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Montevideo, August 15th 2018 - 10:49 UTC
Brazil had a record number of murders last year, with homicides rising 3.7% from 2016 to 63,880 according to a study released on Thursday, just months before a presidential election in which violence has become a key issue. Read full article
What I find hard to understand is why the media, including the internet, focuses first on the number of people killed in total and then secondly on the number of people killed by the police. It is almost impossible to find the number of law enforcement officers (Police Militar, Police Civil, Guarda Civil, Officers Penitenciária and others) killed by the criminals. Maybe the media is scared of any backlash by the Alternate Government.
Did you even read the article? It mentions that the figures include police killed on duty and doesn't mention suspects killed by the police at all.
Most people who read/watch the media do not work in law enforcement, so the number of police killed is not likely to be the first thing on their mind. What is this 'Alternate Government'? Another name for the deep state conspiracy?
What the media should report, besides the total number of casualties (which they have), is how may cops are killed....it's what I've said before, the media highlights what suits them, giving the impression the cops are always to blame, and unimportant.
I don't know the exact numbers, but it seems clear that most deaths are caused by rivarly between criminal factions (run by their leaders from inside the prisons), drug gangs (shootouts or revenge ambushes), followed by confrontations with the police....then common/random street crime (robbery followed by homicide), and finally murders committed by deranged people for any amount of reasons. The fact is that it all boils down to one hell of a lack of respect for human life, and the way it is being addressed is getting nowhere.
Would say that MW's 'alternate government' refers to the criminal factions, whose tentacles are far reaching and know no limits.
Does the government even collect statistics on how many police are killed while on/off duty? If so I'd be interested to see them and compare it to the number of suspects killed by police.
'alternate government' refers to the criminal factions
Really? I can see how the local media might be afraid of them, but global news agencies? Unless they have links with the non-alternative government, of course...
I haven't time to write a long reply, at least until Sunday, but you can put one of your three here if you want to.
The fact that news updates the number of cops killed, virtually every second or third day, I presume the government has stats.
Reason why I presume alternate government refers to the drug/crime gangs, is because they are the only force to be reckoned with besides official government, with the power to dictate rules in territories they dominate.....why the media might be afraid of them ? Obviously, global news agencies, no....but a few reporters / cameramen (who cover crime in the streets) caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, or seen as divulging what does not interest the gangs, have been assassinated....
Thanks for the space - I still have two posts to go - but I've used up too much here to be able to use what remains...
The fact that news updates the number of cops killed, virtually every second or third day
If that's the case then why exactly are you and MW complaining that the media ignores them?!
And I can quite believe it would be dangerous for local journalists to cross the gangs, but this article in Mercopress is almost certain to have come from a global news agency.
”If that's the case then why exactly are you and MW complaining that the media ignores them?!'
Relatively speaking, in comparison with 'other victims', they ARE (ignored); in the case of victims of stray bullets (77 in Rio alone, in 2018), in which it's sometimes impossible to determine where the bullet came from, most rush to blame the cops, and speculate where and what the cops were doing at the time; or people caught in the middle of shootouts - in the streets or in the 'favelas'; or the death of the member of a drug gang, or even the case last week of a lady being hit in the head by a bullet while waiting to be operated on in a hospital, during just one more frequent confrontation between two rival gangs on the top of hills on opposite sides of the hospital, the news makes a meal out of it, while the death of a cop is usually announced in a laconic manner, as if it were no more than their obligation to simply update the stats.
Reporting on crime generally, never caused any danger, only when some reporter insists on investigating and exposing specific gangs and their crimes....one such reporter from TV Globo, Caco Barcellos, who used to do that - and still does - has had his life threatened several times.
Mark Whelan said it's almost impossible to find the number of law enforcement officers killed by the criminals, yet according to you they update the count every few days. Strange.
How many cops have been killed this year so far? Is it more or less than the number of people killed by stray bullets? I think some of it is what I said before, that people are more interested in things that could affect them or their friends. Getting hit by a stray bullet could happen to anyone, and you could be caught in a shootout if you were in the wrong place at the wrong time. The amount of attention also depends on how sympathetic the victim was, how dramatic the death, and whether it fits some narrative that is currently popular. I suspect police killings in Brazil have received a lot more attention since they became such an issue in America.
I know Stalin said a million deaths is a statistic, but in some ways the count of victims is the most useful thing to know. It shows whether the problem is increasing or improving, and how big a deal it is in general (a pretty big deal).
Law enforcement officers, as used by MW appears to be far more ample than just 'cops', meaning mainly the 'policia militar' (military police), who are the ones patrolling the streets and getting into direct confrontation with criminals (in 'favelas', while robbing cargoes, blowing up ATM's, stealing cars etc)...I haven't seen stats on other groups, although they must exist, but perhaps included under another title...dunno ; found one stat whereby roughly 190 'law enforcement' offices have been killed in Brazil in 2018, between Jan/July inclusive : 178 were from the military police (70 in Rio, 37 in SP), 11 civilian police, 1 federal....
...whether it fits some narrative that is currently popular.....the general impression I get is that currently, the most popular narrative is the politically correct one....HR questioning why, for ex., in a shootout between police and criminals, why criminals were killed but no cops ?
and when/if cops are killed, well, what did you expect in their line of work ? the criminals always have someone to stand up for them, the cops don't...except other cops.....the HR's and the media's sympathy for dead criminals seems far more than for the cops who lose their lives...
I suspect police killings in Brazil have received a lot more attention since they became such an issue in America....
I'd say so too....the media and HRs make sure the cops get their fair share of negative publicity.
That's a technicality. If they report deaths of cops so regularly, they clearly aren't ignoring them. And seems the number of killed (murdered?) cops is similar to the number shot by stray bullets: 70 vs 77 in Rio, but that doesn't include suspects shot by the cops while attempting arrest.
I don't know about politically correct, but the popular narrative seems to be that the police are too trigger happy, especially when confronting black suspects. However, my experience in the UK is certainly not that criminals get more sympathy than the police. Here are a couple of notable examples, and they got plenty of reporting:
Of course things are very different in the US, and even more so Brazil. I know we've talked about this before and you disagree, but I think it's much more serious if a police officer commits a crime, and also a big problem if their bad judgement leads to people dying needlessly, especially innocent people, but even criminals (ordinary ones at least).
A technicality ? perhaps, but I'm not saying that cops’ deaths are 'ignored', only that they are not given the same attention as a criminal’s. When a criminal is killed, HRs demands an investigation (which will be carried out anyway), could it have been avoided etc, if arrested or injured (they rush to the police precinct / hospital to make sure he's well treated). If a cop is killed, HRs is nowhere to be seen.
The 'favela' residents complain when the cops go in and return 'gang' fire, yet you don't hear them complaining about the drug trafficking going on around them...that's most likely a condition to survive, but when their mobile phone is stolen at gun point or yanked out of their hands in the street, they complain the police aren't there to prevent it (in Rio, roughly 80 mobile phones are robbed per day).
I too am inclined to believe trigger-happiness is the cause of many unintentional kills, but when in the middle of a 'war', you'd probably even shoot your own shadow.
Here, and in my above post I was referring to the situation in Brazil, not the US. So, as to whether it fits some narrative that is currently popular, think this applies more to the US...when a black suspect is killed, people automatically presume the cop was out to kill him, with no intention of arresting him....black communities have become so conditioned to reacting this way, there is little chance of anyone wanting to hear another version...even the real one, like in several cases where later on, it's been proven that the dead suspect was indeed to blame for his own death.
From the point of view that it is expected that cops should be the first to uphold the law, can’t really disagree with you, but you are again basing yourself on the UK, where people actually respect the police, not to mention that it is very unlikely a suspect will be armed, making a precipitated move less likely. As for honoring a cop’s memory, like that of PC Keith Palmer, have never seen that here.
It's kind of sad if cops are never honoured for their bravery in Brazil. Are medals and such not common in general?
Your HR people are just not something I have experienced. When I have seen on the news people protesting police killings, it has been the victim's family and community, or lately groups formed to protest then, because they think there is a problem. Are there any articles that mention the HR activists so I can get a better idea of who they are and what they do?
As for the favela residents, if they think the police coming in makes things worse, maybe they are right. Perhaps they already know how to avoid the drug dealers and gangs and just want to go on with their lives as quietly as possible.
think this applies more to the US
I expect you're right, but IMO the international media are influenced by events and stories from the US when they cover Brazilian news. Probably doesn't apply to media within the country though.
you are again basing yourself on the UK
I don't think the principle depends on the country, just the expected results. If police in the UK killed as much as those in Brazil, then something would be very wrong, but obviously the environment is totally different there. But even if you think it's more like warzone, we do hold soldiers to certain standards, too.
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