US disregards Argentine claim of UK’s Falklands’ and South Atlantic ‘militarization’
It took a couple of days but finally on Wednesday US State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland said the US “has no concerns” about the alleged ‘militarization’ of the South Atlantic which was denounced by Argentina last week before the United Nations at three different levels.
Further more Ms Nuland said the US “does not have any reason to question” the alleged British ‘militarization’ of the South Atlantic.
“The UK has made clear to us and to the Argentines that what they are engaged in, in a naval capacity is normal and is typical for this time of year. So we don’t have any reason to question that”, said Ms Nuland.
The previous week the State Department spokesperson was unable to answer the question in an exchange at the daily briefing with the media.
“Are you concerned at all about a militarization of the South Atlantic? Regardless of the claims over the Falklands, are you concerned about the deployment, the British deployment of troops? Do you agree with the Argentine president that this is creating tensions?”
Ms Nuland admitted she was not in a position “to comment one way or the other on what the British may or may not be doing in the oceans. Frankly, I don’t have the information, so I’m going to send you to the Department of Defense on that”.
Likewise regarding the deployment of the Prince of Wales to the Falklands with the SAR helicopter crew, Ms Nuland replied that “they did, as part of his normal work”.
The State Department position was not well received by Argentine authorities according to the Buenos Aires media basically because last week’s statement by Ms. Nuland reiterating the US position describing the dispute as “bilateral” and “calling for (UK/Argentina) negotiations” was considered a big plus for the government of President Cristina Fernandez and even possibly, a behind the scene involvement of Washington pressing on London.
“Our policy is unchanged. We believe that this is a bilateral issue that needs to be worked out directly between Argentina and the United Kingdom. That’s what we are encouraging both sides to do as we head towards this anniversary”.
Likewise “we are encouraging Argentina and the UK to work this out peacefully, to work it out through negotiations”.
This week Minister of Foreign Affairs Hector Timerman announced that Argentina had officially accepted UN mediation in the Falklands/Malvinas dispute, following on last week’s presentation of the alleged ‘militarization’ of the Falklands and the South Atlantic by the British government.
The Argentine media also speculates that US government position could also have consequences for any consideration of the dispute and the ‘militarization’ claims in the Security Council. In effect UK is one of five with veto power, and these latest statements could be indicating the US reluctance to help press the issue.
On Tuesday the White House said President Obama had a phone conversation with British PM David Cameron, but the issues addressed were “Afghanistan and Syria”.
However PM Cameron did address the issue in a long phone call with Chilean President Sebastian Piñera, a day ahead of Wednesday’s announcement that President Cristina Fernandez will be visiting Chile in mid March.
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*slams door*
* silence*
Don’t you just love it when this country and its President comes out and does something like this (snigger, snigger snigger)
This just informs you that regardless of how dodgy your history is, if you have a few dollars in the bank account, ladies will come a running. It's in their psychology.
“Oh, he didn't hit me, I just ran into his fist” *counts the money*
Considering that there is more than sufficient forces (1400 personal) to deter any act of Piracy from a certain country (called argentina for those with diminished mental ability).
Long Live the Falklands.
Down with argentine Colonialism.
Ogaga?
Pratt-Junta
I feel a bit like Romeo who has lost Juliet: where for art thee Argies?
Please excuse my frivolity, but you have to laugh.
”...reiterating the US position describing the dispute as “bilateral” and “calling for (UK/Argentina) negotiations”
“ Our policy is unchanged. We believe that this is a bilateral issue that needs to be worked out directly between Argentina and the United Kingdo.”
As well as United Nations (UN), C-24 comitte of descolonization, OAS, UNASUR and complete LatAM......no one is recognizing that the islanders are a 3rd valid and legal party in this conflict ....
ergo, nobody supports self-determination of islanders wchich they already are british...no necessity of a new self-determination.
this is clear like the water........except UK and becasue his interest NOBODY support self determination in Malvinas issue.
FACT 100%
You read into statements what you are hoping to hear and not what is being said. Your country has done this time and again since WW2, why you haven't learned is beyond the pale. It can't be just plain stupidity it must be arrogance and stupidity combined in a volatile mixture that gets you into trouble every time.
Even Chavez isn't actually interested in the Falklands - he is just hijacking it as part of his own “Bolivar Revolution” agenda.
If he had his way it would be the United States of South America with no prizes for guessing who the eternal president would be.
“We find this whole thing quite dull and have no interest in talking about it. If we do talk about it then some bright spark will just bring up Manifest Destiny and point out that US expansion is an inexorable part of our future. So on the whole it's better just not to talk about it”
”...reiterating the US position describing the dispute as “bilateral” and “calling for (UK/Argentina) negotiations” DON'T GIVE A SH*TE.
“ Our policy is unchanged. We believe that this is a bilateral issue that needs to be worked out directly between Argentina and the United Kingdo.” DON'T GIVE A SH*TE.
As well as United Nations (UN), C-24 comitte of descolonization, OAS, UNASUR and complete LatAM......no one is recognizing that the islanders are a 3rd valid and legal party in this conflict .... DON'T GIVE A SH*TE.
Are you getting the picture? Or do we need to stamp on your face again?
If you do not understand a few simple lines, fewer will understand a long explanation.
There is nothing I can do to improve your ability to understand, sorry
Just for moment look at the American military presents around the world, that tell us again abt the British military,
If the USA backed you to remove military assets from the south Atlantic, then she would probably have to do the same, around the world,
Now what more important to the Americans, their immense power,, or argentines feelings,
Face facts, despite your diehard bloggers attempts to persuade you all, the fact is, Argentina is just sabre rattling, and soon it will just fizzle out,.
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If you're suggesting that the Falklands sovereignty and democratic freedoms be transferred from the Islanders to the state of Argentina to become a new colony subjugated to their rule, then I'm pretty sure that goes against everything the UN stands for.
but if you truly belive in dictatorship, then you are wrong.
They should have relinquished the island,and ended their occupation of Argentina's territory and the population could have self-determined whether to stay British in Argentina or vacate their occupation of the islands.Now yoghurt,there are other ways a settlement might be achieved,but it needs negotiating and at present the UK won't do that because their occupiers are being used as a shield,a human shield if you like.
“and ended their occupation of Argentina's territory” >> No one is occupying your territory. The Falkland Island certainly aren't yours, and they never have been, as provable by objective historical fact.
“the population could have self-determined whether to stay British in Argentina” >> By the technical definition of colony, that's called creating a colony or colonisation. You're basically saying that Argentina should go around colonising people, which goes against the Charter of the UN.
“or vacate their occupation of the islands” >> That's called ethnic cleansing. Outside of Argentina, it's generally seen as morally reprehensible.
“it needs negotiating” >> There doesn't appear to be anything to negotiate, like you don't negotiate with someone demanding that you give them your watch.
“their occupiers are being used as a shield,a human shield if you like.” >> It's actually a type 45 destroyer, of which we have 3.
Seriously, is this what the political ideology of an unhinged madman does to people?
How DARE you answer the fabled Yuleno!!!!
He has god on his side you know as well as more than two brain cells.
Trouble is, he doesn't use them. :o)
They should have ended their disgraceful practise of colonialism totally
The Malvinas where colonised in 1833
The fact they didn't means they continued to occupy
They are refusing to negotiate
They use the people occupying the territory as their reason.
ChrisR doesn't contradict any of that,but he will now,no doubt
then other may well follow suit and give back to the original owners,
and the british falklands will remain british,
alone with patagonia perhaps .
“They should have ended their disgraceful practise of colonialism totally” >> You should sort out your own colonial ambitions first.
“The Malvinas where colonised in 1833” >> Lack of fact. Illegal squatters were ejected in 1833, they had no permission by the landowner to be there.
“The fact they didn't means they continued to occupy” >> This makes no sense.
“They are refusing to negotiate” >> There is nothing to negotiate.
“They use the people occupying the territory as their reason” >> We don't use the people occupying the territory for anything, they use us for defence and foreign relations.
I hope this helps you. I doubt it will because your brain is cottage cheese from being lobotomised with revisionist history books in School.
after all are they not 1/2 way there,
i just cant understand why the UN has not refered them to the ICJ ,
or was this part of there complaint,,
if they think they are right, [prove it] as they cannot,??
However, having a row of judges laughing at you is not going to be easy for them.
'We don't use the people occupying the territory for anything, they use us for defence and foreign relations'
The UK does not consider that as being used,but as something else
Your response lacks a simple logic and is merely rhetoric.
There is no lack of facts, you are the person who lacks the facts.
You shouldn't reveal your weaknesses
That's not a weakness, it's a strength. Then if they become independent, we're still friends, trade and have mutual prosperity.
The other comments made were that they recognize the 'de facto' British administration. This means 'in fact, whether right or not', and is clearly another political move to attempt not to take sides.
I'm confident that should push come to shove, our allies wouldn't let us down. But they clearly have to keep out of it for now, as its not their argument which is fair enough. I respect that the US is not there to baby sit the UK in all of its matters, and the US has its own issues to deal with. I also respect the very real fact that we have been there for each other a lot over the years, and any Argentinian that can't see that is deluded.
Oh, and law is one thing we do have on our side with regard to the Falklands.
If that was the case you would have taken this to the ICJ. You clearly are deluded. Taking this issue to the ICJ would be quite possibly the most stupid thing Argentina could do short of blowing it self up.
This is why Argentina makes noise about the issue rather than take it to the ICJ. The UK would by law have to accept the case and it's decision as final.
No ICJ is ever going to force a group of people into subjugation or into a colonial situation they do not wish upon them, It's just not going to happen.
The two main points in the case would obviously be
- Self Determination
- Territorial integrity
This is Argentina's massive great weakness. Both are human rights.
The islanders simply have Self Determination because they are Human Beings, They need not prove this as they are, Human. Argentina has to convince the court that somehow laws are retroactive(They aren't.) and the islanders broke there territorial integrity 100 years before territorial integrity existed as a concept(Not much evidence here, either).
Then they have to try and convince the court that Argentina's Territorial integrity somehow is more important than the Self Determination of a peaceful population who have lived on those islands for longer than any group of people in the history of this world.
And then they have to convince a court that they should be allowed to Annex these islands and it's population into it's country by force. Subjugating the people to foreign rule, Colonialism.
To say it would be an uphill battle would be a rather large understatement.
And then there's the people of countries like the Maoris ,the aborigines and the Kivu.Strange how you can wrap things, yogurt .
Secondly it's kind of hilarious that a goverment that pays a pension to state-sponsored international terrorists (the Condors) would somehow think they have the moral high ground. We all know what happened in september 11th, so why would you folks who pension terrorists off, think that people want to side with you over anything.
Hilarious and tragically pathetic all at the same time.
My bad, i was rather hungover at the time.
The past is dead,
Concentrate on the present and future,
The islands are British, end of .
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