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Argentine Government questions present relevance of 1999 Falklands Agreement with Britain
The Argentine Foreign Ministry stated yesterday that the “provisional understandings” signed by London and Buenos Aires were in complete disuse and that the “unilateral actions of the United Kingdom” with regard to oil exploration and military exercises on the Islands constituted an “unsolveable obstacle” to the continuation and development of the “bilateral cooperation” Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesthe argentine government never entered into the spirit of the agreement anyway.
Jan 04th, 2011 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... As in other years, the communiqué on this the 278th anniversary of the establishment of British rule in the Falkland Islands concluded ...” (a little poetic licence :-)
Jan 04th, 2011 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.................. and so it goes on, without change ............... nothing Argentina can do ........... unless they go to the ICJ of course.
we live in 2011 not in 1999 .
Jan 04th, 2011 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is always good to reflect the injustice happened in 1833 of the English occupation tossing to the native inhabitants of the islands and the off one I claim of sovereignty on the islands.
Jan 04th, 2011 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As the time passes and he/she leaves knowing in depth the problem, leave with clarity that the opinion publishes world, and in particular the British cubic opinion, goes with more and more with growing sympathy the fair one claims taken by Argentina in the world forums.
“native inhabitants of the islands”
Jan 04th, 2011 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. They werent natives.
2. They were allowed to stay.
Comparing the Islands to Palastine is insulting to repressed people all over the world. The only occupation of the islands was the 1982 invasion and the UN told Argentina to get out. They refused and the UK gave them a good battering to remind them to never again threaten to impose their way of life on people.
Jan 04th, 2011 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes Palastine and the Falklands are similar as they are both threatened by an aggressive neighbour who want to stop the people from expressing their rights.
Raul - I'm sure you've got all the right words, but not in the right order (sorry Morecambe & Wise :-)
Jan 04th, 2011 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0178 years and Argentina still cannot get its history correct - but then some people never learn
What exactly is Argentina saying here? I don't actually see anything, someone?
Jan 04th, 2011 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These “understandings” which involved fishing, petroleum air flights to and from the islands.
Fishing agreements - not in use because of Argentina.
Petroleum agreements - revoked by Kirchner
Imposed controls on shipping - From Argentina
A national ban on charter flights to the Islands
All written in the post they are using to ..complain? Was this released by the Argentinian government? this is very embarrassing for them.
and a happy new year to you to Argentina! Another anticipated new year tantrum. As Falkland Fred remarks, Argentina failed to uphold the spirit of the 1999 Agreement, and the belicose and beligerent, and appaulingly rude, Kirchners simply tossed it all to wind and withdrew from accords signed off by their rather more far-sighted predecessors in 1990 and 1995. In the long run, these Argentine tantrums bode better for the Falklands, and illustrates to the world that not only can Argentina never be trusted, but that at the international level Argentina treats with contempt bilateral accords signed with the UK which were subsequently deposited with the UN Sec General's good office. And it is true #3 we now live in 2011 and not 1999 - thats 12 years of Argentine failure to meet living memory obligations. Just how can you be trusted Argentina?
Jan 04th, 2011 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes we live in 2011 and not in 1833. It is the islander's wishes that are of primary concern in 2011.
Jan 04th, 2011 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argie posters are obsessed with 1833 for some reason. Find me someone from 1833 who was wronged and is alive today then I will petition my MP to take their argument to the UK government.
Don't see any Argies offering to apologise to the Islanders for 1982. Probably because they are a bunch of cowards and cannot accept responsibility.
Only agreement working today since ´90 is the weekly Lan link that flies over argentine continental territory. is this comuniqué a warning about that?? I think so.
Jan 04th, 2011 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 When there's some representatives from South America, it will be done :) Remember that this is 2011.
Jan 04th, 2011 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10 “ It is the islander's wishes that are of primary concern in 2011.” I don't see that Chagos inhabitants are neither primary, nor secondary concerns in 2011 or any year. They're still wanting to return to the inlands. Aaaah, but you're white and British, and they're black, dat right!
This is getting worse for the British invaders, one day you'll go to bed in Las Islas Malvinas but you'll wake up in the UK. You're still in the inlands just because you are part of the mafia that has been maniging global issues being part of the United Nations, but things are changing, that's why Southamerican countries and many others, are having a more important participation in global issues. Believe it or not :)
I “think” so too..............................Trapping down slowly though.
Jan 04th, 2011 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once a fortnight, would be more than fitting for such a questioned destination.
Billy, a hollow warning about the Lan flight if that is what it is. For a 3rd party country to stop a commercial flight overflying elsewhere - other than in time of war etc , would be a breach of International Aviation Agreements.
Jan 04th, 2011 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However we know Int Agreements mean little to Mrs K. - Her Govt has torn up/walked out of all the other ones - not us! But she knows also that this link with its once a month stop in Rio Gallegos each way is Argentina,s ONLY link to the Islands. Cut that - and no more visits here by Arg veterans,next of kin families, etc etc.
That link cuts both ways.
I doubt it Billy. We've been through this all before. There is nothing Argentina can do to stop planes flying from Pta Arenas, down the Magellan Straits and out to the Falklands.
Jan 04th, 2011 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any craft, civilian or military, has the right to sail or fly through the straits and there is nothing Argentina can do, because Argentina has signed and ratified the agreement which allows this: UNCLOS.
http://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part3.htm
How stupid can people pretend to be?
Jan 04th, 2011 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just a couple of extra slots at Ezeiza Airport are 100 times more valuable for LAN than that insignificant Punta Aenas-Mount Pleasant Airport route.
This is business....
And money is King
You expect someone to take “business” advice from an Argentine? Was that some kind of a joke Think?
Jan 04th, 2011 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Xbox. When have I said I agreed with what happened in Chagos. In addition if you think it was a lesson on how to wrong a population (which it was) then why do you want to depopulate the Falklands in the same way?
Jan 04th, 2011 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina bans commercial flights to/from the Islands
Jan 04th, 2011 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina bans shipping supporting the Islands,
Argentina goes crying to any country on the planet where it can offer trade in trade for ' sympathy' over the Islands,
Argentina refuses to believe any real history about themselves and the Islands,
Argentina cries like a little girl when we test fire a SHORT range missle in an exercise which has happened for decades,
we offer co-operation on development of hydrocarbon exploration and extraction...rejected
we offer joint management of fisheries....rejected
and we arent co operating? we have given the Islanders the option to choose thier own destiny, instead non stop whining like a baby with a toy taken away,
compel to the nature of the islanders instead of threatening them with economic isolation, they are Argentinas only hope if they want the islands back
Oh yeah elections next year the Rhetoric has been ramped up with a bang, i wonder who is trying to use the patriot flag in order to try and secure votes?
p.s Palestine is like Falkland Islands/Argentina?? that one is really scraping the bottom of respectability, what an utter insult to the palestinians...i wonder if they lived here rather than palestine, do you think they'd agree ??
If LAN stop their flights because some extra slots at Ezeiza Airport, we have DAP Airlines, wich was the first to link the Falklands Islands with P. Arenas, that is waiting to return there.
Jan 04th, 2011 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Business are business....!!!!
Think-if by fortnightly to a questionable destination you werre referring to the Lan weekly flight - you are out of touch, its a profitable commercial flight 52 weeks a year.
Jan 04th, 2011 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jupppp......
Jan 04th, 2011 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lan's profitable weekly flight “could”, sooner than you expect, become Lan's extremely profitable fortnight fly.........with “complimentary” stop-over in Rio Gallegos on every flight..............
LAN happy...
Argentina happy....
Argentina won't allow such a sensible thing, not on an election run-up unless they plan to fake a 'missile' hit by the evil british invaders
Jan 04th, 2011 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am sure the Argentine fallen could be repatriated
Jan 04th, 2011 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina happy
DANANG, Vietnam: Standing to attention in the hot sun, a Marines baseball cap over his heart, US veteran Alan Segal watched as an honour guard carried the flag-draped coffins of his fellow servicemen onto an Air Force plane, taking them home 34 years after the Vietnam War ended.
don't cry for me UK
Jan 04th, 2011 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0singers are the Malvinas Chorus .
Argentina keeps to Agreements just like Nazi Germany used to do. Come to Think of it didn't a lot of German and Italian Facists flee to Argentina after the Second World War.
Jan 04th, 2011 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone would think there's an election coming....!
Jan 04th, 2011 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(I find it astounding that CFK talks about unilateralism and the 1999 agreement in the same breath!)
I congratulate the Brits' new and bright years of between 1833 --1999 !
Jan 04th, 2011 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oooooo we must accept that UK are more smarter and bold than US at grabbing of islands .####
Jan 04th, 2011 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(#) 29 ....you forget Hawai,Puerto Rico, Diego Garcia !
Jan 04th, 2011 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0both are island hoarders .
No arquero, just generally smarter, bolder and a lot more guts.
Jan 04th, 2011 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You tried to grab and ended up running away!
Beef and Redhoyt
Jan 04th, 2011 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since 1833 we could not see any apology from the pirates when they took our people of the Malvinas Islands Argentina, What are you talking about!! man. Argentine and South American all will not see a single brits arround the Malvinas, but we want to see all the brits to 14000 milles from Malninas Islands! It is understood and done with such nonsense comments .... Now we are in 2011 and it is finishing the colonies, and the same Brits know about this! The time is ending!
@32 Talking for all of South America?
Jan 04th, 2011 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Talking of distances also
Isla Martín García is an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The enclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters
Kiwi - so you want Brits out of the Islands. But what about the Falkland Islanders. Yes we are in 2011 so the islanders have the right to decide their own future. If you don't agree then I suggest the ICJ.
Jan 04th, 2011 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The other option is to kick us out but no reason to see why your abject humiliation in 1982 wouldn't be repeated.
@22
Jan 04th, 2011 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“..with “complimentary” stop-over in Rio Gallegos on every flight..............”
And how would that help the flight be 'extremely' profitable think? the trouble of landing and taking off on a broken down, weed encrusted runway at that shithole Rio Gallegos (yes I've been there on several occasions which is several more than you have Think I'll warrant) so that 1 or 2 passengers can embark/disembark....doesn't sound that tempting to me from a business point of view.
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Jan 04th, 2011 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't play the “dumb farmer” on me......
Save it for the whennies....
They love it....
I understood that (in your opinion) we were all dumb farmers Think....or implanted employees of the British Government of course.
Jan 04th, 2011 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway do I malign Rio Gallegos? nope.....or misrepresent the business burden it is for LAN on their Punta/MPA route? nope again.
Kiwi'sarse - you still know nothing of the real history. Only the trespassing garrison was removed, the settlers stayed - good move for them and there ancestors.
Jan 04th, 2011 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can threaten, it can be a nuisance - but there is nothing it can do to get its thieving hands on the Falkland islands. The British have dealt with blockades before.
As for the flights - well what would Chile's attitude be? They are no great fans of Argentina and I seem to rec all that their current President enjoyed a recent visit to the UK and is a major shareholder in LAN.
I can't really see that mad lot over the water messing with the LAN flight again. Stopping their own veterans visiting the cemetary would be an own goal of epic proportions. And very cruel. Actually, come to think of it, they just might.....
Jan 04th, 2011 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Beef.
Jan 05th, 2011 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm talking about the Brits out. The islanders would be fully accepted as Argentine citizens with full rights and authority but under our jurisdictions and part of Tierra del Fuego Pronvice. I am quite sure that the Malvinas Islands Argentina with a more fluid connection with the mainland would be more important economic level for the islanders. New Zealand has implemented new techniques in differents area as farm, sheep, milk, fisheries, tourism, Constructions, sport, etc, etc ... and all this would be totally much easier as part of Argentina than 14000 miles to be a bloody colonial nineteenth century. On the other hand Argentina each year would still impose further restrictions as all South America to stop and block the Malvinas Islands. All this would be very hard for the islanders. Is the best time to talk and sit down and seriously talk to Argentina and Uk
Kiwi,we have some of the top squid scientists here. Our agriculture experts train in New Zealand, and our sportsmen and women travel all over the world to compete. Stop assuming that we are backward hillbillies.
Jan 05th, 2011 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course we'd like a normal relationship with the coast, but the price you are demanding is too high. We don't want to be 'accepted' as Argentine citizens, because we aren't Argentines. Your making it 'hard' for us makes us more determined.
@ 40 “I'm talking about the Brits out. The islanders would be fully accepted as Argentine citizens with full rights and authority but under our jurisdictions and part of Tierra del Fuego Pronvice.” Great, macho, con eso a las chicas las pusite locas haha, this is what I call being assertive, you seriously kicked British arse haha
Jan 05th, 2011 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0you hit the nail on the head there Monty, try offering the islanders incentives rather than threatening them with blockades and sanctions etc, if you like someone you dont break thier legs to gain acceptance...Argies will never get it , not while bonkers peronists are in power
Jan 05th, 2011 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kiwi'sarse - you really think that's a good deal? Idiota!
Jan 05th, 2011 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why on earth would the islander's wish to be Argentines when they have a choice between being British or being independant?
EXbrain - still smoking that sh*t ?
38-44 Redhoyt (#)
Jan 05th, 2011 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0What are you talking about !!Please Could you read the newspapers , there is a growing support to the South America countries to Argentina.It is a cuention only of time and could be harm the Islanders, so Mr, you are at 14000 miles and you think that typing all the time complaints is a big Pirate's solution, You wrong!!!, man! Please, with much education as Argentine I say you stop drinking whisky, It is doing you no good....
42 xbarilox (#)
Yes!!! we want the Brits out of the Malvinas Islands Argentinas ... and this is not macho, this is going to happen over time!If! we want the Brits out of the Malvinas Islands Argentinas ... and this is not macho, this is going to happen over time! this is our dream of Argentine walked again our Argentine Islands but in peace, just that!!!
Think- why oh why would Lan want to go to Riogallegos more than once a month? 10 months of the year there are 0-2 or 3 pax there, mostly O pax! Nov there are 6-8 or so so called “vets” who mysteriously come over same week as remembrance Sunday here - an event that means NOTHING in your country - but surprise surprise there is always a “minder” and a camerman with them to do the pices when they meet the brit veterans who come down at that time of year because of Remebrance. Then of course the April flight when traditionally a group of allegedly “veterans” come over and often deface and desecrate war cemeteries and battlefield sites here.
Jan 05th, 2011 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0You talk about Lan wanting money - the only attraction for them in landing in RG is that sometimes the fuel is cheaper there so they fill the tanks!
Also how could it be better to make money with ONE flight a fortnight instead on making money every WEEK with one flight a week as they do now?
41 Monty69 (#)
Jan 05th, 2011 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ok! I understand. But you and all the Islander should think of an option to sit with Argentina and Uk for the good of the Islander and the future for the Malvinas Argentinas Islands
Kiwi'sarse - I read a lot of newspapers from all around the world, and Argentina figures in very few of them, and the Falkland Islands even less. Growing support won't help ... it's tenuous and local. Take a look around the world at the big boys overseas territories and you'll find that they all got them and won't be letting go anytime soon. You lot live in a fantasy land where Argentina's spurious version of history is only beieved in South America and then hardly.
Jan 05th, 2011 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing will change, not in the next decade or two and probably a lot, lot longer!
Kiwi - what you want you will not get. If you can dream but not make dreams your master, you will be a man, my son!
Jan 05th, 2011 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is up to the Islanders to determine their own future and you are giving them little incentive to take a different course of action. It would be nice to see some progressive policy from Argentina but all the Islanders appear to get is hostility and rhetoric.
So what if South America wants one thing or another (and I have yet to see any actions to substantiate all of the verbal drivel).
If you want to change the status quo then there are three option.
1) ICJ - something your leadership are scared to do as they do not wish to embarass themselves. The Kosovo case has also made them see what the result would be.
2) Negotited transfer - Islanders have to agree to this and considering the contempt you show to them it is no surprise they want nothing to do with you.
3) Military option - been there and failed before and Argentina would fail again.
The only other option is to accept he present day reality and start to treat the Islanders like human beings. Cooperation is the secret to prosperity.
Now grow up and drop the self pity.
(49) Beef
Jan 05th, 2011 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nope........ It is NOT up to the Islanders to determine their own future.
Not in those Islands....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTIxgmnu2mM&feature=related
Think - you are telling me that you take George Galloway seriously. Sure his performance in from of the US senate was spectacular but you really want to use the opinion of a man who openly said that he admired Saddam Hussain? Gosh you do go for the despotic types don't you. Also I think his impression of a pussy cat in the Big Brother house was one of the pinnacles of his career.
Jan 05th, 2011 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your choice of political class is somewhat wanting!
Lad….
Jan 05th, 2011 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Before I listen to Mr.Galloway’s clip, I didn’t know who he was.
Then I read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Galloway
Maybe you should too instead of relying on the tabloids…
Anyhow, it’s his opinions and the opinions of the others on that clip that are of interest.
Spoken like a true Marxist, unable to accept an alternative perspective. They are entitled to their opinion but are not the opinions of those who do not share your view also on interest? Obviously not and it is clear why you are a supporter of CFK. Presidential decrees and seeking control of the media appear to be norms in democratic Argentina and some other of your SA neighbours.
Jan 05th, 2011 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0I care not for the opinion of a man who says “would you like me to be the pussy cat” on live tv. It should be on YouTube see if you can find it
#50 Well done Think, wrong again!
Jan 05th, 2011 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0If it came to a straight punch up at the UN between Britain and Argentina what would be the question that would be referred to the ICJ.
My money is on - “ Do the Falkland Islanders have a right to self-determination under the UN charters?” - or something akin to that.
Wonder what the ICJ's response would be ?
Galloway's a clown ....... bit embarrassing realy :-*
Mad as the botox queen
Jan 05th, 2011 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-D5XoNWFSQ
(54) Hoyt
Jan 05th, 2011 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can see your problem…………..
You may invade countries, kill people, disregard any sense of ethics, and be completely cynical......
But for God’s sake, don’t ever be embarrassing…………..
Brainwash anybody?
But for God’s sake, don’t ever be embarrassing
Jan 05th, 2011 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or bias
It said: ”The broadcaster failed to engage or debate with any point of view that was contrary to the view presented by George Galloway.
A proper Argentine is our George
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/george-galloway-tv-show-rapped-for-bias-2140867.html
Invade countries, kill people, and disregard ethics. Stop talking about Argentina's 1982 approach to the Falkland Islands think.
Jan 05th, 2011 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think and George Galloway a match made in the despotic Marxist paradise. I suppose Think also admired Sadam Hussain's “indefatigability”!
Think - embarrassing is BAD! Killing people is just ...... life !
Jan 05th, 2011 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0But the point that you've missed? What would be the question, and how do you see the answer going ?
(58) Beef
Jan 05th, 2011 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I must admit that I grossly overestimated your wits lad.
Anyhow…
It was fun and, thanks to you, I learned a few things about that hysterical circus called AIM.
Have a nice life
This is the most laughable story relating to the Falklands that I've seen in quite a while. To compare the islands with Palestine while keeping a straight face makes the commentor look like a fool.
Jan 05th, 2011 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(59) Hoyt
Jan 05th, 2011 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“Think ……………… Killing people is just ...... life!”
Just a couple of rhetorical questions for your “cynical” you:
How many have you personally “lived”?
If none; how do you know?
If any; how’s life?
Just rhetorical questions.
Just think .............
Think ... you don't answer my questions ... why should I answer yours ?
Jan 05th, 2011 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think ...ing, all the time :-)
More on Georgie boy, Thinks Malvinas champion
Jan 05th, 2011 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The bitter election battle in the East End has spilled into violence, with extremist Muslims and anti-war protesters targeting George Galloway and Oona King.
Anti-war campaigner Mr Galloway was forced to take refuge from Islamic militants who denounced him as a “false prophet”.
The former Labour MP said “the police saved my life” after supporters of radical group Hizb-Ut-Tahrir clashed with members of his Respect party last night.
George Galloway, the scary clown
http://ezralevant.com/2010/10/george-galloway-the-scary-clow.html
(63) Hoyt
Jan 05th, 2011 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well…. You shouldn’t.................
Rhetorical questions are meant not to be answered.
That’s why they are rhetorical, lad……….
Keep Think King
59 Redhoyt(#)
Jan 05th, 2011 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ Killing people is just ...... life !”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Beefeaterdcu1.jpg
Amazing how despot countries forget thier own history isnt it....and when has the Falklands ever been Argentine??? Does Argentina go down re-writing history like Vladimir Putin is doing? to make Stalin look like a hero??
Jan 05th, 2011 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If I know anything about the Falklanders - it will take more than blockades and sanctions to stop them. God bless them!
Jan 05th, 2011 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hoyt, How come you did not have an opinion over the Desire Petroleum turning water into oil?
Jan 05th, 2011 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't be embarrassed to comment, look at Dr Beef, he lost his rear end investing in this company and he still comments anyway.
Get used to it :-)))
safer to put your money in a argie bank LOL
Jan 05th, 2011 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/55575/procedures-werent-adequate-bapros-president
well to be fair, we cant feel smug about the banking situation here can we, Goldman Sachs who practically created the recent global crisis, are now back in profit and got thier fingers in many pies once more.
Jan 05th, 2011 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MoreCrap - my shares are in other industries and oil prospecting is just a little too risky for me. As I've said before, I hope they find the oil and I hope they can extract it ... but it's a longwinded job with no guarantees. As I've also said, although Think doesn't believe it, if there's no oil then life on the islands will continue much as it has done.
Jan 05th, 2011 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Put your money in gold laddie .. far safer :-)
If I am not very mistaken it was the Americans of the USA who threw the Argentines off the islands in 1833 with the USS Lexington and not the British. The British only removed Mr Vernet (a Frenchman) and his cook and then repossessed the islands.
Jan 06th, 2011 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're mistaken, but we won't hold it against you, here's the real history
Jan 06th, 2011 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.falklandshistory.org/gettingitright.pdf
You're mistaken, but we won't hold it against you, here's the real history
Jan 06th, 2011 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/falkland.htm
Argentina was at civil war during 1833 and there was only a weak government which barely any province accepted. The so called argentinean occupation was a failed fishing settlement which practially starved to death until the British arrived to reclaim the islands after learning the Argentieans had landed there. Upto that point no one in the world recognised Argie claims, infact only the British , Spanish and French had claim, Argentinean claim as always based purely on proximity and nothing legal. If that was the way the world ran, we'd all be at each others throats in Europe.
Jan 06th, 2011 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tim. Vernet left of his own accord and lived in Argentina because he knew the americans were coming for him as he was a pirate and stole US navy ships.
Jan 06th, 2011 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0He never even wanted a Argentinian settlement anyway, he was constantly applying and asking for british rule
Argentina still complains to this day how we unfairly sent the garrison home and we was so mean to them.
Jan 06th, 2011 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina on the otherhand, greeted the poor souls with an execution when they got home.
they executed thier poor settlers? i hadnt seen that, wow, lol makes the claim even more silly!
Jan 06th, 2011 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The military garrison who was sent there, The ones who murdered there own captian and then tried to steal a british ship. Were shot or flogged to death when they got back to Argentina.
Jan 06th, 2011 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0The civilians were allowed to stay on the islands.
You'll find that MoreCrap's link goes to the web site of a British history teacher who has a disclaimer saying that he's probably made mistakes :-)
Jan 06th, 2011 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wireless' link is more accurate.
Many thanks for all your inputs and correction re: Vernet. I met Peter Pepper and have been waiting for his book, probably the most authorative person of the question of the Islands; this link is much improved over the previous one. I am 3xgt grandson of John Pownall Dale and my brother has William Pownall Dale's water colours of the Islands which he painted in 1852 approx. Copies in the Falklands Museum
Jan 06th, 2011 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentines still repeating their ridiculous claims l see. they really are tedious fellows. thought they might have made a new years resolution to be sensible but l can see thats not going to happen. some of them are right nasty little brutes too. wanting to get rid of us. l think that we had better prepare for“Total War”.
Jan 06th, 2011 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0With the current state of thier military, a total war with the cub scouts would exhuast them in days!
Jan 06th, 2011 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0(83) Cher Isolde
Jan 06th, 2011 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0And some of us are sweet 6'2 gentils wanting to get rid of you :-)
No “Total War” here dear.
Just “denial of services”
You better follow the Hon. Emma suggestion: Prepare a plot of land and get an extra pair of polytunnels going.
Furthermore, it would be wise for the the Hon. Jan to quickly implement a contingency plan to keep the young ones from the bottle and in the Islands.
You may also apply for a new AUG to replace your old FAL but……… that would just be pure overkill :-)
“denial of services”.
Jan 06th, 2011 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which in english, translates to: words.
No actions.
Let's get something totally understood. The Falkland Islands will come under Argentine sovereignty shortly before Buenos Aires and the capitals of any complicit countries are erased from the surface of the planet.
Jan 06th, 2011 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No Falkland Islander with the intelligence to pass a primary school examination would ever want to be Argentine. Just the word is a lengthy replacement for “sh*t”.
83 lsolde “l think that we had better prepare for“Total War”.”
Jan 06th, 2011 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isolde, how's that preparation for war is going?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkw2DdoskPY
At least the debate is becoming humorous!!!
Jan 06th, 2011 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'You better follow the Hon. Emma suggestion: Prepare a plot of land and get an extra pair of polytunnels going.'
Jan 06th, 2011 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is actually very sound advice. We shouldn't be importing things we can grow ourselves. In fact I'm just off to the polytunnel now to pick salads and berries.....yummmm. If 'denial of services' means we find the will to become less reliant on manky imported fruit and veg, so much the better.
One of my New Years's resolutions is to stop eating horrible imported meat and fish; we have some of the best of both grown and caught right here. Mr M has been heard muttering darkly about bacon and sausages but we'll see how we go.
Not sure I'm going to overcome my lifelong aversion to cows, but I'm working on it. Then we'll be pretty self sufficient. And better in every way for it.
The Islands has amazing natural resources ( not just any oil or lack of ) , more particularly renewable energies, amazing wildlife ...provided we dont overfish...but that is out of our hands with the Argies and North Koreans hoovering up anything that swims in the Southern Atlantic....
Jan 06th, 2011 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@88
Jan 06th, 2011 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argies got the jump on us
http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/821672-convicts-dress-up-as-sheep-to-escape-high-security-prison
(90) Monty69
Jan 06th, 2011 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Listen carefully lass………………………………
Don’t be such a BIATCH !!!
You can have all the Spinach-Ginger-Olive Oil smoothies you want but…………...........................................
Don’t deprive Mr. M. of his bacon and sausages !!!
This is the bestpiece of advice you’ll ever get :-)
92 stick up your junta. I trust these escapees will keep out of sight of anyone wearing Wellies or they will find themselves having a rogering good time.
Jan 06th, 2011 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 091 Y Draig , ”The Islands has amazing natural resources( not just any oil or lack of ) “
Jan 07th, 2011 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well. your British friends in Europe do not think the same way that you do:
”the chances of making cash from the Falklands may be as bleak as the islands look.”
R. Mason
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/rowenamason/100009134/another-day-another-falklands-oil-duster/
93 Think
Jan 07th, 2011 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr M is thinking of keeping his own pig:-)
@95 Thats cos the french and spanish are still bitter at losing them i.e the ones who created this lovely mess , along with your own lies of course :)
Jan 07th, 2011 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now be fair, you can' have a go at the French ( I don't believe I said that!) 'cos the French never laid claim to the islands, just set up a business there which they eventually sold on to the Spanish :-)
Jan 07th, 2011 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0The real problem lay with the fact that sovereignty was not dealt with specifically in 1771. Left open between Spain and Britain. If it had been sorted then there would have been nothing for Argentina to whinge about ... although somehow I doubt that that would actually stop them whinging :-)
Sorry , can't leave the French alone being a brit...but maybe the RG's are holding out that our government is stupid enough to sign up to this insane ' aircraft carrier sharing' deal , somehow i doubt the French would go to war under a Royal Navy banner whilst selling the RG's exocet missles at the same time...not even the French are that bad?...are they??
Jan 07th, 2011 - 04:17 am - Link - Report abuse 083 lsolde (#)
Jan 07th, 2011 - 04:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please!!!, Stop talking and go to work. We need people who work in the The Malvinas Islands and not talk crap like you're saying! What did you say! man ......... l Think That We Had Better prepare for “Total War”.
We believe in the The Malvinas Islands and we will continue demanding our land because we were seized by a bloody Pirates in January 1833. you understood! So Just have to wait for the pirates we continue stealing our resources of the Islands I think it is not much time because It is not oil there. The pirates are interested in these islands for some minor resource or as the approximate with the Antartica, Just it 's all ,man .. think before you say stupid comments!!!!!
No, they probably wouldn't. How much of the british public do you honestly think would be game for going to war for a french overseas territory?
Jan 07th, 2011 - 04:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not many.
Most people seem to misunderstand the point of the deal entirely. It's mainly to keep our pilots ability to work on aircraft carriers in the 10 year gap where pilots won't have chance to train as much. The carriers are a very small part of the deal, mostly it being our navys working together so the french and RN arent so overstreached all over the world.
The deal is a very good one.
“were seized by a bloody Pirates in January 1833”
Jan 07th, 2011 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you even realise the great irony is that the leader of your settlement was charged with piracy from not one but two nations.
I dont think they would let the truth get in the way of some tasty propeganda Zethee!
Jan 07th, 2011 - 04:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good advice Kiwi's arse - you should take it.
Jan 07th, 2011 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 100 Kiwiarg,
Jan 07th, 2011 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 01) only stupid comments to you man, as you can't have OUR islands.
2) you can“demand” as much as you like but we're not going to take any notice of you, you ignorant little twerp.
3) they are not your resources, nino, they are OURS. and we will do what we like with them.
4) you should do a lot of thinking yourself, man, before posting stupid comments.
Kiwisarg, Don't get Isolde mad! She's under PMS symptoms again.
Jan 07th, 2011 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O2mvuLamto
@ 106
Jan 07th, 2011 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what a KNOB!
105 lsolde (#)
Jan 07th, 2011 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think your comments are so aggressive, and should be more educated .. We are here to say and say differents issues without attacking anyone, Ok! and this goes for you too Redhoyt
You started making comments as...... l think That We Had Better prepare for Total War?.... I think anyone would go back as '82. or think about it again! You should be very careful to say these comments, these are out of place and I say to you with respect, Ok
106 Marcos Alejandro
Tanks! was so funny! Some comments like these make me crazy to see people and very aggressive assholes who say these things. just that!!!
108 Kiwisarg , You're welcome.
Jan 08th, 2011 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thats only due to the fact AG's have no capability to fight, you cant even get spares to keep more than a handful of fighters in the air, or a half dozen patrol ships out to sea, because its not an option you cant threaten anyone militarily hence all the pathetic child like punitive measures
Jan 08th, 2011 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argies go to war? they cant even get their cash machines to give out money LOL
Jan 08th, 2011 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/55739/bank-note-shortage-leaves-cash-machines-empty
@ 108 & 109. Moronic Marcos & Estupido Kiwisarg, the loco duo.
Jan 08th, 2011 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kiwi, baby, l couldn't care less if you think my comments are aggressive to you. You sound like an ldiot and are an aggressive asshole yourself just like your silly president.Get an education before you comment.
And as for you, Moronic Marcos, the plonker. lt is obvious that you hold women in contempt from your stupid remarks. are you perhaps a repressed homosexual? you seem obsessed with women's bodily functions.
but you got babykiwi giggling.(he might be too!)
You could have a point about their sexuality Isolde, given this:
Jan 08th, 2011 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2010/11/03/gay-friendly-buenos-aires-experiences-massive-inflow-of-homosexual-tourism
Isolde and WestisBest
Jan 08th, 2011 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice couple:-))))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBZ8GZQZhe4
(112) Cher Isolde
Jan 08th, 2011 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You drive us crazy when you talk like that!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW7mawvhnFg
:-))))))))))
Jan 08th, 2011 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0112 lsolde + Westisbest
Jan 08th, 2011 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's the education that you took of english people, Great!!!!You and WestsBest are a good English Culture example!!! very nice couple!
Marcos and little kiwi fruit, dance the Tango :-)))))
Jan 08th, 2011 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve4iKskz5B8
118 stick up your junta
Jan 08th, 2011 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice!! you are Great too!!!
Well that started something, didn't it? Personally, l don't dislike Gays, in fact a lot of them are nice people. They didn't ask to be born that way(or maybe they did, if you believe in re-incarnation!). Probably wasn't a good parallel to make. Anyway the point that l was trying to make is both Kiwifruit & Marcos are insulting ignorant idiots whose views and comments should not be taken too seriously. At least Think doesn't lower himself to their standards too often.
Jan 09th, 2011 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Great video Cher Think, but a bit obsessive don't you think. Morticia looks lovely.
lsolde:
Jan 09th, 2011 - 02:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Should have seen them when Argentina made same sex marrage legal. Along with nico a few of there heads almost exploded.
(120) Cher Isolde
Jan 09th, 2011 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bit obsessive?............................................. Naaaaaaaaaaaaay
That's just the way we Argies are; adamant, determined, firm, persisting and resolute :-)
You forgot cowardly Think
Jan 09th, 2011 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/invading-the-falkland-islands-was-a-cowardly-act-says-argentine-president-472543.html
@122
Jan 09th, 2011 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0....and above all, habitual liars.
“ ... That's just the way we Argies are; adamant, determined, firm, persisting and resolute ...”
Jan 09th, 2011 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0and confused :-)
Listen Guys.......
Jan 09th, 2011 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm talking to the lady....
Would you mind?
:-)))
A real lady, or the one in your head?
Jan 09th, 2011 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British Government questions present relevance of Argentina.
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