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Falklands’ flagged vessels conflict: Almagro and Hague agree they remain in disagreement
Uruguayan Foreign Affairs minister Luis Almagro spoke Friday on the phone with Foreign secretary William Hague for the first time since the Falklands/Malvinas’ flagged vessels controversy, but both sides apparently could only agree that the situation remains stalled according to brief statements Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThere isn't a legal flag of Malvinas because Malvinas don't exist.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Xbox has hit the nail on the head, it seems counter-productive that the Argentine Empire is banning its own territory from docking in its own ports :)
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And according to Argentina isn't the flag of the Malvinas the Argentine national flag, thus shouldn't all Merscour countries ban all ships flying the Argentine national flag?
'Our British friends need to learn that their days of glory are over,' said Mr
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 02 Rhaurie-Craughwell
Try to red this, mate!! and relax!! This is the link..http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2077813/Falkland-Islands-Prince-Harry-captured-600-soldiers-killed--imagined-Dominic-Sandbrook.html
Sarkozy.
'The Malvinas — for so we should call them — properly belong to Argentina. It is mere arrogance for mon cher David to think otherwise.'
As the temperature mounted, so the European pressure grew
Ocuppas, looking for a job in Nothern Ireland....u could follow the U2 SHOWS there. Wait in 2016. Nobody will be in Malvinas .....Rockhopper is going to bankrupt. And fishing ...Argentina wants to prohibite the Galician people buy Fuckland licence. The Galician people has a strong history helped by Argentina. And China? ... is going to buy BP. Come on the last call for The Queen Station in St Helens.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here there are also a problem of flags.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2011/12/20/rajoy-announces-to-spain-deep-spending-cuts-and-tax-breaks-for-companies
Kipling
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you may make good cakes, but you will be getting very fat when it comes time to eat your words
I did indeed “red” it my dear fellow (surely you mean read?) and smiled enlightened in the spot light of irony that the fantasy writings of a right wing daily mail writer are the closest Argentina will ever come to gaining sovereignty over the islands :) Ah bliss....Now back in reality doers Argentina have a chance in hell of getting them.......Nope.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kipling.......have you got a blood clot stuck in your brain, I have just passed your smattering of rhunes through 8 translation software programmes and crashed everyone of them.....
@4
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lost in Translation Kipling!!!!
I will assume that you wrote made-up GARBAGE as usual!!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
If and I do mean if not when the argis ever got the Falklands, both Chile and Uruguay would be looking to see who the argis were coming for next, for as we all know Chile was on the cards before the Falklands were, but old GaltyFairy in his infantile wisdom decide the Falklands would be easier to take, but he forgot to figure-out that holding on to them would be a lot harder, but in the spirit of Christmas may all that the argis wish on others come back to them 10 fold.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2077493/It-simply-inconceivable-Argentina-Falklands.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kiwiarse, I take it you didn't read the above :) Argentina has 0 chance militarily to take the islands, which is Ironic, because it is the ONLY chance you have of gaining sovereignty, even your military is focusing more on supplying the civilian Antarctic mission than any form of sovereignty muscling on the Falklands hahah loser. The current Argentine plan is whine until something happens, and you know what?......We will just keep saying NO!
Escusse me for my bad english, know 6 languages and, some moments confuse the languages. As argentine and as a part of the welsh immigration in Argentina, I don´t expend the litte bit english that I know. When I was in India, I discovered the exactly part of the history of UK that killed many, many, many people ... was a terrible genocide .. and more.... You, as a part of hooliganism culture, I recommend you to know both sides of the english culture. And, for your health brain, to have more self critical. You, as a part of few persons in dispute sovereign risk land, believe that the opportunities in Fuckland will be the best and gonna be a rich just to justify the travel for South America. Come On!!!Let´s go!!
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kipling - RKH going bankrupt? You clearly haven't read today's interim financial results. RKH have $188m in the bank and are months away from booking a massive asset. £££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££ :-)
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many of your worthless pesos is that worth?
And still Uruguay ports remain open to FI flagged vessels as Uruguay doesn't want to break international law :-)
@ 3 shut up wikilegs, one thing is to be a troll and make people get angry, and a different thing is telling lies and believe them! Malvinas is just a mythological place. I said last year that if the islanders want to be alive in years to come, they don't allow Argentines in the islands, if you allow an Argentine in the islands it would be like if you let the ants enter your garden, they will destroy your flowers.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0“If you let one liberty slide, soon others will follow” it's up to you islanders, sometimes being a peaceful person is not the right way, sometimes you must be aggressive.
So, until the protocol is in place, and until the legislation is passed, vessels flying the Falklands Flag are not banned.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wonder how long that will take ?
Good to see that Uruguay is a proper little democracy, unlike its neighbours.
11 Kipling you and your motor bike are a laughing stock
Dec 24th, 2011 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0And your history is as bad.
Might I suggest you look into Spanish history, you might learn something abt genocide
So take your bike and skedaddle .
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2011/12/24/falklands-blockade/
Dec 24th, 2011 - 01:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Next question, is how will Cristina do in Chile ?
Perhaps the Islanders should issue a world wide arrest warrant for the Botox Queen?
Dec 24th, 2011 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0(1) Participation in a common conspiracy for the accomplishement of crime against peace.
(2) Planning and waging war against peace.
(3) Crimes against humanity.
That placed on her desk would put her in the looney bin!
The Falkland Island is one of the the lot of territories stolen by UK. All the people know that this country (UK) has a long list of territories stolen. Most of them for different reasons some day were returned. However UK didn´t returned the Falkland Islands yet. Because it is possible that some oil can be extracted there. All impartial people know that UK doesn´t have valid arguments to steal this territories. The arguments of UK are too weak to be believed. You need to know that there are a lot of people in several countries and continents that has realized of that since a long time ago.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkand Islands were never stolen. We were the original owners.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0All impartial people now this to be true.
They know it now.
Which is why the Falkand Islands are still British.
Argentina wil not be allowed to steal the Falkland Islands.
What you say is the UK version of the story but not the truth. There are a lot of people in several countries that know that the UK arguments are wrong. You need to know that the governments of a lot of countries of different continents are agreed with the Argentinian position and it is documented. Some others countries support the UK position due to economical interests. It´s clear that UK has more military and economical power than Argentina, but it is not enough to have valid arguments.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0What I give you IS the truth.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0What your Government gives you are lies.
The history is there for all to see. All you have to do is a little research on the internet. 90% of this - http://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/falklands-history.pdf
is available on the internet.
Argentina has been lying to its children since the 1930's. Indoctrination. A version of history that stands little scrutiny.
The truth will find its way to the surface.
Do your own research JF - but you will not like the results.
johnfarrel, most people rightly do not agree with Argentina because there are no Argentines to save from oppression. Argentine nationalism is crude and outdated. Why do you want the islands? Lebensraum? They are hundreds of miles from your shore (of your huge land mass) and no Argentinians to save there. Even Hitler used the fig leaf of saving ethnic Germans when he marched into Poland, Austria etc. In fact Germany have a better historic claim on parts of France and Poland than Argentina vis-a-vis the Falklands.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kipling, l don't care about your level of English, but l do care about you believing Argentina's lies.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your country has NEVER owned these lslands no matter what you say or feel.
Also l fail to see how you & your compatriots think that you will get our lslands when:-
1) Your country will not go to the ICJ,
2) Your countrymen post quite often that they will not use military force(l do not believe that one, you will try again).
You may as well get used to the fact that we will not hand OUR lslands over to you, so exactly WHAT are you going to do about it?
Your blockade only stiffens our resolve. Merry Christmas to all.
@20johnfarrel,
lt is the truth, you have been taught lies.
Isolde, first at all, you are in a part the territory outside the “souvereign territorial UN understanding” . Plateau near of Argentina, etc. You don´t have any right. Futhermore, UK has the manner of earn resources of many coutries, Greek, Spain, Honduras, India, PAKISTAN, MAORI, etc. IT is not the Argentina education. Another thing that i didn´t say you that I study Posgraduation in New Zealand and learnt many terrible history of UK again. I know36 couitries. Now UK has a stupid diplomatic strategy, not only for Argentina, for Spain, Honduras, USA, what else?. You could look for the Falklands be a Self determination territory, but it is just a hope. Pherhaps, you believe that Argentina doesn´t remmber this Idea, but Chile has another problem with UK. Chile has, for geological determination AND aproximation, composition in Antartic Territory. However, due to the UK (Falkland) determined that Antartica is part o UK territory on Chile A.T. You don´t have any way!!!!
Dec 24th, 2011 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 011 Funny Kipling, for someone who says their English isn't very good, you seem to have flawless use of punctuation.....are you yet another sock puppet account?
Dec 24th, 2011 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way I'm not English....I'm Scottish....Now what name are you? Are you Think or More crap?
Kipling,
Dec 24th, 2011 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You post does not make too much sense, but no matter.
l asked you how you intend to get your thieving hands on our country & you have not told me.
The reason is because you don't know how.
You have just 3 options, that are:-
1) Make Argentina so attractive that we would WANT to join you(how are you going to do that? we have no slums for a start).
2)Court, go to the ICJ.(you won't, porque?)
3)War, invade & defeat our forces(you can't)
There is no other way,
You decide & let me know.
@26
Dec 24th, 2011 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Implying UK has no slums, last i checked everyone was rioting and wrecking everything in the poorest part of UK.
Also, enjoy being invaded by terrorist muslims.
27 Sir Rodderick Bodkin
Dec 24th, 2011 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are almost correct on “Also, enjoy being invaded by terrorist muslims”, but these are in fact British born offspring of Paki's, mainly who have been brain-washed by the local Mosque, certainly in Luton. Their parents, who support Britain being grateful for what they have managed to achieve in theri life here, are always aghast at what has happened to their children.
Our stupid laws, designed to be 'fair to all the rats' are a real hinderance to these locally grown terrorists. We don't even stop the bastards from returning to the country when we know they have been in Pakistan at the terror training camps.
We should shoot the bastards out of hand.
If we had done that in the past, NONE of the London bombings would have happened.
be careful, in UK, you have MANY (in many years, just: ) Pakistanies doctors be careful....25 I have family in Scotland with many economic problems that now in getting worst. I recommend you to think in NZ because you have probably more quality of life there than a future FI. 60% of Argentinians have european passports. For these reason, you could think in another kind argument when you tal about us.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you know there is a agreement to layout a big Gas Pipe from Bolivia to Uruguay? Uruguay does not have natural gas either oil, however since Bolivia agree to open negotiations for a Gas Pipe the only country who opposite this agreement to become reality is Argentina. Just take a look in the map of Latin America and Europe might understands the pressure for the little country of Uruguay.The last slap in the face from the Argentinians government is check points along the border with Uruguay with dogs sniffing in our luggage coming from Argentinians, not even in Israel-Palestine or the border with USA-Mexico you will find this kind of treatment.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The other point I want to write is will of the Falklands/Malvina peoples, according to my Aussie friend being a member of the Commonwealth you can work and travel friendly. In contrast if the Argentinians control the Inlands what can you expect from the BS As government other than taxes. Since in Latin American countries,main government is centralized in the main city it will be a big drag for the Falklands/Malvina peoples.
** 30 Colonel
Dec 24th, 2011 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why all these soldiers insist on to living in fantasy world ??
of course that the English are not stupid to refuse some economic opportunities in Latin America....!!
Commonwealth countries !!
i know some jobs on construction at Tanzania/Uganda/India
do islanders want to go/work as workers.....!!
29 Kipling Yes, and what I said is further strengthened by the fact a Paki Doctor, born here, trained here, was involved with the supply of explosives for the attack on Edinburgh Airport. What did your 'family in Scotland' say about that?
Dec 24th, 2011 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 011 Kipling---- So Kipling cakes your ancestors were Welsh sheep shaggers ? that explains quite a bit of your rants. In your time in Argentina did you learn what you bunch psychopaths did to the people that lived in Argentina before you lot of sheep shaggers and other European thieves and murderers that no one wanted in Europe came down to South America. Best not go there my little sheep shagger. At least we left India in good shape and gave it back to the people of India, pity to say you bunch of psychopaths can’t do the same as the vast majority of the people that lived there before you lot came down are dead, as I said best not go down that road hey sheep shagger.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 031 geo
Dec 24th, 2011 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You may well be the greatest self imposed expert in the world,
But sadly not with the truth, ?
Kiplin, you are perhaps another troll, impersonating another person,
We are not fooled, and the CIA are watching you, and your cakes.
[johnfarrel2050]
We much be weary of this indocrinaught,
No disrespect intended, to hell, ,, he may well be a Korean indoctrinated argie student,
Just out of brainwashing school, his brain is confused with deluded thought of granular,
If you pass this human, please do not feed,
Thank you,
.
for u information a good relationship with CIA, but not with MI5
Dec 24th, 2011 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0** 35 Kipling
Dec 24th, 2011 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0don't worry from Secret Services ...they are ordinary brained.....!!
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Dec 24th, 2011 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 037 johnfarrel2050
Dec 24th, 2011 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very interesting,
But I think you missed a bit,
36 geo
We thought you were a member of the secret service,
Im with the Woolwich my self .lol.
.
** 38 brit
Dec 24th, 2011 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you think i was secret service member !
you don't think i am secret service member !
well..the reply is better than i expect......!!
the reply is better than i expect
Dec 24th, 2011 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0or course
british always reply first class
jack of all trades, master of none .
@27 Sir Roderick,
Dec 24th, 2011 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l am not in the UK & was talking about the Falklands.
@37 john farrel,
Please post in English if you have anything constructive to say.
This is an English speaking forum. Thank you.
@39 geo,
l thought that you were in the secret service also! :)
@Kipling,
Well? l am waiting for your answer Kipling. 1,2 or 3?
Please enlighten me.
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Dec 24th, 2011 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 035 Kipling
Dec 24th, 2011 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“for u information a good relationship with CIA, but not with MI5”
MI5 are the internal (to the UK) Secret Service. The International Secret Service is MI6. Please try and keep up with the fiction in your head.
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Dec 24th, 2011 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0** 41 isol
Dec 24th, 2011 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0guess ..which secret service ...?!
Falkland Island Flag is ilegal because is not recognized for Uruguay, Brasil, etc-
Dec 24th, 2011 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you could use Boca Junior Flag whit a Tevez face or even KUN Aguero-
Hes was talking to dedicate next goooool to argentine cause ;)
It will be for you malvinenses!
Saludos
Regards-
I hope you Argies have all written to Santa and asked for the Malvinas for Christmas. It's about your only chance of getting your dirty paws on the islands. Merry Christmas you losers. I'll be thinking of you when I watch the RAF Typhoons do their usual air display over the harbour in Stanley tomorrow. It's always a highlight of mine at Christmas time. xxx
Dec 24th, 2011 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 035 Kipling--- I am watching you sheep shagger an Argentine from kiwi land. Kiwisarg in disguise
Dec 24th, 2011 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sooner or later the Mavinas Islands will return to Argentina, because the truth will prevail. UK has stolen a lot of territories. There is a very long list of territories stolen by UK. The time of pirates has finished long time ago. UK didn´t realize of that.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Make sure you tell Santa that John Farrell. Maybe you'll see the RAF Typhoons one day soon also. Merry Christmas. We're getting ready to take the kids out to see the lights because it's almost dark so I'm signing off for now.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Merry Christmas Good Bye
Dec 24th, 2011 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JF - no uti posidetis juris so everything before 1816 is irrelevant. Britain never acepted that the Treaty of Utrecht limited its excursions into the south seas, and Nootka did not apply to the Falklands. In any case what happened between Spain and Britain was just that - nothing to do with Argentina.
Dec 25th, 2011 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0The 1825 Treaty between Argentina and Britain was one of commerce and did not recognise Argentina's boundaries, which were not stated. Argentina did not possess the falklands in 1825 so that is irrelevant also.
No inheritance.
No possession.
No authority.
= No Falklands.
Historical fact!
ok clever boy, UK has stolen a lot of territories [ name one ]
Dec 25th, 2011 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0just one place that the united kingdom has stolen or sciddadle .
As I mention before, there is a long list of territories stolen by UK including for example, Falkland Islands, Peñon de Gibraltar, Antartic Territory, Anguila, Islas Cayman, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands, Pitcairn Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands, Bermuda, Virgin Islands, Montserrat, Saint Helena, Indian Ocean territory, among others. In addition, there are other territories stolen which were returned later for different reasons. Clearly, UK is the country which has stolen the higher quantity of territories in the world. With its military force has imposed its interest but without any strong arguments.
Dec 25th, 2011 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Falkland Islands = Not stolen. West Falkland Island legitimately settled in 1765. The whole archipelago taken under British sovereignty in 1833, without any objection from the other possible claimant - Spain.
Dec 25th, 2011 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gibraltar = Not stolen. You want to start a war, be prepared to have to give up something when you lose.
Antarctic Territory = NOT stolen. Uninhabited. Discovered and legally claimed.
South Georgia/South Sandwich = NOT stolen. Unhinhabited. Discovered and legally claimed.
Pitcairn =NOT stolen. Refuge of mutineers. Discovered and legally claimed.
These I know about. Whereas you know nothing but your Government's propaganda.
We have all the strong arguments... which is why these territories have opted to remain British.
Your lack of knowledge belittles you.
After reading your paragraphs it´s clear that you are only open to read the UK version. However, you need to know that there are a lot of arguments in favour of Argentina. You need to investigate that. Detracting all people who think so, won´t be enough to hide these arguments. Please read bibliography in spanish (not only written by Argentinian people, there are a lot of books), if you want to know something more. If your are open mind and not partial (I know that is difficult if you are english because probably you will try to defend the interest of your country even its arguments are wrong) perhaps you will realize that Argentina has strong arguments in your claims.
Dec 25th, 2011 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@56johnfarrel2050,
Dec 25th, 2011 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0l couldn't be bothered to refute all your examples of so-called stolen land, so just a couple will do.
One of your examples was South Georgia & the South Sandwich lslands.
1)Britain explored & claimed these islands before anyone else.
2)There were no people on these islands.
Who were they stolen from? Argentina has NEVER owned these islands.
What about Bermuda? same story, uninhabited when the UK claimed the island. Who did we “steal” it from?
As for the Falklands(glad you used the correct name & not that stupid malv rubbish!), Argentina has NEVER owned them & never will. We do.
Kipling,
l am still waiting for an answer for post # 41.
(lf you can!).
Argies, how did you get on when you looked in your stockings this morning? Were the Malvinas in there? No? Oh poor you! Never mind. Why don't you ask for them again next Christmas?
Dec 25th, 2011 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Merry Christmas you losers!
I came by to wish a Merry Christmas to all my 2.400+ islanders countrymates, from the continental Argentina.
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Dec 25th, 2011 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0** 60 kip
Dec 25th, 2011 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0you /we write these comments vainly..
BECOUSE
we have no any adressed persons here ,all are slogan kids...
( wait /see same replicated attacks coming here...)
if you like to make gossip ,then it's your problem..
we should understand that Brits' s interests are on Latin American
opportunities not worthless Islas Malvinas.....!!
JF & Kippers - I studied your history before I set out to find the truth. The truth does not support your case. No uti possidetis juris, no inheritance. Spain did not give up her own claim till 1836. So all Argentina has is the period 1816 - 1833 to establish a sovereignty claim better than either Spain's or Britain's.
Dec 25th, 2011 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina did not manage it.
Jewett is a myth. Stayed a short while and left. Imposed no authority and left nothing behind. A waste of a good story.
Vernet achieved nothing in 1823, but did better in 1826. In 1828 he got British permission. But then he got cocky and thought he could give BA sovereign rights. The Yanks kicked that into touch and before BA could get a further chance the British showed up.
Argentina has nothing.
No claim historically.
Legally, everything changed in 1945. The BRITISH residents of the Falklands gained ther ight to self-determination AGAINST the British. Nothing to do with Argentina.
Britain has recognised the legal right that the UN Charter enshrined. We will allow them that right, we will even protect that right.
Still nothing to do with Argentina !
So butt out !
so am i right ?..... yea i am right !!
Dec 25th, 2011 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0wait / see ...the other memorized posts are coming up here....!!
Detracting people who tell the truth is the way choosen by UK people to avoid accepting that their arguments are too weak. I´m not argentinian. However, after analysing the arguments of both countries, it is not necessary to be Argentinian to realize that UK has stolen Malvinas Islands to Argentina.
Dec 25th, 2011 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a
You must have some dirty little agenda John Farrel. I wonder what it is.
Dec 25th, 2011 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I studied everything possible to do with the claims of Spain, France, Britain and Argentina. I looked at it from as neutral a stand point as possible (I'm only human). My conclusion was that Argentina possibly has a claim to half the Islands.
Dec 25th, 2011 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However Britain's Claim to all the Islands is simply a better one.
That is why all further arbitration has been stalled by Argentina because the government knows that it would lose.
That is why the Argentine government uses the tactic of indoctrination.
That is why the Argentine government uses the tactic of being hostile to the Falklands.
My believe is they hope to ware the UK government down and the Falkland Islanders to such a degree that they will hand them over to Argentina.
This is wrong and should not be tolerated.
To arrive at a solution must be dialogue.
Dec 25th, 2011 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In favor of Argentina or U.K.
To reach the Court of Justice must be engage in dialogue.
It is so difficult?
@ 62, 66 How is it possible that Argentina does not have rights to what was done by Jewett and Vernet?
How is it possible that the UK has rights when the British established 2 years later than the French?.
How is it possible that the UK has rights when the islands were ruled by the Spanish from 1767 to 1811 without protest British?
How is it possible that the UK has rights when Argentine settlers were expelled from Puerto Soledad, a site in which the British had never been?
An injustice of the past affects us today.
Certainly Red, I like your old name ;-))
Malvinense. It was settled completely in the 1850 Convention of Settlement officially establishing “Perfect friendship” between Britain and Argentina. It is impossible to interpret “Perfect friendship” as being in spite of a territorial dispute. Whatever Argentina had a right to was extinguished when the agreement was signed. Further, Argentina's belligerent claim is in breach of the rights of self determination as enshrined in the UN charter.
Dec 25th, 2011 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 064 johnfarrel2050
Dec 25th, 2011 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have seen indoctrination before, but you are of the extreme kind,
We think you are a North Korean robot and are programmed to tell only what you are programmed to say; your blogg states this every time,
…………………………
Allow me,
The United Kingdom has never stolen anything.
Argentina on the other hand, stole the Falklands for a couple of weeks,
Before the law and justice caught up with them,
And humiliatingly made them give the stolen land back.
[Once a thief, always a thief]
[Once brain washed, always brain washed.]
Vamoose .
.
Strange the British ignored the right of the Hong Kong Chinese to Self-Determination when they demanded to remain under British sovereignty.
Dec 25th, 2011 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hong Kong Island was not subject to the 99 year lease from China - only the Territories were.
But of course China changed a little in 99 years didn't it Briton? - in the same way as Argentina and South America is changing and within the next 15 years South America will be able to bitch slap you like the Chinese did.
Oh yes and if you think your hero Barry Elsby will be able to face down Presidenta Kirchner you will be greatly disappointed because as soon as the good times come to an end in the Malvinas and Elsby cannot fly back to his Palace in Britain every 6 months and isn't making $200,000 a year because of cutbacks in the Malvinas economy - he will be on a plane so fast he will scare the birds lol.
70 Dross
Dec 25th, 2011 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What an utter load of bollox. Have you ever bothered reading the comments of the people who were in HK with the British?
The answer is no or you are lying because a lot of them still have a picture of the Queen on their living room walls and many state they were better of then than now.
Get it right or get gone, you bore me with this childish nonsense.
Oh dear another brain washed person,
Dec 25th, 2011 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First of, we are referring to the UK stealing land, [they did not]
Argentina invaded and thus stole that land for a while,[they did]
This has nothing to do with china,
You cant keep changing the story to alter the facts ,about the truth,
Barry is not my hero,
I have no hero’s
President Kirchner, is in fact, obsessed and deluded with the Falklands, even to the point of destroying her own country, and the people that she lies to,,
[China] did not slap the UK, but the British, DID slap Argentina,
And in 15 years time, [well]
If you can predict this far ahead, the lottery numbers would be gratefully excepted,
The truth always hurt those who know least not, ??
@ Chris + Briton.
Dec 25th, 2011 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You obviously do not even know your own history .
You actually invaded China and not being happy with a simple invasion you then tried to force the entire population of China into Heroin addicts by quite simply overthrowing the legitimate sovereign and flooding China with Opium from your other colonies, yes - including Afghanistan which you invaded three times in the 19th century - the first invasion resulting in the loss of your entire army (Times don't change much do they lol)
Yes - in addition you being the world's biggest coloniser and slave dealer you British were also at one time the world's biggest traffickers in Heroin.
And now look at you. Sitting here yapping like angry little dogs pretending you can still slap around the 'smelly litte greasers', deluding yourselves that you still have any relevance.
And if Elsby turns out to be as effective a diplomat as he was a Doctor then I suggest you order a coffin.
#66 - I can see where you are coming from, but I believe that Spain retained its claim to East Falkland after 1833, whereas Argentina had gained no right.
Dec 25th, 2011 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#67 - Vernet and Jewett did not do enough.
The French did not dispute British rights or challenge their claim to West Falkland.
The Spanish had a good argument - you are not Spain. No inheritance.
The settlers were not expelled in 1833, and those that were there had been given British permission in 1828.
The Spanish had a better claim to Soledad than Britain. In 1833 they did not complain even though they did not give up their rights until 1836. They even recognised British sovereignty in 1863. Argentina is not Spain.
Two names on too many forums - easier to consolidate. Particularly with the new pdf file coming out in a number of formats in January.
The truth is getting out :-)
http://www.clarin.com/politica/China-Reino-Unido-soberania-Malvinas_0_615538475.html
Dec 25th, 2011 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0China instó al Reino Unido a dialogar por el reclamo argentino por la soberanía de Malvinas.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas son Argentinas!
74 Lord Ton (#)
Dec 26th, 2011 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0What i mean is that the Argentina could have piggy backed the spanish claim. Had The British not had any interest in their claim then they probably would have been successful.
I actually believe that the Spanish claim was not very good to begin with.
Possible the “correct” outcome should have been half French and half British.
Don't get your hopes up boys - China has been saying the same thing for decades. Doesn't make an ounce of difference !
Dec 26th, 2011 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ Lord Tom
Dec 26th, 2011 - 01:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shame your own Press agrees with them -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/22/britain-asleep-over-falkland-islands
Each day UK is more alone, because there more and more countries in favour the claims of Argentina (It´s clearly that the Malvinas Islands are Argentinian). UK only have some friend countries (with economical interests) in favour its weak arguments. All the world known the history of UK who reiteratedly stole territories. You need to know that It is impossible to hide that.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're not a learner, are you JF.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You want to check up on that support - how many merely say that they would like the 2 countries to negotiate? If you think that that constitutes 'support' then you are daft.
Argentina stole Patagonia from it's inhabitants, which makes you just as bad as us.
I see Gott has been up to his usual left-wing cr*p in the Guardian again !
Telam will always give him a job :-)
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2011/12/26/gott-the-guardian-and-unrepresentative-opinions/
It gest worse Lord Tom.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 02:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0It apears the Britain just lost its position as world's sixth largest economy to Brazil.
Yes Lord Tom for the first time in your history a 'third world' South American nation has a larger economy that you.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078596/Brazil-overtakes-UK-sixth-biggest-economy-Britain-falls-South-American-nation-time.html
More good news...for Argentina of course.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 02:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you China!
“China urged the United Kingdom to discuss the Argentine claim to sovereignty of Malvinas”
http://www.clarin.com/politica/China-Reino-Unido-soberania-Malvinas_0_615538475.html
#83 - see #78
Dec 26th, 2011 - 02:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0No change - no use!
Dross- The ups and downs - so tell me - where is Argentina ?
#84 -see #83 again
Dec 26th, 2011 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0The change is there- so tell me-where are your glasses?
China has not changed its position at all - so how do you think you are better off?
Dec 26th, 2011 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0The status quo remains MoreCrap!
The change is there you refuse to see it Rotted.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 070 dreyfoss such utter rubish,
Dec 26th, 2011 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0all you do is change the subject, all the time,
you cant talk to an indocrinought, its a wast of time .
Ok MoreCrap - I'm blind ! Explain it to me :-)
Dec 26th, 2011 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only in China 1,6 billions of habitants supporting the position of Argentina. In Latin America are almost 1 billion of habitants in favour of Argentina. In addition, there are a lot of people in others continents (Africa, America, some countries of Europe- for example Spain and Portugal-, among others) who has the same position.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did they vote ??
Dec 26th, 2011 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or are you short of many true democracies actually backing you up?
89 Redhoyt I know that you are blind :-)
Dec 26th, 2011 - 05:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even the colony newspaper can't keep up with the bad news the last few days.
Saturday, 24 December 2011
“USA again backs Argentina”
“Fox News reports that inn a move one British conservative analyst called ”hugely insulting to Britain,“ the Organization of American States earlier this week adopted a declaration calling for negotiations between the United Kingdom and Argentina over the ”sovereignty“ of the Falkland Islands. While the U.S. delegation did not speak in support of the measure, it ultimately joined a consensus adopting it”
http://www.penguin-news.com/index.php?option=com_flexicontent&view=items&cid=30:politics&id=203:usa-again-backs-argentina&Itemid=20
So when exactly was that OAS meeting ?
Dec 26th, 2011 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0You should check your facts MoreCrap :-)
time to board and expropiate the pirat ships as british illegal aliens do with Islas Malvinas Argentina, do to other as they done to you.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0You Spics are really upset about this aren't you. You can say all you like but nothing has changed. What would you do with the islands anyway? There's no point in letting you have the natural resources. You'd just waste them all through corrupt deals amongst yourselves and continue to be a 3rd world embarrassment like you are now.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 073 dross
Dec 26th, 2011 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0'smelly litte greasers' what a great term you have given me to describe your sort of indoctrinated, mindless idot of an Argentino. Thank you very much. I can see me using it often.
Your post is so far back into history it could be considered antique, like your presiden Old Rubber Neck.
To save effort I'll repeat what I said last time for you: Get it right or get gone, you bore me with this childish nonsense.
As I mentioned above China, Latin America, some counties of Africa, some countries of Europe, including Spain, Portugal and Russia support the position of Argentina. It means that there are more than 3 billions of habitants in the world in favour of this position.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0@64 jf2050 You seem to have a bit of a problem. So far, I have not seen you presenting any valid FACTS about the argentine claim. Very good at saying that anyone who disagrees is wrong, but no good with FACTS. Could you try some properly researched FACTS? And in regard to your fatuous comment @90, can you provide evidence that 1.6 billion people in China support argentina? Can you even provide evidence that there are 1 billion people in Latin America that support argentina? You CANNOT. The best that you can do is to say that various governments mutter about supporting argentina. You are either a brain-dead infantile lunatic or a troll. Either come up with something intelligent and factual or depart. Preferably the latter. By the way, you might notice that Britain and the Falkland Islanders are in possession. If you and your argentine bum boys want to make a claim, fine. Come up with some verifiable facts. Actually, why don't you and your argentine faggots take the whole thing to the ICJ? But then you benders haven't attempted that in 65 years. Why would you change now?
Dec 26th, 2011 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0@92 And we would care what Buttrack Oubliette says.....why?
@94 Time to sink all South American ships going within 100 miles of Argentina.
@73 Perhaps you'd like to investigate the size of the Spanish slave trade. Or Spain's great claim to fame, initiation of the first concentration camps, in Cuba.
JF is an Argentine - he makes 'Claims' - he doesn't back anything up with 'Facts'.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not that it makes an ounce of difference who supports Argentina. The Islanders' are supported by Britain - and that's enough :-)
You are wrong Lorn Ton, I´m not Argentine. You need to know that is not necessary to be Argentine to realize that UK don´t have valid arguments to steal the Malvinas Islands. For this reason a lot of people around the world support the Argentinian position. The support of Britain is not enough to have valid arguments, it is only enough to impose military force to steal the Islands.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Prove me wrong JF - come up with some FACTS
Dec 26th, 2011 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although I show all the facts, it is clear that you won´t support the Argentinian position because now you have a partial view, you want to defend the british interests. It is not necessary for me to write here all the arguments, If you want to have an impartial view, you have to investigate and read not only the version of the story provided by UK.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't write them all - just come up with ONE, then back it up with a reliable resource :-)
Dec 26th, 2011 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0# Red buddy......you're worse every day, you tried with therapy ?
Dec 26th, 2011 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I get therapy on here sofa - beating the cr*p out of you useless bunch.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No chance, and no hopers !
#105 dont be nervous “Lord”,......a little advice, try to begin to accept the inevitable fate....Las Malvinas son Argentinas, its only mattee of time. Wake up and dont waste your time here or writing crap in falklandsnews.wordpress.....did you see your followers ? 9 people...please is sad see you like this....enjoy your pension, thats all old chap.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#105:
Dec 26th, 2011 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's that strategy of yours coming up again. We'll sit here on out arses doing absolutely nothing except telling people that the islands are Argentinian and eventually it will happen. Somehow, I don't think that it's going to work. Islands will eventally be Argentinian
106 so_far
Dec 26th, 2011 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Heh lads (that's the Brits for any Argies) I think Ogaga is posting under so_far.
Just look at the the last sentance this pratt has written ”thats(sic) all old chap”.
Ogaga, his mixed grammar and pseudo 'Toff' pretend irishman to a 'T'.
Ignore comment 107. It should, of course have read:
Dec 26th, 2011 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#106:
There's that strategy of yours coming up again. We'll sit here on out arses doing absolutely nothing except telling people that the islands are Argentinian and eventually it will happen. Somehow, I don't think that it's going to work.
ChrisR and Crackpot.....
Dec 26th, 2011 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm confused ... who of you has ban ?
http://www.disinfo.com/2011/02/uk-court-bans-man-with-low-iq-from-having-sex/
#110:
Dec 26th, 2011 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was me! Both men and women just couldn't resist me, so I got banned to give everyone else in the world a chance.
I find that having an IQ of 48 helps me tremendously on this site - if it was any higher, my posts would probbaly be too complicated for some of the Argie bloggers to understand what I was saying.
fair enough Cracky....im agree with your sentence..“ I find that having an IQ of 48 helps me tremendously on this site..”
Dec 26th, 2011 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but for LatAm people is fun.....keep going Mercopre$$
nothing Argentina can do :)
@111 Crackpot,
Dec 26th, 2011 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That was very quick & witty Crackpot, but l think that it has gone so_far over his head that he wouldn't get it.
PETER PRESTON, THE GUARDIAN, UK: “IT MAKES NO ECONOMIC OR POLITICAL SENSE TO HANG ON TO THE FALKLANDS, BUT NO ONE WILL FACE THE TRUTH”
Dec 27th, 2011 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MORE: www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/14/falklands-economic-crisis-politics-argentina
97 johnfarrel2050
Dec 28th, 2011 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0more than 3 billions of habitants in the world in favour of this position.
[can you name these people .
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115 I could'nt give a damn if the whole world backed you. I would simply echo the words of the great Winston Churchill “VERY WELL....ALONE”. We won that time as well.
Dec 28th, 2011 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Besides Reading up on the history of the islands I think all the Argentinians miss a vital bit of information.
When the British colony was withdrawn, in 1774, we did leave behind a plaque stating that we still considered the Falklands to be ours. I mean this is a bit of a giveaway is'nt it.
So when the RN showed up in 1833 to reassert our claim, the Argentine/United Provinces colonists should'nt have been overlly surprised should they? I mean they had told us they were going to settle there.
It's a bit like asking if you can set up a house in a farmers field, then being surprised when the farmer asks you to pay for the utilities to be connected, or to pay him rent. Or claiming squatters rights in someones house when they've gone away for a while.
Based on the sort of criteria the Argetinians have (we were there once) , we could claim Normandy (after all one of our kings came from there), Italy could claim us (we were part of the Roman empire) we could claim the rebel colonies now calling themselves the USA, unless of course they get us to join them as an extra state...........
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