Friday, March 25th 2011 - 04:15 UTC

Argentina recalls 35 years of one of its darkest periods in recent history

Thousands of Argentines took to the streets of Buenos Aires and other cities Thursday evening under the slogan “Memory, truth and justice” to evoke 35 years of the last military coup that left a toll of an estimated 30.000 killed and disappeared detainees.

Thousands march in downtown Buenos Aires

The march takes place when the head of the first military Junta that ousted the elected government on 24 March 1976, General Jorge Videla is in jail sentenced to life imprisonment and is facing another trial for the disappearance and kidnapping babies from political prisoners.

Humanitarian organizations among which Mothers of Plaza de Mayo and Grandmothers of Plaza de Mayo packed at least twenty blocks of central Buenos Aires Avenida de Mayo as they marched towards Government House in Plaza de Mayo.

They carried a 200 metres long Argentine flag and photos of the thousands of disappeared.

“We never expected to achieve what we have achieved”, admitted Hebe de Bonafini, leader of the Mothers of Mayo. So far 200 former officials have been sentenced and another 800 face trials.

“Trial and punishment to the civilian ideologues and accomplices”, read other banners carried by the march. The reference was to the civilians who under the Standing assembly of business associations, APEGE, called for the ousting of the Isabel Peron administration in 1976 and its replacement by a military government with civilian ministers in clue ministries as Economy, Planning, Agriculture, Industry, Central bank.

The master mind behind the political move was economist and farmer Jose Martinez de Hoz, currently under trial for alleged links to extortive kidnappings at the time including fellow businessmen.

Martinez de Hoz, members of the military Juntas and hundreds of other military and police officers benefited from amnesties under the government of President Carlos Menem in 1989 and 1990, but they were overturned when the Kirchner couple took office in 2003.

Under the new Argentine calendar March 24 is the National Day for the Memory, Truth, and Justice Holiday and calls on citizens to think over what happened during the last of the many dark and violent periods that Argentines experienced throughout history.

One of the most notorious torture centres during the 1976/1983 dictatorship, the Navy’s Mechanical School and its vast grounds have now been converted into the Memory Museum and conference halls for educational and cultural activities.

“Since the return of democracy in 1983, 200 people have been sentenced including all members of the military Juntas. Another 820 are facing legal actions including 400 already sentenced for at least one crime”, according to Argentina’s Prosecutor’s Office.

Another demand from the marchers was the “Identity restitution for the stolen children”. This refers to the over 500 babies kidnapped when born in captivity and fathered by disappeared detainees. So far 102, thanks to the persistence from the Mothers and Grandmothers of Plaza de Mayo have been recovered from step families and given their proper names.

During the seven year dictatorship, the military had over 500 official and clandestine detention centres where prisoners were systematically tortured, eventually killed and babies from pregnant women stolen, sold or given away.

The dictatorship came to an end in 1983 following on the 1982 Falklands’ fiasco when the military invasion of the South Atlantic islands was defeated by a British task force sent by PM Margaret Thatcher.

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1 Martin_Fierro (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 05:02 am Report abuse

2 Think (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 06:01 am Report abuse
To the Madres:

““We never expected to achieve what we have achieved”, admitted Hebe de Bonafini, leader of the Mothers of Mayo.”

But you did....
Thank you so much girls.............
3 ed (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 11:03 am Report abuse
....estimated 30.000 killed and disappeared detainees. ?

this not true , just distraction tactic.

would it be the mask of the Army's frame-up ,quasi Malvinas
invasion operation April-2-1982 !!??
4 Idlehands (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 12:29 pm Report abuse
The 'disappeared' are well documented - what evidence do you have that it isn't true?
5 artillero601 (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 01:23 pm Report abuse
@4 very simple and let me describe it as follows ..... 1. the guy that killed Gral Villar had a restaurant in South Texas (reported missing) 2. one of the guys that was responsible for crossing arms from Uruguayana to Corrientes (montoneros) had a night club in Reynosa, Mexico (aslo missing) 3. 4 people were found (also montoneros) in the earth quake (reported missing) in 1987 .... Do I continue? those are people that I meet in person . Can you discount those from the 30,000?
6 Typhoon (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 01:31 pm Report abuse
Wonder how many of those marching were on the junta's side?
7 Idlehands (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 01:32 pm Report abuse
It's not very clear what you are getting at? Do you mean the whole list of disappeared was a fabrication?
8 briton (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 02:38 pm Report abuse
Is this not how the others started, libya-Tunisia-Egypt-now Syria-Yemen
And others, still, this is only a protest march, is it not ??.
9 ed (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 03:07 pm Report abuse
#6-- Noone on the the junta's side here .

#7-- Exactly .!
10 artillero601 (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
@7 ... what I'm trying to say is that we had a war!! War against terrorism, the same war that the americans , british and other countries are fighting right now. In any war you have casualties so please Argentina don't give me the bullshit that all 30,000 (assuming that data is correct which i doubt !) are missing... some of them that claimed missing live somewhere else!!. That's what I'm saying! when an individual grabs a gun and kills policeman, innocent soldiers and kidnap people, those are not civilians , they are COMBATANTS !!
11 Think (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 03:21 pm Report abuse
(5) Artillero601

Very simple you say?:
1. The guy that killed Gral. Villar had a restaurant in South Texas (reported missing)
2. One of the guys that was responsible for crossing arms from Uruguayana to Corrientes (Montoneros) had a night club in Reynosa, Mexico (also missing)
3. 4 people were found (also Montoneros) in the earthquake (reported missing) in 1987 ....
Do I continue? Those are people that I meet in person . Can you discount those from the 30,000?

Very simple I say!:
Of course we can discount them!
Not necesary to name them by name. (Sweet of you to protect their privacy 35 years after:-)
We trust fully in the word of an Argentinean officer and a gentleman like you………..

30.000 – 6 = 29.994

But.......Please, please…..please........Continue the good work!
Only 29.994 missing now……..
I could give you some names..............................
12 ed (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 04:28 pm Report abuse
#10 right !

you all and i know that this social tumult has being only a mechanism.
the question is simple ;
why was the army attempt to Malvinas invasion -1982
to acquire the islands ? No ! then why ?
(a fake African country army doesn't even make this kind of operation)
the answer is complex.
13 WestisBest (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 05:50 pm Report abuse
The Answer isn't complex at all. They invaded the Falklands because they thought they could use the successful occupation to distract the Argentine people from what a mess they'd made of their own country....unfortunately for them and thanks to the British it was not successful and the regime fell because of that failure. I'm sure the British know that all your abuse on here is actually tongue-in-cheek and in truth you are all really grateful to them for nailing the lid on the Junta for you.

@10. were the Falklands a terrorist threat in 82 then? you're full of crap mate.
14 artillero601 (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
@13 i'm not talking about Malvinas at all !! and back then I did not agree with the operation BUT I'm not discussing that right now

@ Think ! when are we going to have the pleasure to send “the terrorist” to justice like they did it to us ???? Never! do you know why? because they are part of the existing government. Like I encountered a couple of people (missing) but very much alive , I'm pretty sure you cann find more somewhere else !! Viva la Patria Carajo !!!!!!!!!!
15 yul (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
(#)13 /

I don't think the Army was planning a militar operation for
social distraction while World Cup games there !

Precisely there was some honkeyponkey !

What an opportunity...what an opportunity for UK...

Falkland Islanders were granted full British citizenship from
January 1/ 1983 under the British Nationality ( Falkland Island)
Act/ 1983 !

converting the opportunity to grab....

You Islanders just have starboard not flag !
16 Think (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
(14) Artillero601

You say:
”Think ! When are we going to have the pleasure to send “the terrorist” to justice like they did it to us ????

I say:
You had your ”pleasure” boy……. From 1976 to 1983…… You certainly had your ”pleasure”.

You say:
”Like I encountered a couple of people (missing) but very much alive, I'm pretty sure you can find more somewhere else”

I say:
For each ”missing” you could find alive, I could find five unreported missing persons during the years you had the ”pleasure” of imparting your ”justice” on all of us.

Didn’t your comrades of the “Task Groups” (Grupos de Tareas) ever told you what they did when they got bored from the political prisoners?

Didn’t your comrades of the “Task Groups (Grupos de Tareas) ever told you how they went out hunting for some “fresh meat” in the shanty towns?

Didn’t your comrades of the “Task Groups (Grupos de Tareas) ever told you about the young “negritas”, “parditas” or “bolitas” they snatched to serve them mate, clean the fuc**** place, have some “extreme fun” and then make disappear?

Did they?
Did you?
17 GeoffWard (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 07:28 pm Report abuse
I am in two minds:

(i) I lived through and admired the work of Simon Wiesethal in remorselessly, and over a long life, hunting down his every last German/Austrian nazi until he breathed his last breath.

(ii) I lived through and admired the work of Nelson Mandela who, after many years of incarceration, pressed for the Peace and Reconciliation process after the amnesty followed the collapse of Apartheid in South Africa.

In Argentina - following, arguably, high-grade state terrorism - there is the worst of all worlds - amnesties, de-amnesties, amnesties, de-amnesties; freedom through forgiveness, punishment and incarceration, freedom through forgiveness, punishment and incarceration.

In Brasil, A Presidenta wants to overturn the amnesy afforded to all participants, but only to bring charges against the military side (lower-grade state terrorism?) - the terroristas/freedom fighters are given pensions for their contribution.

One-sided de-amnistification seems to be the worst of the worst of all worlds, but it is perhaps understandable because so many international terrorist/revolutionaries are in high government office in a number of South American nations.

Mandela has set the bar very high indeed, but can ANY South American nation clear it. It is, perhaps, just the sign of political and social maturity that the United Nations is looking for.

. . . . Time, I think to sit back and wait for my mate Forgetit to show me other sides to these many histories.
18 ed (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
#15 --

If you believe the Argentine Army -- Brits collaboration made
then you can't use -- opportunity-- word for Brits .

There could be a fragment of a strategy.

No one is virtuous monument .....even if they are soldiers .
19 artillero601 (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 07:52 pm Report abuse
@think .... do you want me to tell what they did to Aramburu?, Capt Viola's family , Genearl Reyes, etc, etc !! we can have this argument all day long brother . Bottom line, the Army did not start the killing , the “jovenes idealistas ” did. The president called the Armed Forces to destroy the uprising ...... where are Roberto Perdia, Vaca Narvaja, Mario Frimenich, Roberto Quieto now??? Free right ? why??
20 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
“We never expected to achieve what we have achieved”, admitted Hebe de Bonafini, leader of the Mothers of Mayo. So far 200 former officials have been sentenced and another 800 face trials.

Here is one.
21 yul (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
#18/ Ed .... why not !

#17/ Geoff... have you heard Rahm Alexander name
who was Obama's chief of staff , is mayor of Chicago nowadays !
do you want to search his family history ?
just a clue...go to Israel establishment years .........
22 artillero601 (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 08:00 pm
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23 Martin_Fierro (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 08:40 pm
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24 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 08:53 pm Report abuse
22 artillero601, There is no excuse for the horrible crimes committed by the military back then.
25 artillero601 (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 09:24 pm Report abuse
@24 there is no excuse for the crimes committed by Montoneros, ERP either !!
@23 ... Martin_Fierro (que no es tu nombre) te pregunto, quien empezo el quilombo? vos te acordas o no tenes edad para acordarte, and like you said, there is NO EXCUSE for Montoneros, ERP and Co for the crimes they committed either
26 Fido Dido (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 09:48 pm Report abuse
have you heard Rahm Alexander

You mean Rahm Emanuel. Yep, he's one of those “Chicago boys”. Geotard doesn't know his history, Like most people in the US, certainly not in Chicago, where they “Love” him like the Dayley family.
27 yul (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 10:21 pm Report abuse
Fido / pardon ! u true ..R.E.

search his Dr. dad...go to Israel infancy years !
28 Frase (#) Mar 25th, 2011 - 10:40 pm Report abuse
Kudos to the Madres for the work that they've done and continue to do. Condolences to those Argentine posters who lost friends and family under the dictatorship.
29 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 12:03 am Report abuse
25 artillero601 Well, Open the link below and you will see Menendez and Videla in the picture, they were sentenced to life in prison for their crimes in a legal court. They were not tortured in any way nor dropped alive from an airplane. If you had some issues with other groups of people you should've follow the law, no excuses.
30 artillero601 (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 01:23 am Report abuse
@29 is Mario Firmenich in jail? why is he loose? explain why? if we follow the law .... what law are we talking about? they follow the law of the Montoneros in power, correct?
31 Martin_Fierro (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 02:29 am
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32 artillero601 (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 03:05 am
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33 Martin_Fierro (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 03:41 am
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34 Think (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 09:49 am Report abuse
Good news…..

Carlos Eliceche, new elected governor in Chubut.

First victory in Catamarka….

Now victory in Ch(k)ubut …..

Four More Years for Kristina :-)
35 ed (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 09:54 am Report abuse
#26 + #27

my searchs say that ;

Rahm Emmanuel's dad was doctor ,Irgun mob member who killed many
people which one of them was 1931 British military headquarters King David Hotel attacking which killed 91 killed...also was a Haganah group member too...

This family has been highly expert on killing,kidnapping,identity exchange...etc have made many professional operations in Africa,
South America countries...

They have few companies which related car dealership,pasific
foreign US.

They seem as middle class in US accounts but have respectable fortune
at off-shore and Brits banks...

Now,he is on the seat of Chicago in the antiterrorist US.!!!
36 GeoffWard (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 10:13 am Report abuse
OK, Yul & Fido,
I'm familiar with Rahm, origins, Irgun, 'Stern Gang', creation of Israel, etc, etc.
What's the point you are directing me to? Are you asking me to chose between reconciliation or retribution into the next generation - surely not!
37 lsolde (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 10:21 am Report abuse
How terrible. have you any guarantee that this will never happen again?
@16Think, you are making me cry.
Think & Artillero601, lt takes two to tango, senors.
38 artillero601 (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 10:42 am
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39 Typhoon (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 10:48 am Report abuse
It's amazing. No-one was on the junta's side. And no-one supported the Falklands operation. All those tens (or more) of thousands of people celebrating in the streets were figments of the imagination. Selective amnesia. Very common in many psychiatric cases. No doubt explains why Argentina has so many psychiatrists.

Let us not forget that, had the unsupported Falklands operation been fully successful, i.e. had Britain not responded with military force, the next part of the plan was the seizure of the Beagle Channel islands already ruled to belong to Chile by the Court of Arbitration in 1977. Another “unsupported” action that would, no doubt, have resulted in dancing in the streets.
40 Think (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 11:28 am Report abuse
(37) Isolde

In may take “Two to Tango” ………. but those “lead years” where more like Odette’s solo performed by a mad Ronkedoor on an anthill.
41 artillero601 (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 12:16 pm Report abuse
@40 allow me to disagree Mr Think ...
42 Teaboy2 (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 01:56 pm Report abuse
@Artillero - You may well have been in the military at the time, and maywell have been following orders from the dictatorship. Though ultimately it is you that decides whether those orders are jusified, and am sorry but following orders from people killing their own people is wrong. You may feel that the people you were ordered to kill/fight were terrorist, but are you sure they were not just simple freedom fighters, fighting for the very values that you now currently enjoy and defend!
43 yul (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
(#)35 Ed/

True ! I didn't know their companies & money..just learned

but don't take off a detail which is the practicing of Qaddafi's
near elite guards & intelligence in Nijer by Israel and by them !

Let's observe how Nato will save Qaddafi ......what a racket !!!
44 Think (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 03:21 pm Report abuse
(41) Artillero601

An authentic Argentinean story…………………….

Hey Artillero…………..
You being such a good detective……….
Could you find me Marina’s and Diana’s babies?
45 artillero601 (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 03:32 pm Report abuse
@42 you are right but on every story there 2 sides ... we didn't start the fight . Started in 1962 and the cold war with Russia expanding the empire and marxism in Central and South America. This was not a problem with Argentina only as you know. I disagreed with the Junta (as you called it) to take over the government, our duty was to destroy the uprising and bring peace to our citizens. You as an English man (I think) condemned the attack on 1982 and I respect that but we are talking about 2 very distinct issues here. We fought for freedom, we won the war but we lost battle. Armed forces should not run the country period !!. Its a very complex issue that if you come to Texas, you are invited for a awesome BBQ to discuss it
46 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 04:41 pm Report abuse
artillero601 “if you come to Texas, you are invited for a awesome BBQ to discuss it”
Will this BBQ take place at a ranch in Crawford Texas by any chance?
47 Martin_Fierro (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 07:41 pm Report abuse
The “South Atlantic News Agency” that doesn't allow Spanish.

Prejudice and low standard “journalism”, Mercopress's defining attributes.
48 Teaboy2 (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
@47 - No Martin, mercopress is an international news site, hence the international section under the Regions tab at the top of the page. They like most newspapers that report international news prefer english langauge and as the site owners it is upto them what langauge is allowed for comments, and most prefer english.
49 Martin_Fierro (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
Blow me Teaboy

We weren't talking to you guys, insecure little man... you were probably the one who ran home to 'mum' and told Mercopress we were writing in Spanish.

You people are so sad...
50 artillero601 (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 08:56 pm Report abuse
people relax ... if we need to write in English we do that, not big deal
@46 ... i don't like Bush so the BBQ is going to be at my house , ok?
@Think .... the moment that “you people” send the killers of Gral Aramburu, Cnl Larrabure, Capt Viola .....and Tcnl Gonzalez Cutielos (heroe of La Tablada) to jail , I will help you find whatever you are looking for !!!!!!!!
51 Teaboy2 (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
Martin your post #47 shows your biased view against anyone writing in english or any other langauge other than spanish it also shows a complete lack of respect you have for people that do not know spanish and the rules of this site. Your second post #49 shows your childish arrogance and how quick you are to throw insults at people.

I was simply pointing out to you that the site is a global website, it is an english one hence www.en. at the start of the web address, and that merco press as a global news site based in south atlantic and they choose to use english as they are trying to establish themselves as global news agency. Critising me and throwing insults at me, for pointing that out to you is just childish and immature.

You say you weren't talking to us guys, sorry but as this is a public comment board you are talking to everyone that reads the comments. i do not mind you talking spanish as i can translate it, so it doesn't actually bother me what langauge you speak. I unlike you do not disrespect people for their choice of langauge so long as it is not insultive, vulgar or offensive.

Your reaction was simply way over the top. And as for insecure little man. Well am a multi-millionaire businessman (yep pretty secure financial and pyschologically) am 14 stone in weight, 6 feet 3 inches tall and a former amateur kickboxer (still practicing but no longer competitively). So lets see you call me a insecure little man to my face, and i'll show you just how wrong you are. You see i stand up to bullies like you and its funny how after 1 roundhouse to the head they either don't get up for a while or they get up and flee as fast as their legs can carry them.
52 Martin_Fierro (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 10:05 pm Report abuse
Yeah and I'm Jet Lee, you're probably 5'2.... run along and tell your mum I was mean to you, run... and if you're ever in the US you let me know.

South-atlantic news my ass
53 artillero601 (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 10:16 pm Report abuse
@teaboy ....what Martin was saying is kind of weird to talk another countryman in English. We feel more comfortable speaking in our native language. Now, if you guys want go at it , that's a different issue. Differences a part .... are we still on with the BBQ?? lol!!
54 Martin_Fierro (#) Mar 26th, 2011 - 10:21 pm Report abuse
lol artillero, hey where is the bbq???

Uh, by the way... I thought Mercopress was run from Uruguay. “the site is a global website, it is an english one hence www.en”

I knew all along it was a Brit site, it's just funny how you clowns keep contradicting each other, senile dementia I guess.
55 Frase (#) Mar 27th, 2011 - 12:47 am Report abuse
The 'en' is referring to the language not the country, the Spanish version is/was, if there was an Italian version in would be

I agree that it does have a bit of a bias in favour of the Falklanders. Do you also point out bias when it is anti-Brit/Falklander on Spanish language sites covering similar topics?
56 Martin_Fierro (#) Mar 27th, 2011 - 01:55 am Report abuse
Obviously Argentine media will support the Argentine perspective, but you won't find an Argentine news agency pretending to be from someplace else just to appear neutral. Also pick any Argentine newspaper, I'll tell you exactly where its corporate office is located... no need to hide its location, they're exactly where they say they are.
57 Frase (#) Mar 27th, 2011 - 02:25 am Report abuse
Think says that he had a conversation with the owner and that he's from Uruguay, he's(Think that is) not generally known for his pro-Brit bias, so, rightly or wrongly, I take that at face value.
58 Martin_Fierro (#) Mar 27th, 2011 - 02:36 am Report abuse
I want their corporate address. Pretty please, with sugar on top.
59 Frase (#) Mar 27th, 2011 - 02:46 am Report abuse
I'm afraid you'd have to ask Think about that, I'm only going on what he said, and I'm not sure why he would cover it up if it was a British news source.
60 artillero601 (#) Mar 27th, 2011 - 03:09 am Report abuse
el think is from Uruguay? really? anyways ....Martincho , the BBQ is in Texas bro. I'll see you there
61 Martin_Fierro (#) Mar 27th, 2011 - 03:21 am Report abuse
I live in Utah, kind of a long drive... otherwise I would go.

Gracias... (that means Thanks estupidos, don't run home to mum)
62 Frase (#) Mar 27th, 2011 - 03:25 am Report abuse
60 - I don't think that I worded my post very clearly, El Think seems to be from Argentina, but he said that he spoke to the owner of Mercopress who he (Think) says is from Uruguay.
63 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 27th, 2011 - 04:10 am Report abuse
58 Martin
64 Martin_Fierro (#) Mar 27th, 2011 - 04:25 am Report abuse

Interesting, will have to look into it.

“abanico de oportunidades en varios campos del momento que desde el hemisferio norte se la identifica como quizá uno de las pocas prístinas o “por descubrir” que van quedando en el mundo”

Sounds like a badly translated statement

'Se la' cannot be followed by 'uno', and 'prístinas'... pristine is a very common word in English but I have never heard it used in Spanish, not in its direct equivalent.

It shouldn't be hard to see if this address is really an office or just a front for an agency that isn't really there.

Thank you Marcos
65 yul (#) Mar 27th, 2011 - 11:05 am Report abuse
I expect el Think will write third comment there :
66 artillero601 (#) Mar 27th, 2011 - 11:44 am Report abuse
@61 Utah??? how did you end up there? Any argentinos there?

So “el Think” is from Argentina not form Uruguay, it doesn't matter, he doesn't like me anyways!!!!!
67 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 27th, 2011 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
64 De nada( means you're welcome islanders)
“FIS is the most comprehensive web site for the commercial fishing industry. It serves the fishing, aquaculture and seafood industries by concentrating news, ...”
They love fish like the islanders, they hate penguins.
68 artillero601 (#) Mar 27th, 2011 - 06:13 pm Report abuse
i want to post this for coment ..... Bolivia is increasing the pressure to Chile on the “Pacific access” . Is this a case of changing public opinion or a true request for what it was lost in the Pacific war. Your comments
69 Think (#) Mar 27th, 2011 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
Evidently a subversive Jewish-Marxist complot organized by a perfectly identified minuscule seditious group exploiting the ignorant indigenous people of Bolivia to destroy the Christian and Occidental values of the Chilean society.

Does this”Proceso de Reorganización Nacional” jargon sound good enough in your Tex-Arg ears?
70 artillero601 (#) Mar 27th, 2011 - 11:45 pm Report abuse
Don Think, is that you or somebody logged on your computer and posted that on your behalf. Very impressive!!! Are you saying that the PRN in Argentina was organized by the Jewish Marxist also? I will be in Buenos Aires in November , I believe you owe me a cup of coffee to discuss this.
71 Martin_Fierro (#) Mar 28th, 2011 - 12:30 am Report abuse
66 artillero601,

An unfortunate series of events... lol
72 artillero601 (#) Mar 28th, 2011 - 01:50 am Report abuse
lol !!!!
73 Martin_Fierro (#) Mar 28th, 2011 - 09:11 am Report abuse
“Evidently a subversive Jewish-Marxist complot organized by a perfectly identified minuscule seditious group exploiting the ignorant indigenous people of Bolivia to destroy the Christian and Occidental values of the Chilean society.”

Yeah! What He said... ;-)
74 Think (#) Mar 29th, 2011 - 06:19 am Report abuse
(70) Artillero 601
No pibe, I ”owe” you nothing…………………

Just remembered another ”pearl” from the Proceso de Reorganización Nacional:

Was it TEJAS, (Estados Unidos) you are now?

*(Argentina, love her or leave her!)
75 artillero601 (#) Mar 29th, 2011 - 01:17 pm Report abuse
Fine ! think I will pay for it NO PROBLEM !!! and Yes , I'm an American Citizen now, also served in the United States Army for 9 years and Yes I still love my country ... so what is your question??????????
76 Think (#) Mar 29th, 2011 - 02:09 pm Report abuse
No questions.
You are like an open book.
If you ever should pass through Chubut (or the Shoshone N.F.)…….
............................................................................ Don't ask for el Think.
77 artillero601 (#) Mar 29th, 2011 - 02:32 pm Report abuse
Actually I don't have anything to hide and let me guess .... we are not having a cup a coffee after all. where do you actually live? and i promise NO “fuerza de tarea” will be looking for you
78 Think (#) Mar 29th, 2011 - 03:23 pm Report abuse

Apparently you have nothing to hide…….. Let me “guess” now…..

In 82 you where a young cadet in Palomar so you couldn’t participate in the “Patriotic Feat of 76-82”….
You can recite by hearth every battle the Argentinean army has participated in since 1810, but you are unable to spell “Grupo de Tareas” properly…..
You are quite fond of your surname’s “uniformed” tradition…

I live in Chubut…………. and no, we are certainly not having a Smoko together.
79 artillero601 (#) Mar 29th, 2011 - 03:56 pm Report abuse
jajajajaja!!!!!! Think, are you part of SIDE? you are a well educated individual .... were you part of the Intelligence Community? do you have my file in front of you? You are right, in 82 I was a cadet (2nd year) of CMN, right after April 2nd, the 4th year graduated and sent to reinforce the units at that time, some went to war, some went to protect the border with Chile. Grupo de Tareas or Fuerza de Tareas, same thing no?
80 M_of_FI (#) Mar 29th, 2011 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
Martin...why are you so angry? Were you dropped on your head by your mother? Was she a crack addict? Or is because the Falkland Islands British it turns you into an idiot? Come to the Falklands and when you come, act how you act in here, I am sure you will get a lesson of a lifetime.

I bet you call me an insecure little man, because that is the only insult you seem have... did someone call you an insecure little man once, and now you are over compensating because you know you are an insecure little man?
81 Martin_Fierro (#) Mar 29th, 2011 - 05:01 pm Report abuse
Oh no!!

Come on Lewis Clifton, quit deleting our posts!!

82 Think (#) Mar 29th, 2011 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
Please… No insults …….

I would rather slit my wrists open with a pencil eraser than consider the possibility of having anything to do with the SIDE.

My ”educated guesses” are just deduced from info you provided:

Your nick….: Artillero601…. Ergo: Army…… Ergo: CMN

Your dichotomy between genuine interest / preset bias about recent Argentinean history + your anger but no “messianic hate” against the “zurditos”…. ..Ergo: Camada posterior al 83.

Your casual “Name Dropping” when giving your Email…….. (I must confess, it hit me as a 155mm)…. Last “Uniform” I knew with that surname didn’t like us at all. (nor the Chileans)
83 artillero601 (#) Mar 29th, 2011 - 05:39 pm Report abuse
what did it hit you like a 155 mm ? (CITER or SOFMA) 20 km or 30 km with special ammo? was a Direct or INDIRECT artillery fire? was the FO (forward observer ) close to you or was directed by satellite? Are you saying that my last name is associated with Mario or Luciano Benjamin?? .....jajajaja!!!
84 Think (#) Mar 29th, 2011 - 06:31 pm
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85 artillero601 (#) Mar 29th, 2011 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
86 atk357 (#) Mar 31st, 2011 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
Going back to the original article. Where there any abuses.....yes. Where there any exageration in numbers...yes! Did the ones who dissapered understand the word “Martial law?” Everyone remember the ones who dissapeared. But what about the kidnappings, the robberies, bombs in schools, killing foreign companies executives....sabotaging naval ships, attacking military bases...etc.
More interetingly...where does Nilda Garre come from? and CK? student activist! Do you really want to know what they did at the Universities?
it is 1975 all over is a matter of time!
87 Think (#) Mar 31st, 2011 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
You say:
“Do you really want to know what they did at the Universities?”

I say:
Yes I do. Please tell me. With some links and proof.
Yes I do. Please tell me. With some links and proof.
Yes I do. Please tell me. With some links and proof.
Yes I do. Please tell me. With some links and proof.
Yes I do. Please tell me. With some links and proof.
88 chenye (#) Apr 01st, 2011 - 04:07 am Report abuse
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