Argentina’s newly designated Minister of Foreign Affairs Hector Timerman will be making his international debut with the Falkland Islands debate, next Thursday/Friday at the United Nations Decolonization Committee, C24. Read full article
Here we go again ... must be the annual C-24 ... same old stuff, year after year .....
Billy, well done, totally wrong yet again, the Falklands Islands are a consequence of a) continental drift b) 320 years of British sovereignty and c) the fact that the islanders wish to remain British. Quite where the US and Brazil come into it I can't wait to hear :-)
By the way, what the new man's Jewishness got to do with anything? He's either good at his job or well connected, his religion doesn't appear relevant! Mind you, not a great start - ”... We want to solve the conflict with the UK peacefully and around a negotiations table. If we haven’t sat at a table it’s not because of Argentina....”.
Please note Mr. New Man that a) there isn't any conflict because Britain is confident of her sovereignty and b) why sit down at a table if there's nothing to discuss? Doesn't make sense!
Not quite so Junior,
1) There are rumors at the UN that they have contracted a new Catering Firm. No more english Babby’s Yead. “Fray Bentos Gentle” on the menu from now on. Yummmmy!!!
2) The C24 annual ritual but this year promises to be much tenser since Argentina has launched a package of measures to counter the oil exploration round begun last February in Falklands’ waters.
3) Religion seems to be relevant; MercoPress uses the J** word 5 times in this short article!
4) Why sit down at the table? Isn’t nbr.1) reason enough?
Tell me when has Argentina ever agreed to talks without wishing to predefine the outcome? It demands talks but only on its terms.
You were offered talks with an open agenda but the response was Argentina would only talk about transfer of sovereignty and would not allow the Falkland Islanders to participate.
So If we haven’t sat at a table it’s not because of Argentina is BS.
It's a negative vote from being on the UN security council. it means even if by some bizarre reason people actually decide to listen to your nation. The veto would would make any sanctions obsolete.
Being on the security council has it's benefits. But we won't even have to use the veto.
It has nothing to do with the security council unless Argentina invades again. In fact they only ever bring up the issue in forums where it has no relevance.
The ICJ is the place to go - but they'd lose their case, their cause celebre and their distracting rallying cry when opinion polls are down.
(10) zethe
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The UNSC British Veto Right used on the Falklands.....?....!
That would be a “Political Dream Scenario” for Argentina and the rest of the progressive forces at the UN.
I wish they would, but sadly, your diplomats are not daft.
Suez ! Rhodesia ! Falklands ?
Bad idea old chap.
11 Idlehands: I know mate, i never mentioned about other members of the SC getting involved. I was just explaining the fact that the Veto(which comes along with being on the SC) Gives us the right to block any legislation regarding the UK or it's overseas territory's.
That would be a “Political Dream Scenario” for Argentina and the rest of the progressive forces at the UN.
Explain this please? I don't see how. First, you would have to encourage enough people to back you in gaining sanctions against the Falklands which is so unlikely it's a joke.
Then second, if this was to happen, a veto would just stop any sanctions dead in it's path. I fail to understand how that would be good for Argentina, It's not a set back Think. The veto is a complete stop to any legislation regarding the UK or it's personal interests if the UK so wishes to use it.
I think the UK and FIG should start shouting from the rooftops that they should take it to the ICJ - indeed every time Argentina mentions it. I don't think the UK really cares what broader forum Argentina chooses to bring the matter to as it makes no difference.
It won't be long before Argentina starts complaining about Brazil getting a permanent seat on the UNSC while they don't.
Think. For the UK to even have to use a Veto you would have had to had enough support for you to get legislation regarding the FI. Adding more spotlight to the situation after that would make no difference.
This is after all, a hypothetical situation. if Argentina was to get enough spotlight and support. In the end, it wouldn't matter. Because a veto is the last say in the matter.
Also We want that. You don't. We don't 'not' want that, we don't care. Shout it from the rooftops. We have nothing to hide, nothing to fear.
Nothing to hide is a tad exaggerated.
Everybody in Latin America can see through it.
Oil and resources under the disguise of human rights.
But If you, as a free British citizen chose to see it that way, be my guest.
I'm interested in what sort of point you think you're making at no. 19. Care to elucidate?
And with regard to your comment at no. 14, while you were casting about for an obscure reference instead of making your point, did you notice which Permanent Members have used the veto most.
But perhaps, like your President, you don't actually understand which UN resolutions are binding, if anyone is paying attention.
These Argentinians have a habit of linking websites and expecting everyone else to get their point without leaving any explanation at all.
I've already shown from my previous posts that i understand the concept of the veto.
Nothing to hide is a tad exaggerated.
Nothing to hide is absolutely and unequivocally correct in every sense of the term. We've been protecting these islands way before the oil was even a fading resource.
Everybody in Latin America can see through it.
Thankfully the rest of the modern world are a tad more civilized.
Which is pretty well as much as Argentina has managed to prove re. its claim in the last 177 years.
zethe is right in that the British have been prepared to protect their sovereignty regardless of the issue of oil as seen in 1771 and 1833. Whether oil was considered a factor in 1982 is a moot point.
This whinge from Argentina will only ever make the security council again if Argentina goes for the hat trick. The world doesn't care about Argentina's case. It's just one of a long list of border disputes that may never be resolved. There are more important and more immediate issues for the world.
The Falkland Islands don't register on anyone's radar except Argentina's. And even their neighbours will juggle their support to favour themselves. Its politics.
A witty saying may not prove anything, but then again it doesn't have to. It makes a point.
Nobody favours negotiations now, nor will again. The islanders rule the day on that, but make no mistake, the 1982 invasion with take many generations to forget. The dead have families and that memory will linger! Politicians will not be allowed to forget.
If the islander's had a sufficiently powerful lobby to prevent a joint sovereignty approach, how powerful do you think the lobby of the dead is?
Argentina didn't shoot itself in the foot in 1982, it blew it off!
Hoytred, Well stated. 1982 removed any form of credulity and decency to Argentine Claims - they forfeited them and its irrelevant to claim that was the act of a miltary junta etc - after all the Govt of today makes exactly the same claim! Britain WAS negotiating with Argentina and the future of sovereignty WAS on the table up to April 1982. Now it is off permanently - unless the people of the Islands wish to put it back there - or Argentina can accept an Independent Islands that would remove the British bit which seems to be the main issue to me.
As for all the fuss about minerals offshore - WHO has been making all the fuss? and WHO walked out of bilateral talks and agreements in a huff?
Britain DID honour the 1965 Un Gen Aseembly wish - discussions were started in the 1970s - but it gradually became apparent that one side(guess who?) could only entertain one eventual solution - the Islands becoming theirs totally regardless of the wishes of the people who have lived here for many generations.
A Shooting War failed miserably in 1982 and sadly cost over 1000 lives - all the result of Argentine greed and colonial ambitions.
Over the last few year we have come under an increasing Colonial BullyBoy Economic War - are they winning at all? - sorry no sign of it over this way folks!
One day we might see a future Arg Govt say”Ok we will not give up our claim that the Brits stole our land, but lets see if we can find a way that the Brits leave and the people who live there end up with it and both side can walk away without loss of face. Maybe Pigs might fly as well!
Your brothers in UK want you to go to New Zealand to live, we let you stay but under our white an blue flag
Nearly 40 years ago, in November 1968, I travelled to the Falklands with a group of diplomats in what was Britain's first and last attempt to get shot of the islands. Lord Chalfont, then a minister at the Foreign Office, was the leader of this expedition. He had the unenviable task of trying to persuade the 2,000 islanders that the British empire might not last for ever - and that they should start to entertain the notion they might be better off being friendly to their near-neighbour, Argentina, which had long claimed the islands. This was the moment when Britain was abandoning its east of Suez policy for financial reasons, and thinking of ways of winding up its residual empire. We had already forcibly deported the inhabitants of Diego Garcia in 1967 without much hostile publicity, and settled them in Mauritius and the Seychelles, handing over their islands to the Americans to build a gigantic air base. The Falklands were next on the list. Maybe the islanders could be paid to set up sheep farms in New Zealand.
Marco - did you not understand a single word of the previous two entries? Or are you just so blind that you cannot see, in the face of all the evidence, that the slim chance that Argentina had prior to 1982 has gone. Gone for ever!
Maybe the islanders could be paid to set up sheep farms in New Zealand
Jees the sheer arrogance of that statement,apart from the claim to the Falklands do they teach you anything else in your schools,the word empathy perhaps ,could we pay you to go to another spanish speaking part of the world, take up the cleaning trade in the USA
@Marco: Your brothers in UK want you to go to New Zealand to live, we let you stay but under our white an blue flag
This is laughable. The reality is Argentina has no say whatsoever in what happens in the Falklands & the truth is Argentina never has had any say. Even the whalers & sealers ignored the miniscule Vernet settlement & Commandant Mestivier only managed four days rule before being murdered by his own people.
Sadly in 1982 Argentina illegally invaded a peaceful Island people in an attempt to steal their lands & subjugate them by gun, Argentina started an illegal war of aggression contrary to the UN Charter & resolutions 1514(XV) and 2065(XX)
Thus the Islanders quite rightly & unsurprisingly say now quite freely that our expressed, democratic wish is to remain British. It is time the Argentine Government accepted that & secure their rights under resolution 1514(XV), which Argentina voted to apply to the Islanders.
Argentina shall never have a say in the Falklands Islands & the British Military will guarantee the freedom of the Islanders.
The British will never leave, because the Islanders want them there and the British want to be there to protect the Islanders from Argentine led aggression, be it direct force, or military or economic coercion.
The British are stronger than the Argentines, Argentina understands this and can do nothing
The British will not leave their other South Atlantic territories because they have established them entirely legally & Argentine claims to them is entirely historical fantasy, indoctrinated by successive fascist junta regimes using the Hitler Big Lie propaganda technique expounded in Mein Kampf
Sadly Argentines have been indoctrinated with a nationalist political ideology by their compulsory state education system teaching of a flawed & misleading history which eliminates any key facts which contradict their nationalist claim
Realpolitik: Argentina lets nothing, the fact is FIG & UK own the the Falklands
Well Chaps...
It has been a pleasure (specially Hyt and Isl)...
But really .... I got to go now....
As some of you know by now, I’m not entirely “impartial” or absolutely misinformed about the “Malvinas issue”
Time spend in here has not been a complete waste of time. I learned that:
1) Argentina’s government is not worried about the “Malvinas Oil Boom”. This “bubble” is being run by four small, capital weak “Designer Oil Companies” (Des.l, Fogl.l, Rkh.l, Bsth.l) fashioned in Britain, for the sole purpose of exploiting the Malvinas Basin oil. Recycled BP and FIC managers compose the boards of these companies. No “big actors” have shown any real interest.
2) Argentina’s government is thoughtfully reading all the reports of the defunct “Argentine-UK South Atlantic Fisheries Commission” (SAFC) to find out how best to catch all the migrating species in our jurisdiction, before they reach Malvinas waters, thus denying the Territory their principal source of renevue.
3) Argentina’s clear strategy is (besides all that diplomatic mumbo-jumbo) to make it impracticable for any private company to operate with profits in the Malvinas area.
4) Argentina,s government is creating confidence with our three neighbors (Brazil, Uruguay and Chile) taking more than interesting steps to get them to ”put their money where their mouth is “ by refusing any contact with the British Overseas Territory. One such step is the reduction of our imbecile “armed forces” from 120.000 to fewer than 40.000 in the last years. (Personally I think 1 is still too many :-)
I’ll drop by periodically if and when word affairs go our way just to brag:
“I TOLD YOU SO !”
I seem to remember a comment from Islander that would suggest he has at least some idea of who you are. Whatever. Best of luck. Life is a game after all. The upside with this particular area of life, is that time may, or ideed may not, tell.
Maybe I'll live long enough to hear your, I told you so ....... I'll try my best :-)
W.r.t. post #36 comments 2, 3 & 4 remember, resolution 1514(XV) forbids military or economic coercion against the Falklands, specifically:
All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.
Chile, Uruguay & Brasil all voted for resolution 1514(XV) and all voted it should apply to the case of the Falklands/Malvinas, as did Argentina, and all member states of the UN are bound to obey resolution 1514(XV).
I have no great hope for the New Boy ... according to the Buenos Aires Herald he believes that the UN has 'told' the British to negotiate!
He's gonna struggle as a Foreign Minister with such a poor understanding of where the UN sits in the great scheme of things.
Of course he couls ask Iran, or Israel, or, lets say China, Russia or the US, all of whom have defied 'resolutions' (I use the small 'r' on purpose) recently, be it over atomic weapons or 'colonies', whether they be on the C-24 list or not!
In reality Argentina had two options. ICJ and Military action.
I think the best shot they would have would be a military strike within the next 3-4 years. Our forces are in a bit of a state from waging two wars and our carriers/planes are due to be upgraded soon.
They would have to throw everything they have at the base to reach the islands though. After we've received our new carriers and f35's it would be suicide.
And as the the ICJ, well... I doubt even they think they could win that battle.
Hoytred
Regarding your comment at no 44. I would disagree with you in only one respect. There is NO hope for the New Boy. He is apparently on record as stating that foreign policy is defined by the Botox Queen.
The war of 1982 was wrong and long ago, we did not have control over our criminal dictators that murdered so many in the mainland. However the British Gov. was not better and far worse than our drunk dictator.
Marco, You can look at the bad parts of the old empire easily, there were a lot of them.
We weren't the only empire. And i certainly don't think we was the worst. Was the British who abolished slavery, and unlike most empires most of our colony's were given there freedom as we entered the modern world. Most of the main ex British country's are now first class economy's also. Look at the state of other empires ex colony's.
We did a lot of bad stuff, that was in ancient times, Britain has since grown up and believes in democracy and self determination.
Argentina still to this day wants to colonize the Falklands and 1982 was not that long ago...
The war of 1982 was wrong and long ago.... yes, and the British Empire was wrong and long ago, dismantled long before 1982.
You might not have had control over your dictators Marco, but you as a nation allowed dictatorship to develop. You Argentines, all of you, created the environment for it to occur. That doesn't take away from the brave people who fought against it and lost much, but at the end of the day it was your creation. Nobody imposed it on you. You are 100% to blame.
it really does not matter what or who the Argentina government speak to. their is nothing [fact] nothing they or anyone else can do abt it,
Argentina has only two choices 1, war- or 2, talk to the Falkland islanders, except who they are-what they-where they are.
and accept their right to choose who they wish to stay with.
at this moment in time, they wish to remain British, and as long as Argentina are nasty-rude and ignorant of these facts, they will never persuade the Falkland islander to except them as even friends, some may disagree with this, but facts are facts, and history has shown that in the end every conflict their ever was. was settles by talking peace terms, so all i can say to Argentina is this, when you grow up and listen and except the islander as friends , in the first intent, you will get nowhere, the Falkland people have rights, and one of those right are accepted all over the world except [dictatorships] that that is a right to self determination and to live in peace , without threat or harassment, and that is exactly what the argentines are doing
[threatening] and [harassing] a tiny defenceless neighbour who wants nothing more, that to live in peace, and remain British, [long live great Britain]
maybe the argentines should ask the question why do the islanders choose to remain british? its not because we tell them to, its because of your attitude of thinking you own them and the fact that you invaded there small farms and treated them like shit, you say you wont forgett about the falklands and your sovereignty, but they wont ever forget what you put them through, that among other reasons is why the choose to have nothing to do with you, and i dont blame them
Marco, I didn't realise that the Guardian was such a best seller in Argentina.... that could explain a lot. Mrs. T may have been a tad forceful but at least she was voted in .... twice as I recall. Just the PM for the job in '82.
If the colonist want to go back to the motherland let them all go, if they want to get Argentine citizenship they can stay in Malvinas, how complicated is that ? In Canada I had to get citizenship and whenever they want they call you back to get some other paper, does this privilege depend on skin colour ?
Roberts says You might not have had control over your dictators Marco, but you as a nation allowed dictatorship to develop. , but at the end of the day it was your creation. Nobody imposed it on you. You are 100% to blame
Did you live in mainland Argentina during those years? obviously not.
Our drunk dictator was just about to get his rear end kick when he used an unsolved territorial dispute with UK to save himself and his friends.
And remember no islanders died because of Argentine fire, about 30000 died in the mainland.
What people in Argentina have to keep in mind is that as long Argentina keep protecting, buying and trading with UK and UK allys they will be perpetuating the problem, what has to be done is fine UK entities penalize them at a beurocratic level using taxes, licences, regulations, or even rights with limitations, and no natural resource from Argentina should be sold to UK or their allys.
If the colonist want to go back to the motherland let them all go, if they want to get Argentine citizenship they can stay in Malvinas, how complicated is that
avargas2001 (I assume that's the year of your birth?) - the islanders are already in their 'motherland'.
However I agree with your second post, if Argentina really believes its spurious claim then it should put its money where its mouth is and cease ALL trade with the UK ..... Now I wonder who'll that affect the most?
Think - farewell , off to the C24 again is it?Rumour control has it there will be about 50 or so from your side there to counter the straight honest talking of our two. Enjoyed the debates though.
OIl Companies - no major players yet? Well BHP Billington are not exactly tiddlers you know. Also apart from them joining local FOGL there has as yet been no other call for a major to join in with their level of funds and expertise. This of course may well change in future if any results come up as commercially viable.
Dont overplay Argentina,s power in the world - many of the world,s oil majors could eat Arg for breakfast and spit out the bad bits by siesta time.
Big business will decide what happens there - not me and not you- all you and I can do is control it for safety and economic benefit, if you want to be in on the party that is.
Think has sussed out my ID, although that's not hard as I write under my own name when commenting on British newspaper articles. Not a hard connection to make. Sounds as though islander1 has a good idea who Think is ...?
Not that it matters very much ... I feel that he hasn't really gone very far. Have you Think? :-)
50 in the Argentine delegation? Still haven't worked out that superior numbers may not carry the day!
@Marco, actually I did live in Argentina during one of your many dictatorships: 1976 to 1982.
I remember very well people going wild about the Falklands invasion. Funny that! This question has been asked before, not just by me: If the military invasion was wrong, then why have subsequent, democratic Argentine governments not made a public apology?
I've also said this before: You as a nation allowed the dictatorships to occur, not just Videla/Viola/Galtieri but many times before, stretching back in your history... Ongania, Levingston, Lanusse, Aramburu, Lonardi, Rawson, Ramirez, Farrell, Uriburi, Justo, Ortiz, Castillo. Were these people elected openly and fairly? I think not... but where were all the mass uprisings against these dictators? The fact is, most of you were quite happy to let this happen, or didn't have the cojones to do something about it. Nobody imposed these dictators on you, you allowed dictatorship to happen, you have nobody to blame but yourselves!
It's funny how they can claim that it's not their fault because they had a dictatorship imposed upon them when they TO THIS DAY wish to dictate how the Falklands Islanders live.
The fact still is that Faklanders live in Malvinas and they do not have legal Argentine status on the occupied land claimed by both Argentina and britain, there is no recognized government in the island besides the unilateral british colonist scheme now in place do to the prolonged dispute by mainly britain refusal to deal with a lasting solution, who's stand is that the colonist who weren't there when the land dispute started are the sole reason for the creation of a fakland country in Islas Malvinas, in any case I feel as thought we are all being robed of our natural resources and our children will live in the left over pollutants left over in the ocean waters for eternity. Some people here belive that Argentina will lose out on a trade embargo but I think Argentia doesn't need any other country since we have enought resources to keep the 37.000.000 well fed and happy for decades to come, britain on the other hand is just a rock drifting in the the ocean with a bunch of blood suckers and pyrats willing to go anywhere and mingle with anything, just to get their next fix, in this case oil, not too different from the hey days of the East India Company http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/om/om15.htm and the occupation of Hongkong in the past, or Afghanistan in moderndays, a pirat in a suit is still a pirat, some argue that we lost fakland war but I tell them that all of Argentines know where Islas malvinas is there is no chance people will forget, and as long as Argentines don't foget life in fakland will be a cold lonely existence in the shadows of an empire that will do with your land and ocean as they wish and since the gulf of Mexico is now of limits to their delinquent countrymen, fakland will be the place for BP to roost, untill next major event when I will come and tell everyone I told you so. http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/om/om15.htm
The islands were called the Falklands long before the word Malvinas even came into existence. They have never been Argentine territory, so get over yourself Mr Vargas. The Islanders don't want to be Argentine.
Good Roberts I agree with you the colonists don't have to be Argentine, there is no land claim if they are british citizens I think they should go home since Vernet's deal with the brits was there will be no problems with the colonys, oviously this agreement was broken when the colonist allowed for british bases to be build there, as far as I knew Vernet went to britain to make a deal that there will be no problem arising from the colony, and he was allowed to govern by both Argentina and britain as long as there was no problems, but british occupation of Malvinas in 1833 became a problem wich was estipulated on the agreement wich was for problems not to arise from the colony opening the dispute for the land grab once again, but since british occupation was a withdrawal from an agreement with the Argentine Vernet government of 1829 the legitimacy of this ilegal alien occupation comes to light almost 200 years later, wich brings us back to documentation issues at the moment of solutions, it's now clear that most faklander are not even Argentines on their own merits, and yet have no legal status in the land they live since the land dispute issue makes them almost irrelevant, this means that since there is no status there is no legal base for a legitimate government to be formed besides the unilateral colonist scheme set forth by britain, recognized only by britain and themslves less then 3000 illegal aliens and a few millions penguins decreasing steadely, I always knewn Malvinas is Argentine national territoty like tierra del fuego, entre rios and many other places used by british who might soon see their land taken from under them, I feel glad that british is pushing Argentina to open their eyes and see who their enemys are, they were so stupid to think that british people mean good.
The fact still is that Faklanders live in Malvinas and they do not have legal Argentine status.
They've never needed Argentine legal status, and they never will. They've been living there peacfully for almost as long as argentina started to call herself argentina.
claimed by both Argentina and britain
We don't claim to have the islands. We HAVE the islands. The Union Jack flys over the Falklands Islands.
We did not rob you for your resources. They are the property of the people living on the islands. You was offered a join oil deal but your diplomat stormed out of the meeting, acting like a child stomping his feet.
Your nation doesn't have to forget, we don't care. You can keep moaning on about it as much as you like. We will just ignore you like the children you are. And if you pick up the courage to try a second war we will send you packing again.
What a very confused understanding of history you have avargas. Vernett was on the islands with British permission, which should indicate that the islands were British at that time. Argentina could not give him permission and the temerity that the Argentine Government showed at that time was correctly objected to by the British Ambassador.
The British did not 'occupy' the islands in the sense you mean, they merely returned to what was theirs and found it necessary to eject the trespassing Aregntine garrison who had no right to be there at all!
Apparently you 'always knew' wrongly ... the islands are British territory. The British were prepared to go to war over them in 1770/71, were prepared to enforce their sovereignty in 1833 and, albeit not declared, went to war over the islands in 1982. we'll do it again if necessary.
The islands are indisputedly British ... now get used to it!
Sr Timerman has started off in the best traditions of Argentina. In other words, he has attempted to milead as well as telling outright LIES!!
Anyone on here with, say, email contact with the Falkland Islands representative at the UN should consider forwarding appropriate material from this site with a view to proving the mendaciousness of Argentina for presentation to C24.
My opinion still stands we would not be here if fakland was a real country or if those colonist had any legitimacy, chances are that they will be in a green zone compared to the ones in Iraq and that only britain will recognize them as anything, I call this the bricks of the wall in a dictatorship dresses as a democracy, I hope they all have their british passport in order so next time there is a overnight take over they can all be shiped at the same time on the same boat we all know how that has to be done the way britain did it in 1833.
As usual, the brainwashed avargas2001 doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. Typical Argentine.
By the way, at 67, the words In other words, he has attempted to milead as well as telling outright LIES!! should have read In other words, he has attempted to mislead as well as telling outright LIES!!
Obviously practising doing it with a straight face. I wonder if Sr Timerman believes in Yahweh/Jehovah/God. Who will remind him that it is against God's law to bear false witness.
I am not making this up, the faklanders admit not to be Argentine not me, they admit to be british not faklander, they admit not to like to be in Argentina, the history states vernet went to britain to make sure there will be no problems arising from the colony and there was no problems untill britain backed out of their own agreement, leaving the colonists legal status in a limbo for 200 years, now nobody recognizes them but britain, am I making any of this up ?? NO they are the facts we deal with today, you british people wouldn't see a bull even if it's horns stabbed you in the chest.
Quite right Avargas, the Falkland Islanders are not Argentine. They should admit to being British because they are. No, they do not want to be in Argentina and indeed they are not - they're on British soil.
Vernett obtained permission from the British via the ambassador to Buenos Aires. He did not go to Britain before 1834 and only went then to seek compensation for his failed enterprise. Britain originally gave Vernett permission to go to the islands as a business venture ... the British didn't 'give' Vernett the islands, an why on earth would they agree not to go themselves ... ?? Sounds like you're making it up.
The islander's status most certainly has not been in limbo for 200 years ... their status was and is 'British'.
And yes, you are making it up.
They are the facts we deal with today, you Argentine people wouldn't see a bull even if it stared you in the face.
Your entire nation needs a good kick up the bottom. You need to grow the hell up.
These people are living there in peace not harming anyone. They have been living there for about 7-8 generations, longer than most people living in argentina. You don't, nor does ANYONE have a right to tell them where and how they can live.
Your nation will have to deal with this, because there is no way on hell or high water that the UK would allow Argentina to have ANYTHING to do with the islands for as long as the islanders wish it.
You don't have to like it, you don't have to agree with it. But you sure do have to put up with it. It's not going to change, nomatter the situation.
We are fully prepaired to back the islands in whatever form, be it ignoring your childish rants from your diplomats to all out war.
In this day and age Self determination is a basic human right, these people have inhabbited those islands for almost as long as Argentina has been a nation. You have no rights over the people living there and therefore have no rights over the islands they own.
Well said Zethe!Avargas2001 is talking pure garbage. Argentines do not respect international law, even when they vote for it. I find Argentina's policy highly offensive, reckless & criminal when they voted that resolution 1514(XV) should apply to the case of the Islanders.
Also the Islanders have clearly stated their democratic wish under resolution 1514(XV) that they wish to remain British
Realpolitik is simple. Argentina claimed effective controlled the Malvinas for a mere 4 days between October 6th-10th 1832, after their illegal garrison was planted but then revolted & killed the commandant Mestivier. Whilst the UK legally protested this illegal garrison through conventional diplomatic channels & exercises effective sovereignty for 177 years, except when Argentina made a surprise attack against its UK al Islanders in 1982 & put guns to the heads of the Islanders to force them to obey their evil plans
The British quickly & comprehensively defeated the Argentine forces without attacking the Argentine mainland & military/political centre of gravity with their full military might, due to geo-political constraints of the Cold War to maintain Argentina within the USA's sphere of influence and maintain the balance of power in the USA's favour in South America against the USSR
Now the rampant Argentine nationalism risks stupid escalation against UN will that Argentina comply with resolution 1514(XV) & support its implementation for the Islanders. Incredible!
When any person reviews the information, all sane rationale reasonable people conclude that the UK sovereignty was firmly established as de jure & de facto for longer than the Argentine Republic has existed and since the criminal murdering of the Argentine war of aggression in 1982, has forever removed the spurious Argentine claim
Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon rejects AR policy: the 16 remaining territories that still do not govern themselves must have complete freedom in deciding their future status
Roberts, did you do anything to stop UK atrocities in the past, let me mentioned to you recent one Chagos Islands, and not to forget Irak, tens of thousand of innocents civilians died due to a big British lie. No WMD found however British Petroleum got amazing deals, Great job!
@Marco: Did it escape your attention that British policy on the Chagos Islands & their people was terribly wrong, in the same way that Argentine policy on the Malvinas & their people is terrible wrong?
That is why when Argentina sent its military to the Islands in 1982 & put guns to the heads of the Islanders & their children to make them submit to Argentine oppression against the UN Charter attacking a fellow member of the UN, directly in contravention to the solemn UN resolution 1514(XV) & Argentine solemn undertakings of resolution 2065(XX) to act peacefully, the decent people of the world said no and demanded Argentina be removed according to Article 51 which provides the right of self-defence against military aggression to the Islanders & UN Security Council Resolution 502 which requires the removal of all Argentine presence on the Falklands Islands.
Has it not occurred to you the British were in Iraq ENFORCING UN resolutions passed by the General Assembly as a responsible member of the UN Security Council, for no benefit to itself? The cost of the UK's enforcement of UN resolutions, has been far greater in life, limb & economic cost.
Now Iraq enjoys peace & democracy rather than an evil tyrannical dictatorship, but I can see why an Argentine might prefer the latter to the former, given their long history of fascist juntas.
So yes, great job. Even Argentina support the Gulf War.
big British lie. No WMD
I think if you actually took the time to read anything rather than point fingers you would realise it was a big American lie
Has it not occurred to you the British were in Iraq ENFORCING UN resolutions passed by the General Assembly as a responsible member of the UN Security Council, for no benefit to itself? The cost of the UK's enforcement of UN resolutions, has been far greater in life, limb & economic cost.
Domingo has a perfect point here, As a member of the UN Security council we have an obligation to help out in times of crysis. A job that it seems only the UK and US pull their weight in doing so.
A few passing thoughts:
Comment 70. avargas2001 is incorrect. The Falkland Islanders do not admit that they are not Argentine. They are glad they aren't. They don't admit to being British, they are proud of it. And Argentine people are so stupid, they can't even admit they are wrong after losing a war. do they have to get a couple of horns in the butt?
Comment 72.
Care needs to be taken over assertions about occupancy and national existence. Careful examination strongly suggests that the Falkland Islanders were there BEFORE Argentina became a nation (technically). It can be disputed whether Argentina is actually a nation rather than the descendants of rebels. Even given nationhood, it is certainly not mature.
Comment 73.
avargas ALWAYS talks garbage. Regrettably, rationale and rational are not the same thing.
Comment 74.
Marco is attempting to emulate avargas in exuding garbage. Describe how the removal of the inhabitants of the Chagos Archipelago was an atrocity. And Marco conveniently forgets to mention that they were removed so that the USA could build a military base. (But he wouldn't want to upset the USA that he no doubt thinks is supporting Argentina). And then the dumb-dumb goes on to quote tens of thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths. The Multinational Force Iraq composed troops of 40 nations. Four of them were South American. Can he quote the sources for attributing particular numbers of deaths to British Armed Forces? Of course not. But there was little sign of Argentina taking part. Argentines were probably keeping their fingers crossed for Saddam. Similarities? Saddam massacred people in his own country. So has Argentina. Saddam invaded an adjacent peaceful country (Kuwait). So has Argentina. Looks like Argentina is a cross between Nazi Germany (remember it was a refuge for war criminals) and Saddam's Iraq. And then there's South America's Adolf/Saddam clone, Hugo Chavez.
Marco- you earlier claimed that Arg killed nobody here in 1982? Sorry but YES THEY DID - 3 Islanders were killed as a direct result of the Argentine invasion and flat refusal of disobeying the manadatory UN Security Council Resolution 502 which demanded their withdrawl. As a result Britain was entitled to - and had to use military force to expel Argentina - so Argentina was directly and fully responsible for those 3 civilian deaths - and all the property damage and mental damage sufferred by Islanders then and since.
We hated you then for that - and today 2010, whilst we do not hate the Argentine people - we do indeed hate the Argentine Government for its two faced hypocrisy of Colonial ambitions and agressive bullyboy actions.
Arvgas - you would be surprised just how many S. American countries whilst playing lipservice to Arg tantrums and offering paper support to their fantasy claims in public - actually quietly recognise the Falkland Islands.
By the end of this week the annual splutters of the Committee of 24 will be all over yet again. Funny that in 2005 our Govt invited the UN 24 Committee to send a team here on an impartial fact-finding visit - so they could see for themselves and not rely on just what the delegations say. Result - a deafening silence - they were to scared and embarrassed to even reply!
Hoyt did you forget about 1806/1807/1845 an april 2 1982?
Islander the 3 ladies were killed by British naval bombing, you know that.
And Irak atrocities and lies was part of Blair and Bush(DUMB AND DUMBER) ideas not the UN.
I love it when Argies bring up the example of the Chagossians and yet that's exactly what they intend to do to the Falkland Islanders. Trample all over the islanders' rights, especially self determination. You can't be the sharpest knife in the drawer Marcos...
Marco, you failed to read what I said - who fired the shell is immaterial - who CAUSED the war was the country who directly caused the death of civilians. There has never been a war fought without civilian deaths - due to the skill and professionalism of the british forces in 1982 there were very few - but Argentina was the cause. You side nearly killedd some in the original invasion on 2 April! And that shell would not have been fired anyway if Arg had not deliberatley broken basic Geneva Convcention Codes that you should not put heavy artillery weapons and missile launchers close to and in civilian areas.
Iraq? as Hoytred says what has that to do with the Falklands? Britain has been out of Iraq for some time - as was there as part of a multination coalition whatever peoples personal views.Actually mine are that it was all wrong, but its all history now anyway.
As I have pointed out before, although Marcos obviously can't read anything because he's desperately trying to remember what someone told him to say:
1806 and 1807 were attacks by British expeditionary forces on outposts of the Spanish Empire, at the time a puppet-state of the Napoleonic French Empire with which Britain was at war. Argentina didn't exist.
1845. An Anglo-French naval squadron defeated and passed an embargo put in place by Juan Manuel de Rosas, dictator of the so-called Argentine Confederation, in an attempt to stop or profit from Anglo-French trade with Argentine inland cities that de Rosas did not control.
Describe how the removal of the inhabitants of the Chagos Archipelago was an “atrocity”. And Marco conveniently forgets to mention that they were removed so that the USA could build a military base. (But he wouldn't want to upset the USA that he no doubt thinks is supporting Argentina). And then the dumb-dumb goes on to quote tens of thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths. The Multinational Force Iraq composed troops of 40 nations. Four of them were South American. Can he quote the sources for attributing particular numbers of deaths to British Armed Forces?
C'mon Marco, ante up. Quote your referenced sources for your comments. Or admit that you are just spouting government-inspired crap.
they say that desperate people say anything to claim what they do or say is correct, but time and time again they are proved as lies , and rubbish talk from ill educated people that refuse to accept the truth. some times it is a waste trying to help them, sadly if you are brain dead , then brain dead you are.
so once again the truth tries to help these poor people to see the light, the Malvinas do not exist [ony in your head] the Falkland people will remain British, and the argentine people can do nothing, you all live in your own little world, they all work from their little book called, [the world according to Argentina] , the future is simple, grow up, stop acting like children, and look at the rest of the world laughing at you,, the big tough guy on the block picking on little kiddies, but when real men arrive, the argentines go running for their mummies and booklets,
please Argentina, grow up stop acting like children , and rejoin the human race as decent people, nut stupid kids. .[replies please by the unbelievers] long live great Britain and St George the protector of the little peoples,,,,,,
The Multinational Force Iraq composed troops of 40 nations. Four of them were South American. Can he quote the sources for attributing particular numbers of deaths to British Armed Forces?
I believe that British military doctrine would give us the lowest civilian casualty rate, the troops are actually complaing about it due to our own deaths.
Look at other countrys, turky set up a black market, Germany bombed civilians then tried to cover it up and america is notorious to shoot first then ask questions.
the world is a funny place to live isn’t it, in 1914-18 we were best friends with the japs, 1941-46, Enemies , USA..1776-and 1801 enemies with the British, 1940s-to present we are friends, what a funny old world,
perhaps Argentina would like to become a county of the UK .What wonders would you receive, [cant tell you, as you would all be over here]
but the future will tell, but we will meet again perhaps ? if we beet Germany lololol
Obama looking for “whose ass to kick” in ARGENTINES
In his angriest words yet after being widely criticized for his response to the Argentinean problem with Great Britain says, President Barrack Obama said he was talking to experts because he wants to know “whose ass to kick.” Down their.
Haha Do you mean if you beat Germany in the world cup? Haha a very tough task mate but possible so we can face you again. Haha this will be great!
“perhaps Argentina would like to become a county of the UK”
May be we will conquer you first and turn you a northern province of Argentina. Umm. Is not a bad Idea after all. Don’t you think so?
Think how much of these problems we can solve.
1- The Islanders wannabe British will not complain to become part of Argentina all of them will be happy.
2- You will not have more frictions with the Germans as we are a very good friends.
3- You will eat better and get rid of the boring fish & chips stuff.
4- You would not have to hear Elton John in any celebration of the Queen.
5- You will have more football world cups as you ever dreamed instead o the tinny record of 1.
6- You would learn a new wonderful language instead of the boring English only useful to say the weather report.
7- You will not have to invade other countries for oil.
8- And best at all you will integrate the selective club of nations that growth instead of to become the new PIG in the block and end like Greece.
After all between us how many times have you felt proud of being British in the last years?
There is nothing to be proud off mate the good days have gone in the old empire.
.. After all between us how many times have you felt proud of being British in the last years? ....
Still a BIG country albeit on a number of small islands. Still the 6th biggest GDP in the world which makes us bigger than Russia, still a main player at the UN which allows us to ignore you ...... me, I'm right proud :-)
May be we will conquer you first and turn you a northern province of Argentina. Umm. Is not a bad Idea after all. Don’t you think so?
You would first have to create a navy capable of carrying your troops across the ocean, beating the RN, then our army. Not even remotely likely. Quite amusing, Actually.
Oh you'd also have to invent, build and staff some new aircraft to go along with that.
In short, You have more chance of colonising mars within the next two years.
I don't see why you rate your military so high, It's quite frankly awfull.
The Islanders wannabe British will not complain to become part of Argentina all of them will be happy.
No. Not ever..
You would learn a new wonderful language instead of the boring English only useful to say the weather report.
English is the worlds international language for science, media, diplomacy, military and air controll. It is the worlds first global language. It's quite usefull :)
You will not have to invade other countries for oil.
Why when we can buy all that lovely oil from our friends in the falklands? :)
As a US citizen uruguayan born, now living in Uruguay since 2004, I feel very upset over our neighbor Argentina. In 1982 I was living in Miami and I offered my service to go to war for Argentina. If I was wrong !!...I didn't realize then, the similarities with Nazi Germany or the former USSR. South America is in great danger under the leftish-socialist-communist governments. They’re united against freedom. Argentina will never stop their insane claims over the Falkland Islands. Uruguayan people are weak and being led by the Frente Amplio, a hard left government, puppets of the argentinian government run by the Kirchners. My heart is with you, kelpers. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. Sir Winston Churchill.
(96) Liberty
Wooow.... another Born Again South American.
You are the third this week!
I will ask from you the same I asked the others.
Liberty.... Just to make sure we are dialoguing to the right person;
Would you mind translating your own concepts below to Spanish?
It shouldn’t take more than 3 minutes, as they are, after all, your own words and you are Uruguayan!
”South America is in great danger under the leftish-socialist-communist governments. They’re united against freedom. Argentina will never stop their insane claims over the Falkland Islands. Uruguayan people are weak and being led by the Frente Amplio, a hard left government, puppets of the argentinian government run by the Kirchners.”
Of course you are free to ignore my request.
The others did so!
And they went!
Well Islanders you’ve got at least one supporter of your fight against Argentina oppression here “Liberty” the Uruguayan Yank super hero ready to joint your army to take over Argentina. Haha
You cannot fail with this kind of support mates I start to fear now really.
93 NicoDin
well my friens, the supporters of the british have shown you who they support ? britain forever.
but we will see you soon as soon as we have desposed of germany..
we will do the same to you..Unless we are feeling very charitable and let you win for once lolol
Think , NicoDin and other supporters of Argentina and its government. The spanish History Channel is playing a documentary on Peron's pro Nazi era. Nothing has change; you still believe that your country has the right to bully small nations like Uruguay and the Falklands. You'll never change; it's in your genes, your arrogance in overlooking the rights of your neighbors. Uruguay is under the influence of a leftish hard core government and the opposition parties are lackeys. For decades surrendered Uruguay's sovereignty to Argentina and Brazil. The Falklands belong to the kelpers for almost 2 centuries. Learn how to mind your own land and leave your neighbors in peace.
Think, why do you accuse me of making false statements ?...It doesn't make sense. In today's world most humans have access to free information. Only fanatics refuse to study and learn it. Uruguay lost part of his northern territory around the same time England found the Falkland’s islands desolated. Eventually people moved in and dedicated to farm sheep, fishing, etc. The Argentinean claims to the islands are no different than Uruguayans claiming our lost territories to Brazil. Let the kelpers live in their home. They love their heritage and for sure don't want to be Argentinean citizens.
(106) Liberty
I repeat my post from yesterday.....
Ohhh.... another Born Again South American.
You are the third this week!
I will ask from you the same I asked the others.
Liberty.... Just to make sure I’m dialoguing to the right person;
Would you mind translating your own concepts below to Spanish?
It shouldn’t take more than 3 minutes, as they are, after all, your own words nd you are Uruguayan!.
”South America is in great danger under the leftish-socialist-communist governments. They’re united against freedom. Argentina will never stop their insane claims over the Falkland Islands. Uruguayan people are weak and being led by the Frente Amplio, a hard left government, puppets of the argentinian government run by the Kirchners.”
Of course you are free to ignore my request.
The others did so!
And they went!
....& I have never claimed to be South America, because, quite evidently with my English usage & syntax, I am clearly not. Although my name is Domingo!
I am glad my credibility is intact in Think's eyes - whew!
I also speak more than one language fluently, does this increase my credibility in your scoring system Think? If linguistic ability counts, I think I can claim an increase of a 2.3 credibility factor at least!
106 Think: It doesn't matter if you believe my background or not. As I grew up I heard the name Malvinas and never paid attention to it. All started in 1982 (already apologized for my mistake, offering my military services to Argentina during that time). In 1997 I bought my 1st computer. Then I dedicated time to do research, later in 2004 I moved back to Uruguay and then I really found out the kind of neighbors Uruguay has. Your country is a dangerous place, your nuclear obsolete plants among other things. The real danger lies in the minds of millions of argentineans and their governments. Claiming the Falklands over and over again it's not going to get you anywhere. Galtieri, his military junta and the argentinean people paid a high price, also the natives and England. 28 years later, after your country lost the war, nothing has changed. Argentina will be whining to the end of time, just for national pride and arrogance.
(111)
You say:
It doesn't matter if you believe my background or not.
I say:
Yes it does.
You fake a South American so other people listen to what you want to say.
112 Think: I tell you more, I have an argentinean legal residence done in 1992 ( now past due) . I lived almost 2 years in Buenos Aires. Stick to the bloody subject as the English might say. First Argentine Jewish Foreign Affairs, Timerman. He really has a conflict of interest. He attacks England reclaiming the Falklands for Argentina. His jewish home land was handed by England in cooperation with the League of Nations, later the UN to the Jews. Isn’t he a kind of “Judas” ...what do you think of him and your government ?
I am a Brutish citizen, born and raised in Brutain and I vehemently demand an immediate retaliatory nuclear bombardment of Montevideo by the Brutish Royal Navy.
Why?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Larrionda
That’s why!
NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was a South American jewish no-nazi colonialist Chavez inspired conspiration in form of a corrupt little brownish man from Uruguay!!!!!!!!!!
That would be a bad investment mate.
After all you should have to use at least 1 missile what would cost 17m quids to do 30 quids worth of damage. Uncle Sam and Lockheed happy haha
What about if I give you 50 quids to buy some fish & chips or Kebabs from your favorite Turkish corner shop? So you can eat a week more after the Cameron cutting stuff.
It’s a good offer. Doesn’t it?
Think about it...
@Liberty
“He really has a conflict of interest. He attacks England reclaiming the Falklands for Argentina. His jewish home land was handed by England in cooperation with the League of Nations, later the UN to the Jews. Isn’t he a kind of “Judas” ...what do you think of him and your government ?”
I think you are a poor person full of prejudices. What have to do his religion with a conflict of interest?
He is Argentinean professing the Jewish religion as many Argies professing catholic Roman religion or protestant or nothing. Why did you spot or judge him or performance based on his religion.
I didn’t hear you say that Cristina would have a conflict of interest because she is from Catholic background with the Vatican interest.
Don’t you see a little bit of anti-Judaism and Anti-Semitism in your words?
Your little Nazi has appeared after all very strange from someone who is calling Argentineans Nazis.
If you are so stupid to come back to a country like Uruguay that is little and not take it into account in the world is not our fault go back to Miami and play the Yank wannabe there mate.
I think that your ego is bigger than Uruguay and Brazil together.
Mercopress please write something about Uruguay like the new superpower in South America Liberty needs some attention ASAP.
@Stick
Cameron is afraid that's all none cares about what he says just words.
Argentina will continue doing what her please as always does.
You should know very well that.
NicoDin; Tommahawks cost just over 500,000. Not 17 million lol.
Cameron is afraid that's all none cares about what he says just words.
Argentina will continue doing what her please as always does.
You should know very well that.
I believe you've got that the wrong way around?
It's your nation that no-one is listening too, and Britian who is just doing as she pleases(oil, ect).
I can't tell british citizens how to live when they are in britain, but when they are in Argentina they must have their citizenship, if they don't want to have the citizenship they can go back to their motherland britain. they are not natives, soo they have no right to self determination as real natives do, I never heard the Argentine government deal with UK or the colonist over Malvinas, accoring to UN there can be no unilateral changes in the island status, and there is no government still, unless UK and the pirats desided to change the status quo unilaterally, if UN doesn't care about the unilateral changes, I doubt the UN can legitimize anything in the island, rendering UN meaningless for everyone working with them, british people have being a pest to all of humanity.
Ok, lets take what you said seriously(lol). You think that anyone who is not a native is not entitled to Self Determination?
As an argentinian you are not a native to the country you live in. Therefore you are not entitled to Self determination and your government is invalid. You should therefore cede your soveriginity to spain or all move back to spain.
Also, as you are not entitled to self determination(your words). You can no longer claim territory such as the falklandas, let alone the territory you currently live in.
Or is this another case of do as i say and not as i do?
You say NUKE and the only available weapon you can use for that propose is Trident and the cost is close to 17m each call Lockheed Martin for and accurate quotation.
The same as the 2 lost by you during the conflict of 1982 in our waters I just wonder where the 2 toys are now. Have you got any idea? haha
The American “Tommahawks” that by the way is “BGM 109 Tomahawk” it is banned to be used for carry nuclear warhead by the Americans in fact it is inactivated to be used by any W80 nuclear warhead or device.
So you have to stick with conventional 450kg conventional explosives.
And of course you should have to think about the consequences to a direct attack over Argie soil we will take revenge by any possible mean. So be sure to kill all of us in one shot what will require a lot of your Tridents else you will end like a Bugger king burned.
Oh, i assumed you reffered to Tommahawks. We would not nuke your country, lol.
By the way, 17 million is not a lot when you have a budget of 40-60 billion. Infact it would be cheaper to nuke argentina than to keep the base in the falklands running! But like i said, we aren't in the business of using nukes.
As far as nukes being banned from tommahawks, the americans have:
BGM-109A Tomahawk Land Attack Missile - Nuclear (TLAM-N) with a W80 nuclear warhead.
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Jun 21st, 2010 - 04:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0malvinas is a consequence of USA and Brazil relationship
Here we go again ... must be the annual C-24 ... same old stuff, year after year .....
Jun 21st, 2010 - 06:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Billy, well done, totally wrong yet again, the Falklands Islands are a consequence of a) continental drift b) 320 years of British sovereignty and c) the fact that the islanders wish to remain British. Quite where the US and Brazil come into it I can't wait to hear :-)
By the way, what the new man's Jewishness got to do with anything? He's either good at his job or well connected, his religion doesn't appear relevant! Mind you, not a great start - ”... We want to solve the conflict with the UK peacefully and around a negotiations table. If we haven’t sat at a table it’s not because of Argentina....”.
Please note Mr. New Man that a) there isn't any conflict because Britain is confident of her sovereignty and b) why sit down at a table if there's nothing to discuss? Doesn't make sense!
Not quite so Junior,
Jun 21st, 2010 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 01) There are rumors at the UN that they have contracted a new Catering Firm. No more english Babby’s Yead. “Fray Bentos Gentle” on the menu from now on. Yummmmy!!!
2) The C24 annual ritual but this year promises to be much tenser since Argentina has launched a package of measures to counter the oil exploration round begun last February in Falklands’ waters.
3) Religion seems to be relevant; MercoPress uses the J** word 5 times in this short article!
4) Why sit down at the table? Isn’t nbr.1) reason enough?
Tell me when has Argentina ever agreed to talks without wishing to predefine the outcome? It demands talks but only on its terms.
Jun 21st, 2010 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0You were offered talks with an open agenda but the response was Argentina would only talk about transfer of sovereignty and would not allow the Falkland Islanders to participate.
So If we haven’t sat at a table it’s not because of Argentina is BS.
Tenser ? ... can't see how. The British don't go and the Argentine delegation will leave when the Falkland Islanders stand up to speak!
Jun 21st, 2010 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0They may give them some dirty, even 'tense' looks on their way out mind :-)
(5) Hoyt
Jun 21st, 2010 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0You don´t want to taste our Spam?
How impolite!
About dirty looks....
Any bonnie lassie attending ?;-)
Argentina has launched a package of measures to counter the oil exploration round begun last February in Falklands’ waters
Jun 21st, 2010 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yea, and a fat load of difference those made...
Argentina does not have a leg to stand on. And the funny thing is, even if you did?
Jun 21st, 2010 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0The almighty veto.
Good luck, have fun.
(8) zethe
Jun 21st, 2010 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0!?! The Almighty Veto !?!
Sounds very powerful.....
Is it praying to the Lord you mean?
It's a negative vote from being on the UN security council. it means even if by some bizarre reason people actually decide to listen to your nation. The veto would would make any sanctions obsolete.
Jun 21st, 2010 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Being on the security council has it's benefits. But we won't even have to use the veto.
It has nothing to do with the security council unless Argentina invades again. In fact they only ever bring up the issue in forums where it has no relevance.
Jun 21st, 2010 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ICJ is the place to go - but they'd lose their case, their cause celebre and their distracting rallying cry when opinion polls are down.
(10) zethe
Jun 21st, 2010 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.
The UNSC British Veto Right used on the Falklands.....?....!
That would be a “Political Dream Scenario” for Argentina and the rest of the progressive forces at the UN.
I wish they would, but sadly, your diplomats are not daft.
Suez ! Rhodesia ! Falklands ?
Bad idea old chap.
11 Idlehands: I know mate, i never mentioned about other members of the SC getting involved. I was just explaining the fact that the Veto(which comes along with being on the SC) Gives us the right to block any legislation regarding the UK or it's overseas territory's.
Jun 21st, 2010 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That would be a “Political Dream Scenario” for Argentina and the rest of the progressive forces at the UN.
Explain this please? I don't see how. First, you would have to encourage enough people to back you in gaining sanctions against the Falklands which is so unlikely it's a joke.
Then second, if this was to happen, a veto would just stop any sanctions dead in it's path. I fail to understand how that would be good for Argentina, It's not a set back Think. The veto is a complete stop to any legislation regarding the UK or it's personal interests if the UK so wishes to use it.
In short Zethe
Jun 21st, 2010 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) An GB-SC would spotlightthe Falklands Issue for a broader Forum.
We want that. You don't.
2) An GB-SC would spotlight the Permanent Members Veto Issue for a broader Forum.
We want that. You don't.
The UN is not as straight forward as many in here tend to think.
I think the UK and FIG should start shouting from the rooftops that they should take it to the ICJ - indeed every time Argentina mentions it. I don't think the UK really cares what broader forum Argentina chooses to bring the matter to as it makes no difference.
Jun 21st, 2010 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It won't be long before Argentina starts complaining about Brazil getting a permanent seat on the UNSC while they don't.
Think. For the UK to even have to use a Veto you would have had to had enough support for you to get legislation regarding the FI. Adding more spotlight to the situation after that would make no difference.
Jun 21st, 2010 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is after all, a hypothetical situation. if Argentina was to get enough spotlight and support. In the end, it wouldn't matter. Because a veto is the last say in the matter.
Also We want that. You don't. We don't 'not' want that, we don't care. Shout it from the rooftops. We have nothing to hide, nothing to fear.
Nothing to hide is a tad exaggerated.
Jun 21st, 2010 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Everybody in Latin America can see through it.
Oil and resources under the disguise of human rights.
But If you, as a free British citizen chose to see it that way, be my guest.
It's funny how the same oil and those resources make Argentina blind to human rights and international law...
Jun 21st, 2010 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(16) zethe
Jun 21st, 2010 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For your kind info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_veto_power#cite_note-6
Twink
Jun 21st, 2010 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm interested in what sort of point you think you're making at no. 19. Care to elucidate?
And with regard to your comment at no. 14, while you were casting about for an obscure reference instead of making your point, did you notice which Permanent Members have used the veto most.
But perhaps, like your President, you don't actually understand which UN resolutions are binding, if anyone is paying attention.
These Argentinians have a habit of linking websites and expecting everyone else to get their point without leaving any explanation at all.
Jun 21st, 2010 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've already shown from my previous posts that i understand the concept of the veto.
Nothing to hide is a tad exaggerated.
Nothing to hide is absolutely and unequivocally correct in every sense of the term. We've been protecting these islands way before the oil was even a fading resource.
Everybody in Latin America can see through it.
Thankfully the rest of the modern world are a tad more civilized.
Anyway, back to Foreign Minister Timerman. At last, someone from Mossad on the inside!
Jun 21st, 2010 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(21) Zethe
Jun 21st, 2010 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thankfully the rest of the modern world are a tad more civilized.
I love when you Brits think little of us the Small People.
It 's one of the few occasions when you are sincere.
And makes our job easier.
When you act that way, you'll be treated that way.
Jun 21st, 2010 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A witty saying proves nothing.
Jun 21st, 2010 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Voltaire
Which is pretty well as much as Argentina has managed to prove re. its claim in the last 177 years.
Jun 21st, 2010 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0zethe is right in that the British have been prepared to protect their sovereignty regardless of the issue of oil as seen in 1771 and 1833. Whether oil was considered a factor in 1982 is a moot point.
This whinge from Argentina will only ever make the security council again if Argentina goes for the hat trick. The world doesn't care about Argentina's case. It's just one of a long list of border disputes that may never be resolved. There are more important and more immediate issues for the world.
The Falkland Islands don't register on anyone's radar except Argentina's. And even their neighbours will juggle their support to favour themselves. Its politics.
A witty saying may not prove anything, but then again it doesn't have to. It makes a point.
The record suggests that successive UK governments have considered the British claim to the islands to be weak, and some have favoured negotiations.
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your records are scratched!
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody favours negotiations now, nor will again. The islanders rule the day on that, but make no mistake, the 1982 invasion with take many generations to forget. The dead have families and that memory will linger! Politicians will not be allowed to forget.
If the islander's had a sufficiently powerful lobby to prevent a joint sovereignty approach, how powerful do you think the lobby of the dead is?
Argentina didn't shoot itself in the foot in 1982, it blew it off!
Hoytred, Well stated. 1982 removed any form of credulity and decency to Argentine Claims - they forfeited them and its irrelevant to claim that was the act of a miltary junta etc - after all the Govt of today makes exactly the same claim! Britain WAS negotiating with Argentina and the future of sovereignty WAS on the table up to April 1982. Now it is off permanently - unless the people of the Islands wish to put it back there - or Argentina can accept an Independent Islands that would remove the British bit which seems to be the main issue to me.
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for all the fuss about minerals offshore - WHO has been making all the fuss? and WHO walked out of bilateral talks and agreements in a huff?
Britain DID honour the 1965 Un Gen Aseembly wish - discussions were started in the 1970s - but it gradually became apparent that one side(guess who?) could only entertain one eventual solution - the Islands becoming theirs totally regardless of the wishes of the people who have lived here for many generations.
A Shooting War failed miserably in 1982 and sadly cost over 1000 lives - all the result of Argentine greed and colonial ambitions.
Over the last few year we have come under an increasing Colonial BullyBoy Economic War - are they winning at all? - sorry no sign of it over this way folks!
One day we might see a future Arg Govt say”Ok we will not give up our claim that the Brits stole our land, but lets see if we can find a way that the Brits leave and the people who live there end up with it and both side can walk away without loss of face. Maybe Pigs might fly as well!
Your brothers in UK want you to go to New Zealand to live, we let you stay but under our white an blue flag
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 04:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nearly 40 years ago, in November 1968, I travelled to the Falklands with a group of diplomats in what was Britain's first and last attempt to get shot of the islands. Lord Chalfont, then a minister at the Foreign Office, was the leader of this expedition. He had the unenviable task of trying to persuade the 2,000 islanders that the British empire might not last for ever - and that they should start to entertain the notion they might be better off being friendly to their near-neighbour, Argentina, which had long claimed the islands. This was the moment when Britain was abandoning its east of Suez policy for financial reasons, and thinking of ways of winding up its residual empire. We had already forcibly deported the inhabitants of Diego Garcia in 1967 without much hostile publicity, and settled them in Mauritius and the Seychelles, handing over their islands to the Americans to build a gigantic air base. The Falklands were next on the list. Maybe the islanders could be paid to set up sheep farms in New Zealand.
Marco - did you not understand a single word of the previous two entries? Or are you just so blind that you cannot see, in the face of all the evidence, that the slim chance that Argentina had prior to 1982 has gone. Gone for ever!
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe the islanders could be paid to set up sheep farms in New Zealand
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jees the sheer arrogance of that statement,apart from the claim to the Falklands do they teach you anything else in your schools,the word empathy perhaps ,could we pay you to go to another spanish speaking part of the world, take up the cleaning trade in the USA
@Marco: Your brothers in UK want you to go to New Zealand to live, we let you stay but under our white an blue flag
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is laughable. The reality is Argentina has no say whatsoever in what happens in the Falklands & the truth is Argentina never has had any say. Even the whalers & sealers ignored the miniscule Vernet settlement & Commandant Mestivier only managed four days rule before being murdered by his own people.
Sadly in 1982 Argentina illegally invaded a peaceful Island people in an attempt to steal their lands & subjugate them by gun, Argentina started an illegal war of aggression contrary to the UN Charter & resolutions 1514(XV) and 2065(XX)
Thus the Islanders quite rightly & unsurprisingly say now quite freely that our expressed, democratic wish is to remain British. It is time the Argentine Government accepted that & secure their rights under resolution 1514(XV), which Argentina voted to apply to the Islanders.
Argentina shall never have a say in the Falklands Islands & the British Military will guarantee the freedom of the Islanders.
The British will never leave, because the Islanders want them there and the British want to be there to protect the Islanders from Argentine led aggression, be it direct force, or military or economic coercion.
The British are stronger than the Argentines, Argentina understands this and can do nothing
The British will not leave their other South Atlantic territories because they have established them entirely legally & Argentine claims to them is entirely historical fantasy, indoctrinated by successive fascist junta regimes using the Hitler Big Lie propaganda technique expounded in Mein Kampf
Sadly Argentines have been indoctrinated with a nationalist political ideology by their compulsory state education system teaching of a flawed & misleading history which eliminates any key facts which contradict their nationalist claim
Realpolitik: Argentina lets nothing, the fact is FIG & UK own the the Falklands
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Jun 22nd, 2010 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0I've never heard of the etc!, who were they then? :-)
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well Chaps...
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0It has been a pleasure (specially Hyt and Isl)...
But really .... I got to go now....
As some of you know by now, I’m not entirely “impartial” or absolutely misinformed about the “Malvinas issue”
Time spend in here has not been a complete waste of time. I learned that:
1) Argentina’s government is not worried about the “Malvinas Oil Boom”. This “bubble” is being run by four small, capital weak “Designer Oil Companies” (Des.l, Fogl.l, Rkh.l, Bsth.l) fashioned in Britain, for the sole purpose of exploiting the Malvinas Basin oil. Recycled BP and FIC managers compose the boards of these companies. No “big actors” have shown any real interest.
2) Argentina’s government is thoughtfully reading all the reports of the defunct “Argentine-UK South Atlantic Fisheries Commission” (SAFC) to find out how best to catch all the migrating species in our jurisdiction, before they reach Malvinas waters, thus denying the Territory their principal source of renevue.
3) Argentina’s clear strategy is (besides all that diplomatic mumbo-jumbo) to make it impracticable for any private company to operate with profits in the Malvinas area.
4) Argentina,s government is creating confidence with our three neighbors (Brazil, Uruguay and Chile) taking more than interesting steps to get them to ”put their money where their mouth is “ by refusing any contact with the British Overseas Territory. One such step is the reduction of our imbecile “armed forces” from 120.000 to fewer than 40.000 in the last years. (Personally I think 1 is still too many :-)
I’ll drop by periodically if and when word affairs go our way just to brag:
“I TOLD YOU SO !”
I’ll drop by periodically if and when word affairs go our way
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thats goodbye then,nice to have known you
As you are only planning on coming back after things do go your way, i won't hold my breath.
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have fun.
haven't we been waiting with baited breath for 180 years for things to go Argentina's way?
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guess we've seen the back of think then .... permanently.
I seem to remember a comment from Islander that would suggest he has at least some idea of who you are. Whatever. Best of luck. Life is a game after all. The upside with this particular area of life, is that time may, or ideed may not, tell.
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe I'll live long enough to hear your, I told you so ....... I'll try my best :-)
Salut
Oh, how boring of you Think. You obviously have the ctrl-c ctrl-v worked out, at least that's something...
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Think: ¡buenaventura
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0W.r.t. post #36 comments 2, 3 & 4 remember, resolution 1514(XV) forbids military or economic coercion against the Falklands, specifically:
All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.
Chile, Uruguay & Brasil all voted for resolution 1514(XV) and all voted it should apply to the case of the Falklands/Malvinas, as did Argentina, and all member states of the UN are bound to obey resolution 1514(XV).
Bye bye, Twinky
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have no great hope for the New Boy ... according to the Buenos Aires Herald he believes that the UN has 'told' the British to negotiate!
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0He's gonna struggle as a Foreign Minister with such a poor understanding of where the UN sits in the great scheme of things.
Of course he couls ask Iran, or Israel, or, lets say China, Russia or the US, all of whom have defied 'resolutions' (I use the small 'r' on purpose) recently, be it over atomic weapons or 'colonies', whether they be on the C-24 list or not!
He's shaping up to be another fool!
As far as I am aware onlt the UN Security Council can issue binding resolutions.
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All the rest is just jibber jabber to keep the 3rd world involved and happy.
In reality Argentina had two options. ICJ and Military action.
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the best shot they would have would be a military strike within the next 3-4 years. Our forces are in a bit of a state from waging two wars and our carriers/planes are due to be upgraded soon.
They would have to throw everything they have at the base to reach the islands though. After we've received our new carriers and f35's it would be suicide.
And as the the ICJ, well... I doubt even they think they could win that battle.
Hoytred
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regarding your comment at no 44. I would disagree with you in only one respect. There is NO hope for the New Boy. He is apparently on record as stating that foreign policy is defined by the Botox Queen.
The war of 1982 was wrong and long ago, we did not have control over our criminal dictators that murdered so many in the mainland. However the British Gov. was not better and far worse than our drunk dictator.
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/jul/23/congo.comment
Marco, You can look at the bad parts of the old empire easily, there were a lot of them.
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We weren't the only empire. And i certainly don't think we was the worst. Was the British who abolished slavery, and unlike most empires most of our colony's were given there freedom as we entered the modern world. Most of the main ex British country's are now first class economy's also. Look at the state of other empires ex colony's.
We did a lot of bad stuff, that was in ancient times, Britain has since grown up and believes in democracy and self determination.
Argentina still to this day wants to colonize the Falklands and 1982 was not that long ago...
The war of 1982 was wrong and long ago.... yes, and the British Empire was wrong and long ago, dismantled long before 1982.
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You might not have had control over your dictators Marco, but you as a nation allowed dictatorship to develop. You Argentines, all of you, created the environment for it to occur. That doesn't take away from the brave people who fought against it and lost much, but at the end of the day it was your creation. Nobody imposed it on you. You are 100% to blame.
it really does not matter what or who the Argentina government speak to. their is nothing [fact] nothing they or anyone else can do abt it,
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has only two choices 1, war- or 2, talk to the Falkland islanders, except who they are-what they-where they are.
and accept their right to choose who they wish to stay with.
at this moment in time, they wish to remain British, and as long as Argentina are nasty-rude and ignorant of these facts, they will never persuade the Falkland islander to except them as even friends, some may disagree with this, but facts are facts, and history has shown that in the end every conflict their ever was. was settles by talking peace terms, so all i can say to Argentina is this, when you grow up and listen and except the islander as friends , in the first intent, you will get nowhere, the Falkland people have rights, and one of those right are accepted all over the world except [dictatorships] that that is a right to self determination and to live in peace , without threat or harassment, and that is exactly what the argentines are doing
[threatening] and [harassing] a tiny defenceless neighbour who wants nothing more, that to live in peace, and remain British, [long live great Britain]
maybe the argentines should ask the question why do the islanders choose to remain british? its not because we tell them to, its because of your attitude of thinking you own them and the fact that you invaded there small farms and treated them like shit, you say you wont forgett about the falklands and your sovereignty, but they wont ever forget what you put them through, that among other reasons is why the choose to have nothing to do with you, and i dont blame them
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marco, I didn't realise that the Guardian was such a best seller in Argentina.... that could explain a lot. Mrs. T may have been a tad forceful but at least she was voted in .... twice as I recall. Just the PM for the job in '82.
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the colonist want to go back to the motherland let them all go, if they want to get Argentine citizenship they can stay in Malvinas, how complicated is that ? In Canada I had to get citizenship and whenever they want they call you back to get some other paper, does this privilege depend on skin colour ?
Jun 22nd, 2010 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Roberts says You might not have had control over your dictators Marco, but you as a nation allowed dictatorship to develop. , but at the end of the day it was your creation. Nobody imposed it on you. You are 100% to blame
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did you live in mainland Argentina during those years? obviously not.
Our drunk dictator was just about to get his rear end kick when he used an unsolved territorial dispute with UK to save himself and his friends.
And remember no islanders died because of Argentine fire, about 30000 died in the mainland.
What people in Argentina have to keep in mind is that as long Argentina keep protecting, buying and trading with UK and UK allys they will be perpetuating the problem, what has to be done is fine UK entities penalize them at a beurocratic level using taxes, licences, regulations, or even rights with limitations, and no natural resource from Argentina should be sold to UK or their allys.
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the colonist want to go back to the motherland let them all go, if they want to get Argentine citizenship they can stay in Malvinas, how complicated is that
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0avargas2001 (I assume that's the year of your birth?) - the islanders are already in their 'motherland'.
However I agree with your second post, if Argentina really believes its spurious claim then it should put its money where its mouth is and cease ALL trade with the UK ..... Now I wonder who'll that affect the most?
Think - farewell , off to the C24 again is it?Rumour control has it there will be about 50 or so from your side there to counter the straight honest talking of our two. Enjoyed the debates though.
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0OIl Companies - no major players yet? Well BHP Billington are not exactly tiddlers you know. Also apart from them joining local FOGL there has as yet been no other call for a major to join in with their level of funds and expertise. This of course may well change in future if any results come up as commercially viable.
Dont overplay Argentina,s power in the world - many of the world,s oil majors could eat Arg for breakfast and spit out the bad bits by siesta time.
Big business will decide what happens there - not me and not you- all you and I can do is control it for safety and economic benefit, if you want to be in on the party that is.
Think has sussed out my ID, although that's not hard as I write under my own name when commenting on British newspaper articles. Not a hard connection to make. Sounds as though islander1 has a good idea who Think is ...?
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not that it matters very much ... I feel that he hasn't really gone very far. Have you Think? :-)
50 in the Argentine delegation? Still haven't worked out that superior numbers may not carry the day!
@Marco, actually I did live in Argentina during one of your many dictatorships: 1976 to 1982.
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0I remember very well people going wild about the Falklands invasion. Funny that! This question has been asked before, not just by me: If the military invasion was wrong, then why have subsequent, democratic Argentine governments not made a public apology?
I've also said this before: You as a nation allowed the dictatorships to occur, not just Videla/Viola/Galtieri but many times before, stretching back in your history... Ongania, Levingston, Lanusse, Aramburu, Lonardi, Rawson, Ramirez, Farrell, Uriburi, Justo, Ortiz, Castillo. Were these people elected openly and fairly? I think not... but where were all the mass uprisings against these dictators? The fact is, most of you were quite happy to let this happen, or didn't have the cojones to do something about it. Nobody imposed these dictators on you, you allowed dictatorship to happen, you have nobody to blame but yourselves!
It's funny how they can claim that it's not their fault because they had a dictatorship imposed upon them when they TO THIS DAY wish to dictate how the Falklands Islanders live.
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact still is that Faklanders live in Malvinas and they do not have legal Argentine status on the occupied land claimed by both Argentina and britain, there is no recognized government in the island besides the unilateral british colonist scheme now in place do to the prolonged dispute by mainly britain refusal to deal with a lasting solution, who's stand is that the colonist who weren't there when the land dispute started are the sole reason for the creation of a fakland country in Islas Malvinas, in any case I feel as thought we are all being robed of our natural resources and our children will live in the left over pollutants left over in the ocean waters for eternity. Some people here belive that Argentina will lose out on a trade embargo but I think Argentia doesn't need any other country since we have enought resources to keep the 37.000.000 well fed and happy for decades to come, britain on the other hand is just a rock drifting in the the ocean with a bunch of blood suckers and pyrats willing to go anywhere and mingle with anything, just to get their next fix, in this case oil, not too different from the hey days of the East India Company http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/om/om15.htm and the occupation of Hongkong in the past, or Afghanistan in moderndays, a pirat in a suit is still a pirat, some argue that we lost fakland war but I tell them that all of Argentines know where Islas malvinas is there is no chance people will forget, and as long as Argentines don't foget life in fakland will be a cold lonely existence in the shadows of an empire that will do with your land and ocean as they wish and since the gulf of Mexico is now of limits to their delinquent countrymen, fakland will be the place for BP to roost, untill next major event when I will come and tell everyone I told you so.
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/om/om15.htm
The islands were called the Falklands long before the word Malvinas even came into existence. They have never been Argentine territory, so get over yourself Mr Vargas. The Islanders don't want to be Argentine.
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good Roberts I agree with you the colonists don't have to be Argentine, there is no land claim if they are british citizens I think they should go home since Vernet's deal with the brits was there will be no problems with the colonys, oviously this agreement was broken when the colonist allowed for british bases to be build there, as far as I knew Vernet went to britain to make a deal that there will be no problem arising from the colony, and he was allowed to govern by both Argentina and britain as long as there was no problems, but british occupation of Malvinas in 1833 became a problem wich was estipulated on the agreement wich was for problems not to arise from the colony opening the dispute for the land grab once again, but since british occupation was a withdrawal from an agreement with the Argentine Vernet government of 1829 the legitimacy of this ilegal alien occupation comes to light almost 200 years later, wich brings us back to documentation issues at the moment of solutions, it's now clear that most faklander are not even Argentines on their own merits, and yet have no legal status in the land they live since the land dispute issue makes them almost irrelevant, this means that since there is no status there is no legal base for a legitimate government to be formed besides the unilateral colonist scheme set forth by britain, recognized only by britain and themslves less then 3000 illegal aliens and a few millions penguins decreasing steadely, I always knewn Malvinas is Argentine national territoty like tierra del fuego, entre rios and many other places used by british who might soon see their land taken from under them, I feel glad that british is pushing Argentina to open their eyes and see who their enemys are, they were so stupid to think that british people mean good.
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact still is that Faklanders live in Malvinas and they do not have legal Argentine status.
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They've never needed Argentine legal status, and they never will. They've been living there peacfully for almost as long as argentina started to call herself argentina.
claimed by both Argentina and britain
We don't claim to have the islands. We HAVE the islands. The Union Jack flys over the Falklands Islands.
We did not rob you for your resources. They are the property of the people living on the islands. You was offered a join oil deal but your diplomat stormed out of the meeting, acting like a child stomping his feet.
Your nation doesn't have to forget, we don't care. You can keep moaning on about it as much as you like. We will just ignore you like the children you are. And if you pick up the courage to try a second war we will send you packing again.
What a very confused understanding of history you have avargas. Vernett was on the islands with British permission, which should indicate that the islands were British at that time. Argentina could not give him permission and the temerity that the Argentine Government showed at that time was correctly objected to by the British Ambassador.
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British did not 'occupy' the islands in the sense you mean, they merely returned to what was theirs and found it necessary to eject the trespassing Aregntine garrison who had no right to be there at all!
Apparently you 'always knew' wrongly ... the islands are British territory. The British were prepared to go to war over them in 1770/71, were prepared to enforce their sovereignty in 1833 and, albeit not declared, went to war over the islands in 1982. we'll do it again if necessary.
The islands are indisputedly British ... now get used to it!
Sr Timerman has started off in the best traditions of Argentina. In other words, he has attempted to milead as well as telling outright LIES!!
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone on here with, say, email contact with the Falkland Islands representative at the UN should consider forwarding appropriate material from this site with a view to proving the mendaciousness of Argentina for presentation to C24.
My opinion still stands we would not be here if fakland was a real country or if those colonist had any legitimacy, chances are that they will be in a green zone compared to the ones in Iraq and that only britain will recognize them as anything, I call this the bricks of the wall in a dictatorship dresses as a democracy, I hope they all have their british passport in order so next time there is a overnight take over they can all be shiped at the same time on the same boat we all know how that has to be done the way britain did it in 1833.
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As usual, the brainwashed avargas2001 doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. Typical Argentine.
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way, at 67, the words In other words, he has attempted to milead as well as telling outright LIES!! should have read In other words, he has attempted to mislead as well as telling outright LIES!!
Obviously practising doing it with a straight face. I wonder if Sr Timerman believes in Yahweh/Jehovah/God. Who will remind him that it is against God's law to bear false witness.
I am not making this up, the faklanders admit not to be Argentine not me, they admit to be british not faklander, they admit not to like to be in Argentina, the history states vernet went to britain to make sure there will be no problems arising from the colony and there was no problems untill britain backed out of their own agreement, leaving the colonists legal status in a limbo for 200 years, now nobody recognizes them but britain, am I making any of this up ?? NO they are the facts we deal with today, you british people wouldn't see a bull even if it's horns stabbed you in the chest.
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite right Avargas, the Falkland Islanders are not Argentine. They should admit to being British because they are. No, they do not want to be in Argentina and indeed they are not - they're on British soil.
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vernett obtained permission from the British via the ambassador to Buenos Aires. He did not go to Britain before 1834 and only went then to seek compensation for his failed enterprise. Britain originally gave Vernett permission to go to the islands as a business venture ... the British didn't 'give' Vernett the islands, an why on earth would they agree not to go themselves ... ?? Sounds like you're making it up.
The islander's status most certainly has not been in limbo for 200 years ... their status was and is 'British'.
And yes, you are making it up.
They are the facts we deal with today, you Argentine people wouldn't see a bull even if it stared you in the face.
What a distorted load of tosh.
avargas2001:
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your entire nation needs a good kick up the bottom. You need to grow the hell up.
These people are living there in peace not harming anyone. They have been living there for about 7-8 generations, longer than most people living in argentina. You don't, nor does ANYONE have a right to tell them where and how they can live.
Your nation will have to deal with this, because there is no way on hell or high water that the UK would allow Argentina to have ANYTHING to do with the islands for as long as the islanders wish it.
You don't have to like it, you don't have to agree with it. But you sure do have to put up with it. It's not going to change, nomatter the situation.
We are fully prepaired to back the islands in whatever form, be it ignoring your childish rants from your diplomats to all out war.
In this day and age Self determination is a basic human right, these people have inhabbited those islands for almost as long as Argentina has been a nation. You have no rights over the people living there and therefore have no rights over the islands they own.
Well said Zethe!Avargas2001 is talking pure garbage. Argentines do not respect international law, even when they vote for it. I find Argentina's policy highly offensive, reckless & criminal when they voted that resolution 1514(XV) should apply to the case of the Islanders.
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also the Islanders have clearly stated their democratic wish under resolution 1514(XV) that they wish to remain British
Realpolitik is simple. Argentina claimed effective controlled the Malvinas for a mere 4 days between October 6th-10th 1832, after their illegal garrison was planted but then revolted & killed the commandant Mestivier. Whilst the UK legally protested this illegal garrison through conventional diplomatic channels & exercises effective sovereignty for 177 years, except when Argentina made a surprise attack against its UK al Islanders in 1982 & put guns to the heads of the Islanders to force them to obey their evil plans
The British quickly & comprehensively defeated the Argentine forces without attacking the Argentine mainland & military/political centre of gravity with their full military might, due to geo-political constraints of the Cold War to maintain Argentina within the USA's sphere of influence and maintain the balance of power in the USA's favour in South America against the USSR
Now the rampant Argentine nationalism risks stupid escalation against UN will that Argentina comply with resolution 1514(XV) & support its implementation for the Islanders. Incredible!
When any person reviews the information, all sane rationale reasonable people conclude that the UK sovereignty was firmly established as de jure & de facto for longer than the Argentine Republic has existed and since the criminal murdering of the Argentine war of aggression in 1982, has forever removed the spurious Argentine claim
Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon rejects AR policy: the 16 remaining territories that still do not govern themselves must have complete freedom in deciding their future status
Roberts, did you do anything to stop UK atrocities in the past, let me mentioned to you recent one Chagos Islands, and not to forget Irak, tens of thousand of innocents civilians died due to a big British lie. No WMD found however British Petroleum got amazing deals, Great job!
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Marco: Did it escape your attention that British policy on the Chagos Islands & their people was terribly wrong, in the same way that Argentine policy on the Malvinas & their people is terrible wrong?
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is why when Argentina sent its military to the Islands in 1982 & put guns to the heads of the Islanders & their children to make them submit to Argentine oppression against the UN Charter attacking a fellow member of the UN, directly in contravention to the solemn UN resolution 1514(XV) & Argentine solemn undertakings of resolution 2065(XX) to act peacefully, the decent people of the world said no and demanded Argentina be removed according to Article 51 which provides the right of self-defence against military aggression to the Islanders & UN Security Council Resolution 502 which requires the removal of all Argentine presence on the Falklands Islands.
Has it not occurred to you the British were in Iraq ENFORCING UN resolutions passed by the General Assembly as a responsible member of the UN Security Council, for no benefit to itself? The cost of the UK's enforcement of UN resolutions, has been far greater in life, limb & economic cost.
Now Iraq enjoys peace & democracy rather than an evil tyrannical dictatorship, but I can see why an Argentine might prefer the latter to the former, given their long history of fascist juntas.
So yes, great job. Even Argentina support the Gulf War.
big British lie. No WMD
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think if you actually took the time to read anything rather than point fingers you would realise it was a big American lie
Has it not occurred to you the British were in Iraq ENFORCING UN resolutions passed by the General Assembly as a responsible member of the UN Security Council, for no benefit to itself? The cost of the UK's enforcement of UN resolutions, has been far greater in life, limb & economic cost.
Domingo has a perfect point here, As a member of the UN Security council we have an obligation to help out in times of crysis. A job that it seems only the UK and US pull their weight in doing so.
And in doing so, we get our lovely veto ^_^
A few passing thoughts:
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment 70. avargas2001 is incorrect. The Falkland Islanders do not admit that they are not Argentine. They are glad they aren't. They don't admit to being British, they are proud of it. And Argentine people are so stupid, they can't even admit they are wrong after losing a war. do they have to get a couple of horns in the butt?
Comment 72.
Care needs to be taken over assertions about occupancy and national existence. Careful examination strongly suggests that the Falkland Islanders were there BEFORE Argentina became a nation (technically). It can be disputed whether Argentina is actually a nation rather than the descendants of rebels. Even given nationhood, it is certainly not mature.
Comment 73.
avargas ALWAYS talks garbage. Regrettably, rationale and rational are not the same thing.
Comment 74.
Marco is attempting to emulate avargas in exuding garbage. Describe how the removal of the inhabitants of the Chagos Archipelago was an atrocity. And Marco conveniently forgets to mention that they were removed so that the USA could build a military base. (But he wouldn't want to upset the USA that he no doubt thinks is supporting Argentina). And then the dumb-dumb goes on to quote tens of thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths. The Multinational Force Iraq composed troops of 40 nations. Four of them were South American. Can he quote the sources for attributing particular numbers of deaths to British Armed Forces? Of course not. But there was little sign of Argentina taking part. Argentines were probably keeping their fingers crossed for Saddam. Similarities? Saddam massacred people in his own country. So has Argentina. Saddam invaded an adjacent peaceful country (Kuwait). So has Argentina. Looks like Argentina is a cross between Nazi Germany (remember it was a refuge for war criminals) and Saddam's Iraq. And then there's South America's Adolf/Saddam clone, Hugo Chavez.
1771 = Britain 1 Spain 0
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 01833 = Britain 1 Argentina 0
1982 = Britain 1 Argentina 0
We may be crap at football, but were good at some things :-)
@Vargas
Jun 24th, 2010 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0leaving the colonists legal status in a limbo for 200 years, now nobody recognizes them but britain
Erm, 27 member states of the European Union recognise the Falklands as British Territory. I refer you to the Treaty of Lisbon.
Marco- you earlier claimed that Arg killed nobody here in 1982? Sorry but YES THEY DID - 3 Islanders were killed as a direct result of the Argentine invasion and flat refusal of disobeying the manadatory UN Security Council Resolution 502 which demanded their withdrawl. As a result Britain was entitled to - and had to use military force to expel Argentina - so Argentina was directly and fully responsible for those 3 civilian deaths - and all the property damage and mental damage sufferred by Islanders then and since.
Jun 24th, 2010 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0We hated you then for that - and today 2010, whilst we do not hate the Argentine people - we do indeed hate the Argentine Government for its two faced hypocrisy of Colonial ambitions and agressive bullyboy actions.
Arvgas - you would be surprised just how many S. American countries whilst playing lipservice to Arg tantrums and offering paper support to their fantasy claims in public - actually quietly recognise the Falkland Islands.
By the end of this week the annual splutters of the Committee of 24 will be all over yet again. Funny that in 2005 our Govt invited the UN 24 Committee to send a team here on an impartial fact-finding visit - so they could see for themselves and not rely on just what the delegations say. Result - a deafening silence - they were to scared and embarrassed to even reply!
Hoyt did you forget about 1806/1807/1845 an april 2 1982?
Jun 24th, 2010 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Islander the 3 ladies were killed by British naval bombing, you know that.
And Irak atrocities and lies was part of Blair and Bush(DUMB AND DUMBER) ideas not the UN.
You've lost me Marco, did something important happen in 1806? or 1807? or 1845? that's in any way relevant to the issue under discussion?
Jun 24th, 2010 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0April 1982 ...?? Something happen that didn't get sorted?
And what's Iraq got to do with anything .... tendency to ramble you lot!
I love it when Argies bring up the example of the Chagossians and yet that's exactly what they intend to do to the Falkland Islanders. Trample all over the islanders' rights, especially self determination. You can't be the sharpest knife in the drawer Marcos...
Jun 24th, 2010 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marco, you failed to read what I said - who fired the shell is immaterial - who CAUSED the war was the country who directly caused the death of civilians. There has never been a war fought without civilian deaths - due to the skill and professionalism of the british forces in 1982 there were very few - but Argentina was the cause. You side nearly killedd some in the original invasion on 2 April! And that shell would not have been fired anyway if Arg had not deliberatley broken basic Geneva Convcention Codes that you should not put heavy artillery weapons and missile launchers close to and in civilian areas.
Jun 24th, 2010 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Iraq? as Hoytred says what has that to do with the Falklands? Britain has been out of Iraq for some time - as was there as part of a multination coalition whatever peoples personal views.Actually mine are that it was all wrong, but its all history now anyway.
As I have pointed out before, although Marcos obviously can't read anything because he's desperately trying to remember what someone told him to say:
Jun 24th, 2010 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 01806 and 1807 were attacks by British expeditionary forces on outposts of the Spanish Empire, at the time a puppet-state of the Napoleonic French Empire with which Britain was at war. Argentina didn't exist.
1845. An Anglo-French naval squadron defeated and passed an embargo put in place by Juan Manuel de Rosas, dictator of the so-called Argentine Confederation, in an attempt to stop or profit from Anglo-French trade with Argentine inland cities that de Rosas did not control.
Describe how the removal of the inhabitants of the Chagos Archipelago was an “atrocity”. And Marco conveniently forgets to mention that they were removed so that the USA could build a military base. (But he wouldn't want to upset the USA that he no doubt thinks is supporting Argentina). And then the dumb-dumb goes on to quote tens of thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths. The Multinational Force Iraq composed troops of 40 nations. Four of them were South American. Can he quote the sources for attributing particular numbers of deaths to British Armed Forces?
C'mon Marco, ante up. Quote your referenced sources for your comments. Or admit that you are just spouting government-inspired crap.
they say that desperate people say anything to claim what they do or say is correct, but time and time again they are proved as lies , and rubbish talk from ill educated people that refuse to accept the truth. some times it is a waste trying to help them, sadly if you are brain dead , then brain dead you are.
Jun 24th, 2010 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so once again the truth tries to help these poor people to see the light, the Malvinas do not exist [ony in your head] the Falkland people will remain British, and the argentine people can do nothing, you all live in your own little world, they all work from their little book called, [the world according to Argentina] , the future is simple, grow up, stop acting like children, and look at the rest of the world laughing at you,, the big tough guy on the block picking on little kiddies, but when real men arrive, the argentines go running for their mummies and booklets,
please Argentina, grow up stop acting like children , and rejoin the human race as decent people, nut stupid kids. .[replies please by the unbelievers] long live great Britain and St George the protector of the little peoples,,,,,,
@Briton
Jun 25th, 2010 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ha ha ha you just make me laugh.
Do you have another joke, please?
thanks
The Multinational Force Iraq composed troops of 40 nations. Four of them were South American. Can he quote the sources for attributing particular numbers of deaths to British Armed Forces?
Jun 25th, 2010 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I believe that British military doctrine would give us the lowest civilian casualty rate, the troops are actually complaing about it due to our own deaths.
Look at other countrys, turky set up a black market, Germany bombed civilians then tried to cover it up and america is notorious to shoot first then ask questions.
87 NicoDin
Jun 25th, 2010 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0the world is a funny place to live isn’t it, in 1914-18 we were best friends with the japs, 1941-46, Enemies , USA..1776-and 1801 enemies with the British, 1940s-to present we are friends, what a funny old world,
perhaps Argentina would like to become a county of the UK .What wonders would you receive, [cant tell you, as you would all be over here]
but the future will tell, but we will meet again perhaps ? if we beet Germany lololol
COLONISE ARGENTINA
Jun 25th, 2010 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No.87 NicoDin
Jun 25th, 2010 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha ha ha you are a laugh.
Do you have another joke, please?
thanks
Obama looking for “whose ass to kick” in ARGENTINES
Jun 25th, 2010 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In his angriest words yet after being widely criticized for his response to the Argentinean problem with Great Britain says, President Barrack Obama said he was talking to experts because he wants to know “whose ass to kick.” Down their.
lololol
@briton
Jun 25th, 2010 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haha Do you mean if you beat Germany in the world cup? Haha a very tough task mate but possible so we can face you again. Haha this will be great!
“perhaps Argentina would like to become a county of the UK”
May be we will conquer you first and turn you a northern province of Argentina. Umm. Is not a bad Idea after all. Don’t you think so?
Think how much of these problems we can solve.
1- The Islanders wannabe British will not complain to become part of Argentina all of them will be happy.
2- You will not have more frictions with the Germans as we are a very good friends.
3- You will eat better and get rid of the boring fish & chips stuff.
4- You would not have to hear Elton John in any celebration of the Queen.
5- You will have more football world cups as you ever dreamed instead o the tinny record of 1.
6- You would learn a new wonderful language instead of the boring English only useful to say the weather report.
7- You will not have to invade other countries for oil.
8- And best at all you will integrate the selective club of nations that growth instead of to become the new PIG in the block and end like Greece.
After all between us how many times have you felt proud of being British in the last years?
There is nothing to be proud off mate the good days have gone in the old empire.
Think about it, membership is free by now
.. After all between us how many times have you felt proud of being British in the last years? ....
Jun 26th, 2010 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still a BIG country albeit on a number of small islands. Still the 6th biggest GDP in the world which makes us bigger than Russia, still a main player at the UN which allows us to ignore you ...... me, I'm right proud :-)
May be we will conquer you first and turn you a northern province of Argentina. Umm. Is not a bad Idea after all. Don’t you think so?
Jun 26th, 2010 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0You would first have to create a navy capable of carrying your troops across the ocean, beating the RN, then our army. Not even remotely likely. Quite amusing, Actually.
Oh you'd also have to invent, build and staff some new aircraft to go along with that.
In short, You have more chance of colonising mars within the next two years.
I don't see why you rate your military so high, It's quite frankly awfull.
The Islanders wannabe British will not complain to become part of Argentina all of them will be happy.
No. Not ever..
You would learn a new wonderful language instead of the boring English only useful to say the weather report.
English is the worlds international language for science, media, diplomacy, military and air controll. It is the worlds first global language. It's quite usefull :)
You will not have to invade other countries for oil.
Why when we can buy all that lovely oil from our friends in the falklands? :)
As a US citizen uruguayan born, now living in Uruguay since 2004, I feel very upset over our neighbor Argentina. In 1982 I was living in Miami and I offered my service to go to war for Argentina. If I was wrong !!...I didn't realize then, the similarities with Nazi Germany or the former USSR. South America is in great danger under the leftish-socialist-communist governments. They’re united against freedom. Argentina will never stop their insane claims over the Falkland Islands. Uruguayan people are weak and being led by the Frente Amplio, a hard left government, puppets of the argentinian government run by the Kirchners. My heart is with you, kelpers. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. Sir Winston Churchill.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(96) Liberty
Jun 26th, 2010 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wooow.... another Born Again South American.
You are the third this week!
I will ask from you the same I asked the others.
Liberty.... Just to make sure we are dialoguing to the right person;
Would you mind translating your own concepts below to Spanish?
It shouldn’t take more than 3 minutes, as they are, after all, your own words and you are Uruguayan!
”South America is in great danger under the leftish-socialist-communist governments. They’re united against freedom. Argentina will never stop their insane claims over the Falkland Islands. Uruguayan people are weak and being led by the Frente Amplio, a hard left government, puppets of the argentinian government run by the Kirchners.”
Of course you are free to ignore my request.
The others did so!
And they went!
Wow!
Jun 26th, 2010 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well Islanders you’ve got at least one supporter of your fight against Argentina oppression here “Liberty” the Uruguayan Yank super hero ready to joint your army to take over Argentina. Haha
You cannot fail with this kind of support mates I start to fear now really.
Erm, NicoDim, nobody ever said the Falklanders wanted to take over Argentina. They just want to be left in peace to get on with their lives.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We cannot fail? With enemies like you, you can say that again!
army to take over Argentina
Jun 26th, 2010 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, just nuke Buenos Aires and do 30 quids worth of damage
You cannot fail with this kind of support mates I start to fear now really.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We've never needed support. Thats what you guys need, not us.
93 NicoDin
Jun 26th, 2010 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well my friens, the supporters of the british have shown you who they support ? britain forever.
but we will see you soon as soon as we have desposed of germany..
we will do the same to you..Unless we are feeling very charitable and let you win for once lolol
Think , NicoDin and other supporters of Argentina and its government. The spanish History Channel is playing a documentary on Peron's pro Nazi era. Nothing has change; you still believe that your country has the right to bully small nations like Uruguay and the Falklands. You'll never change; it's in your genes, your arrogance in overlooking the rights of your neighbors. Uruguay is under the influence of a leftish hard core government and the opposition parties are lackeys. For decades surrendered Uruguay's sovereignty to Argentina and Brazil. The Falklands belong to the kelpers for almost 2 centuries. Learn how to mind your own land and leave your neighbors in peace.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohh the false Uruguayan returned....
Jun 26th, 2010 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think, why do you accuse me of making false statements ?...It doesn't make sense. In today's world most humans have access to free information. Only fanatics refuse to study and learn it. Uruguay lost part of his northern territory around the same time England found the Falkland’s islands desolated. Eventually people moved in and dedicated to farm sheep, fishing, etc. The Argentinean claims to the islands are no different than Uruguayans claiming our lost territories to Brazil. Let the kelpers live in their home. They love their heritage and for sure don't want to be Argentinean citizens.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(106) Liberty
Jun 27th, 2010 - 04:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0I repeat my post from yesterday.....
Ohhh.... another Born Again South American.
You are the third this week!
I will ask from you the same I asked the others.
Liberty.... Just to make sure I’m dialoguing to the right person;
Would you mind translating your own concepts below to Spanish?
It shouldn’t take more than 3 minutes, as they are, after all, your own words nd you are Uruguayan!.
”South America is in great danger under the leftish-socialist-communist governments. They’re united against freedom. Argentina will never stop their insane claims over the Falkland Islands. Uruguayan people are weak and being led by the Frente Amplio, a hard left government, puppets of the argentinian government run by the Kirchners.”
Of course you are free to ignore my request.
The others did so!
And they went!
Of course you are free to ignore my request.
Jun 27th, 2010 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0The others did so!
And they went!
Domingo is still here ;-)
Yes, Domingo is still here.... God bless him ☺
Jun 27th, 2010 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0But..... He never claimed to be South American to “validate” his opinions.
When you start your posts declaring:
I am an Argentinean historian.......Or.......I am an Uruguayan citizen.
And then they cannot even write some words in Spanish......
Well, what credibility have they left?
Hey, I come from Birmingham and some would say that I don't speak a word of english :-)
Jun 27th, 2010 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0....& I have never claimed to be South America, because, quite evidently with my English usage & syntax, I am clearly not. Although my name is Domingo!
Jun 27th, 2010 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am glad my credibility is intact in Think's eyes - whew!
I also speak more than one language fluently, does this increase my credibility in your scoring system Think? If linguistic ability counts, I think I can claim an increase of a 2.3 credibility factor at least!
106 Think: It doesn't matter if you believe my background or not. As I grew up I heard the name Malvinas and never paid attention to it. All started in 1982 (already apologized for my mistake, offering my military services to Argentina during that time). In 1997 I bought my 1st computer. Then I dedicated time to do research, later in 2004 I moved back to Uruguay and then I really found out the kind of neighbors Uruguay has. Your country is a dangerous place, your nuclear obsolete plants among other things. The real danger lies in the minds of millions of argentineans and their governments. Claiming the Falklands over and over again it's not going to get you anywhere. Galtieri, his military junta and the argentinean people paid a high price, also the natives and England. 28 years later, after your country lost the war, nothing has changed. Argentina will be whining to the end of time, just for national pride and arrogance.
Jun 27th, 2010 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(111)
Jun 27th, 2010 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
It doesn't matter if you believe my background or not.
I say:
Yes it does.
You fake a South American so other people listen to what you want to say.
Hey, Think. Play fair.
Jun 27th, 2010 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Liberty introduced his first comment: As a US citizen uruguayan born, now living in Uruguay since 2004...
seems perfectly open & honest to me. I read nothing here which undermines Liberties credentials... besides, who made you judge & jury? Your ego?
Watch your blood pressure!
112 Think: I tell you more, I have an argentinean legal residence done in 1992 ( now past due) . I lived almost 2 years in Buenos Aires. Stick to the bloody subject as the English might say. First Argentine Jewish Foreign Affairs, Timerman. He really has a conflict of interest. He attacks England reclaiming the Falklands for Argentina. His jewish home land was handed by England in cooperation with the League of Nations, later the UN to the Jews. Isn’t he a kind of “Judas” ...what do you think of him and your government ?
Jun 27th, 2010 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not really think, I think it's only you who really cares where people are from.
Jun 27th, 2010 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(111) Liberty
Jun 27th, 2010 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are as pitiful as those people using false pictures on their Facebook profile.
@Think (#116):
Jun 27th, 2010 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Watch yer blood pressure! Blimey, be careful or you'll do yerself in !
Breaking News !!!
Jun 27th, 2010 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina’s Foreign Minister Timerman most popular person according to Independent British news Agency!
Minister Timerman occupies all top five “most commented” places in the MercoPress list.
Twinky.
Jun 27th, 2010 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're repeating yourself again!
So, Prime Minister Cameron tells Botox Queen, “Keep your hands off the Falkland Islands or we'll cut them off.”
I am a Brutish citizen, born and raised in Brutain and I vehemently demand an immediate retaliatory nuclear bombardment of Montevideo by the Brutish Royal Navy.
Jun 27th, 2010 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Larrionda
That’s why!
God Save the King
today my friends we were beaten by a better,greater team
Jun 27th, 2010 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jun 27th, 2010 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was a South American jewish no-nazi colonialist Chavez inspired conspiration in form of a corrupt little brownish man from Uruguay!!!!!!!!!!
we wuz robbed
Jun 27th, 2010 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For us, old enough to remember the good old times!
Jun 27th, 2010 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__MJV11nRqU
Think, every time you post the same thing on every post you remind us more and more of jorge. It's quite embarrasing, really.
Jun 27th, 2010 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This should get twink back on track
Jun 27th, 2010 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/cameron-digs-in-over-falklands-as-oil-revives-former-tension-2011727.html
@Hoytred
Jun 28th, 2010 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0That much is true and even worse in London mate.
@stick up your junta
That would be a bad investment mate.
After all you should have to use at least 1 missile what would cost 17m quids to do 30 quids worth of damage. Uncle Sam and Lockheed happy haha
What about if I give you 50 quids to buy some fish & chips or Kebabs from your favorite Turkish corner shop? So you can eat a week more after the Cameron cutting stuff.
It’s a good offer. Doesn’t it?
Think about it...
@Liberty
“He really has a conflict of interest. He attacks England reclaiming the Falklands for Argentina. His jewish home land was handed by England in cooperation with the League of Nations, later the UN to the Jews. Isn’t he a kind of “Judas” ...what do you think of him and your government ?”
I think you are a poor person full of prejudices. What have to do his religion with a conflict of interest?
He is Argentinean professing the Jewish religion as many Argies professing catholic Roman religion or protestant or nothing. Why did you spot or judge him or performance based on his religion.
I didn’t hear you say that Cristina would have a conflict of interest because she is from Catholic background with the Vatican interest.
Don’t you see a little bit of anti-Judaism and Anti-Semitism in your words?
Your little Nazi has appeared after all very strange from someone who is calling Argentineans Nazis.
If you are so stupid to come back to a country like Uruguay that is little and not take it into account in the world is not our fault go back to Miami and play the Yank wannabe there mate.
I think that your ego is bigger than Uruguay and Brazil together.
Mercopress please write something about Uruguay like the new superpower in South America Liberty needs some attention ASAP.
@Stick
Cameron is afraid that's all none cares about what he says just words.
Argentina will continue doing what her please as always does.
You should know very well that.
NicoDin; Tommahawks cost just over 500,000. Not 17 million lol.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cameron is afraid that's all none cares about what he says just words.
Argentina will continue doing what her please as always does.
You should know very well that.
I believe you've got that the wrong way around?
It's your nation that no-one is listening too, and Britian who is just doing as she pleases(oil, ect).
I can't tell british citizens how to live when they are in britain, but when they are in Argentina they must have their citizenship, if they don't want to have the citizenship they can go back to their motherland britain. they are not natives, soo they have no right to self determination as real natives do, I never heard the Argentine government deal with UK or the colonist over Malvinas, accoring to UN there can be no unilateral changes in the island status, and there is no government still, unless UK and the pirats desided to change the status quo unilaterally, if UN doesn't care about the unilateral changes, I doubt the UN can legitimize anything in the island, rendering UN meaningless for everyone working with them, british people have being a pest to all of humanity.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok, lets take what you said seriously(lol). You think that anyone who is not a native is not entitled to Self Determination?
Jun 28th, 2010 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As an argentinian you are not a native to the country you live in. Therefore you are not entitled to Self determination and your government is invalid. You should therefore cede your soveriginity to spain or all move back to spain.
Also, as you are not entitled to self determination(your words). You can no longer claim territory such as the falklandas, let alone the territory you currently live in.
Or is this another case of do as i say and not as i do?
@zethe
Jun 29th, 2010 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say NUKE and the only available weapon you can use for that propose is Trident and the cost is close to 17m each call Lockheed Martin for and accurate quotation.
The same as the 2 lost by you during the conflict of 1982 in our waters I just wonder where the 2 toys are now. Have you got any idea? haha
The American “Tommahawks” that by the way is “BGM 109 Tomahawk” it is banned to be used for carry nuclear warhead by the Americans in fact it is inactivated to be used by any W80 nuclear warhead or device.
So you have to stick with conventional 450kg conventional explosives.
And of course you should have to think about the consequences to a direct attack over Argie soil we will take revenge by any possible mean. So be sure to kill all of us in one shot what will require a lot of your Tridents else you will end like a Bugger king burned.
Oh, i assumed you reffered to Tommahawks. We would not nuke your country, lol.
Jun 29th, 2010 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0By the way, 17 million is not a lot when you have a budget of 40-60 billion. Infact it would be cheaper to nuke argentina than to keep the base in the falklands running! But like i said, we aren't in the business of using nukes.
As far as nukes being banned from tommahawks, the americans have:
BGM-109A Tomahawk Land Attack Missile - Nuclear (TLAM-N) with a W80 nuclear warhead.
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