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Argentine to increase budget defence 50%, recovering losses of Falklands war
Defence minister Nilda Garré said the Argentine government would increase the defence budget in coming years from 0.9% to 1.5% of GDP to help overcome decades of divestment following the defeat in the (1982) Falklands/Malvinas war. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesElection year talk....
Sep 01st, 2010 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0She is Defense Minister, what else can she say...
One positive thing is the advanced plan to close some of the most recalcitrant “Military Academies”
One less positive is that in order to comply with UNASUR regional plans, we have to contribute with some “uniforms”
C'est la vie
You are right with the election talk Think.
Sep 01st, 2010 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Will people realise that 50% of nothing is still nothing. Why didn't she spell it out in terms of total capital expenditure as the technology she is alluding requires a level of actual capital investment and not a % increase.
Finally, something that appears to transcend all nations:
Sep 01st, 2010 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you trust all of the promises made by any given politician in an election year then someone must have removed your brain and replaced it with a turnip.
They have to do something, I think there are only 4 fighter jets that are combat ready. Plus they can't afford the fuel to practice and fighters are not much good if they don't have experience flying.
Sep 01st, 2010 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aye it's about time argentina showed it's forces some love.
Sep 01st, 2010 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe they'd like to buy Sir Percivale at a knock down price?
Sep 01st, 2010 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Military spending will be used in future budgets to improve military hardware, particularly with the development of a defence industry.”
Sep 01st, 2010 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hope somebody can lobby “her entourage” to drop the “Nuclear Engine Plan” and go for full cooperation with Brazil about developing and improving LCMCM / SMACM / LOCAAS defense technologies.
Those“ fighter pilots” could then get an honest, well paid job in civil aviation and many of the old brass could be shown what they truly deserve . ........................... The door :-)
Think has a point, there are much cheaper versions of subs available now days which don't require the expense of nuclear engines. Whatever the plans involve should focus on building in argentina rather than buying from other nations, more jobs for Argentinians that way.
Sep 01st, 2010 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also of note that the report appeared to indicate nuclear powered surface vessels. These are a thing of the past - France and Russia have some of these but to the best of my knowlegde will not be replacing with like for like. Most modern surface vessels use Gas Turbine engines which are far superior for surface ships.
Sep 01st, 2010 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sound like she is playing the nuclear card to give an impression of stength. Anyone with haklf a brain and the ability to read can read through this and the 50% increase. If i have a £1 and make 50% then I have £1.50; woopy do.
Much prefer the 350% I have made on RKH.
That 50% number is wrong.
Sep 01st, 2010 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 02010 GDP U$S300Kmill 0,5%= U$S1,5kmill
2020 GDP U$S450kmill (pesimistic estimates) 1,5%= U$S6,75kmill
2020 GDP U$S 600kmill (optimistic estimates) 1,5%= u$s9kmill
Billy, the 2010 estimate for Argentina's GDP is 344 billion. Not 600.
Sep 01st, 2010 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 00.9% as it was before, gave your military a budget of 2.5billion a year. An extra 50% would give the military 1.25 billion more a year. 3.75 billion.
Please, look again to my numbers; I´m talking about 2020 GDP estimates and not 2010, and about that 1,5% GDP spending that Garre announced for the coming years.
Sep 01st, 2010 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(9) Beef
Sep 01st, 2010 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“Much prefer the 350% I have made on RKH.”
I say:
1) Why did you sell your RKH shares?.......... I tought you were in for the “Long Term”.............. Are you de-risking :-)
2) If you didn' sell your RKH shares then.............. Don't count your chickens before they're hatched. :-)
Finally ! what about a nuclear defence program ?? like the one in Israel, Pakistan and India, Argentina has way better track record then most of this countries, we should aim for a nuclear defence program to ward off the occupation of our land, nobody should have a preferential treatment in America be it white or black, people in Malvinas should be treated like USA treats Mexican's at the border, we should move away from the racist ways forced on us.
Sep 01st, 2010 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 012 Billy Hayes.
Sep 01st, 2010 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your GDP is not going to double in 10 years. 20% Rise in GDP a year?...lol
My friend; to double a GDP in 10 years you need a 7-8% growth a year; do your homework.
Sep 01st, 2010 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For Argentina, in actual path, is not imposible to reach 600billon GDP in 2020. Perhaps a more conservative number is 480-540billon; but who knows; god is not writing in this forum.
I agree that 480 is a more likely estimate.
Sep 01st, 2010 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think. Still hold my RKH holding so what I have is a paper profit. No need to sell these babies as the COS for the flow test is very positive. Happy to see the sp double before too long. I am already de-risked across my FI oil expo holdings.
Sep 01st, 2010 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Considering the way the IIs have hoovered up RKH shares then the chicks are starting to peck at the shell.
I could end up with egg on my face but I have done before and will get over it if it happens.
7 Think
Sep 01st, 2010 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Those “brave pilots” didn´t see themselves as Galtieri´s pawns, but as pros doing their patriotic job.
As Lord Craig put it “Six better fuses and we would have lost” With old planes except 5 new ones, almost sunked a Fleet.
Do you know how the bombs reached the ships?
Why those pilots fought until been killed?
Warmongering as Galtieri did, and as the British has made worldwide for 500 or more years, are crimes and criminals.
Surely not the soldiers.
I deeply disagree with your approach.
The End Of Anglo-American Relations?
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://hubpages.com/hub/British-American-Relations-Is-Obama-Anti-British
“Generally, my grandson has never believed the British do anything for a common good, rather than their selfish interests.”
”what about a nuclear defence program ?? ”
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your silly nation can't even pay off the debt and clowns like you think about creating/building something you don't even have the capabilities nor funds for..Laugh. Proves why Argies are che idiots.
Marco is clearly an environmental warrior. He is even recycling his posts and links. Marco, unless you have something relevant and unique to say then stop showing the world that you have the intellectual capacity of a pigeon.
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0(19) Pheel
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0No se rinden, las hormiguitas...............
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-132846-2009-10-03.html
You “infer” a lot from a pair of quotation marks on the words “fighter pilots”......
I was refering to the new generation.
The Malvinas veteran pilots are mostly in their late 50's, early 60's and not flying any more.
But
You infer quite correctly about my basic opinion of many of the professional officer pilots that fighted in Malvinas.
“Make believe” heroes with a “peak of bravery” in the autum of 82 that does not redeem their previous actions and crimes...........................
Néstor Santiago Barrios (Vdlm/Malvinas)
Enrique Carlos Isola (Vdlm/Malvinas)
Ernesto Proni Leston (Vdlm/Malvinas)
Emir Sisul Hess (Vdlm)
Julio Alberto Poch (Vdlm)
The above is the product of just 5 minutes googleing.................They are surely many more.
Que dios se apiade de sus almas.
You guys can really talk some shit
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 019 Pheel, thank you for what you said about our pilots
7 Think, go f--k yourself
(24)Fernando_A
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Eventually you will grow older and wiser...........
I hope :-)
See Argentina has already spent the year's defence budget. Two Russian helicopters. Also bought by Thailand. Because they are cheap.
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Harrier, MI-17 helicopters might be cheap but they are a good peice of kit, used by 60 nations.
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Our Special forces use MI-8/MI-17 helicopters.
23 & 25 Think
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seem that majority of Armed Forces weren´t involved in the Dirty War.
Most of the Malvinas War pilots weren´t.
I don´t indulgence torturers. I expressed my rejection to that methods when they still had all the political power during the Proceso.
The responsibles have to pay.
Most of Armed Forces members neither tortured nor murdered.
Also, I don´t indulgence terrorists that declare “long popular war” against the democratic regime 1973-1975.
But can understand many of the former guerrilla members, if they are enough smart to have some kind of self-criticism for having aim with guns and bombs our society. “Older and wiser...”
If they still believe that they can take everybody as hostage of their theories and alignments, sorry, we will have a nasty future...again. Perhaps they will win, but what a hell this country will be.
I would liked to see the Gral. Rattenbach Report implemented, with Galtieri, Menéndez and the others chiefs de-graded and eventually executed by military Justice in war times.
Long life to those professionals who attacked the Fleet knowing that it was an unnecessary, ill-designed, ill-managed, irresponsible and unprepared war. Knowing that not always your country has done the things well but you still have to defend him with all your intelligence and all your heart.
Every jet pilot in the world praised them.
UK is not buying or making new helicopters, they are using parts of our ancient helicopters.
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/5849377/RAF-helicopter-built-using-half-of-chinook-captured-in-Falklands.html
'It's penny pinching and an insult to the young men who are going to Afghanistan and risking and losing their lives'.
21 Nicholas,
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know how much it costs to make the bomb; I don't know either whether Argentina has the funds to produce one. But it has the technological capability and the know-how. It is widely recognized as a nuclear threshold state, a position it achieved even prior to the 90s, I believe.
Actually, we are always updating our helicopters marco.
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Using parts from one heli to the next is common practice all around the world.
@28
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Navy also took part in all military coups through the 20th century. During the last dictatorship, Navy personnel were involved in the Dirty War in the late 1970s in which thousands of people were kidnapped, tortured and killed by the forces of the Military Junta. The Naval Mechanics School, known as ESMA, was a notorious centre used for torture. Amongst their more well-known victims were the Swedish teenage Dagmar Hagelin and French nuns, Alice Domon and Léonie Duquet.”
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As for our helicopters, try these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdWiV5T7gio
Aye, Forget the challanger, the Apache Longbow is a beast.
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 032
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you don´t accuse the Paras Battalions, or the whole Army, for Bloody Sunday massacre. Take a look over the behaviour patterns and dialogues of the main actors...nothing uncommon inside your forces. Trying not to discuss that “the governing establishment” took 28 years for affirming the truth.
BTW, 90% of the Argentina pilots were from the Air Force, not from the Navy and had no responsabilities in the Dirty War. Those that nest 13 bombs in the Fleet ship, attacking in close range against the 42 and 22-type defences.
About the ESMA torturers, must be rejected as any torturer and murderer. From our Navy, or from CIA around Europe all these years including many british citizens. To be consistent, d you know?
25 Think: You're not wise you're a f---ing asshole pretending to be Argentine, an old fart who's lost its nerve and its sense of identity, and if you were to insult the memory of our pilots in front of me I'd put a bullet in your head.
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0free speech at it's best.
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 036 zethe(e):
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0in order to improve my english as a foreign language: “it´s best” or “its best”? Thank you for the help.
its just “its”. “it's” should be used instead of “it has” or “it is”. I am dyslectic so my grammar, and often spelling is awful.
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0all right & thanks again.
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(28) Pheel
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, the officers that didn't commit crimes against their fellow citizens and served our country in Malvinas deserve respect....even from me......
But there were too many rotten apples in that little barrel................ Too many........
When one of these officers is recognized and accused by his victims, due procces must take place.
(35) Fernando_A
I have “lost my nerve” more than once during my life, but my identity as South-American and Argentinean has never failed me.
At (23) I mention the names of five pilots that participated in “los vuelos de la muerte”; three of then also served in Malvinas.
No insults, just juridical history.
These people don't need a boy like you to defend their honour by putting a bullet through this “old fart's ” head.
There is no honour to defend.............
Juridical history is fine for me, if we make it with all the data, including all the bombers and cold blood murderers, excluding prejudices for the rest of the barrel.
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0That juridical history allows to put most of the pilots of Malvinas, I feel ALL the attack pilots (didn´t check the data, sorry, just intuition) at the right side of our history.
Prejudices against a certain part of our society should be treated aside, I feel, as we all have prejudices but make an effort preferring for being tolerant. Just a pheeling that I pheel very deeply as I too have accounts to claim.
With the respect of always,
Pheel
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Sep 03rd, 2010 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0We need to develop our nuclear capabilities in several ways, that's a lot of work for argentines a knowledge for our nation. We could gain new contracts through INVAP doing these things.
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nicholas retard, we have money to pay our debt, we are doing it. Concentrate to save your own s****y nation which is going down every day. LOL
43 jorge
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You haven't paid of your debt, you defaulted on it. When you have paid any debt of it is not the whole debt you have borrow only a percentage, and your creditors are given the choice to either accept less money than they are owed or none at all.
How is this paying your debt?
40 Think: Be specific if you don't wish to be misunderstood. You may not know this but the FAA and its pilots are very highly regarded, especially those pilots involved in the war of 1982. Don't piss me off.
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 043 jorge: I understand INVAP will provide the nuclear reactor CAREM to be used in a new TR-1700 class submarine, being assembled at the Argentine Naval Industrial Complex, CINAR. There was a note here on MercoPress
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/04/argentina-planning-to-develop-nuclear-powered-vessels-for-the-navy
It's important that this project be carried out successfully, not just as an asset for the Argentine Navy but in order to demonstrate the CAREM's capabilities and expand the nation's export capacity.
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/04/argentina-planning-to-develop-nuclear-powered-vessels-for-the-navy
One particular project I'm interested in is the Gradicom PCX missile booster: http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/04/argentina-planning-to-develop-nuclear-powered-vessels-for-the-navy (I see several “experts” have lined up to testify against its success)
The Exocet missile served us well but, too expensive and CLEARLY the French cannot be trusted. I consider the Gradicom program to be just as important as the nuclear program.
Vamos carajo ツ
(41) Pheel
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0About bombers and cold blooded murderers…………
Please. if you or anybody that” pheels” like you, can prove anything against those” bombers and cold blooded murderers”, feel free to denounce them to our justice.
Those I can remember are quite death or have served their time…..
All other”talk” is just a justificatory smoke screen……The whole idea seems to be to create a ”Catch 22” situation:
If you did somehow participate:... Shut up you brainwashed criminal communist….. We have to move forward and turn this page.
If you didn’t participate at all:…Shut up, you didn’t’ have the guts to do the necessary….. We have to move forward and turn this page.
I, personally, will turn this page…… when I’m done reading it.
As we speak, the Kirchners are being ”mocked” by Clarin and La Nacion ”questioning their motivations and right” of taking a proactive stand on human rights because they were not ”subversive enough” in the seventies !!!
Pero por favor………..
What vessles are they planning? Subs? That would be a good idea. Surface vessles are silly expensive to fit with nuclear power.
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Defendnaly need some new weapons to go with the new ships, some anti ship and anti air missiles, MK 15 Phalanx is a very good close in weapon for ship defence, cheap too.
46 Think
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don´t have proofs against cold blooded murderers and bombers as I was a teenager then, but nobody needs more evidence about the “long popular war” (sic) that Montoneros launched against 73-75 government, or the innocents murdered in several bombings. Perhaps the evidence is not been used but could be. Personally, I prefer to turn the page and look forward. Not for absence of evidence.
Can you assure that every murderer of that time has been in trial? Obviously not.
So, what are we talking about? Just eternal trial for military because you hate them? Make a continue revenge on new generations which obbey and are aligned with our democratic regime?
Sorry, I can understand your past, but it´s very difficult to share your present point of view.
47 Zethee
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have to confess that I'd feel happier about Phalanx if it were IFF compatible. It would be a bit embarrasing if what it thought was a hostile missile attack actually turned out to be a friendly helecopter flying the mail in...
Aye, it can be a bit unpredictable. In the gulf war an iraq silkworm missile was launched at a US navy ship and the Phalanx got confused and accidently shot another US ship, luckily a RN ship used it's sea dart to shoot down the missile, only one to do so in history i believe.
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(48) Pheel
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A link that represents 100% my position about our recent past:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teor%C3%ADa_de_los_dos_demonios
About the present and future of the Argentinean Armed Forces: (my pragmatic position)
I don’t need eternal trials or revenge…………..
What I need is that the new “Uniforms” sincerely realize that the “Old Cadre” did not, in any possible way, symbolize, represent or protect the “Christian Occidental Civilization”.
About the present and future of the Argentinean Armed Forces: (my cuasi-utopian position)
Development of a common, regional defense industry with technologies similar as those described in (7) and integration of our armed forces into UNASUR, copying the basic principles of the NATO model.
Saludos a las vaquitas….
Think, just caught on to this thread...I know..I'm a bit slow...but, you've got to love your new friend Fernando_A, especially at his post 35!
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also, I'm loving the love between Argentines and Brits about when an apostrophe is the right thing to use. It's (note the proper use of!) a small beginning, but a beginning nonetheless!
I m convinced that 76 coup couldn´t have been legitimized by the street, specially peronists, without the “idealistic youngsters” organizations declaration of war against the democratic elected government. 2 demons o what you want, we will not learn as a society if “the enlighted vanguard” don´t step down from her isolated and one-eyed relato.
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not surprisingly, I have a lot of friends and authors from the orgas that understand this point better than me.
pd: enough for me, you can put the last word on the issue.
(52) PomIn Oz
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The last words on post (35)..... Are just a tipical argentinean “term of endearment”.....Easy for foreigners to misunderstand....... Like “Bastard” in Oz .......you know? :-)
(53) Pheel
Your last words are more than adequate to close.....
Have a nice evening...
54, Think, Ermm, ok...? Are you sure? It sounded a bit harsh for anyone to suffer...even for you! (I will say, for the sake of clarity, that was a joke, ok?!)
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know that, because of relatively recent history, there tends to be a polarising of opinion in Argentina, but, wherever you are in the world, a “bullet in the head” is not that easy to misunderstand! Ho hum!
Right, back on to topic...there was a report not so many days ago about how the USA was praising Latin America for spending so little on defence/military material (as a percentage of GDP), so what happened?
@55 Pom. Did you expect Twinky to get the joke about its/it's?
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not easy when his quasi-spelling isn't quite there!
56, harrier61, I was hoping that he might! I just felt sorry for him - I had a flashback to the “junta” and was worried that Fernando_A might have thought that he was back in the 80s too!
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To my eternal regret (and I'm just about to do it again, so “stupid me” again!), of all the Argentine-position-posters here, at least Think is (relatively) polite, quasi-understandable and sometimes funny. Like gassy, but for different reasons, I like to look for his posts. At least a few of his posts exercise one's (not too sure of the correct use of here!) mind somewhat! I say keep Think alive and down with Fernando_A! Who's (definitely right use of the apostrophe) with me?!!!!!
Aye, although i disagree with him 98% of the time, think is the best of them.
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can laugh with him, Gassy is someone to be laughed at.
Zethee, it is dreadful to say, but he is, isn't he?! I said the same thing early on in my career here - not that long ago, in fact - and he held me to it, even when he posted something idiotic! And yet, he's still the best...of an incredibly bad bunch!
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nevertheless, Think, take a bow - we all luv ya!
(55) PomInOz
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ask:
USA was praising Latin America for spending so little on defence/military material (as a percentage of GDP), so what happened?
I say:
Please read my Nr. (1) in this thread.............
And that's why we all luv ya! 'Cause, very, very occasionally, out of all the Argentine posters here, you come up with something relatively sensible!
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny, we write everything in English and the British point out the correct use of apostrophes. They actually feel smarter for writing more accurately in their native language, haha..
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That really is impressive, I'll give you that
Still a turnip.
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know, I know.. we're stupid.
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 062, Fernando_A, as 63, Zethee says, you missed the fact that it was a little bit of humour between those people (be they Brits, Argentines or any other nationality) who were able to appreciate it. You didn't get it.
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Therefore, you = Turnip! Find a bit of soil, and bury your head in it!
Actually, i was refering to Think.
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for your post at 62:
What the hell are you on about? your command of the english language gives the impression that you are an intelligent person, yet your comments are idiotic.
I did not point out the correct use of apostrophes to peel, if you read it again you'll realise that i got my english wrong and he asked me what the correct use was, and i told him, as was his request. I certanly did not insult him in any way or act like i was above him.
I did get it, moron
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Funny, we write everything in English and the British point out the correct use of apostrophes. They actually feel smarter for writing more accurately in their native language, haha..”
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, who was the other person who was correcting peoples apostrophes in order to feel above people?
Im sorry, perhaps i did not understand this post? can you explain it please? is there some kind of hidden joke that i am not aware of? or have you just said something really stupid and don't want to admit it?
Jesus and doggystyle Mary you people are sensitive
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me read every single post on every single topic, ok? just sit there and wait I'll get back to you
I would suggest reading the one post you comment on, it will save you from looking like an idiot in the future.
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Im hardly sensitive , im just giving you facts. You was the one earlier threatening to shoot a fellow countryman, do you often throw stones from your glass house?
70 zethee
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can´t believe the fuss from the apostrophe issue.
I confess that first ask you with irony cos here we have some brits very very sensitive to any of our smaller mistakes.
As you answered with goodwill, I had to make the same, I would feel as an asshole if not.
You wrote 'was' instead of 'were'. Are you from Chile? You sneaky son of a b--ch.
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 071 Pheel, I thought so. And i do actually agree with you. English speaking people are often(not always) very shallow when it comes to language, we expect everyone to know english because it's the “world language”, anyone who knows two or three languages should be respected rather than insulted for minor grammar mistakes.
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I find learning to speak another language much ealier than trying to write another language.
Case closed.
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What case? the case of me insuting others grammar?
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh wait, that didn't happen.
Do you even have anything substantial without backing out of it the next post, when you realise that the facts are against you?
Zethee, I was willing to drop it because I thought you said something sensible. You actually brought up the EXACT point I was trying to make, so I stopped.
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sometimes you need to know when to stop.
Fair enough.
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, to my knowledge, the first person posting on here over the last few months to poke fun at someone's spelling/grammar was...............Twinky!!
Sep 04th, 2010 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Harry,
Sep 04th, 2010 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0take a look on your posts...and stay quiet.
P
Sep 04th, 2010 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Off. And shut up!!!!!!!
Simon Jenkins is a journalist and author. He writes for the Guardian and the Sunday Times, as well as broadcasting for the BBC. He has edited the Times and the London Evening Standard
Sep 04th, 2010 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/25/falklands-britains-expensive-nuisance
That war is unlikely to be repeated. But this cannot allow us to ignore its causes. Distant colonies are a post-imperial anachronism. Britain will have to negotiate with Argentina because the world, either at the UN or at The Hague, will insist on it. The government and media can bury their heads in the sand, but that will not make the Falklands dispute go away or atone for the dead of the silliest of wars a quarter century ago.
Another repeat post from months back.
Sep 04th, 2010 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe that, even in Britain, Jenkins was told to get lost.
Simon says LOL, thats it then, when do you Argies want to move in LOL
Sep 04th, 2010 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marco, that's the opinion of one journalist. Nothing more, just an opinion...
Sep 05th, 2010 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0In our country, we are allowed to have an opinion. :)
Sep 05th, 2010 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fleet street's equivalent to the village idiot!!
Sep 05th, 2010 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Back to the subject.
Sep 05th, 2010 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1982, Britain accounted for 100 Argentine fixed and rotary wing aircraft. And so far Argentina has bought, what.....? 2 helicopters. Going to have to go some!!
helicopters are not for defense, they're for the Antarctic bases.
Sep 05th, 2010 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe the first big purchase was 34 new monopulse and 6 3D radars from INVAP to monitor Argentine air-space.
No official word yet on replacements for the old Mirage III and SuperEtendard, supposedly a lot of Mirage 2000 as a temporary measure until the budged is big enough to purchase newer equipment.
There was a recent upgrade done to our older jets, avionics and armament, but as far as new jets for the FAA.. no, not a damn thing.
it is nice you are building helicopters, or buying them in,
Sep 05th, 2010 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they come in very handy in air/sea rescue, but dont go over the top and buy silly war birds , or they may get culled ??
nationalism aside, these helis are a very good asset to argetina, they can work in a wide range of operations from sea rescue to direct war action.
Sep 05th, 2010 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the waters down there are very bad, and you need good air/sea rescue.
Sep 05th, 2010 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[These helicopters] my message but cutoff
Sep 05th, 2010 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I understand the Argentine coast guard and Navy also uses Sea Kin, Super Puma, Eurocopter Dauphin and such helicopters, I don't know enough bout these to comment.
This user is currently feeling discouraged...Poor Justin, he always try so hard..
Sep 06th, 2010 - 05:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Justin_A_Kuntz
one who uses drugs
Sep 06th, 2010 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ring any bells Marco?
Change of subject, this one truly shocks me. Even in the Antarctic Chile's and the UK's claimed sectors overlap with that of Argentina's, in fact they're right on top of us. Please, educate the savages, explain this one to me.
Sep 06th, 2010 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine Antarctica: Delimited by the 25° West and 74° West meridians and the 60° South parallel.
Number of permanent bases: 6
Number of seasonal bases: 12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Antarctica
José María Sobral was the first Argentine to set foot on Antarctica in 1901, where he spent 2 seasons with the Swedish Antarctic Expedition of Doctor Otto Nordenskiöld. Shortly afterwards, in 1904, the Orcadas permanent base was already fully operational.
British Antarctica: Delimited by the 20° West and 80° West meridians and the 60° South parallel.
Number of permanent bases: 2
Number of seasonal bases: 4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Antarctica
The Territory was formed on 3 March 1962, although the UK's claim to this portion of the Antarctic dates back to Letters Patent of 1908 and 1917.
Chilean Antarctica: Delimited by the 53° West and 90° West meridians and the 60° South parallel.
Number of permanent bases: 1
Number of seasonal bases: 3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Antarctica
The only permanent Chilean station on the Antarctic mainland (Antarctic Peninsula), O'Higgins Station has been in operation since February 18, 1948. No official data on initial claims.
Argentina is right on top of its Antarctic sector, Chile can make no claims as their activities started way later than Argentina's but if they moved a little bit to the left no one would bother to question them. The UK however, no right at all to claim the exact same sector claimed by Argentina.
Thankfully military presence and oil explorations are banned in the Antarctic.
It's quite easy to understand F.A. if you knew anything.
Sep 06th, 2010 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 01. Britain was there first. Exploring. Britain's claim dates from 1908.
2. In 1904, Britain gave Argentina its first base.
3. Chile and Argentina made no claims until 1940 and 1942 respectively.
It would seem that a couple of South American territories are greedy little beggars and claimed someone else's territory. One of them at least has a history of stealing or trying to steal other people's land.
I see Marco is adopting Think's tactic of stalking. Tsk do I really frighten you that much.
Sep 06th, 2010 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 096 Typhoon
Sep 06th, 2010 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0History of stealing other´s people land?
Despite your awful manners, please don´t invoke old demons that could play against your point.
Almost all the world could argue against your imperial past horrors. And many against the present ones.
And learn some history, please!!! Try from international books in order not to be influenced by The Sun and other “bruttish” sources.
Pleased to allow you to cross our country any foggy day,
Pheel
98 P
Sep 06th, 2010 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An entire history of stealing other people's land. Or would you like to deny that Spain stole the lands of indigenous people throughout South America.
You are in no position to speak about or criticise manners.
Perhaps you could clarify your position on the French Empire, the German Empire, the Portuguese Empire and the Spanish Empire.
And I always get my history from international sources. Not mendacious, government-inspired Argentine ones.
As for crossing your “country” on a foggy day. I subsequently found out that you were in no position to refuse. Firstly, because it is a matter of international law and secondly, because you have insufficient radar coverage to tell when much of your “country” is overflown.
If you need to update your forces' equipment, we have some museums we might be able to sell you stuff from!
Sep 06th, 2010 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fernando_A:
Sep 06th, 2010 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most nations do not recognise any national claims to Antarctica. But if you must go on about it, out of the 7 nations who claim the continent, Britain, France, Norway, New Zealand and Australia, all recognise each other's claims, while no nation will recognise either Argentina's or Chile's claim.
101 Zethee: Those nations recognize each other's claims because none of them overlap with each other.
Sep 06th, 2010 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 096 Typhoon: José María Sobral was the first Argentine to set foot on Antarctica in 1901, where he spent 2 seasons with the Swedish Antarctic Expedition of Doctor Otto Nordenskiöld. Shortly afterwards, in 1904, the Orcadas permanent base was already fully operational. Argentina was the only nation to have an Antarctic base for 40 years until the British built a base on the same islands.
The Antarctic peninsula is geologically and geographically part of the Andes.
Argentina has maintained a permanent occupation for more than a century, and controls the oldest base in Antarctica (Orcadas Station on Laurie Island).
Argentina conducts many rescue missions in Antarctica.
Argentina has constructed lighthouses and other navigational aids in Antarctica.
Argentina constructed Antarctica's first airport in 1969
Argentines form more of Antarctica's peninsula's population than nationals of any other country.
The first Antarctican was born in Esperanza Base (Hope Base), namely Emilio Palma.
Argentina has sent more people to Antarctica than all the other countries together.
We have more rights in Antarctica (and the South Atlantic) than anyone else in the world.
You must be very proud of your Antartic acheivements
Sep 06th, 2010 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/feb2003/arge-f22.shtml
nobody has any RIGHTS on Antarctica, so lets be clear on that point, the other point [i shall call human resources point] is that there are vast wealth to have there, and one day countries may very well have to fight over it, now i do not condone violence,, but if the past is anything to go buy, then I suggest either Argentina and Chile become a super power, or just forget the whole thing and go home, I personally think no one should have it, it should remain free to all, but having said that, i like all of you live in the real world, and the future is this, when they all run out of resources and head to the Antarctic, only the strongest and toughest will win the day and rule, that gentlemen is called history,
Sep 06th, 2010 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and the west is prepared for this, but is the south Americans,. and also i think that china and the usa and others will start to look south,
gladly most of us will not be around when this may well happen, in the meantime enjoy the view while you can ????
Tell me, how can it be the first Antarctic base, when it was originally sited upon Ormond House a meteorological station established by the Scottish National Antarctic Expedition of 1903?
Sep 06th, 2010 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As to the rest, mmmm. No, I don't think any of that qualifies in International Law, seeing as you had little of that before the Antarctic Treaty System,
Article 4 – the treaty does not recognize, dispute, nor establish territorial sovereignty claims; no new claims shall be asserted while the treaty is in force;
The second the treaty stops working it doesn't matter whoever claimed what first, it'll just end up in war. Because of all the resources that are suppost to be down there.
Sep 06th, 2010 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope that the treaty stays, so that all nations can research there.
But about your claim's. Your “first base” was like justing said, built upon an old british one.
And as for having the highest population there, not quite correct. in 2009(Dec-Feb) you had 600 people there in the summer, the US had over 1200. June-August, you had 170, the US had over 330.
103 stick up your junta: your reply had nothing to do with Antarctica (no surprise there)
Sep 06th, 2010 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0104 briton: basically what you said was “just wait, we'll take it by force” (no surprise there either)
106 Zethee: read reply to 104 briton
105 JustinKuntz: A meteorological station, was this a permanent base? There have been many expeditions much earlier than the date you mentioned, but no permanent bases before that of Argentina's.
“In November 1903 Scotia retreated to Buenos Aires for repair and reprovisioning. While in Argentina, Bruce negotiated an agreement with the government whereby Omond House became a permanent weather station, under Argentinian control. Renamed Orcadas Base, the site has been continuously in operation since then.”
They had no legal rights to build or claim anything there, reason why they had to negotiate with the Argentine government. It wasn't until Argentina assumed control of the base that it became permanent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Speirs_Bruce#First_voyages
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Speirs_Bruce#First_voyages
The Antarctic Treaty states that contracting to the treaty:
* is not a renunciation of any previous territorial claim.
* does not affect the basis of claims made as a result of activities of the signatory nation within Antarctica.
* does not affect the rights of a State under customary international law to recognise (or refuse to recognise) any other territorial claim.
What the treaty does affect are new claims:
* No activities occurring after 1961 can be the basis of a territorial claim.
* No new claim can be made.
* No claim can be enlarged.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Speirs_Bruce#First_voyages
You did not check your facts before you replied, obviously.
Doesn't really matter who the first Argentine was, as Argentina is irrelevant. It's claim came 34 years after Britain's and is, therefore, an attempt to steal other people's land. But, just in case Justin didn't make his point clear, Bruce had to persuade the then government of Argentina to continue the station. It's right there in the wiki article you quote “Bruce had further business in the city; he intended to persuade the Argentine government to assume responsibility for the Laurie Island meteorological station after the expedition's departure.” or was it not convenient to read that bit?
Sep 06th, 2010 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh but I did, dear boy. Noting the Argentine claim of British territory in 1942, nicely done whilst Britain was busy in WW2.
Sep 06th, 2010 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I note also that in 1947, 1948, 1951 Argentina didn't have the balls to submit any claim to jurisdiction at the ICJ, and refused to accept any judgement when Britain unilaterally referred it in 1955.
“They had no legal rights to build or claim anything there, reason why they had to negotiate with the Argentine government”
Which is utter claptrap, Argentina bought the Scottish station, it wasn't negotiation with Argentina. Really please do try harder.
I merely pointed out that the majority of what you claim happened after 1961. Quibble all you like, that is the case. The rathere huge clue was “seeing as you had little of that before the Antarctic Treaty System”
For more informed reading:
http://www.south-pole.com/p0000093.htm
Oh and Zethee's comments were not a threat in anyway, merely an expression of the possibility of war over resources should the treaty system collapse. I doubt very much the UK would do much in that respect as it been instrumental in promoting peaceful research.
Funnily enough the only person making strident nationalist claims is yourself, I merely pointed out the holes in them.
Yeah I saw the British claim, ridiculous, can't imagine what they base their claim on.
Sep 06th, 2010 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bruce had to persuade the government of Argentina to allow his expedition to continue its studies there. And?
Why would we accept judgment as the result of anything Britain's ever done or said? haha..
I'd be more than willing to share Antarctica with Chile, they're just as close as we are. Britain however, what a laugh.. all your claims are ludicrous, all of them.
Forums, havens for last-word freaks like you guys.
“Bruce had to persuade the government of Argentina to allow his expedition to continue its studies there. And?”
Sep 07th, 2010 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0And nothing, you claimed one thing, it was simple demosntrated to be nonsense.
“Forums, havens for last-word freaks like you guys.”
Isn't that you were doing? Ciao.
“The book, by prominent journalist Sylvina Walger, describes Nestor Kirchner, the former leader, as a “parallel president” who takes all the important decisions for Cristina and flies into a fury if she disobeys him.”
Sep 07th, 2010 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0“All that's left of that marriage is the question of how to divide the spoils of power,” says Walger.“
”Walger's unflattering portrayal of Nestor Kirchner will thrill political opponents, who regard with horror his prospect of winning a second term in next year's elections. He is described in the book as “mean, petty, vengeful and envious”.
“One reason she goes on so many foreign trips, says Walger, is to scout for mansions for the couple's eventual retirement.”
“The Kirchners have certainly prospered. The 600% growth in their personal fortune, to almost 12 million USD, since 2003 has prompted allegations of corruption since their combined annual income as President and former president is only $157,000. Opposition leaders have accused the couple of using inside information to engage in currency speculation.
The Kirchners own a luxury hotel and other businesses in the Patagonian resort of El Calafate and, according to Walger, a former Peronist militant, they also have 19 houses and 14 flats.”
Oh what fun it is when the truth starts to come out.
We can now start to look for a more stable Argentine government who will be honest with its people and not make claims about territories outside its borders in order to divert the population's attention.
Prince Charles embarks on lavish train trip to spread green message
Sep 07th, 2010 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“According to Buckingham Palace's own financial reports, the Royal Train costs approximately £500K a year to maintain before it even turns a wheel. An obscene extravagance.”
Bored on board?
The most eyebrow-raising entertainment option is Extreme Maniacs, cert 15, which appears to have come free with a copy of Bizarre – a gore and fetish sex magazine
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/sep/06/prince-charles-green-train-campaign
but marco you told us we live on a small island it wont cost that much to travel around surely
Sep 07th, 2010 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Drill, drill, drill. Flow, flow, flow. Oil, oil, oil. Gas, gas, gas. Money, money, money!
Sep 07th, 2010 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will the Falkland Islands increase its defence budget 500%?
Lets not follow Marco's example of derailing conversations by spamming the same crap over multiple pages. And will the editor please do something about this spamming.
Sep 07th, 2010 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cry baby, boyfriend of Price Charles?
Sep 07th, 2010 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marco, as I previously pointed out and it obviously went straight over your head, Freud would attribute homophobia to an inability to come to terms with your own sexuality.
Sep 07th, 2010 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would explain the obsession with spam.
Argentina is 100% in support of the military budget.
Sep 07th, 2010 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#118 I was under the impretion that it was Homosexuality the inability to come to terms with your own sex, not homophobia, in any case doesn't homophobia means fear of homos or fear of becoming homosexual ??
it does not matter if you thought my reply was good or not, it was in fact [fact] treaties are only good if BOTH side obey them, but if a countries or group of countries decide to take action over the resources they WILL. nobody want that beautiful country harmed in any way, but history teaches us, that if humans want [humans get] and if you are powerful enough to use force then force it will be, it has nothing to do with [British British] that is just because you hate us, and while you are busy slugging us of others then move in, this will in time concern all nations, and as I stand by what i said before, only the powerful will come out on top, or at the very least share with another powerful nation, the rest will just have to live with it, ,but please don’t put all the blame on Britain as this is not fair, their are more powerful and very violent countries in the wind just waiting for there chance, personally i hope that we can all enjoy the peacefulness of Antarctica for generations to come,
Sep 07th, 2010 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0118: Spot on! haha.
Sep 07th, 2010 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And 120, i agree. the place should be left as it is now, free for people from all over the world to conduct science.
44 LegionNi, we negotiated our debt and are paying it. The only debt wich remains unpaid is that one of Paris Club and we have the money to pay it cash, the problem comes when IMF wants to interfere with the paying.
Sep 07th, 2010 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Right, suddenly you're all enlightened and full of peaceful wishes , you're just diffusing, or rather downplaying the situation because you know you don't have a chance of making your claim in Antarctica stick.
Sep 07th, 2010 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I understand it Chile and Argentina issued a joint statement last year rejecting British claims over Antarctic territory. A UN decision was expected in May of this year, UN being the ineffectual piece of garbage that it is probably suspended it because I can't find any articles on its decision.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Antarctic-Territory-Claims-Argentina-And-Chile-Join-Forces-Against-British-Claim-On-Region/Article/200903115236672
Under UNCLOS any disputed claims are simply parked awaiting resolution but importantly the right to extend the EEZ does not expire. The deadline was approaching thats all.
Sep 07th, 2010 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing will happen, sorry to disappoint you.
I think you'll aslo find were you to consult an expert in International Law, the Argentine claim to Antarctica isn't worth the paper its written on.
But as I said with the Antarctic Treaty System in place it matters not. So you cheat beating macho crap is actually meaningless.
@116 Justin. Sorry. Thought I'd follow Margo's example. And it does seem to annoy them. And that must be good.
Sep 07th, 2010 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see gassy in in support of the military budget, as he is in favour of nuclear weapons for his country. Dangerous to let nasty weapons into the hands of the criminally psychotic. Pre-emptive strike?
And gorge thinks they are paying their debt. Joke. They keep on negotiating how to pay as little as possible. Like paying 5 pence in the £.
F_A is, of course, a pillock. If the UN were stupid enough to agree claims made 32 and 34 years after the British claim, it would relinquish all credibility. If it relinquishes credibility, the world will be at war within months.
The Falkland Islands constitute one of the last remnants of British colonialism, part of a history of economic piracy stained with the blood of millions who suffered as a consequence. The sooner this history is brought to a close the better
Sep 07th, 2010 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Justin A Kuntz, buy yourself a decent map and you will how stupid you are with your non sense claims.
Big talk, no links, no proof.. nothing. You guys pull facts out of your ass and I'm supposed to be impressed.. haha
Sep 07th, 2010 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Frankly I'm ok with everything the UK is doing, it's just gonna backfire and I'll laugh twice as hard.
..wankers
http://www.macedoniansincanada.com/British%20Piracy.htm
Sep 08th, 2010 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0'The return of the Parthenon Marbles from a British Museum to Greece is a matter of national honor!”
Everybody is asking britain to return something they stole in the past.
Pretty soon they'll be claiming Tierra Del Fuego, I just can't get over the nerve these Brits have.. granted it's just a bunch of jerkoffs with internet, not all of them are as stupid.
Sep 08th, 2010 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is a good article, written with someone with enough sense to see things for what they are.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/25/falklands-sovereignty-argentina-britain
The majority of the british population 100% backs the islanders and the people who live there. Just look at the comments on your link.
Sep 08th, 2010 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0In all honesty we couldn't care less what you think, as long as the islanders wish to stay a part of the UK they will be under our protection.
They aren't going to move from there home, and we aren't about to force them into your nation when the entire population wants to do neither.
Elgin Marbles, so called because they were bought by Lord Elgin to preserve them as at the time the Turks were using the Parthenon to store munitions. Large elements of the frieze were actually blown up by the Turks.
Sep 08th, 2010 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They wouldn't exist now if they hadn't been brought to the UK, they're better preserved than the fragments that you can still see in Athens which have been ruined by traffic pollution.
Note that the marbles were bought not stolen. If you want to see them, they're in the British Museum where anyone can see them for free.
Equally Gott, please do some background research for one before lauding the guy. And have a read of some of the replies on that article. If you want to quote some left wing misanthrope with a hard on for the Kirchner's, don't pretend its either objective or representative.
Perhaps I should simply quote Carlos Escude, who states the Argentine claim has no basis.
And to the resident Abba fan, the link to UNCLOS was posted above. I can post a link to an expert opinion by an academic if you really like.
and if we did not save the falklands, what do think would happen to it,
Sep 08th, 2010 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0do you realy belive the argentinians would look after the islands and the people,
“the right to extend the EEZ does not expire”
Sep 08th, 2010 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0124 JustinKuntz (#) and everyone else,
It's jurisdiction over the continental shelf which is being extended from 200nmi to 350nmi (provided there is a continental shelf that extends that far and it doesn't clash with an adjacent or opposite continental shelf), not jurisdiction over the EEZ. The EEZ will remain the same at 200nmi. The waters above those extra nmi of continental shelf will remain international waters.
129 Fernando_A (#)
Bit rich considering Argentina has put in a continental shelf extension claim for Antarctica, whereas the UK hasn't And claims an EEZ/Continental shelf for the Shag rocks even though under article 121(3) of UNCLOS : Rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf. This distinction is important because the Falklands and South Georgia are more than 700 miles apart and therefore their 350 nmi continental shelf jurisdictions would not join.
There is a time limit between signing up to the UNCLOS and lodging a claim regarding the EEZ, this is why the British lodged the claim when they did. Other than that I do appreciate you explaining it better than I could, my understanding has been significantly expanded.
Sep 09th, 2010 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I said, the claim is about the continental shelf, not the EEZ.
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