Argentine to increase budget defence 50%, recovering losses of Falklands war
Defence minister Nilda Garré said the Argentine government would increase the defence budget in coming years from 0.9% to 1.5% of GDP to help overcome decades of divestment following the defeat in the (1982) Falklands/Malvinas war.
The extracts of her words are from a conference followed by a period of questions and answers with political science students at the Di Tella University.
Garré said that the contraction of the defence budget can be tracked to the “defeat in the Falklands/Malvinas war, social incompatibility with the military institutions following the war, military dictatorship and the 2001 collapse of the Argentine economy”.
The minister said these factors “most probably impeded a quicker recovery” of military spending that will be used in future budgets to improve military hardware, particularly with the development of a defence industry.
“The current 0.5% of GDP, will be sustainedly increased in coming years to reach 1.5% of GDP: in other words a 50% increase to modernize equipment particularly appealing to the development of a national defence industry”, pointed out Garré.
The minister also said Argentina will continue to be committed to world peace operations and emphasized the “excellent performance” of Argentine troops in Haiti and Cyprus, where they have been congratulated by United Nations.
Garré anticipated that Argentina is ready to begin applying “nuclear technology” in defence issues since it has rigorously complied with international rules against the proliferation of this kind of energy.
“Foreign Affairs, the Argentine Atomic Energy Commission and regulators have fully agreed to work in the development of nuclear propulsion engines which could be used in vessels or submersibles”, indicated Garré.
With this purpose the Atomic Energy commission has created a task force to work with the Ministry of Defence to begin outlining the project.
Regarding regional affairs the Minister of Defence said that Unasur (Union of South American Nations) has managed the creation of “a peace zone” where “substantially stability exists” although admitting “some local conflicts must still be resolved”.
More specifically on the South American Defence Council, in the framework of Unasur, “it has been successful in several of these conflicts, actively working in the case of Colombia and Venezuela and the border incursion of Colombian troops into Ecuador”.-
Finally she pointed out that Unasur must help in preserving the rich mineral resources of the region.
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She is Defense Minister, what else can she say...
One positive thing is the advanced plan to close some of the most recalcitrant “Military Academies”
One less positive is that in order to comply with UNASUR regional plans, we have to contribute with some “uniforms”
C'est la vie
Will people realise that 50% of nothing is still nothing. Why didn't she spell it out in terms of total capital expenditure as the technology she is alluding requires a level of actual capital investment and not a % increase.
If you trust all of the promises made by any given politician in an election year then someone must have removed your brain and replaced it with a turnip.
Hope somebody can lobby “her entourage” to drop the “Nuclear Engine Plan” and go for full cooperation with Brazil about developing and improving LCMCM / SMACM / LOCAAS defense technologies.
Those“ fighter pilots” could then get an honest, well paid job in civil aviation and many of the old brass could be shown what they truly deserve . ........................... The door :-)
Sound like she is playing the nuclear card to give an impression of stength. Anyone with haklf a brain and the ability to read can read through this and the 50% increase. If i have a £1 and make 50% then I have £1.50; woopy do.
Much prefer the 350% I have made on RKH.
2010 GDP U$S300Kmill 0,5%= U$S1,5kmill
2020 GDP U$S450kmill (pesimistic estimates) 1,5%= U$S6,75kmill
2020 GDP U$S 600kmill (optimistic estimates) 1,5%= u$s9kmill
0.9% as it was before, gave your military a budget of 2.5billion a year. An extra 50% would give the military 1.25 billion more a year. 3.75 billion.
You say:
“Much prefer the 350% I have made on RKH.”
I say:
1) Why did you sell your RKH shares?.......... I tought you were in for the “Long Term”.............. Are you de-risking :-)
2) If you didn' sell your RKH shares then.............. Don't count your chickens before they're hatched. :-)
Your GDP is not going to double in 10 years. 20% Rise in GDP a year?...lol
For Argentina, in actual path, is not imposible to reach 600billon GDP in 2020. Perhaps a more conservative number is 480-540billon; but who knows; god is not writing in this forum.
Considering the way the IIs have hoovered up RKH shares then the chicks are starting to peck at the shell.
I could end up with egg on my face but I have done before and will get over it if it happens.
Those “brave pilots” didn´t see themselves as Galtieri´s pawns, but as pros doing their patriotic job.
As Lord Craig put it “Six better fuses and we would have lost” With old planes except 5 new ones, almost sunked a Fleet.
Do you know how the bombs reached the ships?
Why those pilots fought until been killed?
Warmongering as Galtieri did, and as the British has made worldwide for 500 or more years, are crimes and criminals.
Surely not the soldiers.
I deeply disagree with your approach.
hubpages.com/hub/British-American-Relations-Is-Obama-Anti-British
“Generally, my grandson has never believed the British do anything for a common good, rather than their selfish interests.”
Your silly nation can't even pay off the debt and clowns like you think about creating/building something you don't even have the capabilities nor funds for..Laugh. Proves why Argies are che idiots.
No se rinden, las hormiguitas...............
www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-132846-2009-10-03.html
You “infer” a lot from a pair of quotation marks on the words “fighter pilots”......
I was refering to the new generation.
The Malvinas veteran pilots are mostly in their late 50's, early 60's and not flying any more.
But
You infer quite correctly about my basic opinion of many of the professional officer pilots that fighted in Malvinas.
“Make believe” heroes with a “peak of bravery” in the autum of 82 that does not redeem their previous actions and crimes...........................
Néstor Santiago Barrios (Vdlm/Malvinas)
Enrique Carlos Isola (Vdlm/Malvinas)
Ernesto Proni Leston (Vdlm/Malvinas)
Emir Sisul Hess (Vdlm)
Julio Alberto Poch (Vdlm)
The above is the product of just 5 minutes googleing.................They are surely many more.
Que dios se apiade de sus almas.
19 Pheel, thank you for what you said about our pilots
7 Think, go f--k yourself
Eventually you will grow older and wiser...........
I hope :-)
Our Special forces use MI-8/MI-17 helicopters.
Seem that majority of Armed Forces weren´t involved in the Dirty War.
Most of the Malvinas War pilots weren´t.
I don´t indulgence torturers. I expressed my rejection to that methods when they still had all the political power during the Proceso.
The responsibles have to pay.
Most of Armed Forces members neither tortured nor murdered.
Also, I don´t indulgence terrorists that declare “long popular war” against the democratic regime 1973-1975.
But can understand many of the former guerrilla members, if they are enough smart to have some kind of self-criticism for having aim with guns and bombs our society. “Older and wiser...”
If they still believe that they can take everybody as hostage of their theories and alignments, sorry, we will have a nasty future...again. Perhaps they will win, but what a hell this country will be.
I would liked to see the Gral. Rattenbach Report implemented, with Galtieri, Menéndez and the others chiefs de-graded and eventually executed by military Justice in war times.
Long life to those professionals who attacked the Fleet knowing that it was an unnecessary, ill-designed, ill-managed, irresponsible and unprepared war. Knowing that not always your country has done the things well but you still have to defend him with all your intelligence and all your heart.
Every jet pilot in the world praised them.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/5849377/RAF-helicopter-built-using-half-of-chinook-captured-in-Falklands.html
'It's penny pinching and an insult to the young men who are going to Afghanistan and risking and losing their lives'.
I don't know how much it costs to make the bomb; I don't know either whether Argentina has the funds to produce one. But it has the technological capability and the know-how. It is widely recognized as a nuclear threshold state, a position it achieved even prior to the 90s, I believe.
Using parts from one heli to the next is common practice all around the world.
“The Navy also took part in all military coups through the 20th century. During the last dictatorship, Navy personnel were involved in the Dirty War in the late 1970s in which thousands of people were kidnapped, tortured and killed by the forces of the Military Junta. The Naval Mechanics School, known as ESMA, was a notorious centre used for torture. Amongst their more well-known victims were the Swedish teenage Dagmar Hagelin and French nuns, Alice Domon and Léonie Duquet.”
Unquote
As for our helicopters, try these:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdWiV5T7gio
you don´t accuse the Paras Battalions, or the whole Army, for Bloody Sunday massacre. Take a look over the behaviour patterns and dialogues of the main actors...nothing uncommon inside your forces. Trying not to discuss that “the governing establishment” took 28 years for affirming the truth.
BTW, 90% of the Argentina pilots were from the Air Force, not from the Navy and had no responsabilities in the Dirty War. Those that nest 13 bombs in the Fleet ship, attacking in close range against the 42 and 22-type defences.
About the ESMA torturers, must be rejected as any torturer and murderer. From our Navy, or from CIA around Europe all these years including many british citizens. To be consistent, d you know?
in order to improve my english as a foreign language: “it´s best” or “its best”? Thank you for the help.
Of course, the officers that didn't commit crimes against their fellow citizens and served our country in Malvinas deserve respect....even from me......
But there were too many rotten apples in that little barrel................ Too many........
When one of these officers is recognized and accused by his victims, due procces must take place.
(35) Fernando_A
I have “lost my nerve” more than once during my life, but my identity as South-American and Argentinean has never failed me.
At (23) I mention the names of five pilots that participated in “los vuelos de la muerte”; three of then also served in Malvinas.
No insults, just juridical history.
These people don't need a boy like you to defend their honour by putting a bullet through this “old fart's ” head.
There is no honour to defend.............
That juridical history allows to put most of the pilots of Malvinas, I feel ALL the attack pilots (didn´t check the data, sorry, just intuition) at the right side of our history.
Prejudices against a certain part of our society should be treated aside, I feel, as we all have prejudices but make an effort preferring for being tolerant. Just a pheeling that I pheel very deeply as I too have accounts to claim.
With the respect of always,
Pheel
Nicholas retard, we have money to pay our debt, we are doing it. Concentrate to save your own s****y nation which is going down every day. LOL
You haven't paid of your debt, you defaulted on it. When you have paid any debt of it is not the whole debt you have borrow only a percentage, and your creditors are given the choice to either accept less money than they are owed or none at all.
How is this paying your debt?
43 jorge: I understand INVAP will provide the nuclear reactor CAREM to be used in a new TR-1700 class submarine, being assembled at the Argentine Naval Industrial Complex, CINAR. There was a note here on MercoPress
en.mercopress.com/2010/06/04/argentina-planning-to-develop-nuclear-powered-vessels-for-the-navy
It's important that this project be carried out successfully, not just as an asset for the Argentine Navy but in order to demonstrate the CAREM's capabilities and expand the nation's export capacity.
www.invap.net/index-e.php
One particular project I'm interested in is the Gradicom PCX missile booster: en.mercopress.com/2009/12/18/argentina-successfully-tests-locally-designed-and-manufactured-missile-boos (I see several “experts” have lined up to testify against its success)
The Exocet missile served us well but, too expensive and CLEARLY the French cannot be trusted. I consider the Gradicom program to be just as important as the nuclear program.
Vamos carajo ツ
About bombers and cold blooded murderers…………
Please. if you or anybody that” pheels” like you, can prove anything against those” bombers and cold blooded murderers”, feel free to denounce them to our justice.
Those I can remember are quite death or have served their time…..
All other”talk” is just a justificatory smoke screen……The whole idea seems to be to create a ”Catch 22” situation:
If you did somehow participate:... Shut up you brainwashed criminal communist….. We have to move forward and turn this page.
If you didn’t participate at all:…Shut up, you didn’t’ have the guts to do the necessary….. We have to move forward and turn this page.
I, personally, will turn this page…… when I’m done reading it.
As we speak, the Kirchners are being ”mocked” by Clarin and La Nacion ”questioning their motivations and right” of taking a proactive stand on human rights because they were not ”subversive enough” in the seventies !!!
Pero por favor………..
Defendnaly need some new weapons to go with the new ships, some anti ship and anti air missiles, MK 15 Phalanx is a very good close in weapon for ship defence, cheap too.
I don´t have proofs against cold blooded murderers and bombers as I was a teenager then, but nobody needs more evidence about the “long popular war” (sic) that Montoneros launched against 73-75 government, or the innocents murdered in several bombings. Perhaps the evidence is not been used but could be. Personally, I prefer to turn the page and look forward. Not for absence of evidence.
Can you assure that every murderer of that time has been in trial? Obviously not.
So, what are we talking about? Just eternal trial for military because you hate them? Make a continue revenge on new generations which obbey and are aligned with our democratic regime?
Sorry, I can understand your past, but it´s very difficult to share your present point of view.
I have to confess that I'd feel happier about Phalanx if it were IFF compatible. It would be a bit embarrasing if what it thought was a hostile missile attack actually turned out to be a friendly helecopter flying the mail in...
A link that represents 100% my position about our recent past:
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teor%C3%ADa_de_los_dos_demonios
About the present and future of the Argentinean Armed Forces: (my pragmatic position)
I don’t need eternal trials or revenge…………..
What I need is that the new “Uniforms” sincerely realize that the “Old Cadre” did not, in any possible way, symbolize, represent or protect the “Christian Occidental Civilization”.
About the present and future of the Argentinean Armed Forces: (my cuasi-utopian position)
Development of a common, regional defense industry with technologies similar as those described in (7) and integration of our armed forces into UNASUR, copying the basic principles of the NATO model.
Saludos a las vaquitas….
Also, I'm loving the love between Argentines and Brits about when an apostrophe is the right thing to use. It's (note the proper use of!) a small beginning, but a beginning nonetheless!
Not surprisingly, I have a lot of friends and authors from the orgas that understand this point better than me.
pd: enough for me, you can put the last word on the issue.
The last words on post (35)..... Are just a tipical argentinean “term of endearment”.....Easy for foreigners to misunderstand....... Like “Bastard” in Oz .......you know? :-)
(53) Pheel
Your last words are more than adequate to close.....
Have a nice evening...
I know that, because of relatively recent history, there tends to be a polarising of opinion in Argentina, but, wherever you are in the world, a “bullet in the head” is not that easy to misunderstand! Ho hum!
Right, back on to topic...there was a report not so many days ago about how the USA was praising Latin America for spending so little on defence/military material (as a percentage of GDP), so what happened?
Not easy when his quasi-spelling isn't quite there!
To my eternal regret (and I'm just about to do it again, so “stupid me” again!), of all the Argentine-position-posters here, at least Think is (relatively) polite, quasi-understandable and sometimes funny. Like gassy, but for different reasons, I like to look for his posts. At least a few of his posts exercise one's (not too sure of the correct use of here!) mind somewhat! I say keep Think alive and down with Fernando_A! Who's (definitely right use of the apostrophe) with me?!!!!!
You can laugh with him, Gassy is someone to be laughed at.
Nevertheless, Think, take a bow - we all luv ya!
You ask:
USA was praising Latin America for spending so little on defence/military material (as a percentage of GDP), so what happened?
I say:
Please read my Nr. (1) in this thread.............
That really is impressive, I'll give you that
Therefore, you = Turnip! Find a bit of soil, and bury your head in it!
As for your post at 62:
What the hell are you on about? your command of the english language gives the impression that you are an intelligent person, yet your comments are idiotic.
I did not point out the correct use of apostrophes to peel, if you read it again you'll realise that i got my english wrong and he asked me what the correct use was, and i told him, as was his request. I certanly did not insult him in any way or act like i was above him.
So, who was the other person who was correcting peoples apostrophes in order to feel above people?
Im sorry, perhaps i did not understand this post? can you explain it please? is there some kind of hidden joke that i am not aware of? or have you just said something really stupid and don't want to admit it?
Let me read every single post on every single topic, ok? just sit there and wait I'll get back to you
Im hardly sensitive , im just giving you facts. You was the one earlier threatening to shoot a fellow countryman, do you often throw stones from your glass house?
Can´t believe the fuss from the apostrophe issue.
I confess that first ask you with irony cos here we have some brits very very sensitive to any of our smaller mistakes.
As you answered with goodwill, I had to make the same, I would feel as an asshole if not.
I find learning to speak another language much ealier than trying to write another language.
Oh wait, that didn't happen.
Do you even have anything substantial without backing out of it the next post, when you realise that the facts are against you?
Sometimes you need to know when to stop.
take a look on your posts...and stay quiet.
Off. And shut up!!!!!!!
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/25/falklands-britains-expensive-nuisance
That war is unlikely to be repeated. But this cannot allow us to ignore its causes. Distant colonies are a post-imperial anachronism. Britain will have to negotiate with Argentina because the world, either at the UN or at The Hague, will insist on it. The government and media can bury their heads in the sand, but that will not make the Falklands dispute go away or atone for the dead of the silliest of wars a quarter century ago.
I believe that, even in Britain, Jenkins was told to get lost.
In 1982, Britain accounted for 100 Argentine fixed and rotary wing aircraft. And so far Argentina has bought, what.....? 2 helicopters. Going to have to go some!!
I believe the first big purchase was 34 new monopulse and 6 3D radars from INVAP to monitor Argentine air-space.
No official word yet on replacements for the old Mirage III and SuperEtendard, supposedly a lot of Mirage 2000 as a temporary measure until the budged is big enough to purchase newer equipment.
There was a recent upgrade done to our older jets, avionics and armament, but as far as new jets for the FAA.. no, not a damn thing.
they come in very handy in air/sea rescue, but dont go over the top and buy silly war birds , or they may get culled ??
I understand the Argentine coast guard and Navy also uses Sea Kin, Super Puma, Eurocopter Dauphin and such helicopters, I don't know enough bout these to comment.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Justin_A_Kuntz
Ring any bells Marco?
Argentine Antarctica: Delimited by the 25° West and 74° West meridians and the 60° South parallel.
Number of permanent bases: 6
Number of seasonal bases: 12
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Antarctica
José María Sobral was the first Argentine to set foot on Antarctica in 1901, where he spent 2 seasons with the Swedish Antarctic Expedition of Doctor Otto Nordenskiöld. Shortly afterwards, in 1904, the Orcadas permanent base was already fully operational.
British Antarctica: Delimited by the 20° West and 80° West meridians and the 60° South parallel.
Number of permanent bases: 2
Number of seasonal bases: 4
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Antarctic_Territory
The Territory was formed on 3 March 1962, although the UK's claim to this portion of the Antarctic dates back to Letters Patent of 1908 and 1917.
Chilean Antarctica: Delimited by the 53° West and 90° West meridians and the 60° South parallel.
Number of permanent bases: 1
Number of seasonal bases: 3
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilean_Antarctic_Territory
The only permanent Chilean station on the Antarctic mainland (Antarctic Peninsula), O'Higgins Station has been in operation since February 18, 1948. No official data on initial claims.
Argentina is right on top of its Antarctic sector, Chile can make no claims as their activities started way later than Argentina's but if they moved a little bit to the left no one would bother to question them. The UK however, no right at all to claim the exact same sector claimed by Argentina.
Thankfully military presence and oil explorations are banned in the Antarctic.
1. Britain was there first. Exploring. Britain's claim dates from 1908.
2. In 1904, Britain gave Argentina its first base.
3. Chile and Argentina made no claims until 1940 and 1942 respectively.
It would seem that a couple of South American territories are greedy little beggars and claimed someone else's territory. One of them at least has a history of stealing or trying to steal other people's land.
History of stealing other´s people land?
Despite your awful manners, please don´t invoke old demons that could play against your point.
Almost all the world could argue against your imperial past horrors. And many against the present ones.
And learn some history, please!!! Try from international books in order not to be influenced by The Sun and other “bruttish” sources.
Pleased to allow you to cross our country any foggy day,
Pheel
An entire history of stealing other people's land. Or would you like to deny that Spain stole the lands of indigenous people throughout South America.
You are in no position to speak about or criticise manners.
Perhaps you could clarify your position on the French Empire, the German Empire, the Portuguese Empire and the Spanish Empire.
And I always get my history from international sources. Not mendacious, government-inspired Argentine ones.
As for crossing your “country” on a foggy day. I subsequently found out that you were in no position to refuse. Firstly, because it is a matter of international law and secondly, because you have insufficient radar coverage to tell when much of your “country” is overflown.
Most nations do not recognise any national claims to Antarctica. But if you must go on about it, out of the 7 nations who claim the continent, Britain, France, Norway, New Zealand and Australia, all recognise each other's claims, while no nation will recognise either Argentina's or Chile's claim.
96 Typhoon: José María Sobral was the first Argentine to set foot on Antarctica in 1901, where he spent 2 seasons with the Swedish Antarctic Expedition of Doctor Otto Nordenskiöld. Shortly afterwards, in 1904, the Orcadas permanent base was already fully operational. Argentina was the only nation to have an Antarctic base for 40 years until the British built a base on the same islands.
The Antarctic peninsula is geologically and geographically part of the Andes.
Argentina has maintained a permanent occupation for more than a century, and controls the oldest base in Antarctica (Orcadas Station on Laurie Island).
Argentina conducts many rescue missions in Antarctica.
Argentina has constructed lighthouses and other navigational aids in Antarctica.
Argentina constructed Antarctica's first airport in 1969
Argentines form more of Antarctica's peninsula's population than nationals of any other country.
The first Antarctican was born in Esperanza Base (Hope Base), namely Emilio Palma.
Argentina has sent more people to Antarctica than all the other countries together.
We have more rights in Antarctica (and the South Atlantic) than anyone else in the world.
www.wsws.org/articles/2003/feb2003/arge-f22.shtml
and the west is prepared for this, but is the south Americans,. and also i think that china and the usa and others will start to look south,
gladly most of us will not be around when this may well happen, in the meantime enjoy the view while you can ????
As to the rest, mmmm. No, I don't think any of that qualifies in International Law, seeing as you had little of that before the Antarctic Treaty System,
Article 4 – the treaty does not recognize, dispute, nor establish territorial sovereignty claims; no new claims shall be asserted while the treaty is in force;
I hope that the treaty stays, so that all nations can research there.
But about your claim's. Your “first base” was like justing said, built upon an old british one.
And as for having the highest population there, not quite correct. in 2009(Dec-Feb) you had 600 people there in the summer, the US had over 1200. June-August, you had 170, the US had over 330.
104 briton: basically what you said was “just wait, we'll take it by force” (no surprise there either)
106 Zethee: read reply to 104 briton
105 JustinKuntz: A meteorological station, was this a permanent base? There have been many expeditions much earlier than the date you mentioned, but no permanent bases before that of Argentina's.
“In November 1903 Scotia retreated to Buenos Aires for repair and reprovisioning. While in Argentina, Bruce negotiated an agreement with the government whereby Omond House became a permanent weather station, under Argentinian control. Renamed Orcadas Base, the site has been continuously in operation since then.”
They had no legal rights to build or claim anything there, reason why they had to negotiate with the Argentine government. It wasn't until Argentina assumed control of the base that it became permanent.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Speirs_Bruce#First_voyages
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_National_Antarctic_Expedition#Buenos_Aires.2C_1903.E2.80.9304
The Antarctic Treaty states that contracting to the treaty:
* is not a renunciation of any previous territorial claim.
* does not affect the basis of claims made as a result of activities of the signatory nation within Antarctica.
* does not affect the rights of a State under customary international law to recognise (or refuse to recognise) any other territorial claim.
What the treaty does affect are new claims:
* No activities occurring after 1961 can be the basis of a territorial claim.
* No new claim can be made.
* No claim can be enlarged.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Antarctic_territorial_claims
You did not check your facts before you replied, obviously.
I note also that in 1947, 1948, 1951 Argentina didn't have the balls to submit any claim to jurisdiction at the ICJ, and refused to accept any judgement when Britain unilaterally referred it in 1955.
“They had no legal rights to build or claim anything there, reason why they had to negotiate with the Argentine government”
Which is utter claptrap, Argentina bought the Scottish station, it wasn't negotiation with Argentina. Really please do try harder.
I merely pointed out that the majority of what you claim happened after 1961. Quibble all you like, that is the case. The rathere huge clue was “seeing as you had little of that before the Antarctic Treaty System”
For more informed reading:
www.south-pole.com/p0000093.htm
Oh and Zethee's comments were not a threat in anyway, merely an expression of the possibility of war over resources should the treaty system collapse. I doubt very much the UK would do much in that respect as it been instrumental in promoting peaceful research.
Funnily enough the only person making strident nationalist claims is yourself, I merely pointed out the holes in them.
Bruce had to persuade the government of Argentina to allow his expedition to continue its studies there. And?
Why would we accept judgment as the result of anything Britain's ever done or said? haha..
I'd be more than willing to share Antarctica with Chile, they're just as close as we are. Britain however, what a laugh.. all your claims are ludicrous, all of them.
Forums, havens for last-word freaks like you guys.
And nothing, you claimed one thing, it was simple demosntrated to be nonsense.
“Forums, havens for last-word freaks like you guys.”
Isn't that you were doing? Ciao.
“All that's left of that marriage is the question of how to divide the spoils of power,” says Walger.“
”Walger's unflattering portrayal of Nestor Kirchner will thrill political opponents, who regard with horror his prospect of winning a second term in next year's elections. He is described in the book as “mean, petty, vengeful and envious”.
“One reason she goes on so many foreign trips, says Walger, is to scout for mansions for the couple's eventual retirement.”
“The Kirchners have certainly prospered. The 600% growth in their personal fortune, to almost 12 million USD, since 2003 has prompted allegations of corruption since their combined annual income as President and former president is only $157,000. Opposition leaders have accused the couple of using inside information to engage in currency speculation.
The Kirchners own a luxury hotel and other businesses in the Patagonian resort of El Calafate and, according to Walger, a former Peronist militant, they also have 19 houses and 14 flats.”
Oh what fun it is when the truth starts to come out.
We can now start to look for a more stable Argentine government who will be honest with its people and not make claims about territories outside its borders in order to divert the population's attention.
“According to Buckingham Palace's own financial reports, the Royal Train costs approximately £500K a year to maintain before it even turns a wheel. An obscene extravagance.”
Bored on board?
The most eyebrow-raising entertainment option is Extreme Maniacs, cert 15, which appears to have come free with a copy of Bizarre – a gore and fetish sex magazine
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/sep/06/prince-charles-green-train-campaign
Will the Falkland Islands increase its defence budget 500%?
It would explain the obsession with spam.
#118 I was under the impretion that it was Homosexuality the inability to come to terms with your own sex, not homophobia, in any case doesn't homophobia means fear of homos or fear of becoming homosexual ??
And 120, i agree. the place should be left as it is now, free for people from all over the world to conduct science.
As I understand it Chile and Argentina issued a joint statement last year rejecting British claims over Antarctic territory. A UN decision was expected in May of this year, UN being the ineffectual piece of garbage that it is probably suspended it because I can't find any articles on its decision.
news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Antarctic-Territory-Claims-Argentina-And-Chile-Join-Forces-Against-British-Claim-On-Region/Article/200903115236672
Nothing will happen, sorry to disappoint you.
I think you'll aslo find were you to consult an expert in International Law, the Argentine claim to Antarctica isn't worth the paper its written on.
But as I said with the Antarctic Treaty System in place it matters not. So you cheat beating macho crap is actually meaningless.
I see gassy in in support of the military budget, as he is in favour of nuclear weapons for his country. Dangerous to let nasty weapons into the hands of the criminally psychotic. Pre-emptive strike?
And gorge thinks they are paying their debt. Joke. They keep on negotiating how to pay as little as possible. Like paying 5 pence in the £.
F_A is, of course, a pillock. If the UN were stupid enough to agree claims made 32 and 34 years after the British claim, it would relinquish all credibility. If it relinquishes credibility, the world will be at war within months.
Justin A Kuntz, buy yourself a decent map and you will how stupid you are with your non sense claims.
Frankly I'm ok with everything the UK is doing, it's just gonna backfire and I'll laugh twice as hard.
..wankers
'The return of the Parthenon Marbles from a British Museum to Greece is a matter of national honor!”
Everybody is asking britain to return something they stole in the past.
This is a good article, written with someone with enough sense to see things for what they are.
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/25/falklands-sovereignty-argentina-britain
In all honesty we couldn't care less what you think, as long as the islanders wish to stay a part of the UK they will be under our protection.
They aren't going to move from there home, and we aren't about to force them into your nation when the entire population wants to do neither.
They wouldn't exist now if they hadn't been brought to the UK, they're better preserved than the fragments that you can still see in Athens which have been ruined by traffic pollution.
Note that the marbles were bought not stolen. If you want to see them, they're in the British Museum where anyone can see them for free.
Equally Gott, please do some background research for one before lauding the guy. And have a read of some of the replies on that article. If you want to quote some left wing misanthrope with a hard on for the Kirchner's, don't pretend its either objective or representative.
Perhaps I should simply quote Carlos Escude, who states the Argentine claim has no basis.
And to the resident Abba fan, the link to UNCLOS was posted above. I can post a link to an expert opinion by an academic if you really like.
do you realy belive the argentinians would look after the islands and the people,
124 JustinKuntz (#) and everyone else,
It's jurisdiction over the continental shelf which is being extended from 200nmi to 350nmi (provided there is a continental shelf that extends that far and it doesn't clash with an adjacent or opposite continental shelf), not jurisdiction over the EEZ. The EEZ will remain the same at 200nmi. The waters above those extra nmi of continental shelf will remain international waters.
129 Fernando_A (#)
Bit rich considering Argentina has put in a continental shelf extension claim for Antarctica, whereas the UK hasn't And claims an EEZ/Continental shelf for the Shag rocks even though under article 121(3) of UNCLOS : Rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf. This distinction is important because the Falklands and South Georgia are more than 700 miles apart and therefore their 350 nmi continental shelf jurisdictions would not join.
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