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Unasur emergency summit in Buenos Aires in support of Correa and democracy

The Union of South American Nations, UNASUR is holding an emergency summit in Buenos Aires to discuss the situation in Ecuador and express full support for President Rafael Correa, who was virtually kidnapped for hours by protesting members of the police force until freed by Army troops.

Mrs. Kirchner convened the summit

All South American presidents with the exception of Lula da Silva from Brazil, on the closing hours of Sunday’s presidential campaign, and Paraguay’s Fernando Lugo, under chemotherapy treatment, turned up for the meeting. At midnight Thursday, Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez had yet to land in Buenos Aires.

Argentine president Cristina Kirchner convened the summit, precisely in the absence of Ecuador’s Rafael Correa who is the pro tempore Unasur president. The meeting is taking place behind closed doors at the Palacio San Martín.

Few minutes after the meeting begun, news of the liberation of Correa arrived and later Mrs Kirchner spoke with his peer.

“We can celebrate the fact that our peer, the president of Ecuador has been liberated and is in good health”, said the Argentine president.

One of the initiatives under consideration was for all leaders to fly Friday to Ecuador in a strong message of support for Correa. “From Unasur we are going to defend democracy in Ecuador, this is a provocation for the whole of South America”, said Bolivian president Evo Morales.

“Latinamerican democracies will not allow a repeat in Ecuador of the coup in Honduras”, pointed out Argentine Foreign Affaire minister Hector Timerman.
 

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1 CheGuevara (#) Oct 01st, 2010 - 06:13 am Report abuse
Flying to Ecuador would constitute a security nightmare, no need for that.

Very proud of Cristina Fernandez De Kirchner (and shocked not to see any derogatory remarks from Mercopress)
2 Think (#) Oct 01st, 2010 - 07:15 am Report abuse
Two details......

USA did not repudiate the “Episode” nor did it issue any official statement denouncing it…..

CNN offered ample “Camera Time” yesterday to a “tall, blonde good looking, English speaking, opposition woman politician” accusing Correa of using violence against the Ecuadorian people and making him responsible for this popular uprising…

Rest my case
3 stick up your junta (#) Oct 01st, 2010 - 08:09 am Report abuse
Jees, the Latin temperament!
4 Think (#) Oct 01st, 2010 - 11:24 am Report abuse
(2) Addenum
USA did finally “repudiate the episode”......
Eleven hours after UNASUR condemnation, the coup attempt had been effectively stopped and president Correa was already free.
Thanks again USA for your eternal “Friendship”….

Why did this coup attempt even happen?? …. Well….. One could try and start here:
en.mercopress.com/2010/07/27/ecuador-moves-to-increase-state-control-over-the-oil-industry

(Of special interest for me are the comments of the Brutish readers :-)…….
5 Marcos Alejandro (#) Oct 01st, 2010 - 06:54 pm Report abuse
Think, You need to “understand”, the Americans were busy apologizing to another Latinoamerican nation. They can't handle two things at the same time.

www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/10/01/us.guatemala.apology/index.html?hpt=T2
6 Forgetit87 (#) Oct 01st, 2010 - 07:22 pm Report abuse
“The United States apologized Friday for a 1946-1948 research study that purposely infected people in Guatemala with sexually transmitted diseases.”

MY GOD!!!

“A statement by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Secretary of Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius called the action ”reprehensible.“”

REPREHENSIBLE???
No kidding you bitch, that's downright SATANIC!

My God, it's unbelieveble! I knew of all the coups d'état, the multinational exploitation of native peoples (United Fruit, for instance). BUT INFECTING PEOPLE WITH DISEASES???? NOT EVEN NORTH KOREA DOES THAT!

What a demonic rogue state the US is, I'm glad it's rotting away. Let's just hope someone some foreign govt will exploit and mistreat the American people just as their govt did with other nations in the Third World.
7 Think (#) Oct 01st, 2010 - 07:44 pm Report abuse
(5) Marcos Alejandro
Thanks for the info... It had somehow “escaped” my attention.....
I do “understand”............ Believe me..........
8 fredbdc (#) Oct 01st, 2010 - 10:14 pm Report abuse
Good gracious you make it sound like we infected all of Guatemala, it was a small medical research study of prisoners and insane people. How do you think research was done 50 yrs ago.
BTW The USA will be the richest most powerful country in the world long after we are all dead. Demonic Rogue state...what a fool you are.
9 jerry (#) Oct 01st, 2010 - 10:41 pm Report abuse
Obviously this was no coup attempt, but it does appear that some people are getting fed-up with some of the antics of the Ecuador government.
10 Marcos Alejandro (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 12:30 am Report abuse
8 fredbdc , “Good gracious you make it sound like we infected all of Guatemala, it was a small medical research ”
Joseph Mengele from underground agrees with your comment.
11 fredbdc (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 01:12 am Report abuse
That the way things were done 50+ yrs ago. Luckily for you the US commercialized penicillin and you are probably alive because of it. Don't you think drugs should be tested on people before they are brought to market? What the other solution? Think we should give up testing HIV drugs on people? Your comment is ridiculously uniformed.
12 Forgetit87 (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 01:31 am Report abuse
This, fred, is the difference between normal drug testing and what the US did in Guatemala. When a drug company legally tests a subject for an HIV drug, the subject is ALWAYS aware of what is being done to him -- and he has been infected by the disease prior to being tested. What the US did was to INFECT people with the disease, and THEN try a cure. Those persons were not aware of the situation, and since the cure would yet be tested, there was no confirmation that they would get better (the article, btw, doesn't say what happened with the infected samples).

Alejandro,
Don't bother. US's world power status makes fred feel good. He probably has nothing else that makes him feel that way. So he will stop at nothing to defend his country. I knew he would come up with some shit to justify those actions - to justify it not only on self-interested terms, but also in a way that says the world at large has benefited from it. Next he'll likely spout with some nonsense about the good done to those Guatemalans who were being tested with no previous knowledge about the situation.
13 Marcos Alejandro (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 02:13 am Report abuse
12 Forgetit87 , I agree with you but I wish they will test it next time with that A..hole of guinea pig name fredbdc.
14 Hoytred (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 05:45 am Report abuse
Getting back to the story, it's beginning to look like this is being blown out of all proportion. No coup attempt at all in fact.

Must be something to do with that latin fiery temprement?
15 fredbdc (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 10:43 am Report abuse
That was then this is now. A lot of people did things in the past that are considered wrong today. Argentina did a lot worse, to a lot more, much more recently. So if I were you I would keep the righteous indignation to a minimum.
The USA has been the greatest force of good the world has ever seen, can you say that about any country in SA? Nope. Keep to your high platitudes while we go and get our hands dirty using our resources to rescue and rebuild other countries from natural disaster etc. Nobody cries, where is Argentina when there is a huge natural disaster do they? How many times has your country come begging to the USA to be bailed out? I guess just about every President you have had in the last 50 years. Grow up.
16 Forgetit87 (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 02:03 pm Report abuse
@Hoytred
The police revolt is suspected to have had involvement by Luciano Gutierrez, a right-wing politician who has been involved in a coup attempt in previous years. Gutierrez was himself a president until he was forced to resign due to a popular uprising.

@fred
I'm not Argentinian, and I'm not offended by what anyone says about her, though I think what you Brits and Americans say about the country is blown out of proportion and is more often than not motivated by a childish and mean-spirited attempt to put the Argentine people down. I doubt what you say about her is true. And you know what, f**k off you d**khead, consciousless scum. You don't care about anything your f**king country does, you'll always try to distort the facts about your country roguish and tyrannical behaviour to come up with this revolting nonsense that the US is the most positive force on earth.

YOUR COUNTRY is responsible for, or supported, coups in Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Greece, Guatemala, Honduras, Iran, Paraguay, Uruguay, Venezuela - coups that deposed (or tried to) leaders that made an effort to better their peoples situation. Those are coups that have put into power leaders that have killed at least 35,000 of the peoples in their own countries.

YOUR COUNTRY is responsible for the Iraq War, an illegal war that killed more than 100,000 civilians and threw that country at the peril of a civil war.

NOTHING the US has ever done pardones the deaths of those thousands of people it has caused directly or indirectly, fred. Nothing.

I don't care about any country playing a positive role, I don't care about helping out other countries. If it depended on me, all countries would have to come up with their own solutions to their problems. That's the only way to avoid dependency on, and thus potention exploitation by, other countries.
17 Forgetit86 (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 02:19 pm Report abuse
What I care about, fred, is that countries respect their own boundaries, that they respect other people's decision to have the leaders they like - whether they are from the right or the left - with no one trying to intervene on it, with no one posing as a superior know-it-all with the right to decide what's best for other people, with NO ONE saying they're trying to restore legitemacy and human rights when in fact what they're trying to do is to advance their own strategic and economic interests, with NO ONE invading other countries under false excuses just to overthrow rival governments and having no consideration with the civilian population killed in the process, with no one trying to disguise its appalling thirst for power with this populist rhetoric about promoting democracy and human rights.

I don't care about philanthropy, fred. Philanthropy is just another method to increase the influence and soft power by the country that is doing the charity. Philanthropy increases dependency. The US does charity to a country when it has the hope to exploit it. The US did charity to Paraguay. But when the Paraguay governement decided not to give immunity for US soldiers that occupied the country, the US renounced the aid program. Aid comes with a price, a price that sometimes is too high for the one receiving it. See Paraguay, it's a poor country, the 2nd poorest in SA. But it didn't fall apart when the US pulled out its “aid” program. No fred, SA countries are not as dependent on the US as you like to fantasize. And your country is not a positive force in the world. Just like any other country in history it only does what it believes to be in its interests.
18 fredbdc (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 02:19 pm Report abuse
You are not living in a vacuum. The world is interconnected and inter dependent and it is not going to change in your lifetime. You are a typical lefty anti-colonialist spouting off drivel no one cares about a la Michael Moore.
I am extremely proud of my country and all of its great accomplishments. I call our current president the idiot professor and I think that term fits you also.
The only reason you are able to spout off here is by the good graces that the USA has given to the world and if you don't see that I feel sorry for you. You are a very sad angry little man.
19 Forgetit86 (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 02:41 pm Report abuse
fred,
What a pathetic and weak answer. Your thought-process is so marred with jingoism and low level partisanship, it is even ridiculous. You even seem a bit brainwashed. From now on I'll try to ignore you, I hope my contempt will not get the best of me the next times.
20 Think (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
(17)
”Forgetit87”,…………… you are a sad angry little man.
Says ”Fredbdc”,………... our own Knight of the Ku Klux Klan……
21 fredbdc (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
Ahh the two most brilliant posters from the boards, what a surprise you stick together. Either of you going to the Communist Rally at the Mall today?
22 Marcos Alejandro (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
fredbdc says “The USA has been the greatest force of good the world has ever seen”
Really?

www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/09/27/afghanistan.sport.murders/index.html?iref=allsearch
23 fredbdc (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 03:44 pm Report abuse
Marcos: Maybe if you were a women in Afghanistan you would be thinking along different lines.
www.rawa.org/gallery.html
24 Think (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 03:45 pm Report abuse
(21) KKK
I must admit that I have followed with interest your “debate” where my young Brazilian colleague constantly deconstructed your baseless argumentation and numbers with his sharp mind.
I wanted to see how long it would take him to realize how repulsive it is to correspond with such a supremacist as you.

Today, it seems, he got enough…..
25 Forgetit87 (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 03:46 pm Report abuse
“I doubt whether the U.S military leadership has followed either Clausewitz or Sun Tzu, or else it would hardly have gotten itself involved in an unwinnable war in Iraq.

In the future as in the past, both Clausewitz and Sun Tzu will undoubtedly have a lot to offer. As to the U.S, I do not see that it follows any particular set of principles except hypocrisy: meaning, the heart-felt need to dress up its extraordinary hunger for power with fine-sounding phrases about freedom, democracy, women's rights, etc.”

Martin van Creveld, a right-wing Israeli military-scholar.

www.sonshi.com/vancreveld.html
26 fredbdc (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 03:55 pm Report abuse
America provides an amazingly good life for the ordinary guy. Rich people live well everywhere, but what distinguishes America is that it provides a remarkably high standard of living for the “common man.” A country is not judged by how it treats its most affluent citizens but by how it treats the average citizen.
www.heritage.org/research/reports/2006/02/whats-great-about-america
27 Marcos Alejandro (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 04:42 pm Report abuse
fredbdc, I am glad that a socialist is in charge of your country now, right wing nuts like Bush destroyed it. Keep watching Fox News, Glen Beck and Hannity, “they are good for your brain”...may be not.
28 fredbdc (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
Marcos, Are you bitter because you were denied a visa to the USA or were you recently deported? Usually that is the reason Sudacas don't like the USA.

I believe the idiot professor's agenda will be thwarted by Nov and by 2012 he will be gone. Most American do not want gov't in their lives.

Are you Brazilian and embarrassed? Take a read:
www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2010/09/Why-is-America-Exceptional
29 Marcos Alejandro (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 05:15 pm Report abuse
fredbdc ,Are you related to Sarah Palin? Can you see Russia from your house?. Thank God Obama is in charge and Glen Beck and Hannity lovers like you will enjoy watching him as a president for a loooong time.

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7047309.ece

www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2OUJ8ZUTiI&feature=related
30 fredbdc (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 05:20 pm Report abuse
Gosh i hope not I don't want to end up like Argentina with Cartoneros and children begging in the streets.

www.miamiherald.com/multimedia/news/americas/argentina/index.html
31 Marcos Alejandro (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
Ok cubanito, After reading this articles I love to live in Argentina.
Great job Bush and friends!
www.examiner.com/news-you-can-use-in-atlanta/us-census-shows-poverty-america-increasing-42-6-million-living-below-pover

www.usatoday.com/news/nation/census/2010-09-16-poverty-rate-income-numbers_N.htm
32 fredbdc (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 05:55 pm Report abuse
The poor in the USA are considered making under $89,000 pesos a year, a lot more than a Doctor or Lawyer in Argentina right?

Poor persons in the United States have far higher living standards than the pubic imagines. Overall, the typical American defined as poor by the government has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV reception, a VCR or DVD player, and a stereo. He is able to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry, and he had sufficient funds in the past year to meet his family's essential needs. While this individual's life is not opulent, it is equally far from the popular images of dire poverty conveyed by the press, liberal activists, and politicians.

The major causes of child poverty in the United States in any year will be the absence of married fathers in the home and low levels of parental work. www.heritage.org/Issues/Poverty-and-Inequality
33 Marcos Alejandro (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 06:01 pm Report abuse
Where do you get your numbers cubanito? From Sarah Palin? Can you see Russia from Miami?

Recent poverty rate and guidelines
The 2008–09 poverty threshold was measured according to the Department of Health and Human Services Poverty Guidelines[13] which are illustrated in the table below.

Persons in Family Unit 48 Contiguous States and D.C. Alaska Hawaii
1 $10,830 $13,530 $12,460
2 $14,570 $18,210 $16,760
3 $18,310 $22,890 $21,060
4 $22,050 $27,570 $25,360
5 $25,790 $32,250 $29,660
6 $29,530 $36,930 $33,960
7 $33,270 $41,610 $38,260
8 $37,010 $46,290 $42,560
For each additional person, add $3,740 $4,680 $4,300

SOURCE: Federal Register, Vol. 74, No. 14, January 23, 2009, pp. 4199–4201[14]
34 fredbdc (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 06:19 pm Report abuse
Family of 4 U$ 22890 X 3.92= AR$ 89, 728.. I know sudacas can't count high but you should try a calculator, do you have them there yet?
35 Forgetit87 (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 06:33 pm Report abuse
“Overall, the typical American defined as poor by the government has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV reception, a VCR or DVD player, and a stereo”

Wow, my mind is blown away!

Frankly fred, do you think that's impressive? Y'know, I read some day that the number of people in South America with VCRs and cell phones surpass that with access to sanitized water. Access to consumer goods is widespread in LatAm, fred. What is not widespread is access to public services of high quality.

And what is all this chanting about life quality in the US? Who the fuck cares about that? I myself was discussing only US rogue behavior and your thoughtless assertion that the US has a positive influence over the world. US status as a First World country was never in dispute. And you know what fred, if life quality says all about a country, then you need to recognize some other states are far superior to the US. Sweden, for instance. Most people in the world would rather live in there than in the US.

@Alejandro
Drop it, fred won't change his views. And he won't because he doesn't reason on the basis of proven facts or the rules of logics. His thought is dominated by slogans and jingoistic propaganda that he has absorved by reading American supremacist websites such as The Heritage!
36 Think (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
Be glad that he didn't brag today with his latino servants, gardeners, chauffeur or the pathetic history about a Rolex, nicked from him in Buenos Aires :-)
37 fredbdc (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
Forget you sound like this horrible old commie I used to chat with on line from Canada? Do you live there?
Rogue state again, really? Come on? Are you comparing us to North Korea now? I wonder why we naturalized 4+MM people this year alone, in the middle of a HUGE Recession if we are so bad? How many immigrants are living in Sweden 1MM compared to our 38MM. You should be ashamed of trying to deceive the gullible.
You should leave your shanty some time and see what it is like to live in the greatest country in the world. Do you need a visa to get here? Do you have airports where you are from?
38 Forgetit87 (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 07:33 pm Report abuse
fred, I'm not a commie. I don't even consider myself a leftist, for I don't believe in a central proposition supported by all leftists, moderate and radical alike: that social justice is a valid concept.

And thanks for the invitation fred, but I have no intention to visit other countries. When I was a kid, I had this great dream of going to France. Even learned French to do that. Later on, I wanted to go to Italy, Greece, Egypt, Israel, Japan and China. But the US was never on the list of countries I wished to visit. What is there to be seen? MacDonalds? Thanks but there's MacDonalds in here, and I think its food is not very good. And not very healthy either. It's no great surprise that so many Americans are obese.

You have some great difficulty in following a reasoned argument. One speaks about apples, you retort with some rant about oranges. That the US is overall a good place to live compared to most other countries, that it is democratic, that it's very advanced in matters of science and technology, that it's moderately tolerant of immigrants (though things in there are worsening), no one in his right mind would dispute. What is in dispute is its behavior on the international arena.

Promoting coups abroad, meddling in other countries' internal affairs, waging illegal and morally unjustified wars, killing another country's civilian population -- or using them to test medicines without their consent: none of these are behaviors of a responsible state. The US has done all those things. As such, it's a rogue state. See, that's logics. It's not treated as a rogue state by most other countries, because it is too powerful, economically and otherwise, to be simply brushed aside. Of course, other countries are in a similar situation. No one alienates China and Saudi Arabia because they're powerful, important states on their own. But everyone knows those countries' govts are oppressive ones. And everyone knows the US is an international thug.
39 Think (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
(38)
Flies like a Butterfly,..... stings like a Bee.
:-)))
40 fredbdc (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
Didn't answer my question, “you from Canada, ay”? You are one of the very few people in the world that would not want to travel here. Wanted to go, but never went? No visa, no money? How come, safer to live vicariously though books and the internet? Maybe you should get out of your mothers basement sometime. I've been to 29 different countries all before I was 30! It is great to be an American!
FY definition of a Rogue state is a “controversial term applied by some international theorists to states they consider threatening to the world's peace. This means meeting certain criteria, such as being ruled by authoritarian regimes that severely restrict human rights, sponsor terrorism, and seek to proliferate weapons of mass destruction.[4] The term is used most by the United States, though it has been applied by other countries” I don't think the USA qualifies are you trying to make up another definition? One that suits your world view? Seriously did we deny your visa? Deport you? Bomb you? Gotta be one of those reasons.

It's McDonalds btw so are you sure you have been to one, maybe you went to a MAC Donalds and that is why you didn't like it?

Think, you are like a bothersome child, go play with some string and keep yourself quiet.
41 Think (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
(40)Freddy says:
“ I've been to 29 different countries all before I was 30”

Yeahhhh……I remember those loud young Americans crisscrossing Europe on their first class “Eurail Passes”.....
Always in a hurry....
Many didn’t care where they were…..
They just wanted the stamps in their Passport to impress the chicks back home in Minnesota.....

What day is it today?..... Tuesday?..... Then this must be Paris.
Yessss…………. I remember them………:-)))
42 Marcos Alejandro (#) Oct 02nd, 2010 - 10:26 pm Report abuse
“ I've been to 29 different countries all before I was 30”
The americans can not find their own country in a map!

blogs.news.com.au/news/splat/index.php/news/comments/why_cant_20_of_americans_find_america_on_a_map/
43 Forgetit87 (#) Oct 03rd, 2010 - 02:35 am Report abuse
fred, it's very moronic to drag discussions to personal issues. And to do that over the internet is even more so. One can't know whether the other part is saying the truth. E.g., that you've been to 29 countries is hard to believe. And so is your assertion that you've lived in Argentina. How many languages do you speak? I know that in spite of your “time” in Argentina you don't speak Spanish. So I doubt you can really speak any other languages, for Spanish's one of the most accessible languages to be learnt. And it's hard to believe that you've been to 29 countries if the only language you can use is English. And it's a bit pathetic too.

I've lived in Brazil my entire life. And as said before, I've currently no desire to leave it. If I did, it wouldn't be to immigrate. And if I had to immigrate, it wouldn't be to the US. As I said, it's not an attractive place for my tastes. The Mediterranean coast, the Middle East and the Far East seem more interesting to me. Plus, there's the unemployment thing. Right now Brazil can boast of significantly lower unemployment rates than the US. Why leave, then? No, I don't have any money of my own. (I'm not far above the teens, btw.) My father has some, though. Last year he paid for my brother and his gf to spend 5 mo in Florida. My brother bought a PS3 in there, for it was cheaper than in here. As for me, I don't think I'd have any problem in convincing my parents into lending me money to spend some time abroad. And they'd have no problem in paying for that. There! I hope that's enough for you, for I won't share anything else. And fred, what if I had tried to immigrate and been refused the visa? Does that make one inferior to anyone else? Do you feel superior about people in 3rd World countries that try to make a better living abroad? Are you that contemptible?
44 Forgetit86 (#) Oct 03rd, 2010 - 03:02 am Report abuse
As for the root of my resentment towards the US, don't try to find it in personal experiences. I don't dislike the US over something personal. I dislike it because my country and others nearby have suffered unilateral intervention from it for quite some time, some of it was successful, though fortunately this trend's changed. I dislike the US because many other countries worldwide have suffered even worse things than what we over here are accostumed to. Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq: you know the story. And the most revolting part in this all, is that, whilst the US behaves as a dominant rogue state - that is to say, as an empire - it tries to pose as the world police, the peace enforcer, THE responsible country. This hypocrisy makes me even more indignant than the rampant immorality it's supposed to mask. And equally revolting fred, is that many Americans will try to justify their country's behaviour when its misdeeds are brought to their attention. You, for example, seem firmly convinced that we Latin Americans don't have a right to decide who our leaders shall be, that the US has the right to overthrow a govt if it so wishes. So don't complain about my resentment against the US, for your consciousless disregard for democracy and international law doesn't look any better.

As for the “rogue state” term, I was using it as a antonym of “responsible state”. Whether or not promoting coups or infecting their populations defines a rogue state, doesn't matter. All I know is that this is no behaviour of a responsible country. And perhaps such deeds are not used to define a “rogue state” because so far only the US has done such things. “Rogue state”, as you know, is a category - it is supposed to apply to a myriad of countries.

And finally fred, if promoting coups is not enough for one to argue that the US is a threat to peace, then perhaps its illegal incursions in other countries - most recently in Iraq - will do.
45 Pedro (#) Oct 03rd, 2010 - 08:52 am Report abuse
Democrasy the world over is under threat. Not because of the so-called coup. Because a new form of Authoritarian Democracy is becoming more and mote popular the world over. Get the popular vote and then destroy all opposition, the free press and rule by decree. Use executive powers to change voting districts, get Governors in line by controling the purse strings and crush all dissent by labeling it as coup attempts and undemocratic. Nationalise private assests and media in the interest of the national good and build in essence a democratic Dictatorship. And the West supports this type of democrasy as at least a step in to growing true democrasy. It is gowing to come back to byte them and the leaders that practise it.
46 Think (#) Oct 03rd, 2010 - 10:31 am Report abuse
My score count:

Sao Paulo: 7
Wachingtón: 0
47 fredbdc (#) Oct 03rd, 2010 - 01:22 pm Report abuse
You are under 20! You live with your parents! What do you know about the world? You have never left the favela. Grow up kid. Enjoy life don't waste you time writing on chat boards. I was on the phone all yesterday that was why I was playing along. When you grow up we can have a legitimate conversation on world view.

Think, seriously are you retarded?
48 Think (#) Oct 03rd, 2010 - 02:04 pm Report abuse
My score count:

Sao Paulo: 8
Wachingtón: 0
49 Marcos Alejandro (#) Oct 03rd, 2010 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
fredbdc, Are you related to this blondie? I think so.
blogs.news.com.au/news/splat/index.php/news/comments/why_cant_20_of_americans_find_america_on_a_map/
50 Think (#) Oct 03rd, 2010 - 05:11 pm Report abuse
I ”Think” I found the reason for Mr. Fred Bates (Fredbdc) irrational hatred against Argentina…..

It must be Post Traumatic Stress Disorder after being mugged in Buenos Aires…….

I the year 2007 he spent a lot of energy in ”Frommers” trying to convince everybody that Argentina was a terrible place.

He didn't succeed ;-)

www.frommers.com/community/forum.cfm/central-south-america/argentina/complicated-just-live-there

www.frommers.com/community/forum.cfm/central-south-america/argentina/mugged-ba

Rest my case……….
51 Marcos Alejandro (#) Oct 03rd, 2010 - 07:12 pm
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52 fredbdc (#) Oct 03rd, 2010 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
Get a life. I'm on Facebook too if you want to see my picture. I am not trying to hide but your life must be pretty boring if you are reduced to cyber stalking someone. LOSER.
53 Think (#) Oct 03rd, 2010 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
We know... we Know.... Nice hair :-)
54 fredbdc (#) Oct 03rd, 2010 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
What a fool you are making of yourself. You are like a little boy thinking your funny when you are just a pathetic loser from a forgotten province in a filthy country.
55 Think (#) Oct 03rd, 2010 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
:-)
56 Marcos Alejandro (#) Oct 03rd, 2010 - 10:12 pm Report abuse
Freddie, How is the real state bussiness doing in your city?
Think, Nice hair? What hair?? :-) hahaha
57 malvinas (#) Oct 04th, 2010 - 01:09 am Report abuse
forgeti you fortgat usa responsable for genocide of native americans and isolation of native am in resevations,nuclear bombing in two big cities in japan the only country in the world that has done that kiling millions of people animals and mother earth whatta great force of goodness usa is!
58 jorge! (#) Oct 04th, 2010 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
The world should f*ck Northamericans! They are good for nothing!

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