Saturday, March 22nd 2014 - 08:01 UTC

The Falklands/Malvinas: Brazil’s next regional headache?

By Oliver Stuenkel (*) - Brazil, foreign policy observers often point out, is blessed. Contrary to many other emerging powers such as China or India, it is located in a region that rarely experiences interstate tension or war. Not only can Brazil live on a relatively small defense budget, while India is the world's largest arms importer. Brazil can also dedicate considerable time and energy towards extending its global diplomatic reach without constantly being forced to deal with trouble in its neighborhood.

When Foreign Secretary William Hague recently visited Brazil, the Falklands/Malvinas issue was not on the agenda, according to Stuenkel

 There are few signs that this will change in the near future. Brazil usually engages when political stability in a nearby country is at risk -- such as in Paraguay in 1996 and 2012, in Venezuela in 2002 and in Honduras in 2009. Aside from protecting its economic interests, policy makers in Brasília also seek to keep the region free of tension and crises (usually acting through regional institutions such as Mercosur and Unasur) to avoid interference by the United States or any other outside actor. Over the past decade, defending political stability in the region has turned into one of Brazil's key foreign policy goals.

While recent troubles are usually domestic in nature, involving a sudden impeachment of a president in Paraguay and social unrest in Venezuela, another crisis may be lurking around the corner that, due to its international nature, is likely to give headaches to Brazilian foreign policy makers. While the territorial dispute between Argentina and the United Kingdom is nothing new, significant oil findings around the Malvinas/Falkland Islands (an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom claimed by Argentina) could significantly sharpen the existing antagonism between the two countries involved.

The head of Argentina's new Malvinas Secretariat recently announced that firms drilling off the Islands’ coasts would be ineligible to exploit shale-oil and gas in Patagonia. Late last year, Argentina's congress passed a law that imposes prison sentences of up to 15 years and fines of up to 1.5 billion dollars on anyone involved in exploring the islands’ continental shelf without its permission.

Meanwhile, the appointment of a new governor of the islands by the British government led Argentina's Ambassador to the UK, Alicia Castro, to write an op-ed in The Guardian this week, accusing London of violating international law in this “pending case of decolonization”. She writes that the UK, refusing to resolve the dispute, aims to justify the continued occupation of the islands by invoking the right to self-determination for the current British inhabitants. 

The right of self-determination of peoples is not applicable to any or every human community, but only to “peoples”. In the case of the inhabitants of the Malvinas, we do not have a separate “people”, still less one subjected to colonialism. The British residents of the islands do not have the right to resolve the sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the UK: nobody doubts they are British, and can continue to be so, but the territory in which they live is not. It belongs to Argentina.

In response, the island's Chair of the Legislative Assembly, Mike Summers, argued that the inhabitants' approach was “fully in accord with the universal right to self determination set down in the UN Charter.”

The topic continues to appear regularly not only in Argentina, but also in the United Kingdom. In late February, the British media sounded alarm at increases in Argentina's defense budget and quoted Admiral Lord West, who was at the helm of HMS Ardent when it was sunk in the 1982 War, saying: “Any major increase in defense expenditure by Argentina must be viewed with concern. I am concerned that, without any ¬aircraft carriers, we are incapable of ¬recapturing them.” He continued pointing out that Britain’s new carriers will not be operational until 2020 and until then Argentina had a “window of opportunity”.

In August 2013, Argentina's President took advantage of her country's term as temporary President of the UN Security Council to address the issue. The region stands firmly behind Argentina - as do most other developing countries. As The Economist reported on the meeting,

...several ministries echoed Ms Fernández's concerns. On behalf of CELAC Cuba's foreign minister recognized “Argentina’s legitimate claim on the sovereignty” over the Falklands (and raised the issue of nuclear disarmament, a dig at Britain’s alleged missile-carrying vessels in the South Atlantic). Venezuela's bemoaned the Islands’ “colonial situation”. And their Uruguayan opposite number promoted “a South Atlantic zone of peace”, denouncing what he termed the “illegitimate activities of oil exploitation” in waters near the Falklands.

Britain, on the other hand, frequently points to the last referendum in March 2013, during which more than 99% of the islands' inhabitants expressed their desire to maintain their current political status:

When the result was announced in Stanley, the capital—which was plastered with union flags crossed with the words “British to the core”—crowds toasted “Her Majesty and the Falklands” and sang “Rule Britannia”.

For Argentina's foreign policy makers, the disputed islands have long been a key issue. For neighboring Brazil, all this does not seem to matter much at first glance. When Great Britain's foreign secretary recently visited Brazil, the issue was not on the agenda. However, massive oil findings in the area would dramatically increase both the Islands' economic importance and make finding a solution to the dispute far more difficult. In the face of tougher Argentine rhetoric, the United Kingdom could increase its military presence (which currently stands at 1,300 troops backed by four Typhoon jets), complicating Brazil's maritime strategy in the South Atlantic. If Argentina imposed a full-scale economic blockade of the Islands, tension would almost certainly increase further. It surely is in Brazil's interest to avoid such a scenario.

(*) Oliver Stuenkel is an Assistant Professor of International Relations at the Getúlio Vargas Foundation (FGV) in São Paulo, where he coordinates the São Paulo branch of the School of History and Social Science (CPDOC) and the executive program in International Relations. He is also a non-resident Fellow at the Global Public Policy Institute (GPPi) in Berlin and a member of the Carnegie Rising Democracies Network. His research focuses on rising powers; specifically on Brazil’s, India’s and China's foreign policy and on their impact on global governance.He is the author of the forthcoming IBSA: The rise of the Global South? (2014, Routledge Global Institutions) and BRICS and the Future of Global Order (2014, Lexington).

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1 Gordo1 (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 08:16 am Report abuse
It would clearly suit Brasil to tell la Kretina where to go!
2 Room101 (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 08:22 am Report abuse
What about Brazil's military build-up. What is that for.
3 Stevie (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 08:59 am Report abuse
To defend herself and the region against you invasive lot....
4 RICO (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 09:09 am Report abuse
#3 More likely to put down Argentina if it starts attacking its neighbours. Argentina has a long history of attacking un defended or poorly defended people's just look at the nations of Patagonia, occupied, murdered. They were planning to attack Chile in the 1980s but decided they were too well defended and an 8,000 to 60 a advantage was more to its liking so they attacked the Falklands. Even when they don't attack their neighbours they attack their own people. The Dirty War killed 40,000 Argentines, virtually none of them on the government side. Those unarmed students and trade unionists were too tempting a target what with their lack of weapons.
5 Stevie (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 09:19 am Report abuse
I think it's good for the whole region if you lot believe in RICO...

I agree, RICO, you are absolutely right. Make sure to spread that theory of yours as wide as possible...
6 La Patria (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 09:43 am Report abuse
There will be a bigger regional headache if Messi gets the winner in the final in July.
7 HansNiesund (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 09:45 am Report abuse
Nothing condemns Argentina more than its own unrelenting campaign against law, democracy & human rights in the South Atlantic.
8 LEPRecon (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 10:28 am Report abuse
It's about time Brazil stepped up and took its place as the major power in South America.

Instead of placating countries like Argentina, they should tell them to STFU, stick to their agreements, or place sanctions against them.

Brazil should lead, it shouldn't be following like a puppy. However, Chile, Paraguay, Colombia and Peru have shown Brazil up as they take control of their own destinies and don't cow tow to bullies.
9 Anglotino (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 10:47 am Report abuse
Seems only Argentina has a problem with UK because no one else in the region has any issues.
10 Conqueror (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 11:08 am Report abuse
This guy, Stuenkel, was recently in the Falklands. He is so knowledgeable that he didn't know that argieland was operating a trade blockade of the Falklands. Does he mention that he was there? No. Does he say that he was surprised at the Falklands' progress and standard of living? No. Because he's a clown. All he's done is to re-state the situation. He says that Brazil's foreign policy is “to keep the region free of tension and crises”. Pretty incompetent then. Not surprising with a terrorist like Rousseff in charge. If Brazil wants to be seen as a credible regional leader, it needs to tell argieland to shut up, espouse international law and listen to the truth instead of blindly supporting its latam “colleague”. Who just happens to screw Brazil as much as it screws anyone else. As matters stand, Brazil offers no solutions, it's part of the “problem”. Seems that LEPRecon and I agree!
And, incidentally, this is why Brazil cannot muster a viable claim to being a permanent member of the UN Security Council. It has no sense of real responsibility. It has no mind of its own. It has no credibility. It has little in the way of honesty. It might manage to be “a” leader of mercosur, but certainly not “the” leader. In the wider world, I would rate Brazil behind Netherlands in terms of useful contribution. Certainly well behind the Scandinavian countries!
11 Pete Bog (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 11:25 am Report abuse
“The head of Argentina's new Malvinas Secretariat recently announced that firms drilling off the Islands’ coasts would be ineligible to exploit shale-oil and gas in Patagonia”

And therefore losing the great benefit of being nationalised by Argentina and having their asserts seized.

“Argentina's congress passed a law that imposes prison sentences of up to 15 years and fines of up to 1.5 billion dollars on anyone involved in exploring the islands’ continental shelf without its permission.”

So with all the people that have taken part so far (never mind the future)-they're building a new gulag for all these naughty people?

“accusing London of violating international law in this “pending case of decolonization”

Which exact law would that be then?

Self made Argentine international law, or real international law?

“aims to justify the continued occupation of the islands by invoking the right to self-determination for the current British inhabitants. ”

How naughty of the UK to insist on a basic human right enshrined in the UN Charter-how anarchic is that?

“ In the case of the inhabitants of the Malvinas, we do not have a separate “people”, still less one subjected to colonialism”

So the Falklands can be taken off the list for decolonisation then?

“ The region stands firmly behind Argentina ”

Precisely-it's too much of a risk to stand in front of Argentina as you get stabbed in the back.

“Venezuela's bemoaned the Islands’ “colonial situation”.

Yet....

” we do not have a separate “people”, still less one subjected to colonialism“.

Make your minds up.

”Cuba's foreign minister recognized “Argentina’s legitimate claim on the sovereignty” over the Falklands”

And therefore Cuba is destroying the USA's territorial integrity, and should be US territory..

Make your minds up, CELAC.
12 Domingo (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 11:41 am Report abuse
Yet in January 1850 the Argentine Republic ratified the Southern-Arana Peace Treaty with Great Britain and legally ended the Argentine Republic's pretensions to Britain's sovereign territories in the South Atlantic

In October 1945 Argentina ratified the UN Treaty

Then in 1982 Argentina lost its illegal war of aggression against the Falkland Islanders in direct breach of the UN Charter and UN GA Resolution 2065. Great Britain freed the Falkland Islanders from Argentine military occupation and again legally ended Argentine Republic pretensions to sovereignty

The reason Argentine Republic refuses to accept the self-determination of the Falkland Islanders is purely due to political disagreement between the Falkland Islanders the Argentine Republic; thus Argentina is undemocratic because Argentina refuses to accept an outcome which is alternative to its wishes

However, Argentina is legally a third party to the self-determination of the Falkland Islanders and has no legal right or power to interfere; in fact the current Argentine interference is a criminal breach of the UN Charter not least Article 74 and UN GA Resolution 1514(XV)
13 Stevie (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 11:47 am Report abuse
Domingo 7?
14 Gordo1 (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
@ 12 Domingo

Good overview! There is nothing there that Argentina can challenge!
15 Islander1 (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 04:04 pm Report abuse
Nobody expects Brazil to change sides nor Uruguay nor Chile! Voting in the UN and UNASUR etc is all done for political and economic reason - always has been - nothing to do with what is right and what is not!
BUT - if(and its only an if as nothing is certain either way yet) Offshore Oil takes off here in a major way- the Brazil will be looking to gain and logical that they should with the support services etc etc. Then you could see perhaps large Braz companies saying to their Govt - there are a several billions of US$ in business at stake- lets think of Brazil first and not the idiots in BA.
16 Brit Bob (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
The penny will drop when enough people in South America realize that they have been duped by Argentina's spurious claims to the Falklands and the fact that 5 UN Advisory Opinions ALL state 'that the right to self-determination is applicable to ALL non-self-governing territories.'
17 GFace (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 04:42 pm Report abuse
@16 They're not duped at all. They are willfully and short-sightedly drinking the chunky milk and swallowing the goldfish of regional racist latin american identify politics. Otherwise they wouldn't be visiting the islands and when islanders visit THEM they'd be arresting them and extraditing them to Buenos Aires or deporting them to London.

The penny WILL drop but when they realize not the Argentina has duped them, but that there is black gold in those waters, administered by *FREE* and happy Falklanders who remain interested in doing business with them despite the mainlanders prevailing childishness.
18 Chicureo (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 04:45 pm Report abuse
Islander1
Chile recognizes Argentina's claim only because of political and economic reasons. The truth is however that Argentina is full of kleptomaniacs that never keep their promises. Unfortunately, we share a border with them and have to put up with the crybabies.
Oliver states: “...1,300 troops backed by four Typhoon jets...” Actually about 1k defense related personnel. “... If Argentina imposed a full-scale economic blockade of the Islands...” I would ask how? With Argentina's broken down navy? With their almost non-existent airforce? And EVEN if Argentina were able to assemble an assault force and take again possession of the islands, with what army? Certainly not with the current demoralized and corrupt one they have now...
Oh, I would imagine that Bachelet would agree to the suspension of the weekly LAN flight and this time would not offer assistance to the British like before... (Look at how she's recently failed to condemn Venezuela.). However, I sincerely doubt she would do anything else.
19 Brasileiro (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
Difficult situation. Could we move to Mars.
Port Stanley is up to change the situation negotiating with Argentina. Swallowing toads. Being tolerant.
All with much love!
Independence does not conquer with guns.

Long live Argentina!
Long live Falklands!
20 golfcronie (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
@19
Incoherent nonesense as usual. What idiots live down there , they don't seem to question anything, perhaps that is why they are so backward. The only Brazilian I have heard of is a shaved fanny. Pretty useful too.
21 Brasileiro (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 07:12 pm
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22 Briton (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 07:20 pm Report abuse
Brazil has no dispute with the Falklands,
Brazil is to far away in any case,
It may yet prove very lucrative to Brazil to do business with the Falklands,
The only fly in the ointment is Argentina,

It seems to all and sundry that it could well be Argentina that is holding everything and everyone back,
Perhaps the day will come when Brazil and other South American countries abandon Argentina to its own self destruction and move ahead with trade deals with the Falklands,

One either moves into the 21st century, or remain in the past..
.
23 Brasileiro (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 07:23 pm Report abuse
Briton....friend
24 downunder (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 07:16 am Report abuse
“The British residents of the islands do not have the right to resolve the sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the UK: nobody doubts they are British, and can continue to be so, but the territory in which they live is not. It belongs to Argentina.”

“and can continue to be so (British)...” Well that’s very ’argentine’ of the ambassador.
But here we have yet another shift in the Argentine position on the Islanders, it seems, in Castro’s mind, they have progressed from being ‘non-people’ to British people. If they bothered to ask the inhabitants of the Falklands, they would claim to be Falkland Islanders. But of course that doesn’t fit with Argentina’s colonial ambitions for the Falklands.
One day they may realize that no amount of acquired territory will change the fact that Argentina is a morally bankrupt state that is regarded, at best, as an awkward, hostile neighbour and at worst as an international pariah.
25 Martin Woodhead (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 09:12 am Report abuse
Cant imagine oil firms are leaping with joy to exploit shale oil in argentina considering the last oil firm got nationlised?
26 Britworker (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 09:17 am Report abuse
The Falkland Islands are going to be a head ache more and more to the South Americans because they are a democracy running their country well and their inhabitants all have a good standard of living. When the oil starts to flow, there will be huge US and EU interest, if they are the only countries wanting to work with the Falkland Islands, so be it. The door will be open for many South American countries. If their headache is not wanting to upset Argentina, then that is their problem and it is nothing to do with the Falkland Islands.

Oh, we don't need and aircraft carrier to destroy everything Argentina has in 2014. The islands are fortified by rapier missiles, we have Tomahawk cruise missiles of their coast and soon to have Taranis supersonic stealth drones based in St Helena that can be over Argentina in 1 hour.

They can add that to their headaches!
27 golfcronie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 11:40 am Report abuse
@23
You are easily pleased aren't you. I love Brazil, am I your friend now? Still the best Brazilian was on my ex wifes fanny ( and I don't mean a homo sapiens either) oh I don't know couldn't care less.
28 toooldtodieyoung (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 01:19 pm Report abuse
27 golfcronie

“Still the best Brazilian was on my ex wifes fanny”

Thank you so much for posting that.

That knowledge has enhanced my day no end and has improved me as a human being............

I took the family to that Brazilian restaurant on King's street, what's it called....? Tropeiro!! That's the one!! We loved it, great place.

Can we all be Brasileiro's friend as well please?
29 Stevie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 01:26 pm Report abuse
A Brasilian on your ex-wifes fanny?

...

That would explain two things, why she is your ex-wife and why you dislike Brasilians...
30 toooldtodieyoung (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 01:42 pm Report abuse
29 Stevie

oh, stevie, stevie, stevie!!!

Here is a stick. Here is the wrong end of it.

Here you take it.............
31 redp0ll (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
@18 Chiruceo
Could it also be that Chile has an incipient rattling of skeletons demanding decolonization of Easter Island?
32 golfcronie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 03:06 pm Report abuse
@30
Obviously Stevie does not know what homo sapiens means, about right for an uneducated SA homo sapiens. In Latin homo sapiens means “wise man”
33 Stevie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 03:09 pm Report abuse
Well,if he meant modern man, that would be homo sapiens sapiens...
34 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
@9

Yeah, because we don't like Anglos, like you. Is that problem?

We don't have that right?

You see, we have a slight problem with a bunch of people that for 500 years did NOTHING BUT ATTACK 'poorly defended people', and today think they have a moral standing on the matter over us.

That's rubs us the wrong way. Is that so shocking?

You attacked our territory three times in the 19th century. That didn't score you points with us. Is that shocking too?

You show implacable double-standards on the Ukraine today, allowing the pro-Westerners to topple a government, but denying the Crimeans the right to do the same.

If the rest of Latin America does not see that blatant hypocrisy, not our problem.

You Anglos accuse Argentine of genocide within Argentine territory, you did the same exact and worse in North America, Australia, and India.

Would you be friendly to a man that tells you to shut your mouth as you talk on your cell phone, while he yaps away shouting in the streets, lungs out?

Seriously, you need help if you can't see why Argentines are the one people in the Western Hemisphere that want nothing to do with the Anglos.
35 Monty69 (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 06:28 pm Report abuse
@34
''the same exact and worse in North America, Australia, and India.'' No. India is still full of Indians. And in any case, nothing Britain did to anyone excuses genocide within Argentine Territory. Are you saying it's OK because Britain did it too? Really?

Who is this 'we' and 'us' anyway? You don't speak for all Argentines (I doubt you even are one). Britain is full of Argentine people who have no problem at all with 'Anglos'. Just because you are a disgusting racist little scumbag don't make the mistake of thinking everyone in your country is still weeping with rage because the British sent a warship against the Spanish in 1807. Most people have managed to move on and get a life and I suggest you do too.
36 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
No, my comprehension challenged friend, the actions themselves were not justified. Britain lecturing US about it is the issue.

I do speak for all Argentines, since I have convinced a vast number already of the evilness of Europeans, including Anglos.

You sent a warship?? You sent 5.00o TROOPS to subjugate the city, by force, and shooting cannons at homes and innocents!

That sound friendly to you??? If you had a problem with the Spanish, you would have attacked Spain. Or at least one of the big colonies full or real Spaniards in Lima, Havanna, or Mexico. You didn't have the guts for that and instead tried to assault and rape a defenseless (there you went again, attacking “poorly defended people”), marginal outpost in the middle of nowhere.

Thankfully the local civilians gave you lot a got fry in the pan (literally).

I will never forget that act, and the suffering it brings me.
37 yankeeboy (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
Toby, You really shoudl take a logic class. You are really terrible at logically working out an argument.
Those two posts are a complete mess and the problem is even if you read them over and over you'll never be able to figure out why.
You are terribly educated
I would be angry too if the best job I could ever hope for is working at a front desk of a Int'l Hotel Chain.
Sad troubled boy
38 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
Funny how you always proffer “conclusions” about anything and everything yet never elucidate or provide evidence to substantiate your asseverations.

Pig with lipstick = still pig
39 golfcronie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
@36
You are not surprised that the FALKLANDERS do not want anything to do with Argentina. How many soldiers did you send to invade the FALKLANDS, please remind me. We will never forget that act, and the suffering it brings us.
40 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 07:33 pm Report abuse
I'm not the one telling you to forget. It is you anglo tossers telling argies to forget Britain's past.

Never.

Look at how long Peronism lasts, or anything else lasts in Argentina.

Our memory lasts THOUSANDS of years.
41 yankeeboy (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 07:37 pm Report abuse
Our memory lasts THOUSANDS of years.

Does it?

Do I have to keep pointing out how stupid you are?
42 toooldtodieyoung (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
36 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#)

“I do speak for all Argentines”

Wow.....Hate filled AAAANNNDDDD conceited!!! That's quite a combination you've got there.

You don't speak for all Argentines. You can't...... You don't have the authority or the mandate........

You are such a kn*b!!! You remind me of the little kid in the playground throwing a tantrum and whining to the teacher “It's mine!! everyone knows it's mine”

Sorry to tread on your ego tobi but guess what?

You're being a whiny b*tch.
43 golfcronie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 07:47 pm Report abuse
@40
No good staying in the past. Do you know the world has moved on? That is the problem in SA, you always refer to the past, you cant alter the past but you can change the future. Never mind we do not need you.
44 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 07:49 pm Report abuse
Forget the past, no future. Do not redress the past, fully worthless future.
45 yankeeboy (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
44. Have you been breathing in that black smoke from the YPF storage tank?
You seem a bit off.
46 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
I am writing in Chinese in another Forum, it is natural I Forget some words in English. Chinese is a very efficient language and Dispenses many fillers and connectors.

That is how the Chinese talk and write, at 44. Anyone that has heard a Chinese speak in English or Spanish knows what I mean. Succint folk.
47 toooldtodieyoung (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 08:07 pm Report abuse
46 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld

“I am writing in Chinese in another Forum”

...................and I'm a teapot called Erica...............
48 yankeeboy (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 08:12 pm Report abuse
46. Who cares? Translation is free and on my phone. I can go all over the world and either speak English or get a translation on my phone and have it speak it or write it for me.
What a terrible waste of a life.
49 Anglotino (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 08:31 pm Report abuse
When did Nostrils start wearing lipstick?
50 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 08:36 pm Report abuse
@46

I care, all that matters. You go on slaving away your life to make money.

I don't and won't have to work a single day in my life, and still have more money than you.

What a sad existence.

@49

Subliminal wishes best kept home.
51 yankeeboy (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
You are a sad little monkey.
52 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
Why? Because I will be fine without working and sweating for a few balls of dough?

Don't be jealous. You make yourself, right?
53 toooldtodieyoung (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 08:47 pm Report abuse
50 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld

“Subliminal wishes best kept home.”

That is what happens when you are lazy by nature, all Readers here beware, Neglecting the word “at” in his last sentence would not have been so ruinous to his Standing.
54 yankeeboy (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 08:56 pm Report abuse
Toby, The saddest person I have ever met in my life was someone who never had to work. His family was one of the wealthiest families in the USA. He had no direction, no self worth, he told me once, my only job is to find someone to love me and at 40 he had not done it and considered himself a failure.
Money is not my goal in working. I work for my self worth, my self esteem and I help others. I am probably the luckiest person I know. I have never had to worry about having money it has always been there.
One of my goals in life is to go to every country in the world. I am 1/3 done but I have many many years to make it happen.

It is easy to see that you are angry and unhappy. I believe it is because you are lost. You need to grow up, get out of your parents house and get a job.
55 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 11:39 pm Report abuse
@54

Then you must be single and know less than 3 people, if I'm the saddest person you have met. Hermit that has a bottom-dweller, scraper existence. Horrid.

You know I am asked often why I hate Anglos, Euros, and NorthAms.

The real question is: WHY NOT?

Even if I were to somehow forget all the genocides, exterminations, deracinations, hunts to extinction, world wars, civil wars, ethnic cleansings, diseases, betrayals, and on and on and on, that you tossers have inflicted on this planet... I still would hate you.

Reason being? Noticed all the humiliations that you write about my country here? How do you expect from me any other emotion but Hate, Haine, Hass, Odio?? HMM?

2 cents.
56 yankeeboy (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 11:53 pm Report abuse
You are sad. I know exactly what you are little monkey.
Everything I post about Argentina is backed up by facts then extrapolated based on my life experience and my time living there.
If that makes you angry that's your problem.
57 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 12:11 am Report abuse
No reason to get upset.
58 yankeeboy (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 12:17 am Report abuse
Nope, you memorizing 1000 words a week makes me sad though. Its a waste of time and effort and accomplishes nothing.
59 Anglotino (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 01:31 am Report abuse
I am often asked why I hate Argentineans.

To which I reply by highlighting the stupidity of possibly being able to hate an entire country.

How could hate 42 million people? It's a sheer impossibility.

Hate is for this with a weak-will who are trapped by their own inadequacies and powerless to change themselves.
60 Monty69 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 02:29 am Report abuse
36 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld

''You didn't have the guts for that and instead tried to assault and rape a defenseless (there you went again, attacking “poorly defended people”), marginal outpost in the middle of nowhere.''

You're having a laugh surely. You've finally developed a sense of humour and irony.
The difference is that we really can remember you doing that to us and still feel the pain of it.

You really are a bit of a wierdo aren't you. If something that happened to someone over 200 years ago brings you suffering, I think you need to get out more.
61 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 02:40 am Report abuse
@60

So what you are saying is that because it happened to you only 30 years ago, your suffering at our hands is more “worthy” than our suffering at your hands, is that it?

But I always knew the Anglos viewed others as less worthy of compassion. Their entire history is a reflection thereof.
62 Be serious (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 07:24 am Report abuse
Maybe London is delaying bringing all the oil ashore until the aircraft carriers are ready. Otherwise can see large numbers of battle hardened troops being redeployed from Afghanistan to the Falklands very shortly. Unless of course Putin grabs the rest of Ukraine.
63 lsolde (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 10:17 am Report abuse
Nostrils?
are you still here?
l thought that you had commited suicide long ago.
Yes, yes, l know.
We have done ALL the evils in the world & Argentina has done nowt.
You know what nostrils?
l don't give a rat's arse.
Thats us! Suck it up, baby.
64 Benson (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 10:27 am Report abuse
“I'm not the one telling you to forget. It is you anglo tossers telling argies to forget Britain's past.
Never.
Look at how long Peronism lasts, or anything else lasts in Argentina.
Our memory lasts THOUSANDS of years.”

How do you know, Argentina has only been around for a couple of hundred.

“So what you are saying is that because it happened to you only 30 years ago, your suffering at our hands is more “worthy” than our suffering at your hands, is that it?

But I always knew the Anglos viewed others as less worthy of compassion. Their entire history is a reflection thereof.”
I would say that living victims would be more worthy of compassion than their desendants wouldn't you?
65 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 10:33 am Report abuse
@62

Putin can invade Ukraine and Poland AND the Baltic tomorrow and you are not raising your finger against Mother Russia. Neither you or the French or the Germans would defeat the Russians.

@63

Your honesty is a fresh bout of air. Your lack of compassion, lack of contriteness, and complete disregard of your past is the real Anglo attitude, and European in general.

Thank you for being open about your inhumanity.

@64

But here you are demanding Argentina pay its debts, so that children die in the streets of hunger. I don't buy your concern for the living, even if what you say on paper is correct.
66 yankeeboy (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 12:05 pm Report abuse
Toby, There is no one on this board more filled with hate spewing bile than you. Maybe Think but he's more bitter and lonely that is why he lashes out. You on the other hand are sad, uneducated, racist and delusional.
When you first started posting here you went on and on singing the praises of Argentina but now as the reality of what we've been warning you about is hitting home and personally effecting your family you are lashing out at “the others”.
It is typical of the uneducated to absorb the gov't propaganda. It is a tried and true method to whip up support for the gov't and deflect all the ills they have caused onto something else.
It is sad the unwashed masses fall for it every time.
You are part of the unwashed masses.
My guess is you finally realized the last decade is probably going to be the best time of your life and the rest of it will be getting progressively worse every year.
The lack of hope and sadness has made you into an angry little boy.
67 Anglotino (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 12:14 pm Report abuse
Mother Russia?

Bahahahahahaha

Seems the atrocities committed by Europeans that are Russian are forgotten. “Thank you for being open about your inhumanity”. Bahahahahahaha
68 golfcronie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 12:40 pm Report abuse
@65
Tell us again , how many were killed by “ mother Russia” Stalin springs to mind.
69 Benson (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 01:03 pm Report abuse
“But here you are demanding Argentina pay its debts, so that children die in the streets of hunger.”
I am, where?
So are you saying that Argentina is increasing it's military budget while thay have children dying in the streets, that's disgusting.
70 Be serious (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
65 We surprised you in 1982 maybe we'll surprise you again. Sometimes its necessary to fight without the guarantee of victory, a concept not apparently understood by Argylanders or Italians.
71 JohnN (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 02:21 pm Report abuse
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72 Monty69 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
61 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld

''So what you are saying is that because it happened to you only 30 years ago, your suffering at our hands is more “worthy” than our suffering at your hands, is that it?''

No. You haven't suffered anything at 'our' hands.
You are no more suffering for the actions of the British in 1807 than I am suffering for the actions of the Spanish in sending the Armada against England in in 1588. You are entitled to the same amount of 'compassion' for a historical wrong suffered by other people a long time ago.
I'm not saying that what happened 30 years ago is more 'worthy'; I'm saying it's not less worthy.
You want us to empathise with your 'pain'? Ok, I do. Poor you. I'm sure you're similarly sorry for anything the Spanish did against the English and then the British (you are sorry, aren't you?)
Now what?
73 CaptainSilver (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
Toby… can we stop feeding Tobys troll posts. The poor guy is obviously sick. Isnt it best just to ignore his rantings and concentrate on debagging the more odious trolls like Think and his sock puppets. Its unkind to mock the afflicted.
Better to discuss how Joe Bloggs is getting on with his FI garden.
74 Conqueror (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
@29 I'd judge that his ex-wife didn't care what got on her fanny. Much like argie women. All desperate to find a male with a decent pecker. None in argieland, none in uruguay, none in brazil, none in most of the west coast. Airline cabin crew is a much prized job. Travel to Europe. Find peckers instead of toothpicks!
@34 Are you planning to be an arse all your life? Five paragraphs and you can't avoid lies.
@36 Of course you never planned to attack three Chilean islands instead of Chile. You didn't attack three British island groups instead of Britain. Can you make that leap that will enable you to understand why I want to see every single argie dead. I don't include reasonable, sane, sensible Argentines.
@40 Your memory doesn't last thousands of seconds. In 1820 one of your pirates tried to claim our islands despite being a criminal. In 1828 one of your fifth columnists tried to pull a fast one, much like Putin and the Crimea. In 1833, Britain rounded up a bunch of argie murderers and rapists. That's MEMORY.
@50 A kirchnerite pay-off slug. You don't have to suffer. A typical kirchnerite. Does CFK “suffer”? Nope. Doesn't she have 1500 “little black dresses” in which to get laid? What do you have? 1500 dildoes? You are NOTHING!
@55 By human standards, YOU are sick. I believe in killing sick animals to prevent harm to humans. YOU need to be dead.
@61 You don't get it. We displayed compassion. Despite your unwarranted attack on one of our territories and the thousands of its inhabitants, we restricted ourselves to ejection. What we could have done was to obliterate your entire country. We should have. Before long, you will give us an excuse and we will. And YOU will not be missed.
@65 Don't be silly. a Girl Guide troop could finish Russia in about a week. Why would we care about argie children dying in the streets? Parents created the situation. Sorry, somebody else is always the cause. Ready for missile launch? Death to argies!
@66 Me?
75 Don Alberto (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
According to Oliver Stuenkel : “If Argentina imposed a full-scale economic blockade of the Islands, tension would almost certainly increase further.”

You can say that again ... and again ...

According to international law, a full-scale economic blockade is an act of war.
76 ynsere (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
Monty 69 @ 72

You're right about Argentine “suffering” due to 1807. The same British force attacked and conquered the “Banda Oriental” towns of Montevideo, Maldonado and San Carlos in 1806.
It's just a footnote in Uruguay's history books.
In fact most of Uruguay's battles for independence were against the Portuguese, the Brazilians and the Argentines. Much more so than against the colonial power, Spain.
77 Anglotino (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 07:35 pm Report abuse
Full scale economic blockade.... enforced with?

Argentina has been neutralised, which is why the government is so shrill.
78 toooldtodieyoung (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 07:49 pm Report abuse
70 Be serious

Ha, ha!! You know, that's just reminded me, the thinnest books in history:-

1/ Great Italian war hero's

2/ How to win friends and Influence people - a Guide to Argentine foreign policy

3/ Argentina's greatest military victories
79 Briton (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 08:22 pm Report abuse
All this hatred of things 200 years ago,
yet silence on the attack and sinking of the ship by the US Navy,

still,
they don't have the Falkland's, so its definitely personal , and rabid hatred,
and they haven't change in all those years, they are still losers...lol
80 Jack Bauer (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 10:28 pm Report abuse
Brazil's purchase of Swedish fighters, construction of a nuclear sub etc, is first of all, an attempt, or a good excuse to keep up with military technology - their current airforce and navy, are in a deplorable state. Second, it's a chance to superinflate the costs of these contracts and syphon off a few million dollars into Dilma's swiss bank account. Brazil has no reason to fear any conflict in the south Atlantic, or even Argentina, except on the commercial front - defaulting on debts, breaking the rules of the Mercosur, you name it.
Brazil's problem is that it has always sat on the fence, or for convenience's sake, or for ideological reasons, and has (in the last 12 years) sided with the worst pieces of shit their incompetent government can find - Chavez (now Maduro), Evo Morales (a complete asshole), Fidel & Raul Castro, Ahmedinejad (when in power), some shitty dictator in Central Africa, Cristina botox lips....and the list goes on and on...just a reflection of Lula's ignorance, that drove him to associate with people who couldn't care less that he was/ is an ignorant asshole.
@50, TheLyingTroll...After reading yr “I don't and won't have to work a single day in my life, and still have more money than you”, for a moment made me think you were a politician...but, even politicians if they want to be good at stealing, need to have a brain, no matter how small. So, you are NOT a politician. You are a deluded turd.
@65, YouTheLyingTroll- again : maybe if CFK went to Russia and gave Putin a BJ, she might get support for her claim to the Falklands.....
81 El Diego (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 01:41 am Report abuse
Here we go, here we go, here we go....here we go, HERE we go....

All the usual ant argentine retrobates writing the usual garbage to see who can convince the other with the best anti argentine story - what a sad bunch of half witted dimwits that don't have anything better to do or just don't have the capacit to write anything half intelligent.

It is no secret in Americas political circles that Obama wants his poodle out of the Malvinas and is seriously pissed with dave the poodle for rigging the Borg Korean esque poll among the so called islanders imported for the event by the UK. Despite what it says in the article Brazil has let it be known that they would like to see the UK out of South America and guess what - yes it's been discussed and the road for exiting is being discussed and planned - the UK has been told that if they want to have business in south America the price is the exit and betrayal of the dumbshit British kelpers so as to keep Obama and Brazil happy - hahahaha - bye-bye for the poodle - whimper whimper
82 Be serious (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 02:50 am Report abuse
81 Usual monotonous insults but no evidence, no quotes, no references, no idea and no hope. Still you managed to get it off your chest which must have helped a bit. Keep taking the tablets.
83 Anglotino (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 02:53 am Report abuse
Yet here you are taking time off your hectic polo and asado circuit and driving your Ferrari to also comment.

I'm still waiting or this mythical exit that you have predicted more than once.

When is it going to happen? With America AND Brazil wanting it to happen, you have to wonder how we got to March 2014 with no change.

This year?
Next year?
This decade?
2033?

With all this economic and diplomatic pressure it would have to be sooner rather than later.

Otherwise it isn't really much pressure at all is it.
84 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 03:00 am Report abuse
@78

4/ British Dental Health successes

5/ World beloved British recipes

6/ Unforgettable England penalty shoot-out victories

7/ Sunshine over Britain: a pictorial

8/ Honest British Prime ministers

9/ The complete UK Miss Universe winners' Biographies

10/ Famous British multilinguals

10/
85 Clyde15 (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 09:38 am Report abuse
#81
Well dago, so you are privy to the inner workings of the US White House...pay tell us more. Did you hear this when attending one of your polo chukkas ?
By the way, the Falklands are not in S.America....look at a map.
86 Monty69 (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 11:34 am Report abuse
81 El Diego

And then you woke up and found it was all a dream.

The UK has very good relations with SA countries, and so does the Falklands. They all publicly tell Argentina whatever they want to hear that week and just carry on as normal.
And Obama couldn't care less about the Falklands, you sad deluded fantasist. Do you really think he has time to waste even one minute part of his consciousness on being 'seriously pissed' with Cameron about the Falklands? No. No-one cares about it apart from you and us.
87 Benson (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 12:03 pm Report abuse
“It is no secret in Americas political circles that Obama wants his poodle out of the Malvinas and is seriously pissed with dave the poodle for rigging the Borg Korean esque poll among the so called islanders imported for the event by the UK.”

Interesting, apparently Dave is a time traveller that sent British settelers to the Falklands just so their descendants could vote his way 180 years later.
88 Clyde15 (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 12:18 pm Report abuse
#50
You said.........
I don't and won't have to work a single day in my life, and still have more money than you.
You are making a big show of learning new words for your bloated vocabulary. Do you have this one in your lexicon ?

PARASITE :- a person who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others.

This seems to describe you to a T.

What a sad existence.
89 redp0ll (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 12:48 pm Report abuse
@76
Ynsere. Let's not forget that the Brits during their invasion set up the first bilingual newspaper in South America, The Southern Star.
The ruling oligarchy of the time did not like people having ready access to a free press
90 ynsere (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 01:04 pm Report abuse
Redpoll @ 89

Quite true Redpoll. And also a Masonic Lodge. But neither the newspaper nor the lodge caused “suffering” for the population as Trolo @ 61 claims. In fact, on the few occasions when the Invasiones Inglesas are discussed, Uruguayans often express the thought that it was a pity the British left.
91 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 02:00 pm Report abuse
@86, 90

So because the rest of Latin America has “good” relations (whatever that means) with the UK and the Faklands, or the Uruguayans supposedly lament the British didn't stay to subjugate them more fully... that Argentina should act and feel the same way.

I think that is the crux of the matter. Forget the Falklands. If Argentina would come tomorrow saying “Ok, they are yours UK, we shut up forever”, but then refused to engage with them or become once again “friends” of the UK, you still would insult and blast Argentina.

Because you have no respect for differing opinions, as in the opinion that another country wants no relations with the UK or the Falklanders.

So Ynsere, taking your word for it, so the British did a couple good things according to you in Uruguay. None of it in Argentina. They came in cannons firing, taking civilians hostage, and destroying infrastructure, and trying to impose their king and language.

Sorry if to us Argentines that is historically seen as an act of aggression rather than something else. If in Uruguay the invasions are secondary footnotes fine. In Argentina they are a primordial part of our identity.
92 yankeeboy (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 02:15 pm Report abuse
91. Silly creature please come back when you have learned to post with some logic.
You are annoying us.
93 Monty69 (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 02:23 pm Report abuse
91 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld
''Because you have no respect for differing opinions, as in the opinion that another country wants no relations with the UK or the Falklanders.''

Au contraire, my intellectually challenged friend.

You seem to be having trouble distinguishing between your personal opinion and your government's policy.

Your government wants to negotiate with the UK with a view to making the Falklands and the Falkland Islanders part of Argentina. I can reference this for you if you like, but it is a self- evident fact and a matter of record.

It might interest you to know that giving the Spanish a hammering when they tried to impose their king and language on England in 1588 is a primordial part of British identity. It doesn't make us hate all Spanish people though. Because that would be childish.
94 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 02:29 pm Report abuse
@93

And I disagree with the Falklands claim. As I have said many times.

If that were to be put off the table by Argentina, that would leave 0 points of discussion between the two countries. And since the Falklands are not a country, they do not deserve level-to-level relations with Argentina.

I hate Anglo people, not all Argentines share this view. But certainly most do agree that we should not engage the UK in anything. We are and won't ever be friendly nations with each other. Too much has passed.
95 yankeeboy (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 02:41 pm Report abuse
94. Did you have an Anglo boyfriend that promised to take you away from that disgusting Mendoza and then never called you back?
96 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 02:55 pm Report abuse
Why would you conclude that?

Had you read a history book on Anglo actions around the world, you would conclude I had a read a history book on Anglo actions around the world.

foro.univision.com/t5/Practicando-en-los-Foros/MDZ/td-p/445445405

Yeah, I want to leave for that beauty that is urinated NYC or rat infested Europe.
97 Briton (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
The only Anglo eye know is- Anglo bubble-gum..lol

but to be fair, if one wished not to associate with us, then one should return the money David gives you..
98 yankeeboy (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 03:02 pm Report abuse
Nobody sane would harbor hatred for some country's actions from 100s of years ago.
It is irrational and yes INSANE

My guess the hatred is something more personal, you sound like a spurned teenaged girl wondering why nobody likes you.

BTW Buenos Aries, with it mounds of garbage on every street corner, kids begging everywhere, raw sewage flowing over broken sidewalks is worse than any city you could ever find in the USA, UK or EU. Of course you'd not know that since you've never been outside of the 3rd world.
99 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
@97

Anglos are any English speakers or people descended from them, regardless of race.

@98

Never heard of Buenos Aries. Is that near the tropic of Capricorn or Cancer?
100 yankeeboy (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
Oh sweetie you need to see a psychiatrist.
101 Briton (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
99@
but how would you know for sure any were descended from the Saxons,

yet at the same time, it is much easier to assume that most argies are descent from Spain, or the very least Europe...?
102 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 03:46 pm Report abuse
Because it is not a race, Anglos. It is an ethnic Kulturbund. Tony Blair is anglo, so is Bono. So is Queen Elizabeth and Usain Bolt. Mandela and Yankeeboy. You and Rihanna.

Same thing, Anglos.
103 Benson (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 03:57 pm Report abuse
“I think that is the crux of the matter. Forget the Falklands. If Argentina would come tomorrow saying “Ok, they are yours UK, we shut up forever”, but then refused to engage with them or become once again “friends” of the UK, you still would insult and blast Argentina. ”
If that's what Argentina wanted then I could live with that, don't know why you wouldn't want mutually benificial relations but that's up to you (or your government)
“I hate Anglo people, not all Argentines share this view. But certainly most do agree that we should not engage the UK in anything. We are and won't ever be friendly nations with each other. Too much has passed.”
Why would you hate people that you don't know and have never done anything to harm you. I don't hate all Argentine people and one of my earliest memories is of Argentine soldiers coming into my home and lining us up against the wall at gun point.
104 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 04:02 pm Report abuse
@103

You should very well hate us. If you noticed, I have never attacked a Falkland Islander here. Much less told them anything if they hate Argentina.

I hate Anglos and Europeans because they don't apologize for their crimes of the past. There can be no reconciliation without contriteness first.

The reason I hate them all now is because of the things they have said about my country. Before that, while I found their past actions execrable, I had no strong personal animus. But when Europe and the UK embarked on their latest anti-ARgentine tirades, then that all changed.

This forum also made me see how the foreigners feel about Argentines.

Argentina will never get any benefits from a relation with the UK, or Europe. Only misery, and probably get dragged into a war. See 1914 and 1939. Back then we were tied at the hip with Europe including the UK, and we had to really fight back hard to stay out of your war.

No, nothing good can come out of that.
105 yankeeboy (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
You can't rationalize with someone irrational.
Toby is clearly insane.
106 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 04:07 pm Report abuse
Isolationism is peace. What you have now in the USA is insanity, and is your downfall. New York, Washington, and Boston are just an aperitif.
107 Monty69 (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 04:43 pm Report abuse
104 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld

What 'anti- Argentine tirades'? References? Dates?

I apologise unreservedly for any crimes that me or my ancestors may have committed against you and yours.

Now it's your turn.
108 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 04:46 pm Report abuse
I apologize for the invasion of your land, and as I have said a trillion times here, wish my country would leave you alone.

See that wasn't that hard for you wasn't it.

Had you all done as Monty69 two years ago...
109 Briton (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 06:13 pm Report abuse
108@
you have lost it,
we in fact all Anglo African...
110 El Diego (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 06:30 pm Report abuse
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111 Leiard (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 07:05 pm Report abuse
@110

????????????????????
112 yankeeboy (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 08:43 pm Report abuse
106. Along with the many other subject you know nothing you can clearly add History.
Go see a psychiatrist
There is really something wrong with you.
113 golfcronie (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
@110
What F*****g planet are you on?
114 lsolde (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 08:58 pm Report abuse
Toby WAS good for a laugh,
Then he became some one to be pitied,
Now l think that he should just be ignored.
B4 I go Tobes, l not only do not care one iota for any past“crimes” that you lay at my door, if the circumstances dictated it, l would do them again.
Happy now?
Poor little Toby goody two shoes. diddums.
115 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
I proclaim you to the world as the Beau Ideal of Anglo.

Congratulations. Now go celebrate the extinction of the poor Warrah.
116 yankeeboy (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
114. Yes he was funny at first now he is just pathetic and sad.
I am pretty sure he has some serious mental issues.

Back to 8/1 and 11/1 my guess is the farmers are waiting for 15/1 to sell the bulk of their grains.
They may not have to wait too long now.

I hear cooking oil is out of stock and they are prediction inflation of 48% and a recession is assured.
Watch poverty and crime skyrocket

The next 3-6 months should be really fun to watch.
117 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
“I hear”

Obviously you don't.

www.supermercadosvea.com.ar/productos-de-vea.html
118 yankeeboy (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
Stupid little monkey, just because it is shown on the internet doesn't mean its available.
Lots of bare shelves in the stores, i hear.
119 toooldtodieyoung (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
91 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld

You REALLY don't have an idea about this “taking the p*ss” thing do you?

You see what you did there?

What you did there is to list the stuff that we already know, and joke about on a daily basis.

and as for your pointless point at 10

10/ Famous British multilinguals

Are there any Famous Argentine multilinguals????

I guess that yankeeboy comment at 112 is correct...... and, if I may be allow to paraphrase Stephan King at moment:-

“He had come from nowhere, he was going nowhere. He had reached a point of pointless ending”

Well done Tobi, you are such a crushing disappointment on so many levels................
120 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
Maybe not today, but in two or three years, there will be one. Trust me.
121 Philippe (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 12:07 pm Report abuse
Countries with no heads have no “headaches.”

Philippe
122 Briton (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 01:20 pm Report abuse
don't have an idea about this “taking the p*ss” thing do you,,,,
perhaps 120'@ knows Mr Mustapha laugh.???
123 ynsere (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 04:14 pm Report abuse
TooOld @ 119

I think writer Jorge Luis Borges would qualiify as a famous Argentine multilingual. At one time he was a Middle English professor at Cambridge if I'm not mistaken. He was also very much an anglophile. Perhaps you've read a very thoughtful poem he wrote just after the Falklands Conflict.
124 Jack Bauer (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 06:54 pm Report abuse
TrolleyLiar @ 94, “I hate Anglo people, not all Argentines share this view”“.
You've got a serious problem - which affects ONLY you...toughy shitsky.
@99, your criticism of Yankeeboy at #98 :
”Never heard of Buenos Aries. Is that near the tropic of Capricorn or Cancer?“”.......Sure, YOUR English is REALLY good...if the “Anglos” started to correct the sh*t YOU write, this forum would be about the English language.....and I suppose you think that 770 miles, the distance between BA and the Tropic of Capricorn, means just around the corner ?? you stupid c**t !!
125 Pete Bog (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
@119 toooldtodie young

“Are there any Famous Argentine multilinguals????”

Didn't Galteiri utter “I will fight to the last drop of your blood” in English or was that a translation?
126 toooldtodieyoung (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 08:14 pm Report abuse
125 Pete Bog

Famous Pete!!! Famous!! not infamous!!!

But ok then, I'll give you that one. I'll see your Galteiri and I'll raise you Keith Floyd, Eddie Izzard ( English, French and German )

and, The Man voted most likely too at College:- Nick Clegg who, as, BBC news has said :-

“Clegg speaks five languages and enjoys the company of EU leaders such as Council president Herman Van Rompuy”

Oh yeah and Sir Anthony Parsons, British ambassador to the UN ( Arabic )

and then there is of Major Ewan Southby-Talyour ( speaking and writing Arabic )
127 Pete Bog (#) Mar 28th, 2014 - 12:15 am Report abuse
@126

I stand corrected, Galteiri couldn't have been multi-lingual as he mistook the warning by the UK on 23/4/1982 That any Argentine forces representing a threat to the UK forces would be liable to attack anywhere.

His 'multi-lingual' skills interpreted this as 'You haven't got a hope in hell of removing us from the Falklands because there are thousands of Argentines cheering me around the Casa Rosada'

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