Saturday, June 14th 2014 - 08:44 UTC

Falklands on Liberation Day pledges to preserve 'our homeland' despite Argentina's efforts

The Falkland Islands on Liberation Day pledged to continue developing its economy “for the benefit of our people, and for the preservation of our homeland”, despite the Argentine government's concerted efforts “to stifle our economic and political development over the last ten years”.

The 2013 referendum sent an unequivocal and powerful message to the world about our determination to steer our own future

Liberation Day is also a day when we reflect on the fact that we are a people with almost two centuries of development

 On Liberation Day, 14 June, “Falkland Islanders remember those that liberated the Falkland Islands from the illegal occupation by Argentine forces, in 1982”, but it is also a day to reflect that “Falkland Islanders are a people with almost two centuries of development to look back on with pride and as much to look forward to”, according to the release from the elected Legislative Assembly.

The release also recalls that last year with a 92% turnout, the electorate voted to retain their current status as a British Overseas Territory with a resounding 99.8% support. And this was done upholding the UN charter basic right of all people to determine their own future, “an inalienable human right”.

Furthermore the Falklands enjoy self-government, a self-sufficient economy, fiscal solvency and have a political partnership with the UK clearly defined and mutually agreed, except for defence: “which is only required due to the war in 1982 and Argentina's ongoing claim”.

Finally the release enumerates a list of efforts by Argentina to derail the Islands economy by attacking basic sectors such as communications, fisheries, tourism, oil industry and turning its back on joint conservation efforts.

Follows the full release on Liberation Day:

This year is one of commemoration; the Falkland Islands are preparing events to commemorate those who lost their lives in both the Battle of Coronel and Battle of the Falklands in 1914. In this particular month we remembered the 70th anniversary of the D-Day landings and today, particularly for Falkland Islanders, we remember those that liberated the Falkland Islands from the illegal occupation by Argentine forces, in 1982. We shall never forget all of those who lost their lives during that terrible war.

Liberation Day is also a day when we reflect on the fact that we are a people with almost two centuries of development to look back on with pride, as well as much to look forward to.

It was just over one year ago when 92% of the electorate voted in a referendum on whether we wanted to retain our status as a British Overseas Territory, with a resounding 99.8% in favour of doing so. The result sent an unequivocal and powerful message to the world about our determination to steer our own future. This was not just the decision of Islanders of British descent but all of the Islanders, from different nationalities who have decided to make the Falkland Islands their home.

We continue to remind those that will listen, that the UN Charter upholds the basic right of all people to determine their own future. We exercised that right very clearly last year, and call on the international community to support that inalienable human right.

We have our own Constitution and are internally self-governing. Our political partnership with the UK is clearly defined and mutually agreed. We are fortunate to be in a relatively strong fiscal position, and are economically self-sufficient, apart from our defence. A defence that is only required due to the war in 1982 and Argentina’s ongoing claim, and is the minimum it can be to act as a deterrent against such action in the future.

Disappointingly, there have been a series of concerted efforts from the Argentine Government to stifle our economic and political development over the last ten years. These efforts are often in contravention of international law and have included:

• A decree attempting to limit merchant shipping access to the Islands for trade purposes;

• A blanket ban on charter flights entering the Islands;

• A failure to punish or even condemn those carrying out physical intimidation of international cruise liners visiting the Falklands;

• Amended legislation with clear penalties of fines and imprisonment of any executives involved in the oil exploration in the waters surrounding the Islands;

• A Presidential decree making it illegal for fishing companies operating in Argentina to also work in the Falklands; and

• A persistent refusal to work within the South Atlantic Fisheries Commission agreement to co-operate in the protection of the ecosystem in the South West Atlantic.

We will continue to develop our economy, for the benefit of our people, and for the preservation of our homeland. That is the best tribute to those who gave their ‘today’ for our ‘tomorrow’.

The Legislative Assembly of the Falkland Islands

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1 Monkeymagic (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 09:37 am Report abuse
Argentina: a country with no history to be proud of, finding solace in a make-believe history for which it should be ashamed.

Pitiful.
2 Vestige (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 10:59 am Report abuse
Falklands/Malvinas: a non-country hamlet of GB, with no distinct history or culture of its own, demographically withering to a halt.

Miserable.
3 Room101 (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 10:59 am Report abuse
Aspects of Argentina are not all bad you know. No country can be that- despite the vitriol pouring both ways at present. Reasonable and realistic relations should be sought for. The Falklands are a matter for the Islanders, and if they want to be part of the UK so be it- to the hilt, of course; but let's look to a future when an Argentinian government will form diplomatic formal relations, founded on mutual respect and full recognition, therefore, of the Islander's rights under self-determination. Adult considerations.
Of course, there will be those who will always look for outlets to exercise, through their tortured egos, by malicious and perverted submissions, in blogs and so forth.
4 Islander1 (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 11:39 am Report abuse
Room 101 - you may have not noticed that our Falkland Islands Govt has said many times in recent years that we are ready to sit down with the Argentine Govt and talk about issues of mutual interest and ways to start to improve relations - fisheries conservation in the south west Atlantic for one.
Sadly Argentine has consistently refused - her President almost ran from the room at a meeting in the UN where our delegation tried to hand over a letter on this - and her Foreign Minister aborted a meeting with the Br Foreign Sec in London a year ago when he found out that elected members of our Govt would be there as well if he wanted to talk about Island issues!
So sorry all the vitriolic of today has ONE origen - all initially and continually caused by Argentina - I reckon it will take them 20 years minimum of fence building to even get back to where we were in 2001 in relations.
Ball 100% in their court.

Vestige - do please give me an example of “withering to a halt”?
Our Financial reserves - rising annually
Our GDP - growing
Our Economy - growing
Direct trade links with 2 S American countries,despite Argentina,s vitriol.
5 Vestige (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 11:50 am Report abuse
Your population ..... +1 .... in a decade
Your average age : Cranky/with a bad hip.
6 HansNiesund (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 12:05 pm Report abuse
@5

So far, galloping to the Argentine rescue, we've had variously China, Russia, The UN, “The Whole World”, the Latin American brotherhood, Brazil, the British taxpayer, Angola, Equitorial Guinea, Indonesia, and now the Grim Reaper.

This is the first appearance of the latter, if I'm not mistaken?
7 Conqueror (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 12:14 pm Report abuse
The WORLD needs to take note of every argie activity that breaches the UN Charter and/or international law.

• A decree attempting to limit merchant shipping access to the Islands for trade purposes;

• A blanket ban on charter flights entering the Islands
Breaches of the UN Charter.

• Amended legislation with clear penalties of fines and imprisonment of any executives involved in the oil exploration in the waters surrounding the Islands;

• A Presidential decree making it illegal for fishing companies operating in Argentina to also work in the Falklands
More breaches of the UN Charter.

• A failure to punish or even condemn those carrying out physical intimidation of international cruise liners visiting the Falklands;
• A persistent refusal to work within the South Atlantic Fisheries Commission agreement to co-operate in the protection of the ecosystem in the South West Atlantic.
Breaches of international law.

Keep Falkland Islands. The British people are with you. You CAN depend and rely on us. NO British government will ever be permitted to desert you. And, at the end of the day, the British armed forces are OURS. And, if it's necessary, WE will send them. Or WE will come ourselves. But WE won't need to. The Royal Air Force, the British Army, the Royal Navy, the Royal Marines have long memories.
@3 Did you get to read #2? Comment? Some reason why we should countenance animals?
8 Cognitio (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 12:35 pm Report abuse
2. Vestige - Well you could argue that their culture is British...which would make it superior to Argentinian culture. If indeed the term “Argentinian Culture” is not something of an Oxymoron.

Argentinians are a very odd people...just when you think they cant sink any lower they find a whole new level to wallow about in. The entire nation is like one of those awful families who end up on the Jeremy Kyle show.
You know overweight, full of tatoos and very, very mouthy. Yet strangely stupid and when given the opportunity to make good decision “would push over their own mother” in their compulsive haste to choose a bad alternative instead.
9 Monkeymagic (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
Interesting that poor Vestige thinks that the Falklands have no distinct history that isn't British.

Nice of him to say so.

PMSL.
10 Islander1 (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
Vestige, actually there is some doubt locally as to the accuracy of that census as not all households and families appeared to have received the forms at the time due to error - as can be verified by some facts:

Growing number of young children in the School - a new larger junior school is high on the new building priority as the current one - only 10-15 yrs old itself is now pushed to cope with the numbers.

Shortage of Housing for young families - several new housing estates opening up with plots for building and rapidly being snapped up.

Yes some of are getting a wee bit older but the is a rapidly growing young population group.

If you ever visit you will learn that we have our own individual culture - a mix of British(patrticularily Scottish) and Patagonian.
11 M_of_FI (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 04:59 pm Report abuse
Vestige post proves that ignorance is bliss.
12 Vestige (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 05:32 pm Report abuse
theres more culture in a pot of yogurt.

stop wasting your time pretending you're anything more than English people a great distance from home, nobodys buying it, thats why no-one recognizes a 'falklander' people.
Sealand had more legitimacy.

ok, we'll say the census was off by 500% .... the islands have grown by 5 in a decade. 4 of whom were born in England to English parents and will spend the greater part of their childhood and life there no doubt. In line with the norm.

www.lse.co.uk/SharePrice.asp?shareprice=RKH
13 ilsen (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 05:43 pm Report abuse
Proud of the Falkland Islanders and how they conduct themselves on the World Stage.
14 HansNiesund (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 05:43 pm Report abuse
@12

Things are really speeding up around here, only post 12 and we're at the naked racism already. Usually we have to go through the whole mythology/crimes of the British Empire first.
15 Vestige (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
Now now, Hans. No need for the racist card, the reaper is entirely equal opportunities.
16 HansNiesund (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 05:57 pm Report abuse
Indeed. But apparently I'm supposed to believe that there's something wrong with people (originally) of British extraction in the Southern hemisphere deciding for themselves how they wish to be governed, since this right is apparently reserved for those of Italo-Iberian origin.
17 Vestige (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
I thought this was about how the resident population is withering to a halt.... which it seems to be.

Nobody could blame them for going back home to blighty.
Even Wales is a party by comparison.
18 Monty69 (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 06:32 pm Report abuse
17 Vestige

Either you've never been to Wales, or you've never been to the Falklands. Actually, my guess is you've never been to either.

And what is ''about how the resident population is withering to a halt''? The article? No. Most of the comments? No

You asserted it, from a position of almost total ignorance. Other people told you that you were wrong. Move on.
19 Briton (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
It would be a shame, that if after decades of abuse and threats by the argies, they then say, ok lets sit down and talk so we can reap the benefits ,

seems odd, but it would be a shame, that one day one may have to talk to those who hate you so much..
20 Monkeymagic (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
Vestige

There are people on the Falklands who have had their families there for 150 years plus, and have never been to the Uk....how the hell are they less Southern Hemisphere than 90% of Argentines, Chileans or Brazilians.

The problem you have is, because there isn't many of them, you feel able to bully them, discount them, or lie about them.

This small group of people are clearly distinct from Britain, just as the Australians, Canadians or New Zealanders are. The difference is that they are too small to be fully independent, especially as they require defence from a bullying, lying, belligerent neighbour.

So, they sit with a whole group of other peoples, too small to be fully independent, but self governing, and managed the way the population wish.

The population of Pitcairn at around 60 or so are also a BOT, and are distinct ever since the Bounty landed there.

The populations of Bermuda, Gibraltar, Belize and St Helena are also distinct, both from Britain and each other.

You could even argue that the populations of Jersey and the Isle of Man are self-governing and distinct.

So, I am sorry Vestige...you lunatic bullshit about the islanders is just that, and is used purely to disguise your greed, your wish to colonise, and your total inferiority complex.

The islanders have a rich history, 180 years of peaceful civilisation, never attacked anyone, and shown honarable decorum in the face of blatant spite.

Argentina on the other hand, in the same 180 years have very little to have pride in, genocide in Patagonia, supporting and harbouring genocidal Nazis, tossing nuns from planes,invading tiny neighbours, and using them as human shields, the largest economic default in history.

And all the while wasting the richest natural resources one could imagine due to stupidity and corruption.

We clearly disagree as to which is a rich society.
21 reality check (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
He comes from a society of have nots.

As in, they have not got a hope in hell of ever getting the island!
22 Joe Bloggs (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
Vestige = A_voice = Doveroverdover = Surfer = Think, etc.
Yawn.

Beautiful day here in the Falklands. No wind and very sunny. The parade was a particularly nice one and the Bloggs family has had a very peaceful day reflecting on the sacrifices so many people made for our freedom. Something we will never forget.
23 ilsen (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
@20
A well reasoned and clearly put together argument.

If only the likes of Vestige or Think could manage that level of debate I might even listen to what they have to say!
24 Joe Bloggs (#) Jun 14th, 2014 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
20Monkeymagic

Like ilsen said, that was a very good post. Let's also not forget, he peoples of the Virgin Islands, Montserrat, Anguilla, the Turks and Caicos Islands, the Cayman Islands and South Georgia.
25 Islander1 (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 12:20 am Report abuse
Vestige - if you still claim we are withering to a halt - please explain to me then why is it that year on year on year our students who leave to study at college and university overseas all want to return home to their Islands and the biggest job is often trying to persuade them to first go and get a few years experience of life under the belt in the world ?

If we are stagnating then why is it that in 2014 we have the highest ever number of top jobs and major Dovt departments headed by fully qualified Islanders?

Do please explain this?

Joe- totally agree fantastic day in the morning- went to Surf Bay in the afternoon- lovely- 5 dolphins playing in the surf a few metres away from the sandbeach,- and then a sealion popped up onto the beach the other side of the point.
26 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 12:21 am Report abuse
22 Mr. Bloggs

“Vestige = A_voice = Doveroverdover = Surfer = Think, etc.”

Yep, “vestige” screams multi-“Voice” identities.

Best Wishes to you and the Free & Democratic, self -governing Bloggs family!!

Go Falklands !!!
27 ilsen (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 12:44 am Report abuse
I second that Troy!

Islander1
Sounds wonderful!
28 Vestige (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 02:00 am Report abuse
look, census results - the part-timer, wanna-be-country/country club/GB franchise with a fake beard, is withering to a halt.

Which is good for the world (and GB) as the place produces more problems than it does worth.

yes yes the same old good honest honorably stubborn underdog rants get trotted out, as with anywhere else GB decided to stick a few ( yah totally democratic) traffic cones. (and later regret it)

if you follow the money you'll get to the truth.
where was it that tried to sell the islands off again ??

you know ... for the greater good.
anyhoo ... I didn't type this, my hand did.

(yes yes spare me the predictable)

lol ... the parade
29 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 03:26 am Report abuse
28 Verbiage

Not for you to decide.

It's up to the Islanders and British to determine their priorities and values.

Too bad for you.

Ja ja ja ja ja
30 reality check (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 04:13 am Report abuse
Lol the parade.

That would be The Liberation Day Parade would it?

Aka The Victory Parade.

Keep on whining loser!
31 tRoll_with_the_Punches (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 05:22 am Report abuse
Respect to the Falkland Islanders and to the future of that community to be left alone by my government and many of my compatriots. I cannot bring myself to find this obsession with the Falklands as having anything constructive for my society, much less any hostile actions against the population in the islands.

@3

Most British think exactly like Monkeymagic and Cognitio and Conqueror, and Reality check, and I could go on, which is why I suspect Argentina won't ever again seek fruitful relationships with the UK when it's harbors such ideations. We don't have to have relations with the UK to be honest anyway, to get on with it.

As far as relations with the Falklands, that will not happen either. Argentina's government cannot and probably will not accord the FIG, by engaging in bilateral talks, the status of a sovereign nation, because it simply does not have it.

And even if one day they do, Argentina really has nothing to discuss with the islands anyway that is of its interest. It won't get a change in sovereignty, because it is not an issue the Falklands rightfully are not interested in and cannot be forced into talks with. Conversely, Argentina is not interested in any of the issues the Falklanders are and certainly ARG will not be forced into talks (about fisheries).

So, what is needed is a societal shift in Argentina away from the Falklands recovery Tome, and once that is achieved a true and lasting severing of any exchange between Argentina and the Falkands, and Europe as well.
32 Anglotino (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 06:33 am Report abuse
“a true and lasting severing of any exchange between Argentina and the Falkands, and Europe as well.”

Yep! So not gunna happen!

But I'm sure a 5 year old thinks it is totally possible for autarky to work for Argentina.

Are you 5 years old Nostrils?
33 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 06:47 am Report abuse
32 Anglotino

Credit where it's due - the rest of his post was realistic and quite correct - neither side is likely to want anything to do with each other for a generation or two.

As to isolation - only if Argentina wants to go back to the steam era, and there is no way they could support 40m without modern farm machinery, medicine, and other technology they must import components for.

:-)
34 tRoll_with_the_Punches (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 07:00 am Report abuse
@32

Why not? The rift is growing ever wider, so I think it is much more likely than you believe.

Autarky? Where did I say that?

I'm not 5 years old, but your reading comprehension apparently is.

@33

We can completely without problem produce modern farm machinery. Medicine, I'd say about 95%, except for top-end treatments, but that would be acceptable if it meant independence from outsiders. Please don't give me the I'm willing to sacrifice people, no... those super expensive treatments are mostly new treatments that usually did not exist 5-10 years ago... and humanity went on fine back then as I can recall now.
35 ilsen (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 07:35 am Report abuse
How is the isolation gig working out for North Korea?

Is that your ideal state Trolley?
36 HansNiesund (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 09:25 am Report abuse
@35

It's not so much isolation he wants, as impunity. He thinks it's really, really unfair that the world expects Argentina to bear the consequences of its own behaviour. This is quite a common viewpoint in Argentina, Argentina, which has indeed an entire political movement dedicated to this very idea. Shamefully, the doctrine is not widely accepted outside Argentina, which only goes to show what a cruel, nasty world it is.
37 ilsen (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 09:35 am Report abuse
Well put Hans.

I ve noticed the exact same things in my long long involvement in Latin American affairs.
38 CaptainSilver (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 09:47 am Report abuse
Toby, tit troll, just for you….
www.buzzfeed.com/simoncrerar/reasons-britannia-still-rules-the-waves?s=mobile
39 ilsen (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 02:19 pm Report abuse
@38
Brilliant link. Love it!
I have shared it via various social media.

Cheers!
40 tRoll_with_the_Punches (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 02:34 pm Report abuse
@36

Well the UK and Europe in general has been allowed to act with impunity for many years, but I think if things keep going the way they are in Iraq/Syria, Egypt/Libya, and Ukraine/Russia, you will eventually get what you all deserve for all the decades of impunity.

You are not much for Britain bearing the consequences of it's behavior in Iraq huh?
41 Conqueror (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 02:39 pm Report abuse
@29 I think “vestige” is scotch. One of a dwindling band of no-hopers who are beginning to fear next year. They have actually recognised the truth of all that they have been told. Except for whatever issues out of the face of fishface Salmon(d). They can see all the non-scotch leaving to return to civilisation. Leaving only three and a half million. He's hoping that scotchland will be better off than the Falkland Islands. The bit he's missed is that Islanders work, the scotch don't. The scotch just whinge, go on benefits and, if possible, raid over the border.
@34 The “rift” isn't yet big enough. Why can't argies do the sensible thing and measure the distance to the Falklands by going west? Preferably by walking. And, by the same token, why can't argies and argieland STFU and die? Nobody would really miss either. There are other things to laugh at. Kim Jong minus one. Vlad the impala. Ras (he wishes) putin the pygmy. (no) Morals. (R) useloff. MADuro the conductor. “and humanity went on fine back then”. That excuses argieland. You can't put “argieland” and “humanity” in the same thought. Never mind the same sentence.
@36 Surely it would be better to “teach” him about the real world and the error of his ways. Crushing his tiny balls underfoot whilst taking a flying kick at his arse. Screwing his face into a sewage works. And jumping on the back of his head.
42 tRoll_with_the_Punches (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 02:46 pm Report abuse
This is who the Brits like Conqueror, HansNiesund, Captain Silver, Monkeymagic, reality check, and Islen voted three times for:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2658105/Blair-Dont-blame-meltdown-Iraq-Astonishing-essay-ex-PM-says-Obama-quit-soon-UK-launch-attacks.html
43 Heisenbergcontext (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
@40

Toby, Sunni's and Shi'ites have been at each others throats for 1300 years now, a dispute that originated in what is now Iraq, but has infected much of the Middle-East. Saddam Hussein's oppression kept this under control for over thirty years, which is part of the reason for why it is so vicious. The ten year long Iran-Iraq war is also a consideration.

They are going through the same sectarian divisions that wracked Europe centuries ago - divisions that are really about power and who controls it - but they have much bigger guns nowadays.

It really sucks for all the innocent people caught up in it, but what is happening in Iraq would've happened eventually anyway - regardless of ham-fisted western intervention.
44 Monkeymagic (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
@42

Just for your reference, I have never voted for the Labour Party or Tony Blair, however as we are a democracy, I note they won three times and therefore we are all responsible for their actions.

In the case of Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya...providing them the means for a full democratically elected government after generations of brutal dictatorships.

In the case of Ukraine, likewise and offering them access to the largest economic trade zone in the world.

In the case of Syria, I am less proud to stand by and watch a dictator butcher his own people.

I guess it all depends on your point of view.

For the most part we agree. argentines shouldn't really mix with the outside world. Leave the islanders alone and go into isolation. Nationalise all international businesses, and stop importing technology and medicines.

Give it a generation or two, and when you only have yourselves to blame...hopefully a really bloody, destructive and violent civil war, followed by begging Brazil to take you over.
45 Vestige (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
29 - w/e, the population is still aging and stagnating though. withering to a halt.
30 - did they dress in orange sashes too ? what great ... and beneficial ... prizes GB does oft' win.
46 Monkeymagic (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 04:43 pm Report abuse
The prize that GB won on Liberation Day, Vestige, was freedom and liberty for the Falkland Islanders.

It was a hard won prize of 255 lives on our side and more than double that on yours.

It is worth commemorating though, it showed that Britain will never leave the islanders to tyranny and oppression, never leave them to have their homes and their land stolen, no matter what the cost.

Sadly, being an obviously retarded Argie, you believe that some make-believe set of fantasies from 1832-1833 entitle you to steal the land, businesses and homes.

Shame...on you.
47 Briton (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
We are not perfect, but we are gold plated compared to plastic land..
48 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 06:30 pm Report abuse
38 Silver

Fantastic, Long John !!!

Love that link - so true!
49 Briton (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 06:35 pm Report abuse
The US-Navies
The Navy's Most Vital And Secretive Submarine Base Is In... Idaho?!?
foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-navys-most-vital-and-secretive-submarine-base-is-in-1590794426/+TylerRogoway
fascinating, I wonder where we test our secret submarines…

.
50 The Voice (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 07:15 pm Report abuse
Are you familiar with Treasure Island...?
....Long John was a Quartermaster and not a Captain.....
...but his parrot was...
51 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
50 Thank you , Mr. Pedant
52 HansNiesund (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 08:22 pm Report abuse
@40

I'm continually surprised that your high moral standards are always set by reference to somebody else's worst behaviour. That is as childish as your claim of impunity.

As for Iraq, if we were Argentins we'd be complaining we were tricked into invading by Saddam Hussein. Or it wasn't us, it was our evil twin brother. Or whatever. Anything but admit it was a colossal fuck up.
53 Islander1 (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
Vestige 45- clearly old chap you cannot read nor understand facts , otherwise you would by now have realised that despite the results of a census a couple of years ago- things have changed since that record-correctly measured or not.

Orange Sashes - no - I would agree with you on that lot- about time they moved into the 21st century and let bygones be bygones and learn to live with their neighbours - actually would you not agree that sums up Argentina as well?
54 Steve-34-uk (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
'G77 & CHINA - Unanimous support for the Falklands and Argentina external debt - The country received a “unanimous support” of the 133 members who met in Bolivia, and included in their final declaration a major support for Argentina's position on the question of the sovereignty dispute over the islands and in the conflict with the vulture funds...'
www.telam.com.ar/notas/201406/67424-unanime-apoyo-a-la-argentina-por-malvinas-y-la-deuda-externa.html
55 Vestige (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
53 - Argentina has good relations with its many mercosur neighbors.

And the islands ??
56 reality check (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 09:48 pm Report abuse
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G77

WTF does reorganising the fundamental makeup of the UN have to do with promoting joint economic interests?

Christ, C24 promoting colonisation and now this, it's laughable.

Opening speech reads like a communist manifesto!
57 Anglotino (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 09:51 pm Report abuse
“Argentina has good relations with its many Mercosur neighbours.”

What! All THREE?

It is obvious you know as much about Mercosur as you do about pretty much everything else you comment on.

Because it doesn't.
58 Pete Bog (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 10:23 pm Report abuse
@55

“Argentina has good relations with its many mercosur neighbors”

Good relations defined as taking Uruguay to the ICJ over the paper mill plant?

I'd hate to see Argentina's version of bad relations with a neighbour when it's friendly actions are to go to the ICJ.
59 CaptainSilver (#) Jun 15th, 2014 - 10:44 pm Report abuse
Troy - o ar, its a pleasure…
60 Islander1 (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 12:37 am Report abuse
Vestige 55 - How is it then that most of your important mercosur neighbours have to publicly express their frustrations with Argentina tome and time again?
How come a Chilean diplomat in Buenos Aires not so long ago commentated to a British diplomat there that UK was so lucky - it only has ONE disagreement with Argentina!
The Falklands has good working positive relations with 2 of its neighbours - none with the 3rd - but that is of their making not ours as we used to and they walked out of all of them!
61 La Patria (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 01:18 am Report abuse
Putting any historical arguments aside, there is no justifiable reason why an Argentine government would avoid talks involving the islanders. After all, what harm can talking do whilst conversely it could lead to something productive.
Maturity is needed, not childish petulance.
62 Vestige (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 02:18 am Report abuse
Tsk Tsk Tsk.
Anglo. Anglo. Anglo.

“What! All THREE?”

“It is obvious you know as much about Mercosur as you do about pretty much everything else you comment on.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_Mercosur#mediaviewer/File:Map_of_MERCOSUR.png

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_Mercosur

images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/10/3/6/6/90002861002681087.jpg

latina-press.com/media/2010/12/mercosul-karte.jpg

You were saying ??

Islander - you can cherry pick bad moments from Argentinian-Chile relations, fair enough, I'll just remind you that Chile imports in the billions of dollars range from Argentina.
As Im sure its other neighbors collectively do so also.

Cherries being on the menu lets remember that Uruguay and Brazil rightly banned vessels flying 'falkland' flags.
63 Anglotino (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 03:32 am Report abuse
Yes Vestige

I was saying.

You said:
“Argentina has good relations with its many Mercosur neighbours.”

I said:
“What! All THREE?”

As Mercosur has 5 members. And one is Argentina. That leaves 4 potential neighbours. Last time I checked Venezuela didn't share a border with Argentina. Indeed they're 2,500kms apart. Pretty much the distance from Spain to Egypt. Are they suddenly neighbours?

Therefore the “many neighbours” that you talk about is pretty much 3.

Hardly many now is it.

But then after the fool you made yourself regarding republicans in Australia, it is hardly surprising how little you know about Argentina, Mercosur and the neighbours of the Falkland Islands.
64 Terence Hill (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 03:52 am Report abuse
62 Vestige
On the contrary, banning vessels flying 'falkland' flags is an illegal act under international law, but that is to be expected of Argentina. So if it was in any way seriously impacting on the economy of the Islands the UK has the option to successfully sue for any and all losses. At present she has decided to hold that option in abeyance. It's not difficult to see why, given the the tortured and largely unsuccessful machinations of Argentina. It's a guarantee that she will stumble and fall on her own sword before long, and therefore resolve the issue to the complete satisfaction of the UK

United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea

Article 24
Duties of the coastal State

1. The coastal shall not hamper the innocent passage of foreign ships through the territorial sea except in accordance with this convention. In particular, in the application of this Convention or any of the laws or regulations adopted in conformity with this convention, the coastal State shall not:
(a) impose requirements on foreign ships which have the practical of denying or impairing the right of of innocent passage; or
(b) discriminate in form or in fact against against the ships of any or against ships carrying cargoes to, from or on behalf of any State.
65 Vestige (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 10:36 am Report abuse
Anglo - dear oh dear.
Chile is a neighbor. Chile is part of mercosur.

Now tell me it isn't. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5195834.stm#facts

Your distraction re; republicans .... ok Ill bite.
Monarchy is on its way out in Oz, ok your side have scored a goal or two lately, but given the long term trend thats just putting off the inevitable.
Soon as Charlie's ass hits the chair you can welcome your new found freedom.

Terrence hill and his Chewbaca defense - Uruguay and Brazil previously banned falklands flagged vessels, thats the long and short of it.
66 Clyde15 (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 11:57 am Report abuse
#41
Sorry to disabuse you but he is not -he is actually a disgruntled Englander living in the area between Aldershot and Reading. An area well known for disaffected whingers, psychos and low lives.
67 Islander1 (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 12:16 pm Report abuse
Vestige-another FACT for you:
Uruguay accepts vessels from the Falklands who- 3 miles out - swap the FI flag for the Red Ensign of the UK merchant fleet - which they are fully entitled to do as to comply with FI regulations your ship also thus meets and complies with the UK regulations.
Ur Foreign Minister actually spelled this out very clearly in the same speech where he said what he did(at Argentina,s request) about the FI Flag.
Punta Arenas exactly the same applies. Brazil I do not know - other than several FI registered ships go to southern Brazil ports to “lay up” in the offseason as less corruption that Montevideo.
Oh an one particular Royal Navy ship still visits Montevideo each summer. HMS Protector.
68 Vestige (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 12:31 pm Report abuse
67 - Islander.
Argentina, unsurprisingly doesn't have to do such things for Uruguay or Brazil.
Yet does have billions in combined trade with both countries.

So if Argentina has bad relations with its neighbors what does that make the islanders'.

66 - who me ? A Scot ? An Englander ? Im breakin up the union quicker than Slamond. Its also been suggested that Im a Yank or an Argie.

(TDM*)
69 HansNiesund (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 12:32 pm Report abuse
@65

In all your glee, you've missed the important point. It's not the vessel that's banned, it's the flag. Which means the vessel only has to run up the Red Ensign and then it's business as usual. Or in other words, the whole thing is a symbolic gesture designed to placate Argentina without incurring any cost of substance. This is why the UK has never bothered to pursue the issue, it's one of these pragmatic diplomatic work arounds that keep everybody more or less happy in an imperfect world.The only people fooled by it are the Argentine general public, gullible anglophobes, useful idiots and fellow travellers, who line up with the Peronists for whatever reason.
70 Vestige (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 01:01 pm Report abuse
They dont want anything to do with falklands symbolism .... yet Argentine symbolism is perfectly ok.

When was the last time Argentine vessels flying the Argentine flag were banned from Uruguayan and Brazilian ports.

So who has the better relations with Brazil and Uruguay ??

en.mercopress.com/2012/10/09/brazil-strongly-supports-argentina-falklands-claim-at-defence-ministers-summit

www.telam.com.ar/english/notas/201405/2348-brazil-renewed-its-support-to-the-argentine-claim-on-malvinas-islands.html

en.mercopress.com/2014/05/09/uk-disappointed-with-uruguay-s-identification-of-falklands-as-a-latent-threat

... and who's considered a latent threat ?
71 Terence Hill (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 01:19 pm Report abuse
70 Vestige
Oh yeah Uruguay loves you the public persona is just a ploy to conceal your deep a meaningful mutual respect.
en.mercopress.com/2014/06/14/argentina-on-the-war-path-against-uruguay-following-re-ignition-of-pulp-mill-dispute
en.mercopress.com/2014/06/16/cristina-fernandez-and-mujica-so-close-but-ever-so-distant
72 Anglotino (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 01:20 pm Report abuse
“Chile is a neighbor. Chile is part of mercosur.”

Bahahahahahaha

This guy is so clueless.
73 HansNiesund (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
@70

Do let us know if you ever come across anybody, anywhere will do, who's prepared to put money where their mouth is.
74 Vestige (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 02:02 pm Report abuse
Terrence sockpuppet.

The best you can come up with is a dispute over a paper mill.
That must make the next step war.
Thats how it goes ... frown....name calling ....papermill ... war.

Argentina and Uruguay have disagreements sometimes, but at the end of the day relations are good overall. As evidenced by peace and trade.

G.Britains colony however is openly described as a latent threat.

Anglo - Chile is part of mercosur since 1996*. I take it you dont like that very much.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_Mercosur#Associate_members

*(Ya flamin galah)
75 HansNiesund (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 02:28 pm Report abuse
@74

“Argentina has not only tried to sink the UPM pulp mill project, but has also sabotaged agreements on ports, access canals to the River Plate and the River Uruguay, new projects along the River Uruguay and banned transshipment of Argentine cargo in the port of Montevideo, which has meant a 30% drop in activity.”

en.mercopress.com/2014/06/16/cristina-fernandez-and-mujica-so-close-but-ever-so-distant

Give up, Vestige. Argentina are ASBO-standard neighbours, but if it's any consolation they were even worse as tenants.
76 Clyde15 (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 02:40 pm Report abuse
online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-supreme-court-rejects-argentina-appeal-in-sovereign-debt-case-1402926119

I thought I would throw in a wild card.
77 Terence Hill (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 04:37 pm Report abuse
65 Vestige

Yes we notice how all your neighbours sing your praises, for example this how Chileans really view you.

Maricones argentinos, que perdió las Islas Malvinas, ya que son un montón de idiotas mudos

So you proffer opinions from the great unwashed while I counter with definitive international law. Just remember opinions are like derrières everyone got one, but at the end of the day they are legally meaningless in terms of binding international law.
78 Vestige (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
Yeah international law is great ... when its not a non-sequitur.

I think you'll find a tomato is a fruit. HA!!
79 Islander1 (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
Vestige- well relations between the Islands and Uruguay and Chile suit us - we do business and trade with both and our respective members of Chamber of Commerce visit each other.
80 Terence Hill (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 08:00 pm Report abuse
78 Vestige
On the contrary, you were the person that raised the legal issue in post #62 to wit ”lets remember that Uruguay and Brazil rightly banned vessels flying 'falkland' flags. Which I showed was illegal under international law in post #64, specifically a breach of the UNCLOS so it's hardly a non-sequitur. Of course we all know that Argentineans love to argue out of both sides of their mouths at the same time, but international law prevents this under the principal of estoppel. So we can safely state that while various nations may have banned ships flying the Falklands flag, such conduct is clearly illegal, what ever spin you want to put on it. So while the UK position is safely protected under at least six aspects of international law, and conversely Argentina has no claim under international law. We will never see any change in the status quo.
81 ilsen (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
69
Good post
82 Anglotino (#) Jun 16th, 2014 - 11:10 pm Report abuse
Vestige

Please stop making a fool of yourself AGAIN.

Chile is an ASSOCIATE member. Not a member.

Look up the difference and stop playing the fool. You made a mistake now admit it and move on.

Just because things made sense in your head doesn't mean they do in reality.
83 Vestige (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 02:51 am Report abuse
80 - Ah, I see the error of your ways now. “Rightly” in this context refers to the moral aspect. You've mistakenly taken it from the legal perspective.

Rightly: “in accordance with *morality* or equity; uprightly”.

82 - Anglo. Chile is part of mercosur, this is fact, you've been given proof.

Mercosur is composed of different countries with different levels of membership. Just because you're not at full member status doesn't mean you're not part of the bloc.

Perhaps you'd like to tell the Chilean govt they're not part of mercosur.
Even though the Chilean govt has a voice at regional forums where they sit with full members and the other associate members.

Im sure they'd ask what happens now to their ability to make free trade agreements and organize those tariff reductions within mercosur.

They signed up as a composite part of mercosur after fulfilling economic complementation agreements between mercosur and each associate country. All the way back in 1996.

So which is it - they are a mercosur neighbor or not.

A memo gets issued titled 'For the attention of -ALL- mercosur countries'.
Do you think Chile might just get a copy.
84 Terence Hill (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 03:14 am Report abuse
83 Vestige or whatever your calling yourself now
You were the one who made the mistake blustering on about a subject that your got completely wrong, and are now attempting to wriggle out of it. Morally versus legally is just another attempted Argentine sophism. Ergo, when your wrong in law, claim the law is immoral, even when there is absolutely no basis for such a claim.
According to my dictionary
Rightly: in accordance with justice or what is morally right. Since both words are synonymous with the same meaning. Even using the word rightly, I have proved your wrong in all it's senses.
85 ilsen (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 07:51 am Report abuse
Oh dear! Vestige all tied up in knots.

Funny!
86 Anglotino (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 12:16 pm Report abuse
Vestige it is no wonder you are always wrong. You clearly have no clue about how pretty much anything works even when you keep to the Gibraltar threads.

A member of Mercosur:
* is a country that has adhered to a treaty BETWEEN EACH member state.

An associate member of Mercosur:
* is a country that has adhered to a treaty WITH Mercosur.

* Chile is not invited when the heads of government meet at Mercosur summits
* Chile is not part of the Mercosur free trade negotiations with the EU (it has one already)
* Chile negotiates and has free trade agreements with other countries
* Chile doesn't get the memos.

So you stick to Wikipedia and totally misunderstanding the meaning of the word ASSOCIATE and I'll go straight to the source:
www.mercosur.int

“El Mercado Común del Sur - MERCOSUR - está integrado por la República Argentina, la República Federativa de Brasil, la República del Paraguay, la República Oriental del Uruguay, la República Bolivariana de Venezuela y el Estado Plurinacional de Bolivia*.”

“The Southern Common Market - MERCOSUR - is made up of Argentina, the Federative Republic of Brazil, the Republic of Paraguay, the Oriental Republic of Uruguay, the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela and the Plurinational State of Bolivia *.”

Not even Mercosur agrees with you.

And here's the trade agreement register of the OAS:
www.sice.oas.org/agreements_e.asp

And look at that will you. Chile has a trade agreement with Mercosur:
”Tratado de Libre Comercio entre Chile y MERCOSUR (ACE No 35)”

So does ISRAEL. Is it now a member?

Please keep replying to me Vestige, because you make me look like an effing genius when you do.
87 Vestige (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 02:25 pm Report abuse
84 - Terrence. Theres no wriggling involved. You took 'rightly' to infer 'legally'.

Any number of dictionaries will also refer you to the 'moral' meaning.

Just because something is 'legal' doesn't mean it is 'moral'.

If you dont believe me just go to Amsterdam.

It took my genius to realize your misinterpretation.
I forgive you.

86-
Anglo - All you have to do is tell me that Chile doesn't constitute part of mercosur.

Go on - say it.
88 Terence Hill (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
87 Vestige
Doesn't work that way you are the party making the assertion to wit: at post #62 “... that Uruguay and Brazil rightly banned vessels...”. So regardless of what definition of the word rightly you wish to use you have failed to meet the burden of proof. What you have made is a “unsubstantiated naked assertion” devoid of any proof. In other words the onus is purely on you to prove your moral hypothesis not me to disprove. Typical Argentine fallacy attempting to have the argument both ways, which would be estopped in any court.

Logical Fallacies

Ignoring the Burden of Proof:

Generally speaking, he who asserts must prove. An assertion is a statement offered as a conclusion without supporting evidence. Since an argument is defined as a logical relationship between premise and conclusion, a simple assertion is not an argument. Writers sometimes forget this, and their articles can be littered with assertion after assertion. In the end, the duty to support an assertion is on the writer, not the reader (like the burden of proof is on the accuser in court, rather than the accused).
learn.lexiconic.net/fallacies/index.htm

So better luck with your sophism as you have been clearly caught hook, line and sinker.
89 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
Well done Terence - again!

Vestige is a clot !!
90 Vestige (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 06:24 pm Report abuse
They did rightly ban vessels.

It was the morally right thing to do.

If you're asking for objective proof that something is morally right ... well just bring me the official book of objective morals.

Re; Burden of proof,
You're requesting proof as to what I was inferring at the time of writing.

Well, lets ask the very author who typed it.
Vestige,when you typed 'rightly' earlier were you referring to moral right or legal right?
- What ?
I said what did you mean at the time by 'rightly' please pay attention.
- Oh sorry, Im busy winning the internetz.
Yes but what did you mean that time by 'rightly ?
- Well, morally and all that.
Thank you.

Evidence from the very source of the statement in question.
Me - 1 piece of proof.
You - 0 piece of proof.

So since we're still playing the proof game ....You presently have .... oh yeah, zero proof of anything you said.

Plenty of obfuscation, though. (mmm yes thats right .. I can do the big fancy words too)

In summary, assumption is the mother of ..... your argument.

(and troy)
91 Pete Bog (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
@91
According to Argentina I suppose it is as morally right as chucking nuns out of planes- whatever.

Crime always pays in Argentina.
92 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
90 Verbiage

“It was the morally right thing to do.

If you're asking for objective proof that something is morally right ... well just bring me the official book of objective morals. ”

In other words (since you are trying to twist yours), you have made a statement and barring a “book of Objective Morals”, you are incapable of giving an answer using reasoning and example, when challenged, to say how you arrived at your conclusion.

It is not enough to say, “I have made a statement, therefore it is true”.

Oops! I suppose you are following CFK's examples... and everybody believes her, right??
93 Anglotino (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 08:44 pm Report abuse
Vestige

“Anglo - All you have to do is tell me that Chile doesn't constitute part of mercosur.”

Chile
Doesn't
Constitute
Part
Of
Mercosur
94 Terence Hill (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 08:49 pm Report abuse
90 Vestige
So as was expected you have no proof to support your personal proffering. Personal opinions don't count they're like derrières every fool and his mother has one. I always suspected that you were something of an absurdity, so thanks for the conclusive evidence. But then your just a product of your environment, so no surprises there. The proof of what I offered is within UNCLOS Article 24,(a) and (b) it is noted you've been unable to refute it. You guys should stick to what you do best, pot-banging.
95 ilsen (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
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96 Vestige (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 09:54 pm Report abuse
93 - Ah, Anglo. Good man.

Chile doesn't constitute part of mercosur you say.
Lets see.
1) Chile is an associate member. (We've established that).

2) Associate member. Collins English dictionary.
“ ****... A MEMBER of a club, organisation etc****. but has only partial rights and privileges or subordinate status”.

3)Member. Collins English dictionary.
“a distinct part of a whole”.

www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/associate-member
www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/member

Thank you, come again.

92 - lol. Troy oh Troy.

I love it.

“It is not enough to say, “I have made a statement, therefore it is true”.”

Ill have to ask you for proof of that. Its not enough to say “its not enough to say”. (And rightly so).

94 - Even more lololol

So you're asking me for proof that I myself view an act as moral, but wont accept my own saying so. Yet somehow you get to decide what I meant, on the basis of ... absolutely nothing.

This has become weird now.

“Personal opinions dont count” .......... he personally opined.

Before resorting to ad-hominem. ( oh btw - you assume [again] to know my nationality)

Annnnnyway. Its when I find folks resorting to failed attempts to pick at the mere nuances of my sentences, the fallen breadcrumbs of my writings, that I begin to see that they have so little left.
97 FI_Frost (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 10:31 pm Report abuse
@ 2 Vestige

“Falklands/Malvinas: a non-country hamlet of GB, with no distinct history or culture of its own, demographically withering to a halt. Miserable.”

You said that? Seriously? I guess in the olden days your grandparents have called them untermensch or some such thing. Underneath, you really are a nasty piece.
98 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 10:47 pm Report abuse
96 Verbiage

with nothing to back them up, your opinions are just that - opinions, without substance.

To be ridiculed at our pleasure.

:-D
99 Vestige (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 11:28 pm Report abuse
thats just your opinion Troy, no substance.

I 'rightly' ridicule it.

:-D
100 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 12:33 am Report abuse
Sure, the circular argument of avoidance ?

Back on topic.

If it is legally 'not right' as Terence has indisputably proven, please tell us how it is in contrast, “morally correct” to restrict Falklands shipping.

Oops, you can't ??

Please, any logical argument?

Nope?

mocking you...

:-D
101 Vestige (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 12:56 am Report abuse
Well, if you ask me, which you do, its morally right to discourage growth of the settler population, at least while it retains its current political outlook.

Relative morality old boy.
Nothing to do with law.

ahhh he's mocking me, the cad. Why I've become all a fluster.

But getting back on topic - fuch happenings rather do not make for goode fhow in terms of international relations.
102 Hepatia (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 03:29 am Report abuse
The Malvinas will be returned within the next 25 years so they should not spend too much on the celebrations.
103 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 05:43 am Report abuse
101 Verbiage

“Well, if you ask me, which you do, its morally right to discourage growth of the settler population, at least while it retains its current political outlook. ”

Yes, I did ask you. You have confirmed your motives, but still haven't explained how your actions or intentions are “morally right”.

Just your opinion still, I suppose.
104 Clyde15 (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 09:00 am Report abuse
#102
I think we have got that rather hackneyed phrase off by heart now.
Why not vary it. You could have 300 months, 109,500 days, 2.628,000 minutes or 157.680,000 seconds. I could not be bothered factoring in leap years but your post is a hypothetical piece of junk anyway.
105 Anglotino (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 10:33 am Report abuse
@103 Troy

You should know by know that Vestige's opinion is worth about as much as Hepatia's. And his abilities are probably worse.

Vestige...

You know, I'm a pretty reasonable guy. If you'd just admitted you were wrong then I would have let it slide and never even raised it again. But, alas, you are not only ignorant but also…..mmmm a little uneducated perhaps ?!?!

So where were we:
You @87:
“All you have to do is tell me that Chile doesn't constitute part of mercosur”
Me @93:
“Chile doesn't constitute part of Mercosur”
You @96:
A lot of blabber about dictionary meaning because obviously if Chile is an ASSOCIATE MEMBER then it must constitute part of Mercosur.

Seems you have got your knickers in a knot about the word MEMBER. Because surely if it contains the word MEMBER then it HAS to be part of Mercosur.

Chile is an ASSOCIATE MEMBER. That means it has an agreement with Mercosur but is not part of Mercosur. Chile is not a constituent part of Mercosur. It doesn’t partake in the internal processes of Mercosur.

Here's your free Anglotino grammar lesson: noun adjunct. That is a noun that modifies a noun.

Let's see:
When is your wife married to someone else?
When she is your ex wife.

When is a park not for nature?
When it's a car park.

When can't you use a pocket to store something?
When it's a pick pocket.

When does a fast involve eating?
Breakfast.

On what moon can you breathe air?
A honey moon.

When is a fish not a fish?
When it's a jelly fish.

When doesn't a hood cover something?
When it's a neighbourhood.

When does a house not physically exist?
When it's the dog house.

What closet can't you store clothes in?
A water closet.

When is a member not part of Mercosur.
When it's an associate member.

You're welcome.
106 FI_Frost (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 11:13 am Report abuse
@102 Hepatia

Last year Timerman said 20 years time, so now you give us an extra 6 years grace. Thanks for the heads up on this.

Its a question you can't and won't likely answear, but can you explain how this is going to happen: are you going to invade us again, or are we just going to pack our bags and hand in the keys for some as yet undefined reason? Please expand.
107 lsolde (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 11:20 am Report abuse
@102 Hepatia,
Did your malvinas reminder CD just click in?
03.29am,
click,
“malvinas will be returned in 25 years”
click,
Go back to sleep, Hepatia.
108 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 01:02 pm Report abuse
On another thread,

en.mercopress.com/2014/06/17/argentina-will-pay-92-of-restructured-bonds-hopefully-100-of-debt-but-will-not-accept-extortions?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=aviso_comentarios#comments

@134

Hepatia forgets to change his login name and instead of answering as BRITISH BOMBER, is revealed to be HEPATIA.

British bomber = Hepatia

You blew it !!
109 Vestige (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 01:14 pm Report abuse
103 - just my opinion you say. well thats just your opinion isn't it.

Anglo - “A lot of blabber about dictionary meaning”.
lol. yeah. Don't let the dictionary get in the way whatever you do.

thesaurus.com/browse/part
thesaurus.com/browse/member

Synonyms for member
;noun part of a group

An associate member.
An associate part.

Associate; having a rank or position that is below the highest level in a group, organization, etc.

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/associate

Seems like Chile are a lower ranked part within an organization.
But maybe thats just gad-dam fancy dictionary book talk.

Now that I've finished that....Stepping back away from my experiment we can see that your using of grammatical pedantry in a phailed attempt to troll has horribly backfired.

And in ironic ways that you didn't even see. Trololololol.
110 dab14763 (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 03:08 pm Report abuse
102 Hepatia

Here's your chance to answer. What happened in 2012 that would make the UK give (not give back) the Falklands to Argentina in 25 years?
111 Leiard (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 05:38 pm Report abuse
I wonder who is pulling puppet Vestige's strings.

“Now that I've finished that....Stepping back away from my experiment we can see that your using of grammatical pedantry in a phailed attempt to troll has horribly backfired. ”
112 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 08:11 pm Report abuse
Verbiage

The significance of your statement, “ ... Chile is a member of Mercosur” is to imply that their attitude towards the Falklands is the same as the FULL Members, Aargh, Uruguay, Brazil, Venezuela, and Brazil.

Those are the ONLY countries that permitted to argue and set policy.

Chile cannot set policy.
Chile is not bound by Mercosur rules or agreements with other trading blocks.
Chile is free to “associate” with the UK or FI, as they please.
Chile has agreements with the EU outside of Mercosur
Chile is a Full member of the Pacific Alliance - the Mercosur States are not.

Sorry Vestige, you either mis-spoke or you deliberately tried to misrepresent the character of Chile regards trade with the FI.

Clever Chile, though. They are doing whatever they like while placating you loonies with lip-service only.

LOL !!!
113 Anglotino (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 09:09 pm Report abuse
Leiard
Leaners of English have trouble with noun adjuncts because they see the two words separately without realising that they now mean something different.

Troy
I know how funny was that. It was noticeable enough that we both saw it at the same time. I sometimes think it might be poor Nostrils all alone in Argentina.

But I do love it when sock puppets are exposed.

Ooh another noun adjunct. When can't you wear a sock? When it is a sock puppet.
114 Vestige (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 09:09 pm Report abuse
Tell me more troy.

You'll get that crumb yet.
115 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
101 Verbiage

“Well, if you ask me, which you do, its morally right to discourage growth of the settler population, at least while it retains its current political outlook. ”

I think you are confusing “moral persuasion” with “naked extortion”, JMO of course ;-)

114 Verbiage

“Tell me more... etc. taunt etc. ...”

so, you have nothing in the way of any reasoned argument to refute @113, then??

No, I thought not.
116 Vestige (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 10:21 pm Report abuse
lololol.

Your frustration only makes my e-p**** harder.
117 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 10:25 pm Report abuse
and still no argument from you... hopeless.

PMSL

:-D
118 Anglotino (#) Jun 19th, 2014 - 12:00 am Report abuse
That is how most of them end up Troy.

They think they have finally hit in some foolproof argument only to realise that they are proof of being a fool.

Wasn't there a sock on here recently that used to gloat about how he enjoy the frustration he thought he'd caused?
119 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 19th, 2014 - 12:34 am Report abuse
“They think they have finally hit in some foolproof argument only to realise that they are proof of being a fool.”

... and Vestige has spluttered and died, out of steam twice in one thread - bullsh!t he can't back up.

“Wasn't there a sock on here recently that used to gloat about how he enjoy the frustration he thought he'd caused?”

....honestly, I don't remember who or when.
I think a number of them say that, a face saver when their facile arguments fizzle and blow up in their faces.
120 Ekeko (#) Jun 19th, 2014 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
#102

Your back!

You never did divulge where your belief in us policy would make the uk passively give up the falklanders in direct contravention of un dictat......

Try again??

I'm all ears.......
121 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 19th, 2014 - 11:30 pm Report abuse
102 Hepatia

Hepatia, British Bomber!!

Speak, speak, enlighten us all !!!

What US policy would induce the UK to sacrifice the Falklanders to the grasping fascists of Argentina???
122 Clyde15 (#) Jun 20th, 2014 - 10:34 am Report abuse
Why is it that when I read Hepatia.s posts I hear the voice of a Dalek uttering the words. EXTERMINATE....EXTERMINATE !!!
123 lsolde (#) Jun 20th, 2014 - 10:51 am Report abuse
Hepatia, shown up for what you are……dishonest.
Why should we listen to you?
You tell lies.
You are in good company in Argentina, because they tell lies also.
Finito la musica for you, mate.

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