Falklands’ flagged vessels conflict: Almagro and Hague agree they remain in disagreement
Uruguayan Foreign Affairs minister Luis Almagro spoke Friday on the phone with Foreign secretary William Hague for the first time since the Falklands/Malvinas’ flagged vessels controversy, but both sides apparently could only agree that the situation remains stalled according to brief statements
In a brief declaration Almagro said that Uruguay was acting in consequence to its historic position (in support of Argentina’s claims) regarding the Islas Malvinas adding that “admitting the Falklands/Malvinas flag would be to admit British jurisdiction and sovereignty”.
He added “we have no problem with vessels of other flags covering the Montevideo-Malvinas route”. Dialogue was ‘frank’ because “our personal relation with Mr. Hague is very good”.
Likewise the Ministry said there would be nor formal statement, “for the moment” since following the phone contact at mid day Montevideo time, “the situation has not changed at all; it was another instance in the diplomatic steps that must be taken”.
The British Embassy in Montevideo in a brief communiqué said that the discussion was “cordial and constructive” (civilized in diplomatic terms) and “we are hopeful of a satisfactory solution”.
The announcement last week by President Jose Mujica that Uruguay had decided to bar Falklands’ flagged vessels from Uruguayan ports in support of Argentina’s claim over the Islands, and his sponsoring of a similar Mercosur summit declaration, caused “concern and disappointment” in the Foreign Office.
Friday a week ago the Uruguayan ambassador in London Nestor Moreira was summoned to the Foreign Office to explain the decision, and this Wednesday Minister Almagro received UK Ambassador Patrick Mullee in Montevideo.
At the time there was no official information on the Montevideo meeting besides the fact that the two diplomats had effectively met in a cordial atmosphere. And regarding Moreira, sources in Uruguay said as happens in these cases “he took notes of what was said”.
Friday’s British embassy was slightly more explicit saying that Almagro and Hague talked about “the path to follow” and Foreign Secretary Hague insisted “that the vessels with British flag must continue to have access to the ports of Uruguay”.
In other words London considers the Falklands’ flag a UK validated flag (or subsidiary) and therefore must be respected according to International Law.
The Uruguayan Foreign Affairs ministry is also trying to draft a protocol for the Coast Guard to proceed when Falklands/Malvinas flagged vessels request to enter Uruguayan ports. “The issue is not simple since the vessels have a UK certificate which was awarded by the Falklands/Malvinas governor, who is a Foreign Office official named by London”.
Furthermore a report from the legal department from the Uruguayan Coast Guard states that there is no maritime law impeding Falklands/Malvinas flagged vessels from operating in Uruguayan ports.
The Uruguayan Coast Guard considers such vessels, with the Falklands/Malvinas flag, have a subsidiary authorization from the UK and any action involving them must be reported to the British embassy in Montevideo.
The Mercosur summit Tuesday statement talks about the commitment timely adopted “in conformity with International Law and the respective home legislations”, to implement all measures susceptible of being regulated to impede the access to the region’s ports of vessels flying the ‘illegal flag of the Islas Malvinas”.
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And according to Argentina isn't the flag of the Malvinas the Argentine national flag, thus shouldn't all Merscour countries ban all ships flying the Argentine national flag?
2 Rhaurie-Craughwell
Try to red this, mate!! and relax!! This is the link..www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2077813/Falkland-Islands-Prince-Harry-captured-600-soldiers-killed--imagined-Dominic-Sandbrook.html
Sarkozy.
'The Malvinas — for so we should call them — properly belong to Argentina. It is mere arrogance for mon cher David to think otherwise.'
As the temperature mounted, so the European pressure grew
en.mercopress.com/2011/12/20/rajoy-announces-to-spain-deep-spending-cuts-and-tax-breaks-for-companies
you may make good cakes, but you will be getting very fat when it comes time to eat your words
Kipling.......have you got a blood clot stuck in your brain, I have just passed your smattering of rhunes through 8 translation software programmes and crashed everyone of them.....
Lost in Translation Kipling!!!!
I will assume that you wrote made-up GARBAGE as usual!!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
Kiwiarse, I take it you didn't read the above :) Argentina has 0 chance militarily to take the islands, which is Ironic, because it is the ONLY chance you have of gaining sovereignty, even your military is focusing more on supplying the civilian Antarctic mission than any form of sovereignty muscling on the Falklands hahah loser. The current Argentine plan is whine until something happens, and you know what?......We will just keep saying NO!
How many of your worthless pesos is that worth?
And still Uruguay ports remain open to FI flagged vessels as Uruguay doesn't want to break international law :-)
“If you let one liberty slide, soon others will follow” it's up to you islanders, sometimes being a peaceful person is not the right way, sometimes you must be aggressive.
Wonder how long that will take ?
Good to see that Uruguay is a proper little democracy, unlike its neighbours.
And your history is as bad.
Might I suggest you look into Spanish history, you might learn something abt genocide
So take your bike and skedaddle .
Next question, is how will Cristina do in Chile ?
(1) Participation in a common conspiracy for the accomplishement of crime against peace.
(2) Planning and waging war against peace.
(3) Crimes against humanity.
That placed on her desk would put her in the looney bin!
All impartial people now this to be true.
They know it now.
Which is why the Falkand Islands are still British.
Argentina wil not be allowed to steal the Falkland Islands.
What your Government gives you are lies.
The history is there for all to see. All you have to do is a little research on the internet. 90% of this - falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/falklands-history.pdf
is available on the internet.
Argentina has been lying to its children since the 1930's. Indoctrination. A version of history that stands little scrutiny.
The truth will find its way to the surface.
Do your own research JF - but you will not like the results.
Your country has NEVER owned these lslands no matter what you say or feel.
Also l fail to see how you & your compatriots think that you will get our lslands when:-
1) Your country will not go to the ICJ,
2) Your countrymen post quite often that they will not use military force(l do not believe that one, you will try again).
You may as well get used to the fact that we will not hand OUR lslands over to you, so exactly WHAT are you going to do about it?
Your blockade only stiffens our resolve. Merry Christmas to all.
@20johnfarrel,
lt is the truth, you have been taught lies.
By the way I'm not English....I'm Scottish....Now what name are you? Are you Think or More crap?
You post does not make too much sense, but no matter.
l asked you how you intend to get your thieving hands on our country & you have not told me.
The reason is because you don't know how.
You have just 3 options, that are:-
1) Make Argentina so attractive that we would WANT to join you(how are you going to do that? we have no slums for a start).
2)Court, go to the ICJ.(you won't, porque?)
3)War, invade & defeat our forces(you can't)
There is no other way,
You decide & let me know.
Implying UK has no slums, last i checked everyone was rioting and wrecking everything in the poorest part of UK.
Also, enjoy being invaded by terrorist muslims.
You are almost correct on “Also, enjoy being invaded by terrorist muslims”, but these are in fact British born offspring of Paki's, mainly who have been brain-washed by the local Mosque, certainly in Luton. Their parents, who support Britain being grateful for what they have managed to achieve in theri life here, are always aghast at what has happened to their children.
Our stupid laws, designed to be 'fair to all the rats' are a real hinderance to these locally grown terrorists. We don't even stop the bastards from returning to the country when we know they have been in Pakistan at the terror training camps.
We should shoot the bastards out of hand.
If we had done that in the past, NONE of the London bombings would have happened.
The other point I want to write is will of the Falklands/Malvina peoples, according to my Aussie friend being a member of the Commonwealth you can work and travel friendly. In contrast if the Argentinians control the Inlands what can you expect from the BS As government other than taxes. Since in Latin American countries,main government is centralized in the main city it will be a big drag for the Falklands/Malvina peoples.
why all these soldiers insist on to living in fantasy world ??
of course that the English are not stupid to refuse some economic opportunities in Latin America....!!
Commonwealth countries !!
i know some jobs on construction at Tanzania/Uganda/India
do islanders want to go/work as workers.....!!
You may well be the greatest self imposed expert in the world,
But sadly not with the truth, ?
Kiplin, you are perhaps another troll, impersonating another person,
We are not fooled, and the CIA are watching you, and your cakes.
[johnfarrel2050]
We much be weary of this indocrinaught,
No disrespect intended, to hell, ,, he may well be a Korean indoctrinated argie student,
Just out of brainwashing school, his brain is confused with deluded thought of granular,
If you pass this human, please do not feed,
Thank you,
.
don't worry from Secret Services ...they are ordinary brained.....!!
Very interesting,
But I think you missed a bit,
36 geo
We thought you were a member of the secret service,
Im with the Woolwich my self .lol.
.
you think i was secret service member !
you don't think i am secret service member !
well..the reply is better than i expect......!!
or course
british always reply first class
jack of all trades, master of none .
l am not in the UK & was talking about the Falklands.
@37 john farrel,
Please post in English if you have anything constructive to say.
This is an English speaking forum. Thank you.
@39 geo,
l thought that you were in the secret service also! :)
@Kipling,
Well? l am waiting for your answer Kipling. 1,2 or 3?
Please enlighten me.
“for u information a good relationship with CIA, but not with MI5”
MI5 are the internal (to the UK) Secret Service. The International Secret Service is MI6. Please try and keep up with the fiction in your head.
guess ..which secret service ...?!
So you could use Boca Junior Flag whit a Tevez face or even KUN Aguero-
Hes was talking to dedicate next goooool to argentine cause ;)
It will be for you malvinenses!
Saludos
Regards-
The 1825 Treaty between Argentina and Britain was one of commerce and did not recognise Argentina's boundaries, which were not stated. Argentina did not possess the falklands in 1825 so that is irrelevant also.
No inheritance.
No possession.
No authority.
= No Falklands.
Historical fact!
just one place that the united kingdom has stolen or sciddadle .
Gibraltar = Not stolen. You want to start a war, be prepared to have to give up something when you lose.
Antarctic Territory = NOT stolen. Uninhabited. Discovered and legally claimed.
South Georgia/South Sandwich = NOT stolen. Unhinhabited. Discovered and legally claimed.
Pitcairn =NOT stolen. Refuge of mutineers. Discovered and legally claimed.
These I know about. Whereas you know nothing but your Government's propaganda.
We have all the strong arguments... which is why these territories have opted to remain British.
Your lack of knowledge belittles you.
l couldn't be bothered to refute all your examples of so-called stolen land, so just a couple will do.
One of your examples was South Georgia & the South Sandwich lslands.
1)Britain explored & claimed these islands before anyone else.
2)There were no people on these islands.
Who were they stolen from? Argentina has NEVER owned these islands.
What about Bermuda? same story, uninhabited when the UK claimed the island. Who did we “steal” it from?
As for the Falklands(glad you used the correct name & not that stupid malv rubbish!), Argentina has NEVER owned them & never will. We do.
Kipling,
l am still waiting for an answer for post # 41.
(lf you can!).
Merry Christmas you losers!
you /we write these comments vainly..
BECOUSE
we have no any adressed persons here ,all are slogan kids...
( wait /see same replicated attacks coming here...)
if you like to make gossip ,then it's your problem..
we should understand that Brits' s interests are on Latin American
opportunities not worthless Islas Malvinas.....!!
Argentina did not manage it.
Jewett is a myth. Stayed a short while and left. Imposed no authority and left nothing behind. A waste of a good story.
Vernet achieved nothing in 1823, but did better in 1826. In 1828 he got British permission. But then he got cocky and thought he could give BA sovereign rights. The Yanks kicked that into touch and before BA could get a further chance the British showed up.
Argentina has nothing.
No claim historically.
Legally, everything changed in 1945. The BRITISH residents of the Falklands gained ther ight to self-determination AGAINST the British. Nothing to do with Argentina.
Britain has recognised the legal right that the UN Charter enshrined. We will allow them that right, we will even protect that right.
Still nothing to do with Argentina !
So butt out !
wait / see ...the other memorized posts are coming up here....!!
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However Britain's Claim to all the Islands is simply a better one.
That is why all further arbitration has been stalled by Argentina because the government knows that it would lose.
That is why the Argentine government uses the tactic of indoctrination.
That is why the Argentine government uses the tactic of being hostile to the Falklands.
My believe is they hope to ware the UK government down and the Falkland Islanders to such a degree that they will hand them over to Argentina.
This is wrong and should not be tolerated.
In favor of Argentina or U.K.
To reach the Court of Justice must be engage in dialogue.
It is so difficult?
@ 62, 66 How is it possible that Argentina does not have rights to what was done by Jewett and Vernet?
How is it possible that the UK has rights when the British established 2 years later than the French?.
How is it possible that the UK has rights when the islands were ruled by the Spanish from 1767 to 1811 without protest British?
How is it possible that the UK has rights when Argentine settlers were expelled from Puerto Soledad, a site in which the British had never been?
An injustice of the past affects us today.
Certainly Red, I like your old name ;-))
We have seen indoctrination before, but you are of the extreme kind,
We think you are a North Korean robot and are programmed to tell only what you are programmed to say; your blogg states this every time,
…………………………
Allow me,
The United Kingdom has never stolen anything.
Argentina on the other hand, stole the Falklands for a couple of weeks,
Before the law and justice caught up with them,
And humiliatingly made them give the stolen land back.
[Once a thief, always a thief]
[Once brain washed, always brain washed.]
Vamoose .
.
Hong Kong Island was not subject to the 99 year lease from China - only the Territories were.
But of course China changed a little in 99 years didn't it Briton? - in the same way as Argentina and South America is changing and within the next 15 years South America will be able to bitch slap you like the Chinese did.
Oh yes and if you think your hero Barry Elsby will be able to face down Presidenta Kirchner you will be greatly disappointed because as soon as the good times come to an end in the Malvinas and Elsby cannot fly back to his Palace in Britain every 6 months and isn't making $200,000 a year because of cutbacks in the Malvinas economy - he will be on a plane so fast he will scare the birds lol.
What an utter load of bollox. Have you ever bothered reading the comments of the people who were in HK with the British?
The answer is no or you are lying because a lot of them still have a picture of the Queen on their living room walls and many state they were better of then than now.
Get it right or get gone, you bore me with this childish nonsense.
First of, we are referring to the UK stealing land, [they did not]
Argentina invaded and thus stole that land for a while,[they did]
This has nothing to do with china,
You cant keep changing the story to alter the facts ,about the truth,
Barry is not my hero,
I have no hero’s
President Kirchner, is in fact, obsessed and deluded with the Falklands, even to the point of destroying her own country, and the people that she lies to,,
[China] did not slap the UK, but the British, DID slap Argentina,
And in 15 years time, [well]
If you can predict this far ahead, the lottery numbers would be gratefully excepted,
The truth always hurt those who know least not, ??
You obviously do not even know your own history .
You actually invaded China and not being happy with a simple invasion you then tried to force the entire population of China into Heroin addicts by quite simply overthrowing the legitimate sovereign and flooding China with Opium from your other colonies, yes - including Afghanistan which you invaded three times in the 19th century - the first invasion resulting in the loss of your entire army (Times don't change much do they lol)
Yes - in addition you being the world's biggest coloniser and slave dealer you British were also at one time the world's biggest traffickers in Heroin.
And now look at you. Sitting here yapping like angry little dogs pretending you can still slap around the 'smelly litte greasers', deluding yourselves that you still have any relevance.
And if Elsby turns out to be as effective a diplomat as he was a Doctor then I suggest you order a coffin.
#67 - Vernet and Jewett did not do enough.
The French did not dispute British rights or challenge their claim to West Falkland.
The Spanish had a good argument - you are not Spain. No inheritance.
The settlers were not expelled in 1833, and those that were there had been given British permission in 1828.
The Spanish had a better claim to Soledad than Britain. In 1833 they did not complain even though they did not give up their rights until 1836. They even recognised British sovereignty in 1863. Argentina is not Spain.
Two names on too many forums - easier to consolidate. Particularly with the new pdf file coming out in a number of formats in January.
The truth is getting out :-)
Malvinas son Argentinas!
What i mean is that the Argentina could have piggy backed the spanish claim. Had The British not had any interest in their claim then they probably would have been successful.
I actually believe that the Spanish claim was not very good to begin with.
Possible the “correct” outcome should have been half French and half British.
Shame your own Press agrees with them -
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/22/britain-asleep-over-falkland-islands
You want to check up on that support - how many merely say that they would like the 2 countries to negotiate? If you think that that constitutes 'support' then you are daft.
Argentina stole Patagonia from it's inhabitants, which makes you just as bad as us.
I see Gott has been up to his usual left-wing cr*p in the Guardian again !
Telam will always give him a job :-)
falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2011/12/26/gott-the-guardian-and-unrepresentative-opinions/
It apears the Britain just lost its position as world's sixth largest economy to Brazil.
Yes Lord Tom for the first time in your history a 'third world' South American nation has a larger economy that you.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078596/Brazil-overtakes-UK-sixth-biggest-economy-Britain-falls-South-American-nation-time.html
Thank you China!
“China urged the United Kingdom to discuss the Argentine claim to sovereignty of Malvinas”
www.clarin.com/politica/China-Reino-Unido-soberania-Malvinas_0_615538475.html
No change - no use!
Dross- The ups and downs - so tell me - where is Argentina ?
The change is there- so tell me-where are your glasses?
The status quo remains MoreCrap!
all you do is change the subject, all the time,
you cant talk to an indocrinought, its a wast of time .
Or are you short of many true democracies actually backing you up?
Even the colony newspaper can't keep up with the bad news the last few days.
Saturday, 24 December 2011
“USA again backs Argentina”
“Fox News reports that inn a move one British conservative analyst called ”hugely insulting to Britain,“ the Organization of American States earlier this week adopted a declaration calling for negotiations between the United Kingdom and Argentina over the ”sovereignty“ of the Falkland Islands. While the U.S. delegation did not speak in support of the measure, it ultimately joined a consensus adopting it”
www.penguin-news.com/index.php?option=com_flexicontent&view=items&cid=30:politics&id=203:usa-again-backs-argentina&Itemid=20
You should check your facts MoreCrap :-)
'smelly litte greasers' what a great term you have given me to describe your sort of indoctrinated, mindless idot of an Argentino. Thank you very much. I can see me using it often.
Your post is so far back into history it could be considered antique, like your presiden Old Rubber Neck.
To save effort I'll repeat what I said last time for you: Get it right or get gone, you bore me with this childish nonsense.
@92 And we would care what Buttrack Oubliette says.....why?
@94 Time to sink all South American ships going within 100 miles of Argentina.
@73 Perhaps you'd like to investigate the size of the Spanish slave trade. Or Spain's great claim to fame, initiation of the first concentration camps, in Cuba.
Not that it makes an ounce of difference who supports Argentina. The Islanders' are supported by Britain - and that's enough :-)
No chance, and no hopers !
There's that strategy of yours coming up again. We'll sit here on out arses doing absolutely nothing except telling people that the islands are Argentinian and eventually it will happen. Somehow, I don't think that it's going to work. Islands will eventally be Argentinian
Heh lads (that's the Brits for any Argies) I think Ogaga is posting under so_far.
Just look at the the last sentance this pratt has written ”thats(sic) all old chap”.
Ogaga, his mixed grammar and pseudo 'Toff' pretend irishman to a 'T'.
#106:
There's that strategy of yours coming up again. We'll sit here on out arses doing absolutely nothing except telling people that the islands are Argentinian and eventually it will happen. Somehow, I don't think that it's going to work.
I'm confused ... who of you has ban ?
www.disinfo.com/2011/02/uk-court-bans-man-with-low-iq-from-having-sex/
It was me! Both men and women just couldn't resist me, so I got banned to give everyone else in the world a chance.
I find that having an IQ of 48 helps me tremendously on this site - if it was any higher, my posts would probbaly be too complicated for some of the Argie bloggers to understand what I was saying.
but for LatAm people is fun.....keep going Mercopre$$
nothing Argentina can do :)
That was very quick & witty Crackpot, but l think that it has gone so_far over his head that he wouldn't get it.
MORE: www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/14/falklands-economic-crisis-politics-argentina
more than 3 billions of habitants in the world in favour of this position.
[can you name these people .
.
Besides Reading up on the history of the islands I think all the Argentinians miss a vital bit of information.
When the British colony was withdrawn, in 1774, we did leave behind a plaque stating that we still considered the Falklands to be ours. I mean this is a bit of a giveaway is'nt it.
So when the RN showed up in 1833 to reassert our claim, the Argentine/United Provinces colonists should'nt have been overlly surprised should they? I mean they had told us they were going to settle there.
It's a bit like asking if you can set up a house in a farmers field, then being surprised when the farmer asks you to pay for the utilities to be connected, or to pay him rent. Or claiming squatters rights in someones house when they've gone away for a while.
Based on the sort of criteria the Argetinians have (we were there once) , we could claim Normandy (after all one of our kings came from there), Italy could claim us (we were part of the Roman empire) we could claim the rebel colonies now calling themselves the USA, unless of course they get us to join them as an extra state...........
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