Tuesday, January 14th 2014 - 07:23 UTC

Prison sentences for those who drill for oil in Malvinas waters, warns Argentina

”Argentina will defend its claim” over the Malvinas Islands and companies drilling for oil off the coast of the contested resource-rich archipelago “will not only face administrative consequences but also prison sentences” warned Daniel Filmus, head of Argentina's recently created Malvinas Islands Secretariat, in an interview with The Guardian.

 “We will go to the international courts” promised Filmus head of Malvinas Secretariat

 “We will go to the international courts” the British paper quotes Filmus who ratified the determination of President Cristina Fernández administration to settle the Malvinas question through “dialogue.”

“There are few issues in Argentina that provoke such heartfelt support from not only all political forces but from the population in general” the former Senator and ex Education Minister stated.

Argentina recently passed a law that sets sanctions on foreign companies that carry out hydrocarbon exploration and exploitation activities in the disputed territories and its surrounding areas, with President Cristina Fernandez personally accusing the coalition government of British PM David Cameron of “looting” Argentines’ natural resources in several public appearances.

“Who does not obtain the permit (from Argentina) will not only face administrative consequences but also prison sentences” explained Daniel Filmus, the former Senator who failed to renew his bench in last October's mid-term election.

Regarding the Falklands/Malvinas Islands’ inhabitants, Filmus renewed the stance that the United Nations has recognized the Malvinas question as a territorial dispute and not a controversy that involves the observance of peoples’ right to self-determination, a pledge London has maintained over the past years.

Last March a referendum was held in the Falkland Islands, with international observers, in which an overwhelming majority reaffirmed their decision to remain a British Overseas Territory.

”There are 250,000 British descendants in Argentina, but they don’t claim the land they stand on is British,” Filmus argued.

When queried about the sovereignty talks Buenos Aires and London had held prior to the 1982 South Atlantic War conducted by Argentina’s then ruling military dictatorship, Filmus considered such negotiations proves the UK that the bilateral dispute “exists.”

“Those (previous) talks implied the recognition of the existence of the dispute and that the way to resolve it was by both sides sitting down in an adult fashion to talk”, the Malvinas Islands Affairs Secretary told The Guardian.

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1 AzaUK (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 07:54 am Report abuse
laughable Ha Ha ha
2 Britworker (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 07:58 am Report abuse
Comedy Central has relocated to BA. The banana republic strikes again!
3 Conor J (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 07:59 am Report abuse
And the international courts will promptly tell you to bugger off.
Honestly its been 180+ years, an illegal murderous penal colony, Argie land dropping its claims until mid ww2 and then a fascist dictatorship invading, and what has changed? Nothing! The Falklands haven't changed their political stance by an inch in nearly two centuries, perhaps its time the Argies realised that they are stabbing in the dark with no results.
4 Xect (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 08:04 am Report abuse
“We will go to the international courts”

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAH
5 Britworker (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 08:08 am Report abuse
He has to talk big, he is in essence getting paid for nothing. He lost an election and this was his consolation prize. He is a minister without portfolio, the Narnia secretariat claiming Pangaea.
6 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 08:18 am Report abuse
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah....l.l.......hahahahahahahahaha.....hahahahahahahahah.

Poor Fillymouse.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
7 Martin Woodhead (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 08:50 am Report abuse
Come at me Bro :)
8 inthegutter (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 09:02 am Report abuse
While I suspect they'd never actually be able to prosecute anyone the threat might enough to persuade some companies not to invest.

Those that do may be faced with expensive litigation, and while the Argentine government seems happy to squander the Argentine peoples resources I think a commercial entity would be less happy.

Perhaps people here might know, but would the Falklands declaring independence (not that they should be forced to do so) actually solve anything? At what point does a state becomes sovereign [a majority in the UNGA?]? and is a sovereign state immune from claims over its entire territory?
9 Vulcanbomber (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 09:14 am Report abuse
made me laugh over my breakfast

The people have spoken, no two bit bankrupt and morally unsound nation could ever have a claim over the islanders, they have spoken

US companies providing the dock facility!!

Lets see Argentina take them on
10 Redrow (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 09:32 am Report abuse
“Those (previous) talks implied the recognition of the existence of the dispute and that the way to resolve it was by both sides sitting down in an adult fashion to talk”, the Malvinas Islands Affairs Secretary told The Guardian.

Yes I seem to recall there was a dispute but didn't Argentina choose to settle it by war in 1982? Also full credit to Mercopress for use of irony - i.e. “let's be mature and face 21st century realities, said the Malvinas Islands Affairs Secretary”!!

Also, every time Argentina threatens court but doesn't actually go, simply makes their threats look emptier and emptier. Only threaten what you are actually willing to see through - are these not the people who are worried about losing face? Why then do they design situations where them losing face is always the only possible outcome?
11 ElaineB (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 09:34 am Report abuse
@8 I am not sure companies would be faces with expensive litigation. These are empty threats - again - from an impotent government.
12 Room101 (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 09:45 am Report abuse
“There are few issues in Argentina that provoke such heartfelt support from not only all political forces but from the population in general”
Well that's a great shame, isn't it, if that is all you think you can inspire your people with.
You obviously don't understand them.
13 lsolde (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 09:51 am Report abuse
Silly ldiot, Filmus.
You're making your country look even sillier than it is.
l'll now pass a law that you have to wear a green tie at all times, even in bed.
lf you don't(& l catch up with you!)then you'll go to Prison.
There's the rub-- l have no authority in Sillytina, l mean Argentina & you have none in the Falklands.
So go bag your head, you silly nong.
14 Mendoza Canadian (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 10:10 am Report abuse
Even the worst criminals get out of prison early here. And of course you can always call a taxi to just come and pick you up when you feel like leaving. Its been done...
15 Captain Poppy (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 10:11 am Report abuse
I sure would love to see the enforcement process outside of Argentina. Will they go to the ICJ for enforcement and then leaving themselves having to prove jurisdictional integrity? Empty threats......like pissing in a snowbank.
16 inthegutter (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 10:35 am Report abuse
They'd be powerless against any company which didn't also operate in Argentina but those that did could face problems (or at least harassment of their Argentine operations).

I did some quick research and if the Falklands wanted to become a member of the UN (not necessarily the same thing as a sovereign state) they'd need the approval of the 2/3 of UNSC and UNGA (with none of the 5 permanent members vetoing). Would the Falklands pass this hurdle?
17 ElaineB (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 10:50 am Report abuse
@16 The Falkland Islanders held a referendum and overwhelmingly voted to stay a BOT. It is perfectly possible that they may because independent in the future but they are content to remain as they are until their acquisitive neighbours change their ridiculous and aggressive behaviour. Or maybe they will remain a BOT forever, it is entirely their decision.
18 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 11:05 am Report abuse
China is the possible veto IMO, as they have their own island groups which they wish to colonise against the wishes of the population.

France and the UK would support, the US would abstain as would probably Russia.

As far as the UNGA is concerned it would be close to 66% in favour of support, with all of LATAM, and a few pariah states voting with Argentina.
19 LEPRecon (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 11:21 am Report abuse
Another useless waste of time and money by the Argentine government.

None of this means anything, and they will soon be out of office and running for their overseas safe havens with all the Argentine taxpayers money, that they have squirrelled away over the years.

Tick, tock. Only a matter of time.

And every year that goes by strengthens the Falkland Islanders position and weakens Argentina's already pathetically weak position.

One day, though, Argentina will do something monumentally stupid - again (like they did in 1982), and the UK will swat them like they annoying pests that they are.
20 inthegutter (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 11:33 am Report abuse
#17 Oh, I don't think we should force independence on FIs. Even if we did I would support the establishment of a formal bilateral defence treaty and the leasing of MP (and surrounds) as RAF/RN/BA “training” establishment.

I just wonder if an independent Falkland Islands would be any better treated by its neighbours than it is as a BOT? It would also look very interesting if an independent FIs was denied UN membership.
21 Escoses Doido (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 11:53 am Report abuse
Filmus = Best laugh I've had this week.

LMFAO at the bellend!!!!
22 yankeeboy (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 11:57 am Report abuse
As I have said many times. The K regime is failing, they will act as a cornered animal barking, biting and lunging at everything.

They are too narcissistic and egomaniacle to realize the tide has turned against them.
23 Optimus_Princeps (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 12:02 pm Report abuse
Hilarious. They don't have the authority, the jurisdiction, or god forbid the resources. I guess they are trying to squeeze the last ounce of credibility they have with idiots that get sentimental over a couple of tiny islands.
24 ElaineB (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 12:21 pm Report abuse
@20 That is an interesting point but I would assert that Argentina would be even more aggressive towards the Falkland Islanders. It could be argued that only the defence support from the British holds Argentina back from another invasion. But I am not so sure about that.

Independence would only mean the Argentine propaganda would change from 'Britich colonial oppression' of the Falklanders, as they have claimed in the past, to 'the Falkland Islanders want to be Argentinean and even the British agree'.

You have to understand that the Falklands only has any real use to the Argentine government as a propaganda tool to unite the country in a shared cause. If they had them they wouldn't want them. They wouldn't know what to do with them after the initial party was over and then what would they use to stir up nationalism against an imagine enemy?
25 Leiard (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 12:23 pm Report abuse
As it stands their threats are worthless, the Falkland Islands are still classified by the UN as a “British” overseas territory, as such they have no UN recognised jurisdiction of the Falkland Islands and it's territorial waters.

The claim for South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and adjoining maritime spaces is even more of a joke.
26 Anglotino (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 12:41 pm Report abuse
This could be good news. After all, no one has done more for the Falkland Islands' sense of nationhood than the Kirchner government.

By finally getting the sovereignty question out into the international arena, Argentina might finally force someone somewhere to adjudicate on who has sovereignty.

If they adjudicate that the UK has sovereignty then Argentina loses its most potent weapon.

If they adjudicate that Argentina has sovereignty then the UK will appeal to or ask the ICJ for an advisory opinion, probably centred on the Islanders' rights to self determination as a UN non self governing territory. Again Argentina loses because the UN has clearly extended this right tithe Falkland Islanders.

So I say bring it on. Can't wait. It will be another spectacular own goal by Argentina. Like 1982 was.
27 GFace (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
Come and get them, you pathetic little Mavanazi. That is, of you dare. Filmus is going to have a very impotent frustrating and disappointing year.

@18 I think to break a tie US between freedom and fascism, the US may step in. Congress has pro-Falklands leaning as does “the street.” 21st century nazis wanting their Poland back vs. plucky islanders, yeah, the islanders will win.
28 Conqueror (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 01:15 pm Report abuse
@8 Think for a minute. Do you believe any company wouldn't consult lawyers?
How do you face expensive litigation if you don't go? Name me one international court that can enforce its judgements in the UK. Or the U.S. Or anywhere else. They all depend on national authorities.
Regarding your question, you might consider these points. The Falkland Islands are/is not a member of the UN. The UN only has any relevance because the Falklands are a British territory. If the Falkland Islands declared independence, and the UK agreed, the UN has no say. The Falkland Islands could decline to join the UN. The UN has no right to impose its views on a non-member. In fact, the UNGA cannot impose its views on anyone. The resolutions of the UN Security Council “should” be respected by all UN members. But argieland blew that one in 1982. I suggest it is unlikely that the Falklands would declare independence without a major defence treaty with the UK. I'm not sure anything would change. Argieland could still “claim”. The Falkland Islands could still say “Piss off”. But the UK “might” be able to say “One move and we'll nuke you”. Have to study that last one. The UNGA isn't a “world government”.
@13 Have to agree with you, Isolde. Example correspondence. International court writes to UK authorities; “A member of your population has been found guilty of an offence in a case brought by the argie authorities”. UK response; “The UK does not recognise any jurisdiction on the part of the argie authorities”. This translates as “Sod off”. Requirement on any “offender”? Avoid any country tempted to extradite.
@16 Taiwan isn't a member of the UN. Has it hurt?
@18 One declaration and the UN has NO say! In fact, it might be an idea for the FI to declare independence and for the UK to agree. With defence treaty. It would be an education to see the entire Royal Navy submarine force offshore argieland and launching all their cruise missiles. Withdrawing to reload. Back to the front.
29 Swede (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 01:25 pm Report abuse
It will be interesting to see what effect the “warning” issued by this “Secretariat” will have. Perhaps some companies will refrain from working with the FI, others will choose them before Argentina. In the long term Argentina could be the loser. Some directors will maybe have to think twice before entering Argentine territory as they could get arrested. But why should other countries get involved and arresting people for a a “crime” which is only punishable in Argentina?
30 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 01:41 pm Report abuse
Swede

Simply, no other country (save perhaps Ecuador or Venezuala) would take any heed of this.

The most interesting of this would be the CEO of Noble.

I would love him to fly into buenos Aires and for the Argentine government to arrest him, an American national. How hilarious that would be!!

Or better still for them not to arrest him, further highlighting their impotence.

So whats it to be..Laugh my fracking arse off!!!
31 Orbit (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 01:52 pm Report abuse
29/30 - agreed - by the time Argentina is a place where the international community actually want to do business, FI oil will be flowing anyway. The world is a big place, lots of markets, lots of opportunities. Other countries go out of their way to attract scarce investment, Argentina do the opposite.

The day of the YPF nationalisation, was the day I stopped worrying about Argentina's potential threat to the Falkland Islands oil industry. It was Game Over, Insert Coin.
32 yankeeboy (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 02:15 pm Report abuse
31. Repsol and YPF have been very quiet on the settlement proceedings. I wonder what is going on.
33 JohnN (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
Filmus' rants that Falklands oil explorers are criminals should cause EU to put a halt to any further free trade discussions that would include Argentina until and unless those rants stop. Free trade with EU cannot exclude or allow to be criminalized official EU overseas territories, including Falkland Islands amongst the several other OTs of Denmark, France, Netherlands and Spain.
34 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 02:36 pm Report abuse
Poor Daniel Filmus!!!

He may as well go and stand at some traffic lights somewhere and shout at the passing cars, for all the good it will do him.

Yet another example of argentina trying ( and failing ) to bully the Falkland Islanders.

Still, why should I complain? he is good for a laugh isn't he?
35 Jack Bauer (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
“We will go to the international courts” the British paper quotes Filmus, &
“President Cristina Fernandez personally accusing the coalition government of British PM David Cameron of “looting” Argentines’ natural resources”..
HILARIOUS !!!
36 LEPRecon (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 03:05 pm Report abuse
@35 Jack Bauer

It is hilarious.

Why doesn't Argentina take the UK to the ICJ since they are 'apparently' looting Argentina's natural resources?

I mean all they have to do is prove that the Falkland Islands and it EEZ is Argentine territory...oh wait...that's something that they can't do is it? If they could, they would've been at the ICJ years ago.
37 GFace (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
@35, I look forward to them issuing red notices to Interpol they are already feeling the heat from being used as delivery boys carrying home dissents to dictators.

But through all of it the Falklands have been scofflaws to so much Argentine law. Not paying taxes to Buenos Aires, not doing what Buenos Aires says, fraudulently pretending to represent the Islands when they visit Latin America when “everyone” knows it's run from Ushuaia (though we know the jewel in the crown of Argentine Fascism they so proudly celebrate would really have to be ruled from the presidential office with all the oil booty going into their private accounts). And of course the greatest offense to latin american solidarity AND Argentina law: not watching Dr. Who dubbed in Spanish.

That's more than six illegal things BEFORE breakfast, and the day is young, folks. Yet NOT ONE delegate from that dastardly criminal enterprise has EVER been arrested when traveling in Latin America and deported to Argentina for trial OR even as a “gesture” deported “back” to London.

Good luck with this new law. If only they hadn't torn up those agreements Menem made.
38 Brit Bob (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 04:10 pm Report abuse
With its make believe inflation figures and its 106th position in the Global Transparency Index, Argentina makes a fictitious appointment and makes baseless threats. Argentina, you are the laughingstock of Latin America.
39 Boovis (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 04:58 pm Report abuse
To paraphrase themselves “Argentina is a lion that never roared...or had teeth...or was a lion... Argentina is a nation of pussies.”
40 Faz (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 05:15 pm Report abuse
As for RGs tuning into Dr Who, they can alternatively listen to Gurkha Radio now being transmitted on the Falklands. You can hear the sound of those Khukris being sharpened between tracks - it will make the RGs wet themselves and vow never to invade again.

Why doest our government make it a jailing offence to be a Malvinista? We could then bag Gollum and the trolley dolly up on Dartmoor when Gollum makes his next furtive visit to Harrods.
41 Corvus corax (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 05:27 pm Report abuse
Yet more Malvinista wet dream thinking with “We will go to the international courts”.

Go right ahead with that threat. It will dispel the malvinista myth of 'Las Malvinas' when the facts are presented in front of a Judge.
42 paulcedron (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 05:38 pm Report abuse
nobody takes filmus seriously here.
it seems you are giving him a lot more credit than he deserves.
and how could the govt imprison a bunch of businessmen?
now, what the govt can do is banning the companies that work in the islands, to work in vaca muerta.
considering the size of vaca muerta, that could affect some companies.
but that´s it.
and nobody is going to invade anything.
so save your gurkhas for yourself
43 ElaineB (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 06:27 pm Report abuse
@42 I pretty much agree with that.
44 Redrow (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 06:30 pm Report abuse
@47
“nobody takes filmus seriously here.
it seems you are giving him a lot more credit than he deserves.”

We are all well aware that the Great Lie is purely for internal consumption, however if no-one takes it seriously even in Argentina then what exactly is the point? Are you not angry that he is going to keep getting paid for effectively nothing?
45 yankeeboy (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 06:38 pm Report abuse
They have approximately (nobody really knows how many) 250K noquis (Rg Term) for Gov't workers that are paid salaries to do nothing not even show up to work.
Corruptions is endemic and their society is rotten to the core.
46 Briton (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 07:36 pm Report abuse
Words and threats,,
Words and threats,

What we need, is for CFK and her mighty nation to put this into ACTION.

We want the Argentina navy to stop a British ship, arrest the crew and take them to argentina, and sent to prison,

Then and only then, we will see who has the balls,>>>>>

P/S
Just a thought,
Anyone who deals with the Falklands can be arrested if they land on argy soil…

So what if a British politician goes to the Falklands, than stops in argentina on the way back,

Surley she would have to arrest him, ??? ..

All childish talk , and the world get to laugh again..lol

.
47 AzaUK (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 08:27 pm Report abuse
The Argentine dog trying to show its teeth when everyone knoe they have no bite to back it up with. bullys to the world since 1826
48 ljb (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
Just when you think it isn't possible to be more stupid............
49 mikey48 (#) Jan 14th, 2014 - 09:29 pm Report abuse
Well this has to prove how stupid and brainless the argentine goverment.Thier claims hold no water(HAHAHAJOKE) The Falklands island is in international waters over 450miles from argentina.So too far out for any of the laws to become applicable.As for oil crews and shipping and drilling rigs.Can all be operated from falklands islands.All equipment on ships,all pays from falklands,fuel from falklands.Any financial means can be done thro brazil.Argentina go home.
50 Doggy Rap (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 12:42 am Report abuse
Time for Britain to show 'no more Mr. nice guy'.

Tell any company doing business in Argentina that they can no longer do business in the UK.

No more Mr. nice guy!
51 Pete Bog (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 12:52 am Report abuse
“We will go to the international courts” t”

Go ahead and give us a laugh.
52 Be serious (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 07:46 am Report abuse
Perhaps those 250000 British descendants should declare Independence from the Hispanics. Am sure UK Government would offer recognition and support.
53 Redrow (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 09:09 am Report abuse
So 250,000 people left Britain for a better life in Argentina. I wonder how that is working out for them?
54 lsolde (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 09:37 am Report abuse
@53 Redrow,
Well Argentina WAS a good place until the Peronistas corrupted the country.
And it could be good, even great, if Argentina got rid of them(& it would help & we would help, if they dropped their ridiculous “claims” to the Falklands & other British territories).
55 paulcedron (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 01:48 pm Report abuse
“Perhaps those 250000 British descendants should declare Independence from the Hispanics. Am sure UK Government would offer recognition and support.”

luckily they are 100% integrated with the local society and they don't have that sectarian mentality.
so they are as argentinian as everybody else.
plus they are now not only of british but also of spanish, italian or whatever heritage.
save those ethnical divisions for you.
56 GFace (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 02:22 pm Report abuse
@55 Gee... That makes them as “British” as North Carolina NASCAR fans. Sucks, you can't even back the premises behind your own Office of Wannabe Reichsgau Wartheland's propaganda.

Why can't you malvanistas find something you're good at. 'cause this just ain't your thing.
57 paulcedron (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
56
and who cares about their degree of britishness ?
you? mind your own business.

finally what “malvinistas” are you talking about?
you are not the brightest of the bunch, are you?
58 golfcronie (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 02:32 pm Report abuse
I have asked this many times on this forum. “ Why does Argentina want the FALKLANDS?” Is it 1) Their colonial attitude, 2) the OIL, or 3) just because they don't have them.
And don't just say that the Brits stole them, serious reasons would be welcome.
59 GFace (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 03:17 pm Report abuse
@57 Mind your own business and leave the islanders alone.
60 Be serious (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
Has anybody asked those 250,000 Brits or is it just the Facist Argy mentality assuming everybody agrees with them? Wasn't so long ago that Argies landed in the Falklands expecting to be greeted as liberators only to discover they were universally hated and despised.
61 golfcronie (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
@60
Shock and Awe! Were they not greeted as liberators? Such irony!! I understand only one person welcolmed them “ Betts” wasn't it?
62 Brit Bob (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 04:32 pm Report abuse
55

The problem inherited in the Argentinian view that aliens who have settled in the Falklands have no right to self-development sets a dangerous precedent as when carried out to a logical conclusion it would be a basis for driving the people of a country. specifically most of Latin America and most of the USA, out of places that they now occupy,
63 MagnusMaster (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 04:54 pm Report abuse
@58 “And don't just say that the Brits stole them, serious reasons would be welcome.”

Actually, that IS the serious reason.
64 Pete Bog (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 05:05 pm Report abuse
@58 Golfcronie

Seems like you have reasoned why the Argentines want the islands as they don't actually seem to want to live there. Those that do have become naturalised Islanders-doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out why......
65 MagnusMaster (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 05:24 pm Report abuse
And before anyone says that the UK didn´t fire a shot yada yada yada... go and tell the other Argentinians, but they won´t believe you.
66 golfcronie (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
@63,65
Still no serious reason for wanting the FALKLANDS, you just confirmed my belief, It was 200 yrs ago you halfwit, ( and I am not admitting to any shots fired ) we the west live today and look to the future, no wonder the SA countries are going down the pan.
67 Anbar (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 08:11 pm Report abuse
....and the comedy club of Argentina produces yet another HILARIOUS routine!

Bravo!

Encore!

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“And before anyone says that the UK didn´t fire a shot yada yada yada... go and tell the other Argentinians, but they won´t believe you.”

Sorry to be blunt but.. so what? I mean WHO cares what they think? Its pretty common knowledge they they are all taught outright lies form kindergarden upwards, so OF COURSE they think the way they have been indoctrinated.

The only ones who need be listened to are those with the gumption to do their own research and then answer their own history about Patagonia.

The rest just dont count and there's nothing much they can do about it anyway.

They just dont matter.
68 paulcedron (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
“Has anybody asked those 250,000 Brits or is it just the Facist Argy mentality assuming everybody agrees with them?”

almost no government ask directly to the population if they agree or not with some of its policies.
you have the congress for that.
that is what happens in all republics.
now, many (i think a majority) in argentina do not agree with some foreign affairs policies and are very critic with them.
do you agree, for instance, with all the british policies about iraq, afghanistan, etc?
did the govt ask you if you agreed or not?
no?
69 Be serious (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
So that's a no then.
I bet given the opportunity those 250000 Brits would vote for a Nation of their own free of supercilious Kirchner fools.
70 golfcronie (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 09:46 pm Report abuse
Why does Argentina want sovereignty over the FALKLANDS? Anyone?
71 MagnusMaster (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 10:17 pm Report abuse
@66 sorry that is all the reason we need, and national pride, of course.
@67 “Sorry to be blunt but.. so what? I mean WHO cares what they think? ”
I was just covering my ass here.
72 inthegutter (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 10:19 pm Report abuse
#63

Even if the UK did steal the Falklands (which they didn't) it was 200 years ago. In that time Argentina stole vast swathes of Patagonia from the Mapuche, as well as huge tracts of Paraguay. Do you think these should be returned, or are you a hypocrite.

But wait... why 200 years? That's very arbitrary and not coincident with any major international agreements (like those in 1945). How about 250 years ago? Return what remains of Argentina to the Spanish! What about 500 years ago?

The “UK stole it and we want it back”argument, even if based in truth, does not work after 200 years.
73 golfcronie (#) Jan 15th, 2014 - 10:24 pm Report abuse
@71
National pride, don't think so,thieves and serial defaulters more like. US$1= 11.16 pesos, do you take pride in that, I bet US$1=15.5 pesos by June
74 MagnusMaster (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 01:28 am Report abuse
@72 I didn't say it was a valid argument, just a reason for Argentina to want the islands. No matter how much time passes, Argentina will never let it go.
Obviously there is some hypocrisy (like everywhere else), however, as far as I know the indigenous people don't want self determination, just some land and to be treated as human beings, which is something I agree with. And I don't think Paraguay wants to deal with Formosa and its genocidal governor.

@73 we aren't proud of our defaults or our worthless peso.
75 golfcronie (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 07:37 am Report abuse
~74
I would suspect that there are not many of the indigenous people still alive, and anyway being so few and not well organised they will settle for a small parcel of land, I think you would agree that is probably the best they could hope for. The year is 2014, so why not move on, a lot of water under the bridge. Some people see it , and I think quite rightly that Argentina should pay some sort of reparation for the war with the FALKLANDERS. But no, they witter on and on instead of cosying up to them, who knows ,maybe in 100 yrs time things may change, it certainly will in the West.
76 inthegutter (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 08:08 am Report abuse
#74 I think if you told the indigenous peoples that they can have Patagonia back if they asked you'd quickly see them do so.

In the most cases though both Paraguay and indigenous people have moved on, realising that what happened 100-200 years is now history. It's a shame that much of the population of Argentina hasn't moved on and is still obsessed with their colonial dream.
77 Bongo (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 08:59 am Report abuse
@74 I'm sure Argentina will never let it go, which will mean countless more years of hurt, failure and humiliation.
78 Briton (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 10:39 am Report abuse
70 golfcronie
one would suggest its for the islands wealth,
minerals, and the oil, and the fish,

but once they have it, they would just waste it, and totally ignore the islander.

just my opinion.
79 GFace (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 04:08 pm Report abuse
@68, “almost no government ask directly to the population if they agree or not with some of its policies.”

We have a street and protest culture. Where is yours? Seriously, what hits me about the baseline Argentine mentality (not the frothy “Las Malvinas son Argentina!” crap) we keep hearing about says that the Islands are not something everyone obsesses over. Then when the Islanders rightfully assert their will, either with a plebiscite or exploiting their own EEZ , all hell breaks out in Buenos Aires. “La Malvinas Bell” is rung and in a pavlovian response that would make dogs well.. you know the metaphor... there is drool everywhere (perhaps just form a small subset of people with REALLY big saliva glands), but little “knock if off and run our country effectively!” pushback from this readable but rather silent majority. What do YOU do in your own home town to make people know that you think the Falklands are not an important part of being Argentine as you have said here?
80 paulcedron (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
“What do YOU do in your own home town to make people know that you think the Falklands are not an important part of being Argentine as you have said here?”

nothing
why should i do anything?
again,it seems you think that the falklands are the center of the news here or something like that.
1/2 of the population of buenos aires are on vacation so they don´t count, the rest is more interested in the evolution of the dollar, in the campaign of boca jrs, or in the butt of liz solari.
81 golfcronie (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 05:11 pm Report abuse
@80
“ 1/2 the population of Buenos Aires is on vacation”, Christ no wonder bugger all gets done, 1/2 the population you said. Whats that about 5 million all taking hard earned US$ out of the country. Lets say they take US$ 500 each, that is 2.5 Billion US$ less your country has. Would you like to amend your statement?
82 paulcedron (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 06:09 pm Report abuse
81.
who said they left the country to go on vacation?
you can go to pinamar, cariló, mar de las pampas, bariloche, puerto madryn, glaciar perito moreno, cataratas del iguazú, ushuaia, salta, las leñas or whatever kind of landscape and climate you want (mountains, beaches, falls, countryside, sierras, etc. etc. etc.) without leaving the country.
you dont need dollars for that.
must be pretty sad living in a pair of islets
83 Clyde15 (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 06:22 pm Report abuse
#82
The people living there don't think so.
You assert that the Falklands are of no importance to you. I can accept your assertion.
However, the corollary of this is, why is the Argentine Government bursting a gut to get their hands on these small rocks to the far east of their domain ? As an Argentinian you should be aware of the answer.
A reply in the vein of “because they are ours” is not acceptable as there is no proof that they are..
84 Pete Bog (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 06:35 pm Report abuse
@82

“must be pretty sad living in a pair of islets”

Not really, the Islanders can go on holiday if they want a change of scenery.
85 Think (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
(80) paulcedron
You say...:
“1/2 of the population of buenos aires are on vacation so they don´t count, the rest is more interested in ...................................the butt of Liz Solari.”
I say...:
You are sooooooo right.....! ;-)
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86 golfcronie (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 06:53 pm Report abuse
@85
Is she known outside of Argentina, anyway I prefer POTTING THE PINK than butt
87 Pete Bog (#) Jan 16th, 2014 - 07:19 pm Report abuse
Anyone been arrested yet?

Any applications for extradition to Argentina?

Any drilling equipment been confiscated yet?

Have Interpol been inundated with Argentine requests?

We're waiting.
88 ShadowWalker (#) Jan 18th, 2014 - 11:20 am Report abuse
i think this is a case of sticks and stones tbh. As for that quines (girl's) butt I can see why you emphasized it shes got no rack at all lol. Ahhh Think and paulcedron my new favorite comedy duo (or however many people Think is) you guys crack me up your so funny lmao
89 Captain Poppy (#) Jan 18th, 2014 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
They are a fun comedy duo, but we all know who paulcedron is. How low does one have to be on the pride scale to change one's screen name so many times and not feel embarrassed?

How's momma's nipples titti boi? Has she let you up from the basement?

Kicilloff is meeting the Paris Club to settle their debt.......mmmmmmmm......ohhhhhh tobi!!!!!.....stevie!!!!!
90 paulcedron (#) Jan 18th, 2014 - 10:34 pm Report abuse
“but we all know who paulcedron is”
and who am i, you dimwit?

luckily in argentina we have 100 women for every 95 men.
most of those women are gorgeous, on the other hand.

guess it is a bit different in the tiny islets.
thats why you have so many cases of incest and mixed marriages with sheeps.
typical british genetic.
www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=4288
91 Captain Poppy (#) Jan 19th, 2014 - 12:34 am Report abuse
I've been there more times than I care to count and arriving again soon. Your women there are no different than they are anywhere else .......except more are paupers,.......and under 30 they dress like whores turning tricks on Florida Ave to the tourist.

So you think I am a Islander? Give me your email address if you have balls.....send one to me at:

m.cher1160@outlook.com

Trace my return email

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