Falklands/Malvinas bilateral issue, but Islands are covered by EU as British OT
The European Union considers that the new tense situation between Argentina and the UK over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands is a “bilateral issue”, however the Falklands figure under EU treaties as a British Overseas Territory, said the EU Foreign Affairs Representative spokesperson.
“This is fundamentally a bilateral issue between the UK and Argentina”, said Michael Mann spokesperson for Catherine Ashton, High Representative of the EU for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy.
However he also pointed out that based on the EU treaties the Falkland Islands are included as a territory dependent from one of EU member states.
“The situation is quite clear: the territories that include the Falkland Islands are covered by the Treaty, they depend from the member states”, added Mann.
However the spokesperson did not provide further details on the situation during the daily round of questions at the European Commission.
The Argentina/UK situation over the Falklands has again escalated following the controversy about the Falklands’ flagged vessels barred from Mercosur ports and statements from PM David Cameron describing Argentina’s attitude towards the Islanders as “colonialism”, which triggered an immediate reaction from Buenos Aires.
Furthermore Cameron revealed to Parliament he had recently held a meeting with the National Security Council devoted entirely to the situation in the South Atlantic territories with the purpose of making sure “defences and everything else are in order”.
Likewise he insisted that “the absolutely vital point is that we are clear that the future of the Falkland Islands is a matter for the people themselves. As long as they want to remain part of the United Kingdom and be British, they should be able to do so”.
The London media later revealed that Cameron was warned by British intelligence that Argentina was plotting a mock invasion by sending Argentine fishermen to land on the Falklands and South Georgia to plant an Argentine flag.
This is a very sensitive year since next April 2 is the 30th anniversary of the Argentine military invasion of the Falklands and their recovery 74 days later (June 14) by a multi-theatre task force sent by then PM Margaret Thatcher.
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Long Live the Falklands.
www.economist.com/node/21543150
The right to choose there Own Future and not live under the threat of argentine Colonialism!!
Long Live the falklands.
The lack or arguments and desperation from the UK are surprising...
So does that mean that since you used to be a corrupt, and aggressive little state, that defaults on its loans, and was lead by an very angry bitter leader, that's policy on the Falklands failed, you still are ?
Malvinas is a colony. I don´t say so. The UN does. It´s a NON-SELF-GOVERNING TERRITORY.
www.un.org/en/decolonization/nonselfgovterritories.shtml
The UK was and still is a “Cross colonial power in decline”. (You know the author)
Cameron calls Argentina colonialist... when colonialism is characteristic to the UK all along its history...
Islanders call Argentina “agresive” when they invaded the islands and expelled original population by the use of force.
It amazing. The UK is desperate and lacks arguments. Cameron only puts the UK in an isolated position. He´s rediculizing the UK.
The world knows the truth and backs Argentina.
Take a nervocalm an get over it, MR Cameron.
Also the Falkland Islanders or the UK government do not need to argue. The Falklands are British.
You decided to go to war and failed. Why on earth do you think your tactics now will succeed? Your tatic to convince the Falklander Islanders to become Spanish oh I mean Argentine has failed your argumentis therefore lacking. Back to the drawing board for you.
Malvinas are not British. Ask Latinamerica, Asia and Africa.
A dictatorship decided to go to war and failed.
We think diplomacy will succeed cos the world is not backing colonialism no more and the UK will be isolated in its position.
We don´t want to make them argentine. They already are, since they were born in Argentina, you smart boy. And if the nationality is the problem, then can stay British, who cares? We claim the islands are argentine. Islas argentinas, islanders british would be a good option. :)
The UK will carry on doing what it has been doing for decades. Just pottering around its territories in the South Atlantic looking after its interests and minding its own business. Meanwhile, the Falkland Islanders will be happily carrying on with their lives developing their extremely successful economy oblivious of all the insane and inane ranting across the water and secure in the knowledge that the UK is there to defend them if necessary, as is their right as a BOT.
Kind of sticks in your scraggy Argentinian craw, doesn't it.
Argentina only had them after they murdered the flag bearer who lived on the island and started an illegal occupation...
I think the fact that this is a good argument has you all reeling with frustration aha Cameron doesnt seem that bothered, but after he makes one little remark you all shite yourself and start crying aha
And btw a colony is different to a non-self governing territory. You just angry because it doesn't say Argentinian governed territory lol
“The UK will carry on doing what it has been doing for decades”: Exploiting other countrie´s resources.
@ 10 Thor
The wishes of the islanders are not consider, as per UN.
The iligal ocupants are british, that explains Argentina´s international support. Don´t lie.
The UK does not want to talk about Malvinas cos it does not have much to say. And when Cameron speaks up, he makes the world laugh at him: first with the Full Stop, now with Argentina Colonialism. Give me a break!
The UN clearly states Malvinas is a colonial situation.
You only lie cos you don´t have arguments. You only have weapons.
Cameron is alot better than the old dear that heads your state. He spoke up to Europe, and had them come crawling back.......
Whos laughed at him ? Made up accounts ?
Where does it state that its a colonial situation ? We're not in the 19th century son, its the 21st. Its a territory that has its own autonomous people with its own governor, and you are not going to change that.
LOL!!!! The UN General Assembly (of dictatorships and human rights abusers) can only recommend. It has no power - for a good reason. Why don't you take your case to the ICJ? You are a signatory.
Your problem, stupid, is that you can't read and you don't listen. If you could do either you would be able to go through the Mercopress archives and read every single word published in favour of the Falkland Islanders having what they want and are entitled to and, in addition, every single word refuting argie mendacious claims.
Try to understand something once and for all. The UN doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. Please note how much attention you scumbags pay to the UN unless it suits you.
There were some illegal occupants. 30 years ago. But we stood up, as we will do again in the future, and kicked your sorry little asses off. That's what we do to trespassers. The UK has nothing to say about the “Malvinas” because they don't exist, you dumbbrain. There are some islands called the Falkland Islands on which the UK position is quite clear. The Falkland Islanders want to have as little to do with a bunch of mendacious, creepy, greasy, cheating dagoes and spics as possible.
And, as I pointed out, we don't give any more of a toss for the UN as you do.
But you're right. We do have weapons. Now here's a tip, dogs breath. Last time we arranged for 649 of your little kiddies not to come home. We arranged for them to “conquer” part of the Falkland Islands. They each got a piece 6 feet long, 2 feet wide and 6 feet deep. Except for the ones that weren't buoyant enough. They finished up as fish food.
Now if you want to come again, I'm in favour of increasing the figures for Round 2. I reckon we should make you pay a thousand times as many. And please don't make any mistakes. Last time we didn't have any cruise missiles. Last time we didn't bother with the mainland. Next time we will. They do say that if you want a sure kill, go for the head. Buenos Aires will be No. 1 target. Let's see how you like having your lives disrupted. Perhaps we'll land a division of Challenger 2 MBTs as well to rampage around a bit.
You want to play hardball, sonny? We'll show you how!
Where does it state that its a colonial situation ?
www.falklands.info/history/resolution2065.html
Resolution 2065 (XX)
Question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas)
”Considering that its resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 was prompted by the cherished aim of bringing to an end everywhere colonialism in all its forms, one of which covers the case of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas)”
You are a Colony.
And I notice you didnt comment on The Voyage of the Beagle because it the truth.....
And the fact that It is no longer a colony but a non-self governing Island, with its own governor and an autonomous populace, means that your argument is invalid.
Once Argentina decided to invade the Falkland Islands the previous UN resolutions became irrelavant. The matter was then resolved by military action. Just because Argentina illegally invaded the Falklands it cant say it's government was a dictatorship so that does not count.
The Falkland Islanders are British and certainly not Argentine. Just because your constitution says so does not mean a foreign land is yours.
Oh by the way Britain will stand by the Falkland Islanders have not doubt.
“With its own governor” that should PLEASE the Queen od England (FI Constitution).
@ Vivan las Islas Malvinas
Argentine rights over the islands go far beyond the conflict of 1982.
Las Islas Malvinas son argentinas.
UK is a colonialist countrie and is usin the reason of the strongers.....
The Falklands have NEVER belonged too argentina and NO amount of argentine Lies is going to change that!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
Down with argentine Colonialism.
Spanish and Dutch military going south to deter argentine,
You couldn’t make it up .
.
Catherine Ashton (High Representative of the EU for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy): “This is fundamentally a bilateral issue between the UK and Argentina”. was a trilateral issue which included the “falklands”?.
www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/01/182294.htm
US department of state: we recognize a de Facto british administration but not a legitimate administration and take no sides in the sovereignty dispute.
Argentina has no rights over the Falkland Island. What planet are you on!
Argentina purely relies on another colonial powers occupation to justify it's so called rights to the Islands. Yet you now deny argentina has been or is involved in colonialism. By the way Spain continues to have colonies in North Africa.
I have no axe to grind with Argentina apart from this imperalistic attitude to the Islands that do not and have never been part of Argentina.
What has the US got to do with UK, Falklands, and Europe, do get with the message here!!!! Britain unlike argentina does not need america to deal with any problems!!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAH!!!
uk is FINISHED!!!
I see you have coveniently added a bit of text that isn't actually there: “...but not a legitimate administration....”
Maybe you need to read it again, because what it actually says is:
“We recognize de facto United Kingdom administration of the islands but take no position regarding sovereignty.”
I'd stick to playing the piano, if I was you, Liberace.
The Falkland Islands are British and they will remain British, get over it Argentina.
As for the other South American countries who are being bullied into supporting Argentina, shame on you, it just shows how greedy they all are, let's face it they all want the black gold, they don't care two hoots about the Falkland Islanders.
Sorry You got that Wrong!!!
argentina is the one thats FINISHED!!!!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
Stop crying... and start learning Spanish, you´ll need it.
“You were proved wrong” (?) Explain yourself...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMXnhu32mKE
The Falklanders feel the same last thing they need is a load of argentine conquistadors !!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
Down with argentine Colonialists.
Long Live England --Long Live Republic
As Thor points out - their prescence was again documented by Charles Darwin in the Beagle in 1845.
At least one of the ladies married a British settler - and thus the blood still runs in some Islanders today- who want NOTHING to do with Argentina - so now you see you have blood descended from Argentina telling you this as well!!
The last of those folks did about 1870 and is buried here in Stanley Cemetery.
I am happy to debate facts and sides of stories on here but am so sick of all the lies and bullshit - but I do feel for you - when you have decades of Senior Arg Govt officials shouting strings of lies - its natural that you start to believe them!
Like who would get any revenue from mineral resources!- FACT is and your President knows it as well - UK gets 0% - all accrues to the Elected Islands Govt, but the truth is not a good story - so she lies.
Do you mean Katherine Jenkins the Welsh singer??
Hope so because she is GOOD!!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
And guess what,
It will still be the same, nothing will change, and the Falklands will remain British,
But alas, children do not understand this, even when proved liars, they just ignore you , change the subject, or just turn a blind eye,
But as long as their is true democracy, then self determination is alive and well,
And no more text fixing please .
Or in 'simple' terms for you, I win :D
Are you getting Worried, No long winded tirade thats not like You at all!!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
You should concentrate your efforts on your own country rather than seeking Colonial ambitions on the peaceful Falkland Islands!!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
you should concentrate your efforts on your huge debts pay back rather than seeking opportunities on the foreign doors thresholds....!!
@51 geo (#) We'll be fine, you defaulted a few years back and look at you. We havnt even defaulted yet so i thik we'll be alright :') Oh didnt i beat you in an argument which you failed to come back at a while ago ? Your a pesky bunch arnt you....
Do you speak portuguese?
At least the UK Pays its debts UNLIKE argentina!!! Maybe thats why argentina cannot get any Loans and wants to take the Falklands oil discovery revenues!!
@52
Time for you to take your Medication and calm down!!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
If you want to get anywhere in this World learn English, you will earn more and go further Financially and in Spirit!!!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/brazil/9005835/Loggers-burned-Amazon-tribe-girl-alive.html
Whats the 'Tribes was' ? And i am British.
Nice try, but i think press tv may have the hump with the UK and the report may be a tad biased
Iran's Press TV loses UK licenceOfcom revokes English-language channel's licence for breaching the Communications Act
www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/jan/20/iran-press-tv-loses-uk-licence?newsfeed=true
brazil football in spain empire, argentina rules brazil yes, you beg argentina yes we agree yes,
We no portuguese, but we like this!
Burning flags? Or burning their bridges ??
Why United Kingdom does not allow Argentinean travel to live in the Islands? Of course, because they know that in this case a lot of Argentinean will travel to live there, and probably they will claim the Sovereignty of these territories. UK, only has the power to mantain there, a few islanders (around 2 thousand) to try to demostrate this “self-dermination”. Therefore it´s true some islanders don´t want to be Argentinean, but it is so because UK shut, during a lot of years, the frontiers of these Islands to the Argentinean, who are the real owners of these lands. Clearly the self- determination is a big lie, in these Islands there is a british colony as a consequence of stealing them, by UK.
General Sir Peter Whiteley, a former commandant general of the Royal Marines, said: ‘If the Argentines decided to invade again we could never consider trying to take them (the Falklands) back because of our lack of naval resources.
And Surgeon Rear Admiral Ralph Curr, the Royal Navy’s former medical director-general, added: ‘There’s no way we could defend the Falklands or re-engage the Argentines if it all happened again.’
Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2089504/Falkland-Islands-protest-outside-British-Embassy-Buenos-Aires-tensions-rise.html#ixzz1k3S6npA9
Obviously the puppeteers in the Casa Rosada would be hard pressed to to organise a piss-up in a brewery, in fact I doubt they could even get a bang in a knock shop....
:-)
Self-determination is the truth - for everyone, except Argentina.
And - distance makes the Heart grow Fonder :-)
falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/distance-makes-the-heart-grow-fonder/
Argentina you clearly forgot it was the raising of the argentine flag by a scrap metal worker on one of the islands that kicked off the 1982 war. Britain is now starting to growl back at you and we all know a lion always growls before it roars. We roared at you back in 1982 and you were sent packing, were now about to roar at you again and this time finish you off and ensure you are never a threat to the islanders and there right to self determination and to live in peace unhindered by you ever again. We Brits and islanders here have been warning you for over 2 years, but you did not listen and its clear that when you do finally start to listen it will be little to late for your precious country.
“IS JORDAN BRITAIN'S BEST SHAG”?
I had to ask a friend what it meant.
Well if you had to ask a friend, then you clearly weren't much good at who wants to be a millioniare then were you :-))
If they were to join in, we could invoke article 5 of our NATO membership that we are facing a major armed assault on our people and economic interests. We would probably get significant help. The last time article 5 was invoked was after 911.
The navies of South America would'nt last long against those of NATO, particularly the USNs carrier battlegroups.
If NATO failed to respond - we could take unilateral action.
I would recommend a declaration of war against the hostile alliance followed by a demand for unconditional surrender. Failure to comply would result in, as Truman said, “A rain of ruin” the likes of which the world has never seen before.
Follow this up with an airburst warhead high above South America to EMP the continent, to show we mean business.
In all out war, all bets are off. I would'nt care less how many of the other side died in the firestorms below the glowering mushroom clouds. I would go for military targets, but would accept the civilian losses as par for the course.
unbelievable ...!!
lts coming soon.
The navies of South America would'nt last long against those of NATO, particularly the USNs carrier battlegroups.
You did not get much support last time....This time uk will get much less......Economic interest?? Where are?? 2000 people and NO OIL?? Who is going to figth for you?/ Only and Idiot brainwashed country,bankrupt,decadent can spend money and lives in there...
uk is Out...
You want to bet uk will negotiate???
AHAHAHHA It was not bad...Half of the brits fleet aither synk or damage....
Weapons...can be adquiered quickly...and this time Argentina Will accept weaponns and military from differents parts.........
Will you like to bet that sooner than later uk will open negotiations with ARgentina???
Shout as much as you like. I am merely pointing out to the likes of Brasileiro and you that you won't get any meaningful support for your fascist colonialist land grabbing from the other countries of south america.
We are'nt living in a fantasy world, war is an ugly business. Chile and Brazil won't be sending ships because they don't care as much about the issue as you. Any other nations entering the fray would be an escalation that would alow us to invoke article 5, go look it up.
As to post 106 I think you'll find that despite the RN being smaller than it was, it still maintains the same tradition of victory that protected our home from the
likes of you for hundreds of years.
Besides the Sea Harriers and missile defences of the fleet decimating the FAA, while your navy was powerless against our SSNs, remember what happened to any Argentine naval unit we detected.....
Sunk, burned or taken as prize.
We prevailed despite the fury of our enemy.
You lost.
A lot of good people died because you people believed in the fantasy of the easy conquest. If you believe it now, your country is run by even bigger fools than I could give any credit for.
Amazing that you say half the British fleet was lost or damaged yet the task force still managed to liberate the falklands. Does'nt say much for the Argentine forces.
Oh you want to burn another Union flag.
Stop Argentine Colonialism now!
We'll leave after you do.
Stop Argentina's fascist irredentist colonialism.
Stop Argentinas' planned land grab.
Stop Argentina's plans to deny British people a voice in their own homeland.
You are on that road.
Why don't YOU get out of South America & go back to Spain(or where ever you came from)?
poor cero, bribed with a dollar a day,
cheap at half the price .
perhaps those nuns came back and threw cero, out of the helicopter
Argentines can travel to the islands and they can live here. All they have to do is apply for a job, be appointed and get a work permit. They have exactly the same rights as any other potential immigrant.
perhaps those nuns came back and threw cero, out of the helicopter
AHHAAHAH,britton..Just make sure they do not hit london...
Fall from a helicopter and mysteriously drop 8,thousand miles upwards to land in London,
That’s just a bit to far fetched, [but]
Dropping and mysteriously disappearing and never seen again in Argentina
That’s possible .
What is important in this case is the reality of the here and now.
For that I would offer two glaring facts.
1. The islanders don't want to be a part of a failed Latin American country with a history of bad decisions emanating from a people addicted to conformity bordering on autism and, of course, their famous psychotic arrogance.
2. Argentina cannot back up it's claims on the island with military force.
Let's add another, really important fact.
Today one of the most important problems facing important countries, like the USA, China, India, Japan, the EU is
Resource Scarcity.
So they are all in search of
Resource Rich
parts of the world.
Argentina is one of them.
So what you have is a situation where ALL of the Big Boys are in desperate need of the fundamentals of daily living, Food, as in Fish, and Soya, Wheat, Corn, Beef, Energy, as in Oil, and, of course, Water.
Argentina has all of these things and does not manage them well, because they are, Argentinians.
Do you think the US, UK, EU, China, Japan, India, are going to let some pip-squeek piece of a nothing country stand in the way of what they ALL desperately need?
OF COURSE NOT!!!!!!
They are going to divide the spoils.
Those are the facts that spell the future of Argentina.
And that these facts are unpleasant to some Argentinians, and can't be faced by most, is a matter of complete indifference to the countries in question who need what Argentina has.
Chau y Bueno Suerte Argentina!
be friends again with the british
and sleep soundly ,
of perhaps suffer the above, and have a nippon visit you in the night .
just a thought .
At the time Argentina claimed to have damaged or sunk virtualy every ship in the task force, some were even sunk twice.
Argentina also shot down twice as many aircraft as the British had in theatre.
When the British landed at San Carlos, Argentina claimed they were “thrown back into the sea with heavy losses”, according to the British they landed 6,000 men in a night without a single casualty.
In fact Argentina was winning the war right up untill they surrendered.
The ships used to repatriate the Argeninian troops after the surrender were all ship they claimed to have sunk.
You wonder why the British don't believe anything you say.
You are living in land stolen from indigenous peoples that Argentine forces murdered while forging your country.
GO HOME (to spain or wherever your ancestors cam from)!
Oh by the way, Cero, your colony in 1833 was evicted because WE DID NOT RECOGNISE YOUR RIGHT TO CLAIM OUR LAND. YOU TRIED TO “STEAL” THE FALKLANDS FROM US WHILE WE WERE'NT LOOKING.
I hope the big text got the message over.
You have failed before and you will fail again.
You shall not pass...............
How is Argentina different in your charge of “murder” against natives in it's history from:
Antigua & Barbuda, Barbados, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Curacao, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Grenada, Guatemala, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Jamaica, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Saint Kitts & Nevis, Saint Vicent and the Grenadines, Saint Lucia, Surinam, Trinidad & Tobago, Uruguay, Venezuela
how?
Thank you.
''How is Argentina different in your charge of “murder” against natives''
No different, except that Argentina wants to turn the clock back to 1833 to right a past grievance. None of those countries is accusing anyone of 'piracy' and being 'squatters'.
The rest of the world accepts that things move on, things happened in history that wouldn't happen now, but you can't put them 'right' by persecuting remote descendents 200 years later.
All we are saying is that if you want to go back to 1833, you will find yourselves with a few issues of your own to deal with. It would be the fair thing to do.
The future is now what counts,
The islanders have stated publicly and to the UN and to the free world, that they freely wish to be British, and that really is the end of it, is it not,
They will remain British ,until they other wise change their minds,
Argentina on the other hand, can either dwell on the past, or catch up with modern democracies and understandings, and either except their decision, or take it to the ICJ ,
Anything else is purely folly on their part .
HMS Turbulent/Tireless/ Torbay/Trenchant/Talent/Truimph. Armed with up to 30 cruise missiles and spearfish torpedoes each
Total cruise missiles/torpedoes = 218.
Will the Falklands will remain free. You decide.
We are talking about 2012, not the 19th or early 20th centuries.
You are trying to do exactly the same as you accused us off. The fact that we both carried out colonialism in the past does not exonerate you from what you did then either.
OK,
9,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.
8,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999.
8,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,998.
8,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,997.
etc, etc, etc, ad infitum
What, Argentina has disappeared?
Oh Well.♥
There are now up to 9 generations at least amongst the Falkland Islanders, i can't remember reading anything about any generations of any Spanish people or otherwise ever settling there, just convicts and associated staff. Do come back to me if you have anything else to convince me that the Falkland Islanders have no right to self determination, until then shut up! you mention people shouting from the rooftops, all the Argentines ever do is shout , like a spoilt child who is never going to get it's own way! deal with it!
LONG LIVE THE BRITISH FALKLAND ISLANDS
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