Monday, December 13th 2010 - 07:57 UTC

Buenos Aires Mayor, the big looser in the squatters-neighbours battle

A 130 hectares city park and open space taken over by squatters in Argentina’s capital Buenos Aires, the scene in recent days of violent incidents in which at least four people were killed and scores injured, was calm on Sunday following on the arrival of security forces sent by the federal government.

Mauricio Macri has a new wife but is counting his losses

The thousands of squatters who took over the Indo-American Park in the Villa Soldati neighbourhood to the south of Buenos Aires received with applause the officers deployed to guarantee security in the area. The squatters are living in tents and improvised structures made out of cardboard, plastic bags and plywood.

Large swaths of the park has been divided into precarious plot claims with sticks and ropes by the roughly 1,500 families who have camped and promise not to leave until the Buenos Aires city government provides them with decent housing.

But not only the demand for housing was behind the several days rioting triggered when shocked neighbours requested city officials to evict squatters from the green space, most of them until a few weeks ago undocumented residents from neighbouring countries (mainly Paraguay, Bolivia, Peru, Chile), who were given a chance to clear their situation with recent legislation sponsored by the administration of Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner.

Without the proper police resources to evict the squatters since the city of Buenos Aires and its mayor Mauricio Macri do not have special forces or equipment, the attempt turned into deadly rioting between unprepared law enforcement officers, furious neighbours who took it to their hands to protect their turf and squatters desperately fighting for a chance to have a plot of land where to build their home.

The Conservative Macri is a strong contender for next year’s presidential election and figures among the short hate-list of Mrs Kirchner and her 2011 aspirations.

No wonder then that during the rioting with guns, iron bars, sticks, stones and taking advantage of December 10, Human Rights Day solemn celebration Mrs. Kirchner attacked those who favour repression to dialogue, who appeal to xenophobic language (Macri made some unfortunate pejorative remarks about Paraguayans and Bolivians and everyday crime) when all Argentines descend from immigrants and who seem to forget the strong Indo-American roots of Argentina.

Meantime Macri was desperately imploring from Mrs. Kirchner to send the federal police which are trained to combat rioting and extreme situations and because it is the government’s duty to impose law and order. The reply was that the Kirchner governments loath repression and don’t practice it.

Finally several rounds of negotiations took place between Macri and his city team with cabinet chief Anibal Fernandez and Interior minister Florencio Randazzo, both strong candidates for the top cynical and sarcastic comments prize.

Neither side (city or federal government) in the exhausting negotiations accepted responsibility for the situation, but when the attrition seemed pointless the government sent in special forces to pacify and fence off the park from the neighbourhood hopefully preventing any future clashes with the squatters, who anyway have said they won’t move out until given a solution to their housing demand.

Apparently the federal government has promised out-of-the-city plots of land for the park squatter on condition the city of Buenos Aires then builds proper houses, for which Mr. Macri does not have the resources.

Politically the situation for Mr. Macri couldn’t be worse: a clean eviction job has turned into a a big mess that will alienate the poor and homeless in Argentina which are a significant percentage; besides he has been unable to deliver to the law-abiding, good citizens of Buenos Aires and to make PR even more damaging he only recently again married with a charming lady but has since been the cover of gossip magazines, television talk-shows and all the rich and famous paraphernalia.

Not a very promising prospect for a political figure and presidential hopeful who had to blend descendents of Europeans with the Indo-American roots.

Further exploiting the situation Mrs Kirchner announced the creation of a Security Ministry which will bring together the Federal Police, the Gendarmerie (responsible for border patrolling) and the Coast Guard.

A well equipped force stronger than the depleted and discouraged armed forces. The interim appointed minister is Defence secretary Nidia Garré who sent a strong message in a long Sunday interview with a government supported newspaper.

“Neither during the government of Néstor Kirchner nor now with Cristina suppression was used to deal with social clashes or conflicts“ said Ms Garré who called mayor Macri a “racist” for arguing that it was necessary to tighten immigration policies to fight crime in the context of the ongoing conflict at the Indo-American Park.

Furthermore, Garré considered that ”all these problems must be resolved in compliance with the Constitution, laws, and human rights“.

Finally asked about Macri's claims for a military intervention to resolve the situation in Villa Soldati neighbourhood, Garré said that ”seeking the intervention of the military is clearly part of a concept that was already tried in Argentina, and ended up with the military forces leading a brutal genocide”.
 

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1 nitrojuan (#) Dec 13th, 2010 - 12:24 pm Report abuse
I had to do a lot of things to have a bank credit to my department in B.A.City, The Federal Gov. can´t open the country borders (with paraguayan,bolivian, peruvian, chilean) so easy, because we will have this problems. They take the land and wait to have a right of this!!! because the human rights.... that is ridicuolous..... It is like falklanders taking our lands in Malvinas and next the human right of “self determination”.
2 WestisBest (#) Dec 13th, 2010 - 01:46 pm Report abuse
Such a shame isn't it John, the way people insist on having their human rights upheld. Things would be som much easier for the likes of you if you could just make people 'disappear' like in the days of the good ol' Junta eh?
3 atk357 (#) Dec 13th, 2010 - 02:32 pm Report abuse
It is sad that a city mayor can not do anything because he is supressed by its own goverment. We have the same problem here in the US with our southern neighbours. They cross the border illegally, wave the flag and demand rights. Nobody likes that. What can you expect from an Argentiean govenment that...according to history (circa 1970's) is composed of former guerrilla members.....
We went through the tough 50's and 60's “civil rights”. No one wants oppression and repression of civilians by any means, however, one can not hide behind the “human rights” flag and take land or impose on a country.
We wish you the best for the next elections!!!!
4 jerry (#) Dec 13th, 2010 - 02:39 pm Report abuse
WestisBest - This is not the same subject as “making people disappear”, nor is it the same subject as the Malvinas/Falklands. nitrojuan may not have expressed himself well enough in English to send the right message, but this has nothing to do with human rights, it is a simple matter of illegals being led by thugs of the CFK government to break the law and expect people like Juan to pay for it.
5 fredbdc (#) Dec 13th, 2010 - 02:59 pm Report abuse
The Ks have a long history of paying squatters to leave rather than forcing the issue. Why not set up a villa when eventually the gov't will pay you to take iti down so they can demolish it? Or why not take over someone's private property, destroy the interior then get paid by the gov't to leave. They reward bad behavior. The BA Police should have the obligation to remove squatters from public land but why here and not the dozens of HUGE villas around the city. It makes no sense.
6 jerry (#) Dec 13th, 2010 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
fredbdc - It is a little complicated, but the villas are mostly on national government land, while in this case, the park is city land. City police do not have arms, and there a limited number on this police force, who are primarily street cops who give tickets for going through red lights in parts of the city, etc. The only real forces which can remove squatters is the national federal police force, the border guards and the coast guard, all being commanded by CFK.
7 dab14763 (#) Dec 13th, 2010 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
“the big looser”

The writers at Mercopress have proved themselves utterly incapable of learning how to spell the verb 'lose' and its derivatives
8 axel arg (#) Dec 13th, 2010 - 10:11 pm Report abuse
If many of you would make a deep analysis of the situation, you would not parrot the same crap than moron macri.
Obviusly that it's not right to take a public space like that park, but what you should do, is to wonder why does it happen in argentina.
The answer is simple, this people are the result of an unequal society, if macri's government would not have diminished the budget for popular houses, wich are adressed to poor people, maybe this problem would not have happened, it's very easy to blame the imigration for narcotraffic, and delicuence, however what that idiot ignores is that since 120 year ego, the porcentage of migration that comes from bordering countries is just 2,5, and it didn't increased, and the worst is that many people buys the words of this fascist son of a bitch.
I think that we must recognize once and for all that w havea rascist society.
Beside, human rights are not something redicuolous, for thta kind of ignorant expretions, we had more than 30000 desapeared people, think before you type please (nitrojuan).
9 NicoDin (#) Dec 14th, 2010 - 12:11 am Report abuse
Illegal immigrants should be deported like it is in any countries in the world.

Peru its growing 9% its showed by the neocons as example of successful economy, Chile the same, Paraguay is growing 9%, etc. They have to take care of their owns fellows we are importing poverty and chaos.

Bolivian OK they are poor so we can help them but have to be relocated were there is not overcrowded like in many provinces were population its very low.

Else its incoherent to call the Brits in the Islands Squatters after all the Bolivians, Peruvians, etc all are doing the same but in Buenos Aires.

I don like to be invaded by anyone, fellows that like this publish his address here please. 5.000 fellows Bolivians will be glad to visit you.
10 fredbdc (#) Dec 14th, 2010 - 01:48 pm Report abuse
Like I said many times, Argentinians are some of the most prejudiced people I have ever lived around. Funny how you talk about all the illegals in your country then criticize the USA for deporting (flying) our illegals home, at least we don't beat them, burn down their houses and kill them like you do.

www.canadianbusiness.com/markets/market_news/article.jsp?content=D9K3MOCG0
Nearby residents are furious. Desperate to prevent yet another slum from springing up next door, many grabbed weapons and ran into IndoAmerican Park, torching tents and chanting racist slogans. The squatters fought back, and at least three have died in waves of violence since the first land seizure last week, authorities said.
11 stick up your junta (#) Dec 14th, 2010 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
The deployment of almost 1,000 Border and Coast Guards last weekend seems to have imposed a tense peace on Villa Soldati for now but neither short-term nor long-term solutions are in sight. This conflict may not be on the scale of Iraq or Afghanistan but an exit strategy is just as hard to find — it is very simple to rush in troops nowadays but how do you pull them out? Nor does the continuing presence of security forces prevent incidents even now because it does not offer even a rough justice — instead the illegal squatters see themselves as protected against the backlash of more established residents of the neighbourhood.

Bit of a bastard aint it :-)
12 NicoDin (#) Dec 14th, 2010 - 11:04 pm Report abuse
@fredbdc

Oh no of course you just shoot them in their own land hypocrite

www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa2LjgL40KE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8GR2INhjB8

We only accuse you of being yank cowards that all mate.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP6RztHZkjs

“Americans are cowards” your own mates recognize that
Your attorney has a point about your fears about it. Don’t you think so?

@Sticky

“Morales agregó que su gobierno tampoco permitiría que los extranjeros “asalten” terrenos bolivianos y sugirió que “tal vez algunos toma-tierras de Bolivia se fueron” a la Argentina.”
www.elesquiu.com/notas/2010/12/14/ciudadania-184701.asp

Were you Sticky?
13 xbarilox (#) Dec 15th, 2010 - 01:25 am Report abuse
Cristina de Kirchner wanted to force Mauricio Macri out of office, but she couldn't make it haha so now she has to do something about all those people, she promised to give them money and now she has to pay, I mean, we have to pay! as usual. She's an IDIOT, GOOD FOR NOTHING, NUTJOB! Why don't this people go and take some land in Brazil or Chile? They don't go because in Brazil or Chile they will be shot and they won't let them take other people's land. They don't work, they don't study, they don't want to work, they want us to build them houses, pay them money, give them food, all free of charge! Condoms, that's what they need, condoms! Thank you Cristina Big Idiot!

Fred, idiot, you're not an American, you are a stupid latinoamericano living in Argentina, stop saying you live in the USA cockroach!
14 fredbdc (#) Dec 15th, 2010 - 02:19 pm Report abuse
Nico: Why don't you give me a logic diagram on how you think a posse of Argentinian vigilantes burning, beating and killing immigrants is the same as a USA Border Patrol agent firing on a known drug smuggler launching projectiles on him because I don't see the connection.

OMG XBOX and I finally agree on something, wow!
15 NicoDin (#) Dec 15th, 2010 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
@fredbdc

“USA Border Patrol agent firing on a known drug smuggler launching projectiles on him because I don't see the connection”

Come on Fred stop watching “Glenn Beck show” it is for religious morons that cannot think by themselves. Very funny but that’s all.

Launching projectiles?

Your Border Patrol would not shoot any real drug traffickers because they will kill all of them. That simple a poor silly 14 years old kid portrayed by your govt. as a serious criminal only a stupid can believe that.

Americans and Mexicans are both partners in the drugs business mate who do you thing distribute it on US soil and sell arms the Cartels?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyDHNeJxazU

US society its very hypocrite, repressive and cynic a strange combination or fanatics extreme religious right wing mixed with a “when nobody sees me I put my nose in anything that look like white icing sugar and take your best porn photo”

Your puppets in US only want to take more control on the drug business not prevent the trafficking.
Miami, Las Vegas, etc was entirely made by dirty money.

You cannot lecture anyone in this world about it, but may be you can teach “how to make look dirties business into legal one. The respectable corporations for idiots, The American Way”. I can see a niche for you there.

Ha ha
16 stick up your junta (#) Dec 15th, 2010 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
The worst approach to the Villa Soldati squatter problem is to politicize it, as the Cristina Fernández de Kirchner administration seems intent on doing by pointing the finger at the rival Peronist ex-president Eduardo Duhalde while continuing to play the blame game with City Mayor Mauricio Macri (himself far from free of any guilt). What we have here is the social problem of an already severe housing shortage rendered more acute by inflation
17 fredbdc (#) Dec 16th, 2010 - 01:51 am Report abuse
Nico, Are you posting from a mental institution? You have a very warped sense of reality. I think you are really sick and you need to fix your dosage.
Get some help.
18 NicoDin (#) Dec 16th, 2010 - 09:44 am Report abuse
@fredbdc

Do you live in a bottle?

Wachovia admitted handle dirty funds from drug cartel for about $378.4 billion.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXCZYg--PMs

The Miami connection necessary to turn dirty money into something legal in US, may be Condoms? Luxury stores? You Guess.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXCZYg--PMs

Who has a very warped sense of reality now?

How is going your treatment? Do you need some help?
19 fredbdc (#) Dec 16th, 2010 - 12:11 pm Report abuse
Maybe if you got your information from something other than youtube you wouldn't have such a conspiracy theorist mentality. Get some help.
20 NicoDin (#) Dec 16th, 2010 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
@fredbdc

“conspiracy theorist mentality?”

Maybe if you were not in a state of denial you wouldn’t think that way.
Think about it.

Tell me what source would you like? A letter from corrupted Bush, signed also by Clinton and Obama?

content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/06/report-wachovia-bank-helped-launder-mexican-drug-money/1

www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-07/wachovia-s-drug-habit.html

marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2010/06/29/am-drug-cartels-moved-money-via-wachovia-q/

www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-phillydeals/Wachovia_was_Mexican_drug_lords_.html

compliancex.typepad.com/compliancex/2010/07/wachovias-drug-habit.html

American Drug Lords

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4732259691463876230&hl=en#
21 fredbdc (#) Dec 17th, 2010 - 12:34 am Report abuse
Nico, What does this have to do with anything? I know we have drug dealers here, I am sure some of them have $ in US Banks. So what? Who cares? I certainly don't.
I think we should man our border with Mexico with predator drones and create a DMZ about 50 miles into Mexico patrolled by the USA military. That should solve a lot our of sudaca infestation problems. Too bad our squishy President would never do it. HOpefully in 2 years he will be gone and will be have a nice strong Republican in charge again, YAY!
22 NicoDin (#) Dec 17th, 2010 - 06:58 am Report abuse
@ fredbdc

Let me see your republican candidates aha Here Mitt Romney um.. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Mitt_Romney.jpg but he looks pretty Mexican have you noted that?

Lets me see more... his is from a religious family (Mormon) and his father was George Wilcken Romney aha.. but wait a minute he was born in Colonia Dublan Galeana, Chihuahua MEXICO he is Mexican hahah hahahah haha

Mitt Romney is a liar he says to the Mexican one ting and to the Americans other.

Well lets see other aha here Crist, Crist... wait a minute he is not American else from Greek-Chipriot origin, real surname Christodoulou changed to Crist. Haha

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Charlie_Crist_official_portrait_crop.jpg

I think that together with Lindsey Graham Crist would make a good Love Parade in Florida.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxuJQ3FsAOI

But don’t worry at least you have Bobby Jindal from India es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archivo:BobbyJindal.jpg

Best choice 100% guarantee or your money back in 4 years.

And you are right you have more than 50m of Mexican and also you are full of Mexicans politician in your govt. like Bill Burrito Ricky upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fe/Congressman_Bill_Richardson.jpg

You should put your fence around the White House to be out of the Mexican Area, if your next president will not be a Mexican of course. What about Richard Juanito Rodriguez for president?

Haha you are in a mess really mate.
23 Zethee (#) Dec 17th, 2010 - 11:03 am Report abuse
Wikilinks..backed up by youtube!

The evidence of this mans oppinion is absolute!
24 fredbdc (#) Dec 17th, 2010 - 11:33 am Report abuse
Nico, you are either mentally retarded or insane. Bye.
25 Think (#) Dec 17th, 2010 - 04:09 pm Report abuse
Mitt Romney would surely make e a loving and religious USA President.
After all, he had seven loving and religious grandmothers... :-)))
26 fredbdc (#) Dec 17th, 2010 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
I would take Romney over an over stretched, siliconed manic depressed botox queen any day.
27 NicoDin (#) Dec 17th, 2010 - 11:42 pm Report abuse
@ fredbdc

“Nico, you are either mentally retarded or insane. Bye.”

What wrong with you mate?
Me retarded? ha ha

And what about you?

When you say that you want to get rid of the Mexican immigration problem and the Sudaca Infection, bla, bla, bla and then you are telling us that you will vote for a Mexican Mormon Like Romney?????

Or that you will vote for Republicans.

Most of all your Republicans and all politicians come from Spanish/Mexican or Latin background.

Otto Reich that sure you love he is from Cuba en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Reich

Peter Romero, Roger Noriega en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Noriega

Do you remember when Davalos Ortega was signing your bill notes in the time of Reagan and Bush? www.historyforsale.com/productimages/jpeg/143340.jpg

She even spoken English when working in a restaurant as a cashier in New Mexico
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_D._Ortega

Come on mate who do you want to cheat?

The only way you can get rid of the Mexican may be if you move away from US. ha ha
28 Zethee (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 01:24 am Report abuse
You didnt add any youtube links nico, how can we take your oppinion as fact if it's not backed up by your youtube links?
29 NicoDin (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 04:00 am Report abuse
@Zethe

No need Zeth yanks are very easy who can denies that they live in Amexican? Everyone in US has a some kind of Roger Rodriguez relative.

A English speaking person in Miami, California, Texas, New Mexico, etc.
Will have to look hard to find someone to speak with.
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24871558/ns/us_news-life/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language_in_the_United_States

in 10 years Hispanics will be the largest single community in US
30 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 09:55 am Report abuse
in 10 years Hispanics will be the largest single community in US

And go down hill like all the other spanish colonization ?
31 fredbdc (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 11:46 am Report abuse
Nice thing about the rise of the Latinos in the USA is that they are trending to vote Republican and one of our rising stars is Marco Rubio from Florida. Marco is good looking, smart, from a hard working immigrant Cuban family, and ultra-conservative.

Throughout our history we have done a very good job integrating differing race, religion, etc into our society. This is no different.

One thing I see coming shortly though, is “English as the official language” so no more Federal Documents in Spanish nor will elementary classes be taught in Spanish.

Our philosophy is “assimilate or die” we have never really accepted the 'ghetto” mentality in the USA, you must speak and adhere to our customs to get a job etc or you will starve so eventually they assimilate and their children tend to be extremely patriotic. In general we like, admire and respect LEGAL immigrants.
There is a reason we have the most immigration of any country in the world and one of the strengths of the USA.
32 NicoDin (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 12:04 am Report abuse
@fredbdc

“Our philosophy is “assimilate or die”” ????

Good speech but realty shows the contrary US its becoming more and more Latin/Hispanic/Caribbean than any other country in the world.

And by the way your candidate seems to use his Party credit card for personal expenditures how do you call this? We call it corruption and you?

Records show Marco Rubio spent thousands with GOP credit card.
www.tampabay.com/news/politics/legislature/article1075692.ece
33 stick up your junta (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 09:21 am Report abuse
This may be a answer to the Argies probs

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11942501
34 fredbdc (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 10:35 pm Report abuse
Nico, A lot of people use their corporate Amex for personal expenses. I used to use mine all the time and I just paid my expenses with my own money and did an expense report for the rest. I was ultimately responsible for the bill because even though it was a corporate card it showed up in my credit report. That is the same thing Marco did and it is not corrupt.
BTW who is the the ”we' in your statement aren't you an illegal living in UK? Which country are you including yourself in?
35 NicoDin (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 04:13 am Report abuse
@ fredbdc

We= Argentineans

“aren't you an illegal living in UK?”
Illegal????

I was living in UK but legally, where did you get that mate?
I never was illegal in any part of the world and you?

“I used to use mine all the time and I just paid my expenses with my own money and did an expense report for the rest”

That means that you are the Guarantor of that Credit Card not your employer, so that way you cannot abuse the company and your boss has to approve your expense report. If you don’t pay your personal expenses your credit will be harm not their credit.

But Marco Rubio problem is other he abuses the trust of his party as you can see from the statement of the party spoken person

“But party spokeswoman Katie Gordon said the card was not supposed to be used for personal expenses. “The RPOF American Express card is a corporate card and is meant to be used for business expenses,” she said when asked about the party's policy.”

So Rubio abused the Party’s policy and trust, and committed what we call here “malversación de fondos” (bad use of funds) Articulo 169 of the Penal Code.

Any trustee private or public servant that uses private or public funds previously approved used not affecting to the purpose intended in its previous approval.

For example your are a trustee of a fund to be used to buy medicine for your community and you buy cars for the police department. You have committed a violation of the 169 act or the PC. AKA corruption.
36 fredbdc (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 12:28 pm Report abuse
Nico, If there was “corruption” he would have been prosecuted so I guess there wasn't.
Why don't we chat about SKANSKA or and of the other 100s of corruption cases currently being investigated for SITTING government officials in Argentina? Isn't one of CFK ministers getting all of this rent paid by someone else? Isn't he still on the job? What about the 300 MILLION U$ missing from Santa Cruz that Nestor stole? Or teh “commissions” paid to the Ks and their minions for all the Venezuelan trade?
We can go on and on the endemic corruption in your filthy country is what keeps you in the 3rd world and why roads, bridges etc cost 5X more than they do here. Get real retard.
37 NicoDin (#) Dec 21st, 2010 - 01:11 am Report abuse
@fredbdc

Because we would have to talk about the corruption in USA where is huge and bigger than Argentina.

A nation that claims to be democratic while had attempted more than 20 to kill its presidents and had killed 4 presidents (Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley and Kennedy).

A country where the governor of Illinois (Blagojevich) was caught trying to sell the seat left by Obama and nothing happen.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/governor-who-tried-to-sell-obamas-senate-seat-says-he-wont-quit-1205417.html

A country where rich bankers still people money and nothing happen.

The difference between yanks and us it that we complain a make big noise when something its wrong instead you keep quite like sheep.

: )
38 fredbdc (#) Dec 21st, 2010 - 12:12 pm Report abuse
Nico, I am sure you are retarded so I am not going to try to teach you any longer, my head is starting to hurt...

Argentina’s ranking in The Wall Street Journal/Heritage Foundation’s Index of Economic Freedom—now 135th out of the 179 countries ranked in the Index—has declined steadily in the seven years since President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner and her husband, former President Nestor Kirchner, took power. It is by far the lowest ranked G-20 nation. Recently Charles Krauthammer neatly summarized why: Argentina is “a chronically unstable, endemically corrupt polity with a rich history of dictatorship, economic mismanagement and the occasional political lunacy.
www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/04/cronyism-and-corruption-are-killing-economic-freedom-in-argentina
39 NicoDin (#) Dec 21st, 2010 - 09:54 pm Report abuse
@ fredbdc

what do you want to teach me?

I’ve been living in many places and the only place much easier to set up a business (not tax heaven paradise included like Luxembourg) is in UK. Where at least was some year ago and has less regulations.

The rest including US is a mess to much regulations its the land for the Lawyer Industry.

So try to set up a business in Spain, France, Italy, Germany, UK, etc and Argentina and then you will see what useless its your WSJ index.

Here the analysis of the WSJ rubbish

US receives 91.3 on BUSINESS FREEDOM business takes six days (under the point of view of an American)

My fiend started her business in a week here in Argentina also but if you are a foreigner you will take more time.

The same as in US I was trying to just open an account in US some years ago and was impossible due to the regulations. Some states has its own tax and regulations what make a mess to operate within US.

Some countries like France, Spain, Italy (the worse) its nearly impossible to meet all regulation to set up a basic business. I know it very well none told me of WSJ rubbish.

While for Argentina was given 62.1

To set up a business in Argentina you don’t require 18 steps and 2018 days.
1-Incripction of your business in AFIP (Inland tax revenue) like in any part of the world. You get in the same day.
2-If you will deal with people like a shop, etc you need Habilitation of the place that has to be according with safety regulation according with your activity and a “libreta sanitaria” where all people involved in the business or dealing with people, food etc. are healthy. This is like the license. Depends where you want to put your business out side The City can take a week.
3- after that you get all and you need to go.

If you want to set up a forma society like SRL or SA (Inc, Corp, etc) you nee additional steps but this has nothing to do with business else law and legal contracts. And its much the same as in any other part of the world.
40 fredbdc (#) Dec 21st, 2010 - 10:29 pm Report abuse
A couple things you left out of the Argentinian business set up is all the bribes you have to pay along the way to actually get doors open and then keep them open.
Ooops did you forget about paying off the fire inspector and then have 100s of people die in a night club or maybe a building inspector and then the building falls down. Or maybe the weekly collections by the Police and the government officials just to keep your doors open. Or the customs agents to get your goods either in or out of the country. Nico, did you forget about all of those small details and payments?
I guess I should believe you rather than the WSJ. Loser.
41 NicoDin (#) Dec 22nd, 2010 - 04:11 am Report abuse
@fredbdc

Are you always living in illegality?

I used to have different business in Argentina and only people that want to make things on the easy way or jumping the law look for to pay bribes. The same its in US or any other country in the world.

Like US and EU corporations like to do
online.wsj.com/article/SB124329477230952689.html
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8600241.stm

www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/4555893

US and EU multinationals and bankers are the source of global bribes and corruption on high level.
They are involved in any case of corruption Why? Because they offer to pay bribes to get contracts and to get favous for their business.

Do you think that people corrupted like Bernard Madoff its an exception in US?

My personal experience tells me that only corrupts complain about the bribes because the are willing to pay to get advantage over the legal guys.

So US its world record in corruption, bribery, crime, mafia and economic crime.

The whole US was build on this big fortunes made by smuggling, slavery, corruption, arms trafficking, Drugs and scam.
Like Mr. Ponzi from where comes the Ponzi scheme.

Everything can be buy in US offering a good amount of cash even justice.

It is the American way mate.
42 fredbdc (#) Dec 22nd, 2010 - 01:48 pm Report abuse
You know when you use the word “mate” you sound like an idiot don't you? You are using it like “che” or something and it is not the same. This is how I know you never lived in UK or US or anywhere else decent for that matter.
Nico, keep thinking the USA is more corrupt than any country in South America and you will die dirty and poor like the rest of your countrymen.
43 NicoDin (#) Dec 22nd, 2010 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
@fredbdc

The only idiot its you mate. Especially when talking about corruption in US here another case.

Ernst Young Accused of cooking things to hide financial problems of Lehman Brothers. haha

en.mercopress.com/2010/12/22/ernst-young-accused-of-helping-lehman-brothers-hide-financial-problems?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily

Even though I have to recognize that I’m not the best source for learning languages (I sucks) you are even worse than me mate.

About the mate,

The use of mate it a funny way to make a stereotype of Aussie (Australian) slang like in G’day mate. And stuff like that.

UK is full of Aussies and English use this (mate) some time as a way to make fun over the Aussies or even English. And it is used also in the country side of England.

Like happened with John Major (UK PM) in the ’90 when his administration was in a mess.
So some people joking pretending to ask to Major when the economy was ready to get out of recession he answered.

I don’t know mate.

You have to take a decision John.
I’m not sure mate.

For Assies and low class londoners its like our Che or like the use of the Italian ciò or the A fa... in French.
So mate you can use it in the way you want, mate.

Do you understand mate? Else see here www.stonedcrow.com/stonedzone/ZONE3level/MATE.htm

BTW my ex girlfriend in UK was Australian and as she was English Professor in London she hated the use of mate. So I used a lot just for fun and to see how she got upset with my nasty English. Haha

You have never been in London because otherwise I shouldn’t be explaining this to you, mate.

So when you find someone using mate, tube (underground), Quids (Pounds), etc its quite English and from London mate.

Do you want a course of Cockney too? www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBQxU8K1uJw

If you want to see people sound like idiots and look very silly find an American trying to imitate English Posh accent haha.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BpOe-o4Upk
44 fredbdc (#) Dec 22nd, 2010 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
Nico, you are mentally weak and unstable, you should stop embarrassing yourself. It is very tiring.

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