Argentina protests visit of Chilean students to Falklands
The recent Chilean students’ visit to the Falkland Islands for three weeks to improve their English and become acquainted with the Islands’ culture was questioned by Argentine diplomatic officials who contacted Punta Arenas mayor Vladimiro Mimica, reports the Sunday edition of La Prensa Austral.
Apparently Celeste Koch from the Argentine embassy in Santiago held an “informal” exchange with Mimica in which she explained that the Argentine government does not approve that Chile, and more precisely a Chilean city, establishes some kind of “written understanding” with the “British administration” of the Falklands, simply because by doing so “it was recognizing the legality of a government in a disputed territory”.
“The mayor understood the situation and it was convened that things would be done adequately”, said the Argentine embassy Press attaché Natacha Martínez.
The report from La Prensa Austral adds that it was not possible to obtain a reply or statement from the Chilean Foreign Affairs ministry on the issue.
A few weeks ago (June 5) a group of Chilean students from Punta Arenas travelled to the Falklands sponsored by Punta Arenas city government, Lan Chile and the British consulate.
Apparently the event had a previous Argentine protest because on leaving the mayor wished the students a good trip and a pleasant stay in the “Falklands”.
The Chilean consul in Ushuaia Francisco Gormaz Lira somehow managed the situation saying that the mayor’s reference to Falklands instead of Malvinas was a “regretful error and a major carelessness”.
The consul also ratified that Chile “recognizes Argentina’s right to sovereignty claim over the Malvinas Islands” and does so in all international forums.
This latest incident comes on top of the recent Falklands’ decision to cancel a sea link with Punta Areas, supposedly because of the extremely high cots of the local port’s services and “restrictions imposed by Argentina on vessels crossing its waters” and heading for the Falklands/Malvinas, concludes the Sunday piece in La Prensa Austral. .
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nice to meet you
“ ... on leaving the mayor wished the students a good trip and a pleasant stay in the “Falklands”....” - well at least the Mayor can read a map.
“ ... on top of the recent Falklands’ decision to cancel a sea link with Punta Areas, supposedly because of the extremely high cots of the local port’s services and “restrictions imposed by Argentina on vessels crossing its waters” ....” - and there was me Think, assuming that it had been the Chilean authorities that had cancelled the ship!
Hope the student's enjoyed their trip ... and learnt something, if only about Argentine arrogance :-)
Argentina now wants to restrict the educational opportunites of school children from another country? It was a “School Trip”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Chilean Foriegn Ministry has not commented, why? Because it is an unimportant issue for any rational human being!
”how f***ing petty
a School Trip for God's sake.
It is a School Trip -
It was a “School Trip”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Argentina now wants to restrict the educational opportunites of school children!”
Ohhhh... your broken hearts for those South American children is so..... ....heartbreakening.
Policy worked pretty well against good old South Africa, lads.
Amandla
The cumulative effect of all these petty interferences will be to ensure that the people of the Falkland Islanders want nothing to do with Argentina.
South Africa? Interesting analogy, the thing is the boycott against South Africa was to stop racism and ethnic hatred, not re-inforce it. Your petty restrictions will not work.
Such pettiness cannot help the way the world looks at Argentina so I say bring it ... more complaining and whinging please so that the mature world can see you real face.
:-)
ps. have you had a go at God? I'm sure some of those clouds are moving across without a permit
*Orson Welles
orson cart
I have read some of your previous comments in here.
You seem to be, by you own descriptions and comments (please correct me if wrong) a pretty well off neo-liberal Northamerican living in the center of Argentina.
Once in a while you come with a kind of “Fox News” regurgitation like: “The junta lives on in a different frock”.
What is what you want?
The old Junta?
They'll be heckling migratory birds and fish next for having the temerity to visit the Falklands.
Argentina would do well to examine the success of economic blockades around the world over the years.........they simply do not work. Cuba, Gaza, Iran, Iraq, Burma.....etc, etc All it does is to make the victims more determined to resist the blockaders, whatever the merits or otherwise of the arguments, and to make poor people suffer. And as for attempts to restrict culture and education....wrong millenium chaps.
But thanks for making yourselves look rediculous to thinking people, and hope the visit of comrade Assad was successful, a real triumph for representative democracy !!
Will work again.
No military interruptions this time.
People will not suffer, they'll move voluntarily.
First to go? The Chilean, Argies and other coloured people.
Then the Rich; Jersey is much nicer.....
At last the hardliners will remain.
They will not suffer, some of them will even like it that way....
You make it sound so uncomplicated!
If I didn't knew better, I would feel very safe around you.
The fact that your Govt is so fanatical and petty that it has to LOWER and DEMEAN Argentina by being so pathetic really does show up what their basic levels are - way below the toilet floor.
We know of course that playing politics with children IS Argentine level - you tried it with students who went from here to Arg in the 1970s - you have tried it more recently with a “rugby tour” to here.
Lets dispute Sovereignty as adults OK - but grow up and leave children out of it!
as military is out of the table economic consequences are the music of the dispute.
tell me mate, just imagine if there were no dispute; how many southamerican students (argies, chil, braz, urug, parag) could go to Malvinas every year to study english and spend their precious little green papers in your economy?? 5.000, 10.000, 15.000??
It's a scandal.
P.S. Globetrotter is not an argentine, he's good at spanish, but not enough to fool me. I checked it some months ago.
That's comforting
My hearth is bleeding for those children...
Why did YOU use them in YOUR political game !!!
You invited them and paid more than 50%a of the trip.
It really does show just how backward, depraved and mentally sick you are.
They are young children !
Grow up and leave children out of it!
Ahhh, a great big turnip in the country to retire too, what more could a Baldrick ask for?!
But feel free to continue posting your inanities. I haven't noticed an ADULT comment from you for some time.
Jorge - you will find that neither Govt took any political action in breifing the children one way or the other over politics - nor would either have dreamed of it!
Malvinas have the potential to run a premium english university for regional students with several asociate busineses. Actual loss is at your cost.
In actual scenario politics, economy, dispute, children & students, communications, oil, fish, turism are in the same bag. Sorry mate, is the reality we have, the reality that neither argentines nor kelpers chose. Blame your colonial masters for this situation, they chose to came to south atlantic, we don´t invite them.
Plus, to place an economic blockade, you have to have some sort of impact within said economy. Argentina has to leverage because the islands dont rely on them, in any way.
To me both were acts of colonialism; I think it would be fair to say the British assertion of sovereignty over the Islands was peaceful, but did use coercion to force the remaining United Provinces garrison to leave; whilst the Conquest of the Dessert was often bloody and cruel and did constitute genocide in the opinion of the Mapuche and other indigenous peoples of Patagonia.
Britain sought territory in the South Atlantic, just as Argentina sought territory in Patagonia and eventually succeeded in its final annexation.
Argentina sought additional territory in the South Atlantic but was confronted by the British who had got there first. Stalemate ensued & a war of words began
Today's argument over the Islands seems to about whether or not Argentina should complete its 19th Century colonial ambition to expand its territory and Britain should accede to that desire
My understanding, and correct me if I'm wholly wrong, is that the Argentine claim for the Islands was really made a massive political issue from 1930s onwards
It seems to me, if this is all the dispute is about, i.e. a frustrated Argentine policy of territorial expansion from colonial times, then it is without merit in the modern world
Your argument that the Islanders economic and political repression by Argentina is the fault of the UK is perverse, because of course both Argentina & the UK are obliged to implement resolution 1514(XV) which covers the case of the Islanders as a dependent territory and 2065(XX) confirms covers their case
The rest is just political posturing & some propaganda to leverage the Argentine strategy. As is the strategy to try & position the British as the cause for the Argentine coercive repression; I can't see the Islanders falling for such simple propaganda, they firmly blame the AR govt.
You weren't there to invite them Billy boy because your ancestors were busy on the mainland. You really have a strange view of your roots. What's good for the goose is, according to your version, not good for the gander?
The Viceroyalty of the River Plata was Spanish and became Argentine. The Falkland islands are British and may yet become Falklands. Now tell me, how are the two different?
argentina is exersicing her sovereignty at her way...nice to meet you status quo.
hey domingo, why don´t you talk about independence?; my own view of future is argentina and bennies negotiating independence, trading britain leaving x recognoisance of kelper nation selfdeterminationj without any power over her.
It is you that are using those 8 Chilean teenagers for political reasons.
You politicized the situation even more when the British Consul “gave instructions” to them before their trip to Malvinas!
That was the first “Briefing”.
www.radiopolar.com/noticia_35736.html
This is not an “innocent” “generous” gesture from you
You are “luring” poor South American youngsters for your own benefit.
If they speak English it would be much easier for them to get a job waiting your tables or cleaning your school.
Self righteous calculating rich hypocrites playing the “victim card”; that is what you Islanders have become during the last 30 years......
So understand it:
We are not living Oil out of it
We are not living Fish out of it
We are not living Sport out of it
We are not living Culture out of it
We are not living Tourism out of it
The only thing we are “living out” is the military option.
Is it the Rich part of that statement that hurts the most twink?
as for hypocrites playing the victim card,it seems that the argies and islanders have more in common than i first thought
Do your own research...
www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/11841/
take note, I will be asking questions
Now it's a funny old thing there Billious Haze, but the issue of 'self determination' does not arise in the case of South Georgia or the South Sandwich Islands .... the reality is that we (the British) own them outright and you (Argentina) does not! You have no claim.... go on, try and find one that's backed up with ... well anything really.
So we can't be shifted from the south Atlantic, period ... hello neighbour :-)
Hello Neighbour.....
Cold far and lonely down there...
Here is a book from a modern “Jules Verne” for the looong antarctic nights.
Maybe you will find it interesting!
You love “hypothetical” fantasies....
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/esp_tierra_hueca_13.htm
cold and lonely sure ... but it'll be where the next world war kicks off !
Brutinator vs Argentinator?
Nooo.... Have seen that movie already
Baaaaad movie.
We tried (officially) to stay out of the last “imaginary big one”.. (Cold War, remember it?)
However, newly declassified “ CIA Contingency Plans” include Argentina (and Brazil, Chile etc..) as “Legitimate Geopolitical Atomic Targets”.
Their “logic”was that if the “Big Boys” of the Northern Hemisphere destroyed each other, they didn't want that “power vacuum” filled.
Trust your military.......
You said:
Whoops, I missed the little picture - apparently the student's 'thoroughly enjoyed their stay'.
I say:
Nice happy picture at the top of this article..... but......can you “find the five errors”?
Do you get out much twink,I thought that all Argentines are supposed to be slim,you must buck the trend twink glued to your pc 24/7
How can this be politically motivated when we have nothing to discuss or even care about your nations oppinion? These kids were just having a trip.
Argentina has been making political moves, because you want something to change. We have simply been telling you “no.” and thats all there really is to it.
43 Billy Hayes:
If it wasnt for argentina, the falklands islands WOULD be independant. They only need us for defence, from you guys.
What sovereignty is that, Billy boy? You don't have sovereignty over Chile. And you don't have sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.
So Argentina has nothing but a big mouth. Oh, and a presidential decree that is illegal under international law.
And a UN Committee of puppets to whom nobody pays any attention.
Grow up!!!
the reason the UK Goverment totaly ignores you , is the fact that you have [no claim][no power] [no argument] [no say]
and as we would say to you [end off]
Sorry I can only repeat- and its echoed by the words I have heard from many folk in Chile as well - your country has really sunk itself down into the mire in trying to insert politics into childrens education. As one person wrote earlier- what would the Arg Govt line be if a group of Arg school kids came over for a couple of weeks on an educational visit? I suspect they would ban it from the start - or isolate them on return incase we had tried to brainwash them!
I understand your frustration.....
Not nice when the Argies act instead of talk.
Much easier in the “old days” when they really shot themselves in the foot.
You should understand that Argentina cares a lot about the Islanders and the British public opinion.
More militant and rabid it becomes better for us....
I would hope some of the “Turnips” in here had some say in Britain politics.
They would make things so much easier for us.
As Mr. Galtieri did for you.
At the rate they are advancing, the British National Party would be our best hope.
BNP Performance
1987: 563 votes
1992: 7.631 votes
1997: 35.832 votes
2001: 47.129 votes
2005: 192.746 votes
2010: 563.743 votes
2015: ___________
2020: ___________
2025: ___________
We will keep the good work from our side and....wait and see.
au contraire
Much as the BNP are!
Much as the BNP are!”
They said pretty much the same in Austria, Italy, Belgium, Denmark, Holland.......
Now they are the deciding factors.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2010
But even if you're right then the further the country swings to the right, the less chance Argentina has of getting anywhere in its spurious claims. So your point is?
Look at the progression old chap.. the progression!
My point is:
We can´t negotiate with you anyhow... can we?
A hardline right wing Govt. in UK will enjoy much less sympathy with the rest of the world “Brownish Population” .
This kind of people tend to loose their international cool quite often in order to score some quick demagogic points at home.
Makes our international diplomatic strategy much easier.
The settlers in the South Atlantic of British descent have as much right to be in the South Atlantic as any Argentine of Spanish or Italian descent. I'd venture more right, because they were there first!
The South Atlantic does not belong to Argentina after all; even though Argentina covets strategic control of the South Atlantic to obtain exclusive access to all natural resources, that does not mean peoples of non-Spanish or Portuguese descent, may not live in the South Atlantic
If the people have been living there long enough, then they have a right to be there. Argentina can promote a foreign policy based on popular bigotry to dehumanise an ethnic minority in the region if it so wishes, but I find this policy repugnant, as it hypocritical when those peoples who are discriminated against, are there for the precise same reasons the as those who persecute them
Your opinion that “the British belong elsewhere” is unreasonable, because they have rightful title to the territories they own; & Argentina cannot show it to be otherwise, if it could, it should take its dispute to the ICJ like the Beagle Channel dispute for a fair hearing
Here I am talking about South Georgia, South Sandwich & British Antarctica. Although there is no reason for Argentina not to present its case to the ICJ; although they should expect a strong counter-claim from the Islanders citing the supremacy of their express right to self-determination under General Assembly resolution 1514(XV) & implicit rights under the UN Charter
Most people see the Argentine claim that the Brits don't belong in the South Atlantic as propaganda; the same argument applies to implanted Argentines
The UN has asked us to talk yes. that does not mean give argentina the islands.
The UK has never threatened you with nukes.
Not yet gasious, but they've a rather better chance of becoming one than Argentina ever has of gaining ownership :-)
A nation is a group of people who share common history, culture, ethnic origin and language, often possessing or seeking its own government.[1]
So, I'm sorry, Falklands fits that bracket pretty well!
BNP - they are pretty irrelevant now-also lost the few local govt seats they had in England as well. Every country has its % of extremists - yours does- and even ours as well!
Arvgas - we ceased being a Colony a decade or two ago - colony in the way you understand - and colony in the form Argentina wants us to revert to-with her as the colonial power 19th century style.
You say:
A nation is a group of people who share common history, culture, ethnic origin and language, often possessing or seeking its own government.
.....Falklands fits that bracket pretty well!
I say:
Yes .......they are already British...
(82) Islander
British National Party are pretty irrelevant now..... yes but... mathematics seldom lies my friend.....
The Continent’s “good example” with right wing parties in government and proportional representation will give BNP a violent boost in the next elections.
Wait 4,5 years and remember our talk here...Ok?
The biiiig difference today is that your % of “right wing extremists” is on the rise; ours topped 30 years ago and is declining rapidly.
The BNP came out of the break-up of the National Front. It's now in crisis because of its lack of success in the General Election. I suspect it'll fall apart within the next few years and then another 'successor' party will arise. The chances of any of them forming a Government are about the same as the Monster Raving Looney Party!
My interest, evaluations and theories about the BNP are mainly personal.....
Because of strange circumstances in life I have closely followed the political process in Holland and Denmark diring the last 15 years.
Surely you know little about these countries but, if interested, a “quick surf” will give you all the info you want about Geert Wilders (PVV ) and Pia Kjaersgaard (DF) deciding power in their respective countries.
Everybody was ignoring those parties/movements 15 years ago.
Like you do.
Now they are in power.
Furthermore, my personal experience is that those two small countries and Britain are remarkably similar in attitude and mentality.
So......... Lets wait and see..... shall we?
I share many of his concerns regarding fundamental Islam (the Thai version seems very laid back) and support his views regarding freedom of speech. I would not necessarily support his angle on immigration however I like his views on taxation and apparently he claims to be a fan of Maggie, so he can't be all bad.
Only a quick scan but I wouldn't immediately put him into the BNP camp. Based mainly on their actions, I consider the BNP to be little more than thick thugs. And I've met some of the more personable of them.
Requires more thought.
I'll take a look at the other one later.
Going back to Wilder, I would put one huge question mark against his intelligence. Banning books has never worked and usually has the effect of enhancing their reputation. That level of naivety concerns me.
Both parties were started by and for “thick thugs” as you so nicely put it.
Later on some clever PR and highly paid Spin Doctors have polished away their worst “gaffes” (denying the holocaust etc. etc.).
No ”Right Centre Tories” here mate..... Make no mistake....
Wilders Dutch PVV is inspired and guided by the Danish DF Party.
BNP has closely contacts with their successful cousins in the continent.
They may be thugs... but they have a cunning plan!
on the left lapel
Thanks for your little rant there, and your desire for someone to ethincally cleanse all Britons in the world, it is good to see that Argentines still have a desire to destroy certain ethicities so they can acquire land. Somethings just dont change?
And who claims the Falklands is a colony? You are suggesting the people of the Falklands are? This is once again, incorrect. We dont claim to be a colony, only Argentina and their chums call us a colony. And the only way any neogotiations will take place concerning the Falklands, is when the Falklands themselves decide, and Britain has stated this many many times. Why turn a self-governing territory, like the Falklands, into an Argentine colony, because that is what the Falklands would become. Another country imposing its social, poltical, economic and cultural will on another. Keep it coming avargas, I can do this all day.
And I do enjoy Think's pointless references to other things that have nothing to do with the Falklands in a desperate attempt to win a debate. You bring up the BNP, yes they are facsists, but between Britain and Argentina...which country had a fascist dictatorship that exercised censorship and murder to keep control recently? I am sure Think will know the answer. But his irrelevant counter arguement will have something to do with Britain's involvement with the Nazis...oh crap, he has already used that one...lets have it Think, share more of your irrelevant wisdom.
I can see why you like to “debate” with a obviously deranged person like Avargas2001.
It's easy... Makes you feel superior, maybe even intelligent.
Like holding a midget at arm’s length and kicking him in the balls.
About me... Why are you asking me questions and giving me all the right answers?
Do you want me to win?
the right answer is: CRONWELL, isn´t him?
I knew that my recent learning trip to the islands would be useful some day, didn´t expect so fast...did I win the contest?
:-D
Yours, from P.Arenas, Pheel.
You surely mean C R O M W E L L whit an M.....
Learning trip ! ! Right! !
Mr. heroic Uruguayan volunteer to the Malvinas War that turned British and doesn't speak Spanish I recall....
Como está usted Señor?
It is easy, but he makes it easy. But avargas is nonetheless direct, to the point and doesnt trail off to irrelevant subjects in an attempt to make himself feel superior, just because he knows a little about something else. But dont mind me Think, by all means, carry on with your irrelevance and attempts to belittle others with your superior intellect. As this is the reason why you are here, to dazzle us with your knowledge, and witty replies. We all appreciate it.
Seriously, haven´t you invited argentine schools too?
As my argentine half-baked-culture-level knows, mutual knowledge has made miracles por peace and development.
How do you feel about some exchanging?
no like beating the argies in the Falklands war
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ktBQ51iGWw
You are absolutely right.
I’m trying to belittle something here.
I’m taking a crack at idiocy.
Idiocy Kills.
I'm doing it by “picking” some of the dehumanizing arguments your side employs against us................ and turn them around.
Be it nazi connections, inhuman conduct, racism, hypocrisy, political developments, whatsoever...... .....
I use humor and reason to “survive” in here.
Nothing irrelevant about them.
They make life worth living.
They are life.
I'm not asking how you learned English....
I'm asking: How comes that you don't speak Spanish?
“ It's very sad so many of you live in darkness. Your country and the rest of the South American gang needs to worry about their economies and the suffering that goes on in their lands.”
We live in free countries.
You are free to lie.
And I have the liberty of exposing and ignoring you and your lies.
Truth is usually poison for liars mate...
So in thiscase you are right.
Maybe if you learned the language you wouldn't hate Uruguay as much as you say you do.
If you live there.....
Which I very much doubt.....
“Maestro” Tabarez has showed he is better.
As everybody here, we will be supporting Uruguay...cousins.
Wish i could see that match sitting at the bar in Cabo Polonio drinking Caipiriñas......
argentina its bed time, put them away,
So, after picking their info from, in average, 3 to 4 domestic sources (most of them owned by the same person, Rupert Murdoch), disqualifying the few independent voices as “irrelevant freaks”, “communists” or “traitors” they move on to “international sources”.
Here is where the MercoPresses” of this world come in.....
Britons get their domestic implanted ideas confirmed.
All is under control.
The apes are making noises but we still have the keys of their cages.
It’s comforting to go to sleep knowing that you are a little bit better than the others by being British!
Indulge me for a moment please.....
Try this little funny experiment:
Google exactly the following, (with quotation marks): “Argentine oil drill to penetrate near Falklands waters”
Scroll down and click on “repeat search to see all similar results” or something.
You should get about 2770 hits from Rupert Murdoch’s “Independent Newspapers” all around the globe.
Amazing Huhhhh....!
www.ciudad.com.ar/actualidad/%C2%A1exclusivo-el-desnudo-de-maradona
“Ever since the re-establishment of British rule in 1833, Argentina has claimed sovereignty. In pursuit of this claim, which is rejected by the islanders, Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands in 1982. This precipitated the two-month-long undeclared Falklands War between Argentina and the United Kingdom and resulted in the defeat and withdrawal of the Argentine forces.
Since the war, there has been strong economic growth in both fisheries and tourism”.
From the USA, the noise down there is quite irritant!
Happy readings
Que?
Oh and I'm spanish too and I can prove it in writing - “hasta la vista baby” :-)
Please don't you others respond to my Que's
My Que's are only for Liberty!
I'm luring him with my Que's
My Que's will help him remember his Spanish.
O qué Señor Libertad?
“man not only this cowards used kids as ponds, but even have the face to stay around make noise about it, as if something honourable was done. then they get mad if you called them cowards, pesting people is not going to get them anywhere. why is Lan Chile breaking Argentine law ? There should be a large fine for breaking the law.”
Ponds?
Pesting?
except the sharks
Usefull Info for Debaters:
(Monobaters, just keep reading “The Sun”)
Full 2010 Report on Argentina:
(Square and Fair critic)
www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=22&country=7771&year=2010
Good Critical English E-News about Argentina:
(Written mostly by PomSinArg)
www.argentinaindependent.com
Have a Sunny Sunday
We will always have Polo though....
www.worldpolotour.com/ranking.php
Here comes the crunch: how and why does this all matter to the European Union? Well, apart from the fact that the Falkland Islands are populated by British – and therefore European – citizens, whose right to self-determination must be resolutely upheld, British sovereignty is important for three reasons:
Any energy reserves or other natural resources found in the South Atlantic could almost certainly be shipped back to the European Union, reducing our collective dependence on unruly or unstable foreign suppliers (e.g. Russia and the Middle East). Given that North Sea reserves, which were around fifty billion barrels, have powered-up much of the European economy for nearly four decades, the possible sixty billion barrels under the Falklands could keep Europeans going for just as long – and this fact becomes even more important should conflicts break out over key minerals in the future.
The Falklands are geostrategically significant due to their particular location. Just five hundred kilometres from the Strait of Magellan and Drake’s Passage, they give their owner total command over the lower part of the South Atlantic (see map, above). Other than the Panama Canal, these two ‘strategic chokepoints’ are the only direct links between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.
And crucially, given that parts of the Antarctic continent could eventually be uncovered or made more habitable with the onset and acceleration of climate change – revealing potentially enormous mineral wealth – British possession of the Falkland Islands makes any future European territorial claim over parts of the southern hemisphere more likely and legitimate. Equally, the Islands are actually quite large (roughly half the size of Belgium), so could support the infrastructure necessary to support a connexion with any potential European resource extraction facilities in the Antarctic.
So those who dismiss the Falkland Islands as an anachronism are mistaken. The Isla
europeangeostrategy.ideasoneurope.eu/2010/03/07/the-falklands-the-european-unions-antarctic-key/
Congratulations!
You discovered Antarctica!!!
your learning
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