Uruguay/Argentina ‘scientific monitoring’ inside pulp mill remains unsolved
Uruguay and Argentina continued on Friday working to reach an agreement for the joint monitoring of the Uruguay River, with the goal of overcoming the long-standing conflict over the Botnia/UPM pulp mill.
However the day was plagued with clashing versions since the 48 hours “reflection period” agreed by both sides last Wednesday was inexorably catching up.
“There are no official comments from the Uruguayan government” said a Uruguayan presidential source. Uruguayan Foreign Affairs Minister Luis Almagro and his Argentine counterpart Héctor Timerman “were in contact” but, according to those sources, they did not meet in the Uruguayan capital as they had planned on Wednesday after a meeting in Buenos Aires City.
However towards mid-day Uruguay’s Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister, Roberto Conde insisted that the political agreement was “closed,” Timerman later replied via his Twitter account that his Ministry “does not know” what Conde was referring to.
The conflicting positions are framed within the feverish negotiations that have been carried out for weeks now by each side in order to close the controversy over the Botnia/UPM pulp mill. “Scientific” details of the Uruguay River monitoring appear as an obstacle, as well as those who would enter the plant for inspection, a Uruguayan radio station reported.
“The agreement is simple: unrestricted access to scientists so they may control Botnia and all the industrial and farming establishments along both coasts of the Uruguay River,” Timerman wrote in his Twitter account.
Conde, on the other hand, explained the understanding implies the control on behalf of scientists in the Fray Bentos plant and in the ventures located in the southern river basin.
“We have decided to open up the conflict to scientific control, and only scientific, to all the industrial and agricultural establishments that are on each coast of the Uruguay River, and in the first place, the Botnia/UPM plant, as well as those installed in the future,” Timerman agreed via Twitter.
“If Uruguay accepts unrestricted access for the scientists’ commission to all industrial plants including Botnia, there’s an agreement”, said Timerman who added that “of course” Argentina will also accept the unrestricted access of scientists from both countries to all plants.
Precisely one of the points lacking definition is who are the scientists to have access to the plant to control its workings from an environmental point of view and to which interests they respond. Not an easy issue to address and agree.
Anyhow the idea is for Presidents Cristina Kirchner and José Mujica to countersign the agreement in early August during the coming Mercosur summit in the province of San Juan.
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Pretty soon 1 month and five days open. (Auckland time)
www.elnuevoherald.com/2010/07/24/771264/concretan-detalles-de-acuerdo.html
Agreement to be signed on Monday
We keep celebrating!!
www.elnorte.fi/archive/2007-1/2007-1_elnorte_pakkasvirta.pdf
Best quote in there:
“all the Argentineans are irrational, undemocratic, and quick-tempered. They do not understand what is happening in the world, they are somehow backward people who cannot follow the way to the
progress and development which made Finland as a rich welfare country”
Kind of sums up your whole country.
Argentina is a dump, starting with the Buenos Aires' Riachuelo, obsolete nuclear plants, deforestation, mining and hundreds of highly polluted industries unchecked.
Mr. Timerman proposal is a joke, they don't listen to their own people, why they're going to deliver “Inspections in both sides of the river” ?
They want UPM to move out of the away and impose argentinean law in a “free country” which it's not anymore; we’re part of their circle of influence.
We ar very focused and work hard everyday to make things better.
And when we need a rest we cross to beautiful little Uruguay for a well-deserved vacation.
1.5 millions of us every year...
And we return... and return...and return...
We love your country and you always make us feel at home.
Thanks
And the estimated 16 billion U$D in real estate urban property own by private Argentinean citizens. (Again, estimated because of lenient and stable tax legislation)
Last but not least the estimated 20% of the productive land acreage of Uruguay own by private Argentinean citizens.
We love everything in beautiful Uruguay and we are totally integrated because we are, as a matter of fact, indistinguishable from each other.
Just look at Forlan’s Argie girl friend.... A little piece of Rioplatense Art........
i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/jangler3/23259_Cobie_Smulders_7_Calabasas_Ma.jpg
I can warmly recomend Posada Buscavidas
www.posadabuscavida.com.ar/laposada_ing.html
If you say that “Think” sends you; I get 10% commission and you get the same good price!
You have the bad habit of evading the subject: “Uruguay/Argentina ‘scientific monitoring’ inside pulp mill remains unsolved
As today our government is telling yours: ”stay outside the plant, we only agreed to monitor the river”. Maybe our leftish administration will surrender our sovereignty tomorrow, who knows. Regarding our banks secrecy and security it's a double fold issue. Many people had lost their money in the past, like in your banks. Putting money in bank accounts and buying property only helps the investor and not the working people looking for a better future. Industries like UPM and similar, offers permanent work and good paying jobs. Please don’t make us any more favors that help only your KIND. Stop suing your neighbors; we don’t need your form of imperialism.
Agreement will be signed on monday
Stop
Mercosur legislation has made it a right for any of us to live and work in each others country.
This is very positive, specially for the estimated 200.000 Uruguayans residing permanently in Argentina.
Your reasoning is correct and logical; UPM is a PRIVATE PLANT on PRIVATE LAND.
The Argentinean demands are unreasonable, taking advantage of the Uruguayan government weakness, lack of courage and using their Southamerica circle of influence. They used the same strategy against the Falklands. They’re being blockaded by the rest of the continent under Argentina’s demands. Again, this government spends time, money and diplomacy to get their way.
The outcome of the Uruguayan- Argentinean conflict is uncertain. UPM could easily say: “take a hike”, “accept the international inspection of the plant” or “sue Uruguay for about 2 billion dollars”. So far UPM is silent, time will tell.
Just been twitted....
No signing on Monday....
Too busy an Agenda.....
Possible new date 03/08/10.
Sory for the inconvenience...
See you at La Rambla....
Chau
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulp_mill_dispute_between_Argentina_and_Uruguay
Have to admit though, if I was Uruguay, I'd tell Argentina they could row over the river and test the output from there.
Argentina is a bully they are known to be strong with the weak and weak with the strong.
Like I said elsewhere, it seems that Uruguay needs a friend. Unfortunately, last time I looked, they refused permission for British aircraft on their way to the Falklands to land.
First you pick your friends, then you have to live with them.
Who invited all those Anglos to our Latino celebration............?
No Problem man..... we Argen-guayos are friendly people.
Everybody is welcome to our “Open Bridge party dudes !
Laugh, you meant argidiots - gayos are both hispanic clowns...
“Sue Uruguay on what grounds?”
If the Uruguayan government forces UPM to let argentinian inspectors in the plant or other inspections that are not agreed during the building and operation period, UPM could refuse. If the Uruguayan government aggressively imposes their will; the company could start legal actions or say: “shove it” and sue.
27 Think:
Once upon a time Argies and Uruguayans had a better understanding. Maybe the 500 thousand “hybrids” that live in your land are afraid that the KK’s and their henchman, Mr. Timerman could ship them back to Uruguay. Already your government is taking reprisal steps toward PLUNA, by cancelling flying permits to Bariloche. The news came out in El Espectador. No my neighbor, I don’t consider argies “party dudes”. We’re at war, so far is an economic one. The outcome is unknown.
en.mercopress.com/2010/06/09/oas-assembly-gives-full-support-to-argentina-s-malvinas-claim
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Evangelina_Carrozzo_Cumbre_12-May-06.jpg
www.cadtm.org/International-Court-of-Justice
www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?p1=3&p2=3&case=135&code=au&p3=4
Alex what it is with you and pirates? was you molested by a chap dressed as a pirate at the lunatic asylum fancy dress party
Argentina is an imperialist country; they sued Uruguay over a paper pulp mill and they lost. Now you government, the Kirchners and Mr. henchman Adolf Timerman want to brake our sovereignty. Insanely demanding to get inside the plant or blockading international bridges and braking commercial ties. Pluna’s flights permits have been cancelled. Why don’t you comment about that argies ?
Think, I haven't been paying attention but today is Tuesday .... how did the signing go?
You could read my post nr (20) you lazy brit.......
“” 20 Think (#)
Jul 25th, 2010 - 03:54 pm
(13) Correction
Just been twitted....
No signing on Monday....
Too busy an Agenda.....
Possible new date 03/08/10.
Sory for the inconvenience...
See you at La Rambla....
Chau “”
Personally I think the announcement will be made personally next week by Cristina and Pepe.
Good political points to be scored there....
How Argentina bullies a Mercosur “partner”.
shame you never did, but like your former masters, you to are losers, lololol
some things to consider when dealing with the lumber industry can be found here.
news.mongabay.com/2010/0708-neme_operation_jurupari.html
Any latin country wants you here, so don't try to make friends cause it doesn't work, we are latinamerican, we have the same historty, the same culture, the same language, we don't need your culture here and the last we want is read the rober's opinion. ;-)
Ok boys ....... end of story.... It's signed... By both presidents :-)
www.clarin.com/politica/Cristina-Mujica-destrabar-monitoreo-Botnia_0_306569544.html
And please... nobody here is trying to use english, in Latin america we don't like and don't want your culture and your unspeakable jargon. Also we don't like the thieves and killers from UK, so please go home british pirate.
Argentina and any latinamerican country has a longer history than your son US, so don't be uncultivated and go to read some books, go out of the bubble and that little english world were you live.
Regards.
Still, could be arranged I suppose!
In the meantime, how many OF YOUR OWN PEOPLE has your precious windbag govt killed?
Remember what nanny mc Fee said,about the falklands
when they need us but dont want us [we will stay]
when they want us, but no longer need us,[ we must go]
and for peace, for everyone, all we want is to be friendly,
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