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Argentina pays homage to UK military officer for helping identify soldiers fallen in 1982

Saturday, March 24th 2018 - 07:17 UTC
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Families of Argentine soldiers killed in the 1982 South Atlantic conflict with Britain have paid homage to a former British army officer who helped recover and rebury with dignity and precision their loved ones in a Falkland Islands cemetery, which would become the Argentine military cemetery or memorial. Read full article

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  • Marc1

    Why didn't the fallen soldiers have dog tags?

    Mar 24th, 2018 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Think

    'Cause they weren't issued any...

    Mar 24th, 2018 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    Respect for the fallen. Dignity, honour and remembrance.

    Mar 24th, 2018 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Think

    Pucha q'estay sentimental-oide esta tarde..., Mambrú....
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=64s&v=DEHJLd8QRz8

    Mar 24th, 2018 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    What in hells did I just watch?

    Mar 24th, 2018 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    A convoluted mate for a straight arrow...
    http://en.mercopress.com/data/cache/noticias/63380/0x0/1-kent-cardozo-avjul.jpg

    Mar 24th, 2018 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Incorrect about the coffins- Col.Cardozo buried each one in a double body bag as there were no coffins. Now yes - each of those who were exhumed, was placed in a coffin and reburied.

    Mar 24th, 2018 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Think

    Mr. Timlander1...

    Incorrect about the coffins..., alright...

    ... And quite cheap to use a straight shooter as Mr. Cardozo to sneak untoward comments as...:
    ***“ When the war was over and the retreating Argentine forces abandoned their dead comrades, Cardozo assembled a..........”***

    Mar 24th, 2018 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Veteran

    The United Kingdom will not return the Falkland Islands without the agreement of the citizens of the Falkland Islands. This is highly unlikely to happen given the degree of bellicose mutterings from the Argentine Government.

    Mar 25th, 2018 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Islander1

    Thnk,
    you are correct, in most cases all Argentines who were killed in bombardments or whatever were indeed pretty promptly buried by their comrades albeit in temporary mass graves as in the Stanley civilian cemetery. The British did exactly the same with theirs on land taking them back to a temporary cemetery just by the Ajax Bay field hospital, others were taken to and buried at Teal Inlet from the final battle battle hills around Stanley to the north.
    As the Argentines were at the end falling back rapidly they had no means nor time to bury their dead - I imagine the British had the same problem in 1940 at Dunkirk and many of their war dead would have been collected and buried by the Germans after.
    Have no doubt that under the circumstances both sides did their best for theirs and the other sides dead - there was a war going on after all.

    Mar 25th, 2018 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Roger Lorton

    https://www.lanacion.com.ar/2105680-malvinas-donde-estan-enterrados-y-quienes-son-los-soldados-identificados-en-2017

    Mar 26th, 2018 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Mr. Timlander1...
    Chapeau, monsieur...

    Mar 26th, 2018 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Liv

    England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.

    Mar 26th, 2018 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Think

    Nice bagpipes...

    Mar 26th, 2018 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ricardito

    The British army, the “enemy”, has demonstrated to be more humane than the Argentinian high rank military in 1982. Lest we forget.

    Mar 26th, 2018 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    TWIMC...

    Ain't nobody in here going to ask why the Argentinean soldiers weren't issued no dog tags...?

    Mar 27th, 2018 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Lol, I didn't know you so desperately wanted to tell us. Okay, why weren't the Argentinean soldiers issued no dog tags?

    Mar 27th, 2018 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    They had run out of blank ones?

    Mar 27th, 2018 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    They had gobs of blank ones..., copper...

    Mar 27th, 2018 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    So I hear :-)

    Mar 27th, 2018 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Chucklesome...

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTo45zd68GmT49tj7nXq0c8qmKkPEyMFiliFYiK5GVW6hDGoE1s

    Mar 27th, 2018 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    Thank you very much, Mr. Tim Miller and Mr. Geoffrey Cardozo, eternally grateful.

    Mar 27th, 2018 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Sooooo, why didn't they have any, Think?

    Mar 27th, 2018 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Lol, I didn't know you so desperately wanted to know why the Argentinean soldiers weren't issued no dog tags...!
    But... You didn't say pleeeeeeease..., lad...

    Mar 27th, 2018 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    Oh sod off.

    Mar 27th, 2018 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Stoker

    Seemed to go smoothly enough
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-43552745/the-argentine-families-finding-closure-in-the-falklands
    They couldn't resist a “Viva la patria” at the end.

    Mar 27th, 2018 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    On that subject, what is up with the (lack of) news here? It's not like nothing has happened in South America in the last two days, there should be articles on the trip to the Falklands and on Lula's verdict at least, and if they are going to include world news then where is the dreadful fire in Siberia?

    Mar 27th, 2018 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    “Trip to the Falklands”...?
    What trip to the Falklands...?
    Did Pocklington's Mayor visit again...?

    Mar 27th, 2018 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Roger Lorton

    Veni, Vidi, Vanish

    Came, Saw, Left

    What's more to be said.

    Mar 27th, 2018 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lozowski

    Marc1
    Because at the time of being buried they did not have any identification (generally, a circular plaque they carry), and at that time there were no scientific and technological advances to identify the corpses like the ones we have today.

    Mar 30th, 2018 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Sr. Lozowski...

    La pregunta de Mr. Marc1 es...: WHY...?..., o sea...:“PORQUÉ”...?

    WHY........................., at the time of being buried didn't our soldiers have any identification...?
    (Specifically in 1982..., a 3.5 cm circular aluminum plaque wIth the Argentinean national emblem stamped on its obverse)...

    Do you know WHY...?

    Mar 30th, 2018 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    It says in the Sun that the Argentine conscripts were barely through training so hadn't been issued with dogtags yet.

    I also found this sad account:

    *****

    During one interview with ex-enlisted Argentine youngmen, the group recounted the true sorry state of Argentina's lack of preparation. Here is an excerpt from the researcher's fieldnotes.

    One of the young men turned to me and asked,“Senora have you ever seen an Argentine dogtag?” He then produced from his pocket a little round disk of aluminum with a piece of paper taped with Scotch tape. He then asked me to read the dogtag. I was completely unable to decipher the figures.He turned to his friends and said. “ See she doesn't even know what she's looking at. She can't even read the tag.”He then explained that after wearing the dogtag for only a few days the heat and sweat of a person's body would make the ink run and the dogtag was useless.

    Apparently I looked stunned and another young man spoke up. “Well he was lucky. We didn't have any identification tags. I got up every morning in the Malvinas and wrote my name and address on my arm in ballpoint ink. Of course, you can imagine that the ink ran and in a few hours there was nothing but a smudge on my arm. And then after a few days, my pen ran out. Senora do you know the terror that it means to a person to think that they will die and no one will know where you are buried? Your mother will never know. Your body will never go back home and no one will ever visit your grave”.

    Continues...

    Mar 30th, 2018 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    As I told the Brummie copper above..., the Argie military farces had gobs of blank dog tags...
    So... the Sun story is..., as usual..., pure horse manure...

    The researcher's fieldnotes may vey well be true..., but they still don't explain why our Argie soldiers weren't issued any dog tags...

    Mar 30th, 2018 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    ...

    Then a third entered the conversation.“ I know how you feel. I worried and worried about my family and about being thrown in a hole with no one knowing where I was buried. I didn't have any dogtags either. I had a lot of letters from my family. So I found a piece of plastic and wrapped the letters up in the plastic. I wanted to wrap them up in plastic because I thought that if I got hit and bled alot the plastic would protect my letters.Then whoever found me would look in my pockets and would know that this body had to belong to this return address with all these letters”.

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:n88aR2YXTa0J:www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a193790.pdf+&cd=13&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

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    *****
    The Sun's story didn't say they had no blank dog tags, just that they hadn't got round to issuing them to new trainees yet. If they had blank ones it explains why they could hand them out for soldiers to tape their details onto, but to me it sounds like they just didn't care enough to get them properly engraved.

    Mar 30th, 2018 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    DemonTree...

    You say that the Sun says that the Argie soldiers...: “Hadn't been issued with dogtags ”YET“...

    ”YET”...?

    As I said before... The Sun is full of Bullcaca... But please..., feel free to read it...

    Properly engraved Argie conscripted soldier dog tags are rarer than hens' teeth....
    Mind you... every year..., for about 90 years..., the Argie State got billed by their Armed Farces for tens of thousend shiny and properly engraved ones...
    All them bills nicely archived...

    Good thing we got rid with the compulsory military service...

    Mar 30th, 2018 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    So it was down to good old corruption, even when the armed forces were running the Argie State and could have given themselves as much money as they wanted.

    And yeah, it is a good thing. Now you just need to get rid of your military altogether. The sailors on the ARA San Juan were all volunteers.

    Mar 30th, 2018 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Let's put it this way...
    If there was an Armed Farces Olympics...
    The Argie Armed Farces would be a given Gold Medalist...

    Mar 30th, 2018 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Whats up Twinkle, have Airfix pulled the plug? Is it time for another rollover. They should tell your Navy that its ok to do it in their canoes but they should desist from doing it with ships…

    Mar 30th, 2018 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Why did you even have compulsory military service? It's not like there's many wars down there in South America and Argentina stayed neutral in the world wars.

    Mar 30th, 2018 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Why did you all..., northern caucasian and mongolians had (and many still have)... compulsory military service..., more or less on the same time period as Argentina did...? It's not like the many wars up there in Eurasia and Engeland were difficulted byr the lack of brInwashed cannon fodder...

    The answer..., me friend..., is... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vWwgrjjIMXA

    Mar 30th, 2018 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Don't ask me, Britain only introduced conscription for the two world wars, and they really did need all the men they could get for those. And we must have fought 10 times as many wars as Argentina.

    I just looked it up, and Argentina had mandatory military service from 1901 to 1995. I'm surprised it was so recent, I'd kind of assumed it would have ended when democracy was restored. Does that mean you were in the army too, Think?

    Mar 30th, 2018 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Conscription in the UK ended in the late 1950s. The Russians in particular were still viewed as a massive threat. The Cold War was still going strong then and the V Bomber force replaced manpower as our best defence. I missed conscription by a year. Because it was for two years it could be quite disruptive to your early career if you were training for a profession.

    Mar 31st, 2018 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Are you glad you didn't have to do it? Several of my friends suggested I join the army when I was looking for a permanent job after Uni, I don't know what they were thinking. I'm sure I wouldn't have fitted in at all.

    Mar 31st, 2018 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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