Wednesday, January 25th 2012 - 23:51 UTC

UK says Falklands’ self determination is a universal right enshrined in UN charter

The UK will not negotiate the Falklands/Malvinas Islands sovereignty “until the Islander so wish to” said on Wednesday a spokesperson from the Foreign Office.

As the Falklands conflict anniversary approaches, so does rhetoric

This year marks the 30th anniversary of the Falklands conflict when Argentine military invaded the South Atlantic Islands (April 2) to be ousted 74 days later by a British task force, but the exchange between Argentina and the UK has been escalating significantly as the anniversary approaches.

The officer was responding to a question on the Caribbean Community, Caricom, statement agreed last Sunday in the Caribbean island of Grenada which included a 16 points plan, among which a specific support for the Falklands right to self determination.

“To support the principle and the right to self determination for all peoples, including the Falkland Islanders, recognising the historical importance of self-determination in the political development of the Caribbean, and its core status as an internationally agreed principle under the United Nations Charter”, said the declaration.

The Caricom move by the Foreign Office is partly seen as an effort to counter the latest support decision for Argentina’s Malvinas sovereignty claim from Mercosur members (Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay) agreed last December in Montevideo and which consists in barring Falklands flagged vessels from docking in regional ports.

The Argentine government insists in its sovereignty claim over the Falklands and has adopted a policy of isolating the Islands from South America.

Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Dominica, Grenada, Guyana, Haiti, Jamaica, St Kitts & Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent & Grenadines, Surinam, Trinidad-Tobago and Montserrat are members of Caricom.

“The relation of the UK with the Overseas Territories is a modern relation based on partnership, shared values and the right to self determination and if they so wish to retain a link with the UK”, pointed out the Foreign Office spokesperson.

And “this is so much valid and true for the Falklands as it is for any other territory”.

“The Falkland Islands are British citizens and will continue to be free to decide on their future, both politically and economically, and all have the right to self-determination enshrined in the UN Charter” indicated the FOC spokesperson.

“Self determination is a universal human right and respect for this right is consecrated in the Charter of the UN as one of the main purposes of the organization”.

The meeting, held in Grenada, was held under the theme “Prosperity Towards Sustainable Growth” and was attended by the UK Government and members of Caricom. Numerous Caribbean Heads of Government and Ministers attended the meeting, with the UK represented by the Foreign Secretary William Hague and Overseas Territories Minister Jeremy Browne as well as Home Office Minister James Brokenshire and Minister of State for International Development Alan Duncan.
 

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1 Lord Ton (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 01:16 am Report abuse
Argentina is innocent!

falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/01/26/argentina-is-innocent/
2 Artillero 601 (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 01:22 am Report abuse
Of course it is your highness ! :-))
3 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 02:08 am Report abuse
Much more than criminal uk......
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!
DOWN with brits Imperialism!!
4 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 04:18 am Report abuse
After the forced expulsion of the population of Chagos from the islands, the islanders were offered no recourse to self-determination.
After the forced expulsion of the population of Malvinas from the islands, the invaders want self-determination for themselves.
Hypocrisy: English disease.
5 Billy Hayes (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 04:43 am Report abuse
UN charter is general legislation.

Falklands/Malvinas general and special resolutions are specific legislation.

Special law derogates general law.
6 Lord Ton (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 05:14 am Report abuse
Down with Argentine Imperialism !!

:-)

Billy - try to know what you're talking about. The UN Charter is a multi-lateral Treay binding its signatories. UN GA Resolutions are merely 'advisory'.

Special law my ar*e !
7 Beef (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 07:05 am Report abuse
If you bunch of imperialists don't like it then take us to court!

Wake me up when you grow a pair.
8 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 08:40 am Report abuse
you bunch of imperialists don't like it then take us to court!

Wake me up when you grow a pair.
You never wanted to go!
Down with brits imperialism!!
Anyway,uk is AlREADY DOWN!!
And you continue with your lies beef! Shame on you!
9 J.A. Roberts (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 08:42 am Report abuse
Alright Billy, show us the particular “special” law which limits any UN Charter rights. The specific resolution which spells out that the Falkland Islanders' right to self determination is limited.
10 lsolde (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 10:11 am Report abuse
Hey Malvinero1,
Ready now, to go to court when you are. Are you scared?
@5 Billy Hayes,
Prove it. And stop lying.
11 Islas Malvinas (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:52 am Report abuse
“UK says Falklands’ self determination is a universal right enshrined in UN charter”.

Does anybody know what the UN istelf says about it?
12 J.A. Roberts (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
Yes Islas Malvinas
www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml

The Purposes of the United Nations are:
“2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples...”
13 Billy Hayes (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 12:42 pm Report abuse
Isolde, I don´t have to prove the law, you can find all Falklands/Malvinas resolutions in the web.

There is a basic principle in common law and in the continental system, specific law derogates general law, and this is the case. As UN says, Falk/Malv is an special and unique case, because of that it has special resolutions that must be follow by the parts; Argentina and UK as UN stats.
14 Islander1 (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 12:57 pm Report abuse
Marcos- please come up with FACT and EVIDENCE that shows the non military civilian sttlers here were evicted by the British as you claim in 1833.
Come up with clear evisence and proof - or SHUT UP!

WE kown that the FACTS - as verifiable by documents in Arg Archives as well as British Archives show that:
The miltia from Buenos Aires were told to leave - and did so

The civilian settlers some of whom had beent here for a year or so- no more - were invited to stay or leave voluntarily of their own free will.
4 people - 2 couples left - one Uruguyan and 1 Breazillian. ALL others stayed on.

Their presence still on the Islands was referred to and written down by Charles Darwin when he visited soem 10-12 years later.

At least one of them - alday- married an English settler - and that family still has descendants here today.

The lasy of the original folk from 1833 dies arounf 1870 and is buried here in Stanley Cemetery,

Now the above are FACTS - easily verifiable.

Now you come up with FACTS and VERIFICATION that support your story - or Shut Up.

Your Comment
15 Conqueror (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 01:12 pm Report abuse
Argentina is innocent!

So was Hitler.

@13 Tell us, Billy boy. Is that “special case” not a determination of the Fourth Committee. A Committee that has NO power. A Committee whose draft resolutions usually don't make it to the General Assembly. And as pointed out @6 GA resolutions are only advisory. Historically, of course, Argentina is notable for ignoring Security Council resolutions. Much like Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi. And we all know what happened to them, don't we?
16 AGCOWES (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 02:18 pm Report abuse
The “self determination of people”, nevertheless their race, creed, origen or who their ancestor are is an essential right of the modern international law of the human rigths which is growing up since the signature of the UN CHARTER in 1948. Even so the 2065 UN RESOLUTION that Argentina invokes to claim negotiations about the Malvinas / Falkland issue, state very clear that the “invitation” to the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom to find a peaceful solution to the problem is ”bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas)” . I know perfectly that my Country ( Argentina) makes a diference between “interest” and “wishes” but this difference is not consistent because under the modern rules of the international humanitarian rights is imposible care the rights of the individuals without ask which they think about which their interest are.
17 Lord Ton (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 02:41 pm Report abuse
Billiouis - you are talking rubbish. The Treaty is what everyone signed, so that makes the Charter binding. UN GA Resolutions are merely advisory.

You need to learn some law!
18 axel arg (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 02:42 pm Report abuse
MORE OF THE TIPICAL PARTIAL TRUTHES.
Like i said in many others comments, it's true that resolution 1514, and the charter of the u. n. have fundaments about self determination, but what your politicians omit, is that both dont let any colonial situation to break the territorial integrity of any country, read resolution 2353 which reffers the gibraltar question, in one of it's paragraphes it describes what's the thought of the u. n respecting the relevancy of territorial integrity.
On the other hand, if the right to self determination is the paramount, and there is not any other alternative than self determination, then ¿why the international comunity voted twice in 1985 against the british proposals about including references of self determintion for this cause, why in 1947 the u. k. didn't include the dispute of the islands, when it proposed argentina to take the question of the dependencies to the court, why the decolonization committe still considers the malvinas-falkland cause like a special colonial situation, why none of the two parts proposes to take the dispute to the court, if the both are so sure of their rights, like they parrot all the time?.
I dont deny that maybe self determination is really applicable for this case, but what is really extrange is that none of them proposes to take the dispute to the court, beyond our wishes the best that we can do, is to investigate, we dont have to buy the partial truthes of the politicians, everybody is intelligent, the only one problem is that some of them dont like to make ample analysis, and prefer to buy partial truthes.
19 ChrisR (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 03:41 pm Report abuse
The next move will be that the war never happened.

It was all somebody else's fault is just one step away.

CFK must be on double strength tablets at the moment.
20 Billy Hayes (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 03:58 pm Report abuse
Interesting reading....common sense, something not so frecuent in this mess.

www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/news/9491129.Ex_diplomat_urges_policy_change_over_the_Falklands/
21 Argie (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 04:32 pm Report abuse
8 Malvinero. It was the US who attacked the Argentine stationed in Malvinas.

The 28th December, 1832, the USN frigate “Lexington” under cover of a French flag to mislead the Argentine population, the pirate USN captain Silas Duncan, under false pretences (what else could be expected coming from an American?) invited aboard to discuss but instead took prisoners Vernet and his second in command. Then, after destroying all installations and small ships by cannonshots, they invited those in the island to surrended and come aboard.

Read it, in Spanish, in es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silas_Duncan
before someone changes all.

The US is saying now that the islands' government and posession is 'de facto' but, do you believe the Americans are, in any way, siding with us?

HAHAHAHA!

It appears that only President Cris is näive enough to believe it.

Chers!
22 Papamoa (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 04:37 pm Report abuse
The Falklanders have decided that they want to be a British Overseas Territory, and they are NOT interested in being an argentine malvenass theme park!!!

Long Live the Falklands.

Down with argentine Colonialism.

End argentine Corruption.
23 Be serious (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
Beautiful flag isn't it.
Still flying high and proud.
24 J.A. Roberts (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
Axel

Resolution 1514 refers to Non Self Governing territories only, not to all countries. Argentina is not a Non Self Governing territory so is not covered by Resolution 1514. The 6th declaration in 1514 is specifically to stop the territorial disruption of countries Non Self Governing territories undergoing decolonisation. That declaration is for a very specific situation.

Resolution 2353 does not change that. The paragraph in Res 2353 which mentions territorial integrity does not change anything, in effect it repeats what I've said above. Countries undergoing decolonisation should have their territorial integrity protected during that process.

Once a country is decolonised, it can do whatever it likes, including splitting up, as long as self determination is respected. There are many cases where this has happened, where due to self determination countries have broken up into smaller portions. Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia are two recent examples. The jurisprudence supports this as well, in the cases of East Timor, Kosovo and more recently in Southern Sudan the ICJ has found that self determination comes ahead of territorial integrity.

Argentina cannot claim that its territorial integrity has been disrupted in the Falkland Islands, because a) the UN does not recognise the Falklands as Argentine territory, and never has and b) it is the Falklands which are undergoing decolonisation, not Argentina. Argentina is not on the list of Non Self Governing territories.
25 briton (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
just who would you belive
the truth
or the argies,
and if the [child] is their standard then they have no hope .
26 zethe (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
J.A. Roberts: Resolution 1514 refers to Non Self Governing territories only, not to all countries. Argentina is not a Non Self Governing territory so is not covered by Resolution 1514.

Love it. +1.
27 ed (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
Hey mate
Are you a Mercopress employee who talk yourself by different names,
or an official from London,or a member from UK unempoyed army.?

I doubt you can answer to me if i ask some questions.
28 Brasileiro (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
UK charter! Charter from colonialists. I dont understand like a civilized people is fool! Much asno! Come on, go back to hell, british. I dont like your presence in our land. Land from Argentina. Go to the hell, demons!!!
29 lsolde (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:34 pm Report abuse
@28 Brasileiro,
You don't make a lot of sense, ldiota.
So when will you go back to Portugal & give Brazil back to the Amerindians,
They probably don't like your presence in their country either & wish that you would go to hell.
You are a fool, niño.
30 Brasileiro (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:36 pm Report abuse
You are old woman, i respect!
31 briton (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 10:34 pm Report abuse
its not your land
and you are not from brazil,
brazilions are respectfull,
not mouthy like you
go back to your hovel .
32 shb (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 10:48 pm Report abuse
@Brasileiro

You really make no sense at all.

Are you using an enigma machine to send your messages?

YOUR EALL YNEE DSOM EPRO FESS IONA LHEL PNOW.
33 Lord Ton (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:22 pm Report abuse
Argentina never managed to gain 'territorial integrity' over the Falklands Axel, so your argument falls at the first hurdle.
34 Villyvonka (#) Jan 27th, 2012 - 12:39 am Report abuse
Fernandez and her fellow Conquistadors are colonialist hypocrites.

Leave the Falklanders alone, they don't want you.
35 Artillero 601 (#) Jan 27th, 2012 - 01:09 am Report abuse
so Isolde taking on the Brazilians now? wow, this woman has some balls :-))
36 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 27th, 2012 - 01:26 am Report abuse
Argentina never managed to gain 'territorial integrity' over the Falklands Axel, so your argument falls at the first hurdle.
AHAHAHHAHHAHAHAH
Who cares...
37 Lord Ton (#) Jan 27th, 2012 - 01:51 am Report abuse
Err ... you do, I assume? After all, it's you that is trying to obtain something that you've never owned, and have no rights to.

If you really don't care, why are you here ??
38 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 27th, 2012 - 03:58 am Report abuse
... you do, I assume? After all, it's you that is trying to obtain something that you've never owned, and have no rights to.

If you really don't care, why are you here
I admit you are a PERSISTANT LIAR
39 lsolde (#) Jan 27th, 2012 - 09:33 am Report abuse
You have proof that he lies?
You have never lied yourself?
Never, ever?
Then you are indeed a saint. l stand in awe :-)))))))))))
40 axel arg (#) Jan 27th, 2012 - 02:15 pm Report abuse
J. A. ROBERT.
I respect your opinion but i dont agree on it, that paragraph of resolution 2353 shows perfectly what's the thought of the u. n respecting the relevancy of territorial integrity, ¿did you read that resolution really?, beside article 7 of resolution 1514 affirms that the territorial integrity of all the countries must be respected, it doesn't reffer only the non-self governing territories. On the other hand, dont include the kosovo case in dispute, because even the court clarified about the exceptionality of the case, beside you didn't answer the 4 questions of my comment 18, it's interesting to know your answer.
On the other hand, i have always wondered why you never accepted to read my investigation, i already explained you why i decided not to publish it on line.
41 briton (#) Jan 27th, 2012 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
all he can do is copy
still a child has to learn .
42 Lord Ton (#) Jan 28th, 2012 - 04:46 am Report abuse
First you have to actually have some 'territorial integrity' Axel. In the case of the Falklands, Argentina never managed to get them into its territory.

Until Argentina can show that the Falklands were a part of its territory (not Spain's), your argument goes nowhere!
43 Pirat-Hunter (#) Jan 28th, 2012 - 09:51 am Report abuse
yes we agree that british illegal aliens have all the rights to determine anything they want in UK but in islas Malvinas Argentina they have as much rights as a Mexican in USA or a gypsy in UK, even Australia still burns or sinks pirat ships,a lot of UK's stands is bias, deport all this squatters from islas Malvinas Argentina simple ! nobody likes illegal aliens, squatters or pirats.
44 Lord Ton (#) Jan 28th, 2012 - 11:25 am Report abuse
Quite right Prat - in the Falklands you have as much right as Mexico!
45 briton (#) Jan 28th, 2012 - 11:39 am Report abuse
Pirat-Hunter ,,, all humans have rights,
but as you are not human,
you do not .
46 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 28th, 2012 - 12:31 pm Report abuse
Pirat-Hunter ,,, all humans have rights,
but as you are not human,
you do not
Except the chimp like you britton....
47 briton (#) Jan 28th, 2012 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
rather a chimp that a coward
a copier and yellow, you lost tosser
48 lsolde (#) Jan 28th, 2012 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
@46 Malvinero1,
Don't you like chimps, signor?
They share 97% of their DNA with humans.
l think, however that malvinistas are lower down the scale than chimps!
49 axel arg (#) Jan 28th, 2012 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
LORD-TON:
Read again my work, specialy the susession of states, which was writen by a professor of public international right, and read also my final analysis, i can't repeat all the arguments here.
50 Pirat-Hunter (#) Jan 28th, 2012 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
talking about Mexico is a good start to explain the rights of british illegal aliens in Islas Malvinas Argentina. I support all rights of british illegal aliens in UK lets just hope when they get back to UK they don't become like IRA.
51 briton (#) Jan 29th, 2012 - 01:42 am Report abuse
48 lsolde thank you,

And thank goodness they will never ger their hands on the islands .
52 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 30th, 2012 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
48 lsolde thank you,

And thank goodness they will never ger their hands on the island
AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHA
The island,you mean uk??I would not dream to go to a stupid liar,law breaker country like uk.....
1825 Treaty of commerce and frienship between uk and Argentina....
Argentina helping uk with volunters in both WW wars.
Over 5000 Argentines helping the brits in the war.
The RAF Argentine British squadron# 164
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N4cIh__tnc

britton: You are dumber than a chimp!
53 Be serious (#) Jan 30th, 2012 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
Not being ungrateful or anything but the Argentine contribution to the Allied war effort in both World Wars was next to zero. Hate to say this but you were actually more trouble than you were worth.

Perhaps you figured more for the for the Facist Axis powers of Italy and Germany even Spain?

Was interested to learn recently about the soldiers who left the Irish Army so they could join up and fight for Britain against the facists. On their return they suffered terrible prejudice from the Irish State. These are the people that truly deserve our thanks and gratitude.
54 briton (#) Jan 30th, 2012 - 07:48 pm Report abuse
Malvinero1
And you are a stupid little child who just won’t grow up,
But if your ok with all the bloggers laughing at you,
That’s your business, so continue your childish insults,
As this is one toy, you will never own .
and the British Falklands will always be something you will never get,
55 mendoc (#) Jan 31st, 2012 - 10:31 pm Report abuse
4 Marcos Alejandro

“ After the forced expulsion of the population of Malvinas from the islands, the invaders want self-determination for themselves.
Hypocrisy: English disease.”

They (whalers, gauchos, pirates) were on the islands illegally. The British expelled them together with the USA. then Re asserted it's claim.
56 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 01st, 2012 - 01:27 am Report abuse
Not being ungrateful or anything but the Argentine contribution to the Allied war effort in both World Wars was next to zero. Hate to say this but you were actually more trouble than you were worth
Ok be serious.I got you.Next time we will figth the brits....
57 Braedon (#) Feb 01st, 2012 - 08:30 am Report abuse
@56

Actually you failed at that even more. Argentina's military history has been one long record of failure ever since you intentionally used your black population as cannon fodder through sickeningly disproportionate conscription, and used them to fight your war of independence against Spain, and just about every war for the next few decades.

Hell the only success you enjoyed was in mass extermination campaigns against unarmed civilians and natives who resisted you stealing their land, but the moment you fought someone who knew how to fight, you were humiliated, and have spent thirty years crying like a spineless wretch about how you were victimized.

this is also why you spend near equal amounts of time gloating over Spain winning two minor battles in south america against Britain during the Napoleonic wars.

amazing how extreme nationalism can cause such delusions of grandeur/importance

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