Friday, December 16th 2011 - 20:21 UTC

“We are in a war of attrition…and we can’t let Argentina win”, says Falklands MLA

The Falkland Islands are effectively “under a sea-blockade from Argentina” and after years of quiet diplomacy behind the scenes “we are now in a war of attrition and we need to take the war to the enemy” according to Dr Barry Elsby who on Thursday was elected to fill the vacant seat at the Falkland Islands eight member Legislative Assembly.

Dr. Elsby: “we are entering one of the most difficult, dangerous but also exciting time since the conflict of 1982”

“We are already under an effective sea-blockade but with the 30th anniversary of the (1982 Falklands) conflict next year, I think things will get worse. We must actively prepare for this in order to protect our tourist and oil industries and our own freedom to travel. We can’t let Argentina win” Dr. Elsby was quoted in his election manifesto.

Dr. Elsby and his family arrived to the Falklands on a two-year contract in 1990 and never left. The new MLA has acted as the Chief Medical Officer on many occasions over the past 21 years and was elected by parents to the Board of Education for almost 12 years and is also a member of the Media Trust.

“I decided to stand for election as I feel we are entering one of the most difficult, dangerous but also exciting time since the conflict of 1982”, said Dr. Elsby who on Thursday was elected by an overwhelming 462 out of 702 votes with his runner up capturing 95 votes.

MLA Elsby said he has always supported the Falklands attendance at the UN Committee of 24 and is pleased to see the recent visit by MLA to the Caribbean “to try and win those countries to our point of view”.

However, “I feel we must go further still. We need to employ a world-class publicity firm to promote the Falkland Islands on the world stage and counter Argentine propaganda. This will, of course, cost money but what price freedom?”

Dr. Elsby in his manifesto also referred to the current round of oil exploration, its future implications, challenges and shortcomings, warning on a possible gap between exploration and production times, if oil in sufficient commercial volumes is found.

“There will then be a gap whilst we wait to hear about other drilling plans or possible exploitation of the Sea Lion find” which will have an impact on the Falklands finances and jobs of Islanders in oil industry support services, and “we need to plan for that”.

MLA Elsby said that a large part of this year’s budget surplus has come from the oil industry in the form of taxes but this in only the tip of what might be a very big iceberg if the Rockhopper finds become a commercial success.

“This one field (Sea Lion) alone may yield billions of pounds worth of oil and if this is to happen, I want to help this community take a cold, clear look at options for our future development. We need to decide where we want to be in ten, twenty and forty years’ time”.

And “I don’t want these important decisions on our future and on our children’s future taken by eight MLAs behind closed doors, advised by an ex-pat Chief Executive with little or no input from the public”, underlined MLA Elsby, who described himself as a “passionate believer in open government”.

The Falkland Islands government has made a start in freeing up information “but we have a long way to go to be truly open. It’s my experience of Government that all too often the assumption is made that all information is confidential unless someone can be made to release it”, affirmed MLA Elsby.


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1 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 16th, 2011 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
2 Teaboy2 (#) Dec 16th, 2011 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
“we are now in a war of attrition and we need to take the war to the enemy”

Dam right its time we hit back at argentina and put them back in their place. I have a feeling the navy will be looking at diverting extra ships there to break the argentine illegal blockade. I doubt we would even need to fire a single shot either as they will probably scurry back to port and hide like they did in 1982.
3 Think (#) Dec 16th, 2011 - 09:35 pm Report abuse

Just ignore the Argie Bargies........
They can't do nothing....
Ignore us....
Please :-)
4 Searinox (#) Dec 16th, 2011 - 10:05 pm Report abuse
2# please open fire to argentine ships, its going to be easier than we tought jaja
5 briton (#) Dec 16th, 2011 - 10:28 pm Report abuse
1 Marcos Alejandro
Yes we agree, your baaa and your sheep, land running and you will be ok,
Silly bar bar .
6 Redhoyt (#) Dec 16th, 2011 - 11:46 pm Report abuse
Quite correct Think - nothing Argentina can do - except be nuisance !

Same as its always been :-)
7 Think (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 12:27 am Report abuse
(6) Redhoyt
That's the spirit, Lad!
Keep ignoring us and we will just vanish.....
Other Britons, as f. ex. Mr Lordton, should follow your lead :-)
8 so_far (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 12:34 am Report abuse
Yes RedHole....nothing Argentina can do.

btw....still using islander´s money and enjoing Thailand beaches ? you´re lazzy man don´t you ? ;) keep writing Lord Ton funny blog please
9 Redhoyt (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 01:28 am Report abuse
I'm fully on your side boys - Argentina vanishing sounds like the perfect solution.

Britain already ignores Argentina at the UN - and that has served us well. A dignified silence in the face of a childish rant.

Peeeerfect :-)

All Britain has done on this occassion, contrary to the headlines, is to seek clarification. After all, Uruguay may be in breach of international law.

I have no doubts that Mujica will be around at the Embassy doing a little hand wringing :-)
10 Teaboy2 (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 02:07 am Report abuse

Looking at this article - its pretty clear there will be nothing you can do. I mean think about it, 100 Pesos for a few groceries, you can just imagine how much jet fighter fuel would cost let alone the cost of ammunition. You simply can not afford any military action, and you certainly can not afford a war with the UK. Like i said earlier, as soon as we send extra ships down there you navy will sail back to port and hide, just like in 1982.

I feel sorry for the argentines that are wise to what is really happening in argentina and how things are going down hill in your country economically. Especially when its idiot indoctrinated argentines like some of the argentina commenters here that kept CFK in power, despite her economic models ruining your country financially.
11 Valle Ricardo (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 02:35 am Report abuse
Good idea. hire a world class PR firm to promote the Falklands. Argentina will try and copy. In a few months Argentina will give up as it has cost them a whole years defence budget.
12 so_far (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 02:55 am Report abuse
#10 Dear kid.....Argentina will recover Malvinas soon without a single me. Regards
13 Teaboy2 (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 03:18 am Report abuse
1 - am not a kid
2- you will never recover the islands
3 - they were never yours, so you can not recover anything.
4 - The islanders have the right to self determination, therefore argentina has no rights to the islands.
5 - You refuse to goto the ICJ, even though that is evidently your only real option, but even that is likely to fail due to the right to self determination under the UN Charter.
6 - Argentinas recent naval blockade is a breach of the UN Convention on the law of the sea
7 - The blockade is also an act of military agression and therefore deemed an act of war against the UK under internation laws.
8 - As a result of your act of war against the UK and the falkland islands, the UK and the islands would be within their rights to declare war and fire on any argentine vessel in falklands, internation and argentine waters without warning, though will likely only do so if the argentine vessel is military and acting agressively.
9 - We can apply for UN sanctions to be put in place against argentina and cease all trade and put a weapons embargo in place like after the 1982 war.
10 - The effect of such sanctions, or war, or possibly even a blockade of argentine ports would result in economic catastrophe for argentina, expecially when we push of seizure of all argentina assets and argentine company assets, which as the second largest Financial sector in the world, it will not be hard to do, not to mention blocking any trade and or trade agreements between the EU and mercosur. Now that would really piss your neighbours off and they will only have Argentina to blame..

So please stop dreaming, as the islands will never ever be argentine - Only kids dream up such delusional fantasy's, so i geuss thats make you the real kid here.

Oh and by the way, the UK's got a much better hand then argentina could ever dream off having in this dispute.
14 Redhoyt (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 05:08 am Report abuse
SoFa - trust you?

Funny :-)
15 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 05:42 am Report abuse
you will never recover the islands
16 Kiwisarg (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 06:48 am Report abuse
13 Teaboy2
you are another fuc'g pirate like, beef, rotten, think and, bla,bla. The Malvinas Islands are getting back to Argentina.
17 xbarilox (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 06:58 am Report abuse
It's official, Margaret Thatcher has died.
18 Kiwisarg (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 07:14 am Report abuse
17 xbarilox
yes !1 She has died!!
19 Teaboy2 (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 08:11 am Report abuse
@16 We if being british or an falkland islanders makes me and my fellow brits pirates, then id rather be a pirate any day than be an argentine. Especialy hypocrite argentine that lives in New zealand a british commonwealth country that has the queen as the head of state and the Union Jack on their flag.

I bet the new zealanders see you as pathetic as a result of your atitude to us brits. Oh but then you probably either do not have any friends and are a sad lonely loser that the new zealand society have washed their hands off. Or your to much of a coward to say anything about your true feelings towards to british anywhere else but on here. Which would simply make you a pathetic keybroad cowboy.

@17 No Maggie is not dead at all, it was and untrue rumour started on twitter. And if you took the time to see the date the Youtube video was uploaded you will see it was uploaded in December 2010 even the says Maggie Thatcher 1927 - 2010 in the video discription. You plonker lol.
20 xbarilox (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 08:27 am Report abuse
@ 19 I love your gullibility, don't change the way you are, you're really special :)
21 Kiwisarg (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 09:22 am Report abuse
19 Teaboy2
The majority of the population hate the english people,besides are considered persons non grata, here and elsewhere, they consider themselves superior to all, for many years, the pirates took all the resources of NZ lands, as they are and want to make the Falkland Islands. I understand your position, the Bennys and you are afraid, because they know that pirates will have to bring the Malvinas Islands to the real owners soon. And if you do not like this you just got a unique option to return to where you belong! The Thatcher died, sorry,
she's not able to celebrate 30 years of usurpation at Malvinas Islands! otherwise, I have a lot friends, kiwis, maories, pacific Islands and also english too but nice friends, not like you. Teaspoon, I think you are so sick, but of hate!!!
22 WestisBest (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 09:28 am Report abuse
Sock it to 'em Bazza!

She'll die one day Xbox, she is 86 after all. Guess what though, you know what that'll mean to your cause when it happens? Sweet fuck all, nothing'll undo the good work the British did in '82.
No doubt you'll indulge in some empty crowing about an old lady dying but what the hell. It's your Karma mate.
23 lsolde (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 09:53 am Report abuse
“-take the war to the enemy”, l like this bloke. Get up 'em Bazza.
ln answer to your profound & knowledgeable comment of :-
How does this sound?
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhh! Plop.
That's the last sound that you'll ever make if you come here uninvited.
@12 so_far,
l'd trust a boemslang before l trusted you.
24 stick up your junta (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 10:40 am Report abuse
@17 18

But she will live on :-)

Thatcher Drive Stanley
25 geo (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 10:42 am Report abuse
**13 Tea

5/the UN interests and sanction could be valid for Norther Ireland. ??

10/please declare the numbers of Argentina assets /company accounts !!

let the slogans..bring us proofs / numbers.
26 livin' in argentina (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 11:32 am Report abuse
21 Kiwisarg (#) Dec 17th, 2011 -
“The majority of the population hate the english people,”

Where do you get this . New Zealand and it's people are some the UK's closest allies. Mostly originating from the UK. Anyone with a teaspoon of intelligence would know this. So your statement must come from an Argentine history book. Or you are a Troll.
27 stick up your junta (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 11:45 am Report abuse
He's too thick to be a troll

In addition, Canterbury and her sister ship HMNZS Waikato relieved the Royal Navy frigate HMS Amazon in the Indian Ocean during the Falklands War,
28 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 11:47 am Report abuse
If it is indeed a war of attrition, then wanting to trade with Argentina through EU-Mercosur trading bloc agreements is illogical.
More so, because formal agreements involving Argentina appear to have the authority of Chamberlin's 'piece of paper'.

Though it may further sadden our EU partners, the UK may be better off trading bi-laterally with Brasil and Uruguay.
29 geo (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 11:58 am Report abuse
** 26 L... A
New Zealand ia an ally of UK ?? not totaly true !!

New Zealand like Australia are the parts of UK !!

Their Presidents are same her Majesty Queen...
They have Crown Prosecutors not independent...
They have her Majesty's courts not their own...
They have her Majesty's Country Sivil Services...
They have their Royal Country Armies ....
30 geo2 (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 12:02 pm Report abuse
as we see that they have no any “” self determination “” rights...!!
31 Britishbulldog (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 12:20 pm
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32 Philippe (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 01:12 pm Report abuse
Sometimes it is important to call a spade a spade!

33 ChrisR (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 01:55 pm Report abuse
#32 Phillipe

Almost correct. Sometimes you have to call a spade a fucking shovel.

It's the only language these stupid Argentinos relate to.
34 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 02:02 pm Report abuse
Now mateboy2 had put the article:Ten years after economic collapse, Argentina is still in recovery
Let see some comments by the british readers:
“As a Brit living in Argentina, I would say that the social model is one we could learn from. Analogies with Greece can only go so far. Argentina is massively rich in natural resources .... reputedly sufficient to support a population of 200 million, compared to its current 40 million. You can run the country badly and still be fine, which is not going to be Greece´s case.

Having said all that, I have absolutely no intention of returning to Blighty, I love it here!

”growth is what any country needs and Kirchners were doing right things then. For Latin American country to reduce poverty and inequality is something worth noting“

”Sounds to me as if Kirchner's doing it right - in as much as one can in a situation like that.

The article doesn't mention employment figures, but I would guess that the growth rate means they're doing ok.

People are right to be angry about the eye-watering price of basic foods, but inflation is usually temporary, and when she has the economy back on an even keel, there are numerous controls to bring it under control.

It seems to me that the loudest critics are the foreign speculators and financiers who fancy they could make a killing off Argentina if it didn't have a pesky woman president who keeps putting the people first.“
”In 2002 Argentina stuck two fingers up at the IMF, US and EU over her debts. The country said 'Argentina will decide how and when you will be repaid the debt, but now you get nothing'.
Kirchner then worked with the trade unions to develop growth, increasing wages to stimulate demand and taking over the factories whose owners had left the country. They even invented a new currency for a while.
Since then, GDP has increased by more than 50% and the debt has been repaid.
Thats why Arge
35 Yo (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 02:48 pm
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36 geo (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 02:53 pm Report abuse
i have been waiting some bold posters to discuss my comment ( 29) ..!
37 geo2 (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 03:17 pm Report abuse
no given a permission to discuss these most important points ??

given a permission to distract by these unimportant points ??
38 Redhoyt (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 03:21 pm Report abuse
Geo(graphy) #29- such idiocy is not worthy of comment.

Independent nations, with a seat at the UN.

Grow up!
39 geo (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 03:25 pm Report abuse
** 38 red

i have a seat at UN .. !! don't you know ??
i have a friend group to apply UN to get a seat !!
40 Colonel (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 03:25 pm Report abuse
as Uruguayan I m not supporting my government about this rule about the island. This is wrong and is part of the anti-British propaganda from Argentina for the next year, Mr Bruno Marco official from the Argentina government condemned the Prince William training in the Island next year as act of war from the British government.
41 geo (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 03:34 pm Report abuse
** 40 colonel

unfortunately we can't discuss and learn on some points here
they are prohibited and not given them any permission about on
very/more important points....they just make distraction..

42 so_far (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 04:09 pm Report abuse
#14 #23

Why mistrust ?

Mrs. Isolde, I propose a little exercise ....

The British people in the UK taxpayers pay their taxes, which serve to greatly subsidize the economy of the Islands.

Moreover, the FIG besides the enormous revenues from the illegal exploitation of fishing licenses get paid from islanders taxes that are ultimately used it to pay people like Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper (fromally know people employee of FIG who wrote the famous gettingright paper )..... as well as our friend that keeps your blog Redhoyt LordTon 1955 of dubious veracity from Thainlandia.

Conclusion: You like the other ones kelpers friends, (islander1, kelperbout, M_of_I, etc.etc) consume processed information based on a salary and a payment ?

I mean......while you are with the cold wind burns your face every morning on the islands and paying their taxes for others to enjoy the beaches of Thailandia writing what you need every day ?

If the FIG wants to pay I'm sure there will be a lot of people interested in writing a document to suit your needs ..... the gettingright version 2 maybe..... but I think it is unethical.

The other option is to understand the reality, accept and find the truth in other sources and act justly if you want to be accepted as honorable community.
43 Raul (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 04:15 pm Report abuse
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21 Kiwisarg---- You are a dim fucker aren’t you, are your sure you live in New Zealand?

Mercopress always violates its own rules by allowing forum insulting. Pathetic and regrettable insult editor allowing all that is Argentina.
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44 Conqueror (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
Just as a matter of interest. When an Argentine vessel “disappears” at sea, what's the reason?

Here's a thought. How often does Britain carry out it promises? And explain if it can't?

And how often does Argentina do the same?

Who would you trust?
45 Papamoa (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
Great to see an MLA planning the Falklands future!!! and its looking to be mighty fine with all the oil and gas deposits!!
Good Job and don't let the B*****d argentina get you down as they are Impudent and not capable of managing there own country let alone trying to steal the BELOVED FALKLANDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
46 Monty69 (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 05:54 pm Report abuse
42 so_far
You're completely missing the point, again.
No-one who actually lives here needs Pascoe and Pepper, or Lordton, or anyone else to discover any 'truth' about our home. Nobody cares about any of that crap.
What do you think is going to happen? We'll all have some mystical revelation about something that happened in 1833 and give up and go away? Really?
Are we going to suddenly decide that we are part of Argentina's 'integral territory' when all other comparisons around the world tell us we are not?
Are we going to decide we have no culture and identity of our own just because you say so?
Your arguments are all fallacies. They are based on the way you need things to be and not how they actually are. And since I know a lot about my home and you know practically nothing, I don't actually have to listen to anything you say.

However, if you have some 'truth' that you think will change my mind, then let's hear it. It might be your lucky day.

Meanwhile don't lecture us about acting justly. There is nothing just, or even legal about your treatment of us. And your politicians are all downright liars. There isn't anything honourable in spreading the kind of falsehoods your politicians indulge in so you can stop blithering on about the truth like you even know what that is.
47 geo (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 06:07 pm Report abuse
** 46 Monty

They can't speak/discuss for anything , comment ( 29) tells why ....
They are living in the fear pot...!! this is their reality ...!!
48 zethe (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
“They have their Royal Country Armies ....”

Neither country has a royal army. Idiot.
49 geo (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
**48 zet

go /ask Aussie ..Kiwis....come / tell us here ..don't lie !

you know these two UK rags where they are in the world...??
50 geo2 (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 07:20 pm Report abuse
if you say i can't go far
i advice to you ,read today's MercoPress ' New Zealand related article
( Air Forces...Russians...Antarctica ..etc) carefully.....
51 lsolde (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
what on earth are you gibbering on about?
Australia & New Zealand are sovereign independent countries.
They have been since 1931.
They chose to be in the Commonwealth themselves. ln fact l don't think that Australia even has a defence treaty with the UK.
lt does however have one with the USA.
Well one thing for sure, sr Yo. We are not afraid of you or your silly country.
52 briton (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:07 am Report abuse
geo ==
WE dont have a president
and your dragon is spitting false fire again.
53 Redhoyt (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:08 am Report abuse
Monty - “all that crap”

54 Yo (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 01:26 am Report abuse
Why do you censure my comments??
They only have a little piece in spanish.

This is the way you accept other cultures you exterminates them!!!!!

ISLAS MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
55 Redhoyt (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 01:32 am Report abuse
It's an english language forum - but then Argies are not good at following rules !
56 Malvinense 1833 (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 03:02 am Report abuse
@ There is no blockade.
Tourist arrivals, apples, milk.....
What blockade?
Mister Barry Elsby, do not lie.... If Argentina really begins to play hard.....mmmm
57 so_far (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 04:46 am Report abuse
# 42 Monty,

Actually i strong believe that islanders are not guilty of a great ignorance about the American continent and Latin America in general and Argentina in particular.

In fact I think the most responsible of the present ignorance of the people there is a person I respect a lot but in my opinion did not fulfill their primary task of education, Im talking of former Superintendent of Education and Headmaster of Darwin School, in the 90's, Mr John Fowler. fact actually editor ofPenguin News de Stanley still in a great responsabilitie job of information and education and seem to everybody that still is not reaching the main objective......should be educate and inform with the truth to inhabitants of the islands.

Such kind of neglect in education and information is the main reason why appears vile things as graham and pascor paper, gettingright ..or FalklandNews.wordpress or blogs full of lies as Lordon, or individuals like JustinKuntz trying to writing BS in wikipedia all the time or the silence and sinester David Barrow from so far away injecting lies.

an small example...look the youth in Malvinas....amazed me (first minute onwards)

You people need to open your eyes.......Argentina can only show you the lot need to take the decision to peace.
58 Redhoyt (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 06:38 am Report abuse
Sofa - please provide an example of a 'lie' that I have told !

And please back up your assertions with some evidence.

You see, I believe that it is, in fact, Argentina that is letting its people down because of a poor education. Any independent review of history does not favour the Argentine case.

Not a lie. Just history !

The Islanders shut the door on Argentina a long time ago ... take the hint! Leave !
59 lsolde (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 09:19 am Report abuse
Yes, correct, Red,
Begone, so_far. Get thee & thy evil works away.
Take all your silly Argentine mates with you.
There is nothing for you here.
60 Monty69 (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 09:39 am Report abuse
57 so_far

Darwin school burnt down in 1982 and Lisa watson is editor of the penguin News. Get your facts right.

I've seen that clip before- hilarious. I'd be very interested to hear if Stefen Clark still has nothing against Argentines. As the boy said, it all depends who's in charge. You haven't done much of a job of winning over the Falklands youth in the last 5 years have you.

And no, they don't learn about 1982 (or 1833) in school. However, this year the younger children are going to be gathering first hand accounts of the conflict from family members in the run up to the 30th Anniversary of liberation.
Is this the kind of thing you had in mind?
61 geo (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 10:27 am Report abuse
** 51 Isol

i love Australia,have many friends from there
unfortunately it(she) is not independent ,i can't see people elect
president,i can't see independent justice,i can't see independent army,
i can't see any high level politicians from minorities,i can't see
original on...!! spite of a lucky country....!!
62 Papamoa (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 11:11 am Report abuse
Australia and New Zealand are both seperate independent countries the only thing that We have in common with the UK is the English language and the Queen as Head of State!!!!!!
We elect our Own government!!
We have our own armed forces!!
We have Justice and Peace in Our respective countries!!
We also have Our own National anthem!!!
So geo check your facts before you post garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
63 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 11:32 am Report abuse
'Begone. Get thee & thy evil works away.
Take all your silly Argentine mates with you.
There is nothing for you here.' lsolde (#59)

Reminds me of Arthur C Clarke:
64 geo (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 11:37 am Report abuse
** 62 papamao

unfortunately Australia/New Zealand are not independent countries
they don't have people elect president
they don't have independent justice system
they don't have independent armies
they don't have developed minority rights
they don't have thier own original flags
so on...................

unfortunataly this is reality....
if you insist on to believe misleading fairy tale/hallucination ....
no problem for me ...........!!
65 Redhoyt (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 11:49 am Report abuse
No problem at all - they still have a vote at the UN :-)
66 geo (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 11:51 am Report abuse
** 65 red
67 geo2 (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 11:55 am Report abuse
** 65 red

UN is not totaly independent countries' organization.
1/3 of them semi independent ..1/10 not independent..
68 Papamoa (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:13 pm Report abuse
So that makes argentina a corrupt Third world Banana republic, and do remember that argentina has NO Justice and No minority rights just look at the way it treats its own people and other countries!!!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
69 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:20 pm Report abuse
Fabiana Ríos, governor of Islas Malvinas, said the economic crisis in Europe is a chance to recover the islands.

Let´s keep them wasting money and see for how long they can hold them.
70 Papamoa (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:24 pm Report abuse
They only people Wasting there time is argentina! as they are all talk and NO action!
Long Live the Falklands.
71 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
@70 Why is Mr Elsby saying this is the most difficult and dangerous time sinse 1982? For talking?
72 lsolde (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:31 pm Report abuse
l, too have friends & relations in Australia. What you say is not true.
Tell all that rubbish to the Aussies & see where it gets you.
The people elect a Prime Minister who does the same job as a President.
They have their own Army which has nothing to do with the UK Army.
They have their own flag which has the same star constellation as Brazil.
They have their own justice system & judges.
Some would say that minorities in Australia have too many rights.
Don't know where you are getting your information from.
Arrrrrgh, not another Argentine schoolbook! Please tell me that it's not so!
73 Papamoa (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:33 pm Report abuse
@71 Only because argentina is making the Falklanders detest argentinian politcians!!
The more awkward argentina is towards the Falklands the Further away the Islands will become! and very soon the Falklands Future will be heading into a New and Prosperous direction!!
Long Live the Falklands.
74 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:35 pm Report abuse
They only people Wasting there time is argentina! as they are all talk and NO action!
Why do you care so then??
If this is not a problem why care, papamosca?
75 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:35 pm Report abuse

“Only talking”
76 Papamoa (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:38 pm Report abuse
Because they deserve to be protected from overbearing countries like argentina who thinks its accepatable to push small countries around for there own benefit !!!
Long Live the Falklands.
77 geo2 (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:44 pm Report abuse
** 72 Isol

i haven't go to Australia but these written by me are from almost all my friends who told me about Aussie..

one of them is lawyer who told me he took few lawsuit , Aussie law autority can't decide on results should go to Governor submit their
final decisions.. what does it mean ?? ..the Monarchy controls the society
by way of secret tools settled orders inside from Justice System...
78 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:47 pm Report abuse
@76 It`s the own benefit of Argentina what`s in question, given the fact that part of its territory was usurped by a (declining) great power. Precisely because Argentina finds it unacceptable to let great powers push small countries, usurp their territories and exploit its resourses it´s that Argentina will fight forever for territorial integrity.

You´ll give up or get over it.

It`s the final countdown of “Falklands”.
79 Redhoyt (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 01:23 pm Report abuse
Forever is what it's likely to take ..... long countdown !
80 Conqueror (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
@54 Why don't you shut up? Redhoyt has already told you why your drivel got deleted. And why do you continue to talk about an imaginary place. There is no such place as “islas malvinas”. It's on a par with “Wonderland” as in “Alice in Wonderland”. Why do you comment in spanish. Do you not have a language of your own? Would it be because you are an implanted colonist?

@64 Do you have a problem with reality? Is it because reality has no place in your world picture? I am English and I live in England and Britain and the United Kingdom. I assure you that both Australia and New Zealand are independent nations. If you cannot accept this honest statement, please tell us the name of the mental institution you occupy. If you're not in a nuthouse, state your address and we'll get someone to collect you and lock you away.

@69 & 71 Why is it that your “governor” has never been to the territory she is supposed to govern? Why is Mr Elsby a member of an elected government of “your” territory? Any chance your “governor” was elected by the people who live there?


@75 You don't exist. Choose a new name. Like “idiot”, “fool”, “nutter”, brain-dead“, ”no brain“, ”psychotic“ or even ”Argie“. They are all much the same.

@78 Argentina will ”fight forever“. Don't make us laugh. If we spit on you, you'll drown. Would it be worth reminding you that, in 1982, Britain sent 10% of its Army. And how do you think your pitiful ”troops” would have got on if we'd sent 25%? Or 50%? Or 75%? Do try to understand that, in the grand scheme of things, you are an irrelevance, an irritation, a fleabite. And everyone knows what one does with fleas! But maybe we'll follow the example of your juvenile delinquents and defecate on you. Only justice that you should die choking on the stuff.
81 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 02:42 pm Report abuse
@80 I don`t mean war, you paranoic ignorant. Are we making you laugh? Or feel you`re facing the most dangerous and difficult times?
82 so_far (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 02:45 pm Report abuse
Monty the data is correct, Mr John Fowler is now Deputy Editor in Penguin News and former Superintendent of Education and a former Manager of the Falkland Islands Tourist Board

and in the 90's responsible for Education Darwin School, look your own site.

.......Lisa Watson is a young beautifull lady that barely can recognise her left arm from her right.

You know what i mean with lack of education ? Thats the big problem on the islands.....and in my view John Fowler have big responsabilities.

#59 Dear Pettite Holigan Isolde

Your words....

“Begone,.......Get thee & thy evil works away.
Take all your silly Argentine mates with you.
There is nothing for you here.”

That wasnt the same words Captain Onslow used in 1833 for expell Argentines living in peace in the Malvinas ??? ahh never change dont you ??...the same spirit.

#58 Dear Red...if you want people take you seriously pout YOU evidence of all the CRAP you write so cheap in your blog LodTon and FalklandsNews.wordpress.....actually are so funny for Latinoamerica, the only ones that trust on you are Conqueror, Isolde, Fillippo and that kind of level mate :)
83 Monty69 (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 04:59 pm Report abuse
82 so_far
No, Darwin School burnt down in the 1980s.
And Lisa Watson is 42 years old with a grown up son. And even if she weren't, equating young and blonde with stupid isn't very progressive of you.
And it isn't a newspaper's job to 'educate', not in this country.

53 Redhoyt
It isn't the content that's crap. I have no way of knowing if it is or not. The 'crap' element is the credence it gives to the idea of finding a solution in the events of 1833. The Argentines pin their hopes on it and the more we talk about it the more it encourages them. You can tell that from the inane wittereing of the above poster; he thinks that if he can prove you wrong they will get the Falklands as a prize. Pitiful.
84 Conqueror (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 05:02 pm Report abuse
@81 “@80 I don`t mean war, you paranoic ignorant. Are we making you laugh? Or feel you`re facing the most dangerous and difficult times?” I didn't mention war, you brain-dead, mind-scrubbed, homosexual pillock. Just consider the effects of 65 million British citizens pissing down the throats of Argentine cocksuckers. Do you seriously think you wankers constitute “dangerous and difficult times”? Tell you what. My nation and its overseas territory is in greater danger from Dutch elm disease.

@82 Wasn't that bunch of ragged arse “troops” on OUR territory in 1833 in charge of a PENAL colony. Note that. Involuntary “colonists” guarded by the criminals of an illegal rebel colony illegally occupying the territory of a sovereign nation. But only the ragged arse “troops” were required to leave. The involuntary/forced colonists were offered the opportunty to stay. And most did. Thereby showing a distinct preference for British sovereignty rather than “Argentine” tyranny. “Argentines living in peace” in penal colony.

I'm still waiting for an adequate reason why you cocksuckers don't take your claim to the International Court of Justice. Please hurry. I'm 62 years old and I don't see a guarantee of living past 80. There you go, I'm giving you cocksuckers 18 years to come up with an adequate reason. Bet you can't do it!
85 dab14763 (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 05:17 pm Report abuse
72 Isolde,

The people elect a Prime Minister who does the same job as a President.


Only the head of government functions are carried out by the PM. The head of state functions are carried out by the Governor General.

77 geo2

The Governor General of Australia is an Australian. The Queen of Australia appoints whoever the Australian PM tells her to appoint.

The Governors of the Australian states are Australian, the Queen of Australia appoints whoever the Premier of the state tells her to appoint.

The Governors General, Lieutenant Governors, and Governors of the Commonwealth Realms and their subdivisions are all citizens of those countries. The UK government has no say in their appointment or in their functions.
86 geo (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 05:34 pm Report abuse
** 85 dab

in the Republics the State is represented by Presidents not by Prime Ministers....
in the Republics you have two options to elect President :
1) directly election by people ( USA, South American countries.........)
2) directly election by parliament ( Germany, Italy..........)
87 so_far (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 05:52 pm Report abuse
#83 Monty,

no one is equating anything .... just you.

and about what you said earlier in #60 talking about lack of education in students your words ...”And no, they don't learn about 1982 (or 1833) in school.”

This is the MAIN problem....and thanks for valid my point......i strong believe that youh IN Mlavinas need to know everything....1833....1960-65 ....UN resolutions .1982...and of course this 2011......DONT HIDE INFORMATION !!! teach them everything !!!!!!! for the future they need to take some decision and NEED information.......

I think that clearly defines the problem in the islands lack of education .... which is great responsbilidad of our friend John Fowler who did the job right ...... maybe it is a lost generation. I hope not. Argentina have a goodwill and is wating in peace.
88 Monty69 (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
87 so_far
Do you think teaching children our version of what happened in 1833 is going to make any difference to anything? No.
And we haven't taught the events of 1982 until now because there is no way of doing it without making you look like b**&^% and scaring the children.
I told you already, we don't do indoctrination. It's not 'hiding' anything. Dead UN resolutions are irrelevant. We all know you want sovereignty and you won't discuss it with us. Your government says we don't get to decide. The children know that too. If it was taught in school it would take about 5 minutes.
The Falklands history they learn in school is about their own culture, and the way of life here in the past, and significant figures from history. This is what matters.
Anyway, this time around they are going to gather some eyewitness accounts and make up their own minds. I'm warning you that those eyewitness accounts aren't going to help your case any.
89 dab14763 (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 07:37 pm Report abuse

I never said that in Republics the state is represented by a Prime Minister.

I'm well aware of the difference between a president in a presidential system and a president in a parliamentary system.

In a presidential system the president functions as both head of state and head of government, and in democracies is elected directly in most cases or indirectly as in the US.

In parliamentary republics the president is the head of state and the head of government is a prime minister, premier, or chancellor. The head of state and the head of government are two different people. The president can be elected directly or by the legislature, which may be the national legislature, or a combination of the national legislature and state legislatures.

Apart from how the head of state of a parliamentary republic gets his/her job, the government system of a parliamentary republic is more similar to the government system of a constitutional monarchy than to the government system of a presidential republic, and if the republic follows the Westminster system, it will be very similar to the UK government system.
90 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 08:22 pm Report abuse
@84 It wasn´t me who said these are the most difficult and dangerous times for pirats in Malvinas... so take a deep breath and get over it!
91 so_far (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
#88 Monty, your words...

“Do you think teaching children our version of what happened in 1833 is going to make any difference to anything?”

i say....YES Monty...not only is all, 178 years of madness is enough proof what you´re doing to your youth hiding vital information.

and later your say about the youth in Malvinas.... “this time around they are going to gather some eyewitness accounts and make up their own minds”.

i say...AMEN...please let it be......please
92 Redhoyt (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 11:21 pm Report abuse
Mony - I'm thick skinned.

But you are quite correct - the UN Charter was the game changer. Which is why Argentina spends so much time trying to rubbish the concerpt of self-determination.

The history is interesting, and quite sufficient to show that Argentina never established a claim.

But the UN Charter as a multi-lateral Treaty signed by Argentina and Britain over-rules history.
93 briton (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 11:25 pm Report abuse
Argentina thinks think,, that because we have other problems at the moment, we might miss something in the Falklands,
Sadly we are not argie,,, we are British, and quite used to multiple problems all at once, and deal with them accordingly,
Sooner or later we will get around to you,
Unless you push us to far,
But hey, what are you lot worried about, your argentine aren’t you,
You fear no one, so do what you normally do
Keep the whit flags near and the back door open.
[And cheer up, its Xmas ]
94 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 11:28 pm Report abuse is all

By Carlos Escudé

. Summarize the findings of a multi-stage research project on the nationalistic, authoritarian and militaristic contents of Argentina's educational system
95 malen (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 11:45 pm Report abuse
we are in a war of attrition.....says mr elseby
i dont know what attrition means, but anyway he is alone in that war
your news agency wants Arg to get infurate or sth like that, and Arg is very discret and not provocating nothing.
and lets see its an unilateral decission in a territory in dispute to introduce any change about resources of the place. so fishing and oil searching is illegal. no matter if you say you dont doubt of “your” sovereignity, its not you who has to say it, obviously, you are there by force.
you cant expect stealing as you are, we are going to let you use our ports, give you supply, etc use other routs for example the pacific through the channel of panama or african waters and period.
96 Redhoyt (#) Dec 18th, 2011 - 11:58 pm Report abuse

1966 - December 16th, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights is adopted by UN General Assembly in Resolution 2200A (XXI) -
“ Article 1 - All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
Article 2 – All peoples may, for their own ends, freely dispose of their natural wealth and resources without prejudice to any obligations arising out of international economic co-operation, based upon the principle of mutual benefit, and international law. In no case may a people be deprived of its own means of subsistence.
Article 3 - The States Parties to the present Covenant, including those having responsibility for the administration of Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territories, shall promote the realization of the right of self-determination, and shall respect that right, in conformity with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations.”

So what the Islanders are doing with their fish and oil is not ony lawful, but protected by the UN Charter.

Argentina signed and is bound by Article 3 !

We are not there by force, we are there because the 'peoples' of the Falklands wish us to be.
97 celebrityweddin (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 12:05 am
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98 briton (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 12:07 am Report abuse
95 malen if you think it is yours
take it to the ICG,
and stop complaining .
99 malen (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 12:31 am Report abuse
you are there by force using the wishes of islanders, you are for your own interests (we already know so well, begins with Ant.....)
and second if I wish caribbean islands, they are argeintinians till I wish and then, after I have occupied them, become Malens islands and that what sovereignity is about?? no matter history, territorial integrity, people that was expelled, the claim from 1833 onwards, etc.
the soveriegnity is in dispute, particular and special case non self gov applicates.
100 briton (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 12:40 am Report abuse
99 malen
you are there by force using the wishes of islanders, you are for your own interests (we already know so well, begins with Ant.....)

the only nation to use force, was Argentina, and that’s a fact,[
as for ANT, black or red ??

and second if I wish Caribbean islands, they are Argentineans till I wish and then, after I have occupied them, become Maleness islands and that what sovereignty is about??/////////////
[][are you saying that the people of the Caribbean are really argentines in disguise ??
That’s interesting .]]

no matter history, territorial integrity, people that was expelled, the claim from 1833 onwards, etc.
the sovereignty is in dispute, particular and special case non self gov applicates.??

[][ so you wish to ignore history,,,,
Inact a date of 1833, and sod the rest,,,,,,,,,,

Is not the world history by Argentina, [now] out of date,
Come come my hasty indoctrinated, fellow,
You cannot have, what you never owned,

101 malen (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 12:42 am Report abuse
you were well in that of the ANT :)
that ANT is white :)
102 briton (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 12:59 am Report abuse
never seen a white ant ?
103 Islander1 (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 01:55 am Report abuse
Please provode EVIDENCE that UK is holding the Islands by force and using the wishes of Islanders to justify it.
Also please provide the Names of the civilains (and their nationalities) who were allegendly expelled from the Islands in 1832

I give you a clue- there were 2 families- 4 people a Brazzilian and a Uruguyan.
They left voluntarily of their own free will - dsocumented in your own national Archives!
ALL the Arg civilans STAYED Voluntarilly - again documented in your Archives.
104 Redhoyt (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 04:30 am Report abuse
Mad'un - history is on our side. Argentina never managed to get any territorial integrity over the islands, and these days territorial integrity comes in a poor second to self determination.

Not a special case - just an old one.
105 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 04:55 am Report abuse
take it to the ICG,
#98 britton,I know GEC!
What company is ICG?
conqueror: You are fired!!
really?? And you are nuts!
Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas)
106 lsolde (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 06:08 am Report abuse
Yes you are correct.
Don't quite understand the fuctions of the respective positions, in some countries that have both a Prime Minister & a President.
l guess the President has the same duties as a Governor-General?
Whats a “holigan” bradco?
Maybe Captain Onslow did use those words when expelling Argentine squatters(the illegal Argentine garrison)in 1833.
A good choice of words, if l do say so myself.
But they certainly weren't living in peace. Another Argentine myth(lie!).♥
107 Redhoyt (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 08:22 am Report abuse
#82 -
“1833 - January 3rd, Commander Onslow orders his men to lower the Federal Pact flag and hoist the Union Jack in its place. The ensign is folded with due respect and returned to the Sarandi with the message that the British had found, ”a foreign flag in the territory of His Majesty.”

See, he was quite polite.

As for the living in peace - if that was the case why -
“February 8th, Mestivier's murderer, Sáenz Valiente, is shot after having his right hand cut off, six other mutineers are shot by firing squad in a public execution and two others are flogged. José Antonio Gomila is only condemned to 2 years on half pay.”

As for who stayed, and who left -
“ José Pinedo records in his ship's log, the names of those he has brought back from Puerto Louis;
“Capt. D. Juan Antonio Gomila, Miguel Hernandez and his wife Maria Romero, Sgt. Santiago Almandos Almonacid, Soldiers: José Barrera, José Gómez, Manuel Francisco Fernández, Toribio Montesuma, Jose Soto, José Rodríguez, Juan Castro and his wife Manuela Navarro, Antonio García, Juan J. Rivas and his wife Maria I. Beldaño, Denis Godoy, Hipólito Villarreal and his wife Lucia Correa and two sons, Gregory Durán and his wife Carmen Manzanares, with two sons, Benito Vidal and his wife Maria Saisa. Daniel Molina.
Settlers: Joaquín Acuña, his wife Juana, Matthew González, his wife Marica.
Aliens: José Viel, John Quedy, Francisco Ferreyra, plus 1 prisoner.”
Military prisoners removed on the Rapid are recorded as: Sgt. José María Díaz, Soldiers: José Antonio Díaz, Manuel Delgado, Mariano Gadea, Manuel Suares, Francisco Ramírez, Bernardino Cáceres, Manuel Saenz, Antonio Moncada, Women: María Rodríguez, with three children; Anastasia Romero; Encarnación Alvarez; Carmen Benitez; Tránsita González, with a son. ”

Joaquín Acuña, his wife Juana, Matthew González and his wife Marica were the only settlers to leave.

All in Argentina's own archives !

Ain't history fun ?? Or cr*p, (even futile :-) depending on your perception.

108 malen (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 09:06 am Report abuse
I have heard so many different histories of this matter from you.........according to the day, the matter, the weather, you change it.
that the isles were inhabitated, not habitated, that youdidnt expelled, that you expelled, that there were 3 dogs ,no 10 dogs and a cat, etc, etc, already posted about that, watch old posts please. not to be repeating.
I see you are getting nervous..........and we are very calm.
109 ChrisR (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 10:01 am Report abuse
By Carlos Escudé
At least one Argentino was thinking, not raving, about 1982:

[3] . After the war, a lot has been said about the possibility that the result might have been different if Argentina would have been “luckier” in her military operations, sinking more British ships with bombs that hit their targets but never exploded. Such conjectures are very unconvincing for the simple reason that war is not a sport played on the gentlemanly defined limits of the playing grounds. If Argentina had, for example, sunk one of the British aircraft carriers, escalation would have been inevitable, with the remaining one attacking the Argentine mainland and most probably wrecking the Patagonian oil and hydroelectric industry. This would have had a devastating long term effect upon Argentina's economy, and an immediate and equally disastrous effect on political support for the war, as Buenos Aires would have been left without energy. As it was, war never got to Argentina, and the country can be considered extremely fortunate for that.

Perhaps all you Argie numbskulls who think you have a cat in hells' chance of beating Britain, had better read the final sentance two or three times for it to sink in.

Next time: Astute Class Nuclear Submarine: can reach ALL major cities in Argentina; regular or extra crispy in less than 30 minutes. YOUR CHOICE.
110 malen (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 10:12 am Report abuse
and then you say you dont use force 109
week of christmas. happy christmas to everybody!!!
and new year!!!! to you too redhoyt, (you are so funny:)
111 lsolde (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 11:26 am Report abuse
Yes, Malena, merry christmas & a happy new year to you, too.
112 ChrisR (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 01:59 pm Report abuse
110 malen
I have never said I would never use force.

The final paragraph is one possible (though very unlikely) scenario if Argentina keeps agressively attacking the peaceful people of the Falklands (there are no Malvinas).

Given the rank stupidity shown by most Argies on this site to what they are facing if they 'took on' Britain militarily, then an armed response (note the response) by Britain to another invasion or act of war toward Britain (includes BOTs) would result in devastation for the Argentinean mainland.
113 livin' in argentina (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 02:14 pm Report abuse
1 (#) Dec 19th, 2011


This reminds me of another country...Israel! I don't want to get into the rights or wrongs but the facts are this.
This country is surrounded by unfriendly neighbours who refuse to acknowledge that Israel even exists.
Some have declared that they even want to wipe them off the map/ push them into the sea etc etc etc. Sound familiar?
But despite this Israel does exists and by mere fact that these neighbours threaten bluster and bully means that Israel would have full backing from almost all civilised countries in the world if such an event ever took place.
Another country has a similar problem. Taiwan. Independent nation which has a BIG neighbour always saying This Island is part of China etc etc etc. Self determination keeps them independent. As well as having support from strong friends.
If either of these two countries fell to the threats of the aggressor states then I would be concerned for the Falklands. But until that time I believe The Islanders can sleep well at night knowing that they have friends who stand up to bullies. Compared to China or Iran Argentina is a toothless old stray cat. Hissing at imagined threats but will run given the chance if ever there was one.
114 ChrisR (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
113 livin' in argentina
Excellent summation as far as I am concerned.
115 Raul (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
82 so_far

I really strongly believe that the islanders are not guilty of a lack of knowledge on the American continent and Latin America in general and Argentina in particular.

I fully share your opinion, is a wholly aligned and dominated by the English, unable to self-criticism, or to understand the social processes and their contexts.
Excellent article, I saw the link is very interesting and persepción they have over their government and England.
Unfortunately they do not realize that their society is a product of colonialism, and usurpation.
116 stick up your junta (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
Unfortunately they do not realize that their society is a product of colonialism, and usurpation


The Conquest of the Desert (Spanish: Conquista del desierto) was a military campaign directed mainly by General Julio Argentino Roca in the 1870s, which established Argentine dominance over Patagonia, which was inhabited by indigenous peoples. The Conquest is commemorated on the 100 peso bill in Argentina
117 Argie (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 07:48 pm Report abuse
The UN's official name for the arcipelago is Falkland-Malvinas Islands and Islas Malvinas-Falklands. All of you here are not naming them with their proper name. Bleat!
118 Raul (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 08:04 pm Report abuse
The Conquest of the Desert (Spanish: Conquest of the Desert) was a military campaign directed mainly by General Julio Argentino Roca in the 1870s, which established Argentine dominance in Patagonia, which was inhabited by indigenous peoples.

Crimes of General Julio Argentino Roca does not override the sovereign rights of Argentina over the Falkland Islands. And historical contexts are different social processes. UK has 500 years of existence thanks to colonialism and imperialism. In this context, the conflict must be judged. The decolonization committee of the United Nations is very clear about which is the appropriate body to understand the conflicts generated by colonialism. In its resolutions states very clearly that the Falklands conflict is an issue of sovereignty and self-determination.
In the Malvinas Question General Assembly of the United Nations included this doctrine - the principle of territorial integrity by referring to the interests and NOT the wishes of the population of the islands - in its resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, later confirmed by other resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37 / 9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39 / 6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41 / 40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute and reaffirm the implementation of resolution 2065 (XX) Parties (Argentina and the United Kingdom).
119 Papamoa (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 08:53 pm Report abuse
The Falklands are still planning for there long term future and will not be side lined by argentine politicians who are trying to distract there people from there own short comings!!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
120 stick up your junta (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
Unfortunately they do not realize that their society is a product of colonialism, and usurpation


Following Paraguay's defeat in 1870, Argentina sought to enforce one of the secret clauses of the Triple Alliance Treaty which permitted Argentina to annex a large portion of the Gran Chaco region, an area that was rich in quebracho wood (a product used in the tanning of leather). The Argentine negotiators proposed to Brazil that Paraguay should be divided in two, with each of the victors incorporating a half into its territory.
121 Monty69 (#) Dec 19th, 2011 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
115 Raul
Our society is a product of colonialism, just the same as yours is. Don't presume to tell me what I think.
What does 'England' have to do with anything? You might just as well say 'Wales' or 'Scotland'.
Lots of islanders were educated in South America you prat, including some who participate in the forum. You don't know anything.
122 Domingo (#) Dec 20th, 2011 - 07:43 am Report abuse
@118. Raul, in the case of the Falkland Islands status as a non-self-governing territory, the principle of Territorial Integrity applies to Great Britain. This is because Great Britain is the Administering Country under the terms of UN Charter Article 73

The reality is that Argentina's Sovereignty Claim violates British Territorial Integrity contrary to UN Charter Article 2 & UN GA Resolution 1514(XV), whereby Argentina attempts to disrupt British National Unity and Territorial Integrity

Argentina is in breach of Articles 2, 74 and the Rome Statute of the ICC through its political and economic persecution of the Falkland Islanders. The UN Security Council is empowered to enforce Argentina's compliance with Articles 2 and 74 and ICC Statute

In 1982 after the Argentina's invasion of a peaceful fellow UN member, Great Britain invoked Article 51 on the matter of British Territorial Integrity. The UN Security Council support British Territorial Integrity in UN SC Resolution 502

Argentina's invasion of the Falkland Islands in 1982 was a breach of all UN Charter Articles and all UN Resolutions regarding this issue

Argentina should refer its sovereignty claim to the UN International Court of Justice in accordance with UN Charter Article 93

Argentina's Congress ratified the Convention of Settlement with Great Britain in 1850 which settled all existing differences. Great Britain has been in peaceful occupation of the Falkland Islands for 178 years and British Sovereignty is confirmed by the principle of Prescription. Furthermore, Argentina lost the 1982 conflict and the principle of uti possidetis, ita possideatis applies to British Sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. UN Charter Article 73 applies and UN GA resolution 2065(XX) confirms resolution 1514(XV) covers the case of the Falkland Islands, which Argentina voted for

Thus the principle of Self-Determination applies. The Falkland Islanders, chose to be British and as such the Falkland Islands are British
123 lsolde (#) Dec 20th, 2011 - 09:21 am Report abuse
Very well explained, but l don't suppose that it will make a blind bit of difference to these ridiculous malvinistas.
124 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 20th, 2011 - 10:15 am Report abuse
I have Saved this #122, as it is pretty definitive.
It will come in useful each time we get a new or under-informed person posting on the topic.
125 M_of_FI (#) Dec 20th, 2011 - 11:55 am Report abuse
@ 115 “Unfortunately they do not realize that their society is a product of colonialism, and usurpation.”

So you want to teach the islanders by colonising and unsurping them yourselves? How kind of you. And how very 18th Century of you. Once again the hypocricy is outrageous.
126 dreyfoss (#) Dec 20th, 2011 - 12:44 pm Report abuse
9 geo (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 11:58 am Report abuse
** 26 L... A
“”“ New Zealand ia an ally of UK ?? not totaly true !!
New Zealand like Australia are the parts of UK !!
Their Presidents are same her Majesty Queen...
They have Crown Prosecutors not independent...
They have her Majesty's courts not their own...
They have her Majesty's Country Sivil Services...
They have their Royal Country Armies ....”“””

Two other countries you stole then tried to wipe out the indigenous people. In fact you succeeded in Tasmania after you offered a bonus for the ears of every native Indian you murdered.

Dr.Elsby I offer you good advice. Hire Saatchi and Saatchi to sell your dream to the world as you will be able to afford it and I will find it interesting how they will be able to justify a European Colonial power pillaging the resources of South America for the benefit of a handful of Foreign investors.
Dr.Elsby like the majority of the people in the islands are British passport holders with their homes in Britain who use the islands as a source of employment and opportunity.
But be warned Elsby- your mindless stupidity is opening a door that is opening onto a road that can lead only to a catastrophic confrontation with the entire community of nations of South America.
127 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 20th, 2011 - 12:59 pm Report abuse
“Most difficult and Deangerous times” by Mr Elsby

Argentina making the first steps to build a nuclear submarine in 2012.
128 Domingo (#) Dec 20th, 2011 - 01:25 pm Report abuse
@dreyfoss 126: Lol. In your wet dreams!

Nothing of the sort will happen. I predict the matter shall be address by the appropriate international regulatory bodies and remedied in favor of the Falkland Islanders.

The Falkland Islands democratically elected representatives are merely giving voice to their constituents views about how to counter Argentine repression. That is democracy and common sense in action, not mindless stupidity. Nothing particular shall come of any of this

Argentine criticisms about modern-day Australia and New Zealand are laughable hypocrisy; a true instance of the pot calling the kettle black
129 livin' in argentina (#) Dec 20th, 2011 - 01:26 pm Report abuse
9 geo (#) Dec 17th, 2011 - 11:58 am Report abuse
** 26 L... A
“”“ New Zealand ia an ally of UK ?? not totaly true !!
It's either true or not. It's a simple statement. Only one fact in there. Surly you can make up your mind to if it is true or not.

New Zealand like Australia are the parts of UK !!
Wrong.They are not part of the UK anymore.

Their Presidents are same her Majesty Queen...
Wrong. They have a head of state which is Queen Elizabeth II. Then they have Prime ministers. No presidents thankfully.

They have Crown Prosecutors not independent...
They have Crown prosecutors. correct. Independent from what?

They have her Majesty's courts not their own...
Her majestys courts are their own courts.

They have her Majesty's Country Sivil Services...

They have their Royal Country Armies ....”“””

Two other countries you stole then tried to wipe out the indigenous people. In fact you succeeded in Tasmania after you offered a bonus for the ears of every native Indian you murdered.
What the hell are you talking about. Have you been reading the Argentine history book again?

Dr.Elsby I offer you good advice. Hire Saatchi and Saatchi to sell your dream to the world as you will be able to afford it and I will find it interesting how they will be able to justify a European Colonial power pillaging the resources of South America for the benefit of a handful of Foreign investors.
blah blah blah.........

Dr.Elsby like the majority of the people in the islands are British passport holders with their homes in Britain who use the islands as a source of employment and opportunity.
haha. Your so clever with your insight.......

But be warned Elsby- your mindless stupidity is opening a door that is opening onto a road that can lead only to a catastrophic confrontation with the entire community of nations of South America.”
Reeeaaaalllly? let's wait and see then eh?
130 Be serious (#) Dec 20th, 2011 - 01:48 pm Report abuse
Argentinians can't understand we Brits, Aussies, Canadians, Kelpers and Kiwis because they are thick, foreign, facist and greasy. No offence.
131 ChrisR (#) Dec 20th, 2011 - 01:56 pm Report abuse
127 Islas Malvinas (#)
I have read the Wops' budget statement in the link, and at the risk of being considered an Argie, ha,ha,ha,ha!

What a load of tripe. You are going to increase spending from 3.2MUSD to....WAIT FOR IT: 5.0 MUSD.!!
AND this is the national budget for the 'defence' of Argentina!!! We are all quaking in our boots (from laughter).

AND you reckon you are going to start “Argentina making the first steps to build a nuclear submarine in 2012.” What it really says is “early preparations for building the first nuclear submarine in the area of these same yards” which probably means you are going to scrap the crap, such as the useless subs that are sitting on wood and sweep the yard out.

AND WHAT DOES THIS RUBBISH ACTUALLY MEAN: “as well as the launch of series construction of different vectors, both the Army and the Navy, in a first stage.” Gobledegook of the highest order!

I must thank you for giving me the biggest laugh I have ever had when reading the pathetic Argie bragging, AND, in the six months I have been looking at MercoPress I have seen some REAL crap written by Argies.

5.0 MUSD, I can't get over it! Ha, Ha, Ha. BRILLIANT!!!
132 Limongi (#) Dec 20th, 2011 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
You Brits can cite all the U.N. articles or resolution that you want. It does not change the fact that the U.N. will NEVER act against Brazil, Argentina or Uruguay. The only countries that the U.N. is able to punish is Lybia, Iran, etc. Why? Because they are isolated from the international community.

Do you really think that the United States would allow a resolution that would punish Brazil or Argentina be adopted at the UNSC? Two of their top hemispheric partners? Or that the majority of the countries would vote against Brazil or Argentina at the General Assembly? REALLY? Wake up Brits!
133 ChrisR (#) Dec 20th, 2011 - 05:07 pm Report abuse
132 Limongi

UN and NEVER in the same statement!

Do you read many UN resolutions? No, I didn't think so.

BTW the US will act in accordance with international law, they always do, and Argentina is acting outside of the law.
134 Raul (#) Dec 20th, 2011 - 05:42 pm Report abuse
121 Monty69
122 Sunday
123 lsolde
124 GeoffWard2
125 M_of_FI

The principle of self-determination does not apply to the Question of the Malvinas Islands.
The specificity of the Malvinas question is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina. Is ruled out then the possibility of applying the principle of self determination, as its exercise by the Islanders would cause the “breach of national unity and territorial integrity” of Argentina. In this regard it should be noted that resolution 1514 (XV) “Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” in the sixth paragraph states that “Any attempt aimed at partial or total disruption of national unity and territorial integrity a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter. ”In the Malvinas Question General Assembly of the United Nations included this doctrine - the principle of territorial integrity taking into account the interests and NOT the wishes of the people of the islands - in its resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37 / 9), 1983 (38/12) , 1984 (39 / 6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. and reaffirm the invitation made in resolution 2065 (XX) Parties (Argentina and the United Kingdom) ”to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Ad Hoc Committee on the Situation with regard to the implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, to find a peaceful solution to the problem. In 2004 the Argentine government to the Malvinas Islands Question to appear on the permanent agenda and in the paper by the Bureau of the General Assembly.
135 briton (#) Dec 20th, 2011 - 05:52 pm Report abuse
105 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 19th,
take it to the ICG,
#98 britton,I know GEC!
What company is ICG?
[105] you must read my items with exclusive scrutiny.
[what is ICG]
We if you don’t know what it is, im not telling you, everyone knows what ICG is,
But you are not very clever,[are you] but being an argie, I will let it go
But if you like take it to the ICJ if that helps . ?/

136 livin' in argentina (#) Dec 20th, 2011 - 06:15 pm Report abuse
134 Raul (#) Dec 20th, 2011 - 05:42 pm

The principle of self-determination does not apply to the Question of the Malvinas Islands.
The specificity of the Malvinas question is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833.
----and expelled the illegal occupiers and reassurted their claim after the USA declared the Islands free of ALL government.
137 Monty69 (#) Dec 20th, 2011 - 06:27 pm Report abuse
134 Raul
The principle of territorial integrity does not apply in this case because we are not an integral part of your territory, so you did all that typing for nothing.
There is absolutely no precedent in the UN's history for the forcible subjugation of an unwilling population on the grounds of territorial integrity (or anything else). You are deluded.
And you can pipe down about UN resolutions, since Argentina has shown itself very willing to completely disregard them when it suits.
138 Raul (#) Dec 20th, 2011 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
135 British

But if you like take it to the International Court of Justice if that helps. ?

Dear British:

England will never accept the International Court of Justice because doing so will automatically recognize that there is a sovereignty dispute with Argentina.
The International Court of Justice proceedings immediately send the dispute to the decolonization committee of the UN, which is the most appropriate body for interpreting and understanding the concepts of colonization and imperialism, its historical contexts and social processes, and has already extensively reviewed the arguments of both Argentina and the UK finally failed and it is a sovereignty dispute and self-determination. Just note that in the Malvinas Question General Assembly of the United Nations included this doctrine - the principle of territorial integrity by referring to the interests and NOT the wishes of the population of the islands - in its resolution 2065 (XX) 1965, later confirmed by other resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37 / 9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39 / 6), 1985 (40/21) 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute and reaffirm the invitation made ​​in resolution 2065 (XX) Parties (Argentina and the United Kingdom).
The International Court of Justice in its judgments rests on the committee of the United Nations decolonization. Remember that the international court of justice and decolonization committee United Nations is supranational. Both have a lot of international prestige and complement each other.
Thank you very much.
139 Limongi (#) Dec 20th, 2011 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
#133 ChrisR

You are wrong. I'm an IR student, so I do follow what goes on at the United Nations and its agencies. There's a great difference between theory and practice. The fact is that Brazil and Argentina have diplomatic clout at the United Nations. I hardly believe that Russia, China or France would be willing to damage their relations with Brazil (the world's 6th largest economy) because Brazil chose to close its ports to Falkland vessels. The decision to close their ports was decided at the Unasur, a regional supranational body.

Do you think that Russia, China or the United States would be willing to damage their relations with the 6th largest economy on the planet (yes, Brazil just overtook the UK this week) in support of the an island? You guys are delusional.

As for the United States following U.N. resolutions and international law, that is arguable. Guantanamo? Israel's constant defiance and violations of UNSC resolutions? Invasion of Iraq? ...
140 Raul (#) Dec 20th, 2011 - 09:29 pm Report abuse
131 ChrisR

With all due respect you deserve, by the way you expreción gives the impression that these overly confident. In your place I would not be so quiet. Tomas all the laughter. Underestimate it. Argentina managed to install the conflict in the world public opinion and, today, as, discussed in depth the issue, Argentina gets more and more international support. This is no small thing. Just watch the weight international organizations like the United Nations, MERCOSUR, UNASUR, CELAC. support the Argentine claim. Even its supporters claim, a former British Caribbean colonies.
A great merit of Nestor and Cristina Kirchner and all Argentine and Latin American arms race is not to gamble. They have atomic bomas or want. Argentina's strength is the claim alone. Returning to revive a rusty and outdated submarine is not exactly re-arm, on the contrary, is to return to recreate a popular national industry and provide jobs for our technicians and workers and strengthen our domestic market. Argentina and Latin America is aware that this fight is long term. England is increasingly isolated from the world, Europe no longer supports it and your employer is the United States, little by little by little, and released her hand. Obama and Hilary Clinton to speak of the Malvinas . NO .. Falklands Still resting on our laurels as we continue to work together with Latin America and the world.
141 Domingo (#) Dec 20th, 2011 - 10:16 pm Report abuse
@Raul 134, 138, 140. You are wrong

The UN Treaty is not retroactive and Territorial Integrity and National Integrity as referred to in resolution 1514(XV) & the UN Charter apply only to the rights of Great Britain as the Administrating Country of the Falkland Islands & by virtue of its territorial integrity at the time of founding of the UN; Argentina has no Territorial Integrity nor National Unity rights under UN Treaty or resolutions in respect of its Sovereignty disputes with Great Britain

Great Britain freely acknowledges that Argentina disputes sovereignty over British Territory; Great Britain merely disagrees and has no doubts over its Sovereignty

You excuse Argentine avoidance of bringing its claim to the ICJ by virtue of an imagined response by Great Britain where they apparently would refuse to recognize the authority of the ICJ, even though Great Britain currently does submit to the authority of the ICJ. It seems to me Argentina is avoiding a court which requires strict evidentiary standards requiring the burden of proof, rather than mere Argentine political rhetoric

The ICJ will deal with any claim brought to it; it shall not and cannot cede its authority to any UN committee

The remit of the UN Decolonization Committee is determined by UN GA Resolution 1654(XVI) is to examine the application of the Declaration on the granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples contained in its resolution 1514 (XV), to make suggestions and recommendations on the progress and extent of the implementation of the Declaration, and to report to the General Assembly; that is all. No more, no less.

Thus the purpose of the Decolonization Committee is to report Great Britain's compliance with resolution 1514(XV) and Article 73 with respect to the Falkland Islanders right to self-determination

The fact is Argentina's position is weak, which is why it seeks to circumvent international law & its own Treaty obligations

The ICJ is the proper UN Organ, so use it
142 lsolde (#) Dec 21st, 2011 - 10:00 am Report abuse
They know this, Domingo, that is why they willnot.
Spineless curs.
143 ChrisR (#) Dec 21st, 2011 - 10:27 am Report abuse
139 Limongi
I was not referring to a bunch of losers mouthing off their particular set of lies irrespective of the written history (some of it in Argentino archives) but to the same losers bucking up some 'courage' and attacking the shipping of the Falklands (there are no Malvinas). OR worse, attacking the Falklands as they did in 1982.

However, Domingo 141 above has given you the technical answer as well.
144 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 21st, 2011 - 11:50 am Report abuse
This ilegal aliens should be deported to whatever hole he crawled out from.
145 Teaboy2 (#) Dec 21st, 2011 - 12:09 pm Report abuse
@144 only illegal alien i can see here is some native american who is, no doubt, fraudulently living of the canadian wealthfare state. Hopefully cananda learns from argentina and starts to slaugther such indians as you, as you clearly love argentina even though they slaughtered millions of your own people. Hypocrite and traitor are the best discriptive words for discribing you prat face.

Of course when i say Canada should slaugther such indians i am only referring to indians that have betrayed their own people and openly support the country that slaughter millions of their own people.

Be careful the next time you get on a plane Prat Face as maybe by then Canada will have learnt from argentinas trick of pushing people out of planes at 10,000 feet without a parachute. Though i would gladly pay money to watch them do that to you alone. ;))
146 briton (#) Dec 21st, 2011 - 01:33 pm Report abuse
144 Pirat-Hunter (#)
This ilegal aliens should be deported to whatever hole he crawled out from
[][ this would be argentinians then .]
147 Philippe (#) Dec 21st, 2011 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
Dr. Elsby:
The Islanders who elected you knew full well that you were the right man at the right time. As a medical doctor, you are well equipped for dealing with people with psychopathological fixations, and other mental and cultural disorders. Argentineans keep whining about a fictional territory misnamed “malvinas,” which is a bad translation from the French malouines. On top of that, in 1833 the Argentine Republic did not even exist.
Since there is nothing, really nothing, to “decolonise” in the Falkland Islands, why on earth your FCO friends keep sending Islander Missions to the ridiculous sessions of the UN Decolonisation Committe? In that Committee there is no room for a Porto Rico, a Hawaii, a St-Pierre & Miquelon, etcetera. Then, there should be no space either for the Falkland Islands.
All good wishes from,

148 axel arg (#) Dec 21st, 2011 - 10:21 pm Report abuse
More of the tipical hipocresy of the politicians, as long as d.r elsby and all the rest of that so called legislative assembly from the islands dont have any capacity to realise that if they insist on rejecting to resume the negotiations like the u. n. solicits, it's expectable that we have more problems in the future, you dont have to be so smart to realise of it.
I accept the critics that you make to my country respecting the agreements that it signed with the u. k. in the past, which finally were recalled by argentina, probably my country made big mistakes two, however you never accepted to find asolution for the sovereignty issue which is the main problem that we have. None resolution nor asks the u. k. to transfer the sovereignty fo the islands to argentina, nor affirms that the sovereignty must be resumed only if the islamders wish it, so, dont blame only argentina for the actual scenario, you have also a huge part of the responsability.
149 briton (#) Dec 22nd, 2011 - 01:29 am Report abuse
all your fault .
150 ChrisR (#) Dec 22nd, 2011 - 12:25 pm Report abuse
148 axel arg
“you dont have to be so smart to realise of it.” Well that's a good job then, or you wouldn't be able to reply!

More bollox how it's never the Argies fault, poor little cry babies.
151 Philippe (#) Dec 22nd, 2011 - 09:01 pm Report abuse
Dr. Elsby:
You are so right when you say, “we are in a war of attrition and we need to take the war to the enemy.” As you well know, its perpetrators navigate in an ocean of fabricated lies. Thank God, truth, right, and military power is on the British side.
Some interesting examples: In 1940 after the fall of France, some military experts predicted, “in three weeks, Britain's neck would be wrung like a chicken!” Churchill replied then: “some neck, some chicken!” In more recent times, after Argentina's brutal invasion of the Falklands, Admiral Anaya (I call him “Canaya”) said that ”a decadent Britain would not respond to the invasion, especially since she was ruled by a woman! Yes, some woman!
It seems that in the South Atlantic, sooner than later the British Lion will be forced to show his teeth and roar in order to just scare the enemy to death!

152 lsolde (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 08:42 am Report abuse
NO NEGOTIATIONS, Axel. Cannot make it any clearer than that.
And briton is right, it is ALL your fault.
153 axel arg (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 12:05 pm Report abuse
It's lammentable that you, and briton are as miopic as d.r elsby, and all the rest of the legislative assembly. If you want to make a politic analysis, you have to see the whole problematic, i recognize the mistakes of my country, however you dont have any capacity unfortunatelly, in order to realise that your side is not acting correctly neather.
154 briton (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 01:38 pm Report abuse
rubish, just an exuse because you lost the war, now you want to talk about ethics,
argentina fault full stop.
you cannot be alowed to get by talking, that you failed to get by violence .
155 Cockhookand look (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
i say “ get CFK in a boxing ring with Dr Elsby and let them slug it out” got to be more entertaining than a war.

“either put up or shut up”
156 ChrisR (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 09:30 pm Report abuse
155 Cockhookand look

I would pay good money to see that match.

Only trouble is once Dr. Elsby gave Old Turkey Neck a slap around the face it would all be over- her face all over the floor of the ring!

All together now: ha, ha, ha, (is this how the Argies do it?)
157 lsolde (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 10:55 pm Report abuse
The good Dr's fist would bounce off all that plastic.
158 axel arg (#) Dec 25th, 2011 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
Everytime you post your partial analysis, you confirm once and again how miopic you are, firstly, the war of 1982 was made by a dictatorship, ¿do you what a dictatorship is?, beside if you have no capacity to realise that your side is not acting correctlty neather, it's really lamentable, because you'll keep on buying the partial analysis from the politicians.
159 Philippe (#) Dec 25th, 2011 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
Dr. Elsby:
Concerning this dirty war of attrition waged by Argentina:
According to Article 4 of the UN Charter, one of the preconditions a State must fulfill before joining the UN is to be “peace loving.” Argentina after its naked aggression against the Falklands in 1982, ceased to be “peace loving.” The UN then had excellent reasons for expelling the invaders from the Falklands (UNSCR 502.)
As for Article 4 of the UN Charter, it could probably be easily proven that the “war of attrition” is waged in violation of Article 4-- for the anti-Falklands campaign is a clear peace violation!
Please consider that FCO has some of the world's best diplomats. So the UK, as a UNSC permanent member, has the diplomatic capability to give Argentina a KO blow at anytime!


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