Thursday, January 26th 2012 - 18:58 UTC

MP proposes British Overseas Territories be represented in Westminster

Conservative backbench MP Andrew Rosindell has called for the Isle of Man and other Crown Dependencies and British Overseas Territories, including the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands to be represented in Westminster.

Gilbert House, seat of the Falklands Elected Legislative Assembly

In a submission to the UK Parliament’s Backbench Business Committee, Mr Rosindell said it was wrong that Britain’s dependencies were ultimately governed by the UK parliament, but were given no voice at all.

He told the committee: ‘The UK, our Government, our Parliament, ultimately governs 21 territories around the world, but those territories have no voice in this Parliament.

‘They elect no representatives and have no representation, unlike former colonies and territories of other countries, such as Australia, Denmark, France and the Netherlands, which have external territories committees to which representatives are elected.’

The Romford MP, who chairs the UK’s All-Party Parliamentary Group on the British Overseas Territories, continued: ‘We give our 21 territories nothing. All they have is an informal all-party group, of which I am proud to be chairman.

‘We have a democratic hole, with hundreds of thousands of people for whom we make laws, whom we ultimately govern and on whose behalf we can declare war, make foreign policy and sign international treaties. We have substantial control over their domestic affairs. Those territories that have sterling are bound by much of our own economic policy.

‘In a range of areas, although the Crown Dependencies and Overseas Territories are not part of the UK they are substantially influenced and ultimately governed by this Parliament, so it is wrong for them to have no voice at all.’

Mr Rosindell insisted on a debate on a ‘whole load of issues relating to our territories and dependencies’.

He suggested that this, the year of the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee, was an appropriate time to establish the principle that ‘at the very least’ the UK Parliament gives recognition to these jurisdictions.

‘Our 21 territories deserve to be given that kind of recognition and I hope the committee will give that due consideration,’ he emphasized.

The Crown Dependencies include Isle of Man and Channel Islands: Baliwick of Jersey, Baliwick of Guernsey (includes Guernsey and its dependencies) while the Overseas Territories are Anguilla, Bermuda, British Antarctic Territory, British Indian Ocean Territory, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Montserrat, Pitcairn, Henderson, Ducie and Oeno Islands, St Helena and St Helena Dependencies (Ascension and Tristan da Cunha), South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands, Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia and The Turks & Caicos Islands

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1 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
“Argentina doesn't have military power to seize the Falklands says defence minister”
Who's talking about war Brit?

“The RAF is cut in half, the Royal Navy is emasculated; we do not have the capability in this country to do the things we have always done.”
Will that be taking another country land without permission or legal right and without intending to return it?
2 Crackpot (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
@1: MAl “Who's talking about war Brit?”

Correct. Argentina doesn't do war. They just go on “military adventures”. How jolly.
3 J.A. Roberts (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 08:06 pm Report abuse
The RAF cut in half and the Royal Navy emasculated? Do you have any evidence to support that Marcos?
4 Frank (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
“Will that be taking another country land without permission or legal right and without intending to return it?”

No, thats what RG diegos do.....
5 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 08:47 pm Report abuse
Overhelming support for Malvinas at the EU..
Lobby for EU declaration of support of the Falklands as a British Overseas Territory
Responsible department: Foreign and Commonwealth Office

In response to Mercosur's ban on all shipping flying the Falkland's flag in their ports and Argentina's continued efforts to isolate the Falkland Islands, we the undersigned request that the British government lobbies the European Union for a formal declaration of support for the Falkland Islands as a British Overseas Territory and to demand the lifting of all Mercosur sanctions against the Falkland Islands. The population of the Falkland Islands wishes to remain British, but Argentina is successfully mobilising support against this, both from Latin America and the USA. Britain needs to pursue support for its claim. In considering this request, the EU should consider the wishes of the population of the Falklands and also the value of the Falkland Islands' resources, oil and gas in particular, as part of the EU economy.
The petition got overhelming support: 18 PEOPLE!!

Soo the petition is not about the islander,but the resources......selfdetermiantion...AHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAH!
6 briton (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
the child utters
back to the nusery
no ones listening
7 ed (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
Casa Grande.
8 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
3 J.A. Roberts
Read the link I posted at @1(Gerald Howarth, a Defence Minister, has claimed)
9 J.A. Roberts (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
Actually it was a statement by James Gray Marcos, an opinion, not fact.
10 briton (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 10:44 pm Report abuse
these kids belive anything nowdays .
11 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 10:45 pm Report abuse
I totally agree with you this time J.A., British military capabilities to bomb civilians still doing fine.
12 JustinKuntz (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:01 pm Report abuse
BTW in UN terms representation at Westminster would be decolonisatio, its integration with the parent state. The C24 would be obliged to remove them from the list.

I can hear the wailing and whining now.
13 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:22 pm Report abuse
14 JustinKuntz (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:28 pm Report abuse
I forgot to mention the feigned indifference to cover up the gnashing of teeth.
15 briton (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:35 pm Report abuse
Marcos Alejandro
That is exactly what Argentina will do, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Once incorporated within the UK wholly,
Would it not be true, that this crap from Argentina would in fact be an act of aggression against the UK , would it not .

16 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:40 pm Report abuse
These kids belive anything nowdays ”.
Yes chipton.even that uk is going to make it this century.....
Tanks God! One of the biggest graces done to me...
17 Teaboy2 (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:55 pm Report abuse
@16 Where all glad you don't live in the UK. Its bad enough having to read all the crap you drivel on about on here. Without having to listen to it in person.
18 briton (#) Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:56 pm Report abuse
you never took the bet,
you dont want the bet,
you dont like the odds
you dont like the outcome
children who bet , can expect to lose .
19 Lord Ton (#) Jan 27th, 2012 - 01:18 am Report abuse
Apparently Argentina poses no threat !
20 dreyfoss (#) Jan 27th, 2012 - 01:49 am Report abuse
“Argentina doesn't have military power to seize the Falklands says defence minister”

“We are not part of any country's invading strike force,” Mrs Kirchner said in a swipe at Britain's international military role.
“Our armed forces only take part in peacekeeping missions. And that is a political decisions of democratic governments since 1983.”

“Complacency over the Falklands could cost Britain dear
The mandarins in Whitehall should take more seriously Argentina's renewed interest in the South Atlantic islands.”

“Once again, Britain must show Argentina that it is a serious nation
We are in danger of losing the prestige that victory in the Falklands conflict brought.”
21 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 27th, 2012 - 04:15 am Report abuse
you never took the bet,
you dont want the bet,
you dont like the odds
you dont like the outcome
children who bet , can expect to lose
Ho yeahhh chimpton: I told you I bet 1000 to 1!
Are in for that????
22 Rhaurie-Craughwell (#) Jan 27th, 2012 - 10:22 am Report abuse
Bravo a fine statement and about time, an added bonus would be that the Falklands would thus be an integral part of the United Kingdoms territory, and thus any attempt by Argentina to exercise control over the Falklands would be a violation of the territorial integrity of the UK as stated by resolution 1514 (not my words but Argentinas tee hee!)....oh and added to that we would also have the self-determination argument.

Now why the sudden furoe over the Falklands by the Argentine political elite? Nothing to do with that fact that they have taken a page out of Gordon Browns monetary policy (borrow lots of money in the run up to the election and bribe the electorate with generous but unsustainable social policy) and are now running a deficit of $22 billion and have all but wiped out their budget surplus of $25 billion from the previous year!
23 Viva Las Falklands (#) Jan 27th, 2012 - 01:38 pm Report abuse
@20 It's a shame the Argentinee government of 1982 didn't feel the same. “Argentina doen't do war now because it knows it is in the wrong”
“military adventure” more like Argentine nationalist agression slapped in the face. This report sounds like a whitewash to find a scapegoat.
24 ChrisR (#) Jan 27th, 2012 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
If the Falklands Islanders (there are no Malvinas) think this is a good idea then so be it, should it come about.

But a word of warning: having a vote in The House is no guarantee that anything will happen given the recent history our our 'Glorious Leader' over the referendum on the membership of the EU.
25 briton (#) Jan 27th, 2012 - 07:49 pm Report abuse
you have 4 days left
start to pack your bags,
the end of the month is due, and you lost again .
26 BritishguyfromLondon (#) Jan 29th, 2012 - 02:28 pm Report abuse
What a good idea. Representation in the house of commons would finally end this pointless debate. The Falklands would become an integrated part of the United Kingdom. Then any attack on the Islands would be an attack on British national territory, and NATO would be obliged to assist us in the unlikely event that the outdated and poorly funded Argentine military managed to overcome the Falkland Island's formidable defences. It would be over in a matter of days. Getting representation in Parliament would also give the Falklanders more of a say in the UK as a whole, and allow them to further their own economic interests, creating more prosperity for the islands as a whole.
27 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 29th, 2012 - 04:40 pm Report abuse
Too bad that Argentina has also representation in European Parliament..Not to mention like 1 million Argentinian with dual citicenship.Spanish,Italian,German,British, who is going to risk to go against these voters?? 1 million against 2000..?/ Just do the math brits fools..
BTW..Did you brits guys are learning Chinese and getting out of the black hole of england???
I love this stupid decadent brits...All europeans are feed up of Malvinas and the british handling....Even in the conservative party thay are thinking how get rid of the islands...Not to mention France,Spain,Italy...remember the'80 the brits wanted to get rid of that stupid islands...
28 zethe (#) Jan 29th, 2012 - 05:27 pm Report abuse
The above poster has clearly demonstrated that he knows literally nothing.
29 briton (#) Jan 29th, 2012 - 07:41 pm Report abuse
agreed [again]
30 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 29th, 2012 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
The above poster has clearly demonstrated that he knows literally nothing.29 briton (#)
agreed [again]
The above poster shown You are nothing guys....
31 shb (#) Jan 29th, 2012 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
I have long thought that giving the falklanders and citizens in the other overseas territories a proper say in parliament is a good idea, as long as the affected populations are happy with becoming a formal part of the UK.
32 briton (#) Jan 30th, 2012 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
,.And they probably will,
Then Argentina will never get them let alone insult them like children all the time

Perhaps it should be implemented as soon as .
33 Teaboy2 (#) Jan 31st, 2012 - 07:21 am Report abuse
@27 - “Too bad that Argentina has also representation in European Parliament”

Funny, because in order to have an MEP in European Parliment you must be an EU country and in Europe. Last time i checked Argentina was not an EU country and was in Latin America. You know sweet f all, and have just proven what a lot of us have known for a long time...Well done idiot.

“Not to mention like 1 million Argentinian with dual citicenship.Spanish,Italian,German,British,French”

They are irelevant, as they have no say in determining the falkland islands future and only UK citizens residing in the UK at time of voting are eligible to vote if it even went to a public/national vote, which i doubt it would. Execpt for in the Falkland Islands.

“I love this stupid decadent brits...All europeans are feed up of Malvinas and the british handling....Even in the conservative party thay are thinking how get rid of the islands...Not to mention France,Spain,Italy...remember the'80 the brits wanted to get rid of that stupid islands...”

One all Europeans hate argentinian cry babies (grow up they say). Two the conservative party are not thinking about how to get rid of the islands, they are clearly considering making them a formal part of the UK itself as shown in the article above (leanr to read before you post numb nuts) and 3, yes you would have got the islands back in the 80's but then you stupid dumb idiots decided to invade and ruined any chance of ever getting the islands. So the stupid ones are not us, but really its argentina and yourself that is the stupid dumb idiots here.

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