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The movements the Scotland independence vote has arousen in Europe
In Europe's eastern half, the disintegration of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia created many new countries. In Western Europe, however, borders of the old nation states seemed to be carved in stone and although there have been secessionist tendencies, some of them militant, they never seemed to have a shot in reality, according to a Deutsche Welle report from Berlin. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesScotland is holding high the torch of freedom for everyone. Certainly Scots will be individually poorer and the Country may well go bankrupt unable to pay pensions and benefits but what price freedom.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0better together despite Scotland getting more per capita.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0I fully support self-determination for nations that are part of a state.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sometimes multinational states proposer and sometimes they don't. Within the EU umbrella many of these regions would be successful.
Has “arousen” in Europe? Is this some form of Spanglish? Has “aroused” surely.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0lndependence for Mercia(including Yorkshire!) Only joking.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0We need the south-west for supplies of Scrumpy.!
The best fish & chips l ever had was in Norfolk, so we need East Anglia too.
l have relatives in the Borders, loved breakfasts on their farm, so they'll have to stay!
Friends in Wales & London, need them.
Darn it all, we may as well stay together.
If the jigsaw breaks apart,
Sep 15th, 2014 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0one thing is a certainty
one day in the future a man/or woman will want it all united,
call it what you wish, empire or just plain land grabbing,
greed , ambition , whatever,
decisions made today will affect our future descendants
please don't give them the impression that even in the 21st century, we were still acting like were in the 13/16/or eighteenth century,
and still want to be divided,
united we were, united we are, united we should remain.
just my opinion.
When Yugoslavia broke up, the countries were temporarily known as Former Yugoslavia.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, could the remnants of the UK be known as Former UK?
The new campaign slogan - “For FUK's Sake, Vote NO!”
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Sep 15th, 2014 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You obviously haven't tried fish and chips from Whitby, North Yorkshire....
Come on Mercopress....there is no such word in English as AROUSON
Do I have to give you...English lessons as well....?
The movements the Scotland independence vote has aroused in Europe...
Let's hope they don't have a Jim “there's gonna be a reckoning” Sillars in their ranks.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sillars must be short for Silly arse.
@1. Freedom from what? Freedom from English subsidies. Freedom to be defenceless. Freedom to be penned inside scotland. Who's planning to cross the border on an English road? Visas currently cost a minimum of £250. Hey ho, family of four heading for Dover. Add £1,000. And adequate travel and medical insurance. And adequate available funds. Usual conditions for non-EU nationals. Scotland must be excluded from the CTA.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6. No. England, Wales and Northern Ireland will still be the United Kingdom of Britain and Northern Ireland.
Then there'll be scroteland.
I have no doubt that a new industry will flourish north and south of the border devoted to fleecing honest travellers for as much as possible. A return to a modern version of the Border Reivers perhaps.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The independence demo in Barcelona was impressive.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even if Spain blather on about it being constitutionally impossible to let Catalonia have an official referendum, the non-binding one will be interesting if the Catalans vote yes, as the Catalans give twice as much in taxes to Lovejoy as they get back.
.....let me just sneak in on tippy toes....quietly does it...and change that typo to AROUSEN...
Sep 15th, 2014 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....sneak back out again with a beamer and hope nobody notices....
Why aren't you out canvassing?
Sep 15th, 2014 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 014
Sep 15th, 2014 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Canvassing for whom....?
There isn't a single post that I have made ever... that would indicate a support for either camp....
I have argued pro's and cons, but never showed a support for either the Union or the Nats....
I defend Scotland...not a party....
If you can show me otherwise feel free.....
...I am for what is best for me and mine.....it's my life ...not yours, not the UK's.
You forgot the people's republic of South Devon.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You northern monkeys can piss orf. Once we march on Truro and evict the 6-fingered inbred celtic untermensch, we'll be unstoppable.
'' YES '' to Scotland independence...
Sep 15th, 2014 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Twit.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HAHAHAHA.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0EUialand.
2000 of war, barbarism, and utter failure.
Twat.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I told you all long ago, that come the year 2100 I would bet $1000 that the Argentine flag will still be waving.... but NONE of today's European flags will.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So there's going to be no wind in Europe....but windy in Argentina..?...OK....
Sep 15th, 2014 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no future in Europe. Just more wars, ethnic cleansings, religious persecutions, genocides, and terrorism.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just as it has been... forever.
2014
Sep 15th, 2014 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 02100
you wont be alive in 2100 so your bet is rubbish.
......you had best hurry up and visit before it's gone....
Sep 15th, 2014 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...can tell your grandchildren...“yeah I was there...I saw it all before the decline in the 2000's....
I tried to warn them...but it was too late....
I told them I knew better, from all my experience.....they wouldn't listen....thought I was a troll....”
ha ha ha .
Sep 15th, 2014 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@25
Sep 15th, 2014 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is nothing in Europe that I cannot see in Argentina.
I can get on a car here and travel around this country and go to Bariloche (Switzerland), Villa Belgrano (Germany), Lincoln (Ireland), Gaiman (Wales), Rafaela (Italy), Villa Angela (Yugoslavia), Obera (Ukraine, Sweden, and Norway), Daireux (France), Tres Arroyos (Netherlands), Concordia (Basque Country), Junin (Galicia), Hurlingham (England and Scotland), San Rafael (Piedmont), Bahia Blanca (Veneto, Tuscany), San Nicolas (Campania, Sicily)... I have seen all of Europe and it's people, food, and architecture.
I don't need a passport to see the world. And the only country where I can drive on a highway from the Jungle to the Tundra and a glacier.
No need to ever leave.
@ 27 4n conTroll
Sep 15th, 2014 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree, don't EVER leave and DON'T EVER come to Uruguay.
“I have seen all of Europe and it's people, food, and architecture.”
Sep 15th, 2014 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In Argentina!
How parochial and naïve.
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Sep 15th, 2014 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So....what are the medieval castles of Argentina like....anything like Carcassonne in Southern France...the scale is huge a whole town inside it....
How about the Roman walled city of York with it's huge Minster...anything like that....
Ever been to Rome or Venice it's quite difficult to put into words.....London the place is steeped in history....
.....try climbing up to the Acropolis of Athens...anything like that there....
.....to see and wonder at the birth of civilisation is something else.....
...all these things are a couple of hours flight for me.....a weekend break in Rome for less than a hundred quid.....
I don't doubt that Argentina has some terrific natural beauty....but it's not the world and it's not Europe.....
Visit....then make your mind up......
I can get on a car here and travel around this country and go to Bariloche (Switzerland),
Sep 15th, 2014 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not without a boat , or unless you are not in Argentina but in Europe, troll then..lol
My gut feeling is this this will be NO in the end, I don't want to see our IK broken up but I am painfully sick of listening to Scots and what they want.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0If they do get their independence, I am sure they will have a great party, but the hangover will last the rest of their lives. This article adequately demonstrates that getting into the EU will be a tough task and I just can't see them letting then in and providing a road map to many other independence movements.
A future shadowing the pound. They must be mad!
I think the way the English are bending over to appease the Scots is embarrassing.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0I find it ironic (and very dim-minded on the part of the ENGLISH), that they point the finger at the continental EUians about the Euro-crisis being caused because countries were currency-linked but all ran their own budgets without a strong overseeing power (Central Bank and government).
Yet they are promising the Scots far more “devolution” f they vote no.
In essence, they would be creating a mini “Euro-zone”, where countries in the British Isles share the currency but each can run their budgets and deficits and spend as they see fit, without a strong central authority.
That's also gonna end badly.
So the UK will become more federated than centralised.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hardly a bad thing considering different forms of federation are characteristic of some of the world's most successful countries..... US, Canada, Switzerland, Germany, Australia....
And some not so successful countries such as Brazil, Argentina, Russia, India and Nigeria.
I'm pretty sure I know which side of the ledger any British federative structure will fall on.
whether the YES or NO vote win.The damage has been done.The UK and Scotland relationship will not be like before.............
Sep 16th, 2014 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34
Sep 16th, 2014 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This post was an embarrassment. You have not a clue about government layout.
The UK is not even remotely a federation now, and even less if it stays intact. It is exactly becoming a customs and currency union.
Australia a success like the US or Germany? HAHAHAHAHA.
Refrerendums are to ask secondary subjects and must be adressed to everybody, not only Scotland, and the President that allows the referéndum should be neutral.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your president said he would accept the decission of “falkklanders” referéndum (ilegal) why not of scotland too??
And why cannot scotish peple living abroad vote, while malvineros also living abroad could vote??'
www.lanacion.com.ar/1727669-el-funcionario-de-malvinas-escoces-que-se-quedara-en-las-islas-pese-al-referendum
President President President President President President
Sep 16th, 2014 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Repeat please----repeat please
President President President President President President
O great malen, please name this Scottish / English / British president.
ta,
@37 malen,
Sep 16th, 2014 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lf our referendum was illegal, what does that make Argentina's occupation of Patagonia & stolen Paraguayan land?
Even more illegal?
Who says that our referendum was illegal? Only Argentina?
Don't make me laugh.
The UN says that we are doing nothing wrong.
You need to wake up & stop chasing the dragon.
37 no reply, no interest , no truth.
Sep 17th, 2014 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0isolde babe
Sep 17th, 2014 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the whole mercosur and the rest of america consider that joke of referendum illegal.
http://www.mercosur.int/p_searchresult.jsp?query=malvinas
Polly
Sep 17th, 2014 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FFS open you mind a little.
That is the evidence of an illegal referendum, MERCOSUR, the thugs and crooks club?
If you ever mean to be taken seriously on here you need to start thinking for yourself for once.
@41 paulcedron,
Sep 17th, 2014 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0pauliboy, we consider mercosur to be a corrupt, biased, illegal operation.
So your views don't count.
ln our country, our views DO count.
Try to have a nice evening.
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