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Argentina in 2011 is exporting more fish than beef

Monday, June 13th 2011 - 12:37 UTC
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Argentina’s cattle herd and beef production continues to contract and the latest statistics give full support to the tendency that begun in 2006: in the first four months of the year fisheries exports were more significant that beef overseas sales. Read full article

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  • GeoffWard

    It will take time, but Argentina will get back on its feet again as a food ptoducing and food exporting nation.
    For if it doesn't, what is there except import of parts & re-export of cars to Brasil?
    Hang on in there, control inflation and wages, and things will come good in time.

    Jun 13th, 2011 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    Fish eating is more healthier than beef !

    Beef has cholesterol,more expensive ( £) ,anti-environmentalist/green,
    especially sea polluting,has more speculative price system(short/long).............................................................etc.....etc. !

    Jun 13th, 2011 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    So .... how's the fish conservation plan going ?

    Jun 13th, 2011 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    @ 1

    I was told that ranchers or meat exporters (from Argentina) are moving to Uruguay and Paraguay , is it true? May be that's the reason why those countries are exporting more meat than us ?

    Jun 13th, 2011 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    We will have to wait until the beef herds are re-stocked and grown-on. Then the correct balance between home consumption, export, and import from Pa. & Ur. established.

    Because the Argentinean marine is being fished out due to the absence of a science-based fisheries exploitation programme. Guesswork is no substitute for knowledge.
    The Argentinean squid fishery is in dire straits, and the hake fishery likewise. There is not much else on which to sustain a national industry.

    Maybe we should hope that Argentina can develop a strong industrial base in the time available, because if it fails to do so, we may all be spectators in 'the greatest movie of the Southern Cone': “Argentina - The Final Collapse”.

    Jun 13th, 2011 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    I'm sure the Final Collapse is not too far away, the volcano in Chile may be the final nail in the Peronist Economic Plan.

    Jun 13th, 2011 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    @6 I will be happy if it is the end of CFK's regime .....

    Jun 13th, 2011 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    I think she'll win the election, people are stupid, and stupid is as stupid does, she'll fire up the Big Lie, attack everything British, demonise the Kelpers, and unite the facist thugs in support of Peronism.

    I'm afraid you probably have four more years of her secreting away suitcases ull of cash overseas, since what is good for the money people, is good for her. She will leave office a very rich woman, whether Peronism survives or not.

    Jun 13th, 2011 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    I am not so sure that she will run or win ....

    Jun 13th, 2011 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yul

    I don't guess Argentina/Uruguay/Peru/Chile ...fishes are delicious
    becouse they are deep sea /ocean fishes not inner shallow sea fishes !

    Jun 13th, 2011 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 6 I hope so. I hope Perón will finally die.

    Jun 13th, 2011 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    @11

    Xbox, I saw an interview with Dr Ossio talking about what Campora was and “La Campora” (the Organization) of today really is .... Have you seen it?

    Jun 13th, 2011 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    CFK may be re-elected because there is no viable alternative. That was the opinion I heard many, many times from Argentines.

    Jun 13th, 2011 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    sounds a bit fishey to me ??

    Jun 13th, 2011 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    Again with the myth of the “El campo”.?

    The Agri sector only represents 6.5% of the Argentina GDP and the most pro campo claim that is 8% around 25/32bn dollars
    And most of their production with the exception of soy is for domestic consumption.
    Meat 90% is sold in Argentina, grain and vegetable 70% is sold in Argentina.

    This year Argentina will export 78/80 bn dollars.

    What show the stupidity of some “think tanks” and “economists” that say the famous tale of “El Viento de cola” of the “campo” that is driving the China style growth of Argentina.

    Now just a simple example of how a low productive and not add value sector represents in an economy compared with a high add value company.

    The “King of the soy” (El prey de la soja) with 362.000 (including land in Salta) hectares only employs 300 low paid workers reported a turnover of U$s50m
    http://fortunaweb.com.ar/alfredo-olmedo-el-verdadero-rey-de-la-soja/

    While carryout deforestation (in Salta), erodes the land (intensive cultivation) contaminates the land (Glifosato Roundup from Monsanto® cancerigenous agrochemical agent) plus extensive use of potable water resources plus the use of GM seeds that contaminated other lands with natural cultivation, etc, etc, etc.
    And all this what for? To feed pigs in China?

    Now Globant (IT sector and software development) the little company in her sector reported a turnover of U$s42m in 2009 with just 6 years of existence and employs more than 1500 people with more of their sales made abroad abroad.

    http://fortunaweb.com.ar/alfredo-olmedo-el-verdadero-rey-de-la-soja/

    Clean, doesn’t ask for subsidies, doesn’t make lobby, doesn’t complain about any govt., doesn’t complain about the value of the dollar, etc, etc, etc.

    Look what happen in Uruguay just a couple of “patria agraria del campo” moved there and want to drag down the government because pretends to tax with a couple of dollars their lands.

    The “campo” lobby sucks and smell to cow’s popo.

    Jun 14th, 2011 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    @15

    I have the feeling Nico that you had a bad experience with a rancher's daughter, that explains your animosity against those “noble” people that contributes to the greatness of our Nation ........... hahahahaha!!!! ( do you believe the bullshit that I just wrote???)

    Jun 14th, 2011 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    So,
    the gauchos are an ignoble breed ?

    Jun 14th, 2011 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pheel

    Nico

    Seems that you have bought all the relato rubbish package.
    You can measure the Campo impact in every Interior town of our country. We did in our city and it exceeds city budget in 400%, just taking of money directly spended in town. Diary 100%, Cattle 100%, Grains and Oilseeds 200% + many minor activities like honey, pigs, petfood, mills, etc
    A traditional car parts manufacturer, in our county 90% of metals industries work for El Campo applications today(says their chamber), an example of second tier of spendings not measured by el relato K.

    BTW, Globant has its main facility here.

    As a conclusion: the relato K is a sort of false antinomies propelled by resentment and political opportunism, as every smart guy in El Campo thinks as complementary activities. Most of us.
    You can read about this, on Barbechando.com and its last week proposals at our Congreso Nacional, you can read Juan J. Llach and Fundación Producir Conservando, you can read it in Maizar or in Aprotrigo, our chambers of both producing chains, where Industry is present as El Campo is, you can read every proposal for the PEA, at CREA, at APRESID, etc etc....if you want to read.
    The Relato K is just a cover for a multiple dark business with their friends...with our money produced with our capital and our work in milk, corn, wheat, beef, cotton and profitable yuyito.

    Jun 14th, 2011 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    @ 18 Well said Pheel !!

    @17 Not at all Geoff !!

    Jun 14th, 2011 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (18) Mr. Pheel

    Profitable yuyito ???

    Sounds like if you were the Kingpin of the Pehuajó Cartel :-)))

    Jun 14th, 2011 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    @20

    “yuyito” is how Nico call it ....

    Jun 14th, 2011 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (21) Artillero601…….

    Don’t worry, Mr. Pheel and I have met before in here and he understands my sense of humor…….. (I hope)

    http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/08/cricket-world-first-at-the-three-falklands-week-festival-in-fife

    11 Pheel juli 08th, 2010
    My pleasure - as you, tired of morons from both sides.

    pd: Tigre Boat Club was founded in 1888, 1 year before Teutonia started. Wiki-ing i´ve discovered that they used to invite annually each other to have dinner, “rosca” boxing and some rowing. The wiki also remember the “Roll of Honour” for AngloArgentino volunteers in WW1 & 2 that i´ve called in the principito article.

    12 Think juli 08th, 2010
    Igualmente....
    Awkward to communicate with a fellow Argentinean in English but ... rules are rules.
    Geee .... That was really fun rivalry we had in Tigre............
    Remember sinking (accidentally) some of your ugly boats :-)
    By the way, fine detail the “Cromwell” one!
    I don’t think they got it though.
    These days, only Argies understand classical British humor

    Jun 14th, 2011 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    @22

    and you have copies of all the postings? Are you sure that you don't belong to any of the Intelligence Communities? SIDE? Batallon de Intelligencia 601? ;-))

    Jun 14th, 2011 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (23) Artillero601

    Look at the blue line at the top of this page...............

    Can you see the words: “News Archive” and the “Search” window?

    Jun 14th, 2011 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    @24 Oh!! I did not pay attention to that Mr Think !! you are , by far, a freaking genius .... too bad “ te das vuelta a veces” .....

    Jun 14th, 2011 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pheel

    Apreziado Think:

    I have seriously assesed the making of a u-turn in my workspan...changing the profitable yuyito for a more profitable shared-condo of private Mary-Johnnya plots sown with cannabis, just a an umbrella and a pair of plastic chairs each plot, perhaps some chemical bathrooms planted in the middle of the Pampas.
    It has no retenciones, the thugs don´t try to centralize its commerce and nobody blame producers for being antiargentinos, depredators or lazy-boys.
    A surrealist solution for a surrealist problem.
    Abrazo

    Jun 14th, 2011 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (26) Pheel

    Brilliant entrepreneurship idea!
    You are a true capitalist!

    Remember to construct a well assorted “Quiosco” to provide your customers with all their needs when they get the “Munchies” :-)))

    Jun 14th, 2011 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @Pheel

    Pheel are a fervent reader of Jorge Avila, do you?

    What “el relato K”

    All the data that you may comment here like the impact of the “El campo” in AR economy is just a big lie made by J. J. Llach a very well know “El Campo” lobbyist “economist”. The guy is to the “campo” to what J L Espert is to the “privatizadas”.

    Llach in his “study” have made double inputs counting activities as part of the “campo” as the following silly example:

    “Software developers drive the economy growth in Argentina especially in the Agricultural sector because they buy apples, bananas, burgers, bread, cars, houses, computers, TV, etc etc. and they contributed to the 50% of the job creation in Argentina”

    And don’t tell me that a meat factory cannot exist without “el Campo” in Argentina because is another lie.

    Is like to say that in Korea cannot exist a motherboard factory because they have not cooper mines.

    Chile is the bigger exporter of that raw material, how many motherboards do you know made in Chile and how many made in Korea?

    Even with the inflated study of Llach the the activity hardy arrives to 8.5% of the total GDP. Now make your numbers.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_sector_composition the data is based on IMF stats I wouldn’t like to be peg with Moreno. Just in case ha ha

    I showed you with numbers the share of the agri sector in the Argentina’s economy and you just gave me a political statement.

    As far I know GDPs by sectors even in Argentina are divided in Agri 8.5%, Ind 31.6%, Serv 59.8%.

    And if you see in the world’s GDP total contribution of the Agricultural sector is little as 5.7% while industry is 30.7% and service 63.6%.

    Viento de cola? Where? Just fantasy from demode neocons in extinction.

    Nothing personal just facts and I never buy “pescado podrido” not from the govt. and less from conservatives dinosaurs.
    If by saying this i will be considered a communist I say...
    Better a intelligent zurdo than a stupid conserva
    : )

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    @28 Nico , an answer on 16?

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pheel

    28 Nico,

    first at all, I deeply believe that there are many more categories of political thinking, feeling and doing that the two you remarked at the end of your speech.
    This belief has consequences in practical life beyond its own literal meaning. Probably I m very less “maniqueo” for thinking, feeling and doing and I m lucky not for looking to reality as a mere set of antinomies.

    Sadly, as an almost-old-man I guessed that your answer would be a lot of ad-homine blamings as, sadly again, you did.

    Only if you live economic reality by media or by theory (a biased one) you can assert that El Campo contributes with only 8,5% of our GDP.

    As I told you before, when you analyze our industry activities you will find that a lot of it works in a close relationship with El Campo.

    As I also told you before insistently, we of El Campo don´t visualize that “we are the ones”, just “we are the ones that can contribute a lot more if some thugs stop making dirty businesses at our cost excusing in El Relato K and the old fashioned dogma of Industria sí, Campo no”. Instead, we do a lot of effort demonstrating the convenience of using both strategies smartly.

    Finally, I would insist to clean our trapitos at home, cos I dont like feeding foreign powers or the mere attitude of exposing ourselves to the “badwill” of many bloggers here.

    Nevertheless, if you start with the K propaganda silly things, I would feel the need to answer, in order to assert that our media citizen is not so dumb.

    Never less,
    Pheel de El Campo

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    @30

    Hear ! Hear !

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @Pheel

    I don’t start with any K propaganda just facts sorry.

    I’m not talking about ideology or politics else just economy.

    You are wrong Pheel Agriculture is not a “industry activities” or industrial activity to start with.
    Switzerland is the monopoly of the coffee they also fix the price on the markets, exports food, chocolates and they don't have any coffee or cacao plantation .

    The relation you’ve made between the “campo” and other sectors are so wrong as the example I gave to you about the Korean Motherboard and Chile or CH.

    “El campo” cries if a poor receives a “plan descanzar” as you like to call it of miserable pesos.
    Likes to talk about free market, to open our market to foreigner companies, complain because they cannot buy a Honda Civic at the same price like in US, blame all government for their own failure but doesn't say anything while like a parasite receive benefits from the govt.

    Now lets see what this govt. had gave to the campo:
    Preferential line of credits to save them from bankruptcy led by Menen, protection to don’t pay to Monsanto's fees for the IP rights, has invested heavily in INTA, SENASA, keeps a dollar weak favourable to export commodities, and not even happy with that el campo is lobbying for more devaluation?

    So why we (the other sectors that really contribute more to the economy) have to support a sector with our taxes that is so lazy and that always cries to get more from the state?
    Who are the socialist or communist in this picture?

    Just wonder?

    El campo is for us worse than the “planes descanzar”, Moyano, and Karl Marx together at least that money is used to help some in poverty and not to someone that likes so much “el campo” but as soon they can buy a new depto. In Las Cañitas and 4x4 with subsidies receive from our taxes.

    Nothing personal just facts 8.5% is “El campo” real weigh against the rest. I will keep quite if I would be so weak.
    El Nico
    Industrial and High Tech sector without subsidies from any govt.
    : )

    Jun 16th, 2011 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Great comments Pheel & Nico,

    this is what blog-posting is all about.

    Jun 16th, 2011 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    @ 33 True !!

    Geoff, I posted something on the “6b missing in Iraq” forum, trying to trigger a debate with you about Iraq war ... Are you up to it?

    Jun 16th, 2011 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Art, see you there

    Jun 16th, 2011 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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