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Argentina protests visit of Chilean students to Falklands
The recent Chilean students’ visit to the Falkland Islands for three weeks to improve their English and become acquainted with the Islands’ culture was questioned by Argentine diplomatic officials who contacted Punta Arenas mayor Vladimiro Mimica, reports the Sunday edition of La Prensa Austral. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesgood move CFK
Jul 05th, 2010 - 04:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0nice to meet you
how f***ing petty,this will teach the students how a mature “democracy” works
Jul 05th, 2010 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0“... The report from La Prensa Austral adds that it was not possible to obtain a reply or statement from the Chilean Foreign Affairs ministry on the issue....” hopefully because Chile told Argentina to 'mind its own business'!
Jul 05th, 2010 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... on leaving the mayor wished the students a good trip and a pleasant stay in the “Falklands”....” - well at least the Mayor can read a map.
“ ... on top of the recent Falklands’ decision to cancel a sea link with Punta Areas, supposedly because of the extremely high cots of the local port’s services and “restrictions imposed by Argentina on vessels crossing its waters” ....” - and there was me Think, assuming that it had been the Chilean authorities that had cancelled the ship!
Hope the student's enjoyed their trip ... and learnt something, if only about Argentine arrogance :-)
Let us get this right. The Argentine government is complaing about a “School Trip” for students from another country (Chile) who are visiting the Falkland Islands for an educational visit. You couldn't make this up if you tried - a School Trip for God's sake. It is a School Trip - not joint military exercises or something like that.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina now wants to restrict the educational opportunites of school children from another country? It was a “School Trip”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Chilean Foriegn Ministry has not commented, why? Because it is an unimportant issue for any rational human being!
Bafana Bafana
Jul 05th, 2010 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0”how f***ing petty
a School Trip for God's sake.
It is a School Trip -
It was a “School Trip”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Argentina now wants to restrict the educational opportunites of school children!”
Ohhhh... your broken hearts for those South American children is so..... ....heartbreakening.
Policy worked pretty well against good old South Africa, lads.
Amandla
Yes indeed how petty, just as petty as when Argentina kicked up a major diplomatic fuss when a cricket team from the Falklands were playing a Chilean cricket team. Its pathetic.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0The cumulative effect of all these petty interferences will be to ensure that the people of the Falkland Islanders want nothing to do with Argentina.
South Africa? Interesting analogy, the thing is the boycott against South Africa was to stop racism and ethnic hatred, not re-inforce it. Your petty restrictions will not work.
Whoops, I missed the little picture - apparently the student's 'thoroughly enjoyed their stay'. Well that's good then. They would have had less joy improving their English in Buenas Aries.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Such pettiness cannot help the way the world looks at Argentina so I say bring it ... more complaining and whinging please so that the mature world can see you real face.
:-)
ps. have you had a go at God? I'm sure some of those clouds are moving across without a permit
It's a bit rich to bring up South Africa Think, especially since the Argentine constitution - as amended in 1994 - discriminates against non-Europeans. Check out Article 25.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0* Nos Ladran Sancho, Señal que cabalgamos!
Jul 05th, 2010 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0*Orson Welles
The argies are petty
Jul 05th, 2010 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0orson cart
:-)
Jul 05th, 2010 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0...and I thought the country I returned to had learnt something, was on the progressive road of democratic improvement. Sadly, the junta lives on in a different frock....Disgusting atttitude to say the very least.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0(12) Globetrotter
Jul 05th, 2010 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have read some of your previous comments in here.
You seem to be, by you own descriptions and comments (please correct me if wrong) a pretty well off neo-liberal Northamerican living in the center of Argentina.
Once in a while you come with a kind of “Fox News” regurgitation like: “The junta lives on in a different frock”.
What is what you want?
The old Junta?
I wonder what the mighty Argies have left in their armoury to retake the Falklands
Jul 05th, 2010 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know why everyone is moaning about this. It's the funniest news story of the day.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0They'll be heckling migratory birds and fish next for having the temerity to visit the Falklands.
globetrotter seems to want a free, democratic, informed and intelligent country. Unlikely to get it with people like Twinky around. Best to abandon Kirchnerland to its fate.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Latest News - Argentina is placing licensing conditions on migratory birds. Any avian wishing to visit the Falkland Islands will require a permit !
Jul 05th, 2010 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0..... and we will retaliate by denying access to illegal cattle egrets arriving without the proper documentation !!!!!
Jul 05th, 2010 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina would do well to examine the success of economic blockades around the world over the years.........they simply do not work. Cuba, Gaza, Iran, Iraq, Burma.....etc, etc All it does is to make the victims more determined to resist the blockaders, whatever the merits or otherwise of the arguments, and to make poor people suffer. And as for attempts to restrict culture and education....wrong millenium chaps.
But thanks for making yourselves look rediculous to thinking people, and hope the visit of comrade Assad was successful, a real triumph for representative democracy !!
Worked before 1982
Jul 05th, 2010 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will work again.
No military interruptions this time.
People will not suffer, they'll move voluntarily.
First to go? The Chilean, Argies and other coloured people.
Then the Rich; Jersey is much nicer.....
At last the hardliners will remain.
They will not suffer, some of them will even like it that way....
I've said this before but I'll say it again ... even if the penguins leave, we will still not give you our Falkland Islands ... that is the reality!
Jul 05th, 2010 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(20) Hoyt
Jul 05th, 2010 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You make it sound so uncomplicated!
If I didn't knew better, I would feel very safe around you.
I see that most people here care only for the apparent setbacks. This visit might prove useful also for the bennies... to improve their Spanish.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
Jul 05th, 2010 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To the Argentine contributors on this page who support ther Govt,s actions over the issue: it really does show just how backward, depraved and mentally sick you are. They are young children who come here on a school interchange - it has sweet f*** all to do with politics! Its not new either - school kids from here have gone over to Punta Arenas in other years.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact that your Govt is so fanatical and petty that it has to LOWER and DEMEAN Argentina by being so pathetic really does show up what their basic levels are - way below the toilet floor.
We know of course that playing politics with children IS Argentine level - you tried it with students who went from here to Arg in the 1970s - you have tried it more recently with a “rugby tour” to here.
Lets dispute Sovereignty as adults OK - but grow up and leave children out of it!
children are students, students means money and the money is an adult matter.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as military is out of the table economic consequences are the music of the dispute.
tell me mate, just imagine if there were no dispute; how many southamerican students (argies, chil, braz, urug, parag) could go to Malvinas every year to study english and spend their precious little green papers in your economy?? 5.000, 10.000, 15.000??
The owner of the sweet shop in Stanley is going to go bankrupt if this continues.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a scandal.
I don't have any problem with children going there to learn english, that's fine, I don't mind. The thing is when it is encouraged by governmet officials, that's the issue and Argentine government was right in the complaint.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0P.S. Globetrotter is not an argentine, he's good at spanish, but not enough to fool me. I checked it some months ago.
but not enough to fool me.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's comforting
(24) Islander
Jul 05th, 2010 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My hearth is bleeding for those children...
Why did YOU use them in YOUR political game !!!
You invited them and paid more than 50%a of the trip.
It really does show just how backward, depraved and mentally sick you are.
They are young children !
Grow up and leave children out of it!
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Jul 05th, 2010 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tut tut more nastiness from the poison pens of Messrs twink and jorge
Jul 05th, 2010 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A nasty vegetable, the turnip has been banned from this thread :-)
Jul 05th, 2010 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh I don't know about that Think, turnip is quite tasty in a good pasty.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ahhh, a great big turnip in the country to retire too, what more could a Baldrick ask for?!
29 Twinky. How can you object to children? You have Billy. And jorge! And alex.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But feel free to continue posting your inanities. I haven't noticed an ADULT comment from you for some time.
Think- its you who needs to grow up - sensible people like the FI and Chile keep politics OUT by doing things 50:50. This is not the first time- and it wont be the last no doubt. Suggest you vist the airport in Punta one day on a Satuday - there you will hear the flight departure correctly using BOTH names for the Islands. As for Billy - tell me - is it cheaper (never mind safer!) for children from Southern Chile to travel to the Islands for a couple of weeks - or travel all the way to USA?
Jul 05th, 2010 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jorge - you will find that neither Govt took any political action in breifing the children one way or the other over politics - nor would either have dreamed of it!
If the dispute were deactivated it would be cheaper and atractive for children of south cone to travel & study in Malvinas than anywhere else.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas have the potential to run a premium english university for regional students with several asociate busineses. Actual loss is at your cost.
In actual scenario politics, economy, dispute, children & students, communications, oil, fish, turism are in the same bag. Sorry mate, is the reality we have, the reality that neither argentines nor kelpers chose. Blame your colonial masters for this situation, they chose to came to south atlantic, we don´t invite them.
18: absolutely correct. In every way.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plus, to place an economic blockade, you have to have some sort of impact within said economy. Argentina has to leverage because the islands dont rely on them, in any way.
Billy, I can see no moral difference between the the Argentine Confederation's colonialist expansion into Patagonia and the British colonial establishment of their colony on the Islands.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To me both were acts of colonialism; I think it would be fair to say the British assertion of sovereignty over the Islands was peaceful, but did use coercion to force the remaining United Provinces garrison to leave; whilst the Conquest of the Dessert was often bloody and cruel and did constitute genocide in the opinion of the Mapuche and other indigenous peoples of Patagonia.
Britain sought territory in the South Atlantic, just as Argentina sought territory in Patagonia and eventually succeeded in its final annexation.
Argentina sought additional territory in the South Atlantic but was confronted by the British who had got there first. Stalemate ensued & a war of words began
Today's argument over the Islands seems to about whether or not Argentina should complete its 19th Century colonial ambition to expand its territory and Britain should accede to that desire
My understanding, and correct me if I'm wholly wrong, is that the Argentine claim for the Islands was really made a massive political issue from 1930s onwards
It seems to me, if this is all the dispute is about, i.e. a frustrated Argentine policy of territorial expansion from colonial times, then it is without merit in the modern world
Your argument that the Islanders economic and political repression by Argentina is the fault of the UK is perverse, because of course both Argentina & the UK are obliged to implement resolution 1514(XV) which covers the case of the Islanders as a dependent territory and 2065(XX) confirms covers their case
The rest is just political posturing & some propaganda to leverage the Argentine strategy. As is the strategy to try & position the British as the cause for the Argentine coercive repression; I can't see the Islanders falling for such simple propaganda, they firmly blame the AR govt.
Billy - “ ... Blame your colonial masters for this situation, they chose to came to south atlantic, we don´t invite them. ...”
Jul 05th, 2010 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You weren't there to invite them Billy boy because your ancestors were busy on the mainland. You really have a strange view of your roots. What's good for the goose is, according to your version, not good for the gander?
The Viceroyalty of the River Plata was Spanish and became Argentine. The Falkland islands are British and may yet become Falklands. Now tell me, how are the two different?
What’s wrong with the visit? Was the official from de Argentine embassy in Santiago covering her ass? Why a private visit in order to study the Islands’ culture was questioned in that way? Despite the conflict (is a fact) between Argentina, the British Government and the Islanders (another fact which can’t be ignored if we want to arrive at a rational solution in the not near future), students of all nationalities including ours, should be allowed to visit the Islands. And I do believe that those students should be allowed too to visit Argentina. I think we should try it in order to seek a major and progressive understanding.
Jul 06th, 2010 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0so now argentina is dictating as to who can go to the falklands and who cannot, democracy argentinian style, the more other countrys go to the falklands the more stupid the argentinians look in the eyes of other south american countrys,let alone the rest of the word,
Jul 06th, 2010 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0“so now argentina is dictating as to who can go to the falklands and who cannot”
Jul 06th, 2010 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0argentina is exersicing her sovereignty at her way...nice to meet you status quo.
hey domingo, why don´t you talk about independence?; my own view of future is argentina and bennies negotiating independence, trading britain leaving x recognoisance of kelper nation selfdeterminationj without any power over her.
We'll still have South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands BillyHaze, so how does that get the British out of the south Atlantic?
Jul 06th, 2010 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0thank you for the retreat, but please leave south atlantic, you belong to north atlantic, 14k miles away; no selfdetermination in georgias not in sandwich.
Jul 06th, 2010 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0(36) Islander
Jul 06th, 2010 - 05:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is you that are using those 8 Chilean teenagers for political reasons.
You politicized the situation even more when the British Consul “gave instructions” to them before their trip to Malvinas!
That was the first “Briefing”.
http://www.radiopolar.com/noticia_35736.html
This is not an “innocent” “generous” gesture from you
You are “luring” poor South American youngsters for your own benefit.
If they speak English it would be much easier for them to get a job waiting your tables or cleaning your school.
Self righteous calculating rich hypocrites playing the “victim card”; that is what you Islanders have become during the last 30 years......
So understand it:
We are not living Oil out of it
We are not living Fish out of it
We are not living Sport out of it
We are not living Culture out of it
We are not living Tourism out of it
The only thing we are “living out” is the military option.
Self righteous calculating rich hypocrites playing the “victim card”; that is what you Islanders have become during the last 30 years
Jul 06th, 2010 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is it the Rich part of that statement that hurts the most twink?
as for hypocrites playing the victim card,it seems that the argies and islanders have more in common than i first thought
They are loaded Sticky...
Jul 06th, 2010 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do your own research...
I dare say the are considerably richer per capita than Argies,but then so is most of the developed world.
Jul 06th, 2010 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/11841/
take note, I will be asking questions
“ ... thank you for the retreat, but please leave south atlantic, you belong to north atlantic, 14k miles away; no selfdetermination in georgias not in sandwich....”
Jul 06th, 2010 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now it's a funny old thing there Billious Haze, but the issue of 'self determination' does not arise in the case of South Georgia or the South Sandwich Islands .... the reality is that we (the British) own them outright and you (Argentina) does not! You have no claim.... go on, try and find one that's backed up with ... well anything really.
So we can't be shifted from the south Atlantic, period ... hello neighbour :-)
(50) Hoyt
Jul 06th, 2010 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hello Neighbour.....
Cold far and lonely down there...
Here is a book from a modern “Jules Verne” for the looong antarctic nights.
Maybe you will find it interesting!
You love “hypothetical” fantasies....
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/esp_tierra_hueca_13.htm
Fantasy is right ...
Jul 06th, 2010 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0cold and lonely sure ... but it'll be where the next world war kicks off !
Ouchhhhh.....
Jul 06th, 2010 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brutinator vs Argentinator?
Nooo.... Have seen that movie already
Baaaaad movie.
Nope, it'll be where the big boys fight, your country, my country will merely have the option of choosing sides!
Jul 06th, 2010 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well.....
Jul 06th, 2010 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0We tried (officially) to stay out of the last “imaginary big one”.. (Cold War, remember it?)
However, newly declassified “ CIA Contingency Plans” include Argentina (and Brazil, Chile etc..) as “Legitimate Geopolitical Atomic Targets”.
Their “logic”was that if the “Big Boys” of the Northern Hemisphere destroyed each other, they didn't want that “power vacuum” filled.
Trust your military.......
well at least you are still alve today, you have the west to thank for that
Jul 06th, 2010 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(7) Hoyt
Jul 06th, 2010 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You said:
Whoops, I missed the little picture - apparently the student's 'thoroughly enjoyed their stay'.
I say:
Nice happy picture at the top of this article..... but......can you “find the five errors”?
Nice happy picture at the top of this article..... but......can you “find the five errors”?
Jul 06th, 2010 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you get out much twink,I thought that all Argentines are supposed to be slim,you must buck the trend twink glued to your pc 24/7
For all the argentines who think this is a political move. You have to understand, we don't CARE about argentina or it's claim.
Jul 06th, 2010 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can this be politically motivated when we have nothing to discuss or even care about your nations oppinion? These kids were just having a trip.
Argentina has been making political moves, because you want something to change. We have simply been telling you “no.” and thats all there really is to it.
43 Billy Hayes:
If it wasnt for argentina, the falklands islands WOULD be independant. They only need us for defence, from you guys.
43 Billy. “argentina is exersicing her sovereignty at her way”
Jul 06th, 2010 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What sovereignty is that, Billy boy? You don't have sovereignty over Chile. And you don't have sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.
So Argentina has nothing but a big mouth. Oh, and a presidential decree that is illegal under international law.
And a UN Committee of puppets to whom nobody pays any attention.
Grow up!!!
besides as i have said before, he who has the power ??
Jul 06th, 2010 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the reason the UK Goverment totaly ignores you , is the fact that you have [no claim][no power] [no argument] [no say]
and as we would say to you [end off]
Think - luckily we have laws here that prevent the employment of a bunch of 10-12 yr olds - dont you? I have no doubt when the return visit takes plae the kids from here that go to Chile will have similar non-political talks and introductions on how the school runs, who looks after who and how to contact them, and some basic “do,s” and “don,ts” for the new environment they are in.
Jul 07th, 2010 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry I can only repeat- and its echoed by the words I have heard from many folk in Chile as well - your country has really sunk itself down into the mire in trying to insert politics into childrens education. As one person wrote earlier- what would the Arg Govt line be if a group of Arg school kids came over for a couple of weeks on an educational visit? I suspect they would ban it from the start - or isolate them on return incase we had tried to brainwash them!
(62) Islander
Jul 07th, 2010 - 05:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I understand your frustration.....
Not nice when the Argies act instead of talk.
Much easier in the “old days” when they really shot themselves in the foot.
You should understand that Argentina cares a lot about the Islanders and the British public opinion.
More militant and rabid it becomes better for us....
I would hope some of the “Turnips” in here had some say in Britain politics.
They would make things so much easier for us.
As Mr. Galtieri did for you.
At the rate they are advancing, the British National Party would be our best hope.
BNP Performance
1987: 563 votes
1992: 7.631 votes
1997: 35.832 votes
2001: 47.129 votes
2005: 192.746 votes
2010: 563.743 votes
2015: ___________
2020: ___________
2025: ___________
We will keep the good work from our side and....wait and see.
More militant and rabid it becomes better for us
Jul 07th, 2010 - 05:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0au contraire
Think - check out the British press, you are a sub-heading on a no news day!
Jul 07th, 2010 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Much as the BNP are!
“Sub-heading on a no news day
Jul 07th, 2010 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Much as the BNP are!”
They said pretty much the same in Austria, Italy, Belgium, Denmark, Holland.......
Now they are the deciding factors.
Twinky, you're grasping at straws. And it shows.
Jul 07th, 2010 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0BNP got 1.9% of the votes. That's 1.9% of 29,691,780 votes ... Think.... pull the other one :-)
Jul 07th, 2010 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2010
But even if you're right then the further the country swings to the right, the less chance Argentina has of getting anywhere in its spurious claims. So your point is?
My information table is taken precisely from the same link as yours!
Jul 07th, 2010 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look at the progression old chap.. the progression!
My point is:
We can´t negotiate with you anyhow... can we?
A hardline right wing Govt. in UK will enjoy much less sympathy with the rest of the world “Brownish Population” .
This kind of people tend to loose their international cool quite often in order to score some quick demagogic points at home.
Makes our international diplomatic strategy much easier.
:-)
Jul 07th, 2010 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Progression? Wow, you're more patient than I thought :-)
Jul 07th, 2010 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Conditio sine qua non dealing with Britons.
Jul 07th, 2010 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think it's too bad that illegal aliens in Malvinas don't apply for their Argentine status and end ther ilegal occupation of Malvinas, and even worst is to have the Chileans fall for it, I think Argentina should just block LAN Chile from trying any of their stupid attacks on Argentine laws and politicians, Chile has always laought at us because our politicians fail to teach them a lesson, and nobody listens unless you do something to them.
Jul 07th, 2010 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You argies are a laoughting stock
Jul 07th, 2010 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0avargas2001: Give them a reason to join your nation? lol. You honestly think they would trade the UK for argentina? LOL.
Jul 07th, 2010 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if anything the argentinians should say sorry to the british, and falklands, shame on you for picking on small tiny nations,
Jul 07th, 2010 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Billy ( #43/45): Yes, the Islanders are free to choose full independence, this is precisely what resolution 1514(XV) empowers them to do & 2065(XX) confirms, without any interference or say from Britain or Argentina. So no negotiation is required with Argentina on the matter of full independence, there you are wrong
Jul 07th, 2010 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The settlers in the South Atlantic of British descent have as much right to be in the South Atlantic as any Argentine of Spanish or Italian descent. I'd venture more right, because they were there first!
The South Atlantic does not belong to Argentina after all; even though Argentina covets strategic control of the South Atlantic to obtain exclusive access to all natural resources, that does not mean peoples of non-Spanish or Portuguese descent, may not live in the South Atlantic
If the people have been living there long enough, then they have a right to be there. Argentina can promote a foreign policy based on popular bigotry to dehumanise an ethnic minority in the region if it so wishes, but I find this policy repugnant, as it hypocritical when those peoples who are discriminated against, are there for the precise same reasons the as those who persecute them
Your opinion that “the British belong elsewhere” is unreasonable, because they have rightful title to the territories they own; & Argentina cannot show it to be otherwise, if it could, it should take its dispute to the ICJ like the Beagle Channel dispute for a fair hearing
Here I am talking about South Georgia, South Sandwich & British Antarctica. Although there is no reason for Argentina not to present its case to the ICJ; although they should expect a strong counter-claim from the Islanders citing the supremacy of their express right to self-determination under General Assembly resolution 1514(XV) & implicit rights under the UN Charter
Most people see the Argentine claim that the Brits don't belong in the South Atlantic as propaganda; the same argument applies to implanted Argentines
fakland is not a nation look it up ignorants, maybe a nation of pirats from UK but not a nation, they can't be a nation because they claim to be a british colony and UN has asked UK to sit with Argentina and talk decolonization with Argentina, if UK wants to ignore UN for another 150 years is up to them, since they like to live under threat and being the victims who threat other nations with nukes, we can wait untill we have our own nukes and rid our land of british pest, and maybe we get rid of that island called UK, I think any company dealing with the enemy is a spy nation and deserves to be blocked, UN did nothing for Argentina and waited untill we went to war, maybve that is the only way to get things done, with weapons.
Jul 07th, 2010 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You tried that a few years ago, it's not an option for you mate. you don't have a military option.
Jul 07th, 2010 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN has asked us to talk yes. that does not mean give argentina the islands.
The UK has never threatened you with nukes.
avarGAS - “ ..fakland is not a nation ...”
Jul 08th, 2010 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not yet gasious, but they've a rather better chance of becoming one than Argentina ever has of gaining ownership :-)
eeeh, sorry, but perhaps wikigod's definition will be accepted. I mean Youtube generally is:
Jul 08th, 2010 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0A nation is a group of people who share common history, culture, ethnic origin and language, often possessing or seeking its own government.[1]
So, I'm sorry, Falklands fits that bracket pretty well!
Think- there seems to have been some backtracking on the issue now - one recalls the old saying- and perhaps the K,s now understand it - “When you are in a hole and it smells - best thing is stop digging”.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 03:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0BNP - they are pretty irrelevant now-also lost the few local govt seats they had in England as well. Every country has its % of extremists - yours does- and even ours as well!
Arvgas - we ceased being a Colony a decade or two ago - colony in the way you understand - and colony in the form Argentina wants us to revert to-with her as the colonial power 19th century style.
(81) JoJo
Jul 08th, 2010 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
A nation is a group of people who share common history, culture, ethnic origin and language, often possessing or seeking its own government.
.....Falklands fits that bracket pretty well!
I say:
Yes .......they are already British...
(82) Islander
British National Party are pretty irrelevant now..... yes but... mathematics seldom lies my friend.....
The Continent’s “good example” with right wing parties in government and proportional representation will give BNP a violent boost in the next elections.
Wait 4,5 years and remember our talk here...Ok?
The biiiig difference today is that your % of “right wing extremists” is on the rise; ours topped 30 years ago and is declining rapidly.
There's a book that I've read too Think - http://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Lie-Statistics-Penguin-Business/dp/0140136290
Jul 08th, 2010 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0The BNP came out of the break-up of the National Front. It's now in crisis because of its lack of success in the General Election. I suspect it'll fall apart within the next few years and then another 'successor' party will arise. The chances of any of them forming a Government are about the same as the Monster Raving Looney Party!
And the relavence of the BNP to Argentina s claim to the Falklands?
Jul 08th, 2010 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0(84) Hoyt
Jul 08th, 2010 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0My interest, evaluations and theories about the BNP are mainly personal.....
Because of strange circumstances in life I have closely followed the political process in Holland and Denmark diring the last 15 years.
Surely you know little about these countries but, if interested, a “quick surf” will give you all the info you want about Geert Wilders (PVV ) and Pia Kjaersgaard (DF) deciding power in their respective countries.
Everybody was ignoring those parties/movements 15 years ago.
Like you do.
Now they are in power.
Furthermore, my personal experience is that those two small countries and Britain are remarkably similar in attitude and mentality.
So......... Lets wait and see..... shall we?
Interesting - a quick scan of Geert Wilders suggests a right of centre Tory!
Jul 08th, 2010 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0I share many of his concerns regarding fundamental Islam (the Thai version seems very laid back) and support his views regarding freedom of speech. I would not necessarily support his angle on immigration however I like his views on taxation and apparently he claims to be a fan of Maggie, so he can't be all bad.
Only a quick scan but I wouldn't immediately put him into the BNP camp. Based mainly on their actions, I consider the BNP to be little more than thick thugs. And I've met some of the more personable of them.
Requires more thought.
I'll take a look at the other one later.
Pia Kjaersgaard - oh dear no, a far shallower character than Wilders. Caught using a prohibited weapon and then wants to change the law. Mark of her character that I'm afraid. I have sympathy with her views on Taiwan but that, again on a quick scan with the god Wiki, is the best I can do. She does appear to be closer to BNP.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Going back to Wilder, I would put one huge question mark against his intelligence. Banning books has never worked and usually has the effect of enhancing their reputation. That level of naivety concerns me.
Thanks for your quite adequate evaluation...
Jul 08th, 2010 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Both parties were started by and for “thick thugs” as you so nicely put it.
Later on some clever PR and highly paid Spin Doctors have polished away their worst “gaffes” (denying the holocaust etc. etc.).
No ”Right Centre Tories” here mate..... Make no mistake....
Wilders Dutch PVV is inspired and guided by the Danish DF Party.
BNP has closely contacts with their successful cousins in the continent.
They may be thugs... but they have a cunning plan!
but does it involve a turnip?
Jul 08th, 2010 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No more... .......now they use a Poppie......
Jul 08th, 2010 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0on the left lapel
@avargas2001
Jul 08th, 2010 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your little rant there, and your desire for someone to ethincally cleanse all Britons in the world, it is good to see that Argentines still have a desire to destroy certain ethicities so they can acquire land. Somethings just dont change?
And who claims the Falklands is a colony? You are suggesting the people of the Falklands are? This is once again, incorrect. We dont claim to be a colony, only Argentina and their chums call us a colony. And the only way any neogotiations will take place concerning the Falklands, is when the Falklands themselves decide, and Britain has stated this many many times. Why turn a self-governing territory, like the Falklands, into an Argentine colony, because that is what the Falklands would become. Another country imposing its social, poltical, economic and cultural will on another. Keep it coming avargas, I can do this all day.
And I do enjoy Think's pointless references to other things that have nothing to do with the Falklands in a desperate attempt to win a debate. You bring up the BNP, yes they are facsists, but between Britain and Argentina...which country had a fascist dictatorship that exercised censorship and murder to keep control recently? I am sure Think will know the answer. But his irrelevant counter arguement will have something to do with Britain's involvement with the Nazis...oh crap, he has already used that one...lets have it Think, share more of your irrelevant wisdom.
(92)M_of_FI
Jul 08th, 2010 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can see why you like to “debate” with a obviously deranged person like Avargas2001.
It's easy... Makes you feel superior, maybe even intelligent.
Like holding a midget at arm’s length and kicking him in the balls.
About me... Why are you asking me questions and giving me all the right answers?
Do you want me to win?
92 - Master of Fire, sir,
Jul 08th, 2010 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the right answer is: CRONWELL, isn´t him?
I knew that my recent learning trip to the islands would be useful some day, didn´t expect so fast...did I win the contest?
:-D
Yours, from P.Arenas, Pheel.
Pheel - I suspect you mean Cromwell .. although the relevance eludes me!
Jul 08th, 2010 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tsk Tsk Boy
Jul 08th, 2010 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You surely mean C R O M W E L L whit an M.....
Learning trip ! ! Right! !
The education wasn´t enough...those argies that put pressure didn´t allow to finish the brainwash.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is the bully of South America w/out horns. It's a pity. If I want to visit the Falklands from Uruguay, I've to travel to Chile 1st. Then it becomes really expensive. They complain about everything. Sad, the South American governments don't know better. “They do the talk but they don't do the walk”. War of words, that's all !!
Jul 08th, 2010 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhh Liberty!
Jul 08th, 2010 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. heroic Uruguayan volunteer to the Malvinas War that turned British and doesn't speak Spanish I recall....
Como está usted Señor?
Hi Think, I couldnt care less if you win or not, the debate of Falklands Sovereignty in the Mercopress site is as irrelevant as debate on the Falklands Sovereignty in the UN Forum.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is easy, but he makes it easy. But avargas is nonetheless direct, to the point and doesnt trail off to irrelevant subjects in an attempt to make himself feel superior, just because he knows a little about something else. But dont mind me Think, by all means, carry on with your irrelevance and attempts to belittle others with your superior intellect. As this is the reason why you are here, to dazzle us with your knowledge, and witty replies. We all appreciate it.
Think, during my school days I learn English in a bilingual school in Montevideo. I study english in the morning and spanish in the afternoon. Today the school runs under another name, still there. I apologize w/out regrets to the islanders because in 1982 I was miss informed. Argentina and all South American countries need to let go of the sovereignty issue, it's a 200 year old, 19th century dispute. Move on, let the islanders live in peace, let people visit the island. The embargo doesn't work. England will never let you have it.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0M of Fi,
Jul 08th, 2010 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously, haven´t you invited argentine schools too?
As my argentine half-baked-culture-level knows, mutual knowledge has made miracles por peace and development.
How do you feel about some exchanging?
Like holding a midget at arm’s length and kicking him in the balls.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no like beating the argies in the Falklands war
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ktBQ51iGWw
(100) M_of_FI
Jul 08th, 2010 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are absolutely right.
I’m trying to belittle something here.
I’m taking a crack at idiocy.
Idiocy Kills.
I'm doing it by “picking” some of the dehumanizing arguments your side employs against us................ and turn them around.
Be it nazi connections, inhuman conduct, racism, hypocrisy, political developments, whatsoever...... .....
I use humor and reason to “survive” in here.
Nothing irrelevant about them.
They make life worth living.
They are life.
103, I just finished watching Ricky, good video, good laugh.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(101) Liberty
Jul 08th, 2010 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not asking how you learned English....
I'm asking: How comes that you don't speak Spanish?
(106) Think, according to the rules: “Comments must be in English. Thank you”. Maybe argentineans are not used to respecting laws, rules and regulations or human rights. Argentina invaded a country because they had a corrupt government in trouble. They're still using the same strategy to distract the naive argentinean people. It's very sad so many of you live in darkness. Your country and the rest of the South American gang needs to worry about their economies and the suffering that goes on in their lands. If you want to discuss w/me in spanish we can do it over our personal mail.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just translate your own words below and stop lying, you are just being pathetic!
Jul 08th, 2010 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ It's very sad so many of you live in darkness. Your country and the rest of the South American gang needs to worry about their economies and the suffering that goes on in their lands.”
(108) Think, my wife and I live in Uruguay for personal and economic reasons, otherwise we hate it. I don't have to translate s....t.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course you don't have to translate nothing...
Jul 08th, 2010 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We live in free countries.
You are free to lie.
And I have the liberty of exposing and ignoring you and your lies.
(110) Think, It's easy to call a man a liar over the net, It doesn't matter. I ain't going to get offended by an argentinean spitting poison on a public place. I know your kind.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LAN Chile is trading with the enemy ? why do we let LAN Chile ignore our government ??? I implore the people working at the airports, refuling stations, and adauana to slow them down or stop them at the borders, sand in the fuel or even food poison will do the trick, even a little ecolite from dirty hands will send them packing, we have to stop everyone who doesn't fallow Argentine laws, because if they don't why should we ??? we are at war without our government take up your spot and start shooting at anything that looks white.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(110) Liberty
Jul 08th, 2010 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Truth is usually poison for liars mate...
So in thiscase you are right.
Maybe if you learned the language you wouldn't hate Uruguay as much as you say you do.
If you live there.....
Which I very much doubt.....
I don't know how many argentineans or from other Latino countries post here. I think is ridiculous in this XXI century, living in an overpopulated world, with so many environmental problems, a large country like Argentina still carrying a territory feud since the 19 century. Get over it, Argentina is not the center of the world and Maradona is a terrible coach.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can agree on that...on Maradona.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Maestro” Tabarez has showed he is better.
As everybody here, we will be supporting Uruguay...cousins.
Cousins and brothers.....
Jul 08th, 2010 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wish i could see that match sitting at the bar in Cabo Polonio drinking Caipiriñas......
116 Think: I wish your government will stop demanding the Falkland Islands back, that way peaceful people can visit them if we wish. Of course that we can, thanks to Chile's government and LAN. It will be a lot cheaper to departure from Montevideo or Buenos Aires. You argentineans just make things more difficult an expensive;only because you want your flag to fly there. Argentina cannot take care of the islands, just travel around your country, it's misery !!
Jul 08th, 2010 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as usual this is full of british trolls who missed their meds this morning, I think its great that Argentine politicians are earning their money and working for Argentine to prevent the enemy from having their ways in Malvinas, sad for the kids, but stupid Chilean parents who didn't think a head, sad strategy to use the kids as ponds, then again this are the brits what else can we expect, and I won't even talk about soccer when we all know the difference between a tea bag and british national soccer team, in case you didn't know it “the tea bag last longer in a cup” now you can all lough. and liberty tell me where you are from so when the colony of illegal aliens in Malvinas get diported we can send them to your nation if UK won't take them, that is if they choose not to be in Argentina by choice, for what I eard they all want to go back to britain and britain won't take them, UK clearly told them we will protect you but we want nothing to do with you, this is why they had to make a government a proxy, and they face deportation if Argentina gets the island back, scarry but real, I will like to see Argentine get nuclear weapons like Iran did so we can defend Argentina against UK coming to take the south witch they being at it since 1833, there is someone here thinking that Argentine went to UK and started a war with them, but it the oposite UK came to rio de la plata way back in 1800, sad that people who write better then I do, know their history from spy press lies and never take the time to get informed before they regurgitate.. I understand british ignorance and inferiority complex but what excuse do this trolls have to be tradors, I heard in the second world war people who turned tradors where shot where they stood. and only now I understand that there are sacrifices we must all make to build a democracy like thiers, pirats and tradors are a good practice run.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0little toys for little boys
Jul 08th, 2010 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0argentina its bed time, put them away,
My view (please correct me if I’m wrong) is that the British public likes to “think” that they are independent minded and well informed.
Jul 09th, 2010 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, after picking their info from, in average, 3 to 4 domestic sources (most of them owned by the same person, Rupert Murdoch), disqualifying the few independent voices as “irrelevant freaks”, “communists” or “traitors” they move on to “international sources”.
Here is where the MercoPresses” of this world come in.....
Britons get their domestic implanted ideas confirmed.
All is under control.
The apes are making noises but we still have the keys of their cages.
It’s comforting to go to sleep knowing that you are a little bit better than the others by being British!
Indulge me for a moment please.....
Try this little funny experiment:
Google exactly the following, (with quotation marks): “Argentine oil drill to penetrate near Falklands waters”
Scroll down and click on “repeat search to see all similar results” or something.
You should get about 2770 hits from Rupert Murdoch’s “Independent Newspapers” all around the globe.
Amazing Huhhhh....!
Yay more spam.
Jul 09th, 2010 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0120 Think: A couple years ago the Brits offered the argentinean government a joint oil venture. They rejected the offer w/out any consideration. Now the Evita's song is becoming popular again:
Jul 09th, 2010 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ciudad.com.ar/actualidad/%C2%A1exclusivo-el-desnudo-de-maradona
Que?
Jul 09th, 2010 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think and the argentinean gang:
Jul 09th, 2010 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Ever since the re-establishment of British rule in 1833, Argentina has claimed sovereignty. In pursuit of this claim, which is rejected by the islanders, Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands in 1982. This precipitated the two-month-long undeclared Falklands War between Argentina and the United Kingdom and resulted in the defeat and withdrawal of the Argentine forces.
Since the war, there has been strong economic growth in both fisheries and tourism”.
Que?
Jul 09th, 2010 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argetina is affected by a virus (the Kirchners..) All we can do is hope they leave in 2011 and a new government with more sense and sensibility will reverse some of these nonsense policies put in place. As for the students visiting the Falklands/Malvinas,...what kind of example is Argentina showing to them?
Jul 09th, 2010 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From the USA, the noise down there is quite irritant!
Happy readings
So Twinky is on the same level as Manuel!! Knew it.....a waiter.
Jul 09th, 2010 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0..... and Think'll be waiting a while longer I think .... maybe another 177 years :-)
Jul 10th, 2010 - 03:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Que?
Oh and I'm spanish too and I can prove it in writing - “hasta la vista baby” :-)
:-)
Jul 10th, 2010 - 04:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please don't you others respond to my Que's
My Que's are only for Liberty!
I'm luring him with my Que's
My Que's will help him remember his Spanish.
O qué Señor Libertad?
man not only this cowards used kids as ponds, but even have the face to stay around make noise about it, as if something honourable was done. then they get mad if you called them cowards, pesting people is not going to get them anywhere. why is Lan Chile breaking Argentine law ? There should be a large fine for breaking the law.
Jul 10th, 2010 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0¿qué? ... var(t)gas.. any chance of some english here
Jul 10th, 2010 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gassious I have very little idea what you are attempting to say but as I believe that LAN Chile is in fact Chilean, why does it have to obey Argentine laws?
Jul 10th, 2010 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Otherwise avargas will build some nukes to protect Argentina against chilie's aggressive passinger jets. Those kids are clearly spys and must be destroyed!
Jul 10th, 2010 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0gassy. Queries
Jul 10th, 2010 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“man not only this cowards used kids as ponds, but even have the face to stay around make noise about it, as if something honourable was done. then they get mad if you called them cowards, pesting people is not going to get them anywhere. why is Lan Chile breaking Argentine law ? There should be a large fine for breaking the law.”
Ponds?
Pesting?
gassy is officer crabtree of God Moaning fame
Jul 10th, 2010 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile great friends, brazil ,nuts, Argentina no friends,
Jul 10th, 2010 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0except the sharks
Jelou Guys............
Jul 11th, 2010 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Usefull Info for Debaters:
(Monobaters, just keep reading “The Sun”)
Full 2010 Report on Argentina:
(Square and Fair critic)
http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=22&country=7771&year=2010
Good Critical English E-News about Argentina:
(Written mostly by PomSinArg)
http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=22&country=7771&year=2010
Have a Sunny Sunday
I realy enjoyed the Argentina destroyed by dazzling Germans article
Jul 11th, 2010 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-(
Jul 11th, 2010 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We will always have Polo though....
http://www.worldpolotour.com/ranking.php
the mint?
Jul 11th, 2010 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That too!
Jul 11th, 2010 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just so long as you always have a hole to stick your finger in.
Jul 11th, 2010 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and this is call 21st century directive.
Jul 11th, 2010 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here comes the crunch: how and why does this all matter to the European Union? Well, apart from the fact that the Falkland Islands are populated by British – and therefore European – citizens, whose right to self-determination must be resolutely upheld, British sovereignty is important for three reasons:
Any energy reserves or other natural resources found in the South Atlantic could almost certainly be shipped back to the European Union, reducing our collective dependence on unruly or unstable foreign suppliers (e.g. Russia and the Middle East). Given that North Sea reserves, which were around fifty billion barrels, have powered-up much of the European economy for nearly four decades, the possible sixty billion barrels under the Falklands could keep Europeans going for just as long – and this fact becomes even more important should conflicts break out over key minerals in the future.
The Falklands are geostrategically significant due to their particular location. Just five hundred kilometres from the Strait of Magellan and Drake’s Passage, they give their owner total command over the lower part of the South Atlantic (see map, above). Other than the Panama Canal, these two ‘strategic chokepoints’ are the only direct links between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.
And crucially, given that parts of the Antarctic continent could eventually be uncovered or made more habitable with the onset and acceleration of climate change – revealing potentially enormous mineral wealth – British possession of the Falkland Islands makes any future European territorial claim over parts of the southern hemisphere more likely and legitimate. Equally, the Islands are actually quite large (roughly half the size of Belgium), so could support the infrastructure necessary to support a connexion with any potential European resource extraction facilities in the Antarctic.
So those who dismiss the Falkland Islands as an anachronism are mistaken. The Isla
Easier to give the link, boy!
Jul 12th, 2010 - 02:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://europeangeostrategy.ideasoneurope.eu/2010/03/07/the-falklands-the-european-unions-antarctic-key/
Congratulations!
You discovered Antarctica!!!
ah you look their to,mmmmmmm
Jul 12th, 2010 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your learning
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