only card argentina has to play is the economic one'

Or you could simply accept Falkland Islanders for what we are and start talking to us sensibly. Let's get on with something constructive, for goodness sake.
65 GFace (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 02:10 pm Report abuse
This really is ridiculous. “Ze Office of Goose-stepping all over Poland, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Belgium, Holland and France for ze Glory of The LatAm Reich!!!!” is at it again!

I'm convinced that is this part of CFK's scorched earth exit policy. “Hmmmm,” she ponders, “let's see how much I can frell things up for my successor. If I can't have a positive legacy, then NOBODY will!” That or she's trying to make anyone coming after her look good and statesmanlike in comparison but I don't think such altruism is in her programming. With that however, she IS succeeding. I guess we have to settle for what small victories we can get!
66 Benson (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 02:28 pm Report abuse
Even if they do have any sucess I would rather live as a pauper than under the Argentine yoke.
67 JohnN (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 02:34 pm Report abuse
This becomes a test for EU to stand up for its members who have Overseas Territories, whether UK, Spain, Denmark, France or Netherlands. Should be no negotiation for any trade deals with Argentina until and unless there is explicit language respecting and protecting OTs territories and boundaries.

With Falklands protecting its fisheries as a sustainable resource, those environmental groups like Greenpeace and Sea Shepard that are now harassing the pirate factory fishing ships of Russia, China and Spain should be joining in the fight to protect the Falklands too. If not, those groups are hypocritical.
68 El capitano (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 02:38 pm Report abuse
Haw haw haw...(My laugh for the day)...now..Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!
69 golfcronie (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
How about vetoeing any trade agreement with Mercosur ( explaining to the other Mercosur countries that it is Argentina that is holding up trade agreements until the Argentine government ceases all economic sanctions against the FALKLAND ISLANDERS.) Let them know in no uncertain terms that the stumbling block is CFK and her cronies.
70 Andy65 (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 03:16 pm Report abuse
More policy dam these Argies are working overtime

The defense minister, Agustín Rossi, and Relating to the secretary of the Falkland Islands Affairs, Daniel Filmus, agreed yesterday to “continue working towards treatment of the activities being carried out in a coordinated manner both portfolios.” After a meeting, the two officials agreed that the objective is “to contribute to the maintenance of the South Atlantic as a zone of peace and cooperation, and advocate the rejection of the increasing militarization of the Falkland Islands.”
71 GFace (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
@70,... says the people who invaded it in naked violation of UN GA AND SC resolutions, held civilians hostile danger-close to their own soldiers to prevent direct attack from the hostages rescuers, boobytrapped civilian infrastructure, used civilians houses as latrines, laid undocumented land mines everywhere, and STILL celebrate it on a coin like 21st century unrepetantant Germans celebrating their “just retaliation” after the Gleiwitz Incident.

Lovely folk. Let's give them *their* Poland. I'm sure they'll be nice to the Islanders “this time.”
72 Oder 1001 (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 03:47 pm Report abuse
a warning should be given to Argentina, any military coastguard or marine police ships aircraft inside Falkland waters will be attacked on sight, any outside in international waters will be treated as pirates in international waters (they think the own the sea as well), refusal to surrender and they will be shot down or sunk. it is time to declare Argentina a hostile state and should be treated as such.
73 GFace (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 04:07 pm Report abuse
@72 the problem is that the current status quo that keeps the Islanders free content and safe has for years been due to a combination of british deterence since 1982 and since 1982 and IN 1982 due to british *restraint*. Argentina has had no ability to project their fascism to the islands since then and now they are trying these new passive aggressive tactics baiting the british to do exactly what international law expects them to do, defend their people at which point they will scream “disproportionate aggression!” This is no different than a low rent cowardly 8-year-old on the playground pushing around a kindergartner to earn points with his toadies when her 11 year old big brother intervenes. The 7-and-youngers and 9-olders will see through it but the fellow 8 year olds will think sniveling cowardly fascist Argentina is awesome while *certain* overseeing adults will hold big-boy Britain to the ever stratospheric standard of being a good example to the kindergartners, while the true bully will be expected to rise above nothing.

That said, Argentina would do well to pick on someone their own size because it's still gonna hurt, both in the field and in the courtroom. Because in the 21rst century this time their crimes will be televised, youtubed and will go viral, in no small part from their own fanboys who think that picking on the little guy is wicked kewl.
74 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 04:46 pm Report abuse
69 Golfcronie

I like your suggestion, but on second thought, it really plays into their hands.
Whilst Brazil might listen to the UK and put pressure on Argentina, CFK's government would use it delay a FTA, which is what they want to do.
They could claim that they are open to the FTA, but now UK is trying to link an unrelated “sovereignty dispute” in order to screw over LATAM and keep “EU Protectionism”, etc.

However, why not? It will put the cards on the table, and the FTA final negotiations are likely to outlast the current CFK regime anyway.

:-)
75 Think (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
(64) honoria
You say (to Mr. Troneas)...:
“....You could simply accept Falkland Islanders for what we are and start talking to us sensibly. Let's get on with something constructive, for goodness sake.”

I say....:
The problem is that you Falkland Islanders are no more than Britains prolongued arm telling us (in plain English) ....:
Antarctica is British...
S. Georgia Islands are British...
S. Sandwich Islands are British...
The Malvinas/Falklands are British...
All adjacent waters and natural ressources are British...
But, by the way, dear Argies, we can let you have some fish......., if you behave.
Not much room there for “Getting On With Something Constructive”, don't you Think?

(66) Benson
You say...:
“Even if they do have any sucess I would rather live as a pauper than under the Argentine yoke.”
I say...:
With those genes, I'm positive you would...
Luckily..... there aren't so many of your kind left...
76 Faz (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 05:35 pm Report abuse
Think, what you say is quite correct. Argentina could have a good relationship with the Falklands and Britain as neighbours. Our expertise could benefit your country as it has done in the past.

Remember you are occupiers of a land you took by force, we are occupiers of lands we discovered long before you and occupied long before you. We never murdered the natives or removed anyone that wasn't a criminal.

I tend to Think you are simply a brainwashed root vegetable who drinks too much single malt.
77 HansNiesund (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
@75
“Antarctica is British...
S. Georgia Islands are British...
S. Sandwich Islands are British...
The Malvinas/Falklands are British...
All adjacent waters and natural ressources are British...”

Exactly. De facto and de jure. By what right would they be anybody else's?

Of course if you're not happy with this, you always have the right of resorting to the organs created in the 20th century for the resolution of conflict, although you seem to be under the impression that these organs exist to perpetuate and escalate conflict rather adjudicate upon the agreed rules.
78 paulcedron (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 06:13 pm Report abuse
76
when you say “we”, are you referring to the british?
learn your own history then.
if you dont like to read, watch this
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWedTbuAtR4
and “your expertise” never benefited argentina in the past.
for instance you can read; the treaty roca runciman, the rol of britain during the período agroexportador, etc.
79 Think (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
(78) paulcedron

You are not so gíl, pibe....
A pity that you are so gorilón....
80 paulcedron (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 06:18 pm Report abuse
79
1/2 gorila.
in some aspects im more nac&pop than the presidenta
81 Think (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 06:22 pm Report abuse
OK
;-)
82 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 06:30 pm Report abuse
As own goals go, this is pretty spectacular.

As a piece of international politics it is comedy gold, breathtakingly funny.

I take it that argentinians the world over are now used to the government of KFC being the laughing stock of the UN. All the talk that “the administration of President Cristina Fernandez has been encouraged by the success of its pressure policy on the Falklands' oil industry”. I mean really, who writes this stuff and, more importantly, who believes it?

Then again I suppose, you can fool some of the people, all of the time....
83 Steve-33-uk (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
The best way of dealing with Argentina is to ignore their pathetic threats, they have no jurisdiction in the Falklands EEZ and no navy to trouble anyone. Filmus is just trying to justify his inflated pay packet...

I will come out of article linking retirement as a one off...
'Telegraph poll highlights differences between Britain and Argentina over Falkland Islands - A poll carried out by the Telegraph over two days in early January has highlighted the depth of feeling in both Britain and Argentina over the Falkland Islands.
In total there were 26,434 votes cast, with two thirds of the votes coming from Argentina, following a social media campaign.
In total, 73.82 per cent (19,514) voted for Argentina and 24.03 per cent (6,353) for Britain, with 2.14 per cent (567) stating the disputed territory should have shared sovereignty.
While the poll was by no means scientific, analysis of voting behaviour throws up some interesting – if unsurprising – results...'
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/10559061/Telegraph-poll-highlights-differences-between-Britain-and-Argentina-over-Falkland-Islands.html
84 Conqueror (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 06:38 pm
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85 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 06:41 pm Report abuse
75 Snr Thinky Dink

Good try Thinky,

You say...
“Antarctica is British...
S. Georgia Islands are British...
S. Sandwich Islands are British...
The Malvinas/Falklands are British...
All adjacent waters and natural ressources are British... ”

I say,
You are lying.

Antarctica:

There is an Internationsl Antarctica Treaty, and Argentina has signed it.

The UK has the smallest “claim”, even smaller than Argentina's claim.
Interestingly, Argentina is trying to establish an implanted population there now,
shipping in pregnant women.
However, they have difficulty even sending food and supplies.

Here you go Think, according to Wikidamia...

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_claims_in_Antarctica

“The South Orkney Islands fall within the territory claimed by Argentina and the United Kingdom, and the South Shetland Islands fall within the areas claimed by Argentina, Chile, and the United Kingdom. The UK, France, Australia, New Zealand and Norway all recognize each other's claims.[1] None of these claims overlap. ”

As to the South Georgia and South Sandwich Islsnds, if they are not British, whose are they?
Certainly not Argentina's.
Just ask them, they'll give you a very clear answer.

I believe there is some sort of international agreement about “adjacent waters and resources” surrounding a state or territory.
Argentina perverts it to claim the Falklands and their resources.

Think,
You are LYING and you sound BITTER.

Too bad.
86 Andy65 (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
I thought THINK was dead where did he re appear from
87 Jack Bauer (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
I'm impressed by the stupidity and the total lack of good sense of the Argentine government.....and all to distract “los súditos de la Reina”.......no wonder CFK has no time for serious government...the economy is crumbling under her feet and she couldn't give a damn ....when the s**t really hits the fan, she can always run for cover, to Brazil, notorious for granting asylum to criminals.
88 Faz (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 07:05 pm Report abuse
#87...someone switched his electric back on !
89 paulcedron (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 07:09 pm Report abuse
84
keyboard warrior strikes again.
with his (her?) inflamed discourse full of dirty words (you forgot the capital letters this time?).
you would shit your pants while the gurkhas, the u.s.a., or any other mercenary save your ass.
90 Think (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 07:10 pm Report abuse
Woooow, the turnip at (87) Mr. Jack Bauer fulfilled his threat to dialogue in perfect Spanish to us!

Four (4) Spanish words...:
“los súditos de la Reina” he typed...
But....... what the heck is a “súdito” ???

What
91 Jack Bauer (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
88, “someone switched his electric back on !”.......ELECTRIC ?? wtf is that supposed to mean ? .....electricity ? if so, THAT is something we DO have...all the time.
90, look it up in google...
good riddance , turds !
92 Think (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 07:49 pm Report abuse
Turnip at (91)

You say...:
“look it up in google...”
I say...:
Don't need Google to know that “súdito” ain't Spanish....
93 Anbar (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 08:00 pm Report abuse
I saw this article and really wondered if it was a joke.

Does Argentina have anything that is still afloat other than its sewage output?

Cant wait for them to send some rusty tub into FI waters and have to be rescued by the RN.
94 A_Voice (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
Beep beep beep ...warning proceed with caution....Brit wannabe or weird national or double bluff puppet alert!!!

Hands up any Brit poster that didn't understand Faz @88 comment about switching the Electric back on.....or in fact any other poster....other than Jack Shit....

This will really confuse him..... “switched his lecky back on...”
95 Jack Bauer (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
#92, oops ! so I forgot the 'b'..whats yr point ? that your English is perfect ?
96 Porkchop (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 08:56 pm Report abuse
Think

'Let the game begin.......'

You could say the game began in 1982... how much further have you fools advanced since...? Not much.

Haw

Haw

HAW
97 yankeeboy (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
And we have a new record $11.21/U$1
Tinkaroo, still no comment as your economy swirls down the toilet?
Won Decade
Lost Generation
Bahahahaha
98 golfcronie (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
Why does Argentina want sovereignty over the FALKLANDS? Anyone?
99 HansNiesund (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 09:57 pm Report abuse
@98

Because a bloke in a rowing boat mocked the national manhood in 1833. That's why.

Obviously, after an outrage like that, you'd be pretty sharpish about creating a Secretariat of Willy Waving some two centuries later.
100 mikey48 (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
Looks as argentina are spoiling for another quick war,need a good slapping with a wet haddock.Their laws holds no water,falklands is in international waters,argentinian laws hold nothing.But they need to be taught a lesson so can shut them up once and for all.
101 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 10:13 pm Report abuse
97 yankeeboy (#)
Jan 15th, 2014 - 09:15 pm

At that rate you can have 18.38 Argentine Pesos for just Sterling-£1. Maybe the Falkland Islands can buy Argentina out with the kids pocket money.

Out of interest. The news the other day that KFC wanted to move the capital from BsAs to......................I dunno? Somewhere else. Is she just getting scared of going to BsAs d'ya reckon? Now she knows that the writing is on the wall and she can't keep the bullsh!t circus going for much longer?
102 yankeeboy (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 10:21 pm Report abuse
101. Think how many more pesos o/g imports, technology, etc etc etc has gotten over the last month alone.
More pesos
More inflation
so you need more pesos
so you get more inflation
so you need more peso
so you get more inflation
on and one until
it ends with hyperinflation
right around the corner.

I am practically giddy with anticipation!
103 lsolde (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 10:23 pm Report abuse
@98 golfcronie,
Because they lost the war & their precious Latin Am pride has been hurt & they don't like it. Or as our US friends say:- they're butthurt.
When pride is at stake, its permissable, nay obligatory to lie(Argentine proverb?).
Haven't you seen their football antics? Primadonnas, the whole shower of them.
@75 Think,
So you think Argentina has a better right to this territory, than us?
Why?
We found & claimed it many years before your silly country even existed.
So you got your independence from Spain, then go aclaiming other peoples land & you think that this is your RIGHT?
In that case, when we get our independence from the UK, we will start claiming great swarthes of Argentina, no?
lt makes as much sense.
You want to use proximity, so can we.
TDF is closer to us than BsAs, so by malvinista logic, it belongs to us & you are an implanted usurping non-people.
l demand/insist(favourite Argentine words) that you sit down & negotiate the sovereignty of TDF with us.
Don't be a fool all your life, Think
104 yankeeboy (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 10:30 pm Report abuse
103. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
105 Escoses Doido (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 11:11 pm Report abuse
The most they will do, is bully any foreign vessel with a Falklands fishing permit.
But if they come in to Falklands waters, in the process, they will be in for a very rude awakening.
106 paulcedron (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 01:26 am Report abuse
the most the govt can do is, like with the oil companies, to ban all those fishery companies that operate in malvinas falklands, to operate in argentine waters.
now look at a map and try to guess which one, the fishery companies will choose.
i hate menem and company but i guess things would be different now if the uk and the islanders had accepted some of the propositions of di tella
107 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 01:56 am Report abuse
“i hate menem and company but i guess things would be different now if the uk and the islanders had accepted some of the propositions of di tella”

Paul

Didn't Menem and the Brits come to an agreement on fisheries and other resources?

Nestor tore those up later, didn't he?
108 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 04:39 am Report abuse
102 yankeeboy
Fred, thanks for worrying so much about our currency but you should worry more about an intercontinental ballistic missile landing on top of your shiny head.

“Up to 37 nuclear missile launch officers implicated in Air Force drug, cheating scandal”

Read more: www.nydailynews.com/news/national/37-nuclear-missile-launch-officers-implicated-air-force-drug-cheating-scandal-article-1.1580812#ixzz2qX9MAEUS
109 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 06:19 am Report abuse
108 Marcos

“ ...you should worry more about an intercontinental ballistic missile landing on top of your shiny head. ”

Are you kidding?

Way off-topic, Marcos.

Try this, it's more realistic:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=pg4mMiuk0Aw
110 yankeeboy (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 09:49 am Report abuse
Marcos, I am much happier seeing reserves fall below U$30B.
People are getting antsy
I can feel it from here

Won decade make me laugh and laugh every time I hear it
How stupid are these people?
111 lsolde (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 10:01 am Report abuse
@109Troy Tempest,
Maybe Argentina has borrowed some cash from the Pleiadians, is refusing to pay it back & they've come looking for the money owed to them.
Good luck Pleiades, lol!
112 Briton (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 10:34 am Report abuse
62 Room101
you are correct,
but it is the biggest we have built,

but lets all hope that both will be used, and they do the job they were built for,

my government has a history of corner cutting..
113 GALlamosa (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 11:00 am Report abuse
They did all this years ago, the industry has adjusted and knows how to work the fishery. It is just bluster to pretend to the Argentine people that they are doing something/winning the human rights argument. Anyone remember how many aircraft carriers they sank in the war, and up until what date they were winning ? Regognise the parallel ?

Pure bullshit.
114 Lord Ton (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 11:22 am Report abuse
As I said - old wine in new bottles. Chances of success ?? Nil
115 paulcedron (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 11:46 am Report abuse
troy
you are right this time
116 nigelpwsmith (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 12:49 pm Report abuse
So if you're a fishing company and Argentina is threatening to refuse to allow you to fish in Argentine waters, if you already fish in Falkland Islands waters, then is it a difficult choice?....... No.

The Argentines have intentionally over-fished their waters, in the belief that if the fish disappeared from their waters, then the fish in Falklands waters would somehow 'migrate' to fill the empty area.

Of course this is total rubbish. Fish tend to be territorial. They know where the richer food sources are, so they stick to these areas. Over time, fish tend to inhabit areas where they feel safe from predators. By that I mean other fish as well as fishing boats. You can see proof of this is the behaviour of the fish around the concrete reefs in Spain and Gibraltar.

Not only have the numbers of fish increased on the reefs, but the fish make use of holes in the reef to hide. The net effect (no pun intended) is that the fish tend to congregate in shoals near the safe grounds and very few venture out into the unpopulated areas, unless driven to do so by hunger.

So if Argentina tells the Chinese and others that they cannot fish in Argentine waters, then they will only bother to buy Falklands licenses instead.

What Argentina is doing (in their stupidity) to bully the Falklands will have a backlash against Argentina which reduces the license fees they receive.

You get the feeling that they haven't thought this one through properly. Most probably because they have no scientific training and no experience with properly managing fishing grounds.

In other words, the Argentines are uneducated idiots, cutting their own noses off to spite their faces.
117 paulcedron (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 02:00 pm Report abuse
116.
the average catch in the falklands is 153258 tonnes
the average in argentina is 900.000 tonnes.
it is not rocket science, you just have to watch a map and compare the area.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_Argentina
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Falkland_Islands

again, it is not very diffcult to determine who the fishery companies will choose.
118 Pete Bog (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 06:32 pm Report abuse
@117

“again, it is not very diffcult to determine who the fishery companies will choose.”

Correct. If the fishing companies are happy with their catches around the islands and don't wish to extend further into Argentine waters, then they'll stay around the Islands.

It's not difficult to determine that.
119 Think (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
I normally try to ignore the turnips....... but Turnip at (116) is too Turnipy to ignore.....

He says...:
“ The Argentines have intentionally over-fished their waters, in the belief that if the fish disappeared from their waters, then the fish in Falklands waters would somehow 'migrate' to fill the empty area......

Of course this is total rubbish. Fish tend to be territorial.......

You get the feeling that they haven't thought this one through properly. Most probably because they have no scientific training and no experience with properly managing fishing grounds........”

I say....:
I get the feeling that Turnip at (116) doesn't know much about fish.......
Certainly nothing about the “Illex Argentinus”, the squid species that stands for ~80% of the economic value of the Malvinas catches.....
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Falkland_Islands#Fish_stocks

What a Turnip!
120 yankeeboy (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 07:20 pm Report abuse
Oh TInkaroo you are conspicuously absent from the oh so many threads about Argentina's economic death spiral.
Don't you know how foolish you look after all this time thinking it was working.
And there I was trying to help you
I hope you saved sugar to trade like I told you to.
121 Gordo1 (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 09:08 pm Report abuse
I am presently in a Latin American country and the people I have met here are appalled at the arrogant behaviour of Argentina. H de P is the politest comment!
122 nigelpwsmith (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 11:41 pm Report abuse
Someone with a degree in Microbiology & Virology, knows a hell of a lot more than a thieving Argie.
123 paulcedron (#) Jan 17th, 2014 - 12:41 am Report abuse
121
in a latin american country?
are you referring to malvinas / falklands?
that is a colony, im afraid.
124 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 17th, 2014 - 08:11 am Report abuse
123 NOSTRILS

Sure it is, LOL !!

Sorry, TIT, they're sitting on your doorstep and making you look uncivilised in comparison

Ja ja ja ja ....
125 lsolde (#) Jan 17th, 2014 - 09:59 am Report abuse
@Think,
Thinky-boy, you haven't answered my post #103.
ls it because:-
1) you can't
2) your handlers won't let you
3) you hope that everyone has forgotten by now.
So why do you think that Argentina has a better claim than us?
Bearing in mind that:-
1) Proximity means nothing.
2) We were here before you.
3) The so-called “expulsion” of tresspassing Argentines has been proven to be a lie.
4) We never killed anyone to claim these lands, whereas you did.
5) ln the case of South Georgia, no Argentine has ever lived there & the UK discovered & claimed them before Argentina even existed.
6) Ditto for other British territory in the South Atlantic, that Argentina is “claiming”.
A swift honest(if possible) answer would be much appreciated, m Think.
126 nigelpwsmith (#) Jan 17th, 2014 - 10:07 am Report abuse
The Falkland Islands is not a 'colony'. It is a self-governed territory that chooses by their right of SELF-DETERMINATION, to be affiliated with a country who respects their rights to live their lives in security and how they wish and not to force them to do anything.

The 'Malvinas' is a figment of the lies created by Argentines to justify their attempt to steal territory which belongs to another people. Just as the Argentines stole Patagonia from the Indians and murdered thousands of them when they protested.

The Falkland Islanders have a thriving community. They are economically well off, have a surplus, do not have any worries about the lights going out because the government cannot pay its bills, do not worry about inflation, do not worry about the future, because they can get at their natural resources.

The Argentines by comparison are a decrepit bunch of thieves who would steal from their neighbour given the opportunity. They live in a society where they allow the politicians to corruptly gain office through bribes and once in office, they then proceed to rob the country of its natural wealth. They offer crackpot solutions to reduce prices, which puts more of the country in the control of criminals and black marketeers. They refuse to settle their international debts and then wonder no one wants to do business with them without receiving their payment up front.

The Falklands makes Argentina appear uncivilised and third world, because the Argentines have not learned to behave like civilised adults. They have not matured enough to understand that you do not steal what does not belong to you.
127 Gordo1 (#) Jan 17th, 2014 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
No - I am physically present in a Spanish speaking mainland country where people from Argentina are decidely not welcome and it is not Chile!
128 paulcedron (#) Jan 18th, 2014 - 12:40 am Report abuse
less welcome than the brits?
i strongly doubt it, gordo trolo
129 ShadowWalker (#) Jan 18th, 2014 - 08:33 am Report abuse
Im guessing my first comment disappeared :( I'll retype some of it. I have been reading posts on this site for months now and the comments have kept me amused the comedy gold of the malvanistas on this site is priceless lol. That said this article has actually made me want to post as its really really annoyed me! The rg govt are nothing but bullies and crooks the attempted dehumanisation of the Falkland Islanders is abhorrent and unacceptable and this attempted attack on the Islands economy is another example of your leaders nastiness. The Islanders have quite plainly stated they dont want you in charge so leave em alone already, they've been there longer than your country has existed. Everybody I know supports the Falkland Islanders right to self determination. That said how does the rg govt intend to enforce these illegal acts of piracy without incurring the justified response from HRH forces in the area? Ive seen one poster refer to British naval vessels using torpedoes personally I think that 50cal machine guns would be adequate against dingies as thats all the rg's can really afford (I think somali pirates are better equipped than your rg navy lol).

PS If i make any spelling gramatical or punctuation errors I apologise Im dyslexic but will attempt to keep any errors in my posts to a minimum :)
130 nigelpwsmith (#) Jan 18th, 2014 - 12:18 pm Report abuse
@129
Thank you for your contribution to the discussion.

I wouldn't worry about grammar or spelling, because a few of the Malvanistas are using translating tools and make common errors.

What matters is that you voiced your disapproval of one country bullying another merely because they want to steal it from the true owners, the Falkland Islanders.

Argentina refuses to even acknowledge that the Islanders exist as a community, because to do so would admit that they have rights.

They demand talks, but only talks on how the Islands are to be handed over - not whether they belong to Argentina in the first place, which they clearly don't.

Argentina's claim has no legal validity, but they simply ignore this, ignore the Islanders, scream and stamp their feet like a petulent child demanding that the world should hand over to them what they could not steal by force of arms.

Argentina's economy is rapidly imploding. In December, rather than actually earn money through trade, the Argentine Government simply printed an extra 40 Billion Peso, devaluing their currency even more. Argentine people would rather have the dollar than the Peso. A sign of a true third world country, that they cannot manage their own currency.

Hyper-inflation is only a short step away. The Police were recently given massive pay rises to stop the strikes, but to pay for this, the Government is forced to print money. So inflation spirals upwards and others make equally large pay demands. It's the sign that this country is about to implode.

Very soon, they won't even be able to import enough oil to keep their vehicles running, let alone keep the power stations operating. They already have power cuts, so it's likely that when the lights go out for good, anarchy (or rather the criminals) will take over.

These threats to interfere with the Falklands fishing are merely the dying gasps of a bankrupt regime. There may be a Coup in the very near future. I would not be surprised to hear of CFK's demise.
131 ShadowWalker (#) Jan 18th, 2014 - 09:35 pm Report abuse
@130 thank you for the welcome unfortunately Ive already encountered a malvanista who chose to pull me up on punctuation not very politely either apparently Im lazy. After the comment I randomly threw in punctuation and that seemed to prove his point (at least thats the impression I got) another one of this individuals little gems was that bi polar disorder can be fixed by a nights sleep. I was actually more than a little irritated by this I made a throw away comment about been awake for 2 days and apparently that means I was up playing on the computer and avoiding sleep Im not used to being ashamed of my health problems so in my naivete I offered an explanation (ok I said a few things but I was well in the realm of banter) oh well in future Ill know better lol.
Ive been drifting about here reading stories and comments for a while but this story was the straw that broke the camels back its my strong belief that the islanders should be able to speak up for themselves without the interference of a hostile imperialist neighbor giving them undeserved grief thats why I created an account and decided to add my voice. After the posters last comment to me everything I have suspected was thoroughly confirmed the malvanistas are bigoted ar***oles. I also agree with your analysis rg land is about to implode I think the only thing left is to see is how long the death throws will last it really is a shame for the rg's that just want to live in peace with a secure roof over their families heads those I feel for but the nasty minded malvanistas they brought it all on themselves. Im no historian but I know the falklands were settled before their country was even formed they have no claim whatsoever and its my belief that my govt only ever treated with them on the subject to keep peace in the region and that was spit back in our faces so they can just go forth and (dont) multiply as far as Im concerned.
132 Doggy Rap (#) Jan 18th, 2014 - 09:48 pm Report abuse
# 125 lsolde

as usual you won't get an answer from the nincompoop who for unintelligible reasons call himself Think. As soon as the answer to a question exposes his lies, he disappears as all cowards do.
133 Gordo1 (#) Jan 19th, 2014 - 01:55 pm Report abuse
@128 cauldron
I can assure you that the British presence here far exceeds that of Argentina and we are made very welcome whereas your lot are represented by a minute embassy and a dozen or so second and third class soccer players imported to play in the lower divisions.
134 Pete Bog (#) Jan 20th, 2014 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
@123

“that is a colony, im afraid.”

It can't be as the Governor no longer has the right to vote or lead the FIG as was the case in the past.

The laws in the Falklands are made by FIG, not the UK parliament.

You are at least 30 years behind and need to catch up with the 21st century.
135 Oder 1001 (#) Jan 21st, 2014 - 01:01 am Report abuse
134 Pete Bog
Your being over generous when you say he`s only 30 years behind. The colonies form 1948 to the 1970s went independent so it`S closer to 60 years taken into account the time to get through to the Argentines so even a catch up would only bring him to the start of the 21 century while the rest of the world are half way through it.
136 Narine T. Nüster (#) Jan 21st, 2014 - 04:52 am Report abuse
”They (argentines) have not matured enough to understand that you do not steal what does not belong to you.”

Give the Argentines a break. After all, it took us Europeans 3000 years to learn this one short commandment... not much of anyone to judge others, are we? :(

Hope that we have finally changed. But even so, that gives the Argentines 2,800 years of a free pass until we Europeans can call them worse pupils in this lesson of life.
137 Oder 1001 (#) Jan 21st, 2014 - 09:50 am Report abuse
136 Narine T. Nüster

anytime the RG s wish to call it off or give it a break all they have to do is get off the islanders back, if you wish to feel guilty over your European history that's your problem, why should the islanders be subject to the rage of Argentines over their presence on the islands. The Argentine history was as bad if not worse than Spanish in Latin America, the islanders settled on the islands that were unoccupied, as for your little piece of wisdom do you think the Argentines understand it?, free pass? not on your life, no excuse to allow Argentine victimisation of the islanders, your passive indifference is your answer many more people know what is right and wrong. What it shows is they are so far behind they will never catch up! doubtful the RGs will wait 2,800 years
138 nigelpwsmith (#) Jan 21st, 2014 - 12:21 pm Report abuse
The Argentines don't get a break.

You want to play with the big boys, you need to learn the rules.

You do not invade your neighbours.

You do not try to bully them to obey you.

You do not try to murder or commit genocide against the native inhabitants of any land.

You pay your debts...

In full and on time.

Are you seriously suggesting that Argentina has 'de-evolved' 3,000 years.

If that's the case, then maybe it would be a mercy to remove Buenos Aires from the map and let the Amerindians start again.
139 Oder 1001 (#) Jan 23rd, 2014 - 10:15 pm Report abuse
73 GFace (#)
its not a defence response situation if foreign ships legally fishing in Falkland waters are interfered with then it is a matter of piracy on the high seas which is an act of war (and still is today) against the nationality of the ship and the islands so it s claim of militarisation falls flat, even when dealing with a wayward child if they don't listen its is inevitable you will have to discipline it later at some point in time. the international community will not fall on the side of Argentina while they attack international commercial shipping, like all bullies young or old if they don't have the common sense to see and realise what they are doing then confrontation is inevitable and judging by they history they are prone to do just that regardless of their promises, they have said previous they will not attack the islands but they did! words treaties promises mean very little to them. the world for the moment is prepared to ignore this situation because quite frankly can not be arsed with Argentines but if they start interfering in the commercial interests of countries over the claim to islands they are not likely to get much support so even they will have to be just careful it wouldn`t take long to fix for the one or to ships that still floats in their navy.

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