Tuesday, March 25th 2014 - 09:06 UTC

Argentina ready to sign for the Israeli Kfir Block 60 fighter aircraft

Argentina is advancing in negotiations with Israel for the purchase of the multi-purpose combat aircraft Kfir Block 60, which is supposed to replace the aging Mirage III, on service for over four decades.

The Kfir has been flying for the Ecuadorian and Colombian air forces

 According to the dialy 'Haaretz' an Argentine military delegation recently visited Israel to sign the deal to acquire the aircraft which have been “non operational for two decades and need refurbishing”.

The Israel daily reports that the Israel Air Industry accepted to update the avionics of the old aircraft to be sold to Argentina, despite the tension between both countries because of Argentina signing a memorandum of understanding with Iran to try and solve the AMIA 1994 bombing.

According to Haaretz, members from Israel defense industries said “the deal has been reached, and is waiting for the definitive signature”. Negotiations with Israel were re-launched last January. Apparently negotiations took off following the collapse of the deal to purchase 16 Spanish Mirage F1, fighter-bombers.

The Israel Kfir were designed and built in the seventies and eighties by Israel's Defense Industry with an approximate cost of 200 million dollars. Tens of these aircraft were sold to Air forces from Sir Lanka, Colombia and Ecuador, some of them with the advanced Elta radar.

If the deal is finally confirmed it would Argentina's second great purchase of Israel combat aircraft, following on the acquisition in 1978 of 39 second-hand Neshers, developed by Israel.

Also identified as the 'Daggers' in Argentina, the aircraft were particularly active during the Falklands conflict in 1982.

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1 Clyde15 (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 09:32 am Report abuse
Not really much of a story. They are entitled to purchase military equipment as is any sovereign country.
2 Papamoa (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 10:26 am Report abuse
These aircraft are as old as the mirage jets that they will be replacing, the airframes will only have a limited number of flight hours left on them and argentina will have to keep them maintained something that they do not do with any of there technical military hardware!
3 FI_Frost (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 11:16 am Report abuse
Yep, not much of a story...decent enough plane - for its age. I'd be more interested in the purchase of any weapons platforms to fit to these, especially of the anti-shipping variety.
4 Vestige (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 11:32 am Report abuse
No overblown unreasonable hysteria or p3nis swinging so far ... and the storys hours old.

wtf.
5 FI_Frost (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 11:52 am Report abuse
@4

“No overblown unreasonable hysteria or p3nis swinging so far...”

You mean machismo? Not really a turnip trait old boy...very much a bananaland attitude you'll find.
6 thorpeman (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 11:55 am Report abuse
I'm sure Iran will jump at offers for the UK to flog them a few Typhoons? I hope they get paid up front!
7 Steveu (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 11:56 am Report abuse
“These aircraft were particularly active during the 1982 Falklands conflict” says it all really

But surely isn't this “militarising” the SouthAtlantic? Or does this not count as CFK bought them and she has some kind of special exemption?
8 yankeeboy (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 11:57 am Report abuse
My guess is it won't happen. They ordered some Boeing Wide Body jets for delivery after CFK is gone.
They are committing the next gov't to a lot of U$ they don't have and can't' get.
9 Vestige (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 12:01 pm Report abuse
5 - oh yeah absolutely. as seen in earlier Arg equipment acquisition stories.
10 Conqueror (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 12:01 pm Report abuse
Argieland clearly has money to burn. Will the USA approve the sale of the Israeli versions of the engine? Where is argieland going to get US$100 million? Why doesn't it pay its debts? Does argieland realise that ONE Typhoon could kill the lot?
11 Vulcanbomber (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 12:24 pm Report abuse
One would hope that the Paris club will look at this as Argentina paying lots of money out, and yet pleeding poverty and wanting deals on their debt.

They should be paying back their debts before militarising the south atlantic.

UK won't be bothered, these would be easy prey for the 4 jets stationed at Mount Pleasant, which are in place in a purely defensive role.

I'd love to see the justification of taking money for food out of the mouths of children into an aged plane purchase.

Perhaps its CFK's last roll of the dice before she has to step out the back of a C-130
12 Clyde15 (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 12:56 pm Report abuse
For anyone interested in this subject, I suggest you read this article.
It is at least INFORMED speculation giving performance details and upgrades available including the political ramifications.

www.defenseindustrydaily.com/two-to-tango-argentina-looking-for-new-warplanes-022821/
13 yankeeboy (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 01:05 pm Report abuse
12. I don't see any reason for the USA to grant Argentina the use of our technology. There is no political upside for us.
14 Vestige (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 01:20 pm Report abuse
lol @ sensationalist article.
Paranoia from too many spliffs.
Theories from too much command and conquer.

“Despite steadily-worsening relations with Britain under the Obama administration”
... American republican in full political mode. Fresh from a youtube flamewar no doubt.
15 knarfw (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 01:33 pm Report abuse
Not a bad aircraft however they are equipped with American engines and would therefore need approval from the USA for resale. Potential stumbling block there.
16 Chicureo (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 01:35 pm Report abuse
Clyde,
Interesting link. Frankly, the Argentines would be far better off purchasing modern Russian aircraft than refurbished junk from Israel. However, if the Argentines were really serious about rebuilding their airforce they'd wait one more presidential administration and focus on a modern small defense airforce instead.
But, knowing that my neighbors fail to operate logically, I assume they'll do something stupid, just like what they've done in the past.
17 Vestige (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 01:42 pm Report abuse
Interesting link for military fantasists maybe.

Some of the utter sht in there, lol, along the lines of 'America most likely wont let Israel sell engines to Argentina for aircraft which would be a threat to the falklands in this gap before the 2020 carriers, because Britain will leverage America which currently needs Britain due to what Russia is getting up to. Also Obama is a total failure.
18 Philippe (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 02:18 pm Report abuse
The heart of the matter is that the UK needs, at the very least, two aircraft carriers.
Period.

Philippe
19 Eddieposted (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
The UK should copy Kirchner and complain to the UN about militarisation of the South Atlantic.
20 DanyBerger (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 03:00 pm Report abuse
Meanwhile in the real world more shocking news come from the Dark Kingdom...

Thousands of unborn babies incinerated to heat UK hospitals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not even “Satan” could carryout such horrendous systematic plan...

“Dispatches found that one of the country’s leading hospitals, Addenbrooke’s in Cambridge, incinerated 797 babies below 13 weeks gestation at their own “waste to energy” plant, telling mothers they would be “cremated”.”

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/thousands-of-unborn-foetuses-incinerated-to-heat-uk-hospitals-9212863.html

Amanda Holden on NHS “burning babies” scandal...
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/stop-nhs-burning-babies-says-3276589
21 FI_Frost (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
@20 Yee gods! LOL, you really are a sad desperate fellow.

”Riche comme un argentin!” (as rich as an Argentine).....Of course in those days Argentina could buy state of the art kit such as Gloster Meteors and the like.

And now? Argentina has to make do the the aged cast offs from Israel - a state created only in 1949...how sad...where did it all go wrong...
22 Briton (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 03:23 pm Report abuse
Thousands of unborn babies incinerated to heat UK hospitals

[totally wrong, but out of interest what do you do with yours ?? ]

Argentina ready to sign for the 60 fighter aircraft,

Their will be trouble ahead,
They will try again and end up dead,
Better to pay ones debts
And start again with a clean sheet,

You are entitled to upgrade your planes
The old ones are far too old to fly again,
But the outcome will still be the same,

The world is heading towards a violent end,
And CFK just wants her pennith worth,
Waiting watching observing for the chance to claim that elusive victory,
As soon as the brits make a mistake…

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23 Leiard (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 03:45 pm Report abuse
20 DanyBerger

The article refers to the disposal of foetus, mostly abortions, under 13 weeks and not still born babies.

“The parents are given exactly the same choice on the disposal of fetal remains as for a stillborn child and their personal wishes are respected.”

Read the article not just the headline !
24 stick up your junta (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 04:59 pm Report abuse
@ 20
Care to comment?
Vaccine Maker Convicted in Deaths of 14 Babies in Illegal Vaccine Experiments in Argentina.

Since 2007, 15,000 children under the age of one from Mendoza, San Juan and Santiago del Estero have been included in the research protocol, a statement of what the study is trying to achieve. Babies were recruited from poor families that attended to public hospitals.

A total of seven babies died in Santiago del Estero; five in Mendoza; and twoo in San Juan.
healthimpactnews.com/2012/vaccine-maker-convicted-in-deaths-of-14-babies-in-illegal-vaccine-experiments-in-argentina/
25 DanyBerger (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 05:20 pm Report abuse
@Leiard

I read the article and the hospitals were telling the mothers that their unborn babies were “cremated” and not incinerate together with disposable syringes, gauze, etc. to heat the hospital.

Can you understand the difference Leiard????

Are you another inhabitant of the Dark Kingdom of Satan?

@stick up your junta

Idiot you are not even intelligent to pick up the right article to bash Argentina.

The company mentioned in your article about the death of 14 children by performing illegal vaccine trials in humans is a British company called Glaxo.

And they also were found guilty in Colombia and Panamá for doing the same.

Another monster from the Dark Kindom of Satan...

If the Argentinean want to test new dangerous vaccines they will never use Argies babies they would use Monkeys or just British born, the result would be the same for their similarities.

But the animal protectionism associations are a pain in the @ss and they defend the monkeys fervently...

Well what can be do?

Do ya want a banana?
26 Room101 (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 05:29 pm Report abuse
The point is that Argentina is looking for a deal and a partnership to rearm: speculate to accumulate. 2020 is the deadline.
27 LEPRecon (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 05:50 pm Report abuse
I hope the Israeli's are demanding payment up front, because we all know that Argentina hasn't got the money, and their IOU's aren't worth the paper they're written on.

Hey Dany, why are you trying to divert the thread? Embarrassed that Argentina can only afford outdated second hand aircraft?
28 Briton (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 06:17 pm Report abuse
Cheaper to buy paper planes,
no fuel costs , maintenance , pilots ,
just fold and throw...lol
29 CaptainSilver (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
Do these aeroplanes have the auto roll over feature like their destroyer? Lol
30 stick up your junta (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 06:54 pm Report abuse
@25
British company? so if British doctors experimented on British babies, but the company they worked for was owned by Argentina, it would be Argentina's fault, like your logic
31 Clyde15 (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
#17
Of course, you would know !!! Forget any political references and read about the AIRCRAFT !!!

#16
Russian aircraft are not quite as good as they seem. Ask the Indian Airforce who are not happy with the serviceability of their top of the range models. They cannot get faults sorted by Sukhoi.

I see Dany ...King/ Queen of the tangential move strikes again.
32 Vestige (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
Well yeah Im sure the aircraft specs, and much of the essential story is factual. It just that its crammed with spaghetti drama worthy of a Mexican soap-opera.
The stuff of early Bond films or an 80's VanDamme vhs cassette.

In revenge Argentina will probably bargain with Russia who will use their links with China to move copied weapons under cover in exchange for Russian use of Argentine ports. Obamas commie leftist inefficiency wont help much now.
33 Sir Digby chicken Ceaser (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
Even if the deal went through, even if Argentina finds the money to maintain them, even if they find the money to arm them, even if they can refuel them mid air, it will be for naught as the dastardly Brits will just station more typhoons in the Islands. Which are maintained, armed, capable of mid air refuelling etc, etc, etc.
34 ilsen (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 10:30 pm Report abuse
Classic distraction technique by Douche Burger re: babies.
Can't believe you took the biscuit!!!!

No story here, except the hypocrisy re “militarising the South Atlantic” KFC propaganda.
No threat to UK/Falklands about the Argies buying used-goods.
Way below UK capabilities. No threat. NO comment needed.

Even without the Typhoons... Just one Astute class Sub.
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BOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

xxxxx
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night night!
35 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 11:23 pm Report abuse
34)

There is no story regarding the islands, because these planes are not intended against the Falklands. All the comments related as to Argentina attempting a attack are idiotic. As simple as. Sorry.

As it is Argentina could barely keep track with its neighbours and that is IF the purchase is agreed and fulfilled....

There is planes that cross daily from the Bolivian and Paraguayan border and land in clandestine bases all over the north of the country. Argentina doesnt even have operational fighter jets to intercept them.

You guys have to study much more Argentina's current position and the power balance in the region.
36 FI_Frost (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 12:28 am Report abuse
@35

No one seriously expects a short or even medium term attack - although UK Intel. thought the same in 81.

However, Argentina's CV means you have to prepare for a future populist nutjob looking for glory: any upgraded air-force would likely be called upon to probe and may be harass shipping in and around FI. If large O&G finds go commercial then things will get tetchy for sure.
37 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 12:38 am Report abuse
36

You would have to be the equivalent of King Pyrrhus of Epirus to do that, what you forget is that as much as people like a nationalist fight a World cup o a rethorical cause, they hate defeats and failure as well.
Galtieri didn't last a week after the defeat of 1982.

If an Argentine leader dares to go that far it would be pretty much giving a Astute Class submarine green light to take down key assets of the economy in hours. The RAF carried out bombing sorties 30 years ago so it can bomb ports and cities of the coast and over the province of Bs As from the Falklands or even the Ascention Islands.
38 Chicureo (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 02:44 am Report abuse
Clyde
Still, I'd rather have modern Russian equipment over 40 year old junk.

#37 CD
They never lose, they just
39 Frank (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 06:39 am Report abuse
Golly all these planes and the ones they bought off Spain!!!
Oh thats right... that deal went tits up just as this one shall...
40 knarfw (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 11:35 am Report abuse
37 CD

Civilian areas would not be targeted but I wouldn't be surprised if military installations were neutralised very quickly. If your government is crazy enough to try it again, which I doubt, then the gloves will be well and truly off this time around.
41 Clyde15 (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 11:38 am Report abuse
#32
In revenge Argentina will probably bargain with Russia who will use their links with China to move copied weapons under cover in exchange for Russian use of Argentine ports.

If this were to happen then the security of the Falklands would be guaranteed . The USA would seek a deal to have a navy base there and use of the airfield. Checkmate !
42 Briton (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 01:28 pm Report abuse
Fleet Modernization Drives Requirements Across South America

This is what they say, Argentina included..
www.defensenews.com/article/20140325/DEFREG02/303250026
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Besides if she can persuade putin to send troops and planes and ships to her aid,
She might, just might get her deluded victory and get the Malvinas back,

But even he can’t get her the British Falklands,
Just not cricket old boy…lol
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43 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 03:27 pm Report abuse
40

Just by bombing ports of Bs As and Rosario Argentina is delivered a death blow.

Argentina needs to upkeep with the Brazilian an Chilean airforces, if Argentina was even serious about tacking the British presence in the Atlantic (notice the difference between Atlantic and not the islands) it would be developing anti submarine capabilities and upgrading and rebuilding the P-3 Orion fleet which is currently unable to patroll the continental waters, as well as getting new submarines. The money is just not there nor the political will to do it.

On the other hand Argentina's greatest security threat comes from the North along with the Bolivian and Paraguayan frontier, as well as currently having a big difference in power with Chile.

IMO this purchase is not even good enough and its pretty much another small patch to cover a increasing loophole.
44 Vestige (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 05:33 pm Report abuse
43 - Fortunately Argentinas budget is only focused on its day to day goals of a standing self defence force. It has no need to fear Chile or any other Mercosur/S.American power. No need or focus on foreign colonial exploits.

Any acquisitions Argentina makes are for its own security, an assurance/insurance, nobody really has the combined motive and means to invade Argentina.
Any Arg purchases dont have the falklands/malvinas in mind as the primary focus.

The islanders however must keep in line with this naturally growing defense budget and any acquisitions made.
A budget which will grow based on exponential population growth over the decades to come. So that if they're still on the tropical Malvinas in 50 years time they'll be outnumbered by their own troops 2:1. Expensive.

Think about it.
45 yankeeboy (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 08:15 pm Report abuse
The world would be a much better place if Chile and Brazil just divvied up Argentina equitably between the two of them.
46 Pete Bog (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 08:53 pm Report abuse
If a T45 is on station the Argentine airforce can kiss itself goodnight, Kfirs, Mirages Thunderjets et al.

The carriers coming inn 2020 will be useful but our ships and submarines (never mind the Rapier which will not be the same as its 30 year old cousin, and the Eurofighters) could give Argentina worse days than 1982

@12 Clyde
Good link-although a C17 carrying a heavy load may need a long runway-I would not bet against it being able to land a t Stanley airport or one or two of the FIGAS airstrips (depending I guess on the season), depending on the load and how much fuel was left in the tanks.

It will be interesting to see if an A 400 could get to the Falklands after refuelling as it is more capable than a Hercules and also capable of rough strip operations-and the Falklands have plenty of those-the FIGAS grass airstrips have changed a lot in the last 30 years.

Perhaps Israel see some mileage in selling Argentina aircraft but if their aircraft suffer the same fate as Dagger vs Sea Harrier, then they will have the reputation of selling cannon fodder.
47 ilsen (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
Thank you Pete Bog for your interesting comments. Most informative.
48 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 10:17 pm Report abuse
You are really naive to think that there would be no potential conflict in the future in South America.
First of all you are condemning Argentina to become protectorates of Brazil and Chile. Because they do have the means to destroy Argentina. I dont know where you get that they dont have the means for it when Argentine armed forces have bullets for a couple of hours. Argentina doesnt even have radars to controll its borders. Im expecting a africanization or Mexicanization of the NOA and the border lands with Paraguay and Bolivia and that might well become a future foucus of instability.

There is no border patroll or Gendarmeria.... They are ever more send over to Bs As or to the interior to cope with ever increasing criminality

And despite all the talk by politicians never before there has being so many purchases and increase in spenditure of defence like in the past decade in the region.... Here is a key point, if your neighbour covets your lands and resourses, he will never say so to you. They never do.

There is a old Roman saying...
“Si vis pacem para bellum”
49 Briton (#) Mar 27th, 2014 - 01:45 pm Report abuse
No one knows what the future will hold,
We can only predict with much uncertainty or based on past experience,

But south America has been in turmoil for decades, and probable will still be in turmoil for decades to come, until they can put aside there differences and live in peace and freedom/democracy,

Our interest is for the most part , the Falklands, and opinions very as to can future Argentinian governments invade or cause distress , or more trouble to the Falklands, or would future governments give up their claim and seek forever peace, thus creating freedom of choice , trade , etc,

But until this is settled the British government will have to station military units of all branches in the defence of the Falklands, just in case,
For we cannot afford to make the mistake of withdrawing only to find them knocking at the door again,

No one want this conflict with argentina to carry on and on, but until they change there attitude opinion and drop the claim, then this will never be solved , unless through violence, to which one wants, except a few deluded die hards,
Just my opinion of course...
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50 Vestige (#) Mar 27th, 2014 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
It's *their* differences.

There - like 'here' ... over '-here' over 'there'.
They're - like 'they'(a)re' ... they're.
51 Clyde15 (#) Mar 27th, 2014 - 06:54 pm Report abuse
'#46
C-17 Globemaster :-
The design of the aircraft allows it to carry out high-angle, steep approaches at relatively slow speeds, thus allowing it to operate into small, austere airfields onto runways as short as 3,500 feet long and only 90 feet wide.
It should also manage to get out of Mt Pleasant fully loaded..at a pinch.

I have watched and photographed C-17's from the RAF, USAF and RCAF
landing and taking off at Prestwick using less than half the runway for take off and about a third on landing.
It's range is sufficient to get from Ascension to the Falklands but the addition of air-to-air refuelling would be a wise move.

As the A 400M Atlas has an air-t0-air refuelling facilty it can reach the Falklands with a “top up ” en route supplied by the Voyager.

As a footnote, the Voyager has been cleared to fly again.
The accident inquiry found that the incident where the aircraft dropped thousands of feet suddenly was not because of any fault in the aircraft. The pilot had been using his SLR camera in the cockpit and failed to stow it properly. It fell down into the fly-by-wire side stick controls and jammed them causing the aircraft to do a sudden nose dive of 4,450 feet before it was brought back to level flight.
52 Chicureo (#) Mar 27th, 2014 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
Clyde
Interesting about the SLR incident.
In any case, I would put our F16s against any airforce in South America, EXCEPT the 4 stationed in the FI...
When I became a midshipman in the early 80s, we were wary of our neighbors, today we nothing but pity...
53 Briton (#) Mar 27th, 2014 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
50 Vestige
As im writing it, it’s my choice of letters,
If eye wanted to use their, I would have written [their]
But eye chose there,
If you have any objections tell the teacher.

p/s
And you NEVER ever made an error,
You must be so brilliant; we bet you are an academic, Spelling corrections teacher.
right , rite , write ,
54 DanyBerger (#) Mar 27th, 2014 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
@Briton

I just wonder where you see the “turmoil for decades” and the “in turmoil for decades to come” in South America, etc.?

What about the turmoil in Europe?

The Red Brigades in Italy?

The bombing of Lockerbie?

IRA bombing everywhere in UK?

Ulster?

The Balcans?

The bombing in Antocha Madrid Spain?

The ETA bombing in Spain?

The bombing in the Tubes in UK?

Do you know Crimea that was taken by force by Russia?

Are you just hypocrite or you have no idea of what is going on in Europe?

“No one want this conflict with argentina to carry on and on, but until they change there attitude opinion and drop the claim”

Argentina will never drop any claim over these islands when are you going to understand that?
55 Briton (#) Mar 27th, 2014 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
54 DanyBerger
If I were talking about and replying abt the rest of the world, you would be correct in your assumption,
But I was talking purely in this case about South America,
Quite a few of its countries [but not all]
Have had many problems in the past decades,
Dictatorships, protests, riots, government crackdowns, corruption, illegal arrests,
Civil unrests and illegal aggression to distract form ones own problems,

But then again, I could be totally wrong on this occasion, and these South American countries have no problems, they are doing quite well and are respected nations,
But hey, its just an opinion, just like your opinions, is this not so..lol
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[Argentina will never drop any claim over these islands when are you going to understand that.]

Then quite clearly you know more than most of us, and very good at predicting the future,
In that case, there will never be an end to this pointless none existent claim, will there..
Still,
One day when you and your cohorts rule the known world, then you will get rid of those pesky none existent pirates wont you…lol

.
56 Vulcanbomber (#) Mar 27th, 2014 - 10:19 pm Report abuse
Hey playing the old RG trick of changing subjects, has anyone seen this, bet old CFK is throwing a tantrm

www.penguin-news.com/index.php/component/content/article/31-oil/687-oil-company-nobles-floating-dock-arrives-in-falklands
57 Vestige (#) Mar 27th, 2014 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
53 - calm down. Its just a little quirk I sometimes get, (as do many online) and of course I make many the grammatical error.

The worldwide tyranny that is the mis-use of 'there' on the internet must be stopped.
58 Clyde15 (#) Mar 27th, 2014 - 10:40 pm Report abuse
#52
I would agree with your assessment of Chile's air force and the F-16..
Years ago, I had a conversation with a couple of USAF pilots who told me that flying the F-16 in a dogfight was like having a knife fight in a telephone booth. I know that RAF Tornado pilots flying against them in dissimilar combat did NOT engage in dog fights as they could not keep up with their maneuvers.. It was a case of in fast , fire missiles and leave even faster.
The aircraft the F-16''s did not like fighting was the Sea Harrier.
The theory of aerodynamics did not seem to apply to them.

Talking about side sticks and computer control, the first F-16 was almost lost when the side stick had a fault. In programming it, they got a decimal point wrong in the software and made it 10 times more sensitive than it should have been. When the pilot went to take off, the slight movement of the controls was multiplied tenfold and the aircraft went vertical. Luckily the engine was on full reheat and the power kept it going but he had a terrible job bringing it back down safely. I think the programmers got an earful when he got back !
59 DanyBerger (#) Mar 27th, 2014 - 10:45 pm Report abuse
@Briton

Briton, Briton, briton... You have to travel more often and see the real world with your eyes and not through your propagandistic British media.

When you talk about South America you are talking about a territory of more than 17.8 km2.

Lets say 12% of total world mass of land including Antarctica.

Do you have any idea about how big and diverse is that?

Think in more than 4 times the size of what is Western Europe.

Or in Western and Eastern Europe plus part of Asian Russia.

Now make a calculisss about how many wars, destruction, riots, protests, dictators, tyrans (including Monarchs), corruption, civil unrest, poverty, illegal arrests, terrorism, etc, etc. you can find in the same area cited above and then come back.

You will see how pacific, democratic, less violent and stable is SA compare with Europe and part of Asia.

“But then again, I could be totally wrong on this occasion, and these South American countries have no problems, they are doing quite well and are respected nations,”

I’ve never said that SA countries have no problems...

What I’m saying is that you look like “Jack the Ripper” complaining about doctor malpractice on Aspirin prescriptions if you know what I mean.

“One day when you and your cohorts rule the known world, then you will get rid of those pesky none existent pirates wont you…lol”

I don’t but I can see on the news right now Obama moving his head down like in penitence in an interview with Argie Pope Francisco.

All the guns that Obososo has available and he has to move his head like an idiot puppet in front of a man looking like he is going to a medieval party.

What do you think?

Very Silly...

BTW when is the turn for Elizabeth II to move her head like an idiot puppet?

oh! I forgot that you are the Dark Kingdom of Satan...

Ha ha
60 Pete Bog (#) Mar 28th, 2014 - 12:51 am Report abuse
@52
“In any case, I would put our F16s against any airforce in South America, ”

Yes and better than the Mirage F1s Argentina was hoping to purchase from Spain. I believe (unless it was the F15 Eagle) that Israel replaced its Kfirs with the F16. Chile also has an AWACS aircraft-a very potent airforce.

Argentina would not come off well if they did decide to attack Chile.
61 Briton (#) Mar 28th, 2014 - 02:11 pm Report abuse
59@
two wrongs don't make a right,
the world is what it is, and we at least try to be civilised abt things,
you basic point here is the Falkland's,
Argentina should accept the status quo and leave them alone,
concentrate on her own problems and you might, just might learn what democracy is all abt,

as for our Queen is concerns, this is purely envy on your part because you don't have one, and thus criticise others that do,

as for the dark country, we have lots of light, thank you, and plenty of candles Justin case...lol
62 Chicureo (#) Mar 28th, 2014 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
Briton
I'm afraid you're wrong, Argentina HAS a queen that is admired, loved and has shown the world that some Argentinian women are not only incredibly beautiful a and charming, but also highly intelligent and positive role models....

...of course, I referring to the queen of the Low Countries...

By the way, the Malvinas DO BELONG TO Argentina... They exist as a a delusion of grandeur in the imaginative dreams of South American Kleptomaniacs...

One last question: since we're touching on the subject of kleptomania... What percentage of graft do you think a inventive government like that of CFKs could skim off an Israeli half billion Dollar refurbished jet fighter contract?
63 Briton (#) Mar 28th, 2014 - 07:08 pm Report abuse
If she shows a leg, maybe 35%lol
64 yankeeboy (#) Mar 28th, 2014 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
I heard Saint (barf) Evita had a lobotomy. Maybe that is a required procedure down there? It would certainly explain many of these posts.
65 toooldtodieyoung (#) Mar 28th, 2014 - 10:56 pm Report abuse
63 Briton

“If she shows a leg, maybe 35%lol”

But if she shows too much, they will add an extra $3 million!!
66 DanyBerger (#) Mar 28th, 2014 - 11:58 pm Report abuse
@Briton

“and we at least try to be civilised abt things,”

Do you mean civilised about things like when you were rioting in 2010?

Burning, looting, violence, police attacks everywhere....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qktOvVNXwc

Wow very nice I see how civilised you are...

Ha ha ha

“Argentina should accept the status quo and leave them alone”

Nice statement but unfortunately there is nothing you or Ukistan can do.

“as for our Queen is concerns, this is purely envy on your part because you don't have one, and thus criticise others that do,”

Only a stupid can feel envy because you have a mummy as a head of state.

You guys are so amazing...

Everyone in the west laugh about your middle age political system with mummy queen and you think that the rest of the world is jealous for that...

Are you insane or what?

Ha ha
67 Pete Bog (#) Mar 29th, 2014 - 02:42 am Report abuse
@66
“Argentina should accept the status quo and leave them alone”

“Nice statement but unfortunately there is nothing you or Ukistan can do.”

That's why you can march into the Falklands tomorrow with your world beating armed forces, right?
68 DanyBerger (#) Mar 29th, 2014 - 04:56 am Report abuse
@Pete Bog

Sorry, excuse me, I beg you pardon...

What beating armed forces are you talking????

Still the score is
Argies 4
Britons 1

It is so clear who are the beating armed forces in this game.

What do you think?
69 ilsen (#) Mar 29th, 2014 - 08:23 am Report abuse
I think you are an insecure little prick.
70 DanyBerger (#) Mar 29th, 2014 - 12:47 pm Report abuse
@ilsen

Insecure insecure little prick?

And how did you arrive to that conclusion little insect?
71 ilsen (#) Mar 29th, 2014 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
Bhaaahahaha! !!!!

Classic troll baiting. ...
72 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 29th, 2014 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
68 Dunny

“What beating armed forces are you talking????”

Dunny,
Did you even understand what you read?? Moron.

@68 Dunny
“Still the score is
Argies 4
Britons 1”

Huh ?

Britain 5
-1833
- 1945 War Against Fascism (argentine included)
- 1982 more War Against Fascism
- 2013 Referendum-even more War Against Fascism
- 2013 London - Argentina's Timmerman attempts political stunt, but is intimidated by Jan Cheek and backs down

Argentina 0

- no oil/gas development
- no US $$$ reserves
- no foreign investment
- no Free Trade Agreement
- no Air Force
- no floating Navy
- no reliable electrical infrastructure
- no competent governance
- no Free Press
- no integrity

- no future
73 Briton (#) Mar 29th, 2014 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
Danhy danny CFK,

it wont work, you lost end of..
74 Clyde15 (#) Mar 29th, 2014 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
Dany

That was about 200 years ago, The one that mattered was in 1982....what was the result ? If you wish a re run feel free to try it. You would come off even worse than the last time.

However, to be fair to you, trolling is all you can do. You have no power, no REAL friends and your country is going glug, glug inexorably down the plug hole. You should use your other passport and do a runner to Germany while you still can.

Bye bye.
75 Briton (#) Mar 29th, 2014 - 07:48 pm Report abuse
Chuckle.
76 toooldtodieyoung (#) Mar 29th, 2014 - 09:46 pm Report abuse
71 ilsen

“Classic troll baiting. ...”

Har, har, har

Nuff respect!!!
77 ilsen (#) Mar 29th, 2014 - 10:21 pm Report abuse
Cheers @76!

Just couldn't resist it.

I loved how he got so upset he double typed “insecure”...
lol!

Oh yes, back of the net! Or maybe a Home run as yankeeboy might say.
I really enjoyed that one.
78 DanyBerger (#) Mar 30th, 2014 - 05:11 am Report abuse
@Clyde15

“That was about 200 years ago, The one that mattered was in 1982”

Is the one that maters because you were so lucky?

This was 32 years ago old history like the rest of the invasions carryout by Britain, wasn’t yesterday...

So Clayde15 you have not solid ground to predict what will be the outcome in the future.
79 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 30th, 2014 - 05:42 am Report abuse
78 Dunny

“Is the one that maters because you were so lucky?”

“lucky”??-?

You're so full of sh!t.
You knew they were coming, you had a month to dig in, you had more aircraft and you were only 300 miles from home.

They earned every bit of that victory, even if you were overconfident and incompetent.
80 DanyBerger (#) Mar 30th, 2014 - 05:57 am Report abuse
@Troy Tempest

Just lucky Troy, just lucky...
81 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 30th, 2014 - 07:06 am Report abuse
80

still saying “lucky”?

No, they overwhelmingly beat you, and your childish ego can't take it.

We are laughing at immature children like you, “Dunny” ( you know what that word means, right? )

Are you angry at me, now ??

Ja ja ja ja ja ja !!!!
82 Clyde15 (#) Mar 30th, 2014 - 09:35 am Report abuse
#78
Yes, we were lucky because you were arrogant and useless.
You believed in the crap of Argentine invincibility.
You managed to wrest control of a poorly defended group of islands with a huge military invasion and had the arrogance to think that no one could possibly take it back from you.
You had every advantage but you blew it. To be fair though, you are good at mass patriotic demonstrations with flag waving a shouts of Patria. Not much else though .

OK, YOU tell me HOW Argentina could militarily invade the Falklands and defeat Britain. I await your strategic knowledge with interest.

You are correct in one aspect. I cannot say what the situation will be like in the years 2300, only within the foreseeable future.
83 ilsen (#) Mar 30th, 2014 - 10:16 am Report abuse
Oh dear insecure dickhead Dunny just said the Falkland Islands War was a British invasion.....

:-)
Chuckle
84 DanyBerger (#) Mar 30th, 2014 - 12:01 pm Report abuse
@Troy Tempest

“Are you angry at me, now ??”

Nope and you?

But you still were so lucky!

@Clyde15

Are you angry too?

Why?
85 ilsen (#) Mar 30th, 2014 - 12:41 pm Report abuse
Dunny 'desperate for attention' booger.

Give it up. You lost then and you are losing now.

See a pattern with this?
86 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 30th, 2014 - 05:43 pm Report abuse
ilsen and Clyde

He still doesn't know what a “dunny” is, LOL '!!
87 Clyde15 (#) Mar 30th, 2014 - 05:51 pm Report abuse
#84
No, I don't get angry with children. I realise that they need an education in morals in order to differentiate between right and wrong.

So far, you are just showing your childish ignorance in adult's matters.

Go and watch Looney Tunes on your DVD. That is about your level.
88 ilsen (#) Mar 30th, 2014 - 06:04 pm Report abuse
Lol!!!!!
89 DanyBerger (#) Mar 31st, 2014 - 12:01 am Report abuse
@Clyde15

Do you realise that you don’t convince anyone?

still you sound angry Cly...
90 Clyde15 (#) Mar 31st, 2014 - 09:09 am Report abuse
#89
Speaking for the world again...an Argie trait.
Sorry but no. What I do wonder is why you are so bitter and twisted and what made you so. I can only guess but I really don't care.
Your job here is to try and rile people with crap comments at your master's bidding.

I understand that so there is no point in being angry with the mentally challenged. Your methodology is SO obvious and some of your posts are stupid to the nth degree,
For example, untrained Argentinian conscripts sank half the British fleet.
Do you still stand by that remark ? One of the many pieces of stupidity OR ignorance which have emanated from your keyboard.
91 DanyBerger (#) Mar 31st, 2014 - 08:06 pm Report abuse
@ Clyde15

You have a problem to follow posts. Read again and you will see that this “remark” was made by other from the Britonwannabe team...

Still upset?
92 ChrisR (#) Mar 31st, 2014 - 09:11 pm Report abuse
Now let’s not be disparaging of the argie military. It’s not their fault that they have out of date equipment, from the fully auto FAL (what a joke, even a good shot can’t hit anything with these) to ships that turn over in port and carry out of date munitions anyway. And their airforce! Has ANYONE ever SEEN an argie plane FLYING in the last two years and make it back on the ground in one piece?

No, TMBOA is so scared they will make a coup and shoot her on the front lawn of Casa Rosada that she has starved them of funds.

But of course there is something that we just cannot overlook. They are all cowards when faced with a real army, especially one that can come across the Falklands and kick their arses off the islands. But then again who in the whole of SA wouldn’t be?
93 Clyde15 (#) Apr 01st, 2014 - 01:18 pm Report abuse
#91
No Dany, I rather look forward to your posts. They are rather entertaining.
To get angry with someone, you have to have some feeling for them.
Water off a duck's back as they say here.
I just reply in kind to whatever your latest diatribe is.
Some are laughably stupid although I don't think this about you.
You have a trolling agenda and will post remarks that you hope will offend and make people angry. That is your sole purpose here.
Whether or not you are a paid up La Campora member is of no consequence, but you peddle their line.

If I remember, the remark was made in another thread. If it was not by you, then I apologise. Who made it ?. I don't take running notes on postings for future reference . That sort of thing would indicate a rolling plan which I do not have.

By the way, to which remark are you referring. Could you also explain what you mean by a Britonwanabee
94 DanyBerger (#) Apr 02nd, 2014 - 03:55 am Report abuse
@Clyde15

You don’t need to apologise Clay anyway I appreciate your gesture.

Anyway To be honest I’m not sure now who was but I remember that he says something like...

“If you were so stupid to sent untrained soldiers or something like that...”

So I added that the untrained soldiers have sunk half of the Royal Navy, etc.

And then you have corrected me that was not a half of the RN and you call me ( I don’t remember know) because what was obvious for you that the Argie Pilots where professional military personnel.

And of course you where right but my irony was to show the idiot poster that none can sink any military fleet even from Bolivia (irony here because Bolivia have no sea) if has not a proper training.

My remark (Britonwannabe) was for the “US Marine” the “Aglo centric” aka “Rambo on steroids” that wanted to kill me when he would be coming to Argentina.

That was before but now seems he has desisted.
95 Clyde15 (#) Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:21 am Report abuse
#94
This was your post to which I replied.

38 DanyBerger (#)
Mar 30th, 2014 - 11:30 am
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@ ilsen

“Argentina's military are a laughing stock by comparison”

The Argie laughing stock sunk half or your Royal Navy and killed 300 of you “supermen” soldiers.

And just conscripts without training...
96 DanyBerger (#) Apr 02nd, 2014 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
@Clyde15
Ok you reply that post...
But wasn't me who started the stuff about the conscripts

you have post #32 from ilsen for example...

He says “This is achieved without conscription or National Service. ”

Anyway you are not going to reserch all mecopress. are you?
97 Clyde15 (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 11:10 pm Report abuse
#96
Ilsens post as below.
32 ilsen (#)
Mar 30th, 2014 - 07:31 am
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What a lot of nonsense!

The facts are that the British have a fearsome, efficient and globally respected war machine with some of the best trained troops in the world.
This is achieved without conscription or National Service.

Argentina's military are a laughing stock by comparison.

your reply
The Argie laughing stock sunk half or your Royal Navy and killed 300 of you “supermen” soldiers.
And just conscripts without training...

What you ACTUALLY said was that untrained Argentine conscripts sank half the RN's ships and killed 300 of our “supermen”soldiers.

This is blatantly untrue as it was your AIR FORCE that did the damage to British forces.....they were not untrained conscripts .
Would you care to withdraw your untrue remark ?

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