Argentine election fever: minister accuses UK of keeping hostage “2000 Falklands’ Islanders”
In the midst of Argentina’s campaign for the October presidential election, Defence minister Arturo Puricelli accused the UK of using military force to keep “the Falkland Islanders as hostages” and said Argentina won’t fall prey of “militaristic” provocations.
“Only force sustains the fact they can keep hostage the 2.000 ‘malvinenses’ (Islanders), condemning them to isolation and submission when they are 14.000 kilometres away from their political reference in London”, said Arturo Puricelli, joining the chorus of Argentine statements responding to UK Defence Secretary Liam Fox.
Puricelli added that Secretary Fox statements only reveal the fact that “England has no reason (in the sovereignty dispute) because they appeal to power and threat of force”.
On Monday Liam Fox said that “in the face of renewed Argentine pressure over the Falklands’ issue, the UK has the political will and military means to defend the Islands”.
Liam Fox added that Argentine politicians can “huff and puff” but this will “not change our resolve politically to retain the independence and the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands nor to come to their defence and to maintain deterrence as best we can”.
Minister Puricelli stated that “Argentina will not fall prey of the provocations from an English minister to try and move us from our position which is to continue with our claim according to International Law”.
On Monday an official release from the Argentine Foreign Affairs ministry said that by choosing to ignore the international community’s calls to negotiate the Falklands/Malvinas Islands sovereignty, “the British Government continues to show its contempt over international law”.
This exchange follows on last week’s war of words when President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner described the UK as “a crude colonial power in decadence” and PM David Cameron’ statement on support of the Falklands sovereignty as “arrogant, fringing on stupidity”.
Questioned in Parliament PM Cameron said that “as long as the Falkland Islands want to be a sovereign British territory, they should remain sovereign British territory—full stop, end of story”.
Defence Secretary Fox speaking before the UK Reform think-tank on defence issues said that “we have Typhoons already stationed there (Falklands). We have a very clear message that we have both the naval power if necessary, and certainly any intent to ensure that the Falkland Islands are kept free and their people enjoy the liberation we fought so hard for 30 years ago“.
In reply Minister Puricelli said that “when you lack legitimate rights founded on Law, history and geography, the only argument left to retain the Malvinas Islands is force”.
But he added that it is going to be increasingly difficult for the UK to keep the overseas enclave, since it has “2,000 Islanders hostages of its obstinate strategic motives”.
Further on Puricelli argued that turning the South Atlantic into a fortress is “a provocation” for Argentina and the whole of Latin America.
Puricelli alleged that the British “have increased the strength of their forces in the Islands because of the weakness of their arguments to occupy the Islands”.
The British attitude is going to generate further distrust: “in the zone there is an only extra-continent actor fully armed and which only reveals the irrationality of the British occupation of the Malvinas Islands”.
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Kiwi's arse - WE ARE HOME!!
I see the imbeciles can't even get their stories straight, Jorge Arguello said a few months ago: “There are no islanders, they are all part of the British Military Garrison”.....
Twitterman said: “The islanders do not exist they are all implanted British citizens designed to give legitimacy to the illegal usurption of our Malvinas”
then he said: “Jamis Peck should be allowed to excercise his legitimate right to visit the place of his birth without fear of attack” (I thought islanders weren't born there but actually implanted citizens???!??)
Now Puricelli says that islanders do exist, aren't an implanted population and aren't a military garrison but are being held hostage?!?!??!
BAHAHAHAHAHAHHA thank you so much politicians of Argentina for proving once again why you will never ever gain sovereignty over the islands!
Why are Argentinien are hostile? Because we were there in '82 in our Islands!! What was the message of Defence Secretary Liam Fox “we have Typhoons already stationed there (Malvinas). We have a very clear message that we have both the naval power if necessary, and certainly any intent to ensure that the Falkland Islands are kept free and their people enjoy the liberation... Argentina are hostiles!! It is bullshit, man!!
The pirates does not comply with international law and ignore the international community's calls to negotiate the Malvinas Islands Sovereignty.
Rotten
SORRY!! MAN YOU ARE NOT AT HOME, Ok!! you are not in our islands at the moment. enjoy your glass of whisky in uk!!
What have the islanders been saying: “we want good neighbourly relations”
What have the British been saying: “We are quite happy to cooperate over other issues”
What has Argentina been saying: “STUPID MEDICORE CRASS COLONIAL POWER IN DELCINE, YOU HAVE ISLANDERS HOSTAGE, ISLANDERS DO NOT EXIST, ISLANDERS ARE NOT ALLOWED SELF DETERMINATION, BAN ALL HYDRCARBON EXPLORATION, ISLANDERS ARE NOT ALLOWED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT!!!!!!!! DIABLO PIRATES IMPERISLAISTS”
hhhhmmmm I think your the hostile ones, not even a level 10 spin doctor could make the verbal garbage that your govt has come out with look un-hostile......
Mr Purycelly, you're a funny guy
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah.
Never laughed so much in ages
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
( the wine glass tells us something... yes???)
The kirchnerite push is trying to appeal to the lower end of the RG gene pool... ( OK I know its a shallow pool) who are only interested in a loose pair of shoes, a tight bit of pussy and a warm place to shit... and they feed them this crap ?
Notevenakiwisarse comes from the kiddies' end of the genepool....
Come on. You are prepared to accuse, but not indicate which lawy ou are referring to. ??
AND WE ARE HOME .... in the Falklands, in St. Helena, in Burmuda, in Pitcairn, in Britain........ where I am not in fact :-)
Oh, Britain has plenty of arguments. That's why the Junta considered war a better option than seeking pursuing an arbitration like it did with Chile in the 70's.
I think Puricelli could explain to us how the Argentina claim can be considered in good standing considering the 1850 Convention of Settlement Treaty and the 1834 Moreno protest? I'd say they are impossible to argue against.
The 1850 Convention is a generic inter-governmental treaty that settled all differences between the two nations. The title, description, and article 6 of the treaty cleary states this in no uncertain terms. This was also followed up with Argentina dropping all inter-governmental protests for decades and even Presidents like Sarmiento stating there were no problems between the two nations. It's impossible to argue against.
The 1834 protest by Manuel Moreno is also hugely significant. The original protest did not specify what BsAs wanted, the 1834 protest did and it only claimed East Falkland (probably because of the UK agreement with Spain in 1771). So it would be very hard for Argentina to make a case now for West Falkland, seeing as they never originally claimed it. This also means the Argentine claim that they have always claimed the whole archipelago is a lie.
Also this business of 'world support' for Argentina. The United States has always said they support negotiations, but that is not a full endorsement of anyone claim and it's a falsehood to say so. In fact only 34 out of 192 UN members have stated they fully support Argentina’s claim. That's 17% in 65 years of campaigning. So Argentina does not have world support, it’s far from it. The UN resolutions only suggest and are non-binding. These processes have also been change by Argentina’s unilateral acts.
They fool only themselves.
1 - in Law the islands are British, because
2 - in History the British have held sovereignty since 1765 and
3 - Geography is irrelevant in international Law ( see the Islas de Palmas case 1928)
So, there is no argument left !
Liam Fox is Scottish, not English. What an ignorant monkey!
If Britain's breaking the law then why don't you take them to court? Stupid prick.
I suggest a new name for their country.
ARSENTINA.
Isolated? a passenger flight to a major S American city every 7 days, 5 passenger flights now in a fortnight direct to UK, containerised seafreight every 6 weeks, and a less regular shipping link to S America still exists.
Hostage- any dumb Argie can fly here for a week as see for themselves that:
1. Arg Defence Mininster is a LIAR - we are not anybody,s hostage.
2. Arg Foreign Mininster is a LIAR - we do not prevent Arg citizens from coming here.
3. Any day of the week any Arg Govt is welcome to go to the UN and LIST the International Laws we and UK are breaking please?
We know this will never happen as none are being broken!
And those Ministers are so full of their own “huff and puff” that they expect us and UK to sit down with a bunch of public LIARS?
UN = Who?
Mercosur = Who?
Unasur = Who?
Africa = Who exactly??
Arab Countries = Who exactly
South America = Who?
Mostly these countries are not important, but please provide your evidence !
The Argentines must be getting desperate.
Hostages?
What is he smoking?
How silly of me.
Argentina has the potential but this kind of low-level government will always keep the country from developing. Argentines deserve better. IMO
Lies and divertions will continue from the Argentine government no matter how many protest or show where the truth is. What is missing in the assertion from the Falklands issue is that the UN can be seriously wrong. Cynically, I would say that some UN members have vested interests in this, and the United States has forgotten it's own Constitution in that the rights to self-determination enshrined in it were betrayed when President Obama (whom I previously trusted!) decided that relations with South America are more important than the rights of the Falklanders. The Trouble with that is that some use the resulting warp of democratic principles to further their own ideas of what democracy is, and if that body is not a democracy in any case, then arguments directed at it, from the aggrieved free nation, are to no avail. Democracy knows no geographical distance, and the Falklanders are British by choice and inclination. But that falls on some ambitious and deliberately uneducated ears. The Falklands is British soil because those people wish it so. Enough said.
Perhaps you Argie tossers haven't noticed that Britain was in the Falklands in 1690. Long before your pisspot country was even thought of. Perhaps you haven't noticed that your claim is based on 2 years and 4 months of illegal presence.
I've heard everything now, hostages no less, funny how Think is curiously absent from this thread, he'll support all the other Big Lie shite they pump out as Peronist policy, but something like this he's not backing, I wonder why that is?
“...support negotiations” The Falklanders don't want that, since their case as far as they are concerned is cast-iron and case-shut on the basis that they have self-determination. President Obama knew that. Presumably the United States' present self-determination is negotiable, just as it was for the War of Independence. Semantics don't wash.
Yes they have for typhoons in our land, like we care, but at the same time their country is becoming another Greece.
“Airline and ferry passengers face a day of chaos after immigration staff warned of “severe disruption” at Britain’s borders as they join the public sector strike”
www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/8604531/Public-sector-pensions-strike-threatens-holiday-chaos.html
Strikes,now we are talking,aint nothing the argies dont know about striking.
Argentina farmers in grain export quota strike
http://ww
w.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12211863
general strikes in argentina
sonic.net/~figgins/generalstrike/southamerica/argentina.html
Once I'd stopped laughing, it did occur to me to wonder why the Argentine people put up with this kind of thing. I mean one of their ministers dishing out the most outrageous lies and propaganda and treating them like idiots.
We all expect the usual sovereignty arguments, but 'Falkland Islanders are hostages'??? It's risible.Does anyone actually believe this crap, and if not, then what is it for?
He could go on “Argentina's Got Talent”, Comedians always do well.
Can't wait to hear his next utterances.
Hahahahahahahah...... still laughing.
What utter nonsense. They were treated so badly they decided they wanted to remain British! Even after the UK government sent people there to see if they wanted to negotiate in the 60's and 70's. That just about sums up how brainwashed some people are on this matter.
“In most cases, you became a British citizen on 1 January 1983 if you were a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by birth, descent, legal adoption, naturalisation or registration in the United Kingdom, or if you lived in the United Kingdom, while a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies”
www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/britishcitizenship/othernationality/britishoverseascitizenship/
No wonder James P. got one of this...
www.mininterior.gov.ar/pasaporte/
If push comes to shove, the US would NEVER side with Argentina over the UK but they might try damned hard to remain neutral. Just because they don't want to anger the crazy woman down in SoAm. Honestly, you would have thought when she keeled over and bumped her head she might have knocked some sense into it.
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article5276010.ece
Not only is she deluded,
Their leader is deluded
Their government is deluded
And their bloggers are deluded,
Apparently the UN leaders ducked under their desks in laughter,
The embarrassment can only go so far,
Argentina you are becoming the world’s biggest joke,
With a deluded nutcase at the helm.
And even worse deluded disciple’s up the rear,
??????????????a joke,,,,,,,,,,,
Argentine Defence Secretary Arturo Puricelli said he was disappointed with the “excessive coverage” granted by the Argentine media to the Royal Wedding and regretted so little attention was given to the commemoration of Malvinas conflict events.
en.mercopress.com/2011/05/06/malvinas-events-overshadowed-by-royal-wedding-complains-argentine-minister
Not that old chestnut
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12973543
At least 10 indigenous children have died from malnutrition in north-west Argentina this year.
We found hardly any access to clean water or sewage systems in the communities we visited.
“Argentina you are becoming the world’s biggest joke, with a deluded nutcase at the helm, and an even worse deluded disciple up the rear,”
Brit, you may be right, but do not underestimate the damage that nutcases can do:
Pol Pot was a political nutcase that murdered a million and more of his people,
and Idi Amin was a crazy man who did for up to a million of his people.
An Argentina that gets carried away with its own brand of crazy rhetoric can pull millions into a continental catastrophy.
We are not talking about a spasmic conflict on little islands - we are talking about major players using the excuse of a conflict to tame the 'nutcase states' of the Continent.
Food and fuel and climate stability (rainforest) are going to be in very short supply for many (developed) nations - nations with weapons, perhaps wanting some excuse to eg. turn back the Chinese tide in South America, in order to sequester the resources, through the forced-asymmetry of 'preferential trade agreements', to themselves.
Constant stupidities like those of CFK and her Minister of Defense, can destabilise much more than just the Southern Cone.
NATO is in a state of reworking its role in and across the world, and it would be so sad if it decided to show its significant teeth against a pretty defenseless continental enemy in the defence of a NATO protected Protectorate (NATO is much more than the North Atlantic).
Neither China nor Russia would come to the aid of the party, though both would use the opportunity to play the game closer to home; so restricting the conflicts to S.A. would be extremely unlikely.
All the UN Resolutions in the world will not protect The Stupid if they prod the pride of lions and try to kill the cubs.
This is why the USA *will* do what it must do to stop the stupidity before it gets out of hand.
Prodding gentle lions is one thing, but sticking 'the elephants and donkeys' is the height of folly.
This is the way proper wars start.
45 Marcos Alejandro---- Your not related to this Muppet are you, because the shite you come out with is just like the shite he has come out with.
But what is far more worrying is that the people of Argentina lap up all this nonsense and actually believe the nonsense that their Muppet leaders tell them, what does that say about the the people that call themselves Argentines.
They are so out of touch with reality it makes me wonder if the world community should just make Argentina one big hospital with thousands of psychiatrists on hand to bring them safely down to earth, because if that lot thinks they are sane then I know a few hospitals worldwide with residents that think they are sane. Jesus send a few straitjackets for gods sake. Cookoo cookoo
Puricelli alleged that the British “have increased the strength of their forces in the Islands because of the weakness of their arguments to occupy the Islands”.
Like I have just said Cookoo cookoo
No you nut job its because we dont trust you bastards as far as we can spit, the only reason that they are there is to defend the rights of the people that live there. Rights that you nut jobs want to take away in your deluded minds.
Seriously, do you guys not get annoyed when your government makes such funny remarks?
It's just embarrassing for you.
Please help me. I am one of the hostages. Please call me to make arrangements for my rescue. Only don't call tomorrow because I am in the Caribbean right now. Try at the end of next week. No, wait a minute, I'll be in Disneyworld with my family then. Maybe the week after. Oh damn it, you won't be able to rescue me then either- I'll be in London. I'll be in Australia after that for a while, maybe you can rescue me after that except don't make it any time in October because I'll be back in the Caribbean then.
Anyhow Arturo, please don't waste any time.
Bruce Wilks.
dont worry the british are well aware how things can go,
thats why we play it down, a the nutters keep on cracking,
like the nut above this one,,
these guys are so deluded, that they dont even know it,
[who is the fool]
he who says it==or those who follow it ??
Answer me WHy does Arg never say at the UN.OAS etc that it would only ever accept ONE result of any talks - full Arg sovereignty regardless of any wishes the islanders may have? They always quietly “forget” to mention this fact at these meetings dont they! because many of those member nations would not sign up if they knew the truth! I know that - and so do you!
Hell at the UN your Minister told ,what he knows himself to be a blatant lie- he claimed all Argentine civilians were evicted in 1833 - that, as you and I know was a LIE! Go and check in your national historical archives ! Only the soldiers were evicted, all the civilians bar 4 stayed of their own free will- not even as hostages!!
If you can show me an instance of a Falkland islander 'reacting' to anything Mercosur has to say about the Falklands, I'll give you a prize. I haven't decided what it is yet.
I'll also give you a prize for any example of a 'good job' by Argentina. Empty threats and meaningless gestures don't count. In fact to qualify as 'good' it would have to be something that didn't hurt people.
Now you're stuck aren't you?
In the beginning God created the world, including the continent of South America. When He was finished the angels looked at His work and were pleased, but said “You have given Argentina too much - a beautiful varied countryside, a pleasing climate, and a wealth of natural resources!” God looked and He saw that this was true. “I have been too generous and given too much to this one nation,” He said, “I will balance things out - I'll give them Argentines!”
You'll have to excuse that the joke makes use of a bit of licence in that we know that this lot that call themselves Argentines are not the native people of the country, but it's a joke that serves to show what the average person in S. America things of them!
Is that that why the Islanders are so fiercly loyal to Britain then?
It's amazing how the agency handled Mercopress grossly tendentious information, and is clearly not impartial and twisting the opinion in favor of England and its interests. He's done it with other items by placing the photo Galtieri, when aggression is evidenced English or putting the flag of the island, in discussions of sovereignty when a dispute between two countries and not three putting in the same category of country the islanders when they are not a country.
1 - In Argentina there is election fever, as it still does not complete the registration period in the list of candidates in most political parties in Argentina. In any case David Cameron is beset by economic crisis and humanitarian bombing civilians in Libya for a conflict to divert attention from English domestic public opinion.
2 - The claim of sovereignty over the islands is state policy, and transcends any political color or government in power in Argentina.
3 - All of the Argentine political spectrum from right to left unaminidad agree on the legitimacy of the claim of sovereignty.
4 - The conflict dates back to 1833 and has since become permanent.
5 - This is not temporary but the whole political society as a whole is Argentina's claim.
6 - Changed roles: David Cameron is Galtieri, Argentina Threat to increase the armed forces in their base to attack the continent if he persists in his claims sovereign when it has fallen significantly and it does so peacefully arms race supported by the opinion world public.
Yes, cant walk around westminster,for bodies being thrown from aircraft
the UN has recommended bilateral talks over the issue of sovereignty to include a third party mediator. england has at every instance refused. england continues to try to harvest minerals inside of Argentina's exclusive economic zone and on the continental shelf as defined by the UN. england is violating international law in terms of the latter, and practicing bad manners on the former.
Britain is not violating International Law, Argentina frequently does, for example UNCLOS. If you want to have a matter of International Law mediated, the correct venue is the ICJ - which happens to be the one venue Argentina is conspicuously absent from. You had the opportunity and you spurned it, why? 'cos you'd lose.
Notice the comments from British ministers speak of defence and deterrence, ie stopping the Argentine forces whose “power” you were just bragging about from invading. All we hear from Argentine contributors are empty and impotent threats about Argentina threatening the Falklands.
Bad manners? Well it was Argentina that has unilaterally torn up every agreement on the Falklands since the war.
And newsflash you ignorant racist warmonger, the revenue from oil exploration goes straight to the FALKLAND ISLANDS, it does not go to the UK. And to correct your ignorant racist rant one little bit further, England is only one of 4 countries in the UK. Try that in Scotland ya eejit.
'England' isn't doing anything. Falkland Islanders are exploiting their own natural resources, and Britain defends us from any possible Argentine aggression. That's it;anything else is made up by you to make yourselves feel better, and if it does, the fill your boots.
The UN might have defined a continental shelf, but no-one awarded you everything on it. What a truly ludicrous argument.
Are you seriously saying that Spain would wade into an armed conflict against Britain? Are you insane?
:-))
“the one warship england has supporting the Malvinas is a danish flagged ice breaker... really?” - No. The islands also have a armed patroll corvette and a destroyer. As awell as reportedly a sub in the area.
“Spain is an observer of the OAS, they have two aircraft carriers and will float a third by 2015” Not really. One proper aircraft carrier and a multipurpose ship.
The americans have about 20 of these Multipurpose ships, don't even call them Aircraft carriers. Otherwise the US would have over thirty aircraft carriers.
“even though half it's forces were pre-occupied with the chilean threats of agression at Patagonia”
Can keep blaming that all you like. Wouldn't matter if they had 200,000 people on the islands in 1982. With no food or supplies they would have just starved to death.
“at a time when england has scaled back it's military for the past decade”
Argentinas is much worse off than ours.
“Argentina has consistently improved it's military and reached out to old enemies to mend fences”
This is LOL. Argentina's military was in a better place thirty years ago, much better state. Our forces while being scaled back in size has had it's capability upgraded significantly.
england is on the verge of bankruptcy. you can't even pay your workers.
Spain classifies the Juan Carlos class carrier as a “buque de proyecion” or strategic projection ship. it is however an aircraft carrier capable of carrying a deadly compliment of euro typhoons. england has no more harrier jump jets in it's naval arsenal. england couldn't maintain a battle against Argentina and Spain would today destroy it. what troops would england muster? hahahaha... you english people are so arrogant. you will be slapped down and we will be the ones to do it. your age is over. and no the falklands does not get the proceeds from the material exploration and extraction you dolt. they don't give billions in resources to 2,000 sheep screwers! you are getting nothing! i doubt you are even on the Malvinas. just another lying loud mouthed brit.
No it's not. There is currently no carrier capable Typhoons. BAE have designed a Naval typhoon but
1. It's not been produced.
2. It would not fly of a smaller carrier(it would require a aircraft carrier the size of a US one, or one of the ones the UK is currently building)
“england has no more harrier jump jets in it's naval arsenal”
Well...Actually, we do. We just aren't using them and will be scarping them soon.
“bring substance and logic to the argument”
By substance and logic you mean inaccuracies, half truths and boring rethoric? Because thats all you've done.
Yes. And again what you've said is 100% incorrect. The Royal Navy has a River class patroll ship and a Type 42 destroyer(Currently HMS Gloucester i believe). There is also a sub on patrol around the area that can be called in.
Also, the “danish” ship you speak of does not patrol the islands much at all, it is mostly around southern waters around the Antartic.
“how are you affording that? and the “super carriers” you spoke of, the plans have been scrapped.”
No, they have not. You should really get your facts right because nothing you've said so far is even half true.
you were right though, it does not support the euro typhoon, it is the AV-8B boeing harrier air superiority jet...
again though, what does england have to match that? nothing that matches the Prince of Asturias. hahahaha... you have nukes you would never launch. your prime minister has much smaller balls than thatcher. england is no longer globally important. it is not a super power, it never again will be. it is on the verge of bankruptcy. once again... you cannot afford a conflict with the Spanish/Portugese speaking world, because that's what it would be. MercoSur has a defensive alliance. you attack Artgentina and you're toast. the US will not come to your rescue this time and give you the vital intelligence; without which you would not have even seen the Belgrano or the Veinticinco de Mayo from a few yards away. hahaha...
maybe england should stick with supporting roles. it has shown how well it acts as the lap dog for the US. should the day come when Presidenta Fernandez decides to go to war, i'd not recommend england fight back. at least not until these alleged “super carriers” are floating. hahahaha!!! maybe you can ask france for a ride. i've also heard you brits will be sharing a new carrier with the french. french built of course, they are likely paying for it as well.
it's hilarious how your media speaks without end about Spain's financial woes (that were caused by the english not paying debts on their “holiday” homes”) when england is about as financially viable as iceland right now. your media has done an excellent job of concealing the financial state of affairs since the 80's.
You are a racist.
Argentina has tried flexing its muscle (1) in 1833 and 1982. It lost on both occassion as Spain did in 1771.
Now I'm not a military man but as the UK still has the 4th largest military budget in the world, even after our recent cuts, I figure we must be paying for something. I suspect its that/those subs you really need to keep an eye on.
1833 didn't start anything, it finished it. The British claim goes back to 1765 and we've neither relinquished or abandoned that claim since then. Because of the embarrasment caused by Vernett with the U.S. in 1832 we decided to act positively. We are still there and you should by now have got the message about how positive we are.
What we are capable of, I leave to others to argue .... or Argentina to find out!
There, you just said it again. You really do think that Spain is going to wage war on Britain over the Falkland Islands. You complete nutter. You are a truly terrifying example of what years of propaganda and indoctrination can do to a weak mind.
Of course you could be a British troll trying to make the Argentines look bad.
And yes, I am in the Falklands, and yes, we do get the proceeds from oil exploration and extraction. The first thing we will do when the oil starts flowing is pay Britain a big fat cheque for our defence. That's if we're allowed to; the British forces are not for hire by anyone, even us.
You say: (about poster No. 78, JakeNoah)
”Of course you could be a British troll trying to make the Argentines look bad.”
I say:
Well spotted girl………………..........................................................
It never ceased to astonish me how many of you British posters spend a lot of time and energy ”debating” with “false deranged Argentinean posters” like ”Jake Noah” or ”Filippo”.
Truly amazing!
You are, as a matter of fact, one of the British posters spending most time and energy ”debating” with those “false deranged Argentinean posters”
I suppose, it doesn’t matter to you what they are………., as long as they give you the chance to air your British “uniqueness” and insult real Argentineans.
And you always get so edgy when i debunk them!
Take for example Poster No. 70 JackNoah…………….. He uses 3 (three) Spanish words (“Espora Clase Corbettas”) and makes 3 (three) mistakes in the process :-)))
Or Mr. Filippo and his priceless, already classic “Los Malvinas” blunder.
So I'll argue with anyone.
But I won't let you take my toys away :-)
You say:
“None of the words I used in Spanish are incorrect though”
I say:
- Corbettas -???
You are indeed one of Redhoyt's toys
Chuckle chuckle
England is not the same as the United Kingdom. We don't continuously refer to Castilla when what we really mean is Spain. Please try to be accurate.
“nothing that matches the Prince of Asturias”. You must have forgotten about our subs.
“La crisis” was “caused by the english not paying debts on their “holiday” homes””. You need to open your eyes Jake. How anyone (English or otherwise) could be paying off debt on a property they don't own yet beats me. Most of the property bubble in Spain HAS NOT EVEN BEEN SOLD YET! Most of it not even completed. There are half-built urbanizaciones all over the place. Half built buildings is a feature of most of Spain. Yes “english” people have put down deposits on properties which are not habitable, “english” people have been granted licenses to build which are then later rescinded and forced to knock down their homes at their own expense. There are thousands of illegal properties in Spain all because of Spanish corruption. Spanish lawyers, Spanish Alcaldes, Spanish developers. Best you get your own house in order before blaming your problems on others.
Oh, and while on the topic of Spain and her profligacy. Next time you drive on a motorway and see the “confinanziado por la UE”, just think for a second who actually paid for that. British, German and French tax payers. Because Spain does not become a net contributor to the EU until 2013. You are quite happy to take our hard earned tax and waste it, and now it's our fault you can't manage your own economy.
The whole of Ireland was given independence in 1922, but the Ulster counties voted to leave the Free State and return to the UK. Perhaps you could explain that, since you are such an expert on Irish history.
Think is not British, nor Falklander ..... he's Think.
And we know that waging war costs money .... we've been spending it for 1000 years!
And Argentina is as likely to get the Falkland Islands, as Spain is Gibraltar .... as likely as independent Statehood for Catalunya, as likely as Northern Ireland joining Eire, as likely as hell freezing over.
No power? Then how come we still sit at the top table? We are so easily written off - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Powers
Have you ever been to Northern Ireland .... it's occupied by Irish. They just don't wish to be Southern Irish, just as the Falkland Islander's don't wish to be Argentine, just as the Gibraltarians don't wish to be spanish. Come to that, not even the Catalans want to be spanish ... or the Basques, or the Galicians.
We have been very good at looking after people who don't wish to be something else. Poacher turned gamekeeper :-)
Money ? I think we are worried about the possibility of 3% inflation ... and we've been in debt since the 13th Century ... hasn't stopped us yet!
Good little toy, isn't he Think ... sufficiently rabid ... sufficiently stupid :-))
--“lt never ceased to astonish me how many of you British posters spend a lot of time and energy”debating“ with ”false deranged Argentinean posters“ like ”Jake Noah“ or ”Filippo“. Truely amazing”
Well Cher Think, l'd say it is worth it in the long run.
lt refutes the questions & challenges of genuine deranged Argentine posters, raises the morale of genuine British(not the trolls)posters & keeps our hand in.
Besides, its fun crossing swords(or locking horns)with malvinistas!.
You say:
”Well Cher Think, l'd say it is worth it in the long run.
lt refutes the questions & challenges of genuine deranged Argentine posters, raises the morale of genuine British (not the trolls) posters & keeps our hand in.
Besides, its fun crossing swords (or locking horns)with malvinistas!”
I say:
I think too, it is kind of amusing to argue with authentic squatters and pirates but……...............................................................................
What would be the point of engaging with some fake ones?
Which kind of morale can it possibly raise?
How boooring…………..
You would know what an authentic squatter was Cher Think because you are one yourself.
The land you are inhabiting was stolen from someone else.
Probably couldn't call you a pirate because you're up in the Andes but your ancestors certainly were.
l guess you are a hypocrite like most of the other Argentines on here.
Do you really believe the rubbish that you sprout about the Falklands or are you just trying to fit in with the rest of the population & not get noticed?
I don't know what he is. Not British; the whole English/ British confusion gives that away.
He's a right old laugh anyway.
PS: same goes for you Filippo.
Oooh, just as well I'm in the Falklands then eh?
I bet you read my answer already.
The OAS Declaration has been the same for decades and the US signs the thing every year. The US has backed negotiations since 1984, nothing has changed.
The story from this year:
hotair.com/archives/2011/06/09/special-relationship-update-obama-sides-with-argentina-on-falklands/
OAS Declaration, june 10th 2011.
Last year:
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100043042/hillary-clinton-slaps-britain-in-the-face-again-over-the-falklands/
OAS Declaration, june 10th. 2010.
Also no didn't see your reply so many ramdon messages on here in the last few weeks i only read a few up from the latest.
Wednesday, June 9th 2010
“However Washington did not adhere or vote the OAS resolution. Under Secretary of State for Hemispheric Affairs Arturo Valenzuela said that the US position on the issue is that it’s a bilateral issue between Argentina and Britain”
Thursday, June 9th 2011
This week the OAS General Assembly at its meeting in San Salvador passed by unanimous consent, and Washington signed, a “draft declaration on the question of the Malvinas Islands”.
en.mercopress.com/2010/06/09/oas-assembly-gives-full-support-to-argentina-s-malvinas-claim
en.mercopress.com/2011/06/09/uk-press-reacts-to-obama-s-support-for-argentina-in-the-malvinas-islands-issue
1. Nile Gardiner has been making up storys about the OAS and the USA has refused the sign the OAS Declaration EVERY YEAR since they first introduced DECLARATION ON THE QUESTION OF THE MALVINAS ISLANDS (1988) By the way google this. I think you'll find no trace of the US refusing the sign the Declaration.
2. mercopress took a statement and came up with an incorrect conclusion.
I guess Damien McElroy is making up storys too.
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Got it yet lol..
I don't like that “word” , that's it. No issue with you whatsoever
Can't blame you for that. l've been called a few racist names in the past & l know how you feel.
And now after finding a nice place to live, certain people want to take over my home & tell me that l have no right to live here.
l have as much right as they do in their homes, and no, l don't want to be part of Argentina.
Argentina has niether the resolve of military strength to be making statements like “before it's to late”.
A developed country like the UK could easily wipe Argentina of the face of the map, difference is we have the resolve and maturity to know the difference between right and wrong.
That's why Argentina will never be a super power or have access to nukeclear weaspons. Your quite simply not a stable enough place to hold that sort of power.
Maybe in a few 100 years when you mature as a nation, and you correct your false history.
They are non people. They are like the Red Indians, good only for taking their land from. Send the colonials back. These “Falkland Islanders” rejected our rule in 1982! They think they have “the right”, like the socialists and the communists and the peasant left and their liberal agenda, they have no rights. The socialists were quick to support Galtieri in 1982 - because they did not care for their fellow socialists he killed. They are weak. History respects only the strong. Who remembers the disapeared now? Only those who killed them my friend! We have Las Malvinas to debate, more war to think about, our boots to clean, the Mulatto to kick into the gutter where they belong, the Chilieans whose land we must take and the Falkland Islanders who are like ants ready for our jack boots. I hope you have polished your boots well my friend... or maybe you too are a socialist LOLLOLLOLLOL
Green then reveals that radar operators on the rig have detected a submarine patrolling the waters around the islands in recent weeks as the rhetoric with Argentina has increased. ... He said: ‘We were told to not mention it. But there’s a sub out there and I’m pretty sure it’s not Argie.’...”
Hey Think .... a threat - no sooner said than done :-)
Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2010622/The-squidionaires-Baa-rain--seafood-oil-tourism-penguins-Falklands-rich.html#ixzz1R0H0hcC0
FlipFlop - what an interesting little creature you are. Sectionable without a doubt. Get the straight jacket lads, there's a loony loose :-#
Good article……………………but:
”Phyl Rendell, the Falklands Director of Mineral Resources, says: ‘We want their money but not their mess.’ He confirmed that a second rig, the Leiv Ericksson, will arrive later this year.”
Ooooops…..I think sweet Mrs.Phyl Rendell will resent being called a ”He” :-(
”Kevin Green, a foreman on the rig, tells: Everyone is trying to keep it quiet but we’ve already hit it. There is oil, there’s lots of it and it’s viable.”
Ooooops…… So much for foreman Kevin Green’s strict contractual secrecy clause :-)
Kevin Green then reveals that radar operators on the rig have detected a submarine patrolling the waters around the islands in recent weeks…..
Ooooops….. Please tell the MoD that their stealth submarines can, from now on, be detected by RADAR :-)
PS:
Lisa Watson……………… still looking sharp.
Unless crocodiles are native to the Falklands,the Argie blockade aint doing to well :-)))))
l do not want an Argentine birth certificate, l have a perfectly good British one.
im against that
also against killing cocodriles to use the skin
The Northern Territory is estimated to have 80000 saltwater crocodiles, the highest number in Australia.
Koorana Crocodile Farm, Central Queensland, Australia.
www.koorana.com.au/
their biology and behaviour do not lend themselves to a captive life
and www.the independent.co.uk/ it-is-cruel-to-keep-these-wild-creatures-captive-418794.html
i prefer people taking conscious of not buying this kind of products that are not a benefit to our environment
But! not in danger of extinction
but look what happend after the spannish let them free,
they went wild and stealing things attacking innocent people,
and it was do gooders like you that let them out,
oh the dream the dream lol.
1) because they are in danger of extinction in their environmental nature and people will be trying to kill and capturate him more
2) because captivity its cruel for them just they are very wild animals
they should live in freedom
we can buy many other luxury things that doesnt affect the environment
we should help preserve other species too like whales wolfs penguins etc
its my opinnion
Is it election time again in Argentina?
I am British, I love Argentina and my family has been native and near native for many years.
Does another very poor Argentine government that has further destroyed/diminished the role of public institutions, whilst lying to the people about everything from unemployment to growth, inflation to crime and poverty to corruption; and allowed nepotism and cronyism to engulf commerce; attacked business or anyone else who wants to constructively criticise their policies; and made Argentina a ‘leper’ in the eyes of the international financial community; presided over one of the most corrupt governments since Peron 1 and Peron 2; seek to deflect the electorates attention with pure populism?
No doubt, the Islanders will seek their independence in the not too distant future. Just look at the shift in their press-speak and what they are saying about self-determination. They will use their oil wealth to break away from the UK and Argentina cannot not do anything about it! The international laws and precedents on self-determination are set in stone now.
Maybe then, Britain can improve its ties to a country it helped develop in the past and both countries can prosper further - ARG is home to many Brits and has been for over 150 years - Cameron's an idiot and the Kirchners were/are criminals - not a good mix for sensible dialogue.
Come on you Argentines – how can you wish the crap you have endured and still endure on a people used to solid institutions and the rule of law – clean your act up , for your sakes, do not vote for the Victory Front, get rid of them before it’s too late!!
I'm amazed he could say it with a straight face.
Are their no depths to which the Kirchner administration refuse to sink.
And as the argies, are only 5ft tall,[depending on your tape .]
Then looking up to the British, can’t be a bad thing [can it lol]
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