Falklands: full support for Argentina from Latinamerican and Caribbean leaders
Argentine President Cristina Kirchner said on Monday Latin American and Caribbean leaders backed her objections to oil exploration in the disputed Falkland Islands as drilling of the first well began on Monday.
“There continues to be systematic violation of international law that should be respected by all countries” Mrs Kirchner told the opening session of the Rio Group regional summit near the Mexican resort town of Playa del Carmen.
“In the name of our government and in the name of my people I am grateful for the support this meeting has given to our demands” Mrs. Kirchner said.
Mexican President Felipe Calderon said in the closed-door meetings the group had approved a document supporting Argentina in the territorial dispute, according to Argentine diplomatic sources.
In her opening speech Cristina Kirchner also assured that “Argentina is to insist on claiming for Malvinas Islands“ within a democratic and institutional framework. ”We are planning to use up all existing resolutions belonging to our national law in order to affirm our sovereignty on the Islands.“
Mrs. Kirchner then pointed out that the setting of a platform for oil search in the Malvinas Islands ”is a violation of all United Nation's previous dispositions“.
Escalating the dispute last week Argentina formally objected to British companies’ exploratory drilling round in Falklands’ waters and signed decree 256 which requires all vessels sailing between Argentine mainland and the Islands or crossing Argentine waters heading for the Islands, to obtain a permit from Argentine authorities.
However Mrs. Kirchner said Argentina would not consider more serious measures like shipping blockades. ”Argentina will not take any step that is not framed in international law“.
Meantime Desire Petroleum announced in the London Stock Exchange it broke ground at a well on its offshore ”Liz“ prospect, north of the Falklands, which could contain up to 400 million barrels, although there is a possibility the exploration will recover nothing.
”Drilling operations are expected to take approximately 30 days and a further announcement will be made once drilling is completed,“ it said. ”Liz“ is the first of up to 10 wells to be drilled by British companies in the coming months.
Earlier in the day Argentina's Foreign minister Jorge Taiana said he had secured support from the 33 Latin American and Caribbean nations attending a regional summit in Mexico to issue a declaration on the Falklands. The list includes some Caribbean islands members of the British Commonwealth.
“We’re making solid progress and heading towards a unified continental position over the historical claims of sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands”, said Taiana.
Victorio Taccetti, Argentina's deputy foreign minister, said: ”We are confident that Britain will understand that it behooves them to negotiate with Argentina and not to be in opposition to a consensus within the international community”.
Britain maintains that Islanders have the right to self-determination and to develop an oil industry and says the exploration is within the law.
On Wednesday Taiana will hold talks in New York tomorrow with Ban Ki-moon, UN secretary-general, to try to increase international pressure on Britain.
“The central issue is the sovereignty issue. If we can talk about that, then we can discuss the issue of exploitation of [oil and gas] reserves,” said Taccetti.
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Then again, since their claims are so frivolous, they'll most likely lose, just like how they should lose for harming Uruguay with their other frivolous claims. After all, you don't see Canada arguing that they should own that french island of the coast of Newfoundland, despite that every reason the Argentine claim over the Falkland could easily apply for Canada. Then again, Canada does things better.
Guatemala was not invited because the constitutional authorities are not in control of the country now.
USA and Canada were not invited because they are not Latin American.
1. I have not doubt about we will recover our islands (with diplomacy)
2. I could not be happy of the death of everyone (brit or argie)
3. We couldnt have any problem with an inmigrant community in our lands (We have welsh in Chubut Province, 45% italian descendant in Buenos Aires, germans in Bariloche and Cordoba, etc. etc.) that what the escence of Argentinians.
4. I really change my opinion about capacity of the islanders, they not need (like us in Tierra del Fuego) the Federal coparticipate (royalties oils) their capacity of autosufficient is admirable. They could be an autonomous state.
5. My generation will not justify the idiot war of the idiot Militar JUnta in 1982, but if they wanted to kill them, they had just done it.
6. I dont know if Canada do the things worse or better, Canada and their problems are in the North Atlantic, we are in the SOuth Atlantic.
7. I am in Ushuaia (capital of Tierra del Fuego Antarctica & South Altantic Islands) that includes Malvinas, this is a prosperous province with good development and democtratic system, the different of Pirate Governor in Malvinas is that we elect our governor.
8. You must visit first and then you can talk about the situation. you just compare with your another world!
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The United Provinces of Rio de la Plata had an administration at Port Louis - then Spanish territory - intermittently from 1826-1832. Spain did not even recognise Argentina as independent until 1859, and the Argentine administration was established for too short a time for the Spanish title to pass by prescription.<br />
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When Latin Americans moan about 'colonialism' I can't take them seriously. I won't, either, until the descendants of imported Conquistadors hand the continent over to President of Bolivia Evo Morales, who is officially the Apu Mallku of what used to be the state of Tawantinsuyu.
At its peak Vernet's settlement had a population of 103. This was reduced to 27 at the time that the British returned in 1833. In 1831, following the Lexington raid, the vast majority of the population took the opportunity to leave, claiming that Vernet had misled them and escaped the miserable conditions on the island. Duncan arrested the 8 senior members of the settlement accusing them of piracy. All were given passage to Montevideo.
It was then further reduced to 14 by events unconnected with the British return. In August of 1833, one “Gaucho” Rivero led a band of 7 others in a murder spree, killin the 5 senior members of the settlement. The population fled to Bleaker island. One of the murderers was subsequently killed by his compatriots and the rest were rounded up by Lt Smith in January 1834 and deported.
The United Provinces of Rio de la Plata didn't have any sort of administration at Port Louis apart from about a month October - November 1832. Vernet's settlement was entirely a private venture, one further complicated by the fact that Vernet asked the British permission first.
“had approved a document supporting Argentina in the territorial dispute, according to Argentine diplomatic sources.”
Lets see what it says first.
Please, do yourself a favour and get rid of your corrupt politicians. You have more to gain through trade with the Falkland Islands rather than this pointless, ineffective episode. Is there an Argentine election in 2011 or am I just being cynical.
They're only interest in the Falklands again due to the huge diposits of oil situated in the sea bed. If the oil deposits were in Argentine waters, i am sure Britian would not have a problem with them drilling.
I hope it doesn't escalate intop war again, The British would easily win hands down.
And nitrojuan, the Falkland Islands will never become part of Argentina, I can guarantee it. If Argentina believe so much in the UN, they will fail because of the peoples right to self-determination. Argentina's claim is weak and there is a reason why they dont go to the Hague and that they will only take it to the UN forum, because it isnt strong enough to support itself. And to hear Chavez's comments is quite laughable.
To correct you.
Vernet's settlement did peak at around 100, the ratio of permanent/semi-permanent members is difficult to define. Most chose to leave in 1831, claiming Vernet had placed them there under false pretences.
Vernet's expedition of 1826 was a failure and did not establish a permanent presence. He didn't establish a permanent settlement till the successful 1828 expedition.
To describe Vernet's enterprise as a River Plate administration is a misnomer. When it suited him he claimed to be working under the asupices of the United Provinces, equally when it suited him he claimed to be working for the British. The truth is he played one off against the other.
Mestivier's administration was the only Argentine appointment, properly gazetted for a Governor of the islands. And you're right he didn't last more than a month.
The 1690 date is also accurate, as that is the date that the islands were claimed by John Strong, when he landed and formally claimed them. First undisputed landfall was 1690. John Hawkins may have landed much earlier.
17mbc - Forgive me for being indelicate, but talk of piracy and imperialism is ill-taken by (or on behalf of) a population most of whom are the great-grandchildren of imported Italians, while nearly all the rest are descended from imported Conquistadors. I'm sure President Morales of Bolivia might have something to say about the role that the inadvertent spread of smallpox had in consolidating the position of the extracontinental invaders at the expense of his indigenous ancestors, but I'll leave him to say it!
And Nitrojuan, the British Empire is long gone, it is deceased, it is no more, it has shuffled off this mortal coil, it is relegated to the dusty pages of history. You are also a product of the Spanish Empire, your own country conquered the lands of indigenous peoples in the 19th Century.
And this is the 21st Century so whining about the British Empire, when you're equally guilty of such behaviour in the past is the utmost hypocrisy.
Yeah the world changed a long time ago but not it seems Argentina. You can't recover what was never yours.
Q) Do the Falkland Islanders wish to remain British?
A) Yes
Q) Are there major economic problems in Argentina?
A) Yes
Q) Is the Argentine president trying ot use the Falkland Islands issue to deflect attention away from her own incompetance?
A) Yes
Q) Have Argentina managed to achieve anything in this fiasco?
A) No (and they actually admit to have played all of their cards!)
Q) Does anyone with more than a single brain cell actually care what the husband and wife team are banging on about ?
A) No (apart from nitrojuan - but i forgot he only has half a brain cell and it is p****d)
Q) Is Argentine trying to gain support from crime ridden, drug producing, pseudo dictatorships?
A) Yes (because this is all that the Argentine president thinks her country is worth - a bit shameful on her part I think.)
This has got me thinking that Argentina and those that it would count on to support it pointless claims couldn't organise a P*** up in a brewery.
Argentines, please do your self a favour and get rid of you incompetant and ineffective leadership. Perhaps elect a leader who would forget the pointless ideological rhetoric and would engage in meaningful trade with the Falkland Islands for the benefit of all invovled.
Their “claims” are full of lies and dyed a virulent anti-Argentine.
Yet another spectacular Argentinian propaganda own goal.
ROFLMAO!
OUT OF IRELAND
OUT OF BELIZE
OUT OF GIBRALTAR
OUT OF THE FALKLAND
THE BRITISH ARE THE SCUM OF THE WORLD
MURDERERS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE
NO ONE WANTS
LEAVE, OR WE GET A KICK
John Strong undertook a voyage sponsored by the admiralty with the aim of establishing sites for base with which to operate in the South Atlantic. That he landed and claimed posession for the English Crown is not in dispute, whether it established the basis for a sovereignty claim is a moot point. By the standards of the day, it was sufficient to establish a claim but that would only have been enforced by the ability to establish a permanent outpost and protect it against incursion by the rival powers of Spain and France. I would agree of its own in the 21st Century it would not be enough to establish a sovereignty claim since it was not accompanied by a setllement and establishing effective control. That came much later.
Where I disagree with you most strongly is the assertion that a de facto administration by the United Provinces of the River Plate was established at Puerto Soledad/Puerto Luis/Port Louis/Port St Louis by Vernet. It is somewhat of a stretch to describe Vernet as a de facto administrator for the United Provinces, he basically said what he thought people wanted to hear. He claimed to both the British and the United Provinces that he was representing their interests. The circumstances of his appointment as “Governor” are a case in point. In 1829, he appealed to the Government of the United Provinces for a warship and crew to “enforce” restrictions on American whalers/sealers in the islands (he scrupulously avoided anything to antagonise the British). Not having the resources they instead made grand proclamations that he was the “Governor”, in response to British protests Vernet renounced the appointment and assured the British his interest was purely commercial.
You can make a compelling case that the origins of much of the sovereignty dispute lie in the duplicitous behaviour of Vernet in trying to balance the competing claims of two parties and playing them off against each other.
You also fall into the trap of assuming Argentine claims of an evicted settlement are true. Vernet's settlement wasn't evicted, it was actually encouraged to remain. Both Onslow of HMS Clio and Fitzroy of HMS Beagle went to great lengths to urge the population to remain and continue with Vernet's enterprise. When Vernet's deputy Matthew Brisbane returned in March 1833, he assured Fitzroy commerce was Vernet's only interest and not to further the pretensions of the United Provinces.
I presume you're unaware that in establishing his settlement, Vernet being aware of the British claim sought British permission for his venture. The settlers were not evicted for the simple reason they were supplying a useful service for British interests and were there with the blessing of the British Government. The only people asked to depart were the 8 mutinous prisoners of the former garrison and their Lt, a certain Lt Gomez.
The Spanish possession of the Falklands is also somewhat of an exaggeration. Spain never established anything but the penal colony of Puerto Soledad and cetainly did nothing to exercise control of the islands. The Spanish Governors of Puerto Soledad frequently wrote letters complaining that the British used the islands at will and were exploiting the natural resources of the islands to make their fortunes, while Spain did nothing. Again Argentine claims of the British “absence” are nothing more than myth, the literature of the period is replete with accounts of voyages to the South Atlantic. For instance when Jewett staggered into harbour in 1820 he found 40-50 British ships already there.
Anyway its been interesting for once to discuss with someone who knows something of the issues, rather than simply parroting someone else's propaganda.
Oh, and patrick20210, you may want to get with the game, because Belize has been fully independent since 1981 (not that such trifling matters make Guatemala, one of Argentina's few allies, any less belligerent and expansionist).
Still, it is good to see you are still stuck there repeating the rhetoric the generals taught you :)
Britain has already left Iraq.
Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it remains so because that is the will of the people.
Belize is an independent nation, has been for 30 years.
Gibraltar is self-governing, its latest constitution confers full internal self-government.
The Falklands have been self-governing since 1985, successive constitutions have conferred full internal self-government.
Self-government of both Gibraltar and the Falklands was delayed by foolish irredentists claims of their neighbours.
Whatever racist diatribe or epithets you like, you merely make the case against you easier. Whats even more telling is rather than debate the merits of either case you resort to the simple device of labelling the British case lies. Well funny isn't it, the only nation that has to resort to lies and half-truths to make a case happens to be Argentina.
Why am I not surprised in the slightest, did I not say this very morning what does it actually say.
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Do the British deal in Drugs, are we growing them, and selling them to minors??? <br />
No we are not.<br />
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Do the British Brainwash there citizens into Blowing themselves up, killing innocent bystanders and children. <br />
No, we do not.<br />
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Did the British fully support the peace process in N.Ireland. <br />
Yes they did, and still continue to do so.<br />
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Did the British help topple a ruthless dictatorship in Iraq, which the people of Iraq are extremly grateful for.<br />
Yes they DID.<br />
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I can tell by your statement that you are not a British supporter, and you are intitled to your opinions, however inadequate they maybe.<br />
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Which country are you from, and what has your country ever done for the world???? Or are you just another pathetic no-brained idiot that has decided to come here and stir the pot???? Either that or you have been smoking it.
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with great surprise and joy Argentina was supported by the Latin American countries received the recognition of their rights to the islands .... but that's better than that in many forums around the world people are in favor of Argentina ... (eg read comments in the newspaper “El Pais” in Spain). The people in the world are tired of British abuse, its piracy, its imperialism ... their lack of respect for international law ..... may impose what they want by force, but someday the world will say enough ......”
Exactly well said! Only imperialist minded Brits and with that mentality come on here and criticize Argentina for rightfully getting back what is rightfully hers.
Here is website,
that exposes the crimes of the British throughout the ages!
www.larouchepac.com
www.larouchepub.com
The folk at Executive Intelligence review has exposed the Brits for thieves,murderers imperialist warmongers that they truly are.
In the modern world, growing and trafficking of drugs is a big crime is it not. praying on the young?? Is this not a big crime in 3rd world countries also???
Well guess not, when your national Hero is a cocaine addict.
Additional, where have most of the worlds greatest inventions come from??? I know it isn't a south american country.
Not really helping your cause :)
Thejonster, I have a question? . Do you know that in Buenos Aires , live many children,and woman. Also live many brits, and people with diferent nationality???.
It´s clear for you that the missiles will kill humans??
Are you extraterrestrial? or maybe you are a stupid nut.
sooner or later Malvinas will return to Argentina by diplomacy.
Exactly man. The point is :“The question is how to satisfy both those aims. ”
It´s basic, it´s clear. And its not necesary another war.
The problem is that Reino Unido, don´t wanna speak with Argentina.
41thejonster - Firing cruise missiles at Buenos Aires wouldn't be a very British thing to do. But you're on the right lines. The Royal Navy's submarines could stand off its at a range of two and a half thousand kilometres and demolish Argentina's navy and air bases with cruise missiles fired from over the horizon without offering a target. The Navy's brand new destroyer HMS Daring - more like a cruiser than a destroyer - can outperform in air defence five Type 42 destroyers and can track and shoot down up to sixty separate targets. Later this year the submarine HMS Astute will be commissioned. She can sit in the English Channel and from there monitor shipping entering and leaving New York. Believe me, Argentina, the Royal Navy may be smaller than it was in 1982, but you definitely don't want to fight a war against it again. You'll achieve nothing but send hundreds, maybe thousands, of young men to their deaths.
Almost agree but there was no requirement to swear allegiance to the British Crown, none whatsoever. The only statement in that regard was commerce was fine and welcome, furthering the ambitions of the United Provinces was not. Vernet's settlement wasn't removed or molested in anyway, the only people asked to leave were the armed forces of the United Provinces.
And to our erstwhile deceased Mexican revolutionary, no the UK doesn't refuse to talk with Argentina, it refuses to acceded to Argentine demands for talks with a pre-determined outcome.
It's not because Britain has “taken” the Falklands about 200 years ago that it is logical ... I support giving back to the people all lands which has been illegaly colonised in the past. Like we Belgians have given back Congo to the african people in 1960. It's the same case here. So I hope Britain will 'let go' the Islas Malvinas peacefully.
In the Congo, Belgium maintained a colonial Government against the wishes of the indigenous people, in the Falklands Britain has devolved self-government to the people born there. Transferring the land to Argentina against the will of the people born there would impose an alien culture and language upon them; effectively what you did in the Congo.
And pray tell, how can you give back that which was never possessed in the first place. Islas Malvinas isn't even a Spanish name its a corruption of the French name,
The Falklands were uninhabited when the British colonised them, the only settled and permanent population the islands have ever known has been the British settlers who lived there. Yet for some reason you're advocating handing them over to a hostile nation, that assrts they have no rights, which is not an indigenous population but another population of European settlers, living in a land they stole from its indigenous peoples.
The only people who the islands belong to already live there.
What happened to grand Argentine statements about taking the current spat to the Hague? Who is afraid of International Law?
Lula's hard critique Gives today when he asked the United Nations for “ a political explanation for not having expressed that: it is not possible that Argentina does not take possession of Malvinas ” “ the fact that England informs as permanent member of the Council Security of the UN, where they can quite and the others nothing ” and requested that “ the secretary general of the UN re-opens debate inside the United Nations; and the political moment is this! It is inexorable to discuss the role of the Security Council of the UN ” because he thought that “ it is not possible that the UN continues with the Security Council represented by geopolitical interests of the Second World war and do not bear in mind the changes that happened in the world ”. EXCELENT LULA! ALL THE COUNTRIES WILL BE AGREED TO REPEL UK FOR THE SECURITY COUNCIL IF THIS COUNTRY DONT FULFILL THE UN RULES !!
pero repito, saben demasiado los isleños de argentina, y alguno por alli me sorprendio con su ignorancia cuando dijo que si el petroleo estaria en aguas argentinas inglaterra no diria nada, amigo, esas aguas son argentinas, aun en el caso de que las islas fuesen brutanicas las aguas cercanas son argentinas ya que es su plataforma maritima.
no se si alguna vez nos pondremos de acuerdo, pero si se que tenemos politicos, ejercitos, industria y muchas cosas peores que ustedes, o mejor dicho que inglaterra, pero tenemos algo en donde somos infinitamente mejores, somos una sociedad libre de insultos entre nosotros, aqui los negros, los blancos, los cristianos, los musulmanes, los judios, todos vivimos en paz. cuado tuvimos problemas fueron por agresiones de terroristas como las tiene ustedes tambien. pero esto habla de nustra mayor virtud, esa que supera por miles y miles de malvinas de distancia a un pueblo de otro, la calidad humana del argentino, la calidad humana del latino jamas, jamas podra ser comparada con la de los paies como inglaterra, donde por petroleo inventan una guerra y matan niños. es la misma distancia que existe en comparacion entre los ejercitos.
In his speech at the Summit of Unity of Latin America and the Caribbean in Cancun, Lula expressed his “solidarity with Argentina” by the order of sovereignty in the Falkland Islands and wondered “what the reason is geographical, political and economic for which England is in Malvinas ”
Lula criticized “the fact that Britain participates as a permanent member of UN Security Council, where they can be everything and nothing else” and requested that “the UN secretary general to reopen debate within the United Nations and the political momentum is this
For the Brazilian president “is inexorable discuss the role of the Security Council of the UN” because it found that “it is not possible with the UN to the Security Council represented by geopolitics of the Second World War and take into account changes that occurred in the world. Needs to be recast, ”he said.
Lula exemplified further that “in the Middle East conflict are borne by U.S. interests, when in fact the UN must now assume responsibility for negotiating peace.”
“It's the UN that should be discussed with Iran,” he noted, ”but withdrew the UN and individual countries discussed these matters because the UN representative and lost because the Security Council countries prefer a fragile UN.
Cheers
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LOL What success? A small handful of largely irrelevant nations have subscribed to a statement which doesn't even address the issues that all the Argentinians here are bitching about - namely sovereignty of the Falklands.<br />
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Judging by the racist drivel being spouted, it seems that it is Cristina Kirchner's abject failure to get any sort of comprehensive regional support that is rattling the fascist Argentine nationalists in our midst.
You don't get it. Argentina is not going to war, is simply going to gather enough support from other countries until the real investors for the oil exploration (not the kelpers) are convinced that “unstable” latin america (with creepy fellows like Chavez and Castro) is no place to do business, which is brilliant... is turning one's weakness into the driving force to achieve success. What is success? status quo.
Save the cruise missiles in the british ships to chase shadows in the middle east & asia while destroying entire nations (I bet you are proud of that too, war mongering imbecil)
Cheers
Liar, first of all, it has been proven that Argentina was never a ”close to 100% white nation”. By who was that proven? Andres Oppenheimer, another left wing che idiot who posts his pro illegal alien comments in the Miami Herald. Many argies are from mixed blood and it is been proven that BS.AS was also build by many black immigrants (slaves) who suddenly disappeared (mmm, weird) and and and mixed with other white immigrants by time. Second, in the 90's yes, but today most immigrants who went to the land of che idiots to make money are leaving back home where they are better off. Third the so called north americans who go back to che idiot land are the argies who stayed ILLEGAL in the United States..yep, back to the slum where they belong. Proves again that che idiot nitro doesn't even know the history of his own silly nation who haves a government that is stuck in the past...laugh
Duh, because they simply can't. Why? Simple, they don't have the men power, they only have shitty outdated weapons, no money to buy new weapons, the nation is bankrupt ( economically and moral), and and and..many argies leave the nation for neighboring countries because they are fed up of living in a country stuck in the past. The Republic of Che idiots is facing a brain drain and che idiots like nitro don't even realize that, because they are so obsessed with the Islands (the Falklands-UK) who's residents do not want to belong to the Republic of che idiots, aka Argentina. Ps..you don't hear much about it in news anymore, but soon, very soon they, the Republic of che idiots will default again, and they don't even realize that....laugh.
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“So far, the mounting Falklands conflict has been met with deafening silence from Washington. Both the White House and State Department have failed to comment on the situation, despite a significant heightening of tensions. Not only is this another striking failure of leadership on the part of the US administration, but it also demonstrates an extraordinary level of indifference towards America’s closest ally.” <br />
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oh guys, you´re going to end as alone as Adan in Mother´s Day...
”As with other areas of new settlement such as Canada, Australia and the United States, Argentina is considered a country of immigrants.Most Argentines are descended from colonial-era settlers and of the 19th and 20th century immigrants from Europe, and 86.4% of Argentina's population self-identify as European descent. An estimated 8% of the population is mestizo, and a further 4% of Argentines are of Arab or East Asian heritage.In the last national census, based on self-identification, 600,000 Argentines (1.6%) declared to be Amerindians
Following the arrival of the initial Spanish colonists, over 6.2 million Europeans emigrated to Argentina from the mid-19th to mid-20th centuries. Argentina was second only to the United States in the number of European immigrants received, and at the time, the national population doubled every two decades mostly as a result.
Although relatively few in number, English immigrants to Argentina have played a disproportionately large role in forming the modern state. Anglo-Argentines were traditionally often found in positions of influence in the railway, industrial and agricultural sectors. Illegal immigration has been a recent factor in Argentine demographics. Most illegal immigrants come from Bolivia and Paraguay, countries which border Argentina to the north. Smaller numbers arrive from Peru, Ecuador and Romania“. Chilean in the ´80 in the Patagonia for better conditions.
I have grown in an anglo-argentine village call ”Ranelagh” near B.A. City. Nicho, you are a baby in Ethnography around the world. Let study more please!
Ah, We have Brit-Malvinenses in our lands too.
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78-80% from different European ethnic groups<br />
15-20% of different ethnic Amerindian<br />
2-5% of African ethnicities<br />
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info ... es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composici%C3%B3n_%C3%A9tnica_de_Argentina<br />
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La distribución territorial de los diferentes grupos étnicos se encuentra básicamente influenciada por las grandes migraciones internas del campo a la ciudad y del norte hacia el litoral. En la Ciudad de Buenos Aires, donde la influencia de la inmigración europea en la composición étnica se ha sentido con más fuerza que en el resto del país, un estudio realizado en 2006 sugiere un mestizaje genético promedio compuesto en un 78-80% proveniente de diferentes etnias europeas, principalmente italianas y españolas, un 15-20% de diferentes etnias amerindias, y un 2-5% de etnias africanas.[7] Los estudios también indican que la proporción del componente genético amerindio y africano está creciendo,[8] y que ha sido transmitido mayoritariamente por las mujeres.[8<br />
momento24.com/en/2010/02/23/lula-what-is-the-reason-geographically-politically-and-economically-for-which-england-is-in-the-falklands/
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I think that the situation is not so simply. Most kelpers, according to what I read, think that the position of argentina is ridiculous. Most argentines think that the entire control must belong to Argentina. So the reply of kelpers is in general something like “the habitants of the islands wants to belong Britain, not Argentina”. If there exists moral people in Argentina who are interested in this conflict, they cannot simply say “falklands must belong to Argentina” and never make reference to its habitants that are part of them, they are humans. There exist moral people. The “hate” of some argentines is with Britain, not kelpers. (“Hate” not with its literal significance, I don’t know other word in this moment). <br />
I recently read that Britain permits Kelpers to choose its governments. That they are independent. That Britain permits kelpers not only to choose its governments but also the country to belong. I entirely respect your decision to belong Britain. But I would like to know if you thought the reason of that “freedom” to choose. That is what I would like to discuss. What I am writing next is not an affirmation, just a thinking.<br />
Argentines cannot live in the islands, Britain doesn’t permit that. Only tourists can go for a short time. I think that is in total contradiction with the supposition that Britain permits islanders which country to belong. Britain wants Falklands to be habit by people who prefer to belong Britain, so actually there is no freedom. It is very simple. There no exists real question in asking “do you want Britain or Argentine?” when Britain assegurates that the islanders will respond Britain. In fact because of the choice of Kelpers Britain justifies the occupation ok Falklands in UN. But as you can see everything is well premeditated by England.<br />
Britain, thanks to Falklands, pretends to have more control in the ocean and in the Antartida, and that is a fact, it is not my brainwashed theory (you can check it on your own). That politic has nothing to do with kelpers well-being. <br />
It would be an exaggeration to say that Britain “uses” kelpers to make its own control of this part of earth. But I think you can realize that there exists lots of reason to pretend the falklands. Britain, after the stupid war, began to transform islanders into real british. I heard some English saying that before the war kelpers where considered “second citizens” in Britain. So, when the war finishes a good manner to improve the occupation is to make kelpers real britain citizens. <br />
My conclusion is just this: I don’t want to dispute your choice. I respect it. But I would like to know if kelpers did actually think the reason of that choice and if Britain really is giving that freedom. Don’t reduce everything to a fraternal relationship with Britain and the malicious argentines invaders. Britain has lot of interests that have nothing to do with kelpers. So make your own conclusion. As I say, the conflict is complicated.<br />
If I offense someone, it wasn’t my intention<br />
Pfft, liar, many anglo's who went to argie fantasy land left and very small group of failures stayed behind. You grew up in a spanish slum called buenos aires and still live there, keep on smoking paco...moron (che idiot)...laugh.
Laugh, and behind closed doors he's laughing out loud how the che idiots destroy their economy and keep themself bussy about a territory that's not theirs and never will be theirs....this man is everybody's friend even with George Bush, Achmed the muslim iranian prick, Obama, Brown and bimbo kirchner. Poor che idiots, they believe everything when a foreign politician screams out loud in favour of them....laugh.
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Nitrojuan - you are lucky having a University but then you have maybe 100,000 plus people living in TDF? We are only 3000 so it is unrealistic! That is why our Government pays for students to go to University overseas to study, if they get the grades to enter.
It is not convenient for US to have Latin America disturbed. It has bigger problems now, it doesn't need one so close.
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Grow up, it has nothing to with taking any one's country or any other country's resources. No one in South America is going to damage their economies to fulfil Argentine irredentist dreams. They might mouth sympathetic platitudes but that is all they are.
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So who is going to hurt their economy to back Argentina? Whats in it for them? Its all about Money isn't it.
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BUT - and it happens to be a very big BUT - you cannot even start negotiations when one side is demanding that the only answer is full sovereign takeover by them regardless of what the people involved may wish! So long as Argentina continues this stance then in 500 years the UN will still be saying the same thing and the same result - no progress.
Now, IF Argentina were to calm down,cool down and start being a bit less antisocial towards us and relations could improve (as they were doing with DiTella) - and then Argentina said to the UN that it was prepared to sit down with the Islands and discuss all issues (which would include sovereignty) with an OPEN AGENDA and no PreFixed Outcomes - then yes it would be difficult for us to say no.
Does anyone want to place a bet on Argentina ever doing this?
That's the only PRE-CONDITION.
If central bank reserves guardians Carrió, Morales and De Narvaez allow you! lol
Political Joke
What's the meaning of an open agenda???? You argies drop your “irredentist” claim???
I want to give an offer to your people (before Arg. close the only link with the continent) , but i feel nobody is prepared to it...
Nitrojuan, if we can in time talk on an open agenda - who knows what might come out of it - look at Northern Ireland - they were fighting each other and calling each other terrorists - today the are together in a shared elected Govt. Who knows - my thought is we might end up as Independent - that gets rid of the British “prescence” so many object to, we would of course remain in the Commonwealth (and thus keep our heritage)like Australia and India ans South Africa and Canada etc- just a lot smaller member! Somwhere along the process UK might even say cede sovereignty to Arg - who then simultaneaosly offers it to the people of the Islands and we go Independent - that way nobody has lost . We are so small that we might even think it a good idea for Arg to represent us in S American regional affairs like OAS.Rio etc - who knows? Sure both sides will need to do a bit of “giving” - but it could only start with no preconditions.
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YOUR SHIPS WILL BE SUNK BY OUR ASTUTE CLASS SUBMARINE<br />
THE BEST ATTACK SUMBARIME IN THE WORLD<br />
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YOUR 30 YEAR OLD JEST WILL BE DESTROYED BY THE EUROFIGHTER <br />
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OUR DARING CLASS DESTROYERS WILL DESTROY ANY MISSILE OR AIRPLANE WHICH REACHES THE ISLAND, THE MOST ADVANCE ANTI AIR MISSILE DESTROYER IN THE WORLD<br />
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I WILL SEND YOU A POSTCARD FROM MY NEW HOLIDAY HOME BOUGHT BY FROM THE MONEY WE BRITS WILL MAKE FROM YOUR OIL<br />
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HOW WILL YOU GET THESE ISLANDS BACK ARGENTINA HOW ? TELL ME HOW !!!
Walk upon England's mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?
And did the Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among those dark Satanic mills?
Bring me my bow of burning gold:
Bring me my arrows of desire:
Bring me my spear: O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!
I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.
And the troll let his ignorance show with the use of American spelling.
No comment! watch the video and look who promotes wars (England)
”RohanMarkJay, interesting to note that the sites you posted compare
HendrikDK
Obama to Hitler, claim that his plan to offer universal healthcare equate to the Nazis extermination of the Jews, claims that Spain (and Germany, France, Greece .. the whole of the EU) is part of the British Empire and refer to Argentina as a “pathetic pisspot dictatorship”.
Not really helping your cause :)“
I certainly don't agree with what the the websites said about Argentina now the Argentina of today are standing up to the big bankers centred in the City of London and wall street Iceland is another country that is standing up for these Argentina should be praised not criticised maybe it was true in the 1970s military dictatorship Argentina had back then. That said you haven't studied those sites properly. They were comparing Obama to Hitler because his healthcare plan had nothing to do with helping ordinary americans, it was to help his wall street buddies insurance companies to make a huge profit on human misery and suffering. Those budgets allocated will force doctors to decied who lives who dies this is exaclty what Adolph Hitler proposed in his T4 healthcare plan of 1939 Obama what implimenting a Nazi healthcare plan which is true!
”claims that Spain (and Germany, France, Greece .. the whole of the EU) is part of the British Empire”
Hendrik the site was referring to the City of London based banking empire which was the basis for the visible british empire of the 19th century. In other words the British Empire was really an empire of money a financial empire which could manifest as military invasions are buying up other nations to do the fighting for you to conquer other nations. The British Empire started as the British East India Company a company of the Crown which went on to conquer half the world. They the bankers in City of London control wall street and put Adolph Hitler and the Nazis and Mussolini and maybe Tojo as well as Churchill,Roosevelt and Stalin into power. They control both sides and create the conflict for financial profit. That Banking Empire set up the EU that is the claim the British Empire according to the Larouchepac.com site is conglomerate of International Bankers centred in Britain in the City of London square mile to be exact. The Square mile was the power behind the visible British Empire of the 18th 19th and early 20th century. That is what they mean when the site referes to the EU as part of the British Empire which is really a financial empire of the international bankers operating out of London. PM Gordon Brown and President Obama are mere puppets of these people. They create the wars, depression famine put American presidents into power and remove them at their pleasure. They are all powerful and they rule the planet!
But it is heartening to see in the last 10 years countries like Argentina, Iceland, China and Russia are standing up to them. Call me a tin pot wearing conspiracy theorist all you like. This what I beleive and it makes perfect sense to me and explains a lot that goes on in our world.
Sorry those Islands belong to Argentina. However they have hard fight because when they go against Britain they inevitably go against the International Bankers centred there that create all these crisis they have there secret agents working for London in every country good luck Argentina I am with hundred percent all the way!
It takes an Argentinian to inject a bit of intelligence and sanity.
Thank you Nitrojuan I have read all your comments and they extremely good. The UK some european american and falkland Islanders commenting here are just so filled with hate and bile for a country like Argentina that they will find anything to say to justify their ludicrous arguments. The bottom line the Argentina has always claimed the Las Malvinas but the UK has always denied a basis for negotiations to return the Islands. Even going to war in 1982 one of the most senseless conflicts of the 1980s a mad war that should never have been fought but reading the comments of the Some Brits and Islanders its not surprising that they did in such jingoistic fashion.
Thanks Nitrojuan for bringing some much needed light to this forum.
I sincerely hope that the Islands will be returned to Argentina as soon as possible.
It is also ludicrous to think the Falkland Islanders think the British Govt cares for them. Heck the British Govt or the people commenting here from UK couldn't care two hoots about them unless it was in there interests. Also the British Govt doesn't give a rats about the British Tommies who they send into battle for their imperialistic gains and the Sun newspaper reading armchair UK based jingoistic crowd behind them.
If the Falklands islanders want to remain British and you can’t accept that, I suggest you look at how you became so bigoted. It’s probably because your gullibility has been exploited by either those wishing to advance themselves on the back of people’s prejudice or by those who just can’t respect others opinion.<br />
Argentina has behaved like thug and yet some on this site wishing to visit there with an arrogant agenda, expect anything other than hostility from the Falkland islanders<br />
Such people will die frustrated waiting for either force or diplomacy to gain them their selfish ends.<br />
The history is quite clear, the Spanish, true to their land-grabbing form, pushed the British off the west island (the British having been the only people to ever settle there) and British pushed back, whether that was the real Spanish or the then rebel Spanish (Argentinean)<br />
The Falklands were uninhabited when Britain discovered them and its the British that has developed them.<br />
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P.S. if there’s any prosperity in Argentina its because they haven’t paid off their debts <br />
1. If i had born in Malvinas (in 80`s) maybe i should be proudly of being a brit islander fighting to my “self determination” against my enemy “Argentina”, because my world would be only limited in that and my future will be prosperous and my parents remember me the war (invasion to islanders).
2. if i had born in Argentina AND i had not the opportunity of study “international relations and trade” and be an “open mind person” maybe my world will be limited “The Malvinas are Argentinian because my teacher, parents told me that”, “ They are pirates”, “they have invaded our house”.
Paul i dont know in which part of this world you are, but if you will not
be able to give a solution dont say stupid things...
They are probably among the most travelled people in the world and many native born islanders who live and work there have also lived and worked in other countries and bring to the islands a vast experience of what there is and there is not in the rest of the world that interests and motivates them.
Young islanders also get the opportunity for extended further education and many are both qualified, experienced and competent in many professional fields.
I am sure they would learn something by better contact with Argentina but it would not be essential and whilst useful not actually a life changing necessity or even experience.
I should also remind you again that the advantages you feel you have gained in T de F from your government investment and support comes for certain from the fact that they are using money they refuse to pay back to international investors, which in my book is a criminal act.
If you lived in the UK you would aware of too many people making a living out of being anti-British and we are fed up with it, particularly as most of it is bollocks.<br /><br />
I have traveled quite a lot round the world including quite a few places in the Caribbean and many times to Spain, so I know the Hispanic take on things.<br /><br />
I’m glad that you recognize you will have been indoctrinated by your teacher and by your parents who no doubt were indoctrinated by their teachers as that’s a start. Because here we question just about everything our politicians tell us and we know they can dupe us. Having said that, we have a very strong sense of looking after our own and if our politicians hadn’t protected the Falkland islanders they would have never got in power again and they know it. <br /><br />
By any reckoning the Falkland islanders are British and to call them pirates seems your caught in a time wrap or to call them Kelpers is just rude. <br /><br />
As for a solution, I suggest you prove that you accept the islands are British (as long as the islanders want it way), by being the supply and transit service for any oil extraction.<br /><br />
To be objective on a subject requires you to have no personal opinion, something you appear not to be capable of and its funny how you accuse me of what you are guilty of, as I’m neither confused or feel extreme excitement (delirium) on the subject of the Falklands.
P.S. You haven’t got your greedy eyes on Uruguay as well have you (leaving province in your post)
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