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Argentine president at UN threatens to suspend Falklands’ air link with Chile
Argentine president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, CFK, threatened to review and suspend the Falklands/Malvinas air link with Chile, covered by the 14 July 1999 agreement, unless the UK abides by UN resolutions and begins talks with Argentina on disputed South Atlantic Islands’ sovereignty. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesYet another nail.................
Sep 21st, 2011 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oooopsssss
Sep 21st, 2011 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I listened to the whole speech and the interpreter was having trouble with her rambling words. If his translations were correct - her voice was drowned out by his - then she made some weird statements. (I referred to them in another post)
Sep 21st, 2011 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She cannot demand that the five permanent members be abolished. It will never happen.
our Malvinas Islands
Sep 21st, 2011 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-))))))))))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ9c-wC6x-g
4 ElaineB Learn the language and problem solved.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos……
Sep 21st, 2011 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We in South-America still get those third rank monolingual so-called “experts”.
This is going to change soon………………
@ 6 Learn to read. I said in my post that I could not hear her because the U N live streaming has interpreters speaking over the non-English speakers.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-)))
Sep 21st, 2011 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeahhhhh Marcos......
Sep 21st, 2011 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You better learn to read what ElaineB didn't write..............
Or she'll never invite you to one of her candlelight dinners............
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Sep 21st, 2011 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ElaineB
Sep 21st, 2011 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I said you before and the Malvinas Islands are Argentina, and the recovery time will be soon without having to recover as we did in '82 by the forces
I would like to know, why is your interest in our Islands?, you are not Eeglish you are from American Central, or maybe you invest the oil in Argentinas Malvinas Islands? =-)))
@12 What? What are you trying to say?
Sep 21st, 2011 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10 From my earlier post “If his translations were correct - her voice was drowned out by his ......”
What did you think of her speech?
Looks like all the indoctrinated argie are here, all following each others words,
Sep 21st, 2011 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well well well,
of all the threatening moaning crying and acting like a spoilt child, all Argentina could muster, at the greatest platform she will ever talk at,
WHAT DOES SHE DO
We will stop flights to the Falklands,
And you argie bogglers get of, on this pathetic childish speech
If that is all the great Argentina can muster, ,
Then even the rats in the sewer has nothing to fear,
Talk talk, that’s all you can do now talk talk and talk,
So carry on bragging, whilst the rest of the world laughs at you,
One day you will understand just what she is doing to a once great country,
Destroying it, for her own vanity,
Deluded or what,
Carry on kids,,carry on .
10 Think, That's ok, English food sucks :-)
Sep 21st, 2011 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since she realized that the flight beteween P.Arenas and Malvinas is getting close to an end she's rambling her words and writing weird statements.
Bit of a Incentive to get the Falkland Saint Helena air bridge up and running
Sep 21st, 2011 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.sainthelenaaccess.com/news/2011/01/28/airport-project-update-invitation-to-tender/
Here it is...
Sep 21st, 2011 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://gadebate.un.org/sites/default/files/gastatements/66/AR_es.pdf
I wonder if the Argies will be thanking the Iranians for their support over the “Malvinas question”?
Insulting to the Palestinians if anything, trying to compare their pain and suffering to Argentia's imagined loss...
She talks about UN resolutions which call for negotiations over “nuestas malvinas”, when not a single resolution recognizes the Falklands as Argentine. She conveniently forgets to mention the rights to self determination in UN Charter, which Argentina ratified, when she mentions multilateralism...
Rambling, incoherent, factually incorrect, self obsessed...
we're getting nearer and nearer, I can feel the cold winds of the morning in the islands caressing my rosy cheeks. running naked through the islands like a marathon from one corner to the other, what a pleasure, and with scissors in my hands!!!
Sep 21st, 2011 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's solve this matter once and for all by destroying a bunch of Spanish rebellious colonists. Could Argentina withstand full scale British action? I think not. So let's do it. If you are being bothered by ants, snails, slugs, what do you do? You destroy them. Anybody have a problem with destroying argie slugs? I don't. It's not as though they are human.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But for the sake of 18, be ready for your scissors to be used. On that useless lump of flesh between your legs. You don't need it.
clock is ticking !!!! can you feel it ???
Sep 21st, 2011 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0tick tack tick tack
You can keep your silence, but you cannot let the argies to stop talking on the UN.
tick tack tick tack , for you all english who lives on the Islands.
Clock is ticking?
Sep 21st, 2011 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Threats, racist jibes, taunts, childish insults.
Doesn't tend to work with the British, they tend to stand up to bullies. Like most bullies, they strong with the weak and weak with the strong.
Silly, stupid threat and the only people it will hurt are the Argentine families of those buried at Goose Green.
You behave like little children.
i just learn excellency CFK spoken at unUN....
Sep 21st, 2011 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if she said 5 demode permanent members must be removed then i kiss
and congratulate her for why boldness..
who are these demode 5 five-gangs ??
[ USA + CHINA +RUSSIA ] Co.Ltd and
it's subcontractors/tails are UK +FRANCE.... !!
i think/believe that there will be no any peace /welfare in the world
unless these quintet will go fragmentation ....!!
The only thing that's happened here is Think got all over excited about, well..Nothing.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rambling amusing rhetoric, makes one smile on a cold wintery afternoon here! Talk about cutting of your nose to spite your face! No flight means no more Argentine passport holders allowed to land in the Islands even by sea, and no more next of kin family visits unless organized as very occasional special Int Red Cross flights like pre 1999 - and they were not cheap flights lady were they!
Sep 21st, 2011 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since when did the UN General Assembly or the Decol .Committee have the power to pass binding resolutions? - oh sorry forgot we are dealing with a nation in fantasyland!
Well done CFK, you have just made yourself look foolish and embarrassed your nation in front of the world, chuckle chuckle.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like Argentina is hell bent on stopping it's citizens (especially the families of the war veterans) from visiting the graves of the fallen. Wouldn't preventing a fly over piss LAN and Chile off.
If this flight stops then there are two others available, including the oil charter via Miami.
The drilling continues. Yummy!
port stanley, get ready for me!!!
Sep 21st, 2011 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[] - 24 islandeers
Sep 21st, 2011 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0which islands are you from ?? ..anyway ..
i am a history ignorant..researched about
British/1806/Argentina invasion but i didn't anythings
do you know this historical event in detailed...
if you know/ tell me ..i'll be very glad......!!
Can't say this is much of a surprise. Bunch of cowardly bullies.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It'll be a shame when Argentine veterans and their families can't visit any more, or argentine journalists or sporting types, or cruise ship passengers with Argentine passports.
A pity to give a new generation of Falkland Islanders cause to really hate Argentina. And to give a whole load of Chileans cause to hate Argentina more than they already do.
I guess someone somewhere thinks it's worth it. But what a bizarre world they must live in.
The LAN Chile flight wouldn't stop. It simply means no stop over at Rio Gallegos. No hardship to the islanders.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It probably would stop. It did last time. We do have more options now though.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Xbox - how do you intend to get there?
Sep 21st, 2011 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately she got the name wrong (as well as lots of other things). These Islands are the Falkland Islands....Check out the UN facts of life woman, before you start bleating!
Sep 21st, 2011 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19. The day, God forbid, one of your family members or close friends is victim to terrorism you will abandon this line of thought. Of course the UK can wipe out Argentina - just fire a couple of Trident missiles and the job is half done. But that won't end your problems - it will make them worse. You say this because you fail at establishing a link between terrorism and the intolerant, trigger-happy and “status-quo” thinking of certain first-world leaders.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't be too hard on her it is obvious her meds were out of balance today.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 022
Sep 21st, 2011 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i just learn excellency CFK spoken at unUN....
if she said 5 demode permanent members must be removed
who are these demode 5 five-gangs ??
[ USA + CHINA +RUSSIA ] Co.Ltd and
it's subcontractors/tails are UK +FRANCE
GEO GEO GEO GEO GEO
PLEASE LET ME ASK, JUST WHOS SIDE ARE YOU ON,
It aint argentines is it,
You say she is demanding the removal of 5 members,
INCLUDING CHINA,
Who backs you up, and is your very bestes new friend,
If you really are argentine, god help them, crackers or what.
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33 Troneas (#) Sep 21st, 2011 - 10:01 pm Report abuse
@19. The day, God forbid, one of your family members or close friends is victim to terrorism you will abandon this line of thought
Are you saying that only argentina knows what it is like to be visited by terrerest,
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Where do you argie bloggers get these guys,
Straight from the loony bin ..
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Morning all - same old, same old I see.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Referring to the nox-existent Resolutions from a hardly existent sub-committee.
Seems she's heard about the rumours of an increase in flights to Ascension ... and that runway on St.Helena :-)
Nothing new then :-)
nothing was mentioned on the british news channels
Sep 21st, 2011 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0still,,, try again in ten years time
Can't find very much anywhere as yet ... maybe later.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good picture in the Buenos Airies Herald I thought ..... all those empty seats :-)
bet the bar was full lol.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is the same old, same old.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0The drip, drip, drip approach by a bunch of fascists.
Britain should ignore these goons and warn them than any attempt at a blockade of the Falklands will be considered an act of war and if necessary we are prepared to use ICBM's.
12 Kiwisarg
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let me make this quite clear, the Falkland Islands are NOT called malvinas, they have NEVER been called malvinas, they are NOT your islands, have NEVER been your islands, they belong to the Falklands people, they are not Argentine, they are British and were claimed and settled by Britain before Argentina even existed.
You are like small minded pathetic Nazi's who believe you have a right to other peoples land.
The people who live in the Falklands are all that matter. It is their land. Your opinions don't count. Your wish to own other peoples land is insane. You are like the Israeli's who want to kick Palestinians out of their homeland.
If the people of Patagonia wanted independence from Argentina it would be their right.
The UN upholds the right of people everywhere for self determination. The Falklands have that right protected by the UN and there is NOT a thing your country can do about it short of invading. You are in the wrong and you always will be.
There people of the Falklands are free and will remain free, comprende?
41 Lost 1
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Obama call Malvinas why I can not call Malvinas our Islands, Please Have a look the Link.
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/06/09/uk-press-reacts-to-obama-s-support-for-argentina-in-the-malvinas-islands-issue
Obama, is a British puppet! He was born British in Kenya, his mother is direct relation to Queen of England, his father work as spy for British, his grandfather as soldier in WW1. He is their puppet! America and Britain are same! Anglo Evil Empire!
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where was America in 1982? Where was UN? Where was EU? All on side of British! Who needs them? We should invade and remove all.
The people of las malvinas have three options 1. leave, 2. be reborn as Argentine like Bob Peck, or 3. Die!
28 Monty69 “And to give a whole load of Chileans cause to hate Argentina more than they already do”
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Monty, do you remember when Chile suspended the flights to Malvinas for several months following Pinochet's arrest?
Did you complain back then?
Pinochet was a good man but is failure was to support the British and what did they do for him?
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is same for all Chians they are stupid mindless apes and will be owned by Argentina soon.
Chile people are our problem and have always been so. The sooner this problem is removed the sooner we can expand into the Pacific basin, we need also las malvinas and control of South Atlantic and Antartica.
We must rid ourselves of all anglos in latin america, they are the source of all problems!!!! Without those the Chile will be Argentina and we will rip their hearts out and their minds will follow.
Argentina needs more Lebensraum.
Typical Cristina - head down, butt up
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Red cheeks all round :-)
I think she knows about the eggs :-))
http://lordton1955.wordpress.com/2011/09/22/cristina-fernandez-head-down-at-the-un/
She is so ugly, i do not think she is a real female!
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Geo- I live in the Falkland Islands and my family has done for nearly 170 years - how long has yours lived in Argentina?
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 01806? - Britain was not invading argentina - it did not actually exist! Britain was at war with France and Spain and had been for some time- so Britain was attacking SPANISH territory possesions - just the same as they all attacked each others in the Carribean - some places there changed hands several times a year! That attack in 1806 had NOTHING to do with Argentina!
Marcos there are now an awful lot more folk from Chile living here than there were in 1999- a a lot more business now between Chile and the Islands than what existed in 1999.
We could always pay Lan the extra fuel to go southabout down around Cape Horn and back up this side out of your territorial area.
48 Islander1
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is a fact that Chile suspended the flights to the islands for several months, did not matter how many Chileans live there at that time, they did not care.
“We could always pay Lan the extra fuel to go southabout down around Cape Horn and back up this side out of your territorial area”
Sounds like the islanders “special orders” coming with LAN are going to go up quite a bit, don you think?
“ 1806 – In June, British forces under the command of General William Carr Beresford, occupy Buenos Aires for 46 days before being defeated. The 71st Regiment of Foot lose both their Regimental Colours.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0[The initiative for the attack came from Sir Homes Rigg Popham who was subsequently censured by a court-martial for leaving his post in order to pursue the action. The British Crown at no time authorised the attack. Beresford managed to escape after 6 months imprisonment.]
1807 – In July, another British force under Lieutenant-general John Whitelocke, attempts to take Buenos Aires by force. Unused to urban combat, the British are again defeated by a mixed militia assisted by local inhabitants.”
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1772-1822/
1806 was an unauthorised action and the Commander was prosecuted.
Islander is quite correct, a matter between Spain and Britain - nothing to do with what became Argentina rather later!
You continue to place the stupid link by LORDTONTO....
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0The pamphlet sucks.....
Full of lies and inacuracies...
@51 Marvin(#)
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The pamphlet sucks.....
Full of lies and inacuracies...”
What are you trying to say? That is not how is taught to the Hitler Youth? oooops ... sorry.... Kirchner Youth.......
@48 And we will be pleassed to send our planes through the Cape Horns to Mount Pleasant airport whenever you need them......and ships also.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0British Gvt. acomplished with their laws and Captain General Augusto Pinochet Ugarte went back to his homeland free and safe.....
BTW, as well as Argentine is asking for Iranian terrorist, why Argentina doesn´t bring back the terrorist killer of Chilean Senator Jaime Guzman Errazuriz and give them the political refugee status ??? Double face, at least....
@ Better if you get swimming classes from now on.....
The only way to resolve this soverignity dispute is respecting the self determination right of the people from the disputed territory.....Other thing doesn´t matter....
50 Redhoyt, The British failed invasions of 1806/1807 has a lot to do with nowadays Argentina, the same locals that defeated the English back then started the revolution against the Spaniards soon after. So after the English defeat in the mainland(twice) all they can do is to invade a small group of islands adjacent to our mainland.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0You missed the celebration in London:
BBC
“Britain's 'forgotten' invasion of Argentina”
“A second, better-resourced invasion followed in May 1807, under Lieutenant-General John Whitelock, attacking Buenos Aires in July. After a couple of days of intense street fighting, the British surrendered to an army it had considered no more than a rabble.
After losing more than half his force, the British signed a ceasefire on 7 July and left for home, where Whitelock was court-martialled and discharged”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4779479.stm
As I said the 1806 action was unauthorised and not on behalf of the British Government. In effect, your rabble was fight our rabble!
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0As 'Argentina' is hardly discernable in its modern form much before 1853, I don't see how you can claim any victory, unless you claim it for the spanish of course.
Nice comments from the US I see :-)
“Obama praised Cameron as ”outstanding“ and hailed the Anglo-American special relationship. ”Obviously there is an extraordinarily special relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom,“ the president said. ”I have always found Prime Minister Cameron to be an outstanding partner, so I am very grateful for his friendship, his hard work, his dedication and his leadership on the global stage.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/sep/22/david-cameron-world-leaders-civilians?newsfeed=true
Its remarkable how little coverage Lubra Lip's speech received in the world at large... oh here is a bit ...
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 02:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/un_diplos_gone_wild_in_nyc_RTRbSHxyi3mtFxLoUAhYEM?utm_campaign=Post10&utm_source=Post10Alpha
Louboutins no less ...
I see the resident parrot is still scratching around in the bottom of its cage looking for titbits of irrelevance ...
That Guardian link may not work. Apparently they printed too soon and have had to take the story down until later !
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse 053 Sergio Vega “And we will be pleassed to send our planes through the Cape Horns to Mount Pleasant airport whenever you need them......and ships also”
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 03:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0So why then you can not bring those engines anymore?
The North Americans will not support the British in any serious confrontation between Britain and South America over the Malvinas.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 03:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0You will witness this for yourselves when the Islanders start exporting Oil during the same year of the presidential race in North America when Obama and the Republicans are fighting for the votes of 70 million Hispanic americans and 6 million american Jews many of whom have extensive interests in South America thru banks like Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan - particularly with the largest Jewish population in South America which is in Buenos Aires.
The USA of Ronald Reagan has gone my friend - buried beneath the dream of multuculturalism and corporate interests so you are on your own and if you believe that those unelected, unacountable bunch of self-serving retards in Brussels will support you then you really must e living in cuckoo land.
And I would advise against using Tony Bliar as a peace envoy to Argentina as the first thing he would do is sell British interests down the river like he did in Libya.
Sad when you British cannot even trust your own people.
tick tock tick tock..........
They won't fight for you either, rather they will retreat to their renowned nuetrality.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0And if we are pumping oil by then .... the USA may be interested in buying, if not you can bet the Chinese will be :-)
The FIG may even be able to subsidise flights ?
Ain't the future rosy lol
British flags captured in the reconquest of Buenos Aires. 1806.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Buenos Aires Museum 71 Highlanders http://i36.tinypic.com/2h6xflc.jpg
IF you are lucky Redhoyt the Chinese might buy just enough of your oil to make the directors of your oil comapnies and maybe 20 Islanders into billionaires before the British taxpayers get told they have to find a billion dollars a year to defend the Malvinas against a furious and belligerant South America.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 04:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British press will love that and I can imagine the headlines even now
“Cameron wants a billion quid a year to defend Britain's most southerly council estate”!
Mike Summers will probably reply like he did in 1999 and suggest independence from Britain and a deal with Argentina - including
an Argentine defence force on the Islands t0 protect those truck loads of cash.
Suspending the air link on the flights from Chile to Malvinas is a threaten?? really??
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 04:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is on the diplomatic and pacific way for many years now. The threatens here are the british missile essays, the media operation about some possible petrol extraction, the statements from the british government about the weapons of war that they have to “defend” the islands (defend from what? surely defend from a threat that they would like to be truth and not only a british invention at the media).
But Argentina is on the peaceful way, claiming for the right to keep southamerica for southamericans and not europeans. Great Britain position will go on loosing more and more support on the International Community, and they need to play dirty.
Even when the ONU structure is unfair for its Security Council, even when Great Britain's conservative government keeps on making this world UNSAFER in stead of making it more peaceful, even then Argentina keeps claiming with transparency and diplomacy.
Fermin - Cristina has done exactly the right thing. If the flights are stopped the Islanders are trapped on that rock of theirs and they will not like it.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 04:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is well known that the islanders do not like being stuck in that rainswept swamp for more than three months at a time.
Now that they will lose those happy little breaks shopping in Buenos Aires or Santiago they will go crazy.
Viva Cristina ! at last she begins to do the right things.
Well, it is almost funny pretending to get Argentina's help transportation when our country has suffered this invasion for so many years. 180 years now.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is really a pity that the british good people, the ones who want a more democratic world, those who want clear rules for global coexistence, are represented today by this conservative government that needs to do something about this crisis that is affecting the british workers.
This world needs clearer rules, more democratic media to let people around the world really know what is affecting their lives in stead of pretending that crisis come our of nowhere and pressing weak governments to pay the FINANCIAL HUNGER of a few bankers with Public Founds.
I keep on thinking that it is almost childish the meaning this portal gives to Argentinian's statements, calling the possibility of a logic action as an air link suspension a “threaten”. But well, here we are the readers to add some responsible deepness to the ideas that flow from every article.
Malvinas on the hands of conservative British is not even better for the common british men and women, it is only a very strategic military point in the South Atlantic. It is colonialism. I am not a fanatic of Cristina, it just makes you feel proud when you see that the government of your country is not ESCAPING from dialogue at the UN, but facing it, even when the structure of this Institution is not democratic. It is about living with DIGNITY, in its deep and real meaning.
Great Britain's story is not the story of a power that goes around the world protecting small group of europeans out of europe in the name of the WORLD PEACE and JUSTICE. Let's put things as they are.
#62 - you really do live in a fantasy, the islanders' have already said that they'd prefer to use British troops to protect their money, and will hlp pay for the privelage. And anyway the British people don't mind paying. To rack you lot off it'll be worth every penny.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 05:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0#63 - Vermin - Argentina is some kind of pussy then, is that what you are saying? Not a bullying, beligerent neighbour at all? All sweetness and light?
OxBoll !
#64 - Err fantasy, what about the flights she cannot stop ? What about the new airport on St. Helena ? What if Chile doesn't want to stop? You've got to stop smokin' that stuff!
#65 Vermin - did you know that at one time Argentina actually wanted to increase the air traffic to the Falkland Islands?
“ .. 2003 – In November, the Argentine government withdraws permission for charter flights to the Falklands to over-fly Argentine airspace. Argentina also demands that HMG should negotiate with them to arrange scheduled flights directly from Argentina to the Falklands and that they were not willing to talk to Falkland Islands representatives...”
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/2000-2010/
Make your minds up :-)
Redhoyt - The Islanders don't care who defends the Islands as long as they can get their hands on the money. They made this very clear when they thought they had found oil in 1999 and were willing to discuss a deal with Argentina.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 06:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0You think the British will be happy to pay for the privilege of watching the islanders become billionaires without a penny coming back to Britain?
We shall see what the British press have to say about it.
Kirchner WILL stop the Lan Chile flights as she knows it will mean that Britain will be pressured to increase the number of seats on the UK-Malvinas flights and perhaps the number of flights - at enormous extra cost to the UK taxpayer.
The St Helena airport project has been cancelled. It was announced in Parliament just a week ago. Britain is broke remember?
British flags captured in the reconquest of Buenos Aires. 1806.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0something more up to date
Argentinian Pucara, captured in the Falklands
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stephenlord/2057846230/
“ ... They made this very clear when they thought they had found oil in 1999 and were willing to discuss a deal with Argentina...”
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0They were never willing to discuss sovereignty ! Never willing to become Argentines !
You've forgotten about the 'oil' flights.
You've also forgotten that Fernandez cannot stop the Chilean flight, she can make it go around, but not stop it!
I can find nothing about St. Helena being cancelled. The tender went in in June and is being considered. Nothing from St. Helena -
http://www.sartma.com/country_SH.html
What's you evidence?
And we are not that broke :-)
42 Kiwisarg
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you change your name before you piss real Kiwis off? They'll probably staple your ears to Filippo's thighs...
The St Helena airport project has been cancelled.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0The St Helena airport scheme was given the green light last July by the international development secretary, Andrew Mitchell. The bill for the airport – between £100m and £300m – will be footed by Britain. The leisure complex, to be built only if the airport scheme goes ahead, would be funded by a luxury holiday development consortium, the St Helena Leisure Corporation (Shelco).
Britain is broke remember
Not that Broke
The Department for International Development's overall £7.8bn budget has been unaffected by the government's deficit-cutting measures
[] - 55 Red
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0you don't tell us how British withdrawn from 1806 invasion !!??
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are you sure your US argument that is true ??
Let's ask to prime minister Chamberlain about “” War Plan Red “” ??
in American therminogy “” Red Empire “” doesn't define
China, Russia, nor Nazi Germany ...!!
[] - 35 brit
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0let's be realistic that noone can remove [ USA +CHINA +RUSSIA] Co.Ltd
but France +UK can be removed there...already this binary has no
notably global powers to have dominant tools except limited few banking and mining corps......
there are many silent supporters for likely this removing...
Latin America...Arabs....India...Turks...Germany..Italy..Spain...etc...
[] - 43 flipy
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0merely Barry Obama's grandfather is true in you wrote..
the others ( British relations...) not true...!!
BUT
i must say that i know some/very details about Barry since 1986 !!
that's enough !!
Fantazum - you are in fantary man!! Nobody here in 1998 thought we were goiny to have oil! It always was ansd still IS a maybe! But in 2011 its looking much more positive so far.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0We actually PAY good money to UK for seats on the military charter flights - they would like us to buy lots more seats - that is a FACT!
No Arg action can nor will ever force us or Uk to a negotiating table - simply because there never will be a negotiating table as Arg well stated public position is that only negotiations that can happen will be over the date of their enforced takeover of our Government - now that is not a negotiating position - its is- and was and remains a simple threat!
We also have a commercially funded fortnightly flight to UK that will become weekly in the new year, also it is likley that in the next 12 months or so another one will start weekly to USA.
So your lunatic lady can cut her own people off from here if she wishes - her choice! That would not be instant either - 1999 when the Chilean Govt rightly was annoyed at UK arresting Pinochet they wanted Lan to cut instantly - Lan politley pointed out they were a reputable Int airline with contractual obligations - so it was several months I recall before they stopped. And they can today still fly the long way around.But of couse Arg can always threaten to stop all their operations in Arg if they carried on fligghts to us! - No that would really cripple your internal aviation if Lan withdrew wouldnt it!!
The amazing rant by CFK shows just how much the world cares. Hardy a word has been written in the International press other than to inform us she has purchased a new pair of $5000 shoes.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina is calling for compliance with any of the 10 UN resolutions in this regard, or the 29 resolutions of the Decolonization Committee of 11 OAS resolutions.” YET ANOTHER LIE FEED TO THE ARGENTINIAN PEOPLE, THE UN HAS ISSUED NO RESULUTIONS AGAINST BRITAIN AT ALL.
@76 Every one of the people sitting in the half empty hall would know that.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe she bought so many pairs of shoes so she can distribute them to the poor?
49 Marcos Alejandro
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Proof that a large section of Argentine society are insane, they are fixated on conflicts that took place over 200 years ago before their country even existed.
I wonder if they learn the roll of the Kirchner dynasty in some of their countries darker but much more recent past? They are in fact fascists.
But far easier to whip up anger at conflict between Britain and Spain at the turn of the 18th and 19th centuries.
I have news for Argentina, it is the TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY and the right of the people of the Falklands to choose their sovereignty and not be subjected to Argentine expansionist jackboots is protected by international law, the UN and the UK and European Union.
The only people reading this site who do not seem to draw the conclusion that you people, the ultra patriots, the malvinas fixated loons, of Argentina are in fact fascists are yourselves. The question has to be is it a matter of limited intelligence, bad education, forced propaganda, or just nationalistic zeal that makes you believe you have a right over people of other lands?
@76 Zool
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0It was twenty pairs of $5k shoes rather than one pair...
@79 what are the odds that she paid cash ... $US ... or was it the taxes of the argentine workers?
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0After all ... she has 40 feet :-)
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0With you head in the sand, you have to show SOMETHING :-))
Do I hear the sound of a gun being cocked and pointed at CFK's foot.....I'm sure the veterans families might have a word or two to say about this :)
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good old princesa botoxica CKF. She can stop LAN going to Gallegos, but she can't stop LAN going to MPA. She is the laughing stock of the world...
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's “tick tock” Hipolyte, not “tick tack”. Please get it right.
Oh, and we all know Filippo is second cousin once removed of Benito Mussolini. I bet he's really proud of that. He's not so proud of the fact that he couldn't hack it in Canada. Still, I wonder why he doesn't take up the Italian passport he is entitled to and have a go at living in Europe. It's much easier than in Canada... I can assure him...
A comment I incorrectly posted on another story! Bloody Mercopress loaded the wrong page. They must be pirate haters! Here it is...
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah yes. This is another nail in the coffin. These nails Think speaks of...does he know that these nails are just rhetoric? No action, just words. Talking doesnt hammer nails into a coffin, but actions can. But yes, by all means, keeps these imaginary nails coming! These “nails” have been hammered into the Falklands coffin for years, and yet nothing has changed! And nothing will. I will die long after Think has, and I will be buried in Stanley, with the British flag still flying over the Secretariat.
You got to love those nails!
I believe LAN is now the second largest airline in the world... big enough to tell Lubra Lips to go root one of her many fancy new boots....
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Extra cost in leaving Staten Island to the north and hanging a right at Yendegaia? 4/5ths of not very much in the scheme of things ... SAA and SABENA went all the way to and from Europe for years without overflying the darker bits of Africa....
Rufus, I think the point is the only thing anyone outside of Argentina is talking about is her shoes. Not exactly the impact she was hoping for when addressing the world at the UN, But then what does she expect when she rants on about resolutions that don't even exist to the very people who issue them & follows it by demanding the 5 permanent members give up their power.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I heard all the c. f. k. statement, it lasted 28 minutes, she was as clear as usuall, i agree with most she argued, but respecting what she said about the malvinas question, there are some points that i dont agree.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's obvious that the u. k. wont resume the negotiations, it will keep on conditioning to resume the dialogue, to the will of the islanders, like it does since 1982. The only way of finishing with this dispute, is taking the case to the i. c. j, unfortunatelly, nor argentina nor the u. k. suggested it in the last 29 years, if none of the parts decides to give that big step, we will keep on wasting time, we will receive surelly more support by others nations, and there will be much more resolutions by the decolonization committee, but the u. k. will remain in it's posture, she never said that the u. k. must transfer the sovereignty of the islands to argentina, she only said that the u. k. must comply unless with one resolution from the u. n., where the two parts are called to resume the dialogue, and there is not any invocation of trasference of sovereignty for none of the two countries. Like i said in many others oportunities, the solution for the soveeignty dispute, which is the main problem, can't depend only on the wishes of the islanders, like the u. k. always manifests, it depends on both, you always reffer what our constitution says about our claim, however it can say whatever, if both nations are called to negotiate, it's obvious that we will have to cede in some aspects of our pretentions, you can't be so myopic and ignore that fact, only a judgement from the i. c. j. can say what country has better rights, and in consecuence what's the solution for this conflict, if the two nations dont propose to take that decition, i think it's actually because none of the two parts are so sure that their cases are going to triunf.
Sorry Axel but the UN has never issued any resolutions against the UK.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The decolonization committee has only issued an advisory to both parties to seek a peaceful solution.
1947: Britain first offers to take the sovereignty dispute to the ICJ. Argentina does not accept.
1948: Britain again offers to take the sovereignty dispute to the ICJ. Argentina declines.
1955: Britain unilaterally refers the sovereignty dispute to the ICJ. Argentina refuses to attend & indicates that it will not accept any judgement issued by the ICJ.
How am I suppose to visit Isolde if the flight is cancelled? :-))
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It is obvious the UK cannot claim sovereignty over a territory that's 14,000 kilometres away from their land” affirmed the Argentine president.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, right! I suppose the US can't claim sovereignty over Hawaii either, or France over St Perre and Miqelon. Nitwits! Even Guatemala has renounced its claim on Belize (formerly British Honduras), and Belize borders Guatemala! The Islanders don't want to be part of Argentina any more than Belize wants to be part of Guatemala!
The decisions of the sub-Committee of a sub-Committee are not Resolutions at all!
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If UNGA Resolutions are merely 'advisory', the the C24's decisions don't amount to very much.
Axel - the UK has been recognising the Islander's rights since November 1966 at least!
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1960-1966/
78 Anti-Fascist, “I have news for Argentina, it is the TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY”
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have news for Britain and you, it is the TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY and Britain can not hide its colonial claim to the oil resources(if any) under the sea bed of South America by sheltering behind the 'rights' of its colonists.
“Sorry” for the flights inconvenience.
Zool, the UK has referred the dispute over the Falkland Island Dependencies, ie South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands to the ICJ, but never for the Falkland Islands themselves.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel, you say “she she only said that the u. k. must comply unless with one resolution from the u. n., where the two parts are called to resume the dialogue, and there is not any invocation of trasference of sovereignty for none of the two countries”
If that is true, then why did she refer to them as “nuestras islas Malvinas”?
You have never properly explained how your president could ever negotiate over the Falklands with an open agenda when she has sworn to uphold the Argentine constitution, which only allows a straight transfer of sovereignty. No other outcome is constitutionally acceptable to Argentina. How can you even call what you are asking for “negotiations”?
The UK does not have a claim or a dispute, it has had open possession of the Falklands for 178 years, along with a strong claim to them dating to 1765. It is Argentina who disputes this, and it is Argentina who has a claim. Why does Argentina not take their claim to the ICJ? Argentina has nothing to lose and everything to gain...
Lady Gaga !
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 092 Marcos Alejandro
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever you think is Britain's secret agenda or what I may think is Argentina's secret agenda the fact remains - it is the people of the Falkland Islands who are the only people who count in regards to where they stand on the right of self determination. The problem is while your country continues to threaten them, they require Britain, it is a catch 22 situation.
I don't care who has sovereignty of the Falklands, I care about the right of the people there to self determination. The fact is they depend on the UK to guarantee that right, in response to Argentina's claims. Your country in that respect has a self defeating agenda.
I'd be interested to know what your opinion is on the right of Falkland Islanders? Maybe like the majority of Argentine posters on here you believe they have no rights, other than accept Argentine sovereignty?
That is never going to happen.
But it would be great if someday mutual respect could be attained and closer relations built with their natural neighbor that served both interests and not just one. That can never happen while the Argentinean constitution claims the Falkland Islands and insists on duristriction over them and their people.
It is obvious the UK cannot claim sovereignty over a territory that's 14,000 kilometres away from their land” affirmed the Argentine president
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But the Argies can claim
Isla Martín García an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The enclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters
Argentina has so many troubles that CFK speech about Falklands is only a distraction for her own people. Argentinians stole Isla Martin García to control de channel for cargoships to the north of Uruguay and interfere with it´s economy
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have to give CFK credit for one thing. She can spout garbage without blushing!
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33 Britain is already resisting and fighting terrorists. Muslims, various Africans and Argentina. That last is, of course, state terrorism. By the way, I don't have a family. Lost them years ago. Close friends? Only a couple. But thanks for asking. Would you be surprised to know my country comes first? Especially against greasy, slimy dagos.
@40 Have you not noticed that Britain already ignores Argentina? CFK should notice the long-time British policy of not negotiating with terrorists.
@43 It appears that Obama was born in Honolulu. When did that get moved to Kenya? But do by all means try another invasion. Last time we had 80 Royal Marines. Next time there will be 500 infantry troops, combat aircraft, surface warships and an unknown number of submarines. Nothing nicer than a bit of target practice. I don't think we should stop until there are at least 10,000 argie dead. Then we could move on to the cities!
@45 We can help! Just as a start we could reduce your population to around 4 million.
@49 Punta Arenas to MPA = 531 miles. Using an aircraft with a range of over 5,000 miles? Possibly escorted by Chilean F-16s and RAF Eurofighter Typhoons. Whatcha gonna do?
@62 We don't have to find a billion dollars. Because we don't use dollars. Did you notice that Britain currently spends £365 million a year on defence of OUR Islands. And that's 0.03% of Britain's GDP. So if we multiply our defence cost by a factor of 3, it will still be less than 0.1% of our GDP.
@63 Trouble is that you “South Americans” are transplanted Europeans. 86.4% European as it happens.
@67 Strange that there's no mention of cancellation of the St Helena airport in Hansard.
@87 Lunatic! Why do you bother typing this drivel?
@92 There won't be any flights inconvenience. An attack on an unarmed civilian aircraft is an act of terrorism. Justifies almost anything. How long to destroy remaining 65 aircraft?
95 Anti-Fascist ”I'd be interested to know what your opinion is on the right of Falkland Islanders?'
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They have the same rights than any other British/foreigners living in any part of Argentina.
#18 xbarilox “we're getting nearer and nearer, I can feel the cold winds of the morning in the islands caressing my rosy cheeks. running naked through the islands like a marathon from one corner to the other, what a pleasure, and with scissors in my hands!!! ”
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is naked marathon-running a popular past time in Argentina then?
#96 stick up your junta
By Mrs Kirchner's logic, we in the UK must take over the proud Danish people in the Faroe Islands, because they are much closer to the UK than to Denmark.
#92 Marcos, If you are so vehemently anti-colonialist, why don't you go back to Spain where you come from and give back the lands you stole from the native peoples of South America. And why are we suddenly motivated by the oil? We still went to liberate the islanders upon their wishes in 1982 despite the fact there was no oil depoits known about there. Just goes to show how transparent the Argentines' arguments are really.
69 Redhoyt
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Latest regarding SH airport
http://www.sainthelena.gov.sh/news.php/405/mou-assessment-making-progress
Memorandum of Understading referred to in the above
http://www.sainthelena.gov.sh/news.php/405/mou-assessment-making-progress
What can Mr. Pinera do?
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. It is not always easy to discover what Argentinians are really after. For that reason they can never, ever be taken seriously. In 1982 Argentina occupied the defenceless Falklands in order to “negotiate” the occupation of the Islands. Now, again Argentina wants to “negotiate” in order to occupy the Falklands- nothing less.
2. As regards the threat to stop all LAN flights to the Falklands, thrown at the UN Assembly, what could be done? All civilised countries practice a policy of “open skies.” Argentina practices a XIXth Century policy of territorial expansionism instead. So never mind, in the XIXth Century there were no “aeroplanes.!”
3. What can Chile do? For reasons hard to understand, Chile practices vis-a-vis Argentina a policy of appeasement similar in style to Britain's in the 1930's. It is therefore not easy to guess how how Mr. Pinera & Co. would react.
4. But what could he do? A policy of tit-for-tat is appropriate in dealing with a bully. Chile should threaten to retaliate, as follows: a) Close down the Argentinian Consulate in Punta arenas (which is well-known spy's nest); and b) Stop all Argentinian flights to Chile until Argentina behaves like a normal country. Period.
Philippe
You have got to laugh at this woman idiot havent you. The idiot says Argentina has repeatedly invited the UK to talk about our sovereignty rights. What rights? Again Argentina shows the whole wide world what a numpty nation Argentina is.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The idiot had better be shut her beak after saying this as well, It is obvious the UK cannot claim sovereignty over a territory that's 14,000 kilometres away from their land” affirmed the Argentine president.
Seing that Argentina did not exist when we settled on those islands it only stands to reason that the UK should now claim sovereignty over Argentina as we were in that neck of the wood long before any Argentine.
So Miz idiot do you really want to go down the road.
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Sep 22nd, 2011 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvineses countrymen, should not worry so much about not having flights from Chile that provide fruit and vegetables, very good fruit are in the London markets. If you need clothes can go to Harrods. Considering British should have no problem to travel the 14,000 miles of distance between them. Wear comfortable clothes, the journey is long.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We did sit down and talk Rosarino. Before, leading up to and after the war we talked to you. We even arrived at a number of agreements before and after the war. The ones after the war your Nestor threw in the bin. So, why should we talk again? You don't stick to your agreements.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, and why don't the Falkland Islanders ask for dual citizenship, provincial status etc. The answer is simple, because they don't want to be Argentine. You suggest that they ask to keep the revenues from oil, fishing etc. They already do that. What advantages would Argentina bring? Why can't you just leave them alone? Why can't you treat them like a neighbour instead of an enemy? If they want to become 100% independent and cut ties with the UK, why won't you let them do that???
Yes, Rosarino, they are British, but they are Falkland Islanders first. You can't compare the situation to India etc. India was colonised, most native Indians did not want the UK there. In this case the Falkland Islanders are the people of the Falkland Islands and for the time being they want the UK there, to protect them against Argentine aggression. If the UK military left today, we all know exactly what would happen tomorrow, you Argies would invade again. And that would be against the express wishes of the Falkland Islanders and in contravention of their rights...
106 JA Roberts, don´t u know that you invaded the islands first in 1833 or you don´t know the history ???
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don´t know how can you build up rights on a fact of taking those islands by the force. my God....
Falkanders are English and of course will be allways on the english side.
your selfdetermination ideals are not right for this situation since your population was placed there not as the same way as the inmigrants went to Perú, Bolivia, Argentina, Chile or Brazil, with no weapons, just luggage and good will.
106 “The answer is simple, because they don't want to be Argentine”
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Que??
BBC
“Falkland man chooses Argentine citizenship”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-13780144
102 Philippe “What can Mr. Pinera do?”
Nothing Sergio.
@105 - You have to be kidding me, On the biggest stage in the world the best Argentina can do is threaten to stop flights passing through its airspace, Flights that can easily be re-routed, what are you going to do next cancel our Blockbuster membership, Oh the horror.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 109 - You are very naive fellow. Flights to the islands from Chile have permission from Argentina. The reason is that for Chile, the Malvinas are Argentine territory. When the Argentine government ban on flights, just to fly to Chile left the islands. It was agreed at a meeting with Piñera. Get the facts.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0regards
Saludos
Malvineses countrymen, should not worry so much about not having flights from Chile that provide fruit and vegetables, very good fruit are in the London markets. If you need clothes can go to Harrods. Considering British should have no problem to travel the 14,000 miles of distance between them. Wear comfortable clothes, the journey is long.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jees that takes me back to the bad old rascist days of my yoof,seems this knuckle dragging argie aint evolved
Here just for you gaucho juancho you daft rascist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adf1-WewlSA
@ 111 -Could never be racist to someone born in the Falklands. you are Argentine citizen like me.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regards
born in the Falklands
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Got ya, you used the F word,now that didnt hurt did it :-))))))
OK Marcos,
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look again at the slave trade in Europe.
Which nation started it?
Which nation imported more slaves?
Which nation banned it last?
A clue to the answer, it isn't Britain.
112 gaucho juancho
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you saying you are in fact persecuting a minority within your own country? Is that OK then?
You're a disgrace to humanity.
@108 .... One Islander chooses to follow his dick to Argentina.... how many tens of thousands of RGs have followed the the $ and the Euro northwards....?
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anything fresh to offer us Marco?? Thought not ....someone really should clear out the bottom of you cage .... 'Awk! Marcos wants a cracker...Awk ! Marcos wants a cracker'.........
110 Gaucho- sorry its YOU who is in cuckoo land!! Arg only involvement in flights here is in airspace permission for the territorial overflight of mainland Arg territory. Lan flights go through FALKALND ISLANDS Dept of Civil Aviation control at this end for all standard I.A.T.A regulations and all documents originating from Chile for goods and services ending in the Islands are addressed by the relevant Chilean Govt Department to the Govt of the Islas Falklands. The scheduled service was operating when Pinera was boss of Lan - long before he became President!
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I expect the service to continue long time - unless a certain Lady in the casa rosada really is hell bent on shooting herself in both feet.
Some of you can justy never accept reality canyou? S.America nations will naturally support Arg with a fair amount of public verbal in UN/OAS etc in order to keep the Casa Rosada quiet - but that is as far as it goes - and you know it! Brazil does it, Chile does it and even little Uruguay most of the time.
“106 JA Roberts, don´t u know that you invaded the islands first in 1833 or you don´t know the history ???”
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What, the same Islands the UK first settled in 1765? Long before Argentina existed. We kicked an illegal BsAs garrison off the Falklands in 1833, not an Argentine garrison, because BsAs was not part of the United Provinces then. All except 4 of the civilians already chose to remain. Nobody got hurt. Not a shot was fired. There was no “invasion”. This is a matter of recorded fact.
“I don´t know how can you build up rights on a fact of taking those islands by the force. my God....”
Oh, and so the Mapuche, Tehuelche, Ona, Selkn'am just gave Patagonia and TDF to the Argentine Republic as some kind of grotesque gift or was it the rifle patrias??? You should change your name to Hipocracy... Don't lecture us about taking things by force.
“Falkanders are English and of course will be allways on the english side.”
No, actually they are British. You just insult Falkland Islanders with Scots, Welsh, Irish, Argentine, Gibraltarian etc etc ancestry by calling them all English. They freely ask to remain British. Nobody is forcing them to be British.
“your selfdetermination ideals are not right for this situation since your population was placed there”
1. Self determination is a universal right, enshrined in the UN Charter (which Argentina has ratified). It is a right which cannot be limited.
2. Nobody was placed on the Falkland Islands. The ancestors of the Falkland Islanders all went there of their own free will. Just like the immigrants who went to Perú, Bolivia, Argentina, Chile or Brazil, etc.
as david said today
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0action not words, gets the job done,
and a hint, at those who sign things like the human rights act, then abuses them same rights,
in both cases,
remind you of anyone ?
@107 6 JA Roberts, don´t u know that you invaded the islands first in 1833 or you don´t know the history ???
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The islands were 'invaded' prior to 1833. I believe Britain first charted the islands in 1690 and settled in West Falkland and claimed the Falklands in 1765, long before Argentina even existed. Ignoring the Islanders' trump cards of (i) continuous occupation and (ii) democratic right to self-determination, Argentina has never owned the islands, bases its claim on inheritance from Spain (which is without precedent) and proximity (which is not recognised under international law). In contrast to Argentina, the land was not already inhabited when settled by Europeans. Argentina proves itself to be an aggressive colonial power, trying to steal land it has never had any right to, having stolen Argentina from its rightful owners. Meanwhile a small, peaceful democracy whose inhabitants have a much better claim to the land on which they live than the Argentines have to Argentina are treated appalling by a bully, universally disliked in South America and mocked in the international arena for the rantings of Old Plastic Face. Argentina has no claim. It never has had and never will. Please deal with that fact. It is difficult but your country really has to grow up.
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Sep 22nd, 2011 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and
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117 Islander1 - You seem to have difficulty understanding about the relationships between the Mercosur countries. Chile will not allow flights to the islands if it asks Argentina. For Chile, the Malvinas are Argentine territory and only fly to the islands with the permission of Argentina, through or not attraviesen Argentine air space.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regards
do you really truly think it bothers the islanders,
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Sep 22nd, 2011 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you Dab :-)
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Usual stuff last night I see .... :-)
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Sep 22nd, 2011 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0116 Frank the Yank, “One Islander chooses to follow his dick to Argentina”
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you? I would prefer not to know...
I see that you are still angry about the jokes over your weird
“black shoes” fetishes, out of butter again?
Going back to Malvinense James Peck becoming an Argentine citizen, he is the son of an islander heroe, and he is not the only islander living in the mainland or in the islands wishing to follow the same path to dual citizenship.
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Sep 22nd, 2011 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0name more names , parrot boy......
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, if I get this right, the flight from Chile to the Falklands continues but does not stop-over in Argentina.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0You think this is Argentina's way of attacking its own veterans before the 30th anniversary in Stanley next year ?
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/
@114
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spain started the slave trade 4 years after discovering America . BTW, I truly believe that Christopher Columbus was Spanish ..... Did you watch the Discovery documental?
@ J. A Roberts Do not lie to the islanders. The British expeditions were clandestine and illegal. (a blind) In violation of previous treaties with Spain.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Remember that in 1765 there were other settlers. They were there before the British.
The expulsion of a garrison is grounds for war. (causus belli)
They took the islands by force in time of peace between the 2 countries.
All British arguments were destroyed.
So they refuse to negotiate.
Last resort: self-determination.
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Sep 23rd, 2011 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marvin - still not learnt the true version of history, still sticking to the propoganda they taught you at school, still thinking you're Spanish !
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rosy - try speaking english!
I recall that the President of Chile had an interesting visit to the UK last year.
I recall that the President of Chile is a major shareholder of LAN
I recall that Chile is better at sticking to agreements than Argentina.
I also recall that there are 30th anniversary events taking place next year and without the LAN flight, they'll be a truly British affair.
I certainly recall that the Falklanders survived without that flight for a very long time, and there are alternatives.
You do not understand the Islanders' at all.
They are like me - bloody stubborn :-)
JA Roberts, Argentina killed some indians time ago in order to sale those lands to the british ( english, same thing ) because you needed to have some little piece of America, since the North Americans kicked your ass from that hemisphere, you just used your money down here to pay in advance for those lands, so don´t talk about it because your hands are covered with indian blood, you did the same with chilean patagonia... unfortunately history is not very good with you in Indian continent, is it? Remember Ghandi ...
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Back to islands, your settlements in the islands prior to our 1810 revolution ( Argentina´s birthday ) or 1916 Independence
Where not in the real Malvinas, it was just on some small satellite islands around. never in the main islands, so ....you have to read more, keep reading that will be good for you.
Self determination is a concept approved by Argentina yes of course, but in your case, you have a British/english passport don´t you ?? then there is no self determination my friend.... you are already english. forget about that old concept, it does not work for the malvinenses or islanders.
Study more ... !!!
133 Rosarino
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Redhoyt live/vive in/en Thailand/Tailandia.
Tenes razon/You are right LAN business in Argentina is huge compare with one flight to Malvinas.
Saludos
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Sep 23rd, 2011 - 03:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Red, The British defenders seem to fear the school Argie ;-)
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Sep 23rd, 2011 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Furthermore deny a historical truth.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0So the last resort for them is self-determination: a fallacy.
Saludos Rosarino
Creo que mas que ser britanicos lo que realmente quieren es seguir siendo MANTENIDOS, viviendo de los derechos de pesca, de los derechos del petroleo y que los defienda la marina de mama la reina sin tener que trabajar. Antes de la guerra, cuando Inglaterra ni siquiera los consideraba ciudadanos, cuando eran simplemente kelpers, les gustaba que la Argentina que hoy tanto desprecian les construya pistas de aterrizaje y les provea de gas porque de lo contrario tenian que cocinar con turba como en la edad de bronce y les provea de vuelos semanales con provisiones. Sus hijos se educaban en Argentina porque no tenian dinero para hacerlo en Inglaterra. Cuando tenian una urgencia medica venian a la Argentina a atenderse. Esas eran las condiciones de vida que les daba el imperio britanico que hoy dicen querer tanto, antes de la guerra.I think more important than being British they really want is to continue to be maintained, living on fishing rights, the rights of oil and the Navy to defend the queen mother without having to work. Before the war, when England not even considered citizens, when they were just kelpers, they liked that Argentina who despise both runways were built and gas to provide them because otherwise they had to cook with peat as the age bronze and provide them with supplies of weekly flights. His children were educated in Argentina because they had no money to do it in England. When a medical emergency had come to Argentina to be addressed. These were the living conditions that gave the British Empire today say they want both, before the war.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 03:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hipocryte - your grasp of history is slight - your revolution of 1810 was hardly that !
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 04:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ .. 1810 – May 22nd, a meeting of notables in Buenos Aires is held to decide the future of the Viceroyalty. Delegates deny recognition of the Council of Regency of Spain and the Indies and form a ‘junta’. This ‘Primera Junta’ was recognised by Buenos Aires but not by all the provinces of the Viceroyalty resulting in conflict.
The capital of the Viceroyalty is moved to Montevideo where the Governor, Fransisco Javier de Elio, declares himself as the new Viceroy of the Rio de la Plata.
[The events of 1810 were prompted by what was taking place in Spain, where Napoleon had ousted King Ferdinand VII and replaced him with his brother Joseph Bonaparte. Initially the 'Primera Junta' and then the 'Grande Junta' voted to stay loyal to Ferdinand.] ...”
Indeed your 'revokution' of 1816 wasn't up to much. As a country Argentina is hardlt recognisable before 1853. Spain struggled to get a Treaty recognising you before 1863.
And Argentina is NOT spain, and you did not inherit the Falklands.
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1772-1822/
As for the rest of you idiots - how do you reckon the Islanders' have survived for 178 years? They don't need you!
British Empire
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 05:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Three years later, the British did formally leave the islands and they passed into the Spanish Empire for the next forty years. This arrangement was formally recognised by the British in the 1790 Nootka Sound Convention by which Britain formally rejected any colonial ambitions in 'South America and the islands adjacent'. It also reflected a weakening of British power in the Western Hemisphere coming shortly after the embarrassing loss of the 13 colonies partly thanks to French and Spanish intervention.
The Spanish claim on the islands would falter with the South American Wars for Independence at the start of the nineteenth century. The Spanish removed their formal representative and settlers from the island from 1810 and completed it by 1811. The islands were left to their own fate for the next decade as sealing and whaling ships might call in from time to time to take advantage of the harbour and fresh water. It was not to be until 1820 that the United Provinces of Rio de la Plata would send a frigate to the islands in order to assert their control as part of the legacy of post-colonial Spanish claims to authority there. Buenos Aires would appoint their first governor in 1823 ”
http://www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/falkland.htm
“Argentina killed some indians time ago in order to sale those lands to the british”
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0That really is stretching the truth Hipolyte and you know it. Roca's Conquista del Desierto was not so that he could sell that land to the British! What a pack of lies. Your hands are just as covered with blood. You are the descendants of Spanish colonists who committed the most horrific crimes in South America. You really have not right to lecture anyone on taking things by force or genocide. Ghandi? In case you hadn't noticed, India has been independent for 64 years now... Every single British colony which has asked for independence is independent. That is a fact you cannot deny.
“your settlements in the islands prior to our 1810 revolution...
Where not in the real Malvinas, it was just on some small satellite islands around”
At least you admit that the UK had settlements in the Falklands before Argentina even exited, because that is a massive problem for your claim. And it is you who needs to start reading a bit, because the first British settlement was at Port Egmont, which was on West Falkland. That is not some small “satellite” island! It's the second largest island in the Falklands.
Self determination is a universal right. It cannot be limited, so what passport you carry has absolutely ZERO relevance. You Argies cannot decide for others whether they do or don't have self determination, especially since Argentina has ratified the UN Charter, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. I suggest you read all three of them carefully. Pay particular attention to Chapter 1, Article 1, part 2 of the Charter and Article 1 of the two covenants. There is no way around it, the Falkland Islanders have an unlimited right to self determination.
Still using that old quote MoreCrap.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Take another look at the page - it has an interesting link to reality :-)
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/
And remember -
1) YOU ARE NOT SPANISH !
2) Jewett never managed to exert control
3) There was NO governor in 1823 - which you know already of course.
Can't find anything new MoreCrap ?
By the way.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't this a unilateral action banned by UN Resolution 31/49?
”@ J. A Roberts Do not lie to the islanders. The British expeditions were clandestine and illegal. (a blind) In violation of previous treaties with Spain.”
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Erm, no, the Spanish were not in the Falklands in 1765, and even if the Islands were Spanish, that would be a matter between the UK and Spain. Nothing to do with Argentina (which did not even exist in 1765).
“Remember that in 1765 there were other settlers. They were there before the British.”
Yes, French settlers. Nothing to do with Argentina.
”The expulsion of a garrison is grounds for war. (causus belli)“
I think you'll find it was the garrison which was there illegally. The garrison was protested by the UK through the correct channels in BsAs. This is all a matter of recorded fact. And if the expulsion was causus belli, then why did Buenos Aires not go to war with the UK??
”They took the islands by force in time of peace between the 2 countries.“
Yes, exactly, the BsAs garrison should not have been sent to the Falklands.
”All British arguments were destroyed.“
I don't think so.
”So they refuse to negotiate.“
Well how can we negotiate with you when you have already decided the outcome of the ”negotiations“ and put it in your constitution? What is the point in negotiating if you have already decided the outcome?
”Last resort: self-determination.”
No, that's been the UK position since the UN Charter was ratified by both the UK and Argentina.
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Sep 23rd, 2011 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wikipeida es “la verdad universal”? Creo que no...
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Tu y el Sr. Roberts que saben de historia argentina?
Sabes con que alambrado se separaron las tierras otorgadas en la conquista del desierto? Ingleses!”
No solo ingleses, Rosarino, pero irlandeses tambien y argentinos de sangre española... que no es exactamente una sorpresa porque Argentina era y es un pais de inmigrantes. Y todo animado por el gobierno argentino. No se puede denegar el hecho la gran mayoria del territorio actual argentino fue robado por fuerza y decadas despues de la independencia.
#131 Give that man a cigar.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry missed it but it'll be repeated.
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Sep 23rd, 2011 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0very interesting!!!!!!!!!!!
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jun/28/falklands.past
very interesting!!!!!!!!!!!
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very stupid to invade then!!!!!!!
@151 :-))
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is suspected that he was a Catalan, coming from a very rich family who fought against the King .... also he talks about his uncle the Admiral , if you were poor , you had no access to education back then and the letters sent to his brothers, written in Spanish .... was the guy Italian?
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Sep 23rd, 2011 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0-@ J. A Roberts Do not lie to the islanders. The British expeditions were clandestine and illegal. (a blind) In violation of previous treaties with Spain.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain was at war with Spain, which is why the raids were made. There were no extant treaties because they had been suspended because of the war
-Remember that in 1765 there were other settlers. They were there before the British.
It's is a fucking cheek for Argentina to use the French settlement as an argument when Spain itself never recognised the legitimacy of that settlement and pressured the French into handing it over even though Spain's claim of prior sovereignty had no basis whatsoever. There was no cession of sovereignty from France to Spain. France declared its own settlement illegitimate thereby losing any rights as first occupants - as if the occupation had never happened - first occupation passing by default to the British. If you are ahead in a race and you declare your presence in the race illegal and withdraw, you cannot cede your position to the one who is third. By default, the one who is in second position moves into first position.
-The expulsion of a garrison is grounds for war. (causus belli)
Argentina had not yet established any sovereignty over the Falklands
-They took the islands by force in time of peace between the 2 countries.
No force was used
-All British arguments were destroyed.
So they refuse to negotiate.
Last resort: self-determination.
Even if the Falklands were uninhabited, Argentina's claim would have no merit. Argentina never overcame the in - 1833 still existing Spanish claim. There was no inheritance from Spain, nor did Argentina ever establish effective control over the Falklands.
once again the desperate and last ditch attempt is to bring up the past,
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as no spannish or argentina who was alive at the time, is now dead,
you cant prove jack,
only interpret,
you cant have what you never had in the first place,
and you cant steel it either, you tried this and lost,
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you will never get them by talking
you know it, i know it,the whole bloody world knows it,
and as you are noe confind to talking ,
then you can never get them, except by force,
but as proved at the UN yesterday, all you can do is talk,
so your words are of no interest,,
just talk,,talk,,talk,,
here is very cigarette smoky.....
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0??
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you need to stop taking the funny fags geo.
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Sep 23rd, 2011 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0cant you bogglers speaka da english,
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0some spanish not bad ...!!
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if iwere writing any comments in french haitian accent ,
maltese , maori .........the editor would removed them....!!
BUT
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0by the way that
some spanish are synthetic language not south american spanish ...!!
when inrome//when in rome .
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rosarino 161 lee los términos del foro
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comments must be in English.
agreed
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What the president said was interpreted uncorrectly, c. f. k. didn't say that the government was going to suspend the flies by chile, she only said that the government was going to review the signed agreement in 1999, but it doesen't mean exactly that result of it is going to be suspention of the flies, per haps the government just restrains them. Anyway, i dont agree on none of these two decitions, it's obvious that the u. k. wont resume the negotiations like the u. n. solicit, in fact, it just conffirmed it.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I really think that the only one way of finishing with this dispute, is taking the case to the i. c. j., in the same way that the u. k. suggested argentina in 1947 that it would accept to take the question for the dependencies to the court, it should do the same now, but with the malvinas-falklands cause. However, if none of the two parts decided to give that big step, i think it's because actually both are not so sure that their cases are going to triunf in the court, only a judgement from the i. c. j. can say what country has better rights.
On the other hand, it's really lamentable and pathetic the actual scenario of this dispute, both nations are not acting correctly, the u. k. conditions the negotiations to the wishes of the islanders, and argentina doesen't do anything to try to build a better relation with them, the politicians of both nations and the councellours from the islands, only play the victim and blame eachother.
I have always admired so much Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, specially her bravery, and hope that she's elected next month, but i dont like the way that her government handles some aspects of this long and painfull dispute.
some answers to mi words would be in spanish and you don´t do nothing.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you want to read me in english ok, but it would be very dangerous for your eyes ;)
I think islanders need to know more about us, not just your impressions postwar.
All, british, argentines, even chilean, has dead people down your carpet; can't do anything about it, past are gone, get focus in the future!
Most of you don´t know what is a “provincia” in our Constitution.
You can get even more than now, if your people move smartly.
Argentina is growing very fast, as part of our country you recib money for coparticipation, investment plans, develop of fishing&oil and royalties, same as Rio Negro , Neeuquen, etc.
Our education is very good, free, health are great, free for all too-
Good food, good girls, good beer....thats is what my friend say about Argentina....how much do you need?
B.R. and sorry for my english
how much do you need?
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To be left alone would be a good start
you ain flippo by any,, are you.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you seem to suggest you have more secrets than geo is letting on,
return when you have changed your mind,the islands are british,
briton, islanders don´t want to be chilean, argentine, peruvians or bolivians....just want to be british.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And they are british; they was born in SOUTH AMERICA, not in UK....do you understand that?
Islands could be british: but people inside are south americans-
No europeans, no americans...south american.
If you can asume that, well, all could be more easy-
B.R.
@157 Dab, It is very important to the French occupation, because they recognized Spanish sovereignty. Everything is documented.
Sep 24th, 2011 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0The French occupation was published. There were no British protest.
Spain protested the French presence. There were no British protest by the French occupation of the islands.
The transfer of the islands from France to Spain was public. There were no British protest.
The British illegal colony has always been hidden. Quite simply, there was no British protest because the islands did not belong.
Understands friend?
Rosarino, so what if the Falkland Islanders are born in South America. Who cares. The fact is they were born or have naturalised in the Falkland Islands. The Falkland Islanders freely choose to retain their British connection. That is their choice and it is their right to make that choice.
Sep 24th, 2011 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why do we never see Argentina complain at the UN, OAS, Mercosur, C24 and International Philatelic Society about Guyane, officially a part of the European Union and ON the continent of South America? Why do you never complain about Aruba, Curaçao and Bonaire? Islands which freely choose to retain their links with the Netherlands and they are less than 40km from the South American coast? Why do you only have a problem with the Falkland Islands?
1764 -- first french settlements
Sep 24th, 2011 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 01766 -- first british settlements and spain acqusition french colony
1767 -- spanish de facto acqusitionof french converting to B.A admin
1770 -- spain expel british colony
1771 -- anglo-spanish peace treaty allows brits return to colony
1774 -- british withdrawal from colony
1776 -- bitish leave plaque to assert claim on abondoned colony
1811 -- spanish withdraws from colony
1816 -- U.P.S.A (later becomes Argentina) declared out from spain
1820 -- flag of river plate-argentina raised on islands
1828 -- argentine settlements colony founded
1831 -- usa-american warships destroy settlements
1832 -- argentina sends another governor who killed in mutiny which
organized by brits royal navy intelligence teams
1833 -- british forces return and grabbed the islands.
172 Rosarino as j a Roberts pointed out,
Sep 24th, 2011 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
They are British, and Argentina just has to get used to it,
But if you are going to get technical about it, you are south American, then you are not Americans then,,
Ok, so what if you were born in east America..or west America,
Are they then east Americans and west Americans,, and not south Americans,
You see it’s how you interpret things,
You interpret it your way,
And the rest of the world will interpret it their way,
savvy,
[] - 175
Sep 24th, 2011 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we understand that : ...
in 1776 Brits are expelled from region...........
in 1806 Brits attack on to invade La Plata ........
in 1807 Brits are expelled from this zone again ......
in 1811--1815 Spaniards withdrawn from region ....
in 1816 Argentina independent decleration .....
in 1831 Brits uses US warships ........
in 1833 Brits invade the islands (the revenge of 1806/07) .....
exactly this is formal piracy ...not anything else !!
@174 J.A. Roberts, Malvinas Islands to Argentina were usurped.
Sep 24th, 2011 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a dispute of sovereignty as recognized by the UN
They are not our islands.
Rosarino, does it make any difference?
Sep 24th, 2011 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0France keeps a territory on SA continental soil... would be interesting to compare the legal status of both (not quite the same though)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Guiana
Rosarino
Sep 24th, 2011 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0in plain English,
you have no case,
argentina belongs to argentina
and the falklands belong to great britain,
do no blame us, because you have cells missing .
@178 Malvinense 1833
Sep 24th, 2011 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There is a dispute of sovereignty as recognized by the UN”
Yes, the UN recognises the dispute. But where does the UN say the Falklands are Argentine territory, or that they should be Argentine territory? Every UN resolution re the Falkland Islands makes it clear that any solution has to respect the Falkland Islanders' right and that includes self determination. Time for Argentina to join the real world.
“They are not our islands”
You can say that again...
Am I right in saying that the original agreement in 1999, had no mention whatsoever of Sovereignty
Sep 24th, 2011 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If this is so, what is she complaining about?
Or, as some might think,
This is pure and simple desperation, because no matter what she says, or threatens, it has absolutely no effect at all,
An embarrassment, self made and self induced.
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I think it's a cunning plan to make the Islands less reliant on mainland South America in order to convince them that they should be more reliant on South America.
Sep 25th, 2011 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually I can't even make it make sense on a Baldrick level of idiotic “cunning plans”.
A bit rough on the relatives of those conscripts buried at Darwin, they'll either have to get to Punta Arenas or Ascension to get there. Maybe the Islanders could arrange for a ship to take them (which would have to have a Falklands flag on the stern) to be helpful?
Perhaps the Islanders will revert to pre 1999.
Sep 25th, 2011 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0No RG's allowed?
Perhaps they will ban RG's with dual Passports from visiting?
Throw any RG's in the Islands out?
Declare a 200 mile exclusion zone around the Islands for all RG shipping and Aircraft?
In effect tell Arsentina to Falk off?
All english pepople must listen this song, invaders
Sep 25th, 2011 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDgO6NIXe0A
All english pepople must listen this song, invaders
Sep 25th, 2011 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0And you must learn how to spell People :-))))))
That was only a little mistake of “typing” -I don't know if I wrote it right-.
Sep 25th, 2011 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Las Malvinas Argentinas
Las Malvinas Argentinas
Sep 25th, 2011 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0-I don't know if I wrote it right
Dont they teach you anything at that special school?
Its the Falklands are British
@181 J.A. Roberts Yes, the UN recognises the rigth to self determination. But where does the UN say the Malvinas are British territory, or that they should be British territory?
Sep 25th, 2011 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But where does the U.N. say the Malvinas has the right to self determination?
regards.
Wich “special school”?
Sep 25th, 2011 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you need to learn a little geography and history.. here we got public schools and free universitys..if you come here, we can educate you, and free. Don't miss that chance!
The age of empire now it's only a videogame..those days are over.
See you
“But where does the U.N. say the Malvinas has the right to self determination?”
Sep 26th, 2011 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UN quite clearly states that all peoples are entitled to Self Determination.
Self Determination is a human right, Human rights are entitled to all humans.
1764 -- history
Sep 26th, 2011 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 01766 -- history
1767 -- history
1770 -- history
1771 -- history
1774 -- history
1776 -- history
1811 -- history
1816 -- history
1820 -- history
1828 -- history
1831 -- history
1832 -- history
1833 -- history
1850 -- history
1885 -- history
1943 -- history
1961 -- history
1982 -- shamefull history
2011 -- Falklands British for 170+ years
2033-- 200 year celebration of successful eviction of pseudo Argentine usurpers
2082 -- 100 year celebration of 2nd successful eviction of Argentine usurpers
etc. etc. etc. i.e. we're not going anywhere, try another tack!
yes self determination is entitle to all humans meanwhile that doesnt mean usurpation or the the violation of another right like territorial integrity
Sep 26th, 2011 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0If self determination is just entitle to everybody just because it is a human right and thats all, then I can go to a caribean island, put a plaque say it is mine, buy a submarine and some arms, return with my family and friends, expell the people over there and voila self determination
@191 Zethee or zethe? Ok, in accordance, but where does the U.N. say the Malvinas has the right to self determination?
Sep 26th, 2011 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0regards.
guy of comment 1833, you should check the The United Nations
Sep 26th, 2011 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON CIVIL AND POLITICAL RIGHTS, article 1 , first line: All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
It does not list people who are included or excluded. If you claim that we, Falkland Islanders do not have that right, then please, in the same breath, show where it says specifically that Argentines have the right to self determination. I would think you will have difficulty finding that too!
YOU ARE PIRATES IN ILLEGAL OCCUPATION OF ARGENTINE TERRITORY AND MUST BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0THERE IS ONLY ONE SOLUTION TO LAS MALVINAS AND THIS IS FINAL SOLUTION.
I WILL SAY THIS ONLY ONCE, ARGENTINA HAS A LONG HISTORY OF FASCISM AND WE WILL DEFEAT YOU!
You make me laugh each time Filippo, you remind of the chap with the funny short moustache, well, you know how he ended up! cheerio from the British Falkland Islands :)
Sep 26th, 2011 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0(193) Malen and (194) Malvinense 1833
Sep 26th, 2011 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Before agreeing with something, you better know what it means…………..
The UN INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON CIVIL AND POLITICAL RIGHTS, says alright:
”All peoples have the right of self-determination”
But ”peoples” in this case means Populations, not Individuals….
And, as we all well know, the British squatters in Malvinas are not a Population.
They are British citizens occupying foreign territory.
If you don’t believe me please read the same UN document in Spanish below:
”Artículo 1”
”1. Todos los PUEBLOS tienen el derecho de libre determinación. ”
http://www2.ohchr.org/spanish/law/cescr.htm
Saludos
El Think
For example:
Sep 26th, 2011 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Soppose that a guy puts a tent in your backyard, you don't know him, but you know that he has a very elegant house and a beautiful family, so you ask him to leave..but he doesn't want it, because there's a banana tree nearby. He tells you that he has right to “self determination”. You show the property papers (continental shelf) but he doesn't care, he just wants to steal your bananas and take them to his home..
@189 Malvinense 1833
Sep 26th, 2011 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0“But where does the U.N. say the Malvinas has the right to self determination? regards.”
UN Charter
Chapter 1, Article 1, part 2
Referenced in every single UN Resolution regarding the Falklands and also in those about decolonisation in general.
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
Article 1
International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
Article 1
UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Article 15
Wich “special school”?
Sep 26th, 2011 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I Rest My Case, M'lud :-)))))))))))))
OK 198
Sep 26th, 2011 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0ok ok ok
Sep 26th, 2011 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is he your bloggers mole,
we thought as much .
@199
Sep 26th, 2011 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If somebody is stealing your bananas in your property, you have to evict them right away. Don't wait 178 years to do that ....unless they are bigger and they can kick your ass in the process.... at that point, you negotiate! se entiende o no? :-))
”You show the property papers (continental shelf)”
Sep 26th, 2011 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0199 ernvera,
The continental shelf does not determine sovereignty over anything.
niether does dictatorship
Sep 26th, 2011 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0198 Think
Sep 26th, 2011 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''And, as we all well know, the British squatters in Malvinas are not a Population.''
No, we don't all know this. You made it up.
The fact that you say it doesn't make it true.
Who said you were in charge anyway?
''And, as we all well know, the British squatters in Malvinas are not a Population.''
Sep 26th, 2011 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nor are some Argies it would seem
FRANCE24-EN-Report-Argentina Dying of malnutrition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBlYCCnh-II
Remarks by the President of Palestine:
Sep 26th, 2011 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Enough said Abbas. That the Israelis to continue colonizing the West Bank cease and East Jerusalem for the parties to return to talk directly. Is a reasonable request, one does not negotiate with someone who is robbing the portfolio.”
We can say the same for you guys.
Stop robbing our resources; and then we can talk about anything-
77+CHINA say the same.
Can you ear the voice of the world? or just ear your voice?
By the way, nice party whit chilean citizens living there...is the F.Office playing whit them?
Poor guys, they don´t know where they are!
Saludos
nice party with chilean citizens living there... is the F. Office playing with them?
Sep 26th, 2011 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0jajaja Are there photos??
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Sep 26th, 2011 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''Are there photos??''
Probably. Why don't you subscribe to the Penguin News and you'll be able to look at them. There are often photos of social events in there.
Do you have a point?
@ 198 El Think ......Just saying that I agree with what the UN says with respect to the autodeterninación in regarding other cases that are very different from the Falklands.
Sep 27th, 2011 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0The O.N.U. recognize a sovereignty dispute between two countries therefore need to determine who is responsible for the territory.
For various historical and legal facts, self-determination is not possible.
It's just a haven after that all British arguments were destroyed.
Gracias por tu opinión y saludos
El Malvinense.-
There goes the neighbourhood, the El Malvinense crowd is in the house.
Sep 27th, 2011 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can ignore the fact that the Kosovo judgement highlights the importance of self-determination (and triumphs) in a sovereignty dispute, you can ignore the fact that you have to pervert history to manufacture a claim, you can ignore the fact that you signed away any claim in 1850 and you can ignore the fact that the same maps that stymied your claims in the Beagle Channel dispute also support the British case.
Hey El Thicko says different, so you smack each other on the back is self-righteous mutual masturbatio but it won't change the fact that the islands belong to the islanders and you're too chicken shit to take it to the one place that matters - the ICJ.
Mutual masturbation .... that's hilarious!
Sep 27th, 2011 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0# 198 Think
Sep 27th, 2011 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“But ”peoples” in this case means Populations, not Individuals….
And, as we all well know, the British squatters in Malvinas are not a Population.
They are British citizens occupying foreign territory.”
Not a polulation?
A population is defined: “Act or process of populating; number of people in a country; the inhabitants.”
The Falkland Islanders are the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands. They live there. It is in fact, that they inhabit the Flakland islands which Argentina is so miffed about.
They would only be occupying foreign territory if Argentina has proven their sovereignty claim. Argentina has not.
It really is quite simple, Argentina needs to take it's case to the ICJ. It is really the only recourse left open to Argentina as Britain will never negotiate sovereignty of the Falklands until the POPULATION of said islands wish it, and as Argentina has successfully managed to alienate itself from every single one of them with it's invasion of 82 and it's childish bully boy tactics of late, hell will probably have to freeze, thaw out and freeze again before they every wish for that to happen.
Monty I dont care of the photos its a joke
Sep 27th, 2011 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The point: Only to bother you directly.........
Please, correct me its I dont care of or I dont care for???
Chuckle chuckle™
Sep 27th, 2011 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the circus about the little (but very important) word “Peoples” on the first line of the INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON CIVIL AND POLITICAL RIGHTS continues……..:
It reads: ”All peoples have the right of self-determination.”
All to many Brutish turnips in here interpret the word “Peoples” on the line above as if it meant “Individuals” or “Persons”………….
Not so……………….
In this UN document “Peoples” means: ”A body of persons that are united by a common culture, tradition, or sense of kinship, that typically have common language, institutions, and beliefs.”
I ”Think” we can all agree that the current inhabitants of the Malvinas are a body of persons united by a common culture, tradition, sense of kinship, and that they have a common language, institutions, and beliefs.
They share the British culture, British traditions, an intime ”cousin marries cousin” kinship, the English language, British institutions, the Anglican belief and British Citizenship.
In one word, they are BRITISH…….........................
And as such; they are NOT entitled to Self-Determination on some foreign Islands 14,000 km away from home.
Think,
Sep 27th, 2011 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are talking bollocks. As usual.
St Pierre and Miquelon. Made up almost entirely of people of French ancestry. Voted to integrated with France. Nobody said they were not entitled to self determination on the grounds they were already French.
And we British are not one people. We are 18 peoples
English, Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish
Manx, Jersey Islanders, Guernsey Islanders
Anguillians, Bermudians, British Virgin Islanders, Caymanians, Falkland Islanders, Gibraltarians, Montserratians, Pitcairners, St Helenians, Tristanians, Turks and Caicos Islanders.
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Sep 27th, 2011 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) I would be very very very carefull about mentioning St Pierre and Miquelon in connection with the Malvinas Issue.
Inform yourself about how Canada got almost everything they wanted and France barely ”saved face”.
2) The English, Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish, Manx, Jersey and Guersney islanders, Anguillians, Bermudians, British Virgin islanders, Caymanians, Montserratians, Pitcairners, St Helenians, Tristanians, Turks and Caicos islanders are all British and they may call themselves a people if they fancy, they do not occupy contested territory.................
That is not the case of the Malvinas (Falkland) islanders and the Gibraltareños.
In the case of Malvinas, they are just a bunch of British citizens occupying foreign territory.
the same then goes for argentinians
Sep 27th, 2011 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they are just a bunch of argentine citizens occupying foreign territory.
what goes for one, must go for all,
leave the argentina bible at home, and live in the real world.
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Sep 27th, 2011 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Canada–France Maritime Boundary Case was a 1992 dispute between Canada and France that was decided by a court of arbitration which was created by the parties to resolve the dispute.
Take it to ICJ then Think,you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
Population defined .
Sep 27th, 2011 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In sociology, population refers to a collection of human beings
World English Dictionary
population (ˌpɒpjʊˈleɪʃən)
— n
1. ( sometimes functioning as plural ) all the persons inhabiting a country, city, or other specified place
2. the number of such inhabitants between 500/1,000
3. ( sometimes functioning as plural ) all the people of a particular race or class in a specific area:
4. the act or process of providing a place with inhabitants; colonization
5. ecology a group of individuals of the same species inhabiting a given area
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219 Think
Sep 27th, 2011 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You appear to be saying that the status of any population depends entirely on whether another country chooses to claim their territory.
Since any country can choose to claim any other piece of territory on any grounds they like, however far- fetched, I can only conclude that you don't think anyone is entitled to be a 'people'.
Are you really saying that if the Americans decided they wanted Bermuda, the Bermudans would instantly turn into 'squatters'? How about if Britain decided it wanted Normandy back? How would you feel about those pesky Normans and their ludicrous wish to remain French?
Logic isn't your strong point is it? We have a status of our own and it doesn't depend on any claims you choose to make.
I know what you think that status is, but your opinion isn't that important really. And keep on repeating yourself just sounds like desperation.
(223) Monty96
Sep 27th, 2011 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No dearest Monty.... I do not appear to be saying that the status of any population depends entirely on whether another country chooses to claim their territory.
Because I am not saying that the status of any population depends entirely on whether another country chooses to claim their territory...............
.......yes you are..... 'they may call themselves a people if they fancy, they do not occupy contested territory'
Sep 27th, 2011 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0......so what are they if someone decides to contest their territory? Nothing?
British 'squatters'?
What you decide to do in relation to your claim is completely arbitrary and out of our control, and therefore has no bearing on our status.
What would happen if a future Argentine government decided to drop the claim? Would we then have the right to claim independence from Britain? What do you think?
He's right ( Think)..... The people of Anguilla, Bermuda, Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, St. Helena, Montserrat, Pitcairn, Turks, Caicos, etc are not British citizens.
Sep 28th, 2011 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0216 malen
Sep 28th, 2011 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, I missed your question.
In this case, I'd say 'I don't care about the photos'. If you say 'I don't care for the photos' it means you don't like them and suggests they already exist.
Has nobody noticed the 100s of spam posts on the Putin/Medvedev story?
Sep 28th, 2011 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you all pop over there and report the abuse - the threads are spammed enough with meaningless gibberish about the Falklands without someone trying to usurp them to sell handbags.
We'll be wading through even more crap if it's not knocked on the head.
Incidentally, yes there is a big, big difference between Saint-Pierre & Miquelon and Canada, and the Falklands and Argentina. Canada is a democratic and civilised country. And Argentina is an obtuse, fascistic country. This is only a small aspect of the difference. N'est-ce pas?
Sep 28th, 2011 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
ARGENTINA,
Sep 28th, 2011 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once a regional leader, Argentina now finds itself increasingly isolated in the Western Hemisphere. Its government lies about inflation data and depends on economic largesse from Venezuela's oil-fueled tyranny. Argentina is no longer the “jewel of South America.” Today, it is among the “sick men” of South America, both economically and politically. The country can still recover its lost influence, but only if it makes a decisive break with the past eight years of Kirchnerism.
http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2011/04/21/argentinas_kirchner_channels_chavez_99486.html
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Thank you teacher Monty
Sep 28th, 2011 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sometimes (very few) you are nice.....
I always have trouble with prepositions, verbs, etc
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Sep 29th, 2011 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes they are.
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Sep 30th, 2011 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you say that a “” monty/monteneros = teacher ( retired ?!?)
who is he /she ?? where ?? .... could she be Estelle's daughter ??
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Sep 30th, 2011 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.realclearworld.com/articles/2011/04/21/argentinas_kirchner_channels_chavez_99486.html
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Sep 30th, 2011 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0amigo , you should ask these questions to a well known face - person on Argentina media not to Malen .
to BAT at #218
Sep 30th, 2011 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The United Kingdom has sovereignty over seventeen territories which do not form part of the United Kingdom itself: 14 British Overseas Territories and three Crown Dependencies.
The fourteen British Overseas Territories are: Anguilla; Bermuda; the British Antarctic Territory; the British Indian Ocean Territory; the British Virgin Islands; the Cayman Islands; the Falkland Islands; Gibraltar; Montserrat; Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha; the Turks and Caicos Islands; the Pitcairn Islands; South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands; and the Sovereign Base Areas on Cyprus. British claims in Antarctica are not universally recognised.”
So... GO BACK HOME ! ! !
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Sep 30th, 2011 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0can these islands' ££ monetary values cover up the UK finance deficits ?
as the crow flies
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