Wednesday, June 11th 2014 - 06:42 UTC

Cristina Fernandez opens Malvinas museum, a living commitment to end colonialism

Argentine President Cristina Fernández had strong words for the UK government, as she headed on Tuesday the inauguration of the Malvinas Museum at the ex-ESMA detention centre, where thousands were illegally held prisoners and tortured during Argentina’s 1976-1983 military dictatorship.

The Argentine president during the official opening of the museum

Malvinas museum

 Addressing a large crowd of officials and ministers, special guests, Malvinas veterans and militants with flags and banners the Argentine president called “to never abandon the Malvinas Islands claim”, although admitting that the 'worst colonization is not military or economic; these can take place only if previously we have been colonized culturally“.

The inauguration of the museum was done on 10 June, which according to the Argentine calendar is Affirmation Day of Argentine rights over the Malvinas, South Georgia, South Sandwich islands and their surrounding maritime areas. On this day in 1829 Argentine history claims the national flag was first flown in the Malvinas.

Further on she accused Great Britain of ”obsolete military colonialism,“ while alleging that colonialism was still alive and well in different forms. “Colonization is not forced territorially or through military means any more, but financially and culturally,” the President underlined.

Cristina Fernandez was also critical of Argentine politics arguing that ”the main hurdles in the construction of a great country have not come from outside. The main problems we have had to build a great nation have emerged here from inside“.

She then went on to praise the attitude of 106 British MPs who supported Argentina's stand against the hedge funds or 'vulture funds'. ”The English are well aware that their country will suffer considerably if the restructuring of the Argentine debt collapses. It is obvious that it is 'game over' for any future restructuring of debts. And I feel great envy of those countries who have such degree of cultural understanding, that they act according to their interests, above political colors“ said the Argentine leader.

The president supported her argument saying that 33% of UK's GDP are financial services, such as debt restructuring; ”London and Wall Street are the world's leading financial centers, how can they let restructuring debts fall through?“

The darts were directed to the congressional opposition some of which turned down the idea of travelling to Washington to lobby before Congress and the White House, the Fed in support of Argentina in its ongoing litigation with hedge funds that has reached the US Supreme Court and next Thursday the magistrates will decide if they take the case or not.

Returning to the Malvinas claim, Cristina Fernandez said that ”this museum is a living commitment to end with the last vestiges of colonialism“, but also underlined that ”sovereignty is built through peace, diplomacy and culture”.

“It's not about war but will take you through the life and history of the Malvinas which we demand UK returns to Argentina; inter-active and in each of its four chapters you will appreciate sensorial experiences, the wind, the sea, the noise of military jets while at the same time honoring our heroes, brave from 1829, 1982 to our days”

And this commitment to eradicate colonialism from “our Malvinas” makes us call on Argentina not to ever abandon this historic battle because we have reason and truth on our side, memory and the willingness to continue moving onwards“.

Accompanied by members of the national cabinet, Cristina Fernández walked through the museum building, which included various memorial spaces like “the room of the fallen”, commemorating the Argentine soldiers who died during the Malvinas War in 1982 with Britain.

During the inaugural tour, Fernández de Kirchner unveiled the Argentine flag used during 'Operation Condor', a civilian operative carried out by Peronist militants who hijacked a commercial Aerolineas Argentinas airplane and landed it on the Malvinas in 1966.

Finally the president thanked the support for the Malvinas claim by “most of the international forums,” and all regional organizations from Mexico to Tierra del Fuego.

A video gives an idea of the size and display of the Malvinas museum with an opening 360 degrees chamber, which recalls the Islands history since 1520 when the first sightings by Magellan's expedition to the current sovereignty claims. A huge window frame, half the building's size which represents the ARA Belgrano battleship in the South Atlantic, torpedoed and sunk by a UK submarine.

A special coordinated room for children with a Zamba special 'guide' that leads them with games on tablets through the Islands flora and fauna. A media archive where with dactyl screens that provides music and videos allegoric to the Malvinas and other South Atlantic islands as well as their geopolitical significance.

Old television sets with news reels of the time which give an idea how the Argentine military during the 1982 war drummed propaganda 'triumphalism'. A place dedicated to the Rattenbach report on the reasons of the military failure and surrender of Argentine forces to the UK Task Force. Letters written by school children to the conscripts during the 1982 conflict.

The front pages of newspapers which state that ”during 2003 the Argentine state demanded sovereignty exercise over the Malvinas”. Biographies of Luis Vernet considered the first Argentine governor of the Malvinas, his family and of the people living at the time in the settlement. The life of journalist and Peronist militant Dardo Cabo who led the 1966 Condor Operation with the Aerolineas Argentina's commercial plane and the several Argentine flags flown at the time. List of books written on the Malvinas and the 1982 conflict.

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1 CJvR (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 07:08 am Report abuse
How nice to erect a monument to your continuous desire to illegally imprison and torment people on a site where you preformed such activities before.
2 CKurze30k (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 07:14 am Report abuse
“It's not about war but will take you through the life and history of the Malvinas which we demand UK returns to Argentina“

Can't return what wasn't yours in the first place.

”And this commitment to eradicate colonialism from “our Malvinas” makes us call on Argentina not to ever abandon this historic battle because we have reason and truth on our side, memory and the willingness to continue moving onwards“.

The truth is that you've *never* owned the Falklands, you've attempted twice to usurp it from the rightful holders of sovereignty.

The truth is that you know this, otherwise you'd take the case to the ICJ instead of continuing to lie to yourselves and your allies.

The truth is quite undisputably *not* on your side.

You need to stop lying.
3 La Patria (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 07:21 am Report abuse
Colonial Spanish / Italian immigrants complaining about colonialism.
Focus on your own country, dear, there is enough there to keep you busy
4 Monkeymagic (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 08:34 am Report abuse
So, the Argentine Flag first flew over the islands in 1829...Good.

The appointed “governor” was Luis Vernet.

So when he left voluntarily in 1n 1831 leaving two Britons in charge...who was governor??

Please dont tell me Vernet, as the Argentines sent Mestevier in 1832 as “governor”..which lends to the assumption that they no longer recognised Vernet.

So, the islands at best had an Argentine “governor” between 1829-1831, although that is debatable as Vernet assured the UK government his interests were commercial not political.

We do accept that Mestevier was an Argentine governor on the islands. What happened to him
5 Anglotino (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 08:37 am Report abuse
Delusions so grand that honestly it is just easier to ignore them all.
6 Usurping Pirate (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 09:00 am Report abuse
Cristina and her attitude to colonialism .
This is a speech given by her at a lunch to promote Argentine -Angolan trade in 2012 .
In it , she presents the Angolan president with a black calf called “ Negrito ” .
K diplomacy at it's very best .
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0sFTxSv6NC4
7 Buzzsaw (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 09:12 am Report abuse
Unfortunately, many Argentinians suffer from emotional incontinence when it comes to the Falklands. Like a pubescent teenager, they see the world as against them and fixate their anger towards irrational and meaningless rhetoric in a search for meaning to their lives and to bolster their fragile ego's.

It is such a shame that a beautiful country, with such plentiful natural resources, has become so fixated with the Falklands. Look inwards, concentrate on your own country, make that better, you are overlooking and squndering what you already have.

As the saying goes...'they can't see the wood for the trees'.
8 Idlehands (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 09:14 am Report abuse
So the Argentine state celebrates a hijacking now too?
9 HansNiesund (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 09:18 am Report abuse
@8

It's hard to think of any other government that would openly celebrate victimhood and criminality in this manner. But it must resonate with the punters, or they wouldn't be doing it.

Next thing you know, they'll be simultaneously demanding “negotiations”, while simultaneously doing everything possible to ensure that no “negotiations” take place.

@6

Hysterical. What indeed can the African victims of colonialism make of the conquistador perpetrators of it seeking to make common cause with them?
10 Clyde15 (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 09:19 am Report abuse
They have their Malvinas in the shape of the museum. Enjoy it...you will appreciate sensorial experiences, the wind, the sea, THE NOISE OF MILITARY JETS !
Peaceful ?
11 Corvus corax (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 09:24 am Report abuse
It's been a while since I last in on here, only to find nothing has changed, all except CFKs mental health which seems to have spiralled further downward. I find it impossible to think of any reason why a flag used by a plane hijacker should be feted in such way.

I wonder if the museum mentions that thing they signed in 1850? Probably not...
12 lsolde (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 09:36 am Report abuse
A museum of the ridiculous.
What a waste of money.
Oh well, Cristina, open a few more ridiculous museums, you'll have even less funds for re-armourment.!
13 reality check (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 09:43 am Report abuse
Next to the Room of the Falllen, is the Room of the Informers, containing a life sized statue of the hero, Alechhhandro BETTS. An eerily life like statue, achieved by sculpting it from the shit.
14 Briton (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 10:03 am Report abuse
All made of plastic,
she is a world fool and laughs at by all.
15 falklandlad (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 10:05 am Report abuse
CFKs had her moment in all of this misrepresentation and untruths. The real truth is visible for all to see in the Falklands, not in some former Argentine torture facility where fantasies are played out by the ignorant and misinformed. The Falklands have a great day to commemorate on Saturday and thats what all Islanders are looking forward to, with utter respect and dignity.
16 Benson (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 10:05 am Report abuse
Shouldn't the headline read “Cristina Fernandez opens Malvinas museum, a living commitment to attempted colonialism”
17 Livingthedream (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 10:05 am Report abuse
Were any of the Islanders invited to the opening? After all their families have been living there for the last 8 generations and are part of the island's history.
18 Briton (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 10:11 am Report abuse
The sooner she goes, the better
19 Islander1 (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 10:44 am Report abuse
Great to learn she is a supporter of Airline Armed Hijacking!!

Very Symbolic Lady to open a museum of their attempts at Colonialism in a building where 35 years ago many innocents were liable to torture and murder.

Sort of sums up modern day Argentina I guess?
20 Escoses Doido (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 10:46 am Report abuse
I case anybody didn't see it when I posted the other day, see below.

The only difference between these two places is the subject matter.
Both are pure fantasy for the fundamentalist believers.

creationmuseum.org
21 CabezaDura2 (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 11:23 am Report abuse
This is just more smoke screen to cover up the Ciccone case & Campagnoli's removal.
22 zathras (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 12:11 pm Report abuse
No mention whatsoever of the Falkland Islanders themselves, however you have to laugh...

“It's not about war but will take you through the life and history of the Malvinas which we demand UK returns to Argentina; inter-active and in each of its four chapters you will appreciate sensorial experiences, the wind, the sea, the noise of military jets while at the same time honoring our heroes, brave from 1829, 1982 to our days”

The military Jet noise will presumably be the sound of a Bristol-Siddeley Olympus 4-engined Jet aircraft followed by twenty-one 1,000 lbs general-purpose bombs exploding on the airfield.
23 ChrisR (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 12:17 pm Report abuse
If she likes to be the centre of attraction she can be the first one hanging off a lamp post when the mob catch up with her and her bunch of thieves.

Surely, some people in Argentina besides CD2 know what is going on?
24 Briton (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 12:40 pm Report abuse
perhaps we could hold the next naval review in the Falkland's,
including the new carriers , F35 , Destroyers , etc..

would be great to see the plastic melt in the midday sun..lol
25 reality check (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 01:12 pm Report abuse
Not really one for ostentatious displays, but if I were, I think that in the middle of these celebrations I would have a SSN flanked by an SSB on each side, surface off Port Stanley and the crews parade on deck in their blues.

Silly I know but damn, that would look good,what a sight!

Now that would give them something to whinge about, visions of telephones ringing in the presidential palaces all over Latam and officials falling over themselves in the dash to the UN, screaming “colonial militarisation of the peaceful South Americas.”

Come to that, thinking on the subject, they should get down on their knees and thank us, because in the last three decades, through no small effort on the part of the Argentines, without the Evil British Colonialists to worry about, they would deffinately be having a pop at each other. (Excluding you know who of course? you know the adult one, what's it called? Oh yeah, CHILE).

Come to that, perhaps we should ask the UN for a rebate, because we have certainly done more to unite them than the UN has ever done!

Damn we are good!

Nah not really! but I could just not resist posting an alternate view on the subject.
26 CaptainSilver (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 01:27 pm Report abuse
Perhaps CFK and Gollum will eventually be stuffed and placed in this museum, examples of Argentina's serial Falklands failure alongside Galtieri, Astiz and all the other despots.

Bagahahaha….
27 Monty69 (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 01:50 pm Report abuse
This is very weird and a bit creepy, but it also works in our favour I think.
How could obliterating Falkland Islanders and their history ever be 'respecting the interests and way of life' of said Islanders?
This is a very graphic illustration of the way that Argentina views us i.e. as nothing. It's public; anyone can go.
So yes, cards on the table. They have shown once and for all what they really think of us. We can reasonably say, and so can the UK government, that this treatment is not in our interests.

Meanwhile, the new museum in Stanley, interpreting the whole of Falklands history, is going to be absolutely fantastic.
28 sunneversets (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 01:50 pm Report abuse
I think it's amazing how this wonderful lady has managed to open a museum and win the eurovision song contest all within a few short weeks.
29 CJvR (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 02:02 pm Report abuse
I noticed that there were some real history on youtube.

Falklands, the islanders war
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj14Up49Gxo
30 axel arg (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
THE HARD CULTURAL REMORA.
I have waited for this moment for too long. Untill last march, i could never dared to go to esma, because i had always thought that it was going to to affect me so much, but three months ago, i dared to go with my partners from movimiento evita, for the aniversary of the last coup d'etat. Now, i can't wait to go to see the musseum.
I am fed up of discussing with most peple here about the historic and the legal aspects of this conflicct, due to in just a few opportunities i could have interesting debates, it's evident that most people here will always continue to believe that only our leaders make partial lectures about the historic facts that refer to this dispute, there is not so much to do when there are such mediocre people who prefer buying the too partial truths of their ex empire.
Cristina didn't say nothing new, it's well known that powerful nations don't need to invade countries anymore, in order to subdue them, in fact, economic and cultural means are enough.
On the other hand, there is something i would like to anlize, which wasn't publishd here. In one moment, she refered to the condor operation. She celebrated that operation, even despite that it's members had violated the law, due to they forced the pillot to change the destination of the flight. However i think that beyond that it was a great reivindication of our rights over the islands, i think that the operation was a big politic mistake, because it's obvious that it's members didn't take into account that the dictatorship of a despisable sepoy like ongania wasn't going to take hard measures against them, or perhaps they didn't care about it.
Anyway, it's expectable that many demogogues here, including all our sepoys, who often love defending the posture of the ex empire, will continue to repeat that the members of that operation were just terrorists. Unfortunately those ignorants make politic lectures, without taking account the contexts of the different moments.
31 Monty69 (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 03:05 pm Report abuse
29 axel arg

This is nonsense.
There is a Falklands culture. It's real and it's been developing over 200 years.
Your government and this laughable excuse for a museum is an exercise in cultural colonialism. You want to obliterate our culture entirely, whilst at the same time promising to respect our interests and way of life.

Oh and every terrorist that ever hijacked a plane, forced it to change direction and held the people on board at gunpoint, thought they were right. Thinking you're right doesn't stop it being terrorism. There is always a 'context'.
32 reality check (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 03:08 pm Report abuse
Thanks for posting that.

I remeber seeing the photograph of the Royal Marines lying on the floor outnumbered ten too one, that one photo was worth a Brigade!

I was seving in the RAF in Germany at the time.

That really, really, really pissed me off and if it pissed me off, imagine what it did to a Marine or Soldier, real warriors!

I remember thinking, stupid cunts! they do not know what the fuck they have got themselves into, fucking with the Marines.

I also remember thinking and the invasion was only a day old! that the Marines will be going back and those stupid cunts won't know what the fuck hit them (again language of the time).

As it turned out, I was right, my only regret is that 255 of our men and 3 Islanders had to die to make it so.

32 years later, as a civilian, I still find it incredulous to believe they could have been so stupid.

Did they honestly think that they were going to invade, fire on UK forces (none of this shit about not inteding to inflict casualties) that we were not going to fight back!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well they learned the hard way. Hence the C24, Mercosur, OAS, Museums, book, ficticious declarations of support etc, etc, etc, etc.

Not a snow balls chance in hell of them ever taking over the islands again!

They are not big enough, not ugly enough, and they sure are not clever enough!
33 Clyde15 (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
#29
Well AXEL,at least we know which version of the history You support.
Hi-jacking aircraft.....seems to fit the Argie psycho for grand gestures meaning nada.

I presume that you will be volunteering to act as a guide to emphasise the despicable way the British have been twisting the Holy story of the Falklands. How a poor undeveloped country was cheated out of it's birthright to acquire and control the whole of S.America, sub Antarctic Islands and Antarctica.
You could also sell copies of Timerman's Fairy Stories.

Enjoy your visit but spare us any detailed account.
34 axel arg (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
Sorry, i typed the wrong words, what i wanted to say was that the members of the condor operation, didn't take into account that ongania's dictatorship was going to take hard measures against them.

MONTY69: We won't never agree on our opinions about that fact, because it's evident that neather you, nor most your people won't never accept that the place were you were born and grew up, doesn't belong to you only, it's also our's, in the same way that all the rest of argentina belongs to the islanders.
On the other hand, i repeat that before making politic lectures of a fact, you have to take into account the context, STUDY, otherwise, you and most people here will continue to make the usuall ignorant lectures.
Beside, don't be so hypocrite, you know that at the same time that your lawmakers criticise the lack of dialogue between them and c. f. k's government, they have always manifested that they are disposed to discuss about many issues with our authorities, but not about the sovereignty, which is the main problem. If argentina really wanted to subdue you and your people, it wouldn't accept not even a shared sovereignty, in fact, the president was very clear in different opportunities about what arg. pretends. We have never asked to renounce to your british nationality, or to accept our sovereignty only. In fact, two years ago, c. f. k read before the u. n., a secret proposal treated between arg. and the u k. in 1974, which was based on a shared sovereignty. That proposal took into account not only our rights over the islands, it also respected the wishes of the islanders of remaining under british government. What arg. has proposed since 1983, isn't much different from that proposal. I don't know what kind of submission is that.
35 gordo1 (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 03:34 pm Report abuse
“Biographies of Luis Vernet considered the first Argentine governor of the Malvinas, his family and of the people living at the time in the settlement.”
The truth is, of course, that Vernet was never a an Argentine citizen and before setting up his business enterprises in the archipelago he sought and obtained approval from the British Consul in Buenos Aires.
The illegal Argentina garrison in the Falkland Islands, which triggered the events of 1833, was principally the cause of the failure of his business and he turned up in London in 1840s claiming recompense from the British Government. This was paid but much less than he believed was his right.
36 F0rgetit87 (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
“Old television sets with news reels of the time which give an idea how the Argentine military during the 1982 war....”

The same sets are still in use!
37 Islander1 (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 03:45 pm Report abuse
Axel- do please read up on what your Foreign Minister sad yesterday about Argentina,s inalienable rights to the Islands?
Seems pretty clear that there could be only one outscome to any such talks:

Full 100% Argentine Sovereignty of the Islands.

That means automatically that you may indeed allow us to keep our nationality - but we would at the end of the day have to answer to the Argentine Govt who would have ultimate control over our homeland against our wishes - because you would be deciding what was best for our alleged “interests”.

Suggest you look up “colonialism”.
38 gordo1 (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 03:50 pm Report abuse
“A huge window frame, half the building's size which represents the ARA Belgrano battleship in the South Atlantic, torpedoed and sunk by a UK submarine.”

Is this an attempt to deceive and thus perpetuate another myth? The sinking of the ARA Belgrano was a legal act of war viz History Learning Centre:-

Questions were asked about the legitimacy of the attack especially as the Belgrano was outside of the Exclusion Zone. The British government maintained that the Belgrano still represented a threat to the Task Force and in this they were, to an extent, supported by the Belgrano’s captain. Hector Bonzo later made the point that though the Belgrano was sailing away from the Exclusion Zone, it was not sailing to its port in Ushuaia in Tierra del Fuego, It was simply moving to another unspecified position to await further orders – that could have included attacking the Task Force. The naval commander of the Task Force, Admiral Sandy Woodward, made the point that the Belgrano and its escorts were more than capable of turning about at speed and thus returning to a course towards the Task Force.

Also on April 23rd, the Argentine government was handed a message from the British government (via the Swiss Embassy) that it held the right to take whatever action was required to defend itself if any Argentine “warship, including submarines, naval auxiliaries or military aircraft” seemed to threaten the naval Task Force. Clearly as the Belgrano was considered to be a threat, it was attacked and sunk. After the war, Argentinean Rear- Admiral Allara admitted that the whole of the South Atlantic became an operational theatre during the conflict and that the Belgrano was a casualty of war.
39 reality check (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 03:55 pm Report abuse
WGAF about what happened 180 years ago.

This is the modern world, with modern ethics, with modern poeple try to improve, not regress!

Nine generations of Islanders have lived on this land.

Does anybody,outside of Latin America or inside for that matter, seriously, seriously believe, given the the turmoil of the last century and the founding of the UN.

That anybody, anybody, with a sense of history and justice, is going to allow an entire population of a country to be taken over, outside of war! against their will?

Got news for you, it aint going to happen, not peacefully that is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
40 CaptainSilver (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 03:58 pm Report abuse
Axel, you will die with your Malvinus dream unfulfilled, as will you great great great grandchildren. There is no chance of any discussions on sovereignty ever…. Period! Your nation is on the verge of demotion from the second world to the third world. I suggest you occupy your small brain with that. You certainly put that museum in the right place, tyrany and Argentinian colonialism side by side!

Anyway, CFKs museum has given me an idea, how about a museum of Fairy Stories, it slots right in alongside Gollums book!
41 gordo1 (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 03:59 pm Report abuse
“Finally the president thanked the support for the Malvinas claim by “most of the international forums,” and all regional organizations from Mexico to Tierra del Fuego.”

So why doesn't she take her case to the International Court of Justice? This is the only forum which could take a LEGAL view of the nonsensical claim.
42 Welsh Wizard (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 03:59 pm Report abuse
Guys can some tell me urgently how many US$ argentinean nationals can take out of the country? Thanks!
43 reality check (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 04:28 pm Report abuse
Sorry cyfaill, can not help.

No idea, are you not in a position to ascertain that through your own sources?

I rather suspect that Yankeeboy will know the answer though, he may appear on this forum at some time today.
44 Think (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 05:32 pm Report abuse
(42) Welsh Wizard

Over 16 years of age, a maximum of 10,000 US$ per person.
Under 16 years of age, a maximum of 5,000 US$ per person.

www.afip.gob.ar/genericos/novedades/NuevoSistemaEgresoValores.asp
45 Briton (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 06:01 pm Report abuse
AXEL ARG,

why not comment on pre-history as this seems more your expertise..
46 golfcronie (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
@34
the terrorists didn't think there would be strong measures against them, pretty dumb Argies if you ask me. Do you lot not think of the consequences BEFORE an act of terrorism or just do things on the spur of the moment. Don't answer that as we 1st world countries know the answer.
47 Briton (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
www.gov.uk/government/news/111-million-of-work-buoys-uks-boat-support-industry?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter.
48 woodgreener (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
I see whining CFK and Argentina have unleashed a spectacular display of Sour Grapes. A museum of Vinegar?

I don't speak or understand Spanish so I had to do a Google translation of “LAS MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS” and the translation in English and presumably every other language in the world is “Argentine Vineyards are Poorly” or “Argentine Vineyards are bad”.
What I don't understand is why their is a museum to the fact that Argentina's vines/vineyards/wines are not nice. Have they been poisoned, diseased, rotten?

Also, I did a translation of malbec (bec mal).. In French... it means “Spout Evil”. I suppose as Spanish and French are both Romance languages it means the same in vulgar Argentine Spanish.

Says a lot about Argentina.

Cheers.
49 Briton (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
HERE SHE IS IN ALL HER GLORY
HMS-Elizabeth

We're glad you like our CGI images, but the real thing is even better. Here's HMS Queen Elizabeth now
twitter.com/QEClassCarriers/status/476752309628960768/photo/1

Video tour of HMS Queen Elizabeth
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeSfv1uiQMU&feature=youtu.be
,,
Did you know our military uses over 1,400 boats of all kinds.
Six UK companies will benefit from a 5-year contract that will involve support for 1,450 boats used by the Royal Navy, Royal Marines, British Army, and the Ministry of Defence (MOD) Police
www.gov.uk/government/news/111-million-of-work-buoys-uks-boat-support-industry?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
,,,
CFK- eat Ya heart out..lol
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50 Ant (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
49 comments! in short time
MercoPress and his band are nervous.
Go to mourn the Queen!
tic tac is only a matter of time: Falkland No; “Malvinas” if
51 Conqueror (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
@30 Hello, ignorant dummy. Love your titling. Do you know what a remora is? It's a parasite. Much like argieland. Here's a little “lecture” on legal principles. “Uti possidetis”. The principle, confirmed by the ICJ, that, at the end of an armed conflict, territory belongs to the party in possession. Wasn't the UK in possession of the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands when argieland surrendered on 14 June 1982? Want to think that over? Small query. Where's “ongania”? Incidentally, the ICJ ruling on “uti possidetis” was made in 1986. Lovely bit of context.
@34 WE don't deny the past. Why do you? In the 70s there were discussions about shared sovereignty. Sometimes the Foreign and Commonwealth Office have neither a clue nor any guts. On the other hand, your dummies tie themselves in knots trying to justify everything they've ever said or done.

Do enjoy the museum. I'm sure its links with ESMA will make it particularly poignant. Since you're so good at history I'm sure you'll recall that Hitler and his nazis used to create such “memorials”. Here's a fun, contextual and historical thought. In 1945 we destroyed nazi Germany. Wouldn't it be good if, 70 years later, 2015 is the year we destroy nazi argieland? You know we can do it, don't you? Perhaps it's a moment to sit down quietly and consider your limited future. Before you come out with any more of your drooling drivel.
52 Joe Bloggs (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
50 Ant

What?
53 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 08:14 pm Report abuse
Cristina Fernandez said that ”this museum is a living commitment to end with the last vestiges of colonialism“

Hey Joe!! Can you believe this s**t?

I wonder if anyone ( except axel ) believes anything that woman says...... I wonder if SHE believes anything she says.

Have a safe and dignified commemoration on 14th June won't you?

It's got to be better way of marking the occasion than opening a museum or publishing a book.
54 Steve-34-uk (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
Latest FI related news...

'The names of the fallen soldiers in the Falklands ~ ...the government's response was swift: Daniel Filmus, Secretary Relating to the Falkland Islands Affairs, said: “Swire is unknown how this procedure or lying” . He argued that this is a humanitarian event is coordinated by the International Red Cross and not directly between Argentina and the United Kingdom.
Filmus said that in recent weeks was the International Red Cross in Buenos Aires with the staff of the Ministries of Justice and Social Development, which is in contact with the families of the fallen in Malvinas to manage authorizations and collect DNA samples. In turn, reiterated that “the only way for London to advance this issue is through the Red Cross...”
www.argnoticias.com/politica/item/11355-inglaterra-acept%C3%B3-identificar-a-los-123-soldados-nn-de-malvinas

'The most popular Brazilian magazine speaks of the “follies” of Cristina and compares Stalin - Veja, the largest circulation weekly in Brazil, criticizes “the restriction of the dollar, historical revisionism, the fight with the press and long speeches” of the president of Argentina. ~ ...The fight with the press, lengthy speeches at inopportune times, manipulation of statistics and obsession Malvinas are part of a long list about what the graph means the neighboring country described as “madness” of the President...'
www.cronista.com/economiapolitica/La-revista-mas-popular-de-Brasil-habla-de-las-locuras-de-Cristina-y-la-compara-con-Stalin-20140611-0124.html
55 Islander1 (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 08:34 pm Report abuse
54- Just shows the Fantasy world Argentina lives in! You use organisations like the Int Red Cross when you are at war with each other as the intermediary. 32 yrs ago this Saturday since the last shots were fired so about time CFK realised that and found out she can actually talk direct to those concerned!
That Filmus fella must have a headfull of mush.
56 Pete Bog (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 08:47 pm Report abuse
“On this day in 1829 Argentine history claims the national flag was first flown in the Malvinas.”

Predated by the fact the Union Jack was first flown there in 1765.

The Argentines regard that a plaque of possession left in 1774 was not relevant yet a flag flown in 1829 trumps that and 180 (189?) years of flying the Union Jack doesn't count?

“ The main problems we have had to build a great nation have emerged here from inside“.

Crikey-Argentine honesty-but you are the president CFK and you are one of the problems inside-splinter of wood/plank in eye?

” because we have reason and truth on our side, memory and the willingness to continue moving onwards“.

Yet you can't even reference history properly-reason and truth-of liars and criminals.

“ while alleging that colonialism was still alive and well in different forms. “

Another amazing admission that Argentina espouses colonialism.

” will take you through the life and history of the Malvinas (Falkland Islands?)which“

That is without mentioning anything that actually happened there.

@30 Axel ” repeat that the members of that operation were just terrorists”

Yes Axel we have noticed that many Argentine' heroes' were criminals-Antonio Rivero and his gang=murderers

Mestivier was not a murderer but was murdered-err why would your fabled governor be murdered then?-Ahh I know, Argentine murderers like Astiz, Mestevier's murderers ,Galteiri, the 1966 hijackers, Rivero weren't criminals right? Because that is normal accepted behaviour in Argentina where crime pays.

@48 woodgreener

Exactly-ironic that an assumed meaning Sour Grapes, perfectly replicates Argentina's attitude to the Falkland Islands.

Even your mate Jewitt ended up fighting against the UPs in the Brazilian Navy-in some countries he would be a traitor-not in Argentina though?
57 ilsen (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
The whole charade is utterly ridiculous, laughable in fact.

To think where they sited this false 'museum' is also quite sick, considering the fact that many of the families of some of the innocent, ignorant CONSCRIPTS sent to die, some of their families were tortured by their own countrymen, is beyond ironic.

It is simply sick.

If I was Argentine I would take to the streets in rebellion.

Have they ever known a State Apparatus that was NOT corrupt or harmful to the general populace?

Ever?
58 Monkeymagic (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
Axel Arg

I see you are still a sepoy with your too partial lectures.

Please tell me...

How did Argentina inherit the islands from Spain, when not a single solitary islander became Argentine. They all became Uruguayan or remained Spainsh, and all left the islands in 1811.

If Vernet was recognised as Argentine governor in 1829, why did they send another in 1832? When did Vernet stop being governor? Who was in charge then?

How many people were “evicted” in 1833?

What was the longest any of the evicted had ever spent on the islands?

When you honestly, truthfully and fully study those points, you will see your lectures are too partial, and you have blinded yourself with only what you have wanted to see.

The Falklands have never been Argentine, and 180 years of perminant and peaceful settlement means they belong to the people who live there.
59 lsolde (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 09:56 pm Report abuse
@30 & 34 Axel Arg,
You put a lot of effort & thought into what you wrote, Axel.
Unfortunately your efforts were wasted because your whole argument rests on the supposition that Argentina has “rights” in the Falklands, ha ha.
l'm not sorry to rain on your parade, Axel, but Argentina has NO RIGHTS in the Falklands. NO RIGHTS AT ALL.
You are obviously confused, Axel.
Let me repeat myself, Axel.
Argentina has NO RIGHTS in the Falklands.
l know that you didn't know this & l hope l've cleared it up for you.
60 redp0ll (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 09:57 pm Report abuse
Las Malvinas son Uruguayos by history if you want, but I think we are quite prepared to let the Falklanders decide their own future
61 Welsh Wizard (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
Cheers Think!
62 ilsen (#) Jun 11th, 2014 - 11:12 pm Report abuse
The Argentines have no 'rights' regarding The Falkland Islands.

Silly, deluded fools.

Wasting all their energies on this.

Bhaaahahaha!
63 woodgreener (#) Jun 12th, 2014 - 12:24 am Report abuse
The Falkland Islands have NEVER been Argentinian. Never! Everybody in the world outside the CFK government knows that. I have been to Chile a few times and even the Chileans I have come across know that, and they are laughing at the infantile behaviour of the illogical Argentinians.

Argentina tried to steal something that never was theirs and started a war.

Argentina is responsible for the loss of nearly 1000 lives.

Argentina surrendered on the 20th June 1982.

The humiliation - a nation of 40 million beaten by the Falkland Islanders - a population of around 3000!

It is about time Argentina started paying War Reparations to the Falkland Islanders and to the Government of the Falkland Islands. How much should Argentina pay?

The museum of SOUR GRAPES. Mal =(bad) Sour - vinas = (vines) Grapes. Malvinas = SOUR GRAPES! Google translation.

I say to Argentina - Stop the whinging and start paying War Reparations!
64 CaptainSilver (#) Jun 12th, 2014 - 08:57 am Report abuse
Malvinas museum and book… Mal Vinas - Sour Grapes!

Bahahahahahahahaha !!!!

Losers, with a country run by a load of corrupt nutjobs and a so called Ambassador that spits in the face of her hosts.

Argentina is a joke, I pity tbe many decent people that live there.
65 lsolde (#) Jun 12th, 2014 - 09:20 am Report abuse
Yes, Argentina could be such a rich prosperous & happy nation.
Sad
66 Brit Bob (#) Jun 12th, 2014 - 09:28 am Report abuse
They have no sovereignty claim so they just paint everything blue and just pretend. Pure Narnia. CFK and the comedy club in BA have been threatening to take legal action in the international courts against Falkland oil companies since 2010 but nothing is happening because they have no case. Lol
67 Room101 (#) Jun 12th, 2014 - 10:16 am Report abuse
She could “end colonialism” in her little world by simply recognising the right to self-determination.
68 golfcronie (#) Jun 12th, 2014 - 10:47 am Report abuse
She really needs to meet a man with a huge member, and No I am not applying for the job.
69 Martin Woodhead (#) Jun 12th, 2014 - 11:28 am Report abuse
@34 that foreign office plan fell because the islanders found out about it.
Your actions in 1982 buried any ideas like that.
The falklands are British until the islanders change their minds and unlike you we can back up decisions with not only the truth but overwhelming force.
70 Briton (#) Jun 12th, 2014 - 05:41 pm Report abuse
CFK will still be crying in her pram long after Argentina ceases to exist.
never has a greedy incompetent self indulging county ever deserved to be broken up like Argentina,

this may well be the only thing that can save this once good country.
71 Steve-34-uk (#) Jun 12th, 2014 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
Latest FI related articles...

'Congress of Nicaragua celebrates act of solidarity with Argentina over Falkland Islands ~ ...Eduardo Martinez, called on the world to support Argentina in its 'sovereign' claim over the Falkland Islands.
He said the cause of the Malvinas Islands has made itself all Latin Americans, as a symbolic about the meaning of colonialism...'
spanish.china.org.cn/international/txt/2014-06/12/content_32640320.htm

'REVIEWING HISTORY Malvinas: from the Spanish colony until the May Revolution - Few data have about the colony that existed in the Falklands between 1767 and 1811, ie from the time when Bougainville, following orders from the French Foreign Ministry, returned installations Port Louis to the Spanish until the time that produced the Revolution May, the governor of Montevideo Gaspar de Vigodet, the foundation decided to lift the assumption that it was unable to defend it. In that period we know from Buenos Aires were sent 19 governors, although several of them were in the islands more than once to be counted at 32 periods...'
www.eldiariodelfindelmundo.com/noticias/leer/54486/malvinas-desde-la-colonia-espa-ola-hasta-la-revoluci-n-de-mayo.html

'Argentina will provide powder and IA-63 offers tickets for the Armed Forces - The defense minister, Bernardino Soto Estigarribia, and his Argentine counterpart, Oscar Rossi, yesterday signed a declaration in which the government of Cristina Fernández opens possibility to provide powders War Materials Management ~ ...Both ministers also opened possibility of joint construction in the Navy arsenal naval means for the Navy. Paraguay supported the idea that Argentina and the United Kingdom to resume dialogue in order to find a solution to the sovereignty dispute over the Falkland Islands...'
www.ultimahora.com/argentina-proveera-polvora-y-ofrece-avion-ia-63-las-ffaa-n802717.html
72 Cognitio (#) Jun 12th, 2014 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
”this museum is a living commitment to end with the last vestiges of colonialism“
Sigh...
So according to Wikipedia Colonialism is “the establishment, exploitation, maintenance, acquisition, and expansion of colonies in one territory by people from another territory. It is a set of unequal relationships between the colonial power and the colony and often between the colonists and the indigenous population.”

But according to Argentina it isn't colonialism when Latins in Argentina attempts to seize the Falklands against the wishes of its Non Latin inhabitants.
And its not colonialism when Argentina make claims on territories such as South Georgia or The South Sandwich islands which have never had any connection ever to Argentina.
So my Argentinian chums does that make you racists or hypocrits or both?
...and another thing stop calling your “whorehouse full of lies and untruths” a museum because it bloody annoys me. Museums are places which preserve and represent historical truths. This is not such a place. This is the polar opposite of such a place and should be treated by everyone with utter contempt and derision. Museum ...my arse! Bloody Disneyland for Fascists more like!
73 Corvus corax (#) Jun 12th, 2014 - 07:23 pm Report abuse
I do wonder if they put in the history that the UK seemed to be the first ones who actually checked the place out and take an interest, who after the french and spanish came and went were the first to actually get a long lasting community established without the breakout of anarchy via rape and murder, and that now well quoted documentfrom 1850 establishing a Perfect Peace (ie no qualms with each other at all) between the UK and the Nation destined to become Argentina? Did they include this?

Does it include photos and memories of the 'Liberated People of Islas Malvinas' that had soldiers shitting in places that just smacked of contempt, of a disorganized chain of command that had some of the worst kind of officer (because many legged it before fighting in the battles they expected their men to fight). Does it bleat repeatedly about the fact that the British killed 3 civilians with a stray shell? Does it mention their names and commemorate them too?

I do hope it mentions that your freedom to at least be free from the Junta came about because of the events of 1982. In fact, I hope it explains just how those who instigated the invasion plans made their moves, because it cost nearly a 1,000 lives of those who were affected by their badly executed plan.
74 Monkeymagic (#) Jun 12th, 2014 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
I love the fact that they don't care they are lying, and imbeciles like Axel Arg, who study (sic) their lies, just swallow them whole.

Apparently Luis Vernet was the first Argentine governor...even though he was German and never the Governor.

Luis Vernet left the islands voluntarily in 1831, leaving two Britons in charge...hardly the act of an Argentine governor.

One of those Britons left in charge by Luis Vernet was murdered by Gaocho Rivero in an act celebrated in Argentina as an act against British rule.

Vernet later sought compensation from Britain for his losses due to the Lexington raid in 1831, as he recognised British sovereignty.

Argentina sent a new governor in 1832 (eighteen months after Vernet left). Did they no longer recognise Vernet? Was Vernet sacked? Was Vernet never really Governor?

The new governor Mestevier was on the islands for less than a month before he was murdered by his own crew, butchered, and his wife raped. Who was Governor next?

It's all fantasy, bullshit and make believe...and the brainwashed lap it up!

Argentina tried to develop the necessary civilian population between 1829-1832 to satisfy sovereignty.

The Vernet community wasnt really an Argentine civilian population (it was a multi-nationality business venture) which by 1832 had all but failed, and was left under the stewardship of a couple of Brita.

The crew of the SS Sarandi werent an Argentine population either...it was a military ship, who'd mutineed and only been on the islands 6 weeks.

It's pathetic...absolutely pathetic.

The England team should hold up banners saying Hogwarts is real, and David Cameron should visit a Quidditch museum...

It's just as honest and nothing like as weird.
75 yankeeboy (#) Jun 12th, 2014 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
It's a whole country plagued by Arrested Development.
You should have seen the dregs ( RG Pols) that were just here in the USA.
Sheesh I hope that wasn't their A team.
76 José Malvinero (#) Jun 12th, 2014 - 10:30 pm Report abuse
June 12: destroying pirate ships by launching Exocet from land Argentina. Pirate Ship Glamorgan, out cold:

malvinasislasargentinas.blogspot.com.ar/2014/06/tiro-berreta-ataque-al-buque-britanico.html
77 Escoses Doido (#) Jun 13th, 2014 - 05:59 am Report abuse
@76,
An Exocet your people purchased from the French .
They even had French there in your country to show your retarded comrades how to operate them properly.

HMS Glamorgan was hit. So fucjing what?

Menendez, got his arse handed to him on a plate, by the British Army.
He signed a great big surrender document.

Get that fact up ye!
78 gordo1 (#) Jun 13th, 2014 - 06:28 am Report abuse
@76 José Malvinero

What on earth are you on about?

Recuerdo muy bien los eventos de 1982 - el ejercito argentino tuvo que retirarse del archipélago con “los rabos entre las piernas”. Y ¿Usted celebra que?

You silly man!
79 lsolde (#) Jun 13th, 2014 - 09:08 am Report abuse
@76 José Mal-de-mer,
You're an idiot, Joe.
And we still have the Falklands & you do not.
Ha ha ha
80 Clyde15 (#) Jun 13th, 2014 - 09:16 am Report abuse
#76
And no matter how you put it, you still got well and truly stuffed !
81 Pete Bog (#) Jun 13th, 2014 - 09:25 am Report abuse
@76
“destroying pirate ships”

Yes, HMS Conqueror sunk your pirate ship Belgrano so Blackbeard and his mates went running for Argentina.

You are lucky that Margaret Thatcher refused permission to sink 25th de Mayo, but we notice that pirate ship ran away too.
82 Briton (#) Jun 13th, 2014 - 10:35 am Report abuse
@76, your time is up..lol

QEClass Carriers
We've got 21 days to go
twitter.com/QEClassCarriers/status/477369472752558080/photo/1
looks great.
83 Monkeymagic (#) Jun 13th, 2014 - 10:51 am Report abuse
Axel Arg

You decry the fact that you cannot have valuable debate on these forums. There is a simple reason for this, you are unwilling to learn, you are unwilling to challenge your “truths”, and you are unwilling to accept the painfully obvious.

I am sorry to say, you must be a god-awful teacher with such a closed mind.

I would suggest that it is YOU who should be doing further study so that you cease to be a “sepoy” with your “too partial” lectures.

Challenge the following:

1) Why was Argentina the successor state of Spain, says who?, who says the international community accepted that, why wasn't Uruguay or Paraguay? How can you be the successor state for territories 1000Km away?

2) When has there ever been an Argentine population on the islands.

Was the Spanish population Argentine (they showed no evidence to support this, and indeed their actions totally refute this).

Was the Vernet community Argentine. Clearly Vernet accepted a title in 1829, but why did he leave two Britons in charge, why did he tell the British his interests were purely commercial, why did Argentina ignore his title when they sent the Sarandi?

Was the crew of the Sarandi an Argentine population? The chap with the title was murdered, and many were not Argentine. In that you government deny the Falklanders any rights after 180 years, 6 weeks is stretching it a bit

3) If 1 and 2 are flawed as heavily as they appear to be then Britains actions in 1833 appear to fine in the CONTEXT of the period. Note the word context Ael, one you appear to misunderstand.

The islands were empty in 1811, historically both Spain and the UK had a claim (not Argentina). Argentina failed to establish a working civilian population. When they finally tried, in November 1832, Britain peacefully removed them and reestablished its claim.

Until you can get any of this into your study Axel..you are doomed to appear totally brainwashed
84 Usurping Pirate (#) Jun 13th, 2014 - 01:50 pm Report abuse
I think the old witch is trying to prepare the people for imminent defeat in the football by ramping up the Malvinas diversion .
A lot of Argentina's grain belt is under water at the moment , so the soy harvest , as well as the maize one, could fail .
Reduced earnings to pay for Jose Malvineros handouts .... Ouch !!
85 Briton (#) Jun 13th, 2014 - 05:36 pm Report abuse
Of course Argentina will lose at football,
they are far to occupied with these Malvinas thingy to win football,
still,
it will give them something to blame us for..
86 Islander1 (#) Jun 13th, 2014 - 08:35 pm Report abuse
76- Jose- You get even more of an arse every day! Yes an Exocet missile hit HMS Glamorgan on 12th June- went to the commemoration service at her memorial 5 mins drive from Stanley yesterday. It killed 14 of her crew and took out the helicopter and damaged her - BUT - within 24hrs her captain reported her back on line ready for active service again - she did not sink! Indeed she was decommissioned and sold to the Chilean Navy in 1993.A few years ago they decommissioned her and she sank under tow to the breakers yard - scuttled by her crew who felt that she was a famous old ship,sailed the 7 oceans and took part in a battle against a country Chile is not overly in love with either! - so she rests now at the bottom of the sea in peace - rather than as razor blades.
87 Falkland Islands (#) Jun 13th, 2014 - 11:28 pm Report abuse
76 José Malvinero Just shows what a sick twisted heap of shit you are, excited 30 years later about killing people, Shame on you. The thing is come here to the british Falkland Islands talk to me face to face instead of hiding behind a monitor, you scummy heap of crap.
88 Optical (#) Jun 13th, 2014 - 11:32 pm Report abuse
@76,
How did that conflict end for you again? Who holds the Falklands?
89 Joe Bloggs (#) Jun 13th, 2014 - 11:44 pm Report abuse
76 Jose

Tonight 32 years the last of the Argentine troops were just about to start or already were legging it down from their defensive positions and running into Stanley for their lives. They started it but they couldn't finish it. I don't blame the soldiers; they were just doing what they were told but your leaders needed shooting.
90 gordo1 (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 05:40 am Report abuse
@ 76 Jose Malvinero

DO YOU GET THE MESSAGE? YES AND I AM SHOUTING!
91 MagnusMaster (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
@91 he won't get the message. It's not that he doesn't hear you, it's that he doesn't care what you say. Nobody in Argentina does.
92 ChrisR (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
@ 91 MagnusMaster

Why are you talking to yourself?
93 ilsen (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 09:11 pm Report abuse
This was permanently resolved in 1982. Some people just need to get over it and move on.
94 Vernya (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
Bit ripe speaking of colonialism isn't it. In the first place there has to be an indigenous population to colonise. There was no such population on the Falklands, the Argentieans sought permission to land and set up a port on the Falklands, that did not transfer soverengnty to the Argentine, they were there as guests. When the subsequently raised their own flag the British shoved them off as having abused the invitation.
Secondly, we have the case of the Amerindians. They were the indigenous population of the Argentine. Regrettably the present Argentinean nation stole the land from the Amerindians , and took it for their own, This makes the Argentine a colonist of the worse possible type !
95 kbec (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 02:29 am Report abuse
Headline should read “Cristina Fernandez opens Malvinas museum, a living commitment to colonise.”
96 King of the North (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 10:42 pm Report abuse
It's funny how the Brits in here just rage and resort to threats and name calling. Regardless of history, look at a map. The Malvinas (yeah I said it!) should belong to Argentina. It's as plain as day. Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, the Argentinians don't like you so close to their borders, watching, listening, more than likely manipulating their economy and government trying as hard as possible to keep them down. History proves time and again what the Empire is are really after. BTW, I am of British descent as well, but I am not going to fool myself nor disregard the Empire's real motivatons. To the islanders, it would be ridiculous for you to be treated poorly should Argentina take over. They are not as stupid and barbaric as your overseers may have you believe. I would wager that a special excepetion be made for your sovereignity issues. If not, many of you obviously love England a great deal, why not return? It seem to me that many of you prefer the company of “your own kind”, no?
97 HansNiesund (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 02:19 am Report abuse
@96

Which Empire would that be, exactly?
98 Terence Hill (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 03:42 am Report abuse
96 King of the North
Your just another indoctrinated and muddleheaded thinker since the ICJ specifically rejects your viewpoint.

International law's view of claims based on proximity

Under the Palmas decision, three important rules for resolving island territorial disputes were decided:
Firstly, title based on contiguity has no standing in international law.

The Falklands/Malvinas Case Breaking the Deadlock in the Anglo-Argentine...
By Roberto C. Laver

p.74

International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the North Sea continental shelf cases, in which Denmark and the Netherlands based their claim inter alia on the doctrine of proximity, i.e., that the part of the continental shelf closest to the part of the state in question falls automatically under that state's jurisdiction. In these cases the ICJ rejected any contiguity type of approach. As for continuity, it is argued, the 1958 Geneva Convention on the Continental Shelf and Contiguous Zone, Article 1, now contained in the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention, Article 76, does not support the view that coastal states have sovereignty over islands above the continental shelf. On the contary it laid down doctrine that islands had their own “continental shelves,”
99 Anglotino (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 05:13 am Report abuse
I love King of the North's approach.

As Australia is the largest country in the region and surrounded by islands we can therefore lay claim to New Zealand, Timor Leste and Papua New Guinea. Could also stretch that out to Solomon Islands, New Caledonia and Vanuatu.

Oh and don't forget the 18,307 islands of Indonesia. We might have to fight Malaysia for the right to Singapore.

If any of the new citizens are unhappy about it then they can go back to where they come from. That might mean uprooting cultures that have existed for several thousand years, however that is their fault for being mere islands near a continent.
100 ilsen (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 07:48 am Report abuse
So exactly what are these 'motivations' of this 'Empire' of which you speak oh King of the North?
101 lsolde (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 07:48 am Report abuse
The King of the North,
either:-
1) An uneducated, mis-informed ignorant Brit,
2) A traitorous, left-wing, tree-hugging, hate-his-own-country, appeaser,
3) An Anti-British creature
4) An Argentine
5)A Troll.
Consequently l don't give a rat's ass/arse for him/her/it & its ridiculous opinions.
102 Clyde15 (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 10:32 am Report abuse
#96
I would wager that a special excepetion be made for your sovereignity issues.
You may, but why should the Falklanders take the risk. Over the years Argentina has shown itself to be a rather unstable country.
They could agree anything to get their hands on the place...everything fine for a few years...a new government then a change of policy. Flood the place with mainland Argentinians, hold a vote on total integration with the mainland, compulsory Spanish and if you don't like it....tough !

You are of British descent ..so what ? You obviously don't live here and have taken on the policies and prejudices of the country your immigrant parents chose to adopt.
103 Halcyon23 (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 10:39 am Report abuse
Is It like Eurodisney.... Is Donald Duck there? Next time I'm in Argentina I'll take the kids, they'll love it. Hopefully they do candy floss too... Yippee.
104 ilsen (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 12:07 pm Report abuse
I agree with Isolde.
It's all a bit too obviously a set up.
Nice try Kingly!
105 Pete Bog (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
@96 King of the North
“Regardless of history, look at a map.”

So Cuba belongs to the USA?
The Faroes belong to the UK?
Sri Lanka belongs to India?
Greenland belongs to Canada?
Jersey belongs to France?
Japan belongs to North Korea?
Ascension Island belongs to Brazil?
Ceuta belongs to Morocco?
Malta belongs to Libya?
Malaysia belongs to Australia?

Using your theory sort that little lot out then.

Look at the map.
106 Vernya (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 06:00 pm Report abuse
First, the Falkland Islands were first discovered by the British, in 1690, they were uninhabited. The Argentina, as a defined country, did not exist until 1826. Attempts were made by both the French and the Spanish to colonise the islands, but they did not succeed, and the islands returned to British rule. In 1826 the Argentine sought permission of the British to set up a port on the Falkland Islands, and they were given permission to do so. Subsequently the Argentineans on the Falklands raised their own flag there and appointed a govenor . Since they were only there as guests of the British, the British rightly took exception being tricked and turfed the Argentineans off of the Islands.
The ~United Nations International Law Of The Sea, did not come into being until the late 1900s . It is not retrospective , therefore, the Falkland Islands have never fallen into the orbit of their continental shelf, because such a law did not exist . Thus, the Argentine has never owned the Falklands and has had an indigenous population on the Falklands, except by permission and an abortive attempt to take them by force. No international law would ever support their claim........ I see now that China are now supporting the Argentine and I suspect that their support would come with a price . Namely a Chinese naval base on the Falklands...The reason for this is that the Atlantic is very strategic as far as the split between East and West is concerned. From the Falklands China could control the seas into the Pacific from the Westabout route. one suspects that Madagascar, or Mauritious may well be on their list too. A game of chess ,involving the whole world, is being played out and this is no time for Great Britain to release its hold on the Falklands. Undoubtedly they, plus South Georgia, and the Sandwich Islands will militarily become ever more importantant to the UK, to NATO, and the USA
107 lsolde (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
@106 Vernya,
The British Empire HAD world-wide bases, if the Chinese Navy want to rule the waves then they are going to need them also.
l agree with your reasoning, the Falklands are well placed to be an excellent base to control the South Atlantic, the traffic through the Drake Passage & a great chunk of Antarctica.
That is why Argentina want them although they couldn't control a dugout canoe, let alone any naval or merchant trade.
108 Vernya (#) Jun 19th, 2014 - 01:00 pm Report abuse
Your CommentDecember 16th, UN Resolution 637 (VII) A, entitled The Right of Peoples and Nations to Self-Determination  states inter alia; “… Whereas every Member of the United Nations, in conformity with the Charter, should respect the maintenance of the right of self-determination in other States, …The General Assembly recommends that; 1. The Member States of the United Nations shall uphold the principle of self-determination of all peoples and nations;… 2. The Member States of the United Nations shall recognize and promote the realization of this right of self-determination of the peoples of Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territories who are under their administration and shall facilitate the exercise of this right by the peoples of such Territories according to the principles and spirit of the Charter of the United Nations in regard to each Territory and to the freely expressed wishes of the peoples concerned, the wishes of the people being ascertained through plebiscites or other recognised democratic means, preferably under the auspices of the United Nations; …
Year 1955. In response to Great Britain's willingness to refer the problem to the International Court of Justice, the Argentine replied as follows:-
“August 1st, Argentina’s Foreign Minister writes; ” .. The Argentine Government has several times had occasion to indicate in notes addressed to Her Britannic Majesty’s Embassy in Buenos Aries that it cannot consent to the question of sovereignty over the Antarctic Territories of Argentina which it is sought to raise being referred for decision to any International Court of Justice or Arbitration Tribunal. By this present note, my Government reaffirms its refusal in the most express way with regard to the jurisdiction of this Court and with regard to any possibility that it should be seised as such to deal with this case.”

It would seem, therefore, that the Argentine were not at all sure that they had a legitimate claim to the Falkland Islands.
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