US Air Force plane cargo triggers serious Argentina/US diplomatic incident
Argentina presented a formal protest to the United States embassy in Buenos Aires over the incident of a US Air Force plan that landed in the country last Thursday with alleged undeclared military equipment.
In the protest note Argentine Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman urged the US government to assist local authorities in the investigation, called for an official apology and warned that the seized material would not be handed back.
“For the sake of Argentine security, they owe us a response” he stated and indicated that “this was not the first incident of such nature.”
“The last time this happened it didn’t grow to become a major incident due to the intervention of US ambassador to Argentina Vilma Martínez,” he explained.
However Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs Arturo Valenzuela described the situation as “puzzling and disturbing” and said that the incident has been “blown out of proportion, when it should have been solved in a much more respectful way”.
Mr. Timerman clarified that he is not accusing the US government, but “he is asking them to help Argentina maintain security in the country.“
”If they helped, the investigation would go much smoother.”
The Foreign Minister also stated that Argentina “was never disrespectful to the US,” and urged authorities to “acknowledge their mistake.”
“They were trying to bring warfare material into the country without letting us know”. He added “all they have to say is ‘We’re sorry’”.
Mr. Timerman continued to say that the US should not try to bring unauthorized material into the country without letting authorities know, and said that he had delivered an official letter of complaint to the US embassy in Buenos Aires.
Among the unauthorized items Mr. Timerman described “a briefcase containing morphine and psychotropic medication, highly-sensitive communication devices and a letter that read, in Spanish, ‘I am an American soldier, let my country know I’ve been arrested’.”
He also added that the plane was carrying a “chest full of expired medication,” and wondered: “what were they trying to do with that? Why was that on the plane?”
He clarified that the seized items “will not be returned, as any other country wouldn’t”.
The material seized from the plane’s cargo included “software, security information, weapons and narcotics,” all elements that according to the Argentine government, had not been authorized or listed by the US government.
The cargo, mostly weaponry and ammunition, was meant to be used in training for officers from Argentina’s Federal Police GEOF special operations group.
Valenzuela said that the way local authorities treated US personnel was “improper” adding he was surprised the matter hadn’t been discussed in a more respectful way”.
He also said the US government would “ask for the seized material to be returned.”
Regarding the material seized by local customs authorities, the secretary said that “what the planes usually carry are a large amount of equipment that has been previously discussed with Argentine officials,” and added that, after discovering certain discrepancies, the matter should have been discussed and resolved without these excessive accusations.
At the same time, Mr. Valenzuela said that “the US never intended to break any Argentine laws.”
“All we wanted was to perform some constructive, respectful joint work in an important area such as hostage-taking,” he said, adding that he was “saddened to see how the situation had escalated into excessive accusations.”
Earlier, a spokesperson for the US State Department had said that ”the training had been previously arranged between US military experts and the Argentine Federal police and was approved by the government of Argentina’s Ministry of Security and the Foreign Affairs Ministry,” a spokesperson for the US State Department said.
Regarding the local government’s seizing of sensitive material, the State Department assured that they were taken after an “unusual and unannounced search of the aircraft’s cargo.”
“The actions taken by Argentine officials involved in this incident are puzzling and disturbing,” the State Department’s spokesperson said, adding that the material was inappropriately seized for which they are seeking explanations from the local government.
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I bid anything if they where Mexican in USA or Colombian military USA would use the excuse to blow them out of the map, maybe they should be bared from ever landing in Argentina, I think something like this happend already in 1833.
“morphine and psychotropic medication
The material seized from the plane’s cargo included “software, security information, weapons and narcotics,” all elements that according to the Argentine government, had not been authorized or listed by the US government.”
Your forgetting something - Your Government invited them there to help train your police, the US being the helpful type they are, get it their efforts to help train your police thrown back in their faces. Seriously is that how you argies thank your friends for their help. If so, then then am surprised you have any friends at all. Oh but i get it, you didn't like the fact that Obama wont be visiting so this is the Argie way of making your feelings clear. Pathetic really isn't it.
And i fail to see any comprison to what happened in 1833 in the falklands either. the nearest comparison i know of is 1982 when we brits kicked your arse's and siezed your military equipment that you illegally took with you to the falklands. :) lol
“what can you say?”
Nothing we need just some secret codes, encrypted software and com devices to make some calls.
Ring, ring Obama are you there?
Haha
“The treatment of these brave US servicemen who have probably seen action in Iraq and Afghanistan is an absolute disgrace.”
ROFL! What makes it “probably”? Because you want it to be so?
There are no brave US servicemen, they're mostly just teens who need money for college, can't find work in the private sector, or want to kill something. I was in the US military, I know. See, I'm speaking from a point of experience, while you're just speaking from out your ass, as usual :D
That I very much doubt, more like, well, out of your ass. The “Cubs” or “Boy Scouts” don't count for anything. Another Walt claiming to have some. Pathetic really.
Do you know the US personnel in question? No you don't, so what gives you the right to accuse them of not being brave, to accuse them of being teens in need of money, or wanting to kill something? You have no such right, as your experience is yours alone and it doesnt give you the right to to accuse those that face incoming bullets and IED's on a regular basis on tours of duty to protect your Country, while you sit on your ass at a computer typing shit and enjoying your freedoms, that without such bravemen as the US personnel your refering too and those in 1942 (some as young as 16 years old), you wouldn't have such freedoms. You where in the US Military you say? Some how i doubt that. As one thing, no service man would speak of others so disrespectfully. Are they brave? Yes. Are you? No your just a pathetic excuse of a man.
“last country they want to annoy is the US”
Who gives a rat dude.
1 - no i am not related to Fredbc
And 2 - am sure you argies will give a rat or 2 if you piss of the US for them to change their stance on the falklands to support the UK's claim.
but the very words in that statement reading
[highly-sensitive communication devices and a letter that read, in Spanish, ‘I am an American soldier, let my country know I’ve been arrested’.”]
this tells me its not against the British, so forget it, but that statement usually is used by special opps, and if USA soldiers get caught in someone else’s country, if I was an Argentinean citizen I would be very worried,
just an opinion ,,
Yeah, you thought the same thing in 1982 didn't you! But look what happened then, you got your arse's kick big time! So its safe to say you will get your arses kicked again next time, only next time we will probably finnish the job once and for all!
We don't want this in our country:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=H20cedylQAo
Not sure what kind of button you'll be pressing in Canada anyway.
Keep taking the medication, you pathetic specemin.
Ooooh....You're a really scary internet warrior aren't you? I honestly did laugh out loud at your post, you've certainly put the fun back into fundamentalist.
:-D
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Vernet
this threat is much more real then we think, let us never forget what the USA did to help the british in 1833. good thing this guns and drugs were found before they planted them in Argentina.
Hopefully ???? lol
As for the Falklands, bring on and lets see whos crying at the end of it. but then Argies are very good at crying arn't they, so i think we already know who will be crying at the end of it, as it sure wont bet the islanders or us brits.
P.s. its also my proffessional opinion that you seek psychological help ASAP, as i do get the impression from your posts that you are suffering from Schizophrenia - given just how much you have lost touch with reality!
“Your Government invited them there to help train your police, the US being the helpful type they are, get it their efforts to help train your police thrown back in their faces.
Seriously is that how you argies thank your friends for their help”
No, no, no this is not philanthropy, US offers the training under a program training exchange “you train some of our police we train your soldiers” and is not free this cost 2m dollars.
Here Argie commando training Americans soldiers, Peruvian and Brazilian. $$$
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec9zuv7k4_Y
Argentina has enough issues with guns and drugs, but then again, it's better to blame someone else, after all, it is the argentine way.
Well NicoDimwit. Its funny it the video thats there is no amercan solidiers, just argentinian, brazinian and peruvian. Also i doubt the Americans would beable to understand what the hell the instructor was saying either.
As for the US offered training of your police in exchange for argentina training their soldiers. RFLOL, Seriously! Why onearth would the US need their Soldiers trained by argentinians when the US soldiers are the most advanced trained fight men in the world.
I think you will find it was your Government that agreed to the US training your police and as such they invited the US in to your country to do so.
I always knew you were dim Nico but that video where you claim argentina commando is training US soldiers is just prove of your a dimmer that i and no doubt the rest of us here originally thought LOL!
“I always knew you were dim Nico but that video where you claim argentina commando is training US soldiers is just prove of your a dimmer that i and no doubt the rest of us here originally thought LOL!”
Wow Oh! What am I going to do now? FredMex2 haha
At least you don’t understand English (especially American) or you don have your speakers turned on or may be are partially or temporally deaf or you had suddenly turned blind.
Its is quite clear that those soldiers on the left are Americans with a translator in the back.
“When he says fuego you fire the target” When you have it down let it go” he said to the other Americans.
So my question for you is where are you from Mexico? I think even the more dummy brits will recognize American accent on the fly. And for an American would be much easier. Don’t you think so?
Here the description of the scene:
1- The instructor is an Argentinean commando training these soldiers on urban combat tactics.
2- The 4 soldiers on the left (with beige or brown light vest and same colour the boots) plus his translator are Americans.
3- The other soldiers on the right in the same line are Brazilians easy to know as you can see the Brazilian flag on their uniforms.
4- The 2 other soldiers, one filming and talking to the camera and the other smiling and standing close to him are Peruvians.
“Seriously! Why onearth would the US need their Soldiers trained by argentinians when the US soldiers are the most advanced trained fight men in the world”
Really and how do you know that? Because you have read it on the Washington Post?
May be because since Vietnam US never won any conflict as expected.
Call the Pentagon ask Obama.
I don’t care really.
“you are as stupid as NicoDin looks”
What part of... I don’t care what you think you cannot understand little Mohammed?
And i agree, why did america need to bring in narcotics on the c-17? theres tonnes of the stuff lying around Argentinean air force bases anyay...could have just asked the station commander for a spare kilo ot ten.
Go on Timerman and Kirchner, really piss off America, Obama has shown real restraint with your bloody country, if it was Bush Snr , you'd be lucky not to be on its hit list.
Funny, the instructor looks like a peruvian officer given the red soldier badge on his right soldier. So kind of mutes your argument of american soldiers being trained by argentinian commando doesn't it. Also the vide was taken during the Panamax 08 joint excersies that invloved over 19 nations. and not only that who stands to benefit more latin american militarys, whos equipment is dated our in argentine case virtually redundant, or that of the well equiped US service men that do firing excercises shown in the video on an almost daily basis (and as such don't need instruction on how to do them from a foreign officer) and not to mention the us military being capable of defending the Panama canal by itself. So come on Nico Dim Wit who stand to benefit the most frm such joint training excercises?
www.southcom.mil/appssc/factFiles.php?id=66
As for
“May be because since Vietnam US never won any conflict as expected.”
Well tyou argies should know better than anyone that no war goes as expected, for example 1982 war over the falklands didnt go as you argies expected, did it now!!
And if you were trying to say the US has not won a war since Vietnam, then name those wars that the US didn't win as i suspect you will be surprised to hear that they did win.
Let's name a recent one: IRAK
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FokJMar_CM
www.naturalnews.com/021521_America_Iraq_Iraq_war.html
How on earth can you say the Iraq wars were not won, both were won. the 1st one was the simply to force Iraq army from kuwait, which is what we did (we being US, UK) second one was to remove saddam hussian from power and topple his government. which we did! so no we didnt lose, we won.
And again, i am not Fredbc i dont even no who frebc is.
www.amazon.com/Defeat-America-Britain-Lost-Iraq/dp/1582434034
That video has nothing to do with the “Panamax 08” exercise.
The place is in Argentina, the commando is an Argentinean easy to recognize for his accent
What you see in red on his right shoulder is not the Peruvian flag else is his parche or brevet (distinctive of de force he belongs)
parchesdelasfuerzasarmadas.blogspot.com/2009/10/armada-infanteria-de-marina.html
parchesdelasfuerzasarmadas.blogspot.com/2010/02/infanteria-de-marina-agrupacion_01.html
“whos equipment is dated”
And who says that? You? Haha
About Iraq or Irak
With your logic we can say that we won the 1rst war in Malvinas 1982 and lost the second. hahah
Who stupid you are
1-We took the Islands and defeated your garrison there- Invasion successful, objective done.
2-We removed the local authority and take control on the islands.
3- We pack and return back to main land.
Argies won haha.
You lose in Iraq and Afghanistan and you were and still are looking for the less humiliating way to get out from there and less impact over the US and UK international image. What of course is already ruined.
Accepting Reality: America Lost the War in Iraq
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYZEGot-xU4
www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12348.htm
The USA and Britain (the losers) don’t what to accept reality of how dummies and incompetents they are.
As for the video being pannex 2008 i think you'll find it is, as for then training in Argentina, well so what, each country most likely takes it in turns to host it you idiot.
As for US and UK losing Iraq and athganistan wars - Do you and Marcos seriously expect me of any other inteligent person to believe you just becuase they happens to be a book written about it being sold on amazon, and a few idiots (your relatives i assume, when it coms to no intelligence) have posted videos up about it on you tube off harry reid saying the war would be lost if tey continued to follow the presidents path back in 2007. Lol yeah Right but that was harry reids opinion that we would lose the war if things a new stragety was not used. But quess what just caos that was harry reids opinion, it doesnt mean we actually did lose the war, because in fact we won the war regardless of what harry reid's personal opinion was. As fo the Article you linked to, well that again is just a 3rd parties personal opinion, which fails to change the fact that yes we did capture baghdad, yes we did topple saddam hussain, yes we did topple his government and install a new government or the fact that irag army surrendered unconditionally.
And oc course you must have forgotten about President bush's may day victory in iraq declaration onboard the USS Abraham Lincoln - news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/2989459.stm
Well is a matter of point of views:
1- The war started in Iraq for WMD none was found (intelligence fail)
2- To bring stability and democracy to Iraq people, Iraq is big chaos, unstable and the people supposed to be the beneficiaries of your invasion ended up fighting against you. 2nd big Fail.
3- The war was marketed and expected to end in 2 weeks (remember?) another fail.
4- The Talibans continue operating from Pakistan, another fail sizing the war to other nations.
So Iraq and Afghanistan are like Vietnam nor UK or USA win else both lost.
“The Pentagon says that a total of 40,000 troops have deserted their posts (not simply those serving in Iraq) since the year 2000 to 2006” 50.000 were in Vietnam.”
“When President Barack Obama reassesses the progress of the U.S. war in Afghanistan in December, as he has promised to do, he will be reviewing a lost war. Although there will be no formal surrender ceremony in Kabul, none of the goals policymakers claimed to have in mind have been achieved, and the likelihood of achieving them is diminishing.”
Source The American Educational Trust (AET) founded in Washington, DC in 1982 by retired U.S. foreign service officers to provide the American public with balanced and accurate information concerning U.S. relations with Middle Eastern states
Very estrange for army wining a war.
The only one thinking that US and UK won those wars is you, mate.
For the rest of the world was a big lost.
@Isolde
I still love you
They certanly were not blazing glorious wins for either of the UK or US. We could be there for 100 and over years and i doubt it would fix the country.
However, “A military defeat is the ultimate acceptance of cessation of combat by an armed force brought on through exhaustion of the troops, complete loss of cohesion, lack of weapons and equipment, significant interruption of logistic support or loss of effective military command. It is usually followed by a surrender of forces to the victorious enemy.”
This has not and did not happen in any way shape or form. You are also talking someone who is a known idiot, Nico here is not the brightest bulb in the world..some of his more funny claims are loosing the Afghan war before we've even left. Himself Anthraxing the whole of the UK personally and the fact that he believes that living in a concrete tower block would shield him in the event of a nuclear attack.
steady on old boy ,
Lets see:
A-Objective of the war on terror war to capture Bin Laden, get rid of Taliban, Terrorist, bring stability to the region and make the world safe. That said from US and UK politicians.
But US& UK lost in every real sense. Soldiers have been fighting, dying since 2001 and 2006 and until today nothing was archived. There is no peace, no reconstruction (all is in chaos) and the conflict had expanded to other regions like Pakistan, etc. so more terror and threats and violence in the Middle East.
“exhaustion of the troops... lack of weapons and equipment”
“Exhausted British troops must not go straight from Iraq to Afghanistan”,
“Our mandate for action is finally exhausted” Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup
A senior officer told to Sean Rayment, Defence Correspondent, “British troops are exhausted”
“British troops in Afghanistan are exhausted and desperately short of helicopters, and there is no sign that the casualty rate will fall, according to accounts yesterday from officers on the frontline.”
Well clear this is a defeat nothing was archived and you have to withdraw the troops like.
So deny the facts that is very foolish.
see you guys later
i expect the falklands will still be british
You wasted an entire paragraph and didn't address my points. I never said it was a amazing stunning military victory. I said, if you would read what i said again. It was not a military defeat. Our troops were not beaten to the point of having to leave or die(A military defeat is what happened in the falklands.).
Quotes about troops being exhausted:
Another wasted paragraph. exhaustion of the troops that i mentioned does not mean the triedness levels of the troops, lol.
Military defeat by exhaustion of troops is what happenes when during a war one side of the war runs out of troops to fight the war so one side must surrender.
“Our mandate for action is finally exhausted:
The withdrawal of our troops is not because we have won or lost in any conventional sense”
You've missed the point of this article also. Honestly read the article you've googled before you link the quote.
Helicopters: Frontline troops will always want more equipment. This does not mean however they did not have any, nico. The forces did very well supporting two wars at the same time for years while equiping both places.
“have to withdraw the troops like.”
Incorrect. Argentina, in 1982 war forced off the islands. Your men surrendered and had no chance of staying had they not given up. That is a military defeat. Planning on leaving a war zone years in advance and then leaving when you've planned to is not a defeat. Our troops were never going to be there forever, you'd have to be an idiot to think they would be...You would also be criticizing us if we did plan on staying there forever.
Last. You talk about facts. Yet your whole post was made up of opinions.
You do realise, an opinion is not a fact?
54 Teaboy2 “And oc course you must have forgotten about President bush's may day victory in iraq declaration onboard the USS Abraham Lincoln”
Oh yes, I remember also the reason he gave to go to Irak: WMD. Never found, big lie that cost the dead of hundreds of thousands of innocents civilians.
Great job Bush and Blair!( dumb and dumber)
sorry Argentina perhaps next year lol
The “brain washing” now has a Act number “Ley Nº 14.222” in the Province of Buenos Aires and for those who can read Spanish click on the link.
jorgerudi.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/el-senado-de-la-provincia-de-buenos-aires-sanciono-por-ley-n%C2%BA-14-222-que-incluye-en-la-ensenanza-de-los-derechos-soberanos-sobre-la-antartida-y-las-islas-malvinas/
My opinion? Is your militaries officers, your govt, etc.
“Britain's most senior generals have issued a blunt warning to Downing Street that the military campaign in Afghanistan is facing a catastrophic failure, a development that could lead to an Islamist government seizing power in neighbouring Pakistan.” 2007
“military campaign in Afghanistan is facing a catastrophic failure” well chaos in Pakistan is already made.
“collapse of the government in Afghanistan, headed by Hamid Karzai, would present a grave threat to the security of Britain” wow more threats to Britain
“The criticism of the British operation in Helmand centres on its failure to establish security in Sangin – the town which has become totemic as the place that has claimed more British lives than any other in Afghanistan.”
“The UK military effort in Helmand, which has grown to 10,000 troops and a cost of more than £5bn a year, is criticised by top US officials, who fear the British have bitten off more than they can chew with Afghanistan's largest and most troublesome province.”
This is a complete failure of the British troops your own allies say so.
At least for you Afghanistan is a lost.
Argentina should understand terrorism and be prepared to help the global fight against it, instead of taking the morale high ground over events you show no interest in, until Al Qeada comes knocking on in Buenos Aires you'll all bury your heads in the sand and pretend its just a an american and european problem. Do non of you at least show any sympathy for the Madrid bombings and your Latin Spanish cousins? or do you hate them too?
For crying out loud, the thing is 55 feet tall! I've heard of hiding in plain sight, but this is overkill surely?
I never said YOUR opinion. I SAID AN OPINION IS NOT A FACT.
This is true, this is a FACT.
It may have been facing failiure. Most wars do, 1982 was facing a catastrophic failure.
But, it didn't. That's the fact. The rest is oppinion. it was you who said, i quote: “So deny the facts that is very foolish.”
And since saying so, all you've offered is oppinon.
Many of this “terrorists” were trained and armed in the past by the CIA to fight the Russians, didn't work very well did it?
one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter ?
Me prat? Ha ha
“Argentina should understand terrorism and be prepared... you'll all bury your heads in the sand and pretend its just a an american and european problem.... Do non of you at least show any sympathy for the Madrid bombings and your Latin Spanish cousins?”
Oh Yes Moham you are going to explain us what is terrorism hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
We have terrorism on our own soil for 20 years from the 1970 to 1989 thanks.
And where was US or UK or Spain on those days? Ah yes Spain given refuge to the terrorist, US pressing for human rights while financing one and other side to make thing worst, UK given Asylum to any South American terrorist arguing humanitarian reason and France doing the same.
So see this place (La Tablada) as is today www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtO42I1j3VM
And how was the life there 30 years ago.
Terrorist operating in shantytowns and poorest areas taking by assault over conscripts and using them as human shields. Civilians, conscripts dead, burned, etc.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=euoo_PI_hto
www.youtube.com/watch?v=toQfrAQkyiM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOCKZIkP9hE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT6ILVvRx88
Personally I don’t give a damn thing for the Spanish is not our problem my only concern today is Argentina and neigbouring countries.
And we welcome and give refuge to Any Irish form IRA, anarchist, Eta member, or whatever for humanitarian reason as you have done before.
Viva “La Revolución” but in Middle East, Europe and USA, any attempt here would be killed as a dog.
: )
@Zethee
“And since saying so, all you've offered is oppinon”
What would be oppinon? haha
But UK still lost, but your opinion is acceptable even though I think you are wrong.
Would be a spelling mistake. And i'll quote again:
“Criticizing someone's spelling or grammar on the internet is the last refuge of someone who doesn't have an argument.”
Clearly the case here. All you've offered is opinion. What are the facts? Fact is the US and UK successfully invaded and took out saddam hussein and conducted two major simultaneous invasions while keeping a very low casualty rate for nations in two wars. Left iraq when they wanted, when it was planned years in advance. And the other war you claim we lost, the afghan war is a war we are still currently involved in, it is illogical to believe that it's possible to loose a war that will not be over for another four years....When we've planned to leave...four years ahead of time.
Remember the war between Argentina and the UK. When your men were all captured and sent home, your nation forced to surrender? That's a military defeat nico. Now if your troops had stayed on the islands for 10 years then decided to pack up and go home, it would be a different story.
“Remember the war between Argentina and the UK. When your men were all captured and sent home, your nation forced to surrender? That's a military defeat nico”
Well is your opinion or oppinon haha.
We were in a hurry to attend other business and our vacation there were shorter than what we thought.
That’s all nothing to make a big noise.
“Criticizing someone's spelling or grammar on the internet is the last refuge of someone who doesn't have an argument.”
Ah! How are we descending to the same level of English now?. Have you noted that?
But don’t worry your English don’t bother me at all, Sir. Not everyone can pay education in Oxford like me. haha
Back to your “Criticizing someone's...”
Ok and doing the same to a not English mother tongue is the most stupid thing I’ve ever seen.
You can piss off someone like this www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg0WG2sPAa4
So in the future if you don’t want to be bashed and been treat as morons especially for me haha.
Stop using the language as a tool to avoid the point. And if you want to correct the grammar or spelling of someone you are welcome and with a... “Zethe Oppinon spelling is opinion just I thought to help to improve your English.” It is quite enough.
: )
“But don’t worry your English don’t bother me at all, Sir. Not everyone can pay education in Oxford like me. haha”
Well my friend, what can i say! If you went to Oxford like you claim above, you clearly got lost on the way to the History section in the libary, because if you had not of got lost you would equally aware of the true factual history of the Falklands as us Brits and the Islanders are. But then you are a DimWit so i would be surprise if you ended up in oxford street instead of Oxford itself.
Oh but then, i seriously doubt you even went to Oxford, and are just making up false claims to improve your standing and reputation amoung the online community here, that you are so good at destroy yourself with such DimWitted claims and comments :)
It's not an opinion, it's a fact. there is no way of getting around this. You was forced to retreat. It was a military defeat.
.....
“Stop using the language as a tool to avoid the point”
?! I can't believe you actually said this. That is classic, you're ENTIRE post centers around the fact that i made a spelling mistake because you have no argument. YOU'VE done exactly what you've telling me not to do here.
I care not for spelling mistakes. I make many, I do not mock others for spelling mistakes because unlike you, i can put up a decent debate without having to resort to mocking others spelling or grammar, which is why i quoted:
“Criticizing someone's spelling or grammar on the internet is the last refuge of someone who doesn't have an argument.”
This is true, and it is evident in your every post.
Teaboy2: This guy at Oxford? It's a joke of epic proportions...The guy who thinks a concrete building with windows would shelter him from a nuclear attack, Please.
To invade was easy, wasn't it? Then after the disaster of the British troops in Basra, forced to leave in a hurry and using the back door. But I have to admit your forces were very “brave” beating children.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEQMC4jdHNw
sure glad we never came part of your little not so great argentinian Empire
or we would all be licking our wounds after getting beat by the islanders ??
Again, if Argentina had any guts to confront anyone other than a small group if islands off the southern tip, populated by farmers, then you'd be in a position to lecture about wars in a land you have no idea about.
We do not confront anyone outside our country Argentina, Malvinas is part of it.
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jul/13/baha-mousa-inquiry-opens
argentina lives in democracy and chooses our way to resolve conflicts without wars.
Secondly, do i need to bring up the Argentine ' dirty war' ? if we need some facts about morality and torture, let's start there.
Thirdly, a few videos of stress positions, a few dogs barking at mhadi army guy's nuts, is about as tortuous as being out on the drink in a major city. If you lot captured a mass murderer, i think he might just ' vanish ' as well.
And im not sure about these 'Malvinas Islands ' you talk about, but i know some british Falkland Islands your nation managed confront outside your country...
Argentina lives in democracy and chooses our way to resolve conflicts without wars.
,,,,,,,,,
if this is so, then why do you refuse to except a democratic vote by free islanders to be British, or are we talking about Argentinean democracy, which is totally different from the rest of the worlds understanding .
you either have true democracy and freedom, or false democracy [dictatorship] that only accepts argentines’ point of view,
if its ok with you , I will still with the real thing .
dirty war has been judged twice in democracy too
im going to the theatre bye bye
170 years of daydreaming gringo.
enjoy the theatre my friend, you do know that it is a BRITISH invention dont you.
shakspear, where out their malen, ye falklands ye are still british lol
And the people LIVING there have been LIVING there for over 170 years.
you have never owned the Falklands & you never will. just because you claim something does not make it yours.
l could claim your house, but its not mine, its yours.
you are claiming my country, but its not yours, its mine(& my countrymen & womens).
-hope you enjoyed the theatre.
Do not seem too much explanation, for someone who won a war? Ja ja
Everyone knows that the Yankees and lost pomi in Iraq and Afghanistan.
That newsprint.
: )
@ Paint(Malen)
Responding to the English with some kind of argument is useless, I will repeat hundreds of times as well.
Best fun with a joke. haha“
Well NicoDimwit, posting in your native language is futile my friend as your not the only one that speaks it. Also Britian and the US did win the Iraq war. In fact, britian has not lost a war militaryly since the war of independence against british colonists in what is now the US, so technically war against fellow british people. We also did not lose the 1812-1815 war of american attempts to expand inot canada which resulted in the capture and burning of washington Dc including the whitehouse. The 1812-15 war was als fought whist the british were fighting the Nepoleonic wars that we won. In the early 1900's you have the boer wars, which were not a military loss either ende in more of a stalemate. so techinically britian has not lost a war for over 200 years.
As for your response to Malen that translates to ”Paint” of all words lol. well my friend if you provided factual counter arguments instead of made up nonsense then perhaps you would find yourself making more progress in your war of words with us, but atlas you can not so this war of words looks like another ar won by us british.
No doubt your post will be removed so i have translate what was translatable for the rest to respond too as well.
Papelón = print
So shower must be su espectáculo?
Hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Me not anderstand your traduction, deber mejora ud. su español senor.
and argentina is still the loser lol
Oh and the war's of independance and expansion in to canada, the colonial wars there etc...we were fighting france and spain as they backed up the american colonialists from the outset, if we hadnt of had an utterly insane George III, we'd still have had USA...well arguably gone independant the way Canada did after world war 2, ...anyway waffle blah etc :D
ooozes of charisma, charming kingsmanship, honest caring kind
donating to charity cases [Argentina] respectful polite , oohh to be British,
and Argentina still yearns cries and sniffles to be let in.
Sorry no room at the in for brits, haters, go back to your cells lol
Dear Sir,
I do agree with you that translators are not good enough to get the right meaning from a sentence wrote in other language.
Learning a language requires investing in education for many years, a lot of reading, practices and after you got some basic knowledge of the language, you need to experience it in the real world with nationals mother tongues in situ. That is the point when you arrive to the conclusion that all you have learned was not enough to make your shopping in the supermarket.
Seems my translator works better than yours. What do you think?
(yes l was a teacher).
2)Is it here people proud of killing 1.000.000 people in between innocent woman and kids in a war afghan war that is unwinnable said this by one of your ministers??
3) briton are malvinas still a colony.........clever great superior but without guts to support self determination in 21st century hummmm
“Did you write it yourself”
Yes, but with this English you cannot survive in London believe me.
“yes l was a teacher”
really?
Well I guess you have many potential clients here, like Briton and Teaboy2 haha.
My “may I go to the bathroom, please” turned into I have to take a .....
My “would you like something to drink” to “what do you have”
Underground turned into Tube
Pounds turned into Quids.
Leicester Square tuned into Luster square
Once someone told me that I speak like an old lady or a girl, this is not good for a man? Isn’t it?
Because I used Bottom instead of...
So with Got everywhere, what the F and the right accent voila you turn in the perfect English.
See it by yourself.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dABo_DCIdpM
has la vista baby,
1) You stole them first and that didn't make them yours
2) 1 million people killed by the British in Afghanistan? really? Where did you get that from?
3) The British do support our self determination. And we aren't a colony.
2) british and usa
3)you say you want to be british, not that you want self determination. anyway you are a special case as you are implanted people. you are an overseas territory of uk thats make you a colony.
We say we want to be British, and that is self- determination. That is what we want. You can't say self- determination is only allowed if we choose what you want.
And you can say we are a 'special case' if you like but that doesn't make it true. Implanted by whom, and how? How is an 8th generation Falkland Islander 'implanted'?How were any of us 'implanted'?
What do you propose happens to this 'implanted population'? How do you see things turning out?
self determination is being british in malvinas?? not being an islander??
well i dont understand that its up to you really original
i cant imagine me being spanish living in argentina we are different
neglectedwar.com/blog/archives/2034
don't mess around with the drug cartels.
Self-determination and becoming independent aren't synonymous.
“self determination is the principle in international law, that nations have the right to freely choose their sovereignty and international political status”
So, yes, choosing to remain British rather than become independent or a colony of Argentina is them exercising their self-determination.
Why should they be penalised for not declaring independence?
If Argentina managed to gain control of the islands, what would happen then? I would think that the population wouldn't accept Argentine sovereignty, and declare independence.
Campaigning against an old colonial power is one thing, but trying to subjugate a newly independent nation of the Americas to colonial rule is not going to gain much support.
a bientot Bebe.
@Malen, what a load of refuse you talk. l won't bother replying, Monty has done an excellent job of that. just---No Senorita, they are NOT your lslands, they are OURS.
“l was complimenting you on your English paragraph,not being sarcastic”
Oh! Thank you very much, lady.
: )
@ Bubba
Here your answer:
7 Teaboy2 (#) “And i fail to see any comprison to what happened in 1833 in the falklands either. the nearest comparison i know of is 1982 when we brits kicked your arse's and siezed your military equipment that you illegally took with you to the falklands. :) lol”
: )
Get right NicoDimWit, it was I's post in post #4 that started the Falklands debate here with her reference to what happened in 1833 as quoted below.
“And I conccur, sorry won't do.
I bid anything if they where Mexican in USA or Colombian military USA would use the excuse to blow them out of the map, maybe they should be bared from ever landing in Argentina, I think something like this happend already in 1833.”
So no it wasn't myself that started but your fellow countrywoman. Oh and falsely accusing myself of starting the debate, is defamatory - if only i knew your ID to take you to court and make you a poorer man than you already are, by sueing you for it. But hey, you argetinians are the experts when i comes to making false claims lol.
Yeah i know, am not taking them seriously as its kind of impossible to do that with the rubbish they come out with. Just wanted to see how NicoDimwit would respond to the prospect of facing legal action for defamation lol. Seems to have worked too, as hes finally shut up for once :)
I live in the Falkland Islands, not 'Malvinas', so I guess you're not talking about me.
Anyway, you say you can't imagine being Spanish. Well I can't imagine being Argentine and I don't want to. We are Islanders first, and the only way we can carry on being that is to stay British
You are wrong Mr Teaboy as always.
Law office of M. L Webber y associados International Affairs
Libertad 1072 3er piso CP 1015
Ciudad Autónoma de Buenos Aires Fax 4816-2689 Tel: 4816-2756
February 22, 2011
Teaboy2
Malvinas/Falkland
Overseas territory of UK.
Ref. Cease& Desist
Dear Messrs. Teaboy2:
Our office represents NicoDim in legal matters.
It has come to our attention that you are engaged in dubious illegal activities with the intention to defame the good name and honour of my client.
You are hereby placed on notice that our client intends to prosecute this matter to the fullest extend permitted by law unless you apologise publicly and cease and desist to continue with this behaviour.
In order to resolve this matter, without to take you to court, you must immediately agree in writing to do all the following.
1) Cease and desist from any future action that could affect the good name, honour and prestige of my client.
2) Deliver a copy from where you have publicly expressed your regrets for your actions. Mecopress.com would be just fine.
If we do not receive your written response agreeing to undertake the measures outline above by the close of business, Wednesday, February 23, 2011, we will be forced to refer the matter for further legal action, including but not limited to seeking an injunction.
The foregoing is not intended to be a complete statement of the law and/or fact relevant to this matter, nor of our client’s legal and equitable rights and remedies, and nothing hereinabove stated or omitted shall be deemed and waiver or limitation of any right, remedy or cause of action of any kind, all of with are hereby expressly reserved to our client.
Yours sincerely,
Martin Webber
And what exactly have i said to you or about you that is false? Ummmm nothing, unless you want to argue argentinas claim to sovereignty in court that contradicts that of british claims (though i dont think your goevernment would be pleased about that since they wont even goto the ICJ). Oh and the way, finanically i am a very very well off, so id be more than happy to take this case on, in fact, would you like me to start consulting my lawyers, or shall i contact mr webber first, who has no website that i can find on google (strange that for an international letter).
You do know that falsifying legal documents is unlawful and in some countries a criminal offense.
So bring it on NicoDimWit hahahahahaha LMAO
LMAO, i spotted the same thing after i had posted. I guess he really is Dim, either that or the name i have given him sounded so good he decided to being christened NicoDim. Or, even better, his so called lawyer (imaginary lawyer in my opinion) agrees that Nico is Dim also lol.
your claim is theft you know it we know the world knows it.
your claim is crap, you speak to the wind, farting all night
why don’t you sod of back to Argentina the land of no hopers, reply with your rubbish ..
the only reason you don’t like the British is because your jealous,
so stick that where the sun don’t shinnies
lf so you are happy to reap the benefits of living in Britain(as opposed to just existing in Argentina) but still have the nerve to come out with “l don't like the British”
lf this is so, then l invite you to leave.
Your country can claim all that it likes, but it has NO rights in the Falklands.
Then again if he is in Argentina, then he would like to come to the UK .
so that HE can claim his human rights,
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