Falklands’ and decolonization debate, Timerman’s international debut
Argentina’s newly designated Minister of Foreign Affairs Hector Timerman will be making his international debut with the Falkland Islands debate, next Thursday/Friday at the United Nations Decolonization Committee, C24.
The former ambassador in Washington and the first Argentine Jewish Foreign Affairs minister is scheduled to be sworn on Tuesday and will immediately fly to New York. Apparently he already has been in contact with Argentine ambassador before UN Jorge Argüello and has been preparing for this week’s major diplomatic event for Argentine foreign policy.
Very close to President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner and fluent in English, Timerman has been crucial in improving Buenos Aires always complicated relations with Washington and in establishing strong links with the influential Jewish community in New York
In his first statements to the Buenos Aires press, Timerman anticipated there would be no major changes in the current foreign policy of his predecessor Jorge Taiana, “since this is established by President Cristina Kirchner”.
“Those officials who believe they can’t defend the foreign policy established by the President, who is head of state, will have to give a step aside”, underlined Timerman.
He mentioned three main issues: Brazil is a priority for Argentina and relations will continue “to improve and deepen”; Iran and the United States, and sovereignty claims over the Falklands.
With Brazil “we are building a union based on a strong coincidence of interests, common positions in international forums and economic integration in the framework of Mercosur”, which he described as the heart of “economic and political integration in the region”.
With the United States “we have the level of links which we wish to have with the world’s leading power” although admitting that much is needed still regarding trade, mainly for agriculture commodities “to reach the degree of understanding we have in fighting the drugs trade and in nuclear security”.
Regarding Iran, Timerman recalled that since 2003 the Argentine government decided to support the requests from Justice to question and judge all those responsible for the (1994) attack on the Jewish Fraternity in the heart of Buenos Aires which killed and injured hundreds.
“An Argentine federal court has requested the extradition of several Iranian officials allegedly involved in the attack. It is for Iran to have them extradited so they can face trial in Argentina”, he added.
Argentina has also made its case before the United National annual General Assembly.
And regarding the Malvinas Islands Timerman said that Argentina will continue to defend its national and territorial interests, both in the continent and on the continental platform.
“We want to solve the conflict with the UK peacefully and around a negotiations table. If we haven’t sat at a table it’s not because of Argentina”.
Given the fact that he is the first Argentine Jewish Foreign Affairs minister, Timerman said “this shows how much the Argentine society has advanced” since the return of democracy which he pointed out is also marked by the disappearance of prejudices like same sex-marriages.
“Maybe in a near future we could also have an Armed Forces Chief Of Staff who is Jewish”, said Timerman.
“We’re one of the countries most open and respectful with minorities, which is why I applaud the bill which contemplates marriage between people of the same sex”.
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malvinas is a consequence of USA and Brazil relationship
Billy, well done, totally wrong yet again, the Falklands Islands are a consequence of a) continental drift b) 320 years of British sovereignty and c) the fact that the islanders wish to remain British. Quite where the US and Brazil come into it I can't wait to hear :-)
By the way, what the new man's Jewishness got to do with anything? He's either good at his job or well connected, his religion doesn't appear relevant! Mind you, not a great start - ”... We want to solve the conflict with the UK peacefully and around a negotiations table. If we haven’t sat at a table it’s not because of Argentina....”.
Please note Mr. New Man that a) there isn't any conflict because Britain is confident of her sovereignty and b) why sit down at a table if there's nothing to discuss? Doesn't make sense!
1) There are rumors at the UN that they have contracted a new Catering Firm. No more english Babby’s Yead. “Fray Bentos Gentle” on the menu from now on. Yummmmy!!!
2) The C24 annual ritual but this year promises to be much tenser since Argentina has launched a package of measures to counter the oil exploration round begun last February in Falklands’ waters.
3) Religion seems to be relevant; MercoPress uses the J** word 5 times in this short article!
4) Why sit down at the table? Isn’t nbr.1) reason enough?
You were offered talks with an open agenda but the response was Argentina would only talk about transfer of sovereignty and would not allow the Falkland Islanders to participate.
So “If we haven’t sat at a table it’s not because of Argentina” is BS.
They may give them some dirty, even 'tense' looks on their way out mind :-)
You don´t want to taste our Spam?
How impolite!
About dirty looks....
Any bonnie lassie attending ?;-)
Yea, and a fat load of difference those made...
The almighty veto.
Good luck, have fun.
!?! The Almighty Veto !?!
Sounds very powerful.....
Is it praying to the Lord you mean?
Being on the security council has it's benefits. But we won't even have to use the veto.
The ICJ is the place to go - but they'd lose their case, their cause celebre and their distracting rallying cry when opinion polls are down.
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The UNSC British Veto Right used on the Falklands.....?....!
That would be a “Political Dream Scenario” for Argentina and the rest of the progressive forces at the UN.
I wish they would, but sadly, your diplomats are not daft.
Suez ! Rhodesia ! Falklands ?
Bad idea old chap.
“That would be a “Political Dream Scenario” for Argentina and the rest of the progressive forces at the UN.”
Explain this please? I don't see how. First, you would have to encourage enough people to back you in gaining sanctions against the Falklands which is so unlikely it's a joke.
Then second, if this was to happen, a veto would just stop any sanctions dead in it's path. I fail to understand how that would be good for Argentina, It's not a set back Think. The veto is a complete stop to any legislation regarding the UK or it's personal interests if the UK so wishes to use it.
1) An GB-SC would “spotlight”the Falklands Issue for a broader Forum.
We want that. You don't.
2) An GB-SC would “spotlight” the Permanent Members Veto Issue for a broader Forum.
We want that. You don't.
The UN is not as straight forward as many in here tend to think.
It won't be long before Argentina starts complaining about Brazil getting a permanent seat on the UNSC while they don't.
This is after all, a hypothetical situation. if Argentina was to get enough “spotlight” and support. In the end, it wouldn't matter. Because a veto is the last say in the matter.
Also “We want that. You don't.” We don't 'not' want that, we don't care. Shout it from the rooftops. We have nothing to hide, nothing to fear.
Everybody in Latin America can see through it.
Oil and resources under the disguise of human rights.
But If you, as a free British citizen chose to see it that way, be my guest.
For your kind info:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_veto_power#cite_note-6
I'm interested in what sort of point you think you're making at no. 19. Care to elucidate?
And with regard to your comment at no. 14, while you were casting about for an obscure reference instead of making your point, did you notice which Permanent Members have used the veto most.
But perhaps, like your President, you don't actually understand which UN resolutions are binding, if anyone is paying attention.
I've already shown from my previous posts that i understand the concept of the veto.
“Nothing to hide is a tad exaggerated.”
Nothing to hide is absolutely and unequivocally correct in every sense of the term. We've been protecting these islands way before the oil was even a fading resource.
“Everybody in Latin America can see through it.”
Thankfully the rest of the modern world are a tad more civilized.
“Thankfully the rest of the modern world are a tad more civilized.”
I love when you Brits think little of us the “Small People”.
It 's one of the few occasions when you are sincere.
And makes our job easier.
Voltaire
zethe is right in that the British have been prepared to protect their sovereignty regardless of the issue of oil as seen in 1771 and 1833. Whether oil was considered a factor in 1982 is a moot point.
This whinge from Argentina will only ever make the security council again if Argentina goes for the hat trick. The world doesn't care about Argentina's case. It's just one of a long list of border disputes that may never be resolved. There are more important and more immediate issues for the world.
The Falkland Islands don't register on anyone's radar except Argentina's. And even their neighbours will juggle their support to favour themselves. Its politics.
A witty saying may not prove anything, but then again it doesn't have to. It makes a point.
Nobody favours negotiations now, nor will again. The islanders rule the day on that, but make no mistake, the 1982 invasion with take many generations to forget. The dead have families and that memory will linger! Politicians will not be allowed to forget.
If the islander's had a sufficiently powerful lobby to prevent a joint sovereignty approach, how powerful do you think the lobby of the dead is?
Argentina didn't shoot itself in the foot in 1982, it blew it off!
As for all the fuss about minerals offshore - WHO has been making all the fuss? and WHO walked out of bilateral talks and agreements in a huff?
Britain DID honour the 1965 Un Gen Aseembly wish - discussions were started in the 1970s - but it gradually became apparent that one side(guess who?) could only entertain one eventual solution - the Islands becoming theirs totally regardless of the wishes of the people who have lived here for many generations.
A Shooting War failed miserably in 1982 and sadly cost over 1000 lives - all the result of Argentine greed and colonial ambitions.
Over the last few year we have come under an increasing Colonial BullyBoy Economic War - are they winning at all? - sorry no sign of it over this way folks!
One day we might see a future Arg Govt say”Ok we will not give up our claim that the Brits stole our land, but lets see if we can find a way that the Brits leave and the people who live there end up with it and both side can walk away without loss of face. Maybe Pigs might fly as well!
“Nearly 40 years ago, in November 1968, I travelled to the Falklands with a group of diplomats in what was Britain's first and last attempt to get shot of the islands. Lord Chalfont, then a minister at the Foreign Office, was the leader of this expedition. He had the unenviable task of trying to persuade the 2,000 islanders that the British empire might not last for ever - and that they should start to entertain the notion they might be better off being friendly to their near-neighbour, Argentina, which had long claimed the islands. This was the moment when Britain was abandoning its ”east of Suez“ policy for financial reasons, and thinking of ways of winding up its residual empire. We had already forcibly deported the inhabitants of Diego Garcia in 1967 without much hostile publicity, and settled them in Mauritius and the Seychelles, handing over their islands to the Americans to build a gigantic air base. The Falklands were next on the list. Maybe the islanders could be paid to set up sheep farms in New Zealand.”
Jees the sheer arrogance of that statement,apart from the claim to the Falklands do they teach you anything else in your schools,the word empathy perhaps ,could we pay you to go to another spanish speaking part of the world, take up the cleaning trade in the USA
This is laughable. The reality is Argentina has no say whatsoever in what happens in the Falklands & the truth is Argentina never has had any say. Even the whalers & sealers ignored the miniscule Vernet settlement & Commandant Mestivier only managed four days rule before being murdered by his own people.
Sadly in 1982 Argentina illegally invaded a peaceful Island people in an attempt to steal their lands & subjugate them by gun, Argentina started an illegal war of aggression contrary to the UN Charter & resolutions 1514(XV) and 2065(XX)
Thus the Islanders quite rightly & unsurprisingly say now quite freely that “our expressed, democratic wish is to remain British. It is time the Argentine Government accepted that” & secure their rights under resolution 1514(XV), which Argentina voted to apply to the Islanders.
Argentina shall never have a say in the Falklands Islands & the British Military will guarantee the freedom of the Islanders.
The British will never leave, because the Islanders want them there and the British want to be there to protect the Islanders from Argentine led aggression, be it direct force, or military or economic coercion.
The British are stronger than the Argentines, Argentina understands this and can do nothing
The British will not leave their other South Atlantic territories because they have established them entirely legally & Argentine claims to them is entirely historical fantasy, indoctrinated by successive fascist junta regimes using the Hitler “Big Lie” propaganda technique expounded in Mein Kampf
Sadly Argentines have been indoctrinated with a nationalist political ideology by their compulsory state education system teaching of a flawed & misleading history which eliminates any key facts which contradict their nationalist claim
Realpolitik: Argentina lets nothing, the fact is FIG & UK own the the Falklands
It has been a pleasure (specially Hyt and Isl)...
But really .... I got to go now....
As some of you know by now, I’m not entirely “impartial” or absolutely misinformed about the “Malvinas issue”
Time spend in here has not been a complete waste of time. I learned that:
1) Argentina’s government is not worried about the “Malvinas Oil Boom”. This “bubble” is being run by four small, capital weak “Designer Oil Companies” (Des.l, Fogl.l, Rkh.l, Bsth.l) fashioned in Britain, for the sole purpose of exploiting the Malvinas Basin oil. Recycled BP and FIC managers compose the boards of these companies. No “big actors” have shown any real interest.
2) Argentina’s government is thoughtfully reading all the reports of the defunct “Argentine-UK South Atlantic Fisheries Commission” (SAFC) to find out how best to catch all the migrating species in our jurisdiction, before they reach Malvinas waters, thus denying the Territory their principal source of renevue.
3) Argentina’s clear strategy is (besides all that diplomatic mumbo-jumbo) to make it impracticable for any private company to operate with profits in the Malvinas area.
4) Argentina,s government is creating confidence with our three neighbors (Brazil, Uruguay and Chile) taking more than interesting steps to get them to ”put their money where their mouth is “ by refusing any contact with the British Overseas Territory. One such step is the reduction of our imbecile “armed forces” from 120.000 to fewer than 40.000 in the last years. (Personally I think 1 is still too many :-)
I’ll drop by periodically if and when word affairs go our way just to brag:
“I TOLD YOU SO !”
Thats goodbye then,nice to have known you
Have fun.
I guess we've seen the back of think then .... permanently.
Maybe I'll live long enough to hear your, “I told you so” ....... I'll try my best :-)
Salut
W.r.t. post #36 comments 2, 3 & 4 remember, resolution 1514(XV) forbids military or economic coercion against the Falklands, specifically:
“All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected. ”
Chile, Uruguay & Brasil all voted for resolution 1514(XV) and all voted it should apply to the case of the Falklands/Malvinas, as did Argentina, and all member states of the UN are bound to obey resolution 1514(XV).
He's gonna struggle as a Foreign Minister with such a poor understanding of where the UN sits in the great scheme of things.
Of course he couls ask Iran, or Israel, or, lets say China, Russia or the US, all of whom have defied 'resolutions' (I use the small 'r' on purpose) recently, be it over atomic weapons or 'colonies', whether they be on the C-24 list or not!
He's shaping up to be another fool!
All the rest is just jibber jabber to keep the 3rd world involved and happy.
I think the best shot they would have would be a military strike within the next 3-4 years. Our forces are in a bit of a state from waging two wars and our carriers/planes are due to be upgraded soon.
They would have to throw everything they have at the base to reach the islands though. After we've received our new carriers and f35's it would be suicide.
And as the the ICJ, well... I doubt even they think they could win that battle.
Regarding your comment at no 44. I would disagree with you in only one respect. There is NO hope for the New Boy. He is apparently on record as stating that foreign policy is defined by the Botox Queen.
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/jul/23/congo.comment
We weren't the only empire. And i certainly don't think we was the worst. Was the British who abolished slavery, and unlike most empires most of our colony's were given there freedom as we entered the modern world. Most of the main ex British country's are now first class economy's also. Look at the state of other empires ex colony's.
We did a lot of bad stuff, that was in ancient times, Britain has since grown up and believes in democracy and self determination.
Argentina still to this day wants to colonize the Falklands and 1982 was not that long ago...
You might not have had control over your dictators Marco, but you as a nation allowed dictatorship to develop. You Argentines, all of you, created the environment for it to occur. That doesn't take away from the brave people who fought against it and lost much, but at the end of the day it was your creation. Nobody imposed it on you. You are 100% to blame.
Argentina has only two choices 1, war- or 2, talk to the Falkland islanders, except who they are-what they-where they are.
and accept their right to choose who they wish to stay with.
at this moment in time, they wish to remain British, and as long as Argentina are nasty-rude and ignorant of these facts, they will never persuade the Falkland islander to except them as even friends, some may disagree with this, but facts are facts, and history has shown that in the end every conflict their ever was. was settles by talking peace terms, so all i can say to Argentina is this, when you grow up and listen and except the islander as friends , in the first intent, you will get nowhere, the Falkland people have rights, and one of those right are accepted all over the world except [dictatorships] that that is a right to self determination and to live in peace , without threat or harassment, and that is exactly what the argentines are doing
[threatening] and [harassing] a tiny defenceless neighbour who wants nothing more, that to live in peace, and remain British, [long live great Britain]
Did you live in mainland Argentina during those years? obviously not.
Our drunk dictator was just about to get his rear end kick when he used an unsolved territorial dispute with UK to save himself and his friends.
And remember no islanders died because of Argentine fire, about 30000 died in the mainland.
avargas2001 (I assume that's the year of your birth?) - the islanders are already in their 'motherland'.
However I agree with your second post, if Argentina really believes its spurious claim then it should put its money where its mouth is and cease ALL trade with the UK ..... Now I wonder who'll that affect the most?
OIl Companies - no major players yet? Well BHP Billington are not exactly tiddlers you know. Also apart from them joining local FOGL there has as yet been no other call for a major to join in with their level of funds and expertise. This of course may well change in future if any results come up as commercially viable.
Dont overplay Argentina,s power in the world - many of the world,s oil majors could eat Arg for breakfast and spit out the bad bits by siesta time.
Big business will decide what happens there - not me and not you- all you and I can do is control it for safety and economic benefit, if you want to be in on the party that is.
Not that it matters very much ... I feel that he hasn't really gone very far. Have you Think? :-)
50 in the Argentine delegation? Still haven't worked out that superior numbers may not carry the day!
I remember very well people going wild about the Falklands invasion. Funny that! This question has been asked before, not just by me: If the military invasion was wrong, then why have subsequent, democratic Argentine governments not made a public apology?
I've also said this before: You as a nation allowed the dictatorships to occur, not just Videla/Viola/Galtieri but many times before, stretching back in your history... Ongania, Levingston, Lanusse, Aramburu, Lonardi, Rawson, Ramirez, Farrell, Uriburi, Justo, Ortiz, Castillo. Were these people elected openly and fairly? I think not... but where were all the mass uprisings against these dictators? The fact is, most of you were quite happy to let this happen, or didn't have the cojones to do something about it. Nobody imposed these dictators on you, you allowed dictatorship to happen, you have nobody to blame but yourselves!
salem-news.com/articles/june182010/bp-argentina-ez.php
They've never needed Argentine legal status, and they never will. They've been living there peacfully for almost as long as argentina started to call herself argentina.
“claimed by both Argentina and britain”
We don't claim to have the islands. We HAVE the islands. The Union Jack flys over the Falklands Islands.
We did not rob you for your resources. They are the property of the people living on the islands. You was offered a join oil deal but your diplomat stormed out of the meeting, acting like a child stomping his feet.
Your nation doesn't have to forget, we don't care. You can keep moaning on about it as much as you like. We will just ignore you like the children you are. And if you pick up the courage to try a second war we will send you packing again.
The British did not 'occupy' the islands in the sense you mean, they merely returned to what was theirs and found it necessary to eject the trespassing Aregntine garrison who had no right to be there at all!
Apparently you 'always knew' wrongly ... the islands are British territory. The British were prepared to go to war over them in 1770/71, were prepared to enforce their sovereignty in 1833 and, albeit not declared, went to war over the islands in 1982. we'll do it again if necessary.
The islands are indisputedly British ... now get used to it!
Anyone on here with, say, email contact with the Falkland Islands representative at the UN should consider forwarding appropriate material from this site with a view to proving the mendaciousness of Argentina for presentation to C24.
By the way, at 67, the words “In other words, he has attempted to milead as well as telling outright LIES!!” should have read “In other words, he has attempted to mislead as well as telling outright LIES!!”
Obviously practising doing it with a straight face. I wonder if Sr Timerman believes in Yahweh/Jehovah/God. Who will remind him that it is against God's law to bear false witness.
Vernett obtained permission from the British via the ambassador to Buenos Aires. He did not go to Britain before 1834 and only went then to seek compensation for his failed enterprise. Britain originally gave Vernett permission to go to the islands as a business venture ... the British didn't 'give' Vernett the islands, an why on earth would they agree not to go themselves ... ?? Sounds like you're making it up.
The islander's status most certainly has not been in limbo for 200 years ... their status was and is 'British'.
And yes, you are making it up.
They are the facts we deal with today, you Argentine people wouldn't see a bull even if it stared you in the face.
What a distorted load of tosh.
Your entire nation needs a good kick up the bottom. You need to grow the hell up.
These people are living there in peace not harming anyone. They have been living there for about 7-8 generations, longer than most people living in argentina. You don't, nor does ANYONE have a right to tell them where and how they can live.
Your nation will have to deal with this, because there is no way on hell or high water that the UK would allow Argentina to have ANYTHING to do with the islands for as long as the islanders wish it.
You don't have to like it, you don't have to agree with it. But you sure do have to put up with it. It's not going to change, nomatter the situation.
We are fully prepaired to back the islands in whatever form, be it ignoring your childish rants from your diplomats to all out war.
In this day and age Self determination is a basic human right, these people have inhabbited those islands for almost as long as Argentina has been a nation. You have no rights over the people living there and therefore have no rights over the islands they own.
Also the Islanders have clearly stated their democratic wish under resolution 1514(XV) that they wish to remain British
Realpolitik is simple. Argentina claimed effective controlled the Malvinas for a mere 4 days between October 6th-10th 1832, after their illegal garrison was planted but then revolted & killed the commandant Mestivier. Whilst the UK legally protested this illegal garrison through conventional diplomatic channels & exercises effective sovereignty for 177 years, except when Argentina made a surprise attack against its UK al Islanders in 1982 & put guns to the heads of the Islanders to force them to obey their evil plans
The British quickly & comprehensively defeated the Argentine forces without attacking the Argentine mainland & military/political centre of gravity with their full military might, due to geo-political constraints of the Cold War to maintain Argentina within the USA's sphere of influence and maintain the balance of power in the USA's favour in South America against the USSR
Now the rampant Argentine nationalism risks stupid escalation against UN will that Argentina comply with resolution 1514(XV) & support its implementation for the Islanders. Incredible!
When any person reviews the information, all sane rationale reasonable people conclude that the UK sovereignty was firmly established as de jure & de facto for longer than the Argentine Republic has existed and since the criminal murdering of the Argentine war of aggression in 1982, has forever removed the spurious Argentine claim
Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon rejects AR policy: “the 16 remaining territories that still do not govern themselves must have complete freedom in deciding their future status”
That is why when Argentina sent its military to the Islands in 1982 & put guns to the heads of the Islanders & their children to make them submit to Argentine oppression against the UN Charter attacking a fellow member of the UN, directly in contravention to the solemn UN resolution 1514(XV) & Argentine solemn undertakings of resolution 2065(XX) to act peacefully, the decent people of the world said no and demanded Argentina be removed according to Article 51 which provides the right of self-defence against military aggression to the Islanders & UN Security Council Resolution 502 which requires the removal of all Argentine presence on the Falklands Islands.
Has it not occurred to you the British were in Iraq ENFORCING UN resolutions passed by the General Assembly as a responsible member of the UN Security Council, for no benefit to itself? The cost of the UK's enforcement of UN resolutions, has been far greater in life, limb & economic cost.
Now Iraq enjoys peace & democracy rather than an evil tyrannical dictatorship, but I can see why an Argentine might prefer the latter to the former, given their long history of fascist juntas.
So yes, great job. Even Argentina support the Gulf War.
I think if you actually took the time to read anything rather than point fingers you would realise it was a big American lie
“Has it not occurred to you the British were in Iraq ENFORCING UN resolutions passed by the General Assembly as a responsible member of the UN Security Council, for no benefit to itself? The cost of the UK's enforcement of UN resolutions, has been far greater in life, limb & economic cost.”
Domingo has a perfect point here, As a member of the UN Security council we have an obligation to help out in times of crysis. A job that it seems only the UK and US pull their weight in doing so.
And in doing so, we get our lovely veto ^_^
Comment 70. avargas2001 is incorrect. The Falkland Islanders do not “admit” that they are not Argentine. They are glad they aren't. They don't “admit” to being British, they are proud of it. And Argentine people are so stupid, they can't even admit they are wrong after losing a war. do they have to get a couple of horns in the butt?
Comment 72.
Care needs to be taken over assertions about occupancy and national existence. Careful examination strongly suggests that the Falkland Islanders were there BEFORE Argentina became a nation (technically). It can be disputed whether Argentina is actually a nation rather than the descendants of rebels. Even given nationhood, it is certainly not mature.
Comment 73.
avargas ALWAYS talks garbage. Regrettably, “rationale” and “rational” are not the same thing.
Comment 74.
Marco is attempting to emulate avargas in exuding garbage. Describe how the removal of the inhabitants of the Chagos Archipelago was an “atrocity”. And Marco conveniently forgets to mention that they were removed so that the USA could build a military base. (But he wouldn't want to upset the USA that he no doubt thinks is supporting Argentina). And then the dumb-dumb goes on to quote tens of thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths. The Multinational Force Iraq composed troops of 40 nations. Four of them were South American. Can he quote the sources for attributing particular numbers of deaths to British Armed Forces? Of course not. But there was little sign of Argentina taking part. Argentines were probably keeping their fingers crossed for Saddam. Similarities? Saddam massacred people in his own country. So has Argentina. Saddam invaded an adjacent peaceful country (Kuwait). So has Argentina. Looks like Argentina is a cross between Nazi Germany (remember it was a refuge for war criminals) and Saddam's Iraq. And then there's South America's Adolf/Saddam clone, Hugo Chavez.
1833 = Britain 1 Argentina 0
1982 = Britain 1 Argentina 0
We may be crap at football, but were good at some things :-)
“leaving the colonists legal status in a limbo for 200 years, now nobody recognizes them but britain”
Erm, 27 member states of the European Union recognise the Falklands as British Territory. I refer you to the Treaty of Lisbon.
We hated you then for that - and today 2010, whilst we do not hate the Argentine people - we do indeed hate the Argentine Government for its two faced hypocrisy of Colonial ambitions and agressive bullyboy actions.
Arvgas - you would be surprised just how many S. American countries whilst playing lipservice to Arg tantrums and offering “paper” support to their fantasy claims in public - actually quietly recognise the Falkland Islands.
By the end of this week the annual splutters of the Committee of 24 will be all over yet again. Funny that in 2005 our Govt invited the UN 24 Committee to send a team here on an impartial fact-finding visit - so they could see for themselves and not rely on just what the delegations say. Result - a deafening silence - they were to scared and embarrassed to even reply!
Islander the 3 ladies were killed by British naval bombing, you know that.
And Irak atrocities and lies was part of Blair and Bush(DUMB AND DUMBER) ideas not the UN.
April 1982 ...?? Something happen that didn't get sorted?
And what's Iraq got to do with anything .... tendency to ramble you lot!
Iraq? as Hoytred says what has that to do with the Falklands? Britain has been out of Iraq for some time - as was there as part of a multination coalition whatever peoples personal views.Actually mine are that it was all wrong, but its all history now anyway.
1806 and 1807 were attacks by British expeditionary forces on outposts of the Spanish Empire, at the time a puppet-state of the Napoleonic French Empire with which Britain was at war. “Argentina” didn't exist.
1845. An Anglo-French naval squadron defeated and passed an embargo put in place by Juan Manuel de Rosas, dictator of the so-called Argentine Confederation, in an attempt to stop or profit from Anglo-French trade with Argentine inland cities that de Rosas did not control.
Describe how the removal of the inhabitants of the Chagos Archipelago was an “atrocity”. And Marco conveniently forgets to mention that they were removed so that the USA could build a military base. (But he wouldn't want to upset the USA that he no doubt thinks is supporting Argentina). And then the dumb-dumb goes on to quote tens of thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths. The Multinational Force Iraq composed troops of 40 nations. Four of them were South American. Can he quote the sources for attributing particular numbers of deaths to British Armed Forces?
C'mon Marco, ante up. Quote your referenced sources for your comments. Or admit that you are just spouting government-inspired crap.
so once again the truth tries to help these poor people to see the light, the Malvinas do not exist [ony in your head] the Falkland people will remain British, and the argentine people can do nothing, you all live in your own little world, they all work from their little book called, [the world according to Argentina] , the future is simple, grow up, stop acting like children, and look at the rest of the world laughing at you,, the big tough guy on the block picking on little kiddies, but when real men arrive, the argentines go running for their mummies and booklets,
please Argentina, grow up stop acting like children , and rejoin the human race as decent people, nut stupid kids. .[replies please by the unbelievers] long live great Britain and St George the protector of the little peoples,,,,,,
Ha ha ha you just make me laugh.
Do you have another joke, please?
thanks
I believe that British military doctrine would give us the lowest civilian casualty rate, the troops are actually complaing about it due to our own deaths.
Look at other countrys, turky set up a black market, Germany bombed civilians then tried to cover it up and america is notorious to shoot first then ask questions.
the world is a funny place to live isn’t it, in 1914-18 we were best friends with the japs, 1941-46, Enemies , USA..1776-and 1801 enemies with the British, 1940s-to present we are friends, what a funny old world,
perhaps Argentina would like to become a county of the UK .What wonders would you receive, [cant tell you, as you would all be over here]
but the future will tell, but we will meet again perhaps ? if we beet Germany lololol
Ha ha ha you are a laugh.
Do you have another joke, please?
thanks
In his angriest words yet after being widely criticized for his response to the Argentinean problem with Great Britain says, President Barrack Obama said he was talking to experts because he wants to know “whose ass to kick.” Down their.
lololol
Haha Do you mean if you beat Germany in the world cup? Haha a very tough task mate but possible so we can face you again. Haha this will be great!
“perhaps Argentina would like to become a county of the UK”
May be we will conquer you first and turn you a northern province of Argentina. Umm. Is not a bad Idea after all. Don’t you think so?
Think how much of these problems we can solve.
1- The Islanders wannabe British will not complain to become part of Argentina all of them will be happy.
2- You will not have more frictions with the Germans as we are a very good friends.
3- You will eat better and get rid of the boring fish & chips stuff.
4- You would not have to hear Elton John in any celebration of the Queen.
5- You will have more football world cups as you ever dreamed instead o the tinny record of 1.
6- You would learn a new wonderful language instead of the boring English only useful to say the weather report.
7- You will not have to invade other countries for oil.
8- And best at all you will integrate the selective club of nations that growth instead of to become the new PIG in the block and end like Greece.
After all between us how many times have you felt proud of being British in the last years?
There is nothing to be proud off mate the good days have gone in the old empire.
Think about it, membership is free by now
Still a BIG country albeit on a number of small islands. Still the 6th biggest GDP in the world which makes us bigger than Russia, still a main player at the UN which allows us to ignore you ...... me, I'm right proud :-)
You would first have to create a navy capable of carrying your troops across the ocean, beating the RN, then our army. Not even remotely likely. Quite amusing, Actually.
Oh you'd also have to invent, build and staff some new aircraft to go along with that.
In short, You have more chance of colonising mars within the next two years.
I don't see why you rate your military so high, It's quite frankly awfull.
The Islanders wannabe British will not complain to become part of Argentina all of them will be happy.
No. Not ever..
“You would learn a new wonderful language instead of the boring English only useful to say the weather report.”
English is the worlds international language for science, media, diplomacy, military and air controll. It is the worlds first global language. It's quite usefull :)
“You will not have to invade other countries for oil.”
Why when we can buy all that lovely oil from our friends in the falklands? :)
Wooow.... another “Born Again” South American.
You are the third this week!
I will ask from you the same I asked the others.
Liberty.... Just to make sure we are dialoguing to the right person;
Would you mind translating your own concepts below to Spanish?
It shouldn’t take more than 3 minutes, as they are, after all, your own words and you are Uruguayan!
”South America is in great danger under the leftish-socialist-communist governments. They’re united against freedom. Argentina will never stop their insane claims over the Falkland Islands. Uruguayan people are weak and being led by the Frente Amplio, a hard left government, puppets of the argentinian government run by the Kirchners.”
Of course you are free to ignore my request.
The others did so!
And they went!
Well Islanders you’ve got at least one supporter of your fight against Argentina oppression here “Liberty” the Uruguayan Yank super hero ready to joint your army to take over Argentina. Haha
You cannot fail with this kind of support mates I start to fear now really.
We “cannot fail”? With enemies like you, you can say that again!
No, just nuke Buenos Aires and do 30 quids worth of damage
We've never needed support. Thats what you guys need, not us.
well my friens, the supporters of the british have shown you who they support ? britain forever.
but we will see you soon as soon as we have desposed of germany..
we will do the same to you..Unless we are feeling very charitable and let you win for once lolol
I repeat my post from yesterday.....
Ohhh.... another “Born Again” South American.
You are the third this week!
I will ask from you the same I asked the others.
Liberty.... Just to make sure I’m dialoguing to the right person;
Would you mind translating your own concepts below to Spanish?
It shouldn’t take more than 3 minutes, as they are, after all, your own words nd you are Uruguayan!.
”South America is in great danger under the leftish-socialist-communist governments. They’re united against freedom. Argentina will never stop their insane claims over the Falkland Islands. Uruguayan people are weak and being led by the Frente Amplio, a hard left government, puppets of the argentinian government run by the Kirchners.”
Of course you are free to ignore my request.
The others did so!
And they went!
The others did so!
And they went!
Domingo is still here ;-)
But..... He never claimed to be South American to “validate” his opinions.
When you start your posts declaring:
I am an Argentinean historian.......Or.......I am an Uruguayan citizen.
And then they cannot even write some words in Spanish......
Well, what credibility have they left?
I am glad my credibility is intact in Think's eyes - whew!
I also speak more than one language fluently, does this increase my credibility in your scoring system Think? If linguistic ability counts, I think I can claim an increase of a 2.3 credibility factor at least!
You say:
It doesn't matter if you believe my background or not.
I say:
Yes it does.
You fake a South American so other people listen to what you want to say.
Liberty introduced his first comment: “As a US citizen uruguayan born, now living in Uruguay since 2004...”
seems perfectly open & honest to me. I read nothing here which undermines Liberties credentials... besides, who made you judge & jury? Your ego?
Watch your blood pressure!
You are as pitiful as those people using false pictures on their Facebook profile.
Watch yer blood pressure! Blimey, be careful or you'll do yerself in !
Argentina’s Foreign Minister Timerman most popular person according to Independent British news Agency!
Minister Timerman occupies all top five “most commented” places in the MercoPress list.
You're repeating yourself again!
So, Prime Minister Cameron tells Botox Queen, “Keep your hands off the Falkland Islands or we'll cut them off.”
Why?:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Larrionda
That’s why!
God Save the King
It was a South American jewish no-nazi colonialist Chavez inspired conspiration in form of a corrupt little brownish man from Uruguay!!!!!!!!!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=__MJV11nRqU
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/cameron-digs-in-over-falklands-as-oil-revives-former-tension-2011727.html
That much is true and even worse in London mate.
@stick up your junta
That would be a bad investment mate.
After all you should have to use at least 1 missile what would cost 17m quids to do 30 quids worth of damage. Uncle Sam and Lockheed happy haha
What about if I give you 50 quids to buy some fish & chips or Kebabs from your favorite Turkish corner shop? So you can eat a week more after the Cameron cutting stuff.
It’s a good offer. Doesn’t it?
Think about it...
@Liberty
“He really has a conflict of interest. He attacks England reclaiming the Falklands for Argentina. His jewish home land was handed by England in cooperation with the League of Nations, later the UN to the Jews. Isn’t he a kind of “Judas” ...what do you think of him and your government ?”
I think you are a poor person full of prejudices. What have to do his religion with a conflict of interest?
He is Argentinean professing the Jewish religion as many Argies professing catholic Roman religion or protestant or nothing. Why did you spot or judge him or performance based on his religion.
I didn’t hear you say that Cristina would have a conflict of interest because she is from Catholic background with the Vatican interest.
Don’t you see a little bit of anti-Judaism and Anti-Semitism in your words?
Your little Nazi has appeared after all very strange from someone who is calling Argentineans Nazis.
If you are so stupid to come back to a country like Uruguay that is little and not take it into account in the world is not our fault go back to Miami and play the Yank wannabe there mate.
I think that your ego is bigger than Uruguay and Brazil together.
Mercopress please write something about Uruguay like the new superpower in South America Liberty needs some attention ASAP.
@Stick
Cameron is afraid that's all none cares about what he says just words.
Argentina will continue doing what her please as always does.
You should know very well that.
“Cameron is afraid that's all none cares about what he says just words.
Argentina will continue doing what her please as always does.
You should know very well that.”
I believe you've got that the wrong way around?
It's your nation that no-one is listening too, and Britian who is just doing as she pleases(oil, ect).
As an argentinian you are not a native to the country you live in. Therefore you are not entitled to Self determination and your government is invalid. You should therefore cede your soveriginity to spain or all move back to spain.
Also, as you are not entitled to self determination(your words). You can no longer claim territory such as the falklandas, let alone the territory you currently live in.
Or is this another case of do as i say and not as i do?
You say NUKE and the only available weapon you can use for that propose is Trident and the cost is close to 17m each call Lockheed Martin for and accurate quotation.
The same as the 2 lost by you during the conflict of 1982 in our waters I just wonder where the 2 toys are now. Have you got any idea? haha
The American “Tommahawks” that by the way is “BGM 109 Tomahawk” it is banned to be used for carry nuclear warhead by the Americans in fact it is inactivated to be used by any W80 nuclear warhead or device.
So you have to stick with conventional 450kg conventional explosives.
And of course you should have to think about the consequences to a direct attack over Argie soil we will take revenge by any possible mean. So be sure to kill all of us in one shot what will require a lot of your Tridents else you will end like a Bugger king burned.
By the way, 17 million is not a lot when you have a budget of 40-60 billion. Infact it would be cheaper to nuke argentina than to keep the base in the falklands running! But like i said, we aren't in the business of using nukes.
As far as nukes being banned from tommahawks, the americans have:
BGM-109A Tomahawk Land Attack Missile - Nuclear (TLAM-N) with a W80 nuclear warhead.
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