Saturday, February 22nd 2014 - 07:11 UTC

Cristina Fernandez ratifies solidarity with Venezuela: opposition should wait for next elections

In a rally at the Buenos Aires province town of Florencio Varela, President Cristina Fernandez ratified Argentina’s “solidarity” with the Venezuelan government of President Nicolas Maduro, as the fifth Mercosur full member continues to be caught up in a wave of violent protests that have claimed the lives of 6 so far.

The Argentine leader recalled that “violence engenders only more violence”

 “There is nothing more important than peace and democracy” stated the Argentine leader.

“This is not only about Venezuela. We have said it when democracy in Bolivia, in Ecuador was in danger. We extend our supportive hand to the people of Venezuela. There is nothing more important than peace and democracy, the respect of popular will and life,” the head of state said in a message that seemed also aimed at the Venezuelan opposition whose leader Leopoldo López has publicly called for the “exit” of President Nicolás Maduro.

“If they did not get to win the elections this time, they should run in the next elections. But a region that has been declared a zone of peace can't be put up in the air” Cristina Fernandez insisted and added that political demonstrations can take place “without violence.”

“Violence engenders only more violence. We must be tolerant. We can't stir up a fire that does not belong to this region, but that is fueled from other parts. Let’s not be stupid, peace is built with our words and actions”.

Meanwhile from Caracas, Venezuela president Nicolas Maduro at a press conference to explain why his decision to oust CNN journalists claimed that the country was facing the “most brutal media campaign” since 2002 when the coup attempt against then president Hugo Chavez.

“There is a campaign from the world's right to divide Latin-America and they are achieving it” said Maduro.

”The right in Latin America is against Venezuela. President (Sebastian) Piñera from Chile, Colombian president (Juan Manuel) Santos and from Panama (Ricardo) Martinelli have succumbed to the conditions of the US”, insisted Maduro, while repeating that Venezuela never interfered in the internal affairs of those countries.

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1 Anglotino (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 08:51 am Report abuse
What I love is this simplistic view of democracy, by unintelligent idiots such as Kirchner, that suppose that democracy is all about being able to vote.

Democracy in Venezuela is about as deep as good economic policy is in Argentina. There are flickers but the opposite state is currently prevailing.
2 JollyGoodFun (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 10:35 am Report abuse
Argentine and Venezuelan political understanding is that the people accept what the government says as gospel, all international institutions must accept what their governments say, all business leaders must accept what their governments say, all smaller countries who they can bare influence down on must accept what their governments say.

If the people disagree they're labelled anarchists and shot (Venezuela), and intimidated or go missing (Argentina). Any international institute which disagrees is labelled and enemy of their states and that they're part of a master plan to destroy their governments. Any smaller country who disagrees is blockaded or suffers unfair and indiscriminate sanctions.

You really have got to laugh when Cristina Sloppy Mouth and Capitan Venezuela talk about democracy and protection of the free world.

This woman has zero humility, zero strategic understanding, zero competency with regard to economic policy making, zero class or diplomacy skills, and most importantly zero credibility due to the constant crap that leaves her mouth.

Latam Nations are quickly realising they need to distance themselves from these two failing states. Rightly so!

It will be better for Venezuela and Argentina when the crooks and cronies are arrested by the people. Both leaders should be imprisoned for a very long time.
It will be a great thing to see when he two nations get some sensible governance.
3 Conqueror (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 10:52 am Report abuse
The hypocrisy of it all! “There is nothing more important than peace and democracy, the respect of popular will and life” she said.

Meanwhile, argieland continues to conduct economic war against the Falkland Islands. Islands to which argieland has NEVER had a legitimate claim. And what about the “respect of popular will and life”? The Falkland Islands referendum 2013 saw 99.8% of those voting, on an electoral turnout of 99.3%, vote to remain an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom. Isn't that the “popular will”? Or does she mean only popular with her? How she can even have the effrontery to even stand up is beyond me, never mind open her mouth!
4 Mendoza Canadian (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 10:55 am Report abuse
She doesn't seem to understand that by the time of the next elections the economy will be non-existent, the people will be so hungry they will do anything they are told and on and on. There are times when elections can't wait. If you don't do well at your job, your employer gets rid of you. Same thing applies to governments...they don't seem to understand that they work for the people.
5 ElaineB (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
I think her message translates to “Please, don't hurt me”.
6 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 01:19 pm Report abuse
Someone needs to explain to this dictator that protesting is a basic tenet of democracy called the freedom of speech. As for the violence, how many protestors are dead and how many police/military? If the majority of the people want him out of office....that is the voice and will of the people.

Good bye Maduro....fly away.

Next up in the batters box.....Kirchner.

Any guesses of the batting order?
7 Pete35 (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 01:27 pm Report abuse
keep the people ignorant is the policy of these Latinamerican dictatorships. But ignorance lasts only so long as the coffers can bribe them into submission. In Argentina, that time is upon them.
8 ElaineB (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 01:34 pm Report abuse
I wonder how CFK is reacting to the news from the Ukraine? That is people power at work.
9 LEPRecon (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
From the picture it looks like she's about to do a Nazi salute.

As for CFK and Maduro, they should've studied history. All dictators eventually fall. The end of dictators also tends to be a rather messy and painful affair, once the 'people' (the true power in a democracy) get their hands on them.
10 ChrisR (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 02:50 pm Report abuse
You can tell that both these bastions of democracy are rattled and just want everything to go back to “normal”.

In other words, keep the money coming into my pocket.
11 A_neuTroll_Observer (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 02:52 pm Report abuse
Don't you people have enough problems in your countries?

Of course you do, I guess you think I don't have internet. lol

Worry about your own freezing nations, sinking islands, and burning nations. Happy global warming!
12 ElaineB (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
@11 I don't know about anyone else but I discuss those issue on websites dedicated to the U.K.

TTT, you still don't get it after all this time. This news agency is a South Atlantic news agency. So that is the primary topic of conversation. If you are not mature enough to deal with that you should think about visiting other more age appropriate web sites.

Why would you bring up your lack of internet? Did anyone else?
13 Heisenbergcontext (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
@11

So what do you think about your Presidents attitude towards the events unfolding in Venezuela?
14 JollyGoodFun (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 04:25 pm Report abuse
@11 - yes, what is you opinion over the support for the killing of Venezuelan citizens by the government?

@13 - I believe it will be denial of the situation. Going to have to pull out another Monty Python scene reference here. The black night in the Holy Grail works well :)

I'm sure Argentines can all agree (wrongly) the Venezuelan civilians have had worse.
15 Heisenbergcontext (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 04:32 pm Report abuse
@8

That Yanukovych has fled Kiev? With mortification I would guess. And an increase in her sleeping medication. Or whatever suppresses nightmares...

@14

I'll be astonished if he responds at all.
16 ElaineB (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
@15 Yes. People power has brought down another dictator. It must chill the bones of CFK and Maduro. I doubt it will get a lot of coverage in Venezuela.
17 JollyGoodFun (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 04:45 pm Report abuse
@16 - definitely good examples of courage and sacrifice to ensure progress.

Early reports are even Putin is unsettled by the implications of the Ukraninian movement.

If the Argentine and Venezuelan people can achieve it and ensure change is lasting, they may very well have a chance. I just hope and pray their governments stop the killings and intimidation.
18 ElaineB (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 04:59 pm Report abuse
@17 It is incredibly significant in the greater context of world power struggles. Putin has been playing a great game and this is an unexpected setback for him.
19 Heisenbergcontext (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 05:03 pm Report abuse
@16

Maduro is no doubt remembering the days when driving a bus was the height of his ambitions. Fondly.

@17

I'd guess Putin is furious. Especially given how much attention is focused on Sochi, with Ukranian athletes declaring their support for the protesters. Anything that places limits on that malignant, narcissistic midget's megalomania is fine with me.
20 BeatifulDay (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
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21 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
I wonder if TMBOA is starting to look out the windows more at the Pink House of the Ukranian events over the weekend.

Tic toc tic toc

Chuckle chuckle
22 Briton (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 08:52 pm Report abuse
Cristina Fernandez ratifies solidarity with Venezuela////
TRUE love and friendship,

one goes down, they both go down,

ah how sweet...lol
23 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 09:57 pm Report abuse
ElaineB.. Unfortunately for TTT The Magic Roundabout never made It to the web…
24 nololly (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 10:13 pm Report abuse
Argentina, look at Kiev and learn! People power in action.

You guys CAN join the civilised world, you CAN defeat the dictators, you CAN be free, you CAN be wealthy like Americans and Europeans. Go the the Plazo de Mayo and make your voices heard.

KFC must be shitting herself with fright. Another rottern regime bites the dust!
25 axel arg (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 10:55 pm Report abuse
IT'S NOT ONLY ABOUT VENEZUELA.
As somebody who likes discussing about politic, i can only say that i feel really ashamed every time i see on tv the lectures about venezuela's situation, made by many of the cretins who we have here, who are considered like journalists, but who are actualy no more than hypocrites who tell people just what is convenient for the economic and ideological interests of the enterprices that they work for. Anyway, for being honest and fair, not all jornalists here are hypocrites, i fact, some of them are serious, and it's necesary to continue to listen to them.
While it is true that there are objetive reasons to protest against maduro's government, due to there is a high inflation level, a hight delincuence rate, many denounces of corruption cases , beside, there is a dramatic lack of goods at the supermarkets, which is perhaps the worst of venezuela's problems. However, beyond respectable ideological differences that anybody can have with maduro's government, nobody shouldn't omit to recognize the intent of economic coup d'etat that powerful coporations in venezuela are making against maduro's administration. Lack of goods at the shops and supermarkets is the typical classic intent of economic coup d'etat that powerful corporations apply every time they want to get rid of popular governments, which are always considered like populist by u s. a., just because they aren't submitted to the caprices of the empire. In fact, this mechanism was applied and suffered during salvador allende's government, which was broken down by an economic coup d'etat in 1973.
For all these reasons, it's necesary that all governments of the region, or unless most them support president maduro, and encourage venezuelan people to prostest peacefuly. Although some bastards pretend to force madure to leave office, as i heard in the manifestations on tv, he must rule venezula untill 2019.
26 yankeeboy (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 11:20 pm Report abuse
Omg you are so stupid Axel.
I'm embarrassed for you.
Remember me telling you at some point in the near future the govt wouldn't raise your pay above inflation?
It here.
Good luck eating by the end of the year.
27 ilsen (#) Feb 22nd, 2014 - 11:40 pm Report abuse
@20
Hello Stevie. Do you want a biscuit?
28 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 12:14 am Report abuse
25 Axle Aarghh

Axle,

SHAMEFULLY, you lie and support a corrupt and repressive state that shoots it's own unarmed civilians.

Nothing wrong with the independent reporters

AA “ Lack of goods at the shops and supermarkets is the typical classic intent of economic coup d'etat that powerful corporations apply every time they want to get rid of popular governments,”

Lack of goods is not artificially created by corporations - Maduro has forbidden production and sale of staple goods at a profit - producers will no longer supply items if they lose money. Best to shut down.

AA “Although some bastards pretend to force Manuro to leave office, as i heard in the manifestations on tv, he must rule venezula untill 2019.”

Manuro is determined to stay in power, the unarmed protestors are attacked by the National Guard and unofficial “flying squads” of “Collectivos”, on motorcycles.
These are thugs armed with government supplied weapons and protective vests.
Notice that the Protestors are actual students, several that have died from a “shot to the head”, have had their identities documented as legitimate students.

The Venezuelan government is shutting down the Internet videos of government “security forces ” firing upon unarmed students.

I wonder why, if there is nothing to hide??

Axle - YOU HAVE NO INTEGRITY.
29 pgerman (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 12:29 am Report abuse
“made by many of the cretins”, “considered like journalists”, “are actualy no more than hypocrites”.....a perfect example of the typical vocabulary and expressions of a fascit-peronist.

The idea is that we, basically those who “think like me” are on the “moral side”. So, we have moral authority while the rest, those who think differently, they don't have any authority...

Venezuela has always suffered from lack of certain supplis simply because all the money was invested in the oil industry. Nothing was invested in the production of food,

Now, after years fo expelling capital and due to the lack of dollars they suffer from lack of them simply beacuse they cannot import them.

It is not clear, yet, whether Maduro won the elections or just stole it. But his future seems quite dark....the sad think is that people such as Al Assad, Castro, Viktor Yanukovych and Maduro are dictatorships no matter that some of them won elections (Mussolini and Hitler did the same) and they will have bad ends.

I would invite Maduro to remind Gadaffy....CFK is in the middle asking patience for those who cannot have patience. For her it is quite simply, she is rich and we pay her living spenses....

CFK is making Argentina to make the very same historical mistake as ever..being internationally in the wrong side..
30 Ernie4001 (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 12:46 am Report abuse
What else can be expected from a venezuelan government muppet?... All these leftist always try to stick in power despite how.
31 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 12:53 am Report abuse
pgerman,

Venezuela is already cracking down hard on its unarmed student protestors, with organised armed thugs and support from 50,000 Cubans, reportedly.
Some say Maduro will surely retain his grip on power if he does not alienate the Military.

As to Argentina, would CFK get away with such Draconian tactics to suppress protest?

Certainly, people here are speculating that before the situation gets too dire, CFK herself, will leave Argentina and her failing government, to live in exile with lots of other peoples' money.

What do you think?
32 MagnusMaster (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 03:54 am Report abuse
I doubt CFK can get away with draconian tactics, the military is in a very poor state, she can't trust the police and Gendarmeria and she's already losing support from the Peronists. But, we can't rule out that possibility. The north of Argentina and Patagonia are the places where this kind of stuff can occur, since they are already controlled by despots and even if those places are on full civil war as long as it doesn't spread to Buenos Aires she can get away with it.
33 Britworker (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 08:50 am Report abuse
Kirchner is soooo transparent, please stop rioting this is not the way to oust your corrupt leader just because you can't eat, you should wait for an election so he can do much more damage.

You're next Kirchner!
34 ilsen (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 09:35 am Report abuse
Thanks Troy for your excellent response to that idiot Axle.
35 niphotos (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 10:50 am Report abuse
Peace and Democracy is alive and well in ............................The Falkland Islands
36 LEPRecon (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 10:57 am Report abuse
Kirchner and Maduro should take note of this.

news.sky.com/story/1215842/luxury-revealed-as-yanukovych-flees-palace

Yanukovych lived in extremely luxury whilst his people scrapped enough together to feed their families.

Kirchner and Maduro have been doing the same thing, stealing from the people so they can live in luxury.

The PEOPLE won't stand for it much longer. Soon Maduro will be named as enemy of the people, Kirchner might not be far behind.

And those who still try to fool themselves that Venezuela is a democracy should take note: “In a democracy, you believe it or not. In a dictatorship you believe it or else.”

Which is exactly what the authorities in Venezuela are doing now. Believe us or ELSE.

I wonder how long Maduro's Cuban masters can keep him in power?
37 yankeeboy (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 12:15 pm Report abuse
Axel has the dangerous combination of stupidity arrogance and being a true believer.
He is the reason Argentina keeps failing.
It is fascinating how the govt can warp minds over generations to make an individual into a babbling fool like he and so many of them are.
Argentina is doomed until they delete those idiots from their gene pool.
38 ElaineB (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 12:30 pm Report abuse
I think we have to make allowances for the fact that they ARE fed so much propaganda . How can they know what it is like to live in a real democracy with a free media if they have never experienced it? I wonder if any posters from Argentina and Venezuela can tell us how the situation in the Ukraine is being reported there?
39 CabezaDura2 (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 12:57 pm Report abuse
Breaking news: CFK also expresses and ratifies solidarity with Chapo Guzmán, her main campaign financier
40 Think (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 01:00 pm Report abuse
Turnipette at (38) asks...:
“I wonder if any posters from Argentina and Venezuela can tell us how the situation in the Ukraine is being reported there?”

I say...:
What about reading it yourself ?...:
www.prensaescrita.com/america/argentina.php
www.prensaescrita.com/america/venezuela.php

Ohhhhhhh....... I “forgot” You are the “Latinamerican Expert” that can't read Spanish......, aren't you ?
41 Heisenbergcontext (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 01:11 pm Report abuse
CFK's defence of 'democracy' is especially ironic when you consider Chavez' boliviarianism, of which Maduro is the inheritor, was introduced to Venezuela via a coup.

@39

Now THAT is black humour.
42 ElaineB (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 01:24 pm Report abuse
@40

Glad you think I am a Latin American expert. High praise indeed from an inculcated misogynist.

So, so, bitter. :)
43 yankeeboy (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 01:32 pm Report abuse
Elaine that's like making allowances for children or retarded people.
Axel is a teacher for gosh sakes!
That's why I say they're doomed.
44 Think (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 01:34 pm Report abuse
(41) Heisenbergcontext

You say...:
“Chavez' boliviarianism, of which Maduro is the inheritor, was introduced to Venezuela via a coup.”

I say...:
Well.... That do I call “disinformation”....
Is like me saying that justice was administered in Australia from the heights of a Mother Pearl trip.....
45 CabezaDura2 (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 01:36 pm Report abuse
40
Stop LYING. Only LN, Infobae, Perfil and Clarín (divided in 6 pieces now) are the last free media of Arg
Red de medios K

www.eltrecetv.com.ar/periodismo-para-todos/conoce-el-mapa-de-la-red-de-medios-k_057776

VZLA doesn't even have that.
46 ElaineB (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 01:41 pm Report abuse
@43 Not really. When you think about it people can be very easily manipulated when they know nothing else. How do you think cults can convince perfectly reasonable people into believing shite?

Why don't the 40m people in North Korea rise up against the oppressive regime? They are not all stupid. Far from it. And even allowing for the brutality and threats they could outnumber the oppressors. The reason is they are inculcated to think in a certain way. They don't have access to a range of information to make their own opinions.

O.K. I am not saying Argentina is like North Korea; yet. But you can see how perfectly intelligent people can be convinced when they have no other reference point.
47 Think (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 01:48 pm Report abuse
Turnipette at (42)

Misogynist, moi…?

No way! I luuuuuuuuuuuuuv women…

Anyhow…................., try to read my post again…

I wrote “Latinamerican Expert”… Between “Quotation Marks”…

Do you know the uses and meanings of “Quotation Marks” in English…?

Apparently not… What a Turnipette…. You MUST be a Blonde… A Platinum Blonde…!
48 ElaineB (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 01:51 pm Report abuse
“Apparently not… What a Turnipette…. You MUST be a Blonde… A Platinum Blonde…!”

LOL! Q.E.D. A misogynist.
49 yankeeboy (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 01:58 pm Report abuse
Elaine I understand how north Koreans could be caught in the propaganda trap but not middle class rgs.
The have access to the internet and can travel.
There is no excuse for the apathy and the generations of stupidity. Allowing successive corrupt govts to destroy their wealth and make their kids dumb.
I have no sympathy for them.
They brought this on themselves.
I hope they learn this time.
My guess is they won't.
50 Think (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 02:03 pm Report abuse
(48) ElaineB

You say...:
“A misogynist.”

I say...:
Nope, just an experienced man:-)
51 ElaineB (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 02:09 pm Report abuse
@50 You just cannot help yourself, can you? :)

How many wives left you? I seem to remember it was quite a number. But you are certain it was not you, right?
52 Think (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 02:21 pm Report abuse
Turnipette at (51)

Who's talking about the ex-missuses...?
We are talking about Dumb Platinum Blondes, lass...
I know what I'm talking about... I had a few... How many have YOU had
...:-)))
53 ElaineB (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 02:25 pm Report abuse
For you experience equates to disappointment. I am sure they were bowled over by your 'personality'. They didn't hang around did they?
54 Heisenbergcontext (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 02:26 pm Report abuse
@44 Think

Nope, MBR-200 was founded long before Chavez's attempted coup and was done so with the sole aim of overthrowing the government. Long before the unlamented Carlos Perez came to power. The fact that he was subsequently democratically elected doesn't change that particular truth.
55 Think (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 02:35 pm Report abuse
(54) Heisenbergcontext

You said at (41)...:
“Chavez' Boliviarianism, of which Maduro is the inheritor, was introduced to Venezuela via a coup.”

I say...:
The way you said it wold make any uninformed reader “Think” that ”Chavez' Boliviarianism was introduced to Venezuela via a coup.”
That's not so...., Chavez' Boliviarianism was introduced to Venezuela via a democratic election.
56 CabezaDura2 (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 02:41 pm Report abuse
Ouch...
So what Think the patagonian bureaucrat has ripped of the State, his wives ripped off of him...
57 Think (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
(53) ElaineB

You say...:
I am sure they were bowled over by your 'personality'. They didn't hang around did they?”

I say...:
Hmmmm.....
In retrospective...., I shouldn't have bowled Missus No.1so quickly...
She was a stalwart Sheila...
Anyhow............................. Strong words coming from an ape leader...
58 Heisenbergcontext (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 03:27 pm Report abuse
@55 Think

We're both wrong. I should have stated ATTEMPTED coup.
59 A_neuTroll_Observer (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 03:34 pm Report abuse
I find it unendingly amusing that Americans and Brits watch Fox News, NBC, Sky, Guardian, and Telegraph, and think they have a free and intelligent media.

It's painfully funny laughing so hard.
60 Leiard (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 04:14 pm Report abuse
@59 newt

Fortunately we have a far larger choice than you have outlined.

It's a shame that we can't have such a great intelligent media such as TELAM .
61 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 04:21 pm Report abuse
TTT - I Think Ivor the Engine is on later try that. If not, Andy Pandy should suit.
You missed out the BBC and The Times. Sky is for Chavs, the Guardian is almost totally dead, The Telegraph is for Tories and no-one watches American media noooos at all…

And, 'Think' struggling with halitosis incontinence and brainless waffling is no catch for any woman ( except CFK perhaps?) One eyed dwarfs stand a better chance :-)))
62 ChrisR (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 05:50 pm Report abuse
@ 61 CaptainSilver

Brilliant repost to the Lunatic of Chew Butt.

I don't think even TMBOA could stoop so low!

LMAO
63 yankeeboy (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
I've said for a long time cornered animals are dangerous!

Military Presence to be Used Against Argentines?
In Buenos Aires lately, another theory is shaping up in the coffee houses. The military buildup is to be used to keep the Argentines in line as the violence in Venezuela continues to threaten expansion.
The wall behind Dal Poggeto’s desk is filled with picture frames containing rows of Argentine currencies which have been used and discarded in faulty economic plans. Argentina has lopped off 13 zeroes from its bank notes since 1969. In 1991, the 10,000 austral note was replaced by the one peso note which was worth $1 (USD). Today, that same one peso note is worth 9 cents.

For the poorest of Argentines, crises mean calamity. With no access to American dollars, the poor watch as inflation eliminates the purchasing power of their salaries putting them in a position where they cannot buy food. Mobs in the thousands looted supermarkets throughout Argentina in the crises of 1989 and 2001.

Economists say that in the best case, inflation in Argentina will head to 35 percent to 40 percent and the economy will stagnate. The worst case scenario is too difficult for them to put into words.
guardianlv.com/2014/02/argentina-prepares-to-go-to-war-against-britain-or-argentines/
64 Conqueror (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
@11 Of course we know you have internet, you dozy TiT. Without it you wouldn't be here trying to bother intelligent people.
@25 Oh, shut up!
@50 Doubt if you are a “man”!
@55 Don't be ridiculous. Venezuela hasn't had anything resembling “democracy” since 1948.
@59 I don't follow any of those media. Don't let that stop you. Laugh yourself to death, TiT.
@63 Yeah, shame about the inaccuracies in that article. The Mirage deal that fell through. The letters that CFK can't do anything to enforce. The British Rapid Reaction Force, the intercontinental range transport/tankers, the 200+ British combat aircraft, the British nuclear-powered submarines with land attack cruise missiles sitting off argieland's coast.
65 CabezaDura2 (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
Fundamental political miss-calculation of Capriles by attending talks called by Maduro. What he only achieves is legitimize Maduro as a President and dignifying him. Nothing will come out of that.
It’s likely the protest will die out or the Venezuelan opposition divides itself between moderates and hardliners.

www.lanacion.com.ar/1666692-en-medio-de-la-crisis-nicolas-maduro-se-reunira-con-henrique-capriles-y-otros-opositores

Kirchner used the same tactif of calling on a dialogue the opposition after they lost the 2009 elections.
66 cornelius (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
Hitler in Paraguay?Buenos Aires-Hitler did not suicide is once the war was already lost, but escaped to Argentina and visited several countries in South America with different false identities, including that of Kurt Bruno Kirchner used during his stay in Paraguay, according to a book by Argentine journalist Abel Basti.
wao we now know the truth about Cretina kirchner
67 ElaineB (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
@66 Sorry, but that is poppycock. Whilst it is known that high ranking Nazi officers did live in comfort in Argentina, Chile and Paraguay after the war, Hitler was not one of them. It makes for a good story though.
68 Anglotino (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
CabezaDura2

It doesn't matter if the protests wither away (highly likely) because the Chavismo economic model is finally reaching the end if its life.

Venezuela has stolen all its future growth to pump-prime its economy in the past and there's nothing left.

Inflation will get higher.
The currency will collapse further.
Shortages will increase.

And the things that could possibly stave off collapse for a a while longer are missing:
Oil production won't increase.
Oil prices won't increase.
Government bonds are junk.
Even China has switched off the credit card.

There has to be a full economic collapse on Chavismo's watch. Not the opposition or anyone else.

The people have to see the system is unsustainable WHILE its supporters still run the show.

And thankfully that is what is happening.
69 CabezaDura2 (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
68
You are wrong; people can get used to live in misery and lies. If he manages to control the streets while apathy drains the will of the protestors in time, Maduro will held strong the government.
Its only internal opposition that can get him out of office.

He is advised by the Castro’s themselves…The same brothers that held the people of Cuba in poverty for half a century sending there soldiers to die all over Latam in the 60s and 70s in the African wars in the 80s
70 cornelius (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 11:09 pm Report abuse
@67 It was intended to be a joke, i konw better.
71 Anglotino (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 11:20 pm Report abuse
CabezaDura2

I was agreeing with you.

I do believe that the protests will drain away without getting what they want.

But eventually the system will fail. The system is not sustainable. So it doesn't matter what happens to these protests, because inflation will continue to rise and there will be even more shortages of goods. Eventually the shortages will get so acute that some Venezuelans will start to go hungry. What use is a fistful of bolivars handed to you by the government when there is nothing on the shelves to purchase? Imports into Venezuela are starting to dry up because people are not getting paid.

The government is in a catch-22. If they release more dollars to help importers pay for imports, then their reserves will drop. Eventually you run out of reserves because Venezuela only sells oil. And of the oil it extracts, it only sells less than half because most is given away to Venezuelans, ALBA/Cubans or paying back the Chinese.

It doesn't matter what happens to these protests, because Venezuela can't reform quick enough nor does it have the desire to reform before the whole system falls over.

Chavismo HAS to fail while the Chavistas are in power. Because that will discredit it enough for the next government to even begin attempting to rectify the mess left behind.
72 bushpilot (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 11:22 pm Report abuse
I was kind of looking forward to hearing what “Narine” from “France” had to say about this article.

She had some very interesting and insightful opinions. Very unique.
73 slattzzz (#) Feb 23rd, 2014 - 11:25 pm Report abuse
is she about to Nazi salute in that photo
74 cornelius (#) Feb 24th, 2014 - 12:59 am Report abuse
@73 YES
75 CabezaDura2 (#) Feb 24th, 2014 - 02:14 am Report abuse
@Anglotino
Its not going to be a collapse like an Orwellian “Animal Farm” style unless there is pressure from the people on the streets.

The economy will adjust itself by the market alone though the rhetoric of the gov’t will remain the same. Lie lie and lie and eventually they will believe you, they will invent whoever it is to blame, the corporations, the venezuelan right wing fascist or Colombia or the US, etc.



If it’s a economical collapse like already is happening in Argentina, then they will readjust the situation by flexing and assuring private investors that they won’t be nationalized, subsidies and handouts of the government to parasite sections of the economy will be diluted by inflation, salaries will increase below inflation, and devaluation will eventually make VZLA very cheap. If Maduro doesn’t follow this line then somebody in the regime will remove him from power and decision and policy making but the structure of the regime will remain intact.
76 yankeeboy (#) Feb 24th, 2014 - 11:43 am Report abuse
Where is “We are all Chavez” Stevie?
Methinks he has changed his nick again.

I would be surprised if this is the end of Maduro just yet. The military is the only one who can oust him now. I don't think that will happen in the near future.
CFK and Maduro must be watching Kiev with great interest and multiple trips to the bathroom.

The teachers want a 96% raise, they are always the bellwether. I can't wait to see how this rolls out.

Cfk's choice is long strikes or hyperinflation but she'll probably get both.
77 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 24th, 2014 - 01:10 pm Report abuse
#59 numb nut troll....there are over 15000 radio stations with news and 1700 public wave tv stations, not including cable which you intermixed. Of the overwhelming amount of news shows you mentioned, what percent fo you figure there are in relation to ALL the choices you posted.

BTW, you failed to mention BBC America, which is very popular in the USA and Al Jezeera which is steadily growing on the national level. Stick to what you know and that will limit your posts.
78 Conqueror (#) Feb 24th, 2014 - 01:29 pm Report abuse
I ask, quite simply, is it not time for the free people of the world to take a hand? I have no particular liking for war. Too many British servicepeople are wounded or die. But Britain spends billions in foreign aid trying to save people. Let's take a look at South America. Could Venezuela stand against Britain? UK has a 4:1 superiority in the air. At sea, Britain has a 5:1 superiority. On land, Britain has, at least, 10:1 superiority. Hello, people of Venezuela, would you like to be freed from your corrupt, criminal masters? Would you like some real democracy? How about enough to eat? All you have to do is to be intelligent, sane and honest. Could you do that? We can link up with U.S. forces in Colombia. Spread eastward to Guyana. Next step, Uruguay. A “Stevie hunt”. And, finally, the prize. argieland. Invader population reduced to 1 million or less. Indigenous people have rights returned. We should respect cultural rights. They might want to return to human sacrifice and rip the beating hearts out of ethnic latinos. Could it be televised? Am I bloodthirsty? 255 British servicemen and 3 Falkland Islanders says “Yes, I am”. I want to see argies pay for dancing in the streets. I want to see venezuelans pay for supporting them. The same for uruguayans. Support or take part in dictatorships and tyranny and you deserve all you get. Kirchner, Maduro and Mujica arrested and on trial for crimes against humanity. Or shot. Their choice.

@76 Maduro is a latter day Goebbels. A frightened little weasel. To be shot on sight.
79 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 24th, 2014 - 02:53 pm Report abuse
I agree yankee, I don;t think it is just yet. The poor is the next sector that must get on board. A key challenge for the opposition is chipping away at Chavistas' support for the government. If they can win over Chavez loyalists, that could tip the scales.

Until that happens, I do not see the military jumping the gun to ouster the Bus. They are going to go after the protesters, but further regression will only further ignite and continue to grow the anti-government sentiment which is good for he people in the long run. One thing is certain, this has to be a people centered ouster of the Bus. Foreign powers can certain supply fuel to maintain the fire or even spread it...covertly of course.

The one critical General who ca possible muster support is cornered and about to be killed defending himself from arrest.
80 Briton (#) Feb 24th, 2014 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
New arms threat: Argentina's £3billion boost to military
BRITISH military chiefs were last night “carefully monitoring” developments after Argentina announced a £3billion revamp of its armed forces.

www.express.co.uk/news/world/461327/New-arms-threat-Argentina-s-3billion-boost-to-military
The extra cash means Argentina will ¬increase defence spending by 33.4 per cent this year, the biggest rise in its history. It will include £750million for 32 ¬procurement and modernisation programmes
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Royal Navy to send HMS Dauntless to Falkland Islands

The Royal Navy’s most sophisticated warship is being sent to the South Atlantic in a move that will send a powerful message to Argentina
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/onthefrontline/9051564/Royal-Navy-to-send-HMS-Dauntless-to-Falkland-Islands.html
It can shoot down Argentine fighters as soon as they take off from they bases,“ said another Navy source. ”This will give Buenos Aires serious pause for thought.”

so they say...
81 Jack Bauer (#) Feb 24th, 2014 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
“There is nothing more important than peace and democracy” stated the Argentine leader“......what a stupid b*tch she is....so, when millions in VZ, pissed-off with all the crap that Maduro throws at them, get together to protest - peacefully - against him, and are then fired upon and killed by the ”Policia democrática Bolivariana”, THAT, in the mind of the TMBOA , is true democracy.....let's wait n see what she does to hold on to power....
82 ElaineB (#) Feb 24th, 2014 - 08:52 pm Report abuse
CFK is terrified.
83 Sergio Vega (#) Feb 24th, 2014 - 09:46 pm Report abuse
25@ As and old man that had the oportunuty to live in Chie the time when the Popular Unity was in the office I can say that Venezuela is following the same hard road to the bottom with the destruction of the economic, social and constitutional bases of the country, with the violence from the Gvt. with the help of foreign gangs from Cuba....and the encouragement from the leftist LA Gvts. leaded by CFK AKA Botox Lady........
Unfortunately, the Venezuelan Army is controled politaclly by the socialist party so they have no hope to reach the salvation from the destruction as we the Chileans had on 1973 after the 3 worst years of our country.....
The way is the same, creating the hate between the citiziens to divide them in 2 side without posibility to dialog, just violence and blaming others for the caotic situation of the country as the national & foreign companies, the US Gvt., the dog from the man who lives on that corner or anything more to distract the visión of the real causes of the caos.......just a bad system and the worst leader they can have....the bus driver Maduro and socialism........

I'm very, very disappointed with the Venezuelan citizen's future.....because a change can means a lot of casualties between the civilians with the conditions they have right now......Only a hard pressure from the OAS, ONU and the USA & European countries will avoid that black fate they are expecting......even they have the media & massive social networks to show their suffering.....

My thoughts are with them.......for a peaceful solution....!!!
84 ElaineB (#) Feb 24th, 2014 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
Macri's words:

WHERE you see the enemy, I only see VENEZUELANS Mr. Maduro: obviously that you and I see things different and in a different way. For example, where you see enemies who want to destroy, I see angry Venezuelans demanding changes to his Government. Where you see a conspiracy, I see how are baleada on a motorbike to Genesis Carmona dying at age 22. And I don't see it to you. I didn't see it at funerals of those innocents.

Where you see fascists protesting, I see people, I see people, I see human beings who disagree with you. They do it as they can, are people, also are the true people of Venezuela or only those who applaud him are the people and the others are enemies? I also see that you think that you don't see. I see the fearsome bikes of paramilitary groups, which in the night shoot civilians disarmed, even shots fired at their homes and apartments, as shown by the videos on Youtube.

Where you go on social networks (that is, which condemn it), only slander and lying I meeting also real indignation of Venezuelans who have the unique space which had to denounce it with all the letters, because already almost were left without means of communication because you closed them, there drowned them, pursued them and up to cast them in the country what luck that there are Twitter and Facebook so they can let us know what is happening in Venezuela!

The other days the Argentine Government ratified its “total and absolute support”. It should not be confused to the Argentine with the Argentine Government, as we do not confuse it to you with the Venezuelans. Not all support it total and absolute in their abuses. I, for example, prefer to demand the immediate release of Leopoldo López with all Venezuelan political prisoners. I choose to ask to assume control of the police auxiliaries who spread fear and death to bullets. I prefer to ask him to guarantee freedom and feels like to talk honestly with those who think differently.They are not enemies and conspira
85 CabezaDura2 (#) Feb 24th, 2014 - 10:38 pm Report abuse
The Expressionists harmless Argentine version of the “fed ups” have very little to do with the virulence of the “fed ups” of Kiev who were charged to Yanukovych (and to Mrs. Timoshenko released).
But neither the “fed ups” of Buenos Aires even contain the fury of sick the “fed ups” of Caracas.
Here there is no bold sketch plan Leopoldo Lopez alter the hegemony of the innumerable sketches Capriles.
The three or four native “Caprileses” who enroll to replace the Dr (aka CFK), preferably want to do so not before 2015. (Macri amongst them)
86 yankeeboy (#) Feb 25th, 2014 - 11:36 am Report abuse
I hear Chavez's daughters are visiting CFK.
How nice
I am sure they are strategizing how to hide their stolen loot before everything comes crashing down.
87 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 25th, 2014 - 12:11 pm Report abuse
“While visitors gawked in awe and outrage at Mr. Yanukovych’s luxurious mansions, ponds and exotic animals, journalists combed through heaps of documents that appeared to show a leader who basked in extravagant wealth while his country sought bailouts from both the West and Russia.”

www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/ukrainians-awed-repulsed-by-yanukovychs-opulent-house/article17061144/

I wonder what they will find is asslips has to make a last minute departure from Argentina? One thing going for her.....she is not a mass murderer. Though her corruption will be legendary.

I see small moves of “I've had it” are taking place here and there. Correa lost Quito to the opposition. Now, what will his actions be?

www.buenosairesherald.com/article/153001/a-healthy-blow-for-correa

Perhaps the Latin autumn is underway.
88 yankeeboy (#) Feb 25th, 2014 - 12:22 pm Report abuse
she is not a mass murderer

yet

wait for the goon squads to start bashing business and people
89 ElaineB (#) Feb 25th, 2014 - 01:14 pm Report abuse
@86 I wonder if they will change the locks on the Presidential Palace whilst the squatters are away in Argentina?
90 Squeaky (#) Feb 25th, 2014 - 06:53 pm Report abuse
If only the Ukrainian's weren't so rude, they could still be basking in the glories of the supreme leader: bad taste really! Tongue firmly planted awry!
91 ilsen (#) Feb 25th, 2014 - 08:52 pm Report abuse
@89 lol!

Good comment!

Maduro could seize his chance to move in.... would that make him legit? Finally?
would he get stuck with all their unpaid bills?
Just like he has with Papi!
Heehee... I'm such a bitch...
92 atk357 (#) Feb 25th, 2014 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
i.e Ukrane...if both CFK and Maduro leave office now...the protests would stop!!
93 Hepatia (#) Feb 26th, 2014 - 01:40 am Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2014/02/22/cristina-fernandez-ratifies-solidarity-with-venezuela-opposition-should-wait-for-next-elections#comment310289: But, of course, democracy for you British is all about not being able to vote!
94 Anglotino (#) Feb 26th, 2014 - 07:28 am Report abuse
A democracy is more than just voting. Only idiots think otherwise.
95 Hepatia (#) Feb 26th, 2014 - 01:37 pm Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2014/02/22/cristina-fernandez-ratifies-solidarity-with-venezuela-opposition-should-wait-for-next-elections#comment310981: Of course. But it is not possible to have a democracy without voting. And the absence of voting makes the UK undemocratic.
96 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 26th, 2014 - 04:08 pm Report abuse
Hep while I am not English, I do know they vote. Perhaps not for their PM but they vote. Are you actually suggesting that voting does not take place in the UK? They vote for the House of Commons and they have more representations there then we do in the USA on a federal level.
97 Hepatia (#) Feb 27th, 2014 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2014/02/22/cristina-fernandez-ratifies-solidarity-with-venezuela-opposition-should-wait-for-next-elections#comment311056: The so called 'House of Commons' is nothing more than a pale imitation of the US House of Representatives. It is controlled by the administration which presents its bills for rubber stamping by the legislature. This the one and only body to which the UK voters elect representatives. And how often do the Brits get this privilege? Is it every year, or two? No. The only requirement is that there must be an election once every 5 years. But even this low standard has been violated and the longest time between elections has been 10 years.

The Brits do not elect their senators nor their president. Neither do they elect their governors, state legislators, judges or even their mayors. And there are no ballot measures or recall elections.

I invite you to imagine the response if such a system was introduced into the US. Do you think Americans would consider the changes to be an enhancement to our democracy? I don't think so. I thing Americans would rebel. In fact, I vaguely remember learning in history that there was such a rebellion.

US democracy allows many groups with whom I disagree completely to rise to power. For instance the Tea Party. But I would not like to see the implementation of the British 'democracy' in order to suppress these groups. And so it is in Venezuela and Argentina. They may follow policies with which we disagree. However their governments consist of people elected to offices which are not elected offices in the UK.

So, you see why I am unimpressed by the criticisms of the undemocratic Brit Eurotrash.
98 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 27th, 2014 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
Maybe if you are so concerned you should take your cause the London? We Americas and I mean ME not you, have presidential elections every 4 years, Reps every 2 and Senate the longest 6....so what is your point? They seem to like it, the UN accepts it as democracy and most important, votes are not purchased for handouts to the poor.

“I invite you to imagine the response if such a system was introduced into the US. Do you think Americans would consider the changes to be an enhancement to our democracy? I don't think so. I thing Americans would rebel. In fact, I vaguely remember learning in history that there was such a rebellion.”

I think that is a non sequitur. We have two different forms of democracy we've all lived with for years. That is tantamount to telling heterosexuals they must now have relations with the same sex and homosexuals they must have relations with the opposite sex, of course it will not fly.

Argentina is not democracy. There.......the president can rule with unchecked powers. American Presidents have Presidential orders, but it's not as widespread and effecting as “throwing a news organization out of a country. That would and can never happen in the USA or UK.

No one really cares of your impressions on critiques of undemocratic ways, but you should be concerned with Venezuela's propensity to evict the media, and kill it's opposition. And that kill is literally not figuratively. 50 people are dead now. Who else with be evicted from Venezuela?

”It is hard to find toilet paper or flour in oil-rich Venezuela these days and the country is plagued by some of the highest inflation, murder and kidnapping rates in the world. Clashes between protesters and security forces loyal to the president have left 16 dead, and a telegenic opposition leader has been thrown in jail...............................”

abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/venezuela-opposition-struggles-expand-appeal-22701295
99 ChrisR (#) Feb 27th, 2014 - 06:41 pm Report abuse
@ 97 Hepatia

Whatever the medication is that you are ingesting I should take triple of it until you kill yourself.

There are NO Senators in the UK, there is NO President, we are among the longest democracies on earth you stupid bitch. Go away.
100 Jack Bauer (#) Feb 27th, 2014 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
Hippy @97...so as far as you are concerned “”The so called 'House of Commons' is nothing more than a pale imitation of the US House of Representatives“......A pale IMITATION ???
Ok, let's see : quote ”The Parliament of Great Britain was formed in 1707 following the ratification of the Acts of Union by both the Parliament of England and the Parliament of Scotland. The Acts created a new unified Kingdom of Great Britain, located in the former home of the English parliament in the Palace of Westminster, near the City of London” unquote.
If the US House of Representatives was established in 1788/89, how can the House of Commons (UK Parliament) be an IMITATION of something that was established 80 years later ????
You'd better get off the crack.
101 ilsen (#) Feb 27th, 2014 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
@97 Hepatitis

UK - 10 years without elections?

Senators? Presidents?

Do you even know where or what the UK is?

Are you quite, quite mad?

Answers on a postcard please, to the usual address. ..
102 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 27th, 2014 - 07:48 pm Report abuse
Jack, Hep is not exactly a history major. She does claim to be American which is a farce based on many things she states. She also fails to realize that comparing the USA (Republican democracy) to the UK (Parliamentary Democracy) is comparing apples to oranges. She also talks of “groups” in the USA, but fails to mention the frustration of many Americans in the “two party caucus”. There are many minor parties, primarily at state levels, but also in the federal system. However, they are all required to choose to caucus with either the Republicans or Democrats and most of us hate that.

At any rate, the real deal here is that Hep does not realize that democracy is more than a vote.

“Unchecked, they can and will trample the rights of an unpopular minorities. ”

jeffryfisher.net/Statesman/ElectionLaw/Democracy.htm
103 Jack Bauer (#) Mar 01st, 2014 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
Captain :- Hippy , as most of the Trolls, is an ultracrepiderian.
104 British_Kirchnerist (#) Mar 02nd, 2014 - 11:37 pm Report abuse
Brilliant speech from Cristinita =) Its the minority, the 1% really, who are “rising up” in Venezuela, but the empowered majority aren't ready to hand back power to their former abusers - now what part of that constitutes state oppression?!
105 Jack Bauer (#) Mar 03rd, 2014 - 05:02 pm Report abuse
@104, BK, may I suggest you watch this video : www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6gDP9tuEvw

But please, go ahead and believe it's only 1% who are trying to get rid of MADuro...the 1% represents those who are actively protesting against him, but millions of others form the 'silent majority' ; And the fact that your darling fat-lips Cristinita supports him, is just one more reason to want to see the end of her. If she didn't support him publicly, it would be tantamount to inviting the Argies to try to get rid of HER.......not a bad idea...
And , if you believe that VZ is a tropical paradise, why dont YOU go 'n live there ?? Go quickly, before it becomes a democracy !!

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