Argentine Government questions present relevance of 1999 Falklands Agreement with Britain
The Argentine Foreign Ministry stated yesterday that the “provisional understandings” signed by London and Buenos Aires were in complete disuse and that the “unilateral actions of the United Kingdom” with regard to oil exploration and military exercises on the Islands constituted an “unsolveable obstacle” to the continuation and development of the “bilateral cooperation”
January 3rd marks the anniversary of British re-occupation of the Falkland Islands in 1833 and every year on this date successive Argentine governments have restated their sovereignty claim over the Islands with greater or lesser virulence.
The communiqué does not mention any dates for the bilateral agreements, but both countries signed them in the 90s after the resumption of diplomatic relations. And so the text issued yesterday by the Foreign Ministry gains relevancy because it materialises the successive breakdowns over recent years leading to the present paralysis in relations with Great Britain due to the increasing importance placed on the sovereignty issue by the Argentine Government.
A sign of this is that the Argentine embassy in London has been without a head since August 2008 when José Nun’s candidature was withdrawn by Argentina as a protest.
Under the governments of Tony Blair and Carlos Menem, fishing agreements were signed - still in existence, but obsolete because Argentina no longer participates in the meetings of the South Atlantic Fisheries Commission – and a petroleum agreement. This was revoked by the Kirchner administration, which also imposed controls on shipping. With regard to the politics of flights, a national ban on charter flights to the Islands is still in place. In yesterday’s communiqué the Foreign Ministry complained about the “unwillingness of the United Kingdom to tackle the sovereignty question” as Argentina sees it and lists declarations of support for its claim from various regional forums, multilateral groups and individual countries.
Argentina recently announced its recognition of the Palestinian state, joining several other Latin American countries including Brazil, Bolivia and Ecuador.
On Sunday, the Argentine Foreign Affairs Minister thanked President Mahmoud Abbas for Palestine’s support in his country's dispute over the Malvinas Islands, which he said had similarities with Palestine’s position.
Both countries were under unfair and anachronistic occupation by foreign powers who were exploiting the resources of both territories, the Ramallah-based representative said, and both cases revealed double standards in the implementation of UN resolutions.
The Argentine Foreign Ministry stated also that the British attitude was also contrary to Resolution 31/49 of the United Nations General Assembly, which called upon both parties to abstain from adopting decisions which would bring about unilateral changes in the situation while the Islands were involved in the process recommended by the relevant resolutions.
As in other years, the communiqué on this the 178th anniversary of the establishment of British rule in the Falkland Islands concluded, “Argentina considers incomprehensible the British refusal to tackle the basic problem in order to find a peaceful and definitive solution to the sovereignty dispute, according to the mandate of the International community.”
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.................. and so it goes on, without change ............... nothing Argentina can do ........... unless they go to the ICJ of course.
As the time passes and he/she leaves knowing in depth the problem, leave with clarity that the opinion publishes world, and in particular the British cubic opinion, goes with more and more with growing sympathy the fair one claims taken by Argentina in the world forums.
1. They werent natives.
2. They were allowed to stay.
Yes Palastine and the Falklands are similar as they are both threatened by an aggressive neighbour who want to stop the people from expressing their rights.
178 years and Argentina still cannot get its history correct - but then some people never learn
These “understandings” which involved fishing, petroleum air flights to and from the islands.
Fishing agreements - not in use because of Argentina.
Petroleum agreements - revoked by Kirchner
Imposed controls on shipping - From Argentina
A national ban on charter flights to the Islands
All written in the post they are using to ..complain? Was this released by the Argentinian government? this is very embarrassing for them.
The Argie posters are obsessed with 1833 for some reason. Find me someone from 1833 who was wronged and is alive today then I will petition my MP to take their argument to the UK government.
Don't see any Argies offering to apologise to the Islanders for 1982. Probably because they are a bunch of cowards and cannot accept responsibility.
@10 “ It is the islander's wishes that are of primary concern in 2011.” I don't see that Chagos inhabitants are neither primary, nor secondary concerns in 2011 or any year. They're still wanting to return to the inlands. Aaaah, but you're white and British, and they're black, dat right!
This is getting worse for the British invaders, one day you'll go to bed in Las Islas Malvinas but you'll wake up in the UK. You're still in the inlands just because you are part of the mafia that has been maniging global issues being part of the United Nations, but things are changing, that's why Southamerican countries and many others, are having a more important participation in global issues. Believe it or not :)
Once a fortnight, would be more than fitting for such a questioned destination.
However we know Int Agreements mean little to Mrs K. - Her Govt has torn up/walked out of all the other ones - not us! But she knows also that this link with its once a month stop in Rio Gallegos each way is Argentina,s ONLY link to the Islands. Cut that - and no more visits here by Arg veterans,next of kin families, etc etc.
That link cuts both ways.
Any craft, civilian or military, has the right to sail or fly through the straits and there is nothing Argentina can do, because Argentina has signed and ratified the agreement which allows this: UNCLOS.
www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part3.htm
Just a couple of extra slots at Ezeiza Airport are 100 times more valuable for LAN than that insignificant Punta Aenas-Mount Pleasant Airport route.
This is business....
And money is King
Argentina bans shipping supporting the Islands,
Argentina goes crying to any country on the planet where it can offer trade in trade for ' sympathy' over the Islands,
Argentina refuses to believe any real history about themselves and the Islands,
Argentina cries like a little girl when we test fire a SHORT range missle in an exercise which has happened for decades,
we offer co-operation on development of hydrocarbon exploration and extraction...rejected
we offer joint management of fisheries....rejected
and we arent co operating? we have given the Islanders the option to choose thier own destiny, instead non stop whining like a baby with a toy taken away,
compel to the nature of the islanders instead of threatening them with economic isolation, they are Argentinas only hope if they want the islands back
Oh yeah elections next year the Rhetoric has been ramped up with a bang, i wonder who is trying to use the patriot flag in order to try and secure votes?
p.s Palestine is like Falkland Islands/Argentina?? that one is really scraping the bottom of respectability, what an utter insult to the palestinians...i wonder if they lived here rather than palestine, do you think they'd agree ??
Business are business....!!!!
Lan's profitable weekly flight “could”, sooner than you expect, become Lan's extremely profitable fortnight fly.........with “complimentary” stop-over in Rio Gallegos on every flight..............
LAN happy...
Argentina happy....
Argentina happy
DANANG, Vietnam: Standing to attention in the hot sun, a Marines baseball cap over his heart, US veteran Alan Segal watched as an honour guard carried the flag-draped coffins of his fellow servicemen onto an Air Force plane, taking them home 34 years after the Vietnam War ended.
singers are the Malvinas Chorus .
(I find it astounding that CFK talks about unilateralism and the 1999 agreement in the same breath!)
both are island hoarders .
You tried to grab and ended up running away!
Since 1833 we could not see any apology from the pirates when they took our people of the Malvinas Islands Argentina, What are you talking about!! man. Argentine and South American all will not see a single brits arround the Malvinas, but we want to see all the brits to 14000 milles from Malninas Islands! It is understood and done with such nonsense comments .... Now we are in 2011 and it is finishing the colonies, and the same Brits know about this! The time is ending!
Talking of distances also
Isla Martín García is an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The enclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters
The other option is to kick us out but no reason to see why your abject humiliation in 1982 wouldn't be repeated.
“..with “complimentary” stop-over in Rio Gallegos on every flight..............”
And how would that help the flight be 'extremely' profitable think? the trouble of landing and taking off on a broken down, weed encrusted runway at that shithole Rio Gallegos (yes I've been there on several occasions which is several more than you have Think I'll warrant) so that 1 or 2 passengers can embark/disembark....doesn't sound that tempting to me from a business point of view.
Don't play the “dumb farmer” on me......
Save it for the whennies....
They love it....
Anyway do I malign Rio Gallegos? nope.....or misrepresent the business burden it is for LAN on their Punta/MPA route? nope again.
Argentina can threaten, it can be a nuisance - but there is nothing it can do to get its thieving hands on the Falkland islands. The British have dealt with blockades before.
As for the flights - well what would Chile's attitude be? They are no great fans of Argentina and I seem to rec all that their current President enjoyed a recent visit to the UK and is a major shareholder in LAN.
I'm talking about the Brits out. The islanders would be fully accepted as Argentine citizens with full rights and authority but under our jurisdictions and part of Tierra del Fuego Pronvice. I am quite sure that the Malvinas Islands Argentina with a more fluid connection with the mainland would be more important economic level for the islanders. New Zealand has implemented new techniques in differents area as farm, sheep, milk, fisheries, tourism, Constructions, sport, etc, etc ... and all this would be totally much easier as part of Argentina than 14000 miles to be a bloody colonial nineteenth century. On the other hand Argentina each year would still impose further restrictions as all South America to stop and block the Malvinas Islands. All this would be very hard for the islanders. Is the best time to talk and sit down and seriously talk to Argentina and Uk
Of course we'd like a normal relationship with the coast, but the price you are demanding is too high. We don't want to be 'accepted' as Argentine citizens, because we aren't Argentines. Your making it 'hard' for us makes us more determined.
Why on earth would the islander's wish to be Argentines when they have a choice between being British or being independant?
EXbrain - still smoking that sh*t ?
What are you talking about !!Please Could you read the newspapers , there is a growing support to the South America countries to Argentina.It is a cuention only of time and could be harm the Islanders, so Mr, you are at 14000 miles and you think that typing all the time complaints is a big Pirate's solution, You wrong!!!, man! Please, with much education as Argentine I say you stop drinking whisky, It is doing you no good....
42 xbarilox (#)
Yes!!! we want the Brits out of the Malvinas Islands Argentinas ... and this is not macho, this is going to happen over time!If! we want the Brits out of the Malvinas Islands Argentinas ... and this is not macho, this is going to happen over time! this is our dream of Argentine walked again our Argentine Islands but in peace, just that!!!
You talk about Lan wanting money - the only attraction for them in landing in RG is that sometimes the fuel is cheaper there so they fill the tanks!
Also how could it be better to make money with ONE flight a fortnight instead on making money every WEEK with one flight a week as they do now?
Ok! I understand. But you and all the Islander should think of an option to sit with Argentina and Uk for the good of the Islander and the future for the Malvinas Argentinas Islands
Nothing will change, not in the next decade or two and probably a lot, lot longer!
It is up to the Islanders to determine their own future and you are giving them little incentive to take a different course of action. It would be nice to see some progressive policy from Argentina but all the Islanders appear to get is hostility and rhetoric.
So what if South America wants one thing or another (and I have yet to see any actions to substantiate all of the verbal drivel).
If you want to change the status quo then there are three option.
1) ICJ - something your leadership are scared to do as they do not wish to embarass themselves. The Kosovo case has also made them see what the result would be.
2) Negotited transfer - Islanders have to agree to this and considering the contempt you show to them it is no surprise they want nothing to do with you.
3) Military option - been there and failed before and Argentina would fail again.
The only other option is to accept he present day reality and start to treat the Islanders like human beings. Cooperation is the secret to prosperity.
Now grow up and drop the self pity.
Nope........ It is NOT up to the Islanders to determine their own future.
Not in those Islands....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTIxgmnu2mM&feature=related
Your choice of political class is somewhat wanting!
Before I listen to Mr.Galloway’s clip, I didn’t know who he was.
Then I read this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Galloway
Maybe you should too instead of relying on the tabloids…
Anyhow, it’s his opinions and the opinions of the others on that clip that are of interest.
I care not for the opinion of a man who says “would you like me to be the pussy cat” on live tv. It should be on YouTube see if you can find it
If it came to a straight punch up at the UN between Britain and Argentina what would be the question that would be referred to the ICJ.
My money is on - “ Do the Falkland Islanders have a right to self-determination under the UN charters?” - or something akin to that.
Wonder what the ICJ's response would be ?
Galloway's a clown ....... bit embarrassing realy :-*
www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-D5XoNWFSQ
I can see your problem…………..
You may invade countries, kill people, disregard any sense of ethics, and be completely cynical......
But for God’s sake, don’t ever be embarrassing…………..
Brainwash anybody?
Or bias
It said: ”The broadcaster failed to engage or debate with any point of view that was contrary to the view presented by George Galloway.
A proper Argentine is our George
www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/george-galloway-tv-show-rapped-for-bias-2140867.html
Think and George Galloway a match made in the despotic Marxist paradise. I suppose Think also admired Sadam Hussain's “indefatigability”!
But the point that you've missed? What would be the question, and how do you see the answer going ?
I must admit that I grossly overestimated your wits lad.
Anyhow…
It was fun and, thanks to you, I learned a few things about that hysterical circus called AIM.
Have a nice life
You say:
“Think ……………… Killing people is just ...... life!”
Just a couple of rhetorical questions for your “cynical” you:
How many have you personally “lived”?
If none; how do you know?
If any; how’s life?
Just rhetorical questions.
Just think .............
Think ...ing, all the time :-)
The bitter election battle in the East End has spilled into violence, with extremist Muslims and anti-war protesters targeting George Galloway and Oona King.
Anti-war campaigner Mr Galloway was forced to take refuge from Islamic militants who denounced him as a “false prophet”.
The former Labour MP said “the police saved my life” after supporters of radical group Hizb-Ut-Tahrir clashed with members of his Respect party last night.
George Galloway, the scary clown
ezralevant.com/2010/10/george-galloway-the-scary-clow.html
Well…. You shouldn’t.................
Rhetorical questions are meant not to be answered.
That’s why they are rhetorical, lad……….
Keep Think King
“ Killing people is just ...... life !”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Beefeaterdcu1.jpg
Don't be embarrassed to comment, look at Dr Beef, he lost his rear end investing in this company and he still comments anyway.
Get used to it :-)))
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/55575/procedures-werent-adequate-bapros-president
Put your money in gold laddie .. far safer :-)
www.falklandshistory.org/gettingitright.pdf
www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/falkland.htm
He never even wanted a Argentinian settlement anyway, he was constantly applying and asking for british rule
Argentina on the otherhand, greeted the poor souls with an execution when they got home.
The civilians were allowed to stay on the islands.
Wireless' link is more accurate.
And some of us are sweet 6'2 gentils wanting to get rid of you :-)
No “Total War” here dear.
Just “denial of services”
You better follow the Hon. Emma suggestion: Prepare a plot of land and get an extra pair of polytunnels going.
Furthermore, it would be wise for the the Hon. Jan to quickly implement a contingency plan to keep the young ones from the bottle and in the Islands.
You may also apply for a new AUG to replace your old FAL but……… that would just be pure overkill :-)
Which in english, translates to: words.
No actions.
No Falkland Islander with the intelligence to pass a primary school examination would ever want to be Argentine. Just the word is a lengthy replacement for “sh*t”.
Isolde, how's that preparation for war is going?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkw2DdoskPY
This is actually very sound advice. We shouldn't be importing things we can grow ourselves. In fact I'm just off to the polytunnel now to pick salads and berries.....yummmm. If 'denial of services' means we find the will to become less reliant on manky imported fruit and veg, so much the better.
One of my New Years's resolutions is to stop eating horrible imported meat and fish; we have some of the best of both grown and caught right here. Mr M has been heard muttering darkly about bacon and sausages but we'll see how we go.
Not sure I'm going to overcome my lifelong aversion to cows, but I'm working on it. Then we'll be pretty self sufficient. And better in every way for it.
Argies got the jump on us
www.metro.co.uk/weird/821672-convicts-dress-up-as-sheep-to-escape-high-security-prison
Listen carefully lass………………………………
Don’t be such a BIATCH !!!
You can have all the Spinach-Ginger-Olive Oil smoothies you want but…………...........................................
Don’t deprive Mr. M. of his bacon and sausages !!!
This is the bestpiece of advice you’ll ever get :-)
Well. your British friends in Europe do not think the same way that you do:
”the chances of making cash from the Falklands may be as bleak as the islands look.”
R. Mason
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/rowenamason/100009134/another-day-another-falklands-oil-duster/
Mr M is thinking of keeping his own pig:-)
The real problem lay with the fact that sovereignty was not dealt with specifically in 1771. Left open between Spain and Britain. If it had been sorted then there would have been nothing for Argentina to whinge about ... although somehow I doubt that that would actually stop them whinging :-)
Please!!!, Stop talking and go to work. We need people who work in the The Malvinas Islands and not talk crap like you're saying! What did you say! man ......... l Think That We Had Better prepare for “Total War”.
We believe in the The Malvinas Islands and we will continue demanding our land because we were seized by a bloody Pirates in January 1833. you understood! So Just have to wait for the pirates we continue stealing our resources of the Islands I think it is not much time because It is not oil there. The pirates are interested in these islands for some minor resource or as the approximate with the Antartica, Just it 's all ,man .. think before you say stupid comments!!!!!
Not many.
Most people seem to misunderstand the point of the deal entirely. It's mainly to keep our pilots ability to work on aircraft carriers in the 10 year gap where pilots won't have chance to train as much. The carriers are a very small part of the deal, mostly it being our navys working together so the french and RN arent so overstreached all over the world.
The deal is a very good one.
Do you even realise the great irony is that the leader of your settlement was charged with piracy from not one but two nations.
1) only stupid comments to you man, as you can't have OUR islands.
2) you can“demand” as much as you like but we're not going to take any notice of you, you ignorant little twerp.
3) they are not your resources, nino, they are OURS. and we will do what we like with them.
4) you should do a lot of thinking yourself, man, before posting stupid comments.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O2mvuLamto
what a KNOB!
I think your comments are so aggressive, and should be more educated .. We are here to say and say differents issues without attacking anyone, Ok! and this goes for you too Redhoyt
You started making comments as...... l think That We Had Better prepare for Total War?.... I think anyone would go back as '82. or think about it again! You should be very careful to say these comments, these are out of place and I say to you with respect, Ok
106 Marcos Alejandro
Tanks! was so funny! Some comments like these make me crazy to see people and very aggressive assholes who say these things. just that!!!
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/55739/bank-note-shortage-leaves-cash-machines-empty
Kiwi, baby, l couldn't care less if you think my comments are aggressive to you. You sound like an ldiot and are an aggressive asshole yourself just like your silly president.Get an education before you comment.
And as for you, Moronic Marcos, the plonker. lt is obvious that you hold women in contempt from your stupid remarks. are you perhaps a repressed homosexual? you seem obsessed with women's bodily functions.
but you got babykiwi giggling.(he might be too!)
en.mercopress.com/2010/11/03/gay-friendly-buenos-aires-experiences-massive-inflow-of-homosexual-tourism
Nice couple:-))))
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBZ8GZQZhe4
You drive us crazy when you talk like that!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW7mawvhnFg
That's the education that you took of english people, Great!!!!You and WestsBest are a good English Culture example!!! very nice couple!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve4iKskz5B8
Nice!! you are Great too!!!
Great video Cher Think, but a bit obsessive don't you think. Morticia looks lovely.
Should have seen them when Argentina made same sex marrage legal. Along with nico a few of there heads almost exploded.
Bit obsessive?............................................. Naaaaaaaaaaaaay
That's just the way we Argies are; adamant, determined, firm, persisting and resolute :-)
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/invading-the-falkland-islands-was-a-cowardly-act-says-argentine-president-472543.html
....and above all, habitual liars.
and confused :-)
I'm talking to the lady....
Would you mind?
:-)))
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