Typhoons were flown non-stop to the Falklands with support from ten aircraft
Senior officers from the Royal Air Force have paid tribute to squadrons across Britain following the successful deployment of four Euro-fighter Typhoons to the Falkland Islands.
Following one of the largest peacetime logistical missions of its kind, in the British Service’s history codenamed Operation TyphoonTempest Trail, four of the latest jets touched down in the South Atlantic after travelling 9,000 miles across the globe.
The aircraft, from 11 Squadron RAF Coningsby in Lincolnshire, replace the Tornado F3 fighters from RAF Leuchars in Fife, Scotland, which have completed 17 years service protecting UK interests on the other side of the world.
The touchdown at Mount Pleasant airbase marked the completion of months of planning and dedicated hard work.
“The extent of the challenge should not be underestimated,” said Squadron Leader Pete Morgan, an air-to-air refuelling specialist working for 2 Group at Air Command – the controlling authority for the operation.
“Not only was there a real requirement to deploy the Typhoons to replace the shortly-to-be-retired Tornado F3s, but the UK was also keen to demonstrate its continued ability to force project air power over strategic distances.”
In the event the Typhoon trail involved a total of ten support aircraft from four squadrons flying 280 hours supported by 95 personnel in addition to the fighters and their aircrews.
In a two-stage operation the aircraft were trailed by tankers to Ascension Island, using the Canary Islands as a staging post. From Ascension, they were trailed again to the Falkland Islands without any outside assistance.
Sqn Ldr Morgan said: “As a result, a complicated air-to-air refuelling plan was required with the Ascension to Falkland Islands leg being by far the most challenging.
“The Typhoons were accompanied by a TriStar aircraft throughout, whereas the other air-to-air assets provided fuel at various stages before returning to Ascension; in all, each Typhoon was required to refuel seven times.
“The Falkland Islands-based VC10 aircraft was on hand to provide a final top-up of fuel if required and to enable the Typhoons to divert to the South American mainland had the weather deteriorated unexpectedly during the nine-and-a-half hour transit.”
In addition, Hercules and Nimrod aircraft provided Search and Rescue cover for the long sea transits, and were equipped with survival equipment and spare life rafts that could be dropped to any survivors in the water in the event of an incident that necessitated the Typhoons ditching.
The extent of the back-up required to ensure a successful mission included: two TriStar aircraft from 216 Squadron, RAF Brize Norton in Oxfordshire, which flew a total of 89 hrs and involved 26 personnel; four VC10 aircraft from 101 Squadron, three of which are based at RAF Brize Norton, and one of which is based in the Falkland Islands. Between them, they flew some 87 hours and involved 28 personnel.
Three Hercules C130K aircraft from 70 Squadron, two of which are based at RAF Lyneham in Wiltshire, and one of which is based in the Falkland Islands. Between them, they flew 90 hours and involved 21 personnel.
One Nimrod MR2 from 120 Squadron, RAF Kinloss, in Forres, Morayshire, Scotland, which flew 14 hours and involved 20 personnel.
Throughout the mission, RAF 2 Group remained the controlling authority, with two highly experienced air-to-air refuelling coordinators planning and implementing the trail.
They travelled on the lead TriStar aircraft throughout, maintaining tactical control in the event of any in-flight incidents or emergencies.
Air Officer Commanding 2 Group Air Vice Marshall Steve Hillier said: “This was an impressive achievement across 2 Group involving Tristars, VC-10s, C-130s and a Nimrod MR2, as well as the command and control required to execute a complex air operation at range.
“An immense amount of effort was required by a large number of people, in the air and on the ground, and the whole operation was completed with an exemplary level of capability and professionalism. It was a clear demonstration of the RAF’s ability to exercise reach on a global scale,” he said.
Source and pictures: MoD/RAF
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Cheers.
He's quite right. Argentine equipment is now so out of date, much of it dating back to before 1982, that only 4 Typhoons would probably be more than enough of a deterrent...
I didn't realise you represented all of South America. Does that include French Guyana?
If you think your government needs to spend more on arms, then go ahead, write to your diputado or whatever and tell them your opinion. You live in a democracy don't you? I'm sure if there is any money left after corruption has taken its slice then your government might buy a few second-hand Mausers or something.
Islander, are you out of your mind? Do you still believe we're gonna drop our claim? That will not happen until you sit to negotiate about sovereignty and I certainly think you will have no option. You will do it some day.
Cheers
You're full of nonsense.
Britain does not and never has sought a war.
In 1833, Britain did everything to avoid an armed confrontation. In 1982, Argentina invaded, trying to blame Britain for that is simply ridiculous.
Britain was prepared to sit and negotiate on sovereignty. Not because there was any doubt about Britain's sovereignty. The Falklands weren't important to Britain, they were difficult to support and they were prepared to transfer sovereignty to Argentina if the Falkland Islanders agreed. They didn't, they preferred to remain British and given the policies pursued by Argentina that they did so is perfectly understandable.
And the Falkland Islands are a democracy, they were more democratic than Argentina. Their Government is THEIR choice.
Britain maintains a small force in the South Atlantic, that is totally defensive in nature. It exists purely to deter further Argentine aggression and your posts amongst others clearly demonstrate that aggression is never far from Argentine minds when it comes to the Falklands.
And I've news for you, Britain will NEVER sit down and talk sovereignty on Argentina's terms. We don't and never will talk with a gun to our heads.
And as usual you resort to cheap and gratuitous innuendo. The only fascists in South America are Argentine, people like you that discriminate on the grounds of race. You wouldn't recognise democratic principle if they bit you on the arse.
I know there is some people there who recognise that one day they will have to sit to negotiate. They said it publicly in the british media and they are adults who lived there during the war. I know young people there doesn't think like you and that is good, that show me they're not ignorant fascist and racist worms like you!
Aggressive comment from me? BS
Britain doesn't have an interest in the Falklands, what matters is the people living there, something you just don't get. Britain is also fully prepared to talk to Argentina, if the islanders wish it. Argentina isn't prepared to talk to the islanders, though they've offered talks to Argentina.
The conflict over the islands was started and is sustained by Argentina, your aggressive and confrontational attitude simply drives the islanders away. Britain and the Falklands have moved on, whilst Argentina is still mired in 19th Century recriminations.
Sit and negotiate does not mean we have to capitulate to Argentine demands. As regards to my schooling, I learnt at school to listen to evidence objectively, something that enables you to spot propaganda. A skill it appears you lack in spades.
Ciao.
I love the teeth they have painted on the nose cones. they look hungry.
They are human beings, with human rights; rights guaranteed by the Universal Declation of Human Rights. We see the people as important, you consider them untermenschen in the way of a land grab. As always the mask slips and the rabid racist bile pours out once more.
Do please continue, you do such a wonderful advertisement for Argentine hegemony.
Nobody denie them having human rights, but they do not have rights over a land they/you stolen from us. As your soldiers on iraq and afghanistan have human rights but they do not have rights over Iraq.
How many british propaganda did you eat today?.
every one on the islands knows your air force probes us at least twice aweek, but a soon as the tornados or typhoons go up you hightail it home.
if you want to play come to the party.
We know you will not drop your claim under the present system - you must know that we - nor Britian will ever give in to it either - so stalemate.
IF Argentina were to say, yes we have our claim - but let us sit down and talk about the future options with an open agenda - Not a Fixed Argentine Soveriegn Takeover - then maybe we would have something worth talking about.
Dont forget - that is all the UN asks for - talks - not an automatic Argentine takeover. And because that is what your Govt insists on is the simple reason why the Islands and UK will not talk to you.
Give it an open agenda, end of threats from your side - and with some thinking away from the narrow lines of both sides of the last decades which has happened because of Arg agression - and we might even reach a solution that could satisy everyone.
As for toture - there has never I believe been preplanned Govt sponsored torture by UK for a couple of centuries - but yes war is a pretty uncivilised business and fought by humans - who are then trained to act like aggressive animals - both sides- do that and inevitably there will be the odd unpleasant incident- people are humans and sometimes do things they regret later-both sides in any war. After all in 1982 your army even tortured some of its own soldiers here!
Britain doesn't torture, the worst allegations that have been made (and they are allegations) is that the British intelligence services knew the Americans used torture methods and said nothing. Now, I'll freely admit there is no altruistic reason behind that, the British found a long time ago that torture just happens to be useless in terms of extracting information.
However, if we want to talk about allegations of torture, then as Islander points out your own country doesn't have a shining record in that regard does it. Nor are we just talking about the military dictatorship, conscription ended in Argentina as the result of a torture scandal, long after the return to democracy.
So Luis, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Once again we see the rank hypocrisy in your statement, you allege they don't have any rights because they "stole" the land from you. Where are you living, what is you ethnic origin, how did you get there? Because the answer is Argentina is a former Spanish colony, ripped from its indigenous inhabitants, that the Argentines expanded by marching into Patagonia and exterminating the native population, thats without mentioning Paraguay and the War of the Triple Alliance. All of which are more recent events that the British Return of 1833.
So once again Luis, people in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones.
As regards Iraq, like I have told you many times before, I am one of millions of British people who disagreed with the decision to invade Iraq. I am also one of millions who actively protested that we became involved. So no, I don't swallow propaganda.
And at no point has Britain ever said it intended to stay in Iraq, in case you hadn't noticed the troops left in May.
And as regards Iraq, lets be honest about that. No one in Argentina really cares, its simply a convenient excuse to label anyone British and to justify your inate prejudice.
So once again Luis, people in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones.
And I seriously doubt that Argentina will still be pressing an illogical irredentist claim in a 100 years time. At some point, you've got to come to a realisation that the way you go about it makes you look a bunch of prats,
You are a minor irritation nothing more.
"you may scream, protest, provoke,"
We neither scream, nor protest, nor do we provoke. It wasn't Britain spitting its dummy out at the recent fishing conference, it wasn't Britain that unilaterally tore up existing agreements, it isn't Britain pursuing a spiteful, vindictive, overtly aggressive and ultimately counter productive foreign policy. I think you'll find all of those apply to Argentina.
And whilst the Falkland Islanders have offered talks with an open agenda, Argentina will only talk on the basis of its agenda. And Argentina demands "negotiations" or else.
Argentina 400 miles from the Falklands & Britan 8000 miles from the UK fighting from aircraftcarriers . And the result victory.Now thats saying something .
""How can we sit down and talk to your Govt when it has made it very public it will only accept 1 solution - forced takeover of the population here""
who said that?. give me the link please. As i know, regarding the population, Argentina never claimed the population of the islands, yes we compromised to respect their way of life and interests. we are not interested in capture inhabitants or expell them either. I think you missunderestood it.
Regarding the territorie, Argentina claim to have sovereignty rights, and claim for negotiations with the uk. The Uk claim to have sovereignty rights too but refuse to negotiate.
The negotiation does not implicate the automatic transfer of sovereignty, did you ever in your life saw a negotiation for sovereignty with two nations about disputed land?.
Chile negotiated territories in dispute with Argentina over sovereignty with no obligation of transference nor anything like that. Paraguay did so with Bolivia, Uruguay with Argentina over the Martin Garcia islands, etc.
Justin, in your previous post, i repet what you said:
""They are human beings, with human rights; rights guaranteed by the Universal Declation of Human Rights. ""
while we deal with our past of dictatorship, you are not the queen of human rights, do we agree on this?.
And yes, british did tortured on iraq:
Torture In Iraq May Be Worse Than Under Hussein, Says UN Envoy
http://www.defencetalk.com/torture-in-iraq-may-be-worse-than-under-hussein-says-un-envoy-8194/
Soldiers report British torture of Iraqi civilians
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/may2004/tort-m08.shtml
More British torture in Iraq
http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2008/02/more-british-torture-in-iraq.html
then you said:
""Once again we see the rank hypocrisy in your statement, you allege they don't have any rights because they "stole" the land from you. Where are you living, what is you ethnic origin, how did you get there?""
dont put me out of context. they have rights as everybody, but dont have rights over the lands possetion. And i live in Argentina and was born in Argentina, my parents born here, my father is second generation in Argentina and my mother is a mix of spanish(third generation here) and criollo ( uncountable generations).
Argentina is not a colonial power and donīt want to be that. Itīs a least funny to read that when this comes from a guy that lives in a british colony....errrr...sorry.. a British Overseas Territory.
If someday Malvinas becames part of Argentina, probably Malvinas would be a province, like any province of my country. Please donīt ask me to write all the differences between a province and a colony, you can do your research, but I tell you in advance that there are many differences.
I cannot count how many times I have heard different Argentine Governments over many years talking about negotiations for the "return" of the islands etc. Also at the same time saying clearly that we, the people here, have no rights to have any say in our future. Correct, Argentina does not claim us as a people - Argentina regards us as a non existant people - that is why your Govt refuse to communicate direct with us and tries to act as if we do not physically exist. Ok you may dispute the Islands but you cannot dispute that we do actually exist.
An example - next week there is the 13th latin american fisheries meeting in Cuba - as a major fishing area off the continental coast scientists from our fisheries were going to attend - like they have in the past - a meeting of experts to discuss fisheries their economics and most important their conservation and the future for all. Yet Thursday our delegation is suddenly told it is not welcome and must cancel- guess what - Argentina told Cuba to make sure the Islands were not present - Argentina turned it into politics yet again!!
Independent of politics there used to be joint fishing survey cruises, exchange of catch information and agreements on season length and general conservation - in the whole South West Atlantic - all Independent of and totally seperated from any politics. Since Argentina withdrew your fisheries industry has sufferred greatly and ours some but not so bad. Big looser is the future industry with no effort and control over longterm joint conservation issues.
While your side continues to act in all these ways and pretends we do not actually exist as a people - we can never trust and believe that your govt would ever honour anything. One day I agree Welkin we have to talk - but the longer the present type of actions carry on - the further away that day of talking remains.
There probably are ways of doing something in future if you are prepared to think "outside the box" and can trust the other side to stick to something if you both agree it.
Yes there are probably many difference between the relation of an Argentine Province to Buenos Aires and an British Overseas Territory like the Islands to London. UK- and even European Laws only apply here IF our govt approves them - and some we have not.No UK or EU tax applies here - only our own taxes. UK and EU citizens do not have right to come here to live and work - they have to get a workpermit - just the same as a Chilean or Argentine.
Sadly, reading your candidateīs ideas, all have the some idea about an alternative...do nothing. Thatīs courious in a democracy.
I donīt think is wise to bet for talks in the long run; time is in argentinaīs side. More you wait more you loose. You loose every year of conflict, you loose $$$$$ every year according your potential.
Furthermore in long run brazil will be world power, GB will keep loosing relative power in the international arena; and argentina will be the fine 2š power of south.
Now we are unarmed, take your fear away; look my flag, is a peace flag, we are a peacefull country; we donīt want war we want prosperity.
But please donīt loose the train like in the ī90; your country lost seductive train in that decade. Now is light economic pressure with no weapons, please donīt wait for economic pressure with weapons. Donīt wait for the no weapons situation to be for ever; thatīs not probable.
Donīt say you have a gun in your head, thatīs not true; itīs a geopolitical situation like many; and sadly you will be in the middle until it exists.
Fisheris.- why donīt you stop calling extra regional fleets to depredate and start selling cuotas to argentine trawlers in exclusivity?? that would be a fine measure to sustain the enviroment. no more coreans, spanish, chinese etc, only argentine and kelper fleet with joint patrol.
Sadly, reading your post is the same old Argentine message - 'we're a peaceful country, we don't want war' - in the very next breath you're then effectively saying don't wait until we have weapons. Same old threats. Same old rubbish. It hasn't worked in the past and won't work in the future however difficult future Argentine governments (and petty nationalists such as yourself) try to make things for the Islanders.
Britain will continue to defend the Islanders right to self-determination and neither they nor the Islanders will waiver in the face of either economic or military threats from Argentina. The Islanders will continue to prosper and no doubt people like you, Jorge and Luis will continue to seethe. In terms of time, it's only a matter of time before exploitable reserves of oil are found around the Islands thus ensuring the continued economic prosperity of the Islands. No doubt any discovery will be met with more nashing of teeth and whining from Argentina but it won't make a bit of difference.
1) Argentina say that islanders dont have no rights to have any say in their future.
2) That Argentina regards islanders as a non existant people.
3) And that becouse of that, that is why the Argentine government refuse to communicate direct with islanders and tries to act as if they do not physically exist.
1) Islanders have rights to decide their future, but not in someone else territorie. From the Argentine point of view, you guys represent a colony on our national territorie from a foreign power. For the Un decolonization committe, you represent a colony of the uk. So you have a say in your future, but not in a land taken from another nation.
2)Argentina regards islanders as british subjects on argentine territorie. And there is a compromise included in our constitution to respect the islanders way of life and interests. So non existant people?.
3)Argentine government refuse to communicate direct with islanders becouse they do not represent a different entity from the uk.
Then you talk about fisheries and that Argentina turned it into politics again. So you think that malvinas government is not doing the same for political purpose?. To be recognized as an independent state?.
Saludos.
You are a patronising B*****d in the manner of you Government as always. I expect your attitude stems from your evident national inferiority complex which prompts you at all times to try and bully all your neighbours to assert for yourselves alone your belief in your superiority. What else can I say other than express this honest opinion.
If I get "Expletive deleted" at least you will have read and understood my opinion.
PD: i doubt that mercopress will ever delete your post. Oh and by the way, i dont know the word B******d.
A total embargo will be placed on the Malvinas within the next two years. There will be no contact with South America in any form.
If the British are so determined to keep the Malvinas then let them pay for them.
why the insult? is it a tabbo topic?
Our problem is that Argentina refuses to communicate direct to us they will only talk to London.
Fisheries - The Islands go to international conference to talk fishing and conservation - not politics.It os somebody else who always makes it political-not us. Like it or not, we control a large fisheries area f the SW Atlantic and have plenty of experience in controls and conservation in the area we are a world leader in reduction of deaths of albatross by fishing for example. To exclude us is just silly.
Luis, I have long ago lost count of the number of times ArghGovt has said they want "negotiations over a transfer of sovereignty to them " or words that mean the same. If we have any rights under your constitution - then I suggest somebody tells your Foreign Minister Tania to read it. He has said more than once that we people here have no rights and have no right in any decision over the islands and that we are a "non-people" - now that is not really so far away from what the Nazis said about the Jews.
One day we will reach a solution, and the most likley one is Independence - in a suitable form for such a small country - What remains to be seen is how we all get to that point in such a way that the base positions of all sides are satisfied.
Then you said:
""Our problem is that Argentina refuses to communicate direct to us they will only talk to London.""
Islander, you are not an independent state, you represent a colony of the UK, like it or not. In any case you are London, London is a member state of the UN, your goverment is part of the uk, YOU are part of the uk. So Argentina IS talking to you. I repeat you are not independent yet.
""we control a large fisheries area f the SW Atlantic and have plenty of experience in controls and conservation in the area we are a world leader in reduction of deaths of albatross by fishing for example.""
Your control area is delimited purelly by force.
Islander, to respect islander's way of life and interests does not mean in any case their wishes.
""One day we will reach a solution, and the most likley one is Independence ""
A solution without Argentina's consent?.
Islander, yes, our politicians have the same old argument, but for us Malvinas is not the main topic, for you Argentina is the main political topic, itīs your task to be imaginative.
As I said, donīt expect Argentina to talk to you; you must come and talk to argentines (and listen); donīt expect anything from Argentina nor Britain different from what you already have.
The fisheries problem is caused by the extraregionals fleets, you are calling them not us. Our combined fishery zone must be only for kelper and argentine fleets.
As regards the links you did post, these were allegations, where individuals committed acts that were plainly wrong. Where those allegations were true, the individuals responsible have been punished. Most of those have been found to be unfounded.
However, what they are not is a systematic Government regime that promotes torture as a national policy, as you imply. Now being kind, that maybe because that is what you were used to. Don't judge other people by your own standards.
And Luis, it seems again that I have to remind you that the Falkland Islands were only ever listed as a colony because Britain voluntarily listed them. They are no longer a colony, the relationship with the UK moved on a long time ago, increasingly self-government has been devolved conferring the right to elect their own Government and reducing the UK's role to providing a defence guarantee and foreign office representation.
And answering Welkin, again I would have to remind you that the FIG has offered open talks with the Argentine Government, however, the Argentine Government refuses to talk to them.
All we ever hear from Argentina is threats, threat and more threats. Newsflash, its counter productive and that is precisely why the candidates in the current election have a negative attitude toward Argentina. Still however, the FIG allowed the recent humanitarian visits after the Argentine Government had turned it into a political football for years.
Neil Rogers, are you playing at being British this week, is that even your real name?
Welkin, Anti-British and Pro-freedom, but they can't decide for themselves. Try talking to the islanders instead of patronising them.
You should never underestimate Argentina's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
But no, I wake up and we have the reality of the Kirchner bully-boy tactics since 2003 that have caused the new young generation here to dislike and deeply distrust Argentina.
Luis, our Govt is NOT part of London - London has no effective power within the Islands. Our Govt for example decides which British person from UK can come into the Islands and have their pasport stamped with permission to work and live here-exactly the same as applied to someone with an Arg passport. As for monarchy - yes she is my Queen - she is also Queen to millions of Canadians(maybe not to the frenchcanadians ok!)- are you going to tell me that Canada is a Colony? Neither of us is. One is fully Independent within the Commonwealth, and we are internally selfgoverning, a british Overeseas territory where britain has responsibility for defence and foreign affairs
Islander you said:
""had the Di tella method continued we would by now quite likley been heading in different circumstances""
Had the Di tella method continued you will be independent, Argentina would be a colony of the US, Trafic of Argentine weapons would be the main activity on our economy,etc....
So what is bad for us is good for you isnt it?.
Islander, you believe you are independent like canada, australia. But are you part of the United Kingdom yes or no?.
Dont donfuse yourself, you are not Canada, nor Australia. You are a british overseas territorie and Argentina wants to negotiate with britain. You are included becouse you are part of britain.
http://www.sholland.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/A5896F5E-B407-48D2-9AD7-2F48CC0544D9/0/CommonwealthandEUcountries.pdf
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:JmSmmwfC9cMJ:www.cheshireeast.gov.uk/pdf/CommonwealthCountries.pdf+british+overseas+territorie+common+wealth&cd=6&hl=es&ct=clnk&gl=ar
"Had the Di tella method continued you will be independent, Argentina would be a colony of the US, Trafic of Argentine weapons would be the main activity on our economy,etc...."
Which planet are you on? You really have lost it there.
The Falkland Islands are independent, they govern themselves, they rely on the UK only for defence and foreign relations. Britain has no role whatsoever in the day to day running of the islands. As I've said before, Britain and the Islands have moved on, whilst Argentina remains in 19th Century recriminations and telling anyone who will listen she could have been a contender.
"Argentina wants to negotiate with britain"
Really? But no, Argentina wishes to imposes its own terms. The offer of open talks with the FIG is on the table, no strings attached. But then as I've pointed out before, Argentina isn't interested in negotiation and Luis, your little illogical rant illustrates that nicely.
Of course we are not fully independent like Australia Canada etc - but neither are we a direct part of Britain.We have internal national self government, our own Laws,Taxes,Police, etc - for example the Islands and Britain are members of the Commonwealth - our Govt goes to international Commonwealth conferences - we sit at our table - not the British one.
Our full Independence will come one day - and yes we will have to negotiate with you to find a way that you can recognise it without loosing any arguments.
what you said above is impossible.
About di Tella, Forget him, get him over, he's dead now and he's not gonna return isn't it?
He was so silly. We'll always remember him because he did lots of stupid things about Malvinas and at the end he got nothing.
cheers
I'll tell you something, Kirchners will be gone soon. we'll have another goverment, when it occurs do something about our problem. As welkin said, Don't miss the train this time because you are not gonna have another Di Tella. And keep the winnie the pooh!
I love the way jorge calls us criminal and fascist. I don't remember the UK giving fleeing Nazis sanctuary after the war... but Argentina did...
We have the biggest jews community in latinamerica and they came imediatly after the war. Don't be ignorant!!!!
I bet the Jews didnt come on the U- boats though. I bet your fleeing Nazis had some fun with them for a while then .
It's also interesting that around the time these fleeing Nazis were given sanctuary in Argentina the claim to the Falklands was revived...
J.A. Roberts/Justin Kunts(khh),
You are well trained to support each other nonsenses aren't you!!!
Islander,
I'll tell you what kirchner and taiana got. They show us you can't ignore argentine actions, you need argentina because it is the closest land you have and Argentina has higher influence than UK in all latin american countries and let's face it you can't be giving your back to the closest region you have for ever. That's the problem when you are a small community. Just accept it.
You said,
"Di Tella maintained your claim with firmness and dignity"
We don't think so. Why don't you ask argentines about it?
"he was a realist who appreciated there are 2 sides to every argument and you cannot just pretend the other person does not exist"
I couldn't agree more with you. There are 2(two) sides to every argument and not 3(three) and is UK who pretend we don't exist when it ignores UN calls.
Regards
you said, "Today we get a different Government, in 2 year time you may do - let us hope there is some cooling down and a more rational approach then and some form of mutual realism can start between us"
I would add that you have to put aside your fears and take the first step this time.
Cheers
Please come up with something more intelligent than that and oh, if you get the chance why don't you travel to the Falkland Islands and see for yourself?
There were hiden nazis here but they weren't protected by us. This country respects individual rights more than any other in latin america. We are like the holland in that matter here. And my previous answer is according to the level of your comments. I will think my answers when you think your comments. One day I will travel there, but that won't change my thinking on the matter though.
cheers
"that won't change my thinking on the matter though"
A closed mind is a terrible thing.
"I would add that you have to put aside your fears and take the first step this time."
At the same time, Argentina should cease its senseless policy of confrontation. Seeing as everything I say is ignored, I'll simply quoye your countryman:
Vicente Palermo: In short, the Government acts as if it plans to lay siege to the inhabitants of the Islands, as a method to soften them up and to force them to accept everything that they dont want. This is terrible, for the Islanders, for Argentine objectives in relation to the Islands and, above all, for the respect that Argentines can have for themselves
You see the islander's attitude is entirely down to your Government's actions.
You have not improved on your "we are well trained to support each other" - as if Argentines on this forum don't do that either.
"One day I will travel there, but that won't change my thinking on the matter though." This is a very telling statement jorge. No imagination, no intelligence, just stuck in your nationalist rut without the ability to think your way out of it. Don't tell me to think about my comments, when you quite obviously are unable to move beyond the usual Argentine government dogma...
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