Argentine president at UN threatens to suspend Falklands’ air link with Chile
Argentine president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, CFK, threatened to review and suspend the Falklands/Malvinas air link with Chile, covered by the 14 July 1999 agreement, unless the UK abides by UN resolutions and begins talks with Argentina on disputed South Atlantic Islands’ sovereignty.
The Argentine leader delivered Wednesday midday her fourth speech before the UN General Assembly and renewed claims over the Malvinas Islands linking the issue to UN Security Council reforms and the Palestinian state bid for a seat at the UN.
“We’ve come once again to the UN to talk about a vital issue; once again we convene the UK to abide by UN resolutions” calling for talks “on our Malvinas Islands sovereignty; we will wait for some more time, but if not we will be forced to review current provisional understanding”.
She explained the meaning of her words: “I’m referring to the 14 July 1999 understanding when it was agreed to have a two way weekly flight by LAN Chile linking the Malvinas. (UN) resolutions must be complied” insisted Cristina Fernandez.
The 14 July 1999 understanding was reached twelve years ago in London by then Argentine Foreign Affairs minister Guido Di Tella, his British peer Robin Cook and Falklands elected Councillors. Under the agreement, 17 years after the end of the Falklands conflict, Argentine citizens could again travel to the Islands with their Argentine passports, while on October 16, flights between the Islands and the South American continent resumed.
“Argentina has repeatedly invited the UK to talk about our sovereignty rights. We are simply asking that the UK complies with just one out of ten UN General Assembly declarations”, underlined Cristina Fernandez.
The UK has systematically denied dialogue “taking advantage of its condition of member of the UN Security Council with a right to veto”, pointed out the Argentine president who underlined the need for a more democratic, open UN, where decision belong to an exclusive club.
“The question of the Malvinas Islands sovereignty is a major test for the Security Council and for the UN” as is the right of the Palestinian state to have a seat at the UN.
“It is obvious the UK cannot claim sovereignty over a territory that's 14,000 kilometres away from their land” affirmed the Argentine president. “We’re not asking the UK to sit to accept right away sovereignty talks, we are asking the UK to comply with the UN General Assembly resolutions” and not necessarily with the 29 resolutions from the Decolonization Committee, or the so many others statements from the OAS, Mercosur, Unasur, and other Latam-African and Asian forums.
Mrs. Kirchner in her speech renewed Argentina’s claim to the trial and punishment of former and current Iranian officials accused of masterminding the terrorist attack on the attack on the Argentine Jewish Mutual Association (AMIA) in 1994.
The Iranian government “has recently showed us some signs of cooperation, but that’s not enough” said CFK. “All we want is justice, and we need their full commitment to the case, and if they do not trust the Argentine Judicial power, we can take the case to an international court”.
The Argentine president speech came in seventh place, after Brazil, the US, Qatar, Mexico, Kazakhstan and France and also referred to the Palestinian bid for full UN membership and the global economic context.
“Not allowing Palestine to be part of the UN's assembly is a way to promote world terrorism”, but warned that “UN's 'full membership' category should be eliminated.”
In regards to the current crisis of capitalism, the leader said “Argentina has overcome the major economic crisis in the history of modern world”, CFK told the audience and emphasized, “Unfortunately we live in a world full of financial speculation, which destroys lives and hopes of millions.”
Likewise, the Head of State charged against international rating agencies as she warned that ”They [rating agencies] have great responsibility for the global crisis”.
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She cannot demand that the five permanent members be abolished. It will never happen.
:-))))))))))
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ9c-wC6x-g
We in South-America still get those third rank monolingual so-called “experts”.
This is going to change soon………………
You better learn to read what ElaineB didn't write..............
Or she'll never invite you to one of her candlelight dinners............
As I said you before and the Malvinas Islands are Argentina, and the recovery time will be soon without having to recover as we did in '82 by the forces
I would like to know, why is your interest in our Islands?, you are not Eeglish you are from American Central, or maybe you invest the oil in Argentinas Malvinas Islands? =-)))
@10 From my earlier post “If his translations were correct - her voice was drowned out by his ......”
What did you think of her speech?
well well well,
of all the threatening moaning crying and acting like a spoilt child, all Argentina could muster, at the greatest platform she will ever talk at,
WHAT DOES SHE DO
We will stop flights to the Falklands,
And you argie bogglers get of, on this pathetic childish speech
If that is all the great Argentina can muster, ,
Then even the rats in the sewer has nothing to fear,
Talk talk, that’s all you can do now talk talk and talk,
So carry on bragging, whilst the rest of the world laughs at you,
One day you will understand just what she is doing to a once great country,
Destroying it, for her own vanity,
Deluded or what,
Carry on kids,,carry on .
Since she realized that the flight beteween P.Arenas and Malvinas is getting close to an end she's rambling her words and writing weird statements.
www.sainthelenaaccess.com/news/2011/01/28/airport-project-update-invitation-to-tender/
gadebate.un.org/sites/default/files/gastatements/66/AR_es.pdf
I wonder if the Argies will be thanking the Iranians for their support over the “Malvinas question”?
Insulting to the Palestinians if anything, trying to compare their pain and suffering to Argentia's imagined loss...
She talks about UN resolutions which call for negotiations over “nuestas malvinas”, when not a single resolution recognizes the Falklands as Argentine. She conveniently forgets to mention the rights to self determination in UN Charter, which Argentina ratified, when she mentions multilateralism...
Rambling, incoherent, factually incorrect, self obsessed...
But for the sake of 18, be ready for your scissors to be used. On that useless lump of flesh between your legs. You don't need it.
tick tack tick tack
You can keep your silence, but you cannot let the argies to stop talking on the UN.
tick tack tick tack , for you all english who lives on the Islands.
Threats, racist jibes, taunts, childish insults.
Doesn't tend to work with the British, they tend to stand up to bullies. Like most bullies, they strong with the weak and weak with the strong.
Silly, stupid threat and the only people it will hurt are the Argentine families of those buried at Goose Green.
You behave like little children.
if she said 5 demode permanent members must be removed then i kiss
and congratulate her for why boldness..
who are these demode 5 five-gangs ??
[ USA + CHINA +RUSSIA ] Co.Ltd and
it's subcontractors/tails are UK +FRANCE.... !!
i think/believe that there will be no any peace /welfare in the world
unless these quintet will go fragmentation ....!!
Since when did the UN General Assembly or the Decol .Committee have the power to pass binding resolutions? - oh sorry forgot we are dealing with a nation in fantasyland!
Looks like Argentina is hell bent on stopping it's citizens (especially the families of the war veterans) from visiting the graves of the fallen. Wouldn't preventing a fly over piss LAN and Chile off.
If this flight stops then there are two others available, including the oil charter via Miami.
The drilling continues. Yummy!
which islands are you from ?? ..anyway ..
i am a history ignorant..researched about
British/1806/Argentina invasion but i didn't anythings
do you know this historical event in detailed...
if you know/ tell me ..i'll be very glad......!!
It'll be a shame when Argentine veterans and their families can't visit any more, or argentine journalists or sporting types, or cruise ship passengers with Argentine passports.
A pity to give a new generation of Falkland Islanders cause to really hate Argentina. And to give a whole load of Chileans cause to hate Argentina more than they already do.
I guess someone somewhere thinks it's worth it. But what a bizarre world they must live in.
i just learn excellency CFK spoken at unUN....
if she said 5 demode permanent members must be removed
who are these demode 5 five-gangs ??
[ USA + CHINA +RUSSIA ] Co.Ltd and
it's subcontractors/tails are UK +FRANCE
GEO GEO GEO GEO GEO
PLEASE LET ME ASK, JUST WHOS SIDE ARE YOU ON,
It aint argentines is it,
You say she is demanding the removal of 5 members,
INCLUDING CHINA,
Who backs you up, and is your very bestes new friend,
If you really are argentine, god help them, crackers or what.
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33 Troneas (#) Sep 21st, 2011 - 10:01 pm Report abuse
@19. The day, God forbid, one of your family members or close friends is victim to terrorism you will abandon this line of thought
Are you saying that only argentina knows what it is like to be visited by terrerest,
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Where do you argie bloggers get these guys,
Straight from the loony bin ..
,
Referring to the nox-existent Resolutions from a hardly existent sub-committee.
Seems she's heard about the rumours of an increase in flights to Ascension ... and that runway on St.Helena :-)
Nothing new then :-)
still,,, try again in ten years time
Good picture in the Buenos Airies Herald I thought ..... all those empty seats :-)
The drip, drip, drip approach by a bunch of fascists.
Britain should ignore these goons and warn them than any attempt at a blockade of the Falklands will be considered an act of war and if necessary we are prepared to use ICBM's.
Let me make this quite clear, the Falkland Islands are NOT called malvinas, they have NEVER been called malvinas, they are NOT your islands, have NEVER been your islands, they belong to the Falklands people, they are not Argentine, they are British and were claimed and settled by Britain before Argentina even existed.
You are like small minded pathetic Nazi's who believe you have a right to other peoples land.
The people who live in the Falklands are all that matter. It is their land. Your opinions don't count. Your wish to own other peoples land is insane. You are like the Israeli's who want to kick Palestinians out of their homeland.
If the people of Patagonia wanted independence from Argentina it would be their right.
The UN upholds the right of people everywhere for self determination. The Falklands have that right protected by the UN and there is NOT a thing your country can do about it short of invading. You are in the wrong and you always will be.
There people of the Falklands are free and will remain free, comprende?
Obama call Malvinas why I can not call Malvinas our Islands, Please Have a look the Link.
en.mercopress.com/2011/06/09/uk-press-reacts-to-obama-s-support-for-argentina-in-the-malvinas-islands-issue
Where was America in 1982? Where was UN? Where was EU? All on side of British! Who needs them? We should invade and remove all.
The people of las malvinas have three options 1. leave, 2. be reborn as Argentine like Bob Peck, or 3. Die!
Monty, do you remember when Chile suspended the flights to Malvinas for several months following Pinochet's arrest?
Did you complain back then?
This is same for all Chians they are stupid mindless apes and will be owned by Argentina soon.
Chile people are our problem and have always been so. The sooner this problem is removed the sooner we can expand into the Pacific basin, we need also las malvinas and control of South Atlantic and Antartica.
We must rid ourselves of all anglos in latin america, they are the source of all problems!!!! Without those the Chile will be Argentina and we will rip their hearts out and their minds will follow.
Argentina needs more Lebensraum.
Red cheeks all round :-)
I think she knows about the eggs :-))
lordton1955.wordpress.com/2011/09/22/cristina-fernandez-head-down-at-the-un/
1806? - Britain was not invading argentina - it did not actually exist! Britain was at war with France and Spain and had been for some time- so Britain was attacking SPANISH territory possesions - just the same as they all attacked each others in the Carribean - some places there changed hands several times a year! That attack in 1806 had NOTHING to do with Argentina!
Marcos there are now an awful lot more folk from Chile living here than there were in 1999- a a lot more business now between Chile and the Islands than what existed in 1999.
We could always pay Lan the extra fuel to go southabout down around Cape Horn and back up this side out of your territorial area.
Is a fact that Chile suspended the flights to the islands for several months, did not matter how many Chileans live there at that time, they did not care.
“We could always pay Lan the extra fuel to go southabout down around Cape Horn and back up this side out of your territorial area”
Sounds like the islanders “special orders” coming with LAN are going to go up quite a bit, don you think?
[The initiative for the attack came from Sir Homes Rigg Popham who was subsequently censured by a court-martial for leaving his post in order to pursue the action. The British Crown at no time authorised the attack. Beresford managed to escape after 6 months imprisonment.]
1807 – In July, another British force under Lieutenant-general John Whitelocke, attempts to take Buenos Aires by force. Unused to urban combat, the British are again defeated by a mixed militia assisted by local inhabitants.”
falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1772-1822/
1806 was an unauthorised action and the Commander was prosecuted.
Islander is quite correct, a matter between Spain and Britain - nothing to do with what became Argentina rather later!
The pamphlet sucks.....
Full of lies and inacuracies...
“The pamphlet sucks.....
Full of lies and inacuracies...”
What are you trying to say? That is not how is taught to the Hitler Youth? oooops ... sorry.... Kirchner Youth.......
British Gvt. acomplished with their laws and Captain General Augusto Pinochet Ugarte went back to his homeland free and safe.....
BTW, as well as Argentine is asking for Iranian terrorist, why Argentina doesn´t bring back the terrorist killer of Chilean Senator Jaime Guzman Errazuriz and give them the political refugee status ??? Double face, at least....
@ Better if you get swimming classes from now on.....
The only way to resolve this soverignity dispute is respecting the self determination right of the people from the disputed territory.....Other thing doesn´t matter....
You missed the celebration in London:
BBC
“Britain's 'forgotten' invasion of Argentina”
“A second, better-resourced invasion followed in May 1807, under Lieutenant-General John Whitelock, attacking Buenos Aires in July. After a couple of days of intense street fighting, the British surrendered to an army it had considered no more than a rabble.
After losing more than half his force, the British signed a ceasefire on 7 July and left for home, where Whitelock was court-martialled and discharged”
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4779479.stm
As 'Argentina' is hardly discernable in its modern form much before 1853, I don't see how you can claim any victory, unless you claim it for the spanish of course.
Nice comments from the US I see :-)
“Obama praised Cameron as ”outstanding“ and hailed the Anglo-American special relationship. ”Obviously there is an extraordinarily special relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom,“ the president said. ”I have always found Prime Minister Cameron to be an outstanding partner, so I am very grateful for his friendship, his hard work, his dedication and his leadership on the global stage.”
www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/sep/22/david-cameron-world-leaders-civilians?newsfeed=true
www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/un_diplos_gone_wild_in_nyc_RTRbSHxyi3mtFxLoUAhYEM?utm_campaign=Post10&utm_source=Post10Alpha
Louboutins no less ...
I see the resident parrot is still scratching around in the bottom of its cage looking for titbits of irrelevance ...
So why then you can not bring those engines anymore?
You will witness this for yourselves when the Islanders start exporting Oil during the same year of the presidential race in North America when Obama and the Republicans are fighting for the votes of 70 million Hispanic americans and 6 million american Jews many of whom have extensive interests in South America thru banks like Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan - particularly with the largest Jewish population in South America which is in Buenos Aires.
The USA of Ronald Reagan has gone my friend - buried beneath the dream of multuculturalism and corporate interests so you are on your own and if you believe that those unelected, unacountable bunch of self-serving retards in Brussels will support you then you really must e living in cuckoo land.
And I would advise against using Tony Bliar as a peace envoy to Argentina as the first thing he would do is sell British interests down the river like he did in Libya.
Sad when you British cannot even trust your own people.
tick tock tick tock..........
And if we are pumping oil by then .... the USA may be interested in buying, if not you can bet the Chinese will be :-)
The FIG may even be able to subsidise flights ?
Ain't the future rosy lol
Buenos Aires Museum 71 Highlanders i36.tinypic.com/2h6xflc.jpg
The British press will love that and I can imagine the headlines even now
“Cameron wants a billion quid a year to defend Britain's most southerly council estate”!
Mike Summers will probably reply like he did in 1999 and suggest independence from Britain and a deal with Argentina - including
an Argentine defence force on the Islands t0 protect those truck loads of cash.
Argentina is on the diplomatic and pacific way for many years now. The threatens here are the british missile essays, the media operation about some possible petrol extraction, the statements from the british government about the weapons of war that they have to “defend” the islands (defend from what? surely defend from a threat that they would like to be truth and not only a british invention at the media).
But Argentina is on the peaceful way, claiming for the right to keep southamerica for southamericans and not europeans. Great Britain position will go on loosing more and more support on the International Community, and they need to play dirty.
Even when the ONU structure is unfair for its Security Council, even when Great Britain's conservative government keeps on making this world UNSAFER in stead of making it more peaceful, even then Argentina keeps claiming with transparency and diplomacy.
It is well known that the islanders do not like being stuck in that rainswept swamp for more than three months at a time.
Now that they will lose those happy little breaks shopping in Buenos Aires or Santiago they will go crazy.
Viva Cristina ! at last she begins to do the right things.
It is really a pity that the british good people, the ones who want a more democratic world, those who want clear rules for global coexistence, are represented today by this conservative government that needs to do something about this crisis that is affecting the british workers.
This world needs clearer rules, more democratic media to let people around the world really know what is affecting their lives in stead of pretending that crisis come our of nowhere and pressing weak governments to pay the FINANCIAL HUNGER of a few bankers with Public Founds.
I keep on thinking that it is almost childish the meaning this portal gives to Argentinian's statements, calling the possibility of a logic action as an air link suspension a “threaten”. But well, here we are the readers to add some responsible deepness to the ideas that flow from every article.
Malvinas on the hands of conservative British is not even better for the common british men and women, it is only a very strategic military point in the South Atlantic. It is colonialism. I am not a fanatic of Cristina, it just makes you feel proud when you see that the government of your country is not ESCAPING from dialogue at the UN, but facing it, even when the structure of this Institution is not democratic. It is about living with DIGNITY, in its deep and real meaning.
Great Britain's story is not the story of a power that goes around the world protecting small group of europeans out of europe in the name of the WORLD PEACE and JUSTICE. Let's put things as they are.
#63 - Vermin - Argentina is some kind of pussy then, is that what you are saying? Not a bullying, beligerent neighbour at all? All sweetness and light?
OxBoll !
#64 - Err fantasy, what about the flights she cannot stop ? What about the new airport on St. Helena ? What if Chile doesn't want to stop? You've got to stop smokin' that stuff!
#65 Vermin - did you know that at one time Argentina actually wanted to increase the air traffic to the Falkland Islands?
“ .. 2003 – In November, the Argentine government withdraws permission for charter flights to the Falklands to over-fly Argentine airspace. Argentina also demands that HMG should negotiate with them to arrange scheduled flights directly from Argentina to the Falklands and that they were not willing to talk to Falkland Islands representatives...”
falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/2000-2010/
Make your minds up :-)
You think the British will be happy to pay for the privilege of watching the islanders become billionaires without a penny coming back to Britain?
We shall see what the British press have to say about it.
Kirchner WILL stop the Lan Chile flights as she knows it will mean that Britain will be pressured to increase the number of seats on the UK-Malvinas flights and perhaps the number of flights - at enormous extra cost to the UK taxpayer.
The St Helena airport project has been cancelled. It was announced in Parliament just a week ago. Britain is broke remember?
something more up to date
Argentinian Pucara, captured in the Falklands
www.flickr.com/photos/stephenlord/2057846230/
They were never willing to discuss sovereignty ! Never willing to become Argentines !
You've forgotten about the 'oil' flights.
You've also forgotten that Fernandez cannot stop the Chilean flight, she can make it go around, but not stop it!
I can find nothing about St. Helena being cancelled. The tender went in in June and is being considered. Nothing from St. Helena -
www.sartma.com/country_SH.html
What's you evidence?
And we are not that broke :-)
Why don't you change your name before you piss real Kiwis off? They'll probably staple your ears to Filippo's thighs...
The St Helena airport scheme was given the green light last July by the international development secretary, Andrew Mitchell. The bill for the airport – between £100m and £300m – will be footed by Britain. The leisure complex, to be built only if the airport scheme goes ahead, would be funded by a luxury holiday development consortium, the St Helena Leisure Corporation (Shelco).
Britain is broke remember
Not that Broke
The Department for International Development's overall £7.8bn budget has been unaffected by the government's deficit-cutting measures
you don't tell us how British withdrawn from 1806 invasion !!??
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are you sure your US argument that is true ??
Let's ask to prime minister Chamberlain about “” War Plan Red “” ??
in American therminogy “” Red Empire “” doesn't define
China, Russia, nor Nazi Germany ...!!
let's be realistic that noone can remove [ USA +CHINA +RUSSIA] Co.Ltd
but France +UK can be removed there...already this binary has no
notably global powers to have dominant tools except limited few banking and mining corps......
there are many silent supporters for likely this removing...
Latin America...Arabs....India...Turks...Germany..Italy..Spain...etc...
merely Barry Obama's grandfather is true in you wrote..
the others ( British relations...) not true...!!
BUT
i must say that i know some/very details about Barry since 1986 !!
that's enough !!
We actually PAY good money to UK for seats on the military charter flights - they would like us to buy lots more seats - that is a FACT!
No Arg action can nor will ever force us or Uk to a negotiating table - simply because there never will be a negotiating table as Arg well stated public position is that only negotiations that can happen will be over the date of their enforced takeover of our Government - now that is not a negotiating position - its is- and was and remains a simple threat!
We also have a commercially funded fortnightly flight to UK that will become weekly in the new year, also it is likley that in the next 12 months or so another one will start weekly to USA.
So your lunatic lady can cut her own people off from here if she wishes - her choice! That would not be instant either - 1999 when the Chilean Govt rightly was annoyed at UK arresting Pinochet they wanted Lan to cut instantly - Lan politley pointed out they were a reputable Int airline with contractual obligations - so it was several months I recall before they stopped. And they can today still fly the long way around.But of couse Arg can always threaten to stop all their operations in Arg if they carried on fligghts to us! - No that would really cripple your internal aviation if Lan withdrew wouldnt it!!
“Argentina is calling for compliance with any of the 10 UN resolutions in this regard, or the 29 resolutions of the Decolonization Committee of 11 OAS resolutions.” YET ANOTHER LIE FEED TO THE ARGENTINIAN PEOPLE, THE UN HAS ISSUED NO RESULUTIONS AGAINST BRITAIN AT ALL.
Maybe she bought so many pairs of shoes so she can distribute them to the poor?
Proof that a large section of Argentine society are insane, they are fixated on conflicts that took place over 200 years ago before their country even existed.
I wonder if they learn the roll of the Kirchner dynasty in some of their countries darker but much more recent past? They are in fact fascists.
But far easier to whip up anger at conflict between Britain and Spain at the turn of the 18th and 19th centuries.
I have news for Argentina, it is the TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY and the right of the people of the Falklands to choose their sovereignty and not be subjected to Argentine expansionist jackboots is protected by international law, the UN and the UK and European Union.
The only people reading this site who do not seem to draw the conclusion that you people, the ultra patriots, the malvinas fixated loons, of Argentina are in fact fascists are yourselves. The question has to be is it a matter of limited intelligence, bad education, forced propaganda, or just nationalistic zeal that makes you believe you have a right over people of other lands?
It was twenty pairs of $5k shoes rather than one pair...
With you head in the sand, you have to show SOMETHING :-))
It's “tick tock” Hipolyte, not “tick tack”. Please get it right.
Oh, and we all know Filippo is second cousin once removed of Benito Mussolini. I bet he's really proud of that. He's not so proud of the fact that he couldn't hack it in Canada. Still, I wonder why he doesn't take up the Italian passport he is entitled to and have a go at living in Europe. It's much easier than in Canada... I can assure him...
Ah yes. This is another nail in the coffin. These nails Think speaks of...does he know that these nails are just rhetoric? No action, just words. Talking doesnt hammer nails into a coffin, but actions can. But yes, by all means, keeps these imaginary nails coming! These “nails” have been hammered into the Falklands coffin for years, and yet nothing has changed! And nothing will. I will die long after Think has, and I will be buried in Stanley, with the British flag still flying over the Secretariat.
You got to love those nails!
Extra cost in leaving Staten Island to the north and hanging a right at Yendegaia? 4/5ths of not very much in the scheme of things ... SAA and SABENA went all the way to and from Europe for years without overflying the darker bits of Africa....
It's obvious that the u. k. wont resume the negotiations, it will keep on conditioning to resume the dialogue, to the will of the islanders, like it does since 1982. The only way of finishing with this dispute, is taking the case to the i. c. j, unfortunatelly, nor argentina nor the u. k. suggested it in the last 29 years, if none of the parts decides to give that big step, we will keep on wasting time, we will receive surelly more support by others nations, and there will be much more resolutions by the decolonization committee, but the u. k. will remain in it's posture, she never said that the u. k. must transfer the sovereignty of the islands to argentina, she only said that the u. k. must comply unless with one resolution from the u. n., where the two parts are called to resume the dialogue, and there is not any invocation of trasference of sovereignty for none of the two countries. Like i said in many others oportunities, the solution for the soveeignty dispute, which is the main problem, can't depend only on the wishes of the islanders, like the u. k. always manifests, it depends on both, you always reffer what our constitution says about our claim, however it can say whatever, if both nations are called to negotiate, it's obvious that we will have to cede in some aspects of our pretentions, you can't be so myopic and ignore that fact, only a judgement from the i. c. j. can say what country has better rights, and in consecuence what's the solution for this conflict, if the two nations dont propose to take that decition, i think it's actually because none of the two parts are so sure that their cases are going to triunf.
The decolonization committee has only issued an advisory to both parties to seek a peaceful solution.
1947: Britain first offers to take the sovereignty dispute to the ICJ. Argentina does not accept.
1948: Britain again offers to take the sovereignty dispute to the ICJ. Argentina declines.
1955: Britain unilaterally refers the sovereignty dispute to the ICJ. Argentina refuses to attend & indicates that it will not accept any judgement issued by the ICJ.
Yeah, right! I suppose the US can't claim sovereignty over Hawaii either, or France over St Perre and Miqelon. Nitwits! Even Guatemala has renounced its claim on Belize (formerly British Honduras), and Belize borders Guatemala! The Islanders don't want to be part of Argentina any more than Belize wants to be part of Guatemala!
If UNGA Resolutions are merely 'advisory', the the C24's decisions don't amount to very much.
Axel - the UK has been recognising the Islander's rights since November 1966 at least!
falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1960-1966/
I have news for Britain and you, it is the TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY and Britain can not hide its colonial claim to the oil resources(if any) under the sea bed of South America by sheltering behind the 'rights' of its colonists.
“Sorry” for the flights inconvenience.
Axel, you say “she she only said that the u. k. must comply unless with one resolution from the u. n., where the two parts are called to resume the dialogue, and there is not any invocation of trasference of sovereignty for none of the two countries”
If that is true, then why did she refer to them as “nuestras islas Malvinas”?
You have never properly explained how your president could ever negotiate over the Falklands with an open agenda when she has sworn to uphold the Argentine constitution, which only allows a straight transfer of sovereignty. No other outcome is constitutionally acceptable to Argentina. How can you even call what you are asking for “negotiations”?
The UK does not have a claim or a dispute, it has had open possession of the Falklands for 178 years, along with a strong claim to them dating to 1765. It is Argentina who disputes this, and it is Argentina who has a claim. Why does Argentina not take their claim to the ICJ? Argentina has nothing to lose and everything to gain...
Whatever you think is Britain's secret agenda or what I may think is Argentina's secret agenda the fact remains - it is the people of the Falkland Islands who are the only people who count in regards to where they stand on the right of self determination. The problem is while your country continues to threaten them, they require Britain, it is a catch 22 situation.
I don't care who has sovereignty of the Falklands, I care about the right of the people there to self determination. The fact is they depend on the UK to guarantee that right, in response to Argentina's claims. Your country in that respect has a self defeating agenda.
I'd be interested to know what your opinion is on the right of Falkland Islanders? Maybe like the majority of Argentine posters on here you believe they have no rights, other than accept Argentine sovereignty?
That is never going to happen.
But it would be great if someday mutual respect could be attained and closer relations built with their natural neighbor that served both interests and not just one. That can never happen while the Argentinean constitution claims the Falkland Islands and insists on duristriction over them and their people.
But the Argies can claim
Isla Martín García an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The enclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters
@33 Britain is already resisting and fighting terrorists. Muslims, various Africans and Argentina. That last is, of course, state terrorism. By the way, I don't have a family. Lost them years ago. Close friends? Only a couple. But thanks for asking. Would you be surprised to know my country comes first? Especially against greasy, slimy dagos.
@40 Have you not noticed that Britain already ignores Argentina? CFK should notice the long-time British policy of not negotiating with terrorists.
@43 It appears that Obama was born in Honolulu. When did that get moved to Kenya? But do by all means try another invasion. Last time we had 80 Royal Marines. Next time there will be 500 infantry troops, combat aircraft, surface warships and an unknown number of submarines. Nothing nicer than a bit of target practice. I don't think we should stop until there are at least 10,000 argie dead. Then we could move on to the cities!
@45 We can help! Just as a start we could reduce your population to around 4 million.
@49 Punta Arenas to MPA = 531 miles. Using an aircraft with a range of over 5,000 miles? Possibly escorted by Chilean F-16s and RAF Eurofighter Typhoons. Whatcha gonna do?
@62 We don't have to find a billion dollars. Because we don't use dollars. Did you notice that Britain currently spends £365 million a year on defence of OUR Islands. And that's 0.03% of Britain's GDP. So if we multiply our defence cost by a factor of 3, it will still be less than 0.1% of our GDP.
@63 Trouble is that you “South Americans” are transplanted Europeans. 86.4% European as it happens.
@67 Strange that there's no mention of cancellation of the St Helena airport in Hansard.
@87 Lunatic! Why do you bother typing this drivel?
@92 There won't be any flights inconvenience. An attack on an unarmed civilian aircraft is an act of terrorism. Justifies almost anything. How long to destroy remaining 65 aircraft?
They have the same rights than any other British/foreigners living in any part of Argentina.
Is naked marathon-running a popular past time in Argentina then?
#96 stick up your junta
By Mrs Kirchner's logic, we in the UK must take over the proud Danish people in the Faroe Islands, because they are much closer to the UK than to Denmark.
#92 Marcos, If you are so vehemently anti-colonialist, why don't you go back to Spain where you come from and give back the lands you stole from the native peoples of South America. And why are we suddenly motivated by the oil? We still went to liberate the islanders upon their wishes in 1982 despite the fact there was no oil depoits known about there. Just goes to show how transparent the Argentines' arguments are really.
Latest regarding SH airport
www.sainthelena.gov.sh/news.php/405/mou-assessment-making-progress
Memorandum of Understading referred to in the above
www.sainthelena.gov.sh/data/files/mou_201210.pdf
1. It is not always easy to discover what Argentinians are really after. For that reason they can never, ever be taken seriously. In 1982 Argentina occupied the defenceless Falklands in order to “negotiate” the occupation of the Islands. Now, again Argentina wants to “negotiate” in order to occupy the Falklands- nothing less.
2. As regards the threat to stop all LAN flights to the Falklands, thrown at the UN Assembly, what could be done? All civilised countries practice a policy of “open skies.” Argentina practices a XIXth Century policy of territorial expansionism instead. So never mind, in the XIXth Century there were no “aeroplanes.!”
3. What can Chile do? For reasons hard to understand, Chile practices vis-a-vis Argentina a policy of appeasement similar in style to Britain's in the 1930's. It is therefore not easy to guess how how Mr. Pinera & Co. would react.
4. But what could he do? A policy of tit-for-tat is appropriate in dealing with a bully. Chile should threaten to retaliate, as follows: a) Close down the Argentinian Consulate in Punta arenas (which is well-known spy's nest); and b) Stop all Argentinian flights to Chile until Argentina behaves like a normal country. Period.
Philippe
The idiot had better be shut her beak after saying this as well, It is obvious the UK cannot claim sovereignty over a territory that's 14,000 kilometres away from their land” affirmed the Argentine president.
Seing that Argentina did not exist when we settled on those islands it only stands to reason that the UK should now claim sovereignty over Argentina as we were in that neck of the wood long before any Argentine.
So Miz idiot do you really want to go down the road.
Oh, and why don't the Falkland Islanders ask for dual citizenship, provincial status etc. The answer is simple, because they don't want to be Argentine. You suggest that they ask to keep the revenues from oil, fishing etc. They already do that. What advantages would Argentina bring? Why can't you just leave them alone? Why can't you treat them like a neighbour instead of an enemy? If they want to become 100% independent and cut ties with the UK, why won't you let them do that???
Yes, Rosarino, they are British, but they are Falkland Islanders first. You can't compare the situation to India etc. India was colonised, most native Indians did not want the UK there. In this case the Falkland Islanders are the people of the Falkland Islands and for the time being they want the UK there, to protect them against Argentine aggression. If the UK military left today, we all know exactly what would happen tomorrow, you Argies would invade again. And that would be against the express wishes of the Falkland Islanders and in contravention of their rights...
I don´t know how can you build up rights on a fact of taking those islands by the force. my God....
Falkanders are English and of course will be allways on the english side.
your selfdetermination ideals are not right for this situation since your population was placed there not as the same way as the inmigrants went to Perú, Bolivia, Argentina, Chile or Brazil, with no weapons, just luggage and good will.
Que??
BBC
“Falkland man chooses Argentine citizenship”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-13780144
102 Philippe “What can Mr. Pinera do?”
Nothing Sergio.
regards
Saludos
Jees that takes me back to the bad old rascist days of my yoof,seems this knuckle dragging argie aint evolved
Here just for you gaucho juancho you daft rascist
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adf1-WewlSA
Regards
Got ya, you used the F word,now that didnt hurt did it :-))))))
Look again at the slave trade in Europe.
Which nation started it?
Which nation imported more slaves?
Which nation banned it last?
A clue to the answer, it isn't Britain.
Are you saying you are in fact persecuting a minority within your own country? Is that OK then?
You're a disgrace to humanity.
Anything fresh to offer us Marco?? Thought not ....someone really should clear out the bottom of you cage .... 'Awk! Marcos wants a cracker...Awk ! Marcos wants a cracker'.........
I expect the service to continue long time - unless a certain Lady in the casa rosada really is hell bent on shooting herself in both feet.
Some of you can justy never accept reality canyou? S.America nations will naturally support Arg with a fair amount of public verbal in UN/OAS etc in order to keep the Casa Rosada quiet - but that is as far as it goes - and you know it! Brazil does it, Chile does it and even little Uruguay most of the time.
What, the same Islands the UK first settled in 1765? Long before Argentina existed. We kicked an illegal BsAs garrison off the Falklands in 1833, not an Argentine garrison, because BsAs was not part of the United Provinces then. All except 4 of the civilians already chose to remain. Nobody got hurt. Not a shot was fired. There was no “invasion”. This is a matter of recorded fact.
“I don´t know how can you build up rights on a fact of taking those islands by the force. my God....”
Oh, and so the Mapuche, Tehuelche, Ona, Selkn'am just gave Patagonia and TDF to the Argentine Republic as some kind of grotesque gift or was it the rifle patrias??? You should change your name to Hipocracy... Don't lecture us about taking things by force.
“Falkanders are English and of course will be allways on the english side.”
No, actually they are British. You just insult Falkland Islanders with Scots, Welsh, Irish, Argentine, Gibraltarian etc etc ancestry by calling them all English. They freely ask to remain British. Nobody is forcing them to be British.
“your selfdetermination ideals are not right for this situation since your population was placed there”
1. Self determination is a universal right, enshrined in the UN Charter (which Argentina has ratified). It is a right which cannot be limited.
2. Nobody was placed on the Falkland Islands. The ancestors of the Falkland Islanders all went there of their own free will. Just like the immigrants who went to Perú, Bolivia, Argentina, Chile or Brazil, etc.
action not words, gets the job done,
and a hint, at those who sign things like the human rights act, then abuses them same rights,
in both cases,
remind you of anyone ?
The islands were 'invaded' prior to 1833. I believe Britain first charted the islands in 1690 and settled in West Falkland and claimed the Falklands in 1765, long before Argentina even existed. Ignoring the Islanders' trump cards of (i) continuous occupation and (ii) democratic right to self-determination, Argentina has never owned the islands, bases its claim on inheritance from Spain (which is without precedent) and proximity (which is not recognised under international law). In contrast to Argentina, the land was not already inhabited when settled by Europeans. Argentina proves itself to be an aggressive colonial power, trying to steal land it has never had any right to, having stolen Argentina from its rightful owners. Meanwhile a small, peaceful democracy whose inhabitants have a much better claim to the land on which they live than the Argentines have to Argentina are treated appalling by a bully, universally disliked in South America and mocked in the international arena for the rantings of Old Plastic Face. Argentina has no claim. It never has had and never will. Please deal with that fact. It is difficult but your country really has to grow up.
and
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Regards
Usual stuff last night I see .... :-)
And you? I would prefer not to know...
I see that you are still angry about the jokes over your weird
“black shoes” fetishes, out of butter again?
Going back to Malvinense James Peck becoming an Argentine citizen, he is the son of an islander heroe, and he is not the only islander living in the mainland or in the islands wishing to follow the same path to dual citizenship.
You think this is Argentina's way of attacking its own veterans before the 30th anniversary in Stanley next year ?
falklandsnews.wordpress.com/
Spain started the slave trade 4 years after discovering America . BTW, I truly believe that Christopher Columbus was Spanish ..... Did you watch the Discovery documental?
Remember that in 1765 there were other settlers. They were there before the British.
The expulsion of a garrison is grounds for war. (causus belli)
They took the islands by force in time of peace between the 2 countries.
All British arguments were destroyed.
So they refuse to negotiate.
Last resort: self-determination.
Rosy - try speaking english!
I recall that the President of Chile had an interesting visit to the UK last year.
I recall that the President of Chile is a major shareholder of LAN
I recall that Chile is better at sticking to agreements than Argentina.
I also recall that there are 30th anniversary events taking place next year and without the LAN flight, they'll be a truly British affair.
I certainly recall that the Falklanders survived without that flight for a very long time, and there are alternatives.
You do not understand the Islanders' at all.
They are like me - bloody stubborn :-)
Back to islands, your settlements in the islands prior to our 1810 revolution ( Argentina´s birthday ) or 1916 Independence
Where not in the real Malvinas, it was just on some small satellite islands around. never in the main islands, so ....you have to read more, keep reading that will be good for you.
Self determination is a concept approved by Argentina yes of course, but in your case, you have a British/english passport don´t you ?? then there is no self determination my friend.... you are already english. forget about that old concept, it does not work for the malvinenses or islanders.
Study more ... !!!
Redhoyt live/vive in/en Thailand/Tailandia.
Tenes razon/You are right LAN business in Argentina is huge compare with one flight to Malvinas.
Saludos
So the last resort for them is self-determination: a fallacy.
Saludos Rosarino
“ .. 1810 – May 22nd, a meeting of notables in Buenos Aires is held to decide the future of the Viceroyalty. Delegates deny recognition of the Council of Regency of Spain and the Indies and form a ‘junta’. This ‘Primera Junta’ was recognised by Buenos Aires but not by all the provinces of the Viceroyalty resulting in conflict.
The capital of the Viceroyalty is moved to Montevideo where the Governor, Fransisco Javier de Elio, declares himself as the new Viceroy of the Rio de la Plata.
[The events of 1810 were prompted by what was taking place in Spain, where Napoleon had ousted King Ferdinand VII and replaced him with his brother Joseph Bonaparte. Initially the 'Primera Junta' and then the 'Grande Junta' voted to stay loyal to Ferdinand.] ...”
Indeed your 'revokution' of 1816 wasn't up to much. As a country Argentina is hardlt recognisable before 1853. Spain struggled to get a Treaty recognising you before 1863.
And Argentina is NOT spain, and you did not inherit the Falklands.
falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1772-1822/
As for the rest of you idiots - how do you reckon the Islanders' have survived for 178 years? They don't need you!
“Three years later, the British did formally leave the islands and they passed into the Spanish Empire for the next forty years. This arrangement was formally recognised by the British in the 1790 Nootka Sound Convention by which Britain formally rejected any colonial ambitions in 'South America and the islands adjacent'. It also reflected a weakening of British power in the Western Hemisphere coming shortly after the embarrassing loss of the 13 colonies partly thanks to French and Spanish intervention.
The Spanish claim on the islands would falter with the South American Wars for Independence at the start of the nineteenth century. The Spanish removed their formal representative and settlers from the island from 1810 and completed it by 1811. The islands were left to their own fate for the next decade as sealing and whaling ships might call in from time to time to take advantage of the harbour and fresh water. It was not to be until 1820 that the United Provinces of Rio de la Plata would send a frigate to the islands in order to assert their control as part of the legacy of post-colonial Spanish claims to authority there. Buenos Aires would appoint their first governor in 1823 ”
www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/falkland.htm
That really is stretching the truth Hipolyte and you know it. Roca's Conquista del Desierto was not so that he could sell that land to the British! What a pack of lies. Your hands are just as covered with blood. You are the descendants of Spanish colonists who committed the most horrific crimes in South America. You really have not right to lecture anyone on taking things by force or genocide. Ghandi? In case you hadn't noticed, India has been independent for 64 years now... Every single British colony which has asked for independence is independent. That is a fact you cannot deny.
“your settlements in the islands prior to our 1810 revolution...
Where not in the real Malvinas, it was just on some small satellite islands around”
At least you admit that the UK had settlements in the Falklands before Argentina even exited, because that is a massive problem for your claim. And it is you who needs to start reading a bit, because the first British settlement was at Port Egmont, which was on West Falkland. That is not some small “satellite” island! It's the second largest island in the Falklands.
Self determination is a universal right. It cannot be limited, so what passport you carry has absolutely ZERO relevance. You Argies cannot decide for others whether they do or don't have self determination, especially since Argentina has ratified the UN Charter, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. I suggest you read all three of them carefully. Pay particular attention to Chapter 1, Article 1, part 2 of the Charter and Article 1 of the two covenants. There is no way around it, the Falkland Islanders have an unlimited right to self determination.
Take another look at the page - it has an interesting link to reality :-)
falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/
And remember -
1) YOU ARE NOT SPANISH !
2) Jewett never managed to exert control
3) There was NO governor in 1823 - which you know already of course.
Can't find anything new MoreCrap ?
Isn't this a unilateral action banned by UN Resolution 31/49?
Erm, no, the Spanish were not in the Falklands in 1765, and even if the Islands were Spanish, that would be a matter between the UK and Spain. Nothing to do with Argentina (which did not even exist in 1765).
“Remember that in 1765 there were other settlers. They were there before the British.”
Yes, French settlers. Nothing to do with Argentina.
”The expulsion of a garrison is grounds for war. (causus belli)“
I think you'll find it was the garrison which was there illegally. The garrison was protested by the UK through the correct channels in BsAs. This is all a matter of recorded fact. And if the expulsion was causus belli, then why did Buenos Aires not go to war with the UK??
”They took the islands by force in time of peace between the 2 countries.“
Yes, exactly, the BsAs garrison should not have been sent to the Falklands.
”All British arguments were destroyed.“
I don't think so.
”So they refuse to negotiate.“
Well how can we negotiate with you when you have already decided the outcome of the ”negotiations“ and put it in your constitution? What is the point in negotiating if you have already decided the outcome?
”Last resort: self-determination.”
No, that's been the UK position since the UN Charter was ratified by both the UK and Argentina.
“Tu y el Sr. Roberts que saben de historia argentina?
Sabes con que alambrado se separaron las tierras otorgadas en la conquista del desierto? Ingleses!”
No solo ingleses, Rosarino, pero irlandeses tambien y argentinos de sangre española... que no es exactamente una sorpresa porque Argentina era y es un pais de inmigrantes. Y todo animado por el gobierno argentino. No se puede denegar el hecho la gran mayoria del territorio actual argentino fue robado por fuerza y decadas despues de la independencia.
Sorry missed it but it'll be repeated.
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jun/28/falklands.past
Very stupid to invade then!!!!!!!
It is suspected that he was a Catalan, coming from a very rich family who fought against the King .... also he talks about his uncle the Admiral , if you were poor , you had no access to education back then and the letters sent to his brothers, written in Spanish .... was the guy Italian?
Britain was at war with Spain, which is why the raids were made. There were no extant treaties because they had been suspended because of the war
-Remember that in 1765 there were other settlers. They were there before the British.
It's is a fucking cheek for Argentina to use the French settlement as an argument when Spain itself never recognised the legitimacy of that settlement and pressured the French into handing it over even though Spain's claim of prior sovereignty had no basis whatsoever. There was no cession of sovereignty from France to Spain. France declared its own settlement illegitimate thereby losing any rights as first occupants - as if the occupation had never happened - first occupation passing by default to the British. If you are ahead in a race and you declare your presence in the race illegal and withdraw, you cannot cede your position to the one who is third. By default, the one who is in second position moves into first position.
-The expulsion of a garrison is grounds for war. (causus belli)
Argentina had not yet established any sovereignty over the Falklands
-They took the islands by force in time of peace between the 2 countries.
No force was used
-All British arguments were destroyed.
So they refuse to negotiate.
Last resort: self-determination.
Even if the Falklands were uninhabited, Argentina's claim would have no merit. Argentina never overcame the in - 1833 still existing Spanish claim. There was no inheritance from Spain, nor did Argentina ever establish effective control over the Falklands.
as no spannish or argentina who was alive at the time, is now dead,
you cant prove jack,
only interpret,
you cant have what you never had in the first place,
and you cant steel it either, you tried this and lost,
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you will never get them by talking
you know it, i know it,the whole bloody world knows it,
and as you are noe confind to talking ,
then you can never get them, except by force,
but as proved at the UN yesterday, all you can do is talk,
so your words are of no interest,,
just talk,,talk,,talk,,
you need to stop taking the funny fags geo.
if iwere writing any comments in french haitian accent ,
maltese , maori .........the editor would removed them....!!
by the way that
some spanish are synthetic language not south american spanish ...!!
Comments must be in English.
I really think that the only one way of finishing with this dispute, is taking the case to the i. c. j., in the same way that the u. k. suggested argentina in 1947 that it would accept to take the question for the dependencies to the court, it should do the same now, but with the malvinas-falklands cause. However, if none of the two parts decided to give that big step, i think it's because actually both are not so sure that their cases are going to triunf in the court, only a judgement from the i. c. j. can say what country has better rights.
On the other hand, it's really lamentable and pathetic the actual scenario of this dispute, both nations are not acting correctly, the u. k. conditions the negotiations to the wishes of the islanders, and argentina doesen't do anything to try to build a better relation with them, the politicians of both nations and the councellours from the islands, only play the victim and blame eachother.
I have always admired so much Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, specially her bravery, and hope that she's elected next month, but i dont like the way that her government handles some aspects of this long and painfull dispute.
If you want to read me in english ok, but it would be very dangerous for your eyes ;)
I think islanders need to know more about us, not just your impressions postwar.
All, british, argentines, even chilean, has dead people down your carpet; can't do anything about it, past are gone, get focus in the future!
Most of you don´t know what is a “provincia” in our Constitution.
You can get even more than now, if your people move smartly.
Argentina is growing very fast, as part of our country you recib money for coparticipation, investment plans, develop of fishing&oil and royalties, same as Rio Negro , Neeuquen, etc.
Our education is very good, free, health are great, free for all too-
Good food, good girls, good beer....thats is what my friend say about Argentina....how much do you need?
B.R. and sorry for my english
To be left alone would be a good start
you seem to suggest you have more secrets than geo is letting on,
return when you have changed your mind,the islands are british,
And they are british; they was born in SOUTH AMERICA, not in UK....do you understand that?
Islands could be british: but people inside are south americans-
No europeans, no americans...south american.
If you can asume that, well, all could be more easy-
B.R.
The French occupation was published. There were no British protest.
Spain protested the French presence. There were no British protest by the French occupation of the islands.
The transfer of the islands from France to Spain was public. There were no British protest.
The British illegal colony has always been hidden. Quite simply, there was no British protest because the islands did not belong.
Understands friend?
Why do we never see Argentina complain at the UN, OAS, Mercosur, C24 and International Philatelic Society about Guyane, officially a part of the European Union and ON the continent of South America? Why do you never complain about Aruba, Curaçao and Bonaire? Islands which freely choose to retain their links with the Netherlands and they are less than 40km from the South American coast? Why do you only have a problem with the Falkland Islands?
1766 -- first british settlements and spain acqusition french colony
1767 -- spanish de facto acqusitionof french converting to B.A admin
1770 -- spain expel british colony
1771 -- anglo-spanish peace treaty allows brits return to colony
1774 -- british withdrawal from colony
1776 -- bitish leave plaque to assert claim on abondoned colony
1811 -- spanish withdraws from colony
1816 -- U.P.S.A (later becomes Argentina) declared out from spain
1820 -- flag of river plate-argentina raised on islands
1828 -- argentine settlements colony founded
1831 -- usa-american warships destroy settlements
1832 -- argentina sends another governor who killed in mutiny which
organized by brits royal navy intelligence teams
1833 -- british forces return and grabbed the islands.
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They are British, and Argentina just has to get used to it,
But if you are going to get technical about it, you are south American, then you are not Americans then,,
Ok, so what if you were born in east America..or west America,
Are they then east Americans and west Americans,, and not south Americans,
You see it’s how you interpret things,
You interpret it your way,
And the rest of the world will interpret it their way,
savvy,
we understand that : ...
in 1776 Brits are expelled from region...........
in 1806 Brits attack on to invade La Plata ........
in 1807 Brits are expelled from this zone again ......
in 1811--1815 Spaniards withdrawn from region ....
in 1816 Argentina independent decleration .....
in 1831 Brits uses US warships ........
in 1833 Brits invade the islands (the revenge of 1806/07) .....
exactly this is formal piracy ...not anything else !!
There is a dispute of sovereignty as recognized by the UN
They are not our islands.
France keeps a territory on SA continental soil... would be interesting to compare the legal status of both (not quite the same though)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Guiana
in plain English,
you have no case,
argentina belongs to argentina
and the falklands belong to great britain,
do no blame us, because you have cells missing .
“There is a dispute of sovereignty as recognized by the UN”
Yes, the UN recognises the dispute. But where does the UN say the Falklands are Argentine territory, or that they should be Argentine territory? Every UN resolution re the Falkland Islands makes it clear that any solution has to respect the Falkland Islanders' right and that includes self determination. Time for Argentina to join the real world.
“They are not our islands”
You can say that again...
If this is so, what is she complaining about?
Or, as some might think,
This is pure and simple desperation, because no matter what she says, or threatens, it has absolutely no effect at all,
An embarrassment, self made and self induced.
,
Actually I can't even make it make sense on a Baldrick level of idiotic “cunning plans”.
A bit rough on the relatives of those conscripts buried at Darwin, they'll either have to get to Punta Arenas or Ascension to get there. Maybe the Islanders could arrange for a ship to take them (which would have to have a Falklands flag on the stern) to be helpful?
No RG's allowed?
Perhaps they will ban RG's with dual Passports from visiting?
Throw any RG's in the Islands out?
Declare a 200 mile exclusion zone around the Islands for all RG shipping and Aircraft?
In effect tell Arsentina to Falk off?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDgO6NIXe0A
And you must learn how to spell People :-))))))
Las Malvinas Argentinas
-I don't know if I wrote it right
Dont they teach you anything at that special school?
Its the Falklands are British
But where does the U.N. say the Malvinas has the right to self determination?
regards.
Maybe you need to learn a little geography and history.. here we got public schools and free universitys..if you come here, we can educate you, and free. Don't miss that chance!
The age of empire now it's only a videogame..those days are over.
See you
The UN quite clearly states that all peoples are entitled to Self Determination.
Self Determination is a human right, Human rights are entitled to all humans.
1766 -- history
1767 -- history
1770 -- history
1771 -- history
1774 -- history
1776 -- history
1811 -- history
1816 -- history
1820 -- history
1828 -- history
1831 -- history
1832 -- history
1833 -- history
1850 -- history
1885 -- history
1943 -- history
1961 -- history
1982 -- shamefull history
2011 -- Falklands British for 170+ years
2033-- 200 year celebration of successful eviction of pseudo Argentine usurpers
2082 -- 100 year celebration of 2nd successful eviction of Argentine usurpers
etc. etc. etc. i.e. we're not going anywhere, try another tack!
If self determination is just entitle to everybody just because it is a human right and thats all, then I can go to a caribean island, put a plaque say it is mine, buy a submarine and some arms, return with my family and friends, expell the people over there and voila self determination
regards.
INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON CIVIL AND POLITICAL RIGHTS, article 1 , first line: All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
It does not list people who are included or excluded. If you claim that we, Falkland Islanders do not have that right, then please, in the same breath, show where it says specifically that Argentines have the right to self determination. I would think you will have difficulty finding that too!
THERE IS ONLY ONE SOLUTION TO LAS MALVINAS AND THIS IS FINAL SOLUTION.
I WILL SAY THIS ONLY ONCE, ARGENTINA HAS A LONG HISTORY OF FASCISM AND WE WILL DEFEAT YOU!
Before agreeing with something, you better know what it means…………..
The UN INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON CIVIL AND POLITICAL RIGHTS, says alright:
”All peoples have the right of self-determination”
But ”peoples” in this case means Populations, not Individuals….
And, as we all well know, the British squatters in Malvinas are not a Population.
They are British citizens occupying foreign territory.
If you don’t believe me please read the same UN document in Spanish below:
”Artículo 1”
”1. Todos los PUEBLOS tienen el derecho de libre determinación. ”
www2.ohchr.org/spanish/law/cescr.htm
Saludos
El Think
Soppose that a guy puts a tent in your backyard, you don't know him, but you know that he has a very elegant house and a beautiful family, so you ask him to leave..but he doesn't want it, because there's a banana tree nearby. He tells you that he has right to “self determination”. You show the property papers (continental shelf) but he doesn't care, he just wants to steal your bananas and take them to his home..
“But where does the U.N. say the Malvinas has the right to self determination? regards.”
UN Charter
Chapter 1, Article 1, part 2
Referenced in every single UN Resolution regarding the Falklands and also in those about decolonisation in general.
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
Article 1
International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
Article 1
UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Article 15
I Rest My Case, M'lud :-)))))))))))))
is he your bloggers mole,
we thought as much .
If somebody is stealing your bananas in your property, you have to evict them right away. Don't wait 178 years to do that ....unless they are bigger and they can kick your ass in the process.... at that point, you negotiate! se entiende o no? :-))
199 ernvera,
The continental shelf does not determine sovereignty over anything.
''And, as we all well know, the British squatters in Malvinas are not a Population.''
No, we don't all know this. You made it up.
The fact that you say it doesn't make it true.
Who said you were in charge anyway?
nor are some Argies it would seem
FRANCE24-EN-Report-Argentina Dying of malnutrition
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBlYCCnh-II
“Enough said Abbas. That the Israelis to continue colonizing the West Bank cease and East Jerusalem for the parties to return to talk directly. Is a reasonable request, one does not negotiate with someone who is robbing the portfolio.”
We can say the same for you guys.
Stop robbing our resources; and then we can talk about anything-
77+CHINA say the same.
Can you ear the voice of the world? or just ear your voice?
By the way, nice party whit chilean citizens living there...is the F.Office playing whit them?
Poor guys, they don´t know where they are!
Saludos
jajaja Are there photos??
''Are there photos??''
Probably. Why don't you subscribe to the Penguin News and you'll be able to look at them. There are often photos of social events in there.
Do you have a point?
The O.N.U. recognize a sovereignty dispute between two countries therefore need to determine who is responsible for the territory.
For various historical and legal facts, self-determination is not possible.
It's just a haven after that all British arguments were destroyed.
Gracias por tu opinión y saludos
El Malvinense.-
You can ignore the fact that the Kosovo judgement highlights the importance of self-determination (and triumphs) in a sovereignty dispute, you can ignore the fact that you have to pervert history to manufacture a claim, you can ignore the fact that you signed away any claim in 1850 and you can ignore the fact that the same maps that stymied your claims in the Beagle Channel dispute also support the British case.
Hey El Thicko says different, so you smack each other on the back is self-righteous mutual masturbatio but it won't change the fact that the islands belong to the islanders and you're too chicken shit to take it to the one place that matters - the ICJ.
“But ”peoples” in this case means Populations, not Individuals….
And, as we all well know, the British squatters in Malvinas are not a Population.
They are British citizens occupying foreign territory.”
Not a polulation?
A population is defined: “Act or process of populating; number of people in a country; the inhabitants.”
The Falkland Islanders are the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands. They live there. It is in fact, that they inhabit the Flakland islands which Argentina is so miffed about.
They would only be occupying foreign territory if Argentina has proven their sovereignty claim. Argentina has not.
It really is quite simple, Argentina needs to take it's case to the ICJ. It is really the only recourse left open to Argentina as Britain will never negotiate sovereignty of the Falklands until the POPULATION of said islands wish it, and as Argentina has successfully managed to alienate itself from every single one of them with it's invasion of 82 and it's childish bully boy tactics of late, hell will probably have to freeze, thaw out and freeze again before they every wish for that to happen.
The point: Only to bother you directly.........
Please, correct me its I dont care of or I dont care for???
And the circus about the little (but very important) word “Peoples” on the first line of the INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON CIVIL AND POLITICAL RIGHTS continues……..:
It reads: ”All peoples have the right of self-determination.”
All to many Brutish turnips in here interpret the word “Peoples” on the line above as if it meant “Individuals” or “Persons”………….
Not so……………….
In this UN document “Peoples” means: ”A body of persons that are united by a common culture, tradition, or sense of kinship, that typically have common language, institutions, and beliefs.”
I ”Think” we can all agree that the current inhabitants of the Malvinas are a body of persons united by a common culture, tradition, sense of kinship, and that they have a common language, institutions, and beliefs.
They share the British culture, British traditions, an intime ”cousin marries cousin” kinship, the English language, British institutions, the Anglican belief and British Citizenship.
In one word, they are BRITISH…….........................
And as such; they are NOT entitled to Self-Determination on some foreign Islands 14,000 km away from home.
You are talking bollocks. As usual.
St Pierre and Miquelon. Made up almost entirely of people of French ancestry. Voted to integrated with France. Nobody said they were not entitled to self determination on the grounds they were already French.
And we British are not one people. We are 18 peoples
English, Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish
Manx, Jersey Islanders, Guernsey Islanders
Anguillians, Bermudians, British Virgin Islanders, Caymanians, Falkland Islanders, Gibraltarians, Montserratians, Pitcairners, St Helenians, Tristanians, Turks and Caicos Islanders.
1) I would be very very very carefull about mentioning St Pierre and Miquelon in connection with the Malvinas Issue.
Inform yourself about how Canada got almost everything they wanted and France barely ”saved face”.
2) The English, Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish, Manx, Jersey and Guersney islanders, Anguillians, Bermudians, British Virgin islanders, Caymanians, Montserratians, Pitcairners, St Helenians, Tristanians, Turks and Caicos islanders are all British and they may call themselves a people if they fancy, they do not occupy contested territory.................
That is not the case of the Malvinas (Falkland) islanders and the Gibraltareños.
In the case of Malvinas, they are just a bunch of British citizens occupying foreign territory.
they are just a bunch of argentine citizens occupying foreign territory.
what goes for one, must go for all,
leave the argentina bible at home, and live in the real world.
The Canada–France Maritime Boundary Case was a 1992 dispute between Canada and France that was decided by a court of arbitration which was created by the parties to resolve the dispute.
Take it to ICJ then Think,you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
In sociology, population refers to a collection of human beings
World English Dictionary
population (ˌpɒpjʊˈleɪʃən)
— n
1. ( sometimes functioning as plural ) all the persons inhabiting a country, city, or other specified place
2. the number of such inhabitants between 500/1,000
3. ( sometimes functioning as plural ) all the people of a particular race or class in a specific area:
4. the act or process of providing a place with inhabitants; colonization
5. ecology a group of individuals of the same species inhabiting a given area
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You appear to be saying that the status of any population depends entirely on whether another country chooses to claim their territory.
Since any country can choose to claim any other piece of territory on any grounds they like, however far- fetched, I can only conclude that you don't think anyone is entitled to be a 'people'.
Are you really saying that if the Americans decided they wanted Bermuda, the Bermudans would instantly turn into 'squatters'? How about if Britain decided it wanted Normandy back? How would you feel about those pesky Normans and their ludicrous wish to remain French?
Logic isn't your strong point is it? We have a status of our own and it doesn't depend on any claims you choose to make.
I know what you think that status is, but your opinion isn't that important really. And keep on repeating yourself just sounds like desperation.
No dearest Monty.... I do not appear to be saying that the status of any population depends entirely on whether another country chooses to claim their territory.
Because I am not saying that the status of any population depends entirely on whether another country chooses to claim their territory...............
......so what are they if someone decides to contest their territory? Nothing?
British 'squatters'?
What you decide to do in relation to your claim is completely arbitrary and out of our control, and therefore has no bearing on our status.
What would happen if a future Argentine government decided to drop the claim? Would we then have the right to claim independence from Britain? What do you think?
Sorry, I missed your question.
In this case, I'd say 'I don't care about the photos'. If you say 'I don't care for the photos' it means you don't like them and suggests they already exist.
Can you all pop over there and report the abuse - the threads are spammed enough with meaningless gibberish about the Falklands without someone trying to usurp them to sell handbags.
We'll be wading through even more crap if it's not knocked on the head.
Philippe
Once a regional leader, Argentina now finds itself increasingly isolated in the Western Hemisphere. Its government lies about inflation data and depends on economic largesse from Venezuela's oil-fueled tyranny. Argentina is no longer the “jewel of South America.” Today, it is among the “sick men” of South America, both economically and politically. The country can still recover its lost influence, but only if it makes a decisive break with the past eight years of Kirchnerism.
www.realclearworld.com/articles/2011/04/21/argentinas_kirchner_channels_chavez_99486.html
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Sometimes (very few) you are nice.....
I always have trouble with prepositions, verbs, etc
Yes they are.
you say that a “” monty/monteneros = teacher ( retired ?!?)
who is he /she ?? where ?? .... could she be Estelle's daughter ??
www.realclearworld.com/articles/2011/04/21/argentinas_kirchner_channels_chavez_99486.html
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amigo , you should ask these questions to a well known face - person on Argentina media not to Malen .
“The United Kingdom has sovereignty over seventeen territories which do not form part of the United Kingdom itself: 14 British Overseas Territories and three Crown Dependencies.
The fourteen British Overseas Territories are: Anguilla; Bermuda; the British Antarctic Territory; the British Indian Ocean Territory; the British Virgin Islands; the Cayman Islands; the Falkland Islands; Gibraltar; Montserrat; Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha; the Turks and Caicos Islands; the Pitcairn Islands; South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands; and the Sovereign Base Areas on Cyprus. British claims in Antarctica are not universally recognised.”
So... GO BACK HOME ! ! !
can these islands' ££ monetary values cover up the UK finance deficits ?
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