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Argentine judge is requesting Congress to strip Cristina Fernandez of parliamentary immunity

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Argentine Federal judge Claudio Bonadio will present a formal request to Congress to strip ex president and Senator Cristina Fernández de Kirchner of her parliamentary immunity. Bonadio's move against CFK, for which she risks immediate arrest, is part of an investigation into an alleged giant bribery and corruption ring that spanned over a decade of the Kirchner couple's rule and involves high-profile businesspeople, politicians and magistrates. Read full article

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  • falklandlad

    Bountiful fishing in the harvesting - lots of hooks (baited and un-baited), lines and sinkers laid down!

    Aug 03rd, 2018 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • FI_Frost

    “lock her up!”

    Aug 03rd, 2018 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Chicureo

    It really breaks my heart that this brave courageous woman might have to face the indignity of being stripped of immunity. Dang, she could might even end up rotting in prison... Makes me smile...

    Aug 03rd, 2018 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +11
  • Enrique Massot

    See how those who had discretely disappeared in the last months suddenly rear their ugly heads believing a prey is available.

    Unfortunately, as shallow and uninformed readers, they swallowed the Argentine government's hook, line and sinker.

    Had they done their due diligence, they would have learned that the famous notebooks have quickly become just photocopies of said notebooks, after a fishing expedition of prosecutor Stornelli failed to yield results.

    And so, based on copies of an alleged journal kept by a driver, judge Claudio Bonadio has ordered the detention of 14 former officials and is trying -- again -- to get CFK.

    There is no word as of now of anything else than the writing of a driver who, strangely, offers such improbable knowledge as the amounts in dollars, supposedly bribe money that would have been transported in bags by Kirchner government officials.

    In one description, the driver offers a calculation of the amount of money in a backpack which, “according to its weight, it would have contained U$S 300,000.”

    Of course, for a government besieged by extremely alarming economic numbers and denunciations of fictitious contributors to the elections of 2015 and 2017, this appears as a much-needed PR exercise, bound to divert attention for some time.

    Sorry. Try again, Chicureo & Co.

    Aug 03rd, 2018 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -10
  • FitzRoy

    Apparently, she was head of a democracy!

    Aug 04th, 2018 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Shicureo...
    It really breaks my heart that the brave courageous families of the ARA San Juan crew are facing the indignity of being criminalized by your indecent Argie brothers in arms.... Dang, they should rot in prison... Milicos make me sick...

    Aug 04th, 2018 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Chicureo

    My dear Enrique,
    No need to say any unkind words about “ugly heads” because an injured prey is vulnerable... It's just difficult feeling empathy for an injured poisonous viper... No matter how “shallow and uninformed” the majority of us see her for what she really is... A hideous old venomous snake.

    Estimado THINK,
    Señor Shicureo ACTUALLY is sincerely sympathetic of the courageous families of the ARA San Juan crew are facing the indignity of being criminalized by YOUR government. We milicos on the other side of the Andes, do not agree with how our “Argie brothers in arms” have been handling the post submarine disaster.
    Sorry if my post caused you any indigestion...

    Aug 04th, 2018 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    And we..., a ever growing number of civiles on every side of the Andes, do not agree with how our “Milico brothers” have been handling the post independence disaster...
    Sorry if my post cause you any indigestion...

    Aug 04th, 2018 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -7
  • Chicureo

    Estimado THINK,

    Curious and curiouser...“the ever growing number of civiles on every side of the Andes” you refer to... you say do not agree with WHAT time period of “post independence disaster” Post 1973? ...after 1990...? Perhaps somewhere in your imagination...???
    Frankly you disappoint me... I would have expected something better from you.

    Aug 05th, 2018 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    WHAT time period of “post independence disaster”..., you ask...?
    ~ Post this picture..., I say...:
    https://portal.andina.pe/EDPfotografia2/Thumbnail/2010/11/29/000142168W.jpg

    “I would have expected something better from me”..., you say...
    I have expected anything good from you, South American milicos all me life, I say...
    Please be so kind to enlighten me about any heroic historical feat I may have missed...

    Aug 05th, 2018 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -7
  • Chicureo

    THINK

    Well you certainly chose a noble painting, portraying independence. For some reason I would think you would have preferred instead something from my country's golden period of Marxist-Socialist independence:
    https://telesurtv.net/english/multimedia/Fidel-Castros-1971-Visit-to-Salvador-Allende-in-Chile-20171110-0022.html
    ...Milicos...

    Aug 05th, 2018 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Cheshire_Cat

    I long for the day when Argentina can be finally free from this Peronist mafia. Watching them squirm in front of judges for their massive corruption is not enough. When they are jailed and their miserable party finally gets 1% of the vote and is sent into the dustbin of history, only then will Argentina be able to move forward and regain its historical position as a wealthy, peaceful, open and democratic society, as it was before the 1930 coup destroyed what until then was a stable, open, wealthy free market republic.

    When these crypto-fascist ghosts are finally exorcised from the Senate, from the Chamber of Deputies, from the trade unions, and Peron finally acknowledged as the closet fascist, hateful, nation-wrecking tyrant that he was, only then will we be whole again.

    Aug 05th, 2018 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +8
  • Enrique Massot

    @CC

    If I follow, you wish Argentina to become again ”a peaceful, open and democratic society (and) wealthy free market republic.“

    I couldn't agree more.

    Now, in order to accomplish these goals, you argue Peronists must be ”exorcised“ from Congress and trade unions.

    ”Only then will Argentina be able to move forward...“

    I will suggest eliminating a political movement is a strange way of building a ”peaceful, open and democratic society.”

    Aug 06th, 2018 - 06:05 am - Link - Report abuse -7
  • Chicureo

    Our deluded Enrique is no doubt a cheerleader for peaceful, open and democratic republics like Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela as well.

    I would assume Cheshire Cat's reason for arguing that Peronists need to be ”exorcised“ from Congress and trade unions is because he clearly sees them as the cancer that they truly are...

    Aug 06th, 2018 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Conqueror

    @EM. Let's take an example from a period of history that overlaps the Peronist political movement. Since it was, evidently and reportedly, a mentoring influence on Peronism. Do you think it would have been a good idea to “eliminate” the National Socialist German Worker's Party? Preferably around 1920?

    Aug 06th, 2018 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +7
  • Chicureo

    Conqueror

    Doubtful Enrique will be brave enough to respond...
    ...brilliant question on your part.

    Aug 06th, 2018 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Ahhhhhhh...

    The good auld “Reductio ad Hitlerum”
    A notoriously fallacious debate tactic..., completely dissected and discredited some 70 short years ago...
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum

    On the same spirit one could asks the Anglophiles above... if they Think it would have been a good idea to “eliminate” the Engrish Monarchy..? (Preferably around King Egbert's time... ;-)

    Doubtful they will have la hombría de bien to respond...
    ...Turnipy argument on their part...

    Aug 07th, 2018 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse -5
  • imoyaro

    Look at Gauchito Drink, long a supporter on National Socialism, like his despicable “Kamerad/Komrade, Rique,” with their support of the Narcokleptocracy, rushing to support for drug running. Can't wait to read about a “meth head” showing up at his home and delivering justice, eh, Rique?

    Aug 07th, 2018 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    I don't agree that Conq's post is the usual Hitler fallacy. The point is whether eliminating a political movement could ever be good for democracy, which is a legitimate question. Ending a movement that is explicitly opposed to democracy, freedom and openness would certainly appear to qualify, but it kind of depends on how you go about 'eliminating' it, and whether that is even possible. Seems to me that most actions aimed at eliminating a political movement would also sabotage the very democracy, freedom and openness you are supposed to be protecting...

    As for Cheshire Cat's post, I'd like to know why he blames Peronism for Argentina's problems when he says they date to the coup in 1930, long before Peron took power. Maybe Peronism is a symptom of the real problems and not the cause?

    Aug 07th, 2018 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Ahhhhhhh THINK

    ”Reductio ad Hitlerum” One has to belong to the Peronist intelligentsia to not see the similarities: no rational man could be such a fool not to realize that.

    Aug 07th, 2018 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    @DT

    As usual, you have dissected the postulate of Don Gato that the ills of Argentina started with Peronism...in 1930. I could not have said it better.

    Meanwhile, I am glad to see back some of the more irreductible MP neoliberal cheerleaders, after the latest news gives them a glimmer of hope that not all is lost for bad pupil Mauricio Macri. It would be boring without their contributions to this forum!

    In any event, let's hope they keep commenting here when the effects of the IMF austerity measures begin to show in Argentina. Perhaps they'll gift us with their particular views of Argentine history.

    Aug 07th, 2018 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    The Argentine government had an expensive and lengthy independent study on how to resolve Argentina's economic problems. They came up with two solutions.
    One practical and the other miraculous.
    The practical solution would be for the Virgin Maria to descend from Heaven with a trillion Dollars as a gift.
    The miraculous solution would be for Argentines to work harder and expect less from their government...

    Aug 07th, 2018 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    You're right, they should expect less: less cheating, less corruption, less incompetence. Less borrowing from the IMF. Less inflation, less recession, and less unemployment.

    It's hard to work harder when you don't have a job.

    Aug 07th, 2018 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    “...less cheating, less corruption, less incompetence. Less borrowing from the IMF. Less inflation, less recession, and less unemployment...”
    You are perhaps are referring to my beloved Chile?

    Aug 07th, 2018 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Maybe so. Would you prefer Macri to Piñera, or even Bachelet?

    Aug 07th, 2018 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    With all respect, it's ridiculous for a Chilean to suggest ANY Argentine politician.
    Saying that, and considering Macri's deficiencies, he's still light years ahead of the wicked Cristina and her flying monkeys.

    Aug 07th, 2018 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • imoyaro

    And now Boudou has been jailed for 5 years 10 months, banned from office for life, and has to pay a hefty fine...

    http://www.thebubble.com/boudou-last-words-ciccone/

    Aug 08th, 2018 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    Okay, so Bachelet >> Macri, and Argentines only have crap choices.

    But why do you think Macri is better than CFK? So far as I can see the country is currently in a similar state to when he took over - high inflation, high unemployment, high poverty, incipient recession - with the addition of US$100bn of debt and the shackles of an IMF loan. Not exactly an improvement.

    Aug 08th, 2018 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    Macri doubtfully will be able to resolve the massive problems from the past several decades. Cristina is in my modest opinion belongs in the same league as Nicolas Maduro.

    Aug 08th, 2018 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Now that does seem unfair. CFK tried to change the constitution to give herself a third term, like so many leaders in Latin America, but after she failed she left office at the appointed time, and didn't try to interfere in the elections. Not so Maduro, who removed power from the National Assembly as soon as the opposition got a majority, jailed opposition polititions on flimsy grounds, suppressed the attempt at a recall referendum, and finally created the constituent assembly to allow him to change any law he wants.

    Plus, Maduro strikes me as a follower who never should have become leader and is way out of his depth. I don't get the same vibe from CFK.

    Aug 08th, 2018 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    DT

    You miss the point. I agree comparing CFK with Maduro is perhaps a poor example. What is clear to many of us is that Cristina is deeply corrupt.
    Anyway, this thread seems now nearly dead. cheers!

    Aug 08th, 2018 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Maduro is not primarily known for corruption, so you might have made your point better with a different comparison.

    While it is clear to me that something is rotten in the state of Argentina, I'm not so sure whether it is CFK or the judges pursuing her, so I will reserve judgement. Think seems to believe she is innocent...

    Aug 08th, 2018 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Enrique Massot

    @DT

    ”(CFK) left office at the appointed time, and didn't try to interfere in the elections.“

    Excellent matter-of-fact arguments, which have forced Chicureo to abandon this thread after assessing its ”near death.“

    An additional point I would like to make about C. Cat is that his postings illustrate the hate that opponents to, first Juan Peron and then to Nestor and Cristina Kirchner used to display.

    Same as C. Cat, the Argentine oligarchy dreamed of deleting Perón from history as a blight that should have never happened.

    It's difficult for somebody who hasn't lived in Argentina or similar countries the hate and the fear that the ultra wealthy feel for the populace and Peronism. Many who are not ultra wealthy borrow and use the same language because doing that makes them feel closer to those with power and money.

    After Juan Peron was deposed in a 1955 bloody coup, the military who took power issued a decree-law that penalized with up to six years imprisonment anybody using ”images, symbols, signs, significant expressions, doctrine, stories and artistic works“ representatives of peronism.

    The military forbade to name Juan Domingo Perón and Eva Perón by name, and as a result newspapers used ”the deposed tyrant“ or similar to refer to Perón.

    When growing up, modest individuals I would said to me, in a low voice, ”no government gave me what Peron gave me.“

    And so, after 17 years of dreaming his ultimate demise, Juan Peron returned home and become president in a landslide election.

    Now, using the ”corruption” argument, president Mauricio Macri dreams of dealing a final blow to Peronism.

    He won't succeed, of course. To cause the demise of Peronism, someone would need to come up with a better alternative.

    Ain't happened to date.

    Aug 09th, 2018 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +1

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