Argentina bullying Uruguay on canal dredging and Falkland Islands flagged vessels
Uruguay has banned the docking of Falklands/Malvinas flagged vessel in the port of Montevideo, following on complaints from Argentina that several fishing vessels with that flag, in recent months had been operating from Montevideo.
According to Uruguayan government sources President Jose Mujica wants to rapidly deactivate two possible sources of conflict with Argentina: the arrival of Falklands/Malvinas flagged vessels to Montevideo and the dredging of the Martin Garcia channel in the River Plate which is crucial for Uruguay’s main grains and oilseed export port in Nueva Palmira.
After almost two years of courting, Mujica managed to reverse the acrimonious relation of his predecessor (Tabare Vazquez) with the Kirchner couple and among other things ended the dispute over the Botnia-UPM pulp mill and obtained a promise from Cristina Fernandez for making the Martin Garcia canal deeper.
Apparently in the last few months three Falklands flagged vessels called in Montevideo and the Argentine Ministry of Foreign Affairs reported them to Uruguay, expressing “deep disappointment” with Montevideo’s attitude.
President Mujica on being informed instructed port of Montevideo authorities to ban access to all Falklands flagged vessels and those in transit to the disputed Islands over which Argentina claims sovereignty.
The head of the Port of Montevideo authority Carlos Díaz, following on Mujica’s instructions, ordered an investigation into the claims, but in a primary report said that “we haven’t identified any Falklands flagged vessel docked or to have docked in Montevideo”.
“Yes we are aware to the possibility of that happening with a Falklands flagged vessel but we have not identified any such vessel nor has the Uruguayan Coast Guard”, said Diaz.
“We check international registries and flags of origin” he added. “Anyhow from now onwards we are going to double check all flags”.
Industry sources in Montevideo admitted that fishing vessels from different countries call in Montevideo and some of them use the flag of Malvinas as a ‘convenience flag’. This has been happening for decades and “there is no law to impede doing so”.
In 2006 in the midst of the conflict over the Botnia pulp mill Argentina put on the table another Uruguayan “grievance”: the fact that Falklands’ flagged vessels call into the port of Montevideo adding that “since January 2005 a total of 64 Falklands flagged vessels have docked in Montevideo”.
Uruguay’s position regarding the Falklands/Malvinas dispute, and in particular from President Mujica, has been that of full support for Argentina. However this has not impeded long established trade and travel with the Falklands.
However on this specific occasion the issue again surfaced because of differences regarding the dredging of the Martin Garcia channel. Apparently Uruguay wants to extend the contract of the company currently doing the upkeep of the canal until the deeper dredging actually begins which demands the conclusion of the bidding process.
The issue according to Uruguayan sources was brought up by Foreign Affairs minister Hector Timerman with Mujica in the recent Celac summit in Venezuela.
The current upkeep contract ends in January and if all goes according to the bidding timetable the deep dredging should begin September 2012. The Argentine government allegedly wants that company out and will not extend its contract.
The River Plate is jointly managed by Argentina and Uruguay, through a bilateral commission CARP, which oversees among other issues the upkeep of the Martin Garcia canal which serves the Uruguayan coast and the Canal Mitre that leads directly to Buenos Aires and obviously is regularly dredged.
Interests linked to the port of Buenos Aires and Rosario on the Parana River, the hub of soybean territory, are not interested in seeing Uruguay’s Nueva Palmira flourish and have consistently lobbied against dredging Martin Garcia.
According to the Uruguayan delegates at CARP, the terms of the bid to dredge the Martin Garcia channel have attracted the interest of four companies and it’s up to the Argentine delegates of the commission to consider them before the contract is awarded.
“We are waiting for a decision from the Argentine side” said Uruguayan delegates in CARP.
This basically seems to be another chapter of that rivalry of powerful interests at work, decorated with the Malvinas dispute, demanded solidarity and blockade to the Falklands.
Nevertheless if Mujica’s instructions are strict the measure could also impact on the cruise industry since the vessels visit Uruguayan ports (Montevideo, Punta del Este), Argentine ports and most of them call in the Falklands.
Likewise Montevideo port authorities anticipated that another situation could surface in the near future when a British scientific vessel, (not identified) already authorized to call in Montevideo, and which most certainly will be visiting the Falklands, sails into the River Plate.
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the fishs are not honest animals and also evolutioned from snakes.
Chile´s next... Cristina K will be visiting Chile in Jan... and guess what issue she will be addressing in Chile??????? HO HO HO HO
www.santiagotimes.cl/world/latin-america/23082-argentine-president-will-visit-chile-in-january
Latinamerica will expell invadors, oh yeah!
Again Argentina wants everything its own way, to the detriment of everyone else. Everyone else has to compromise, or give away things, except Argentina.
Yawn, nothing changes does it?
By the way... how is the airport biulding doing?
Hurry up, you guys... you´ll need it!
It is easy for Argentina to bully Uruguay not so easy to bully Chile. Chilenos are business people and Argentina needs them more than they need Argentina same with Brazil. It is like Mexico trying to bully the USA, not going to happen.
they wanted to refuge to Uruguay with their fishing boats escaping
from Malvinas,whereas if I were like them I would rather to slip away
to Australia or New Zealand to more warmer countries also have similar
flags.
@9 Have you ever heard of long haul jets and mid air refueling plus there is an airbase on Ascension island!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
I just read it in a comment here and it was exactly what I was thinking.
I totally agree with the 1st comment here. Not much more to say...
Gosh ! You are what a clever kid . Long Live Papamao.
That must blow the argie proximity argument out of the water
Cristina Fernandez, more territorial ambitions.
3 ed (#) the fishes are not honest animals.
[Thank god you was not in charge of NOAS ARK]
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Perhaps when all the trade drops off, via another route,
Argentina will wake up
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My thought is a bit different from you have.
Mercopress is very clever to produce these kinds of articles on mainly
Malvinas/Argentina related actual,to attract many commentators
and maybe readers on,becouse that there are no any more posters here for the more serious world events and articles.
They are already choosing Punta Arenas, Puerto Williams and Port Stanley over Ushuaia and BA.... suck it down and live with it sunshine....
Cruises visiting Port Stanley, Falkland Islands during January 2013
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Thu, Dec 15
“Analysis - Costs, environmental risks may scupper Falklands oil”
“Companies looking at the Falklands in the grand scheme of things might just think the size of the prize isn't worth it given their wider interests,” said Ruaraidh Montgomery, an analyst at Wood Mackenzie in London”
uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE7BE19X20111215?irpc=932
So Argentina is having to complain because Uruguay has said one thing yet done another. That has been my point all along and I think you will find Uruguay, Brazil and Chile will carry on.
British flag flying over the FI, commercial oil discoveries and a spineless and powerless Argentina. Yup nohing changes apart from increasing Argie impotence :-)
British flag flying over the FI, commercial oil discoveries and a spineless and powerless Argentina. Yup nohing changes apart from increasing Argie impotence
Sure beef!! And exxon and bp are diying to go to Malvinas....
Regarding the oil expo and Marcos's regular uniformed ejaculations I would advise everyone to look at the two RNSs released today. The big Institutional Investors are taking major positions and all crossing the 3% threshold. Looks like they know where this is going and getting in to multibag their way to big profits. Ultimatly these big boys are worth more than Argentina but I suppose that is not really that hard.
I wonder if Mujica will be around apologising to the British Ambassador again. Maybe he won't have to, if Uruguay doesn't get its dredged out channel, Agrentina may not get what she want either!
After all that is what this is all about - leverage !
Politicians, don't ya love 'em :-)
falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2011/12/15/argentina-threatens-court-action/
The logic of invading, using and bullying neighbors nowadays has more to do with Europe than with LatinAmerica. It happened in Europe in the World Wars and it happens again now with the situation on some members of the Union that are suffering the consequences of a dishonest and nasty purposes that some other members had when they decided to let them join.
The Pentagon and friends would love to see SouthAmerica divided into a million pieces. History proves that the British Empire and the USA had always made profit on wars between latinamerican ( I wonder if at least part of the profits ever reached the british or northamerican workers, I guess not) . And writing headlines like the one in this article is just a try to promote domestic conflicts in here.
What can be more ambitious than having a military base at an strategic place like Islas Malvinas on the other side of the world?
Nothing to be surprised about, colonial empires just invade, that's what they do. At least they could turn the Malvinas into a place for developing energy resources that are not contaminating and old-fashioned like petrol.
Nothing to do with you, I suppose ?
2012 will reveal, but regardless of your desperate hope that such a thing will not come to pass, this field will go into production and there is nothing you can do about it. Just sit back and watch the show from the cheap seats :-)
Tatcher needed a war, Argentinian dictators also thought they needed one.
I stand for what I believe and I do not hesitate to be critic of Argentinians, nationality is not the first thing I see when I meet a person.
Colonialism is wrong, no matter who practices it. And the Malvinas is a scarf that the British Empire in decadence left. What is wrong is wrong, always.
The UK authorities pointing at the rest of the world with weapons of war is not fair and it makes the world a more insecure place. And I am sure it is not even what a lot of british people want. But how can they choose when there is a government that represses expressions of disagreement and protests in London? Imposing discipline with violence... Is that democracy?
Also, I smell a bit of TOTALITARISM at the UN Security Council.
WTF is a 'true' colony, or an untrue colony come to that?
We aren't a colony of any kind, if that's what you're getting at. That gets right up your nose doesn't it?
You think you have the entire world on your side and it still doesn't get you anywhere. There's only 3000 of us and we just refuse to be bullied by you.
Well guess what, your 'support ' is an illusion. Your neighbours hate you. When Falkland Islanders travel abroad, they get sympathy from all sides....'poor you, those Argentines are complete b***^%$ aren't they'.
Argentina wouldn't know a 'good job' if it got up and bit them on the arse.
The gaps in mainland South America are getting sealed, the big oil companies are not interested, in a few words you guys are f@#$%^%
Rockhopper investor comment
“Last week I had the chance to speak to a chairman of a large oil company, I dropped the Falklands oil discovery into the conversation, his main concern for the find was he didn't think many, if any, of the big boys, would be knocking on the door”
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqNqHAOYmlo
Not and only, are two different things,
199 countries in the world,
198 support you [your words not mine]
And what does Argentina do,
TALK, [carry on]
……………..
41 Marcos Alejandro
Make your mind up,
When there is no oil, you laugh,
Then when they find it,,[you want it]
Greed or ignorance ?
36 fermin
Colonialism is wrong, no matter who practices it
I stand for what I believe and I do not hesitate to be critic of Argentineans
[so getting the Falklands does not make you a coloniser ]???????
31 fermin
: territorial ambition? it is funny how you expect Argentina to bully and press and threaten uruguay, NOTHING FURTHER FROM REALITY THAN THAT..
[so you expect the world to believe that Argentina never ever bullies threatens or intimidates anyone,
[Now that’s the pied piper, if ever I saw one]
.
No, Al, my reaction is the best evidence that I am still a free Falkland Islander with the right to give you the finger.
Yes you're right, South America, Spain, Russia, the Solar System, the Milky Way, hell, the whole universe recognises that there is a sovereignty dispute. We have sovereignty and you dispute it.
What they don't say is anything about you being right.
Of course I react to it, you pompous little prat; it gives me a giggle and plenty of other people some harmless entertainment.
www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-15/victoria-s-secret-revealed-in-child-picking-burkina-faso-cotton.html
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8959865/French-leaders-declare-a-war-of-words-on-Britain.html
British Government will go on playing unfair, corporate media will go on broadcasting lies, the truth is that the colonizers are not Argentinian ones. Down with contanimating colonizers, down with childish “self-determination” of the little group of settlers who live on the little cash that colonialism leaves them, giving away SouthAmerican resources to foreign corporations own by lazy investors addicted to the dirty cash of petrol, groups that care nothing about the british, the argentinians of anybody that works for them. They don't even care about the future of their grandchildren.
Down with warrior and death promoters, down with the empire propaganda. And DOWN in a PACIFIC and DIPLOMATIC way, as it was expected to happen even from british authorities before 1982.
For a start off geography is is irrelevant, and distance is just geography.
Self - determination is the winner!
And the islanders have been exercising that since te 1960's.
Am I starting to get to you? Good, good.
The 'British' aren't claiming anything. We are; that 'childish self- determination' you speak of. You can call us names if you like, but it doesn't help you any. Your lack of respect for us just reinforces the negative views that some of us have for you already.
How is 'Britain' playing unfair? What lies? Be specific.
And we do care for our grandchildren. That is why we are exploring for oil. When the consolidated fund has £100 billion in it, we will never have to listen to a damn word you say ever again. Your neighbours will all be falling over themselves to be friends with us and you can either join them or not as you choose.
Personally, I think the threat to the environment is a high price to pay. If you were better neighbours we wouldn't need to do it.
RKH have already had preliminary discussions (go back over the news flow if you want). This field will go into production and RKH will have plenty of offers. If you disagree then let's have a wager over it.
The loser admits defeat and no longer posts on Mercopress. Do you take up this proposal or are you a typical cowardly Argie?
Yes, Proximity
Isla Martín García is an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The enclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters;
Please Shut up. your are just embarrassing. When you brain tells your fingers to type...don't do it OK!
Also, I have heard that there are a number of Falkland Flagged fishing vessels in Uruguay right now who are being allowed to carry on with their work.....more evidence of Uruguay's “support”.
Ah welcome back Think, I see you have reared your ugly head once again when there is another symbolic nail to be hammered. Where are you when there is positive news for the current and rightful owners of the Falklands?
54, stick up your junta
Martin garcia issue was resolved with a treaty with Uruguay, in which there was a swap of islands (juncal island)
You should read before talking abouts things you don´t know about.
Would you like a friend that can turn Argentina into a cinder in less than 30 minutes? You know where!
Yes, xbollox, but we consider both sides and do not twist the facts for either side.
I have already told you there is no British Empire. However we still have far more influence in the world because, unlike Argentina, we do not lie to the faces of our friends (Juggolo @ Washington-laughing stock of the diplomatic community).
“La Cumparsita”!
Philippe
Thu, Dec 15
“Analysis - Costs, environmental risks may scupper Falklands oil”
“Companies looking at the Falklands in the grand scheme of things might just think the size of the prize isn't worth it given their wider interests,” said Ruaraidh Montgomery, an analyst at Wood Mackenzie in London”
Like I said, I am happy that FI oil will go into production and am willing to put some cash on it. You cannot even take a point and are unwilling to back any case up with any capital, be it real or virtual.
Are you uncertain of the eventual outcome Marcos or is the realization just too much to handle?
This news agency is bias
Do you know it's address ?
For all the bias you need regarding Argentina covered by MercoPress the address is:
Casa Rosada,
Plaza de Mayo,
Buenos Aires,
Argentina.
OK?
Just a small reminding that Argentina is not ruled & ordered from
neither Casa Rosada nor Plaza de Mayo .
Not according to the govt website.
Martin garcia issue was resolved with a treaty with Uruguay, in which there was a swap of islands (juncal island)
You should read before talking abouts things you don´t know about
argy scammers :-))))))
Juncal Island
The island is low and flat, and can be completely submerged during high water. It has a total length of 4.91 km and a maximum width of 1.95 km.
Don't you know the all governments are liar.
FACT- UK has NEVER attempted any Exploration - let alone talk of exploitation!! If they have/are - please give me the FACTS - not bullshit!
Who controls the zone?
Who Issues Licences
Who controls and sets Safety Standards.
To whom do the Companies make their Environmental Impact plans and Oil Spill continigency Plans proposals to?
Do please tell me if you find the words “England” or London in their address?
Give you a clue - The Islands are no longer an old fashioned Colony(like what you want to make us!) - but we are a self governing territory with our own offshore EEZ.
So is a modern English colony in the 21st century now? :-)
Is the folllowing information ”British”, ”Clear” and ”Fresh” enough for you; Islander1? :
1) ”…………..a cluster of British-based, London-listed companies have rushed to explore the new frontier of the Falklands basin.
2) ”Licences are awarded by the Falkland Islands governor in consultation with the British Foreign Office, with terms of 9 percent royalties and 26 percent corporate tax. ………………..”
3) ”A British parliamentary report last year asked for clarity over responsibility for oil spills and raised questions about smaller companies' ability to foot the bill for a big spill…………….”
uk.reuters.com/article/2011/12/15/uk-falklands-energy-idUKTRE7BE19X20111215
Envy, and jealously.
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and in responce just trying it on, to see the re-actions .
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