MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
US disregards Argentine claim of UK’s Falklands’ and South Atlantic ‘militarization’
It took a couple of days but finally on Wednesday US State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland said the US “has no concerns” about the alleged ‘militarization’ of the South Atlantic which was denounced by Argentina last week before the United Nations at three different levels. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulessex pistols - friggin in the riggin
Feb 16th, 2012 - 04:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV6R0I2oHKY
Ms Nuland: “Forking Falklands, I was having a Forking sandwich just then, it was a really nice sandwich and the bread was really really nice, and then you forking make me come in here and talk about the forking falklands. I frankly don't care one jot about the forking falklands.”
Feb 16th, 2012 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0*slams door*
* silence*
Never mind they have still have a washed up drug taking wife beater of a film star to come out and say Argentina forever don’t they (snigger) trust them even to get that bit of propaganda wrong, who would ask and pay a washed out drug taking wife beater who the world actually does not give a shit about to come and shout the praises of a country. Yes, folks give a big hand forrrrrrrr Mrs Cristina Fernandez President of the banana state of Argentina.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t you just love it when this country and its President comes out and does something like this (snigger, snigger snigger)
I'm waiting for Kim Jong Un to wade into the debate supporting Argentine pretensions.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3 maybe she is just attracted to wife beaters .. she was married to one.....
Feb 16th, 2012 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3,4 What amazes me is that with his prior history of beating ladies, Scarlett Johansson was keen as mustard for a bit of Mr Penn.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0This just informs you that regardless of how dodgy your history is, if you have a few dollars in the bank account, ladies will come a running. It's in their psychology.
“Oh, he didn't hit me, I just ran into his fist” *counts the money*
This should just PROVE to argentina that there is NO repeat NO UK military build up in the South Atlantic or the Falklands!!!!!
Feb 16th, 2012 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Considering that there is more than sufficient forces (1400 personal) to deter any act of Piracy from a certain country (called argentina for those with diminished mental ability).
Long Live the Falklands.
Down with argentine Colonialism.
It is of no surprise that the US has taken this view. Maybe if the Argentinian government stood behind its debts and obligations other nations who were burned would listen to their pleas.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whoops! Argieland in the sh*t again. Looks like Obama isn't really ready to piss on his closest ally in favour of a bankrupt bunch of gangsters. Wonder if someone suggested that his closest ally's troops, aircraft and naval forces could be gone in a week? Never to return and never to support US activities in the future.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I have said MANY MANY TIMES, the USA will never go against the UK in support of Argentina. State and Prez think RGs are whiny, bothersome children. Just like in the 80s RGs are misreading the signals to their embarrassment/demise.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would love to see an Argentinian point of view on this...
Feb 16th, 2012 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well thats the end of that then. Looks like your on your own Argentina.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isolated again, what was it the Numpty Argentine bloggers were saying for weeks now, oh that's right the USA was behind them in everything that they wanted to achieve. HELLO Argentine WANKER bloggers have you got up yet as it’s very quiet in here today.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, I wonder where the fabled Yuleno is on this?
Feb 16th, 2012 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ogaga?
Pratt-Junta
I feel a bit like Romeo who has lost Juliet: where for art thee Argies?
Please excuse my frivolity, but you have to laugh.
Maybe it's the blackouts that are keeping them from posting or maybe its just embarrassment although you would think they would be used to it by now.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0US Position about Malvinas issue :
Feb 16th, 2012 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”...reiterating the US position describing the dispute as “bilateral” and “calling for (UK/Argentina) negotiations”
“ Our policy is unchanged. We believe that this is a bilateral issue that needs to be worked out directly between Argentina and the United Kingdo.”
As well as United Nations (UN), C-24 comitte of descolonization, OAS, UNASUR and complete LatAM......no one is recognizing that the islanders are a 3rd valid and legal party in this conflict ....
ergo, nobody supports self-determination of islanders wchich they already are british...no necessity of a new self-determination.
this is clear like the water........except UK and becasue his interest NOBODY support self determination in Malvinas issue.
FACT 100%
16. Like the most vociferous of your countrymen you do not know how to read the sign nor follow logic. There is NO CONNECTION to be made between saying it is a “bi-lateral issue” and the Faklander's right to self determination. Show me a quote from US State that says that self determination has no bearing on the negotiations.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You read into statements what you are hoping to hear and not what is being said. Your country has done this time and again since WW2, why you haven't learned is beyond the pale. It can't be just plain stupidity it must be arrogance and stupidity combined in a volatile mixture that gets you into trouble every time.
The Argentines do seem to miss the message in the diplomatic language. The message from the rest of the world is “we are not interested in this dispute”
Feb 16th, 2012 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even Chavez isn't actually interested in the Falklands - he is just hijacking it as part of his own “Bolivar Revolution” agenda.
If he had his way it would be the United States of South America with no prizes for guessing who the eternal president would be.
US Position about Malvinas issue :
Feb 16th, 2012 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We find this whole thing quite dull and have no interest in talking about it. If we do talk about it then some bright spark will just bring up Manifest Destiny and point out that US expansion is an inexorable part of our future. So on the whole it's better just not to talk about it”
@16 How can we put this so that you will understand.....
Feb 16th, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”...reiterating the US position describing the dispute as “bilateral” and “calling for (UK/Argentina) negotiations” DON'T GIVE A SH*TE.
“ Our policy is unchanged. We believe that this is a bilateral issue that needs to be worked out directly between Argentina and the United Kingdo.” DON'T GIVE A SH*TE.
As well as United Nations (UN), C-24 comitte of descolonization, OAS, UNASUR and complete LatAM......no one is recognizing that the islanders are a 3rd valid and legal party in this conflict .... DON'T GIVE A SH*TE.
Are you getting the picture? Or do we need to stamp on your face again?
# 17 yankeeboy
Feb 16th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you do not understand a few simple lines, fewer will understand a long explanation.
There is nothing I can do to improve your ability to understand, sorry
The main trouble with kittens, is that the more kitty Kat you give them, the more they expect,
Feb 16th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just for moment look at the American military presents around the world, that tell us again abt the British military,
If the USA backed you to remove military assets from the south Atlantic, then she would probably have to do the same, around the world,
Now what more important to the Americans, their immense power,, or argentines feelings,
Face facts, despite your diehard bloggers attempts to persuade you all, the fact is, Argentina is just sabre rattling, and soon it will just fizzle out,.
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The yanqui have not said they supportive UK.For there own reasons they are not saying anything.That's what is important.They are waiting to see where there best interests lie.How yankeeboy,who leaves for Argentina soon,re-acts to events will be the best manifestation of what he believes,not the imperialist interpretations he puts on things.Trying to be more knowledgeable than we simple people.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where are my compatriots ? this was known, the United States acts in a neutral, it is logical that you should not say that the South Atlantic this militarized, because the UK is working with United States and its troops in many parts of the world, is more than understandable position . I say that acts as a neutral because their statements in some way tend to take position between one party and then the other. I think they do the right thing. about the militarization, from the war that the islands have that defense is not new, nor nuclear weapons is not new. Definitely not been successful to this point to CFK. I have often said that such policies, increases the hatred of the islanders to my country. is a pity. I have planned to visit the islands, I hope to have a nice experience
Feb 16th, 2012 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24 You should just be happy that we partially demilitarised the South Atlantic when helped to take on the belligerent agressors and sank the their ship Belgrano.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@25. Agreed!
Feb 16th, 2012 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0American neutrality on this point is essentially pro-British. The US and the UK have too much in common with respect to military and economic ties. Britain's economy is 6 times larger than that of Argentina and money talks.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0@27 I think the relationship between the UK and USA is essentially they are like our sh!t cousin. You love them and all that, but they're always getting you into fights and doing strange things (supporting the IRA along with Gaddafi's Libya). But fundamentally they're your cousin and when push comes to shove they typically step up to help out (WW2) and you step up to help them out (Korean war), but they will usually make money out of it (WW2).
Feb 17th, 2012 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 027#If the yanqui position is pro-British,why don't they say that clearly as they don't,do they?So,tell me please,how you know they are pro-British and thereby collude in the British keeping the fruits of their colonial past.The reply as to how you know this will be educational for me.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29 What do you mean keeping the fruits of our colonial past? I cannot think of a nation that has decolonised more countries than the UK. It's only really the small countries and territories that are as yet decolonised, but even the falklands had a referendum to choose a unicameral democracy as a part of it's move to self-governing dependency, as laid out by the UN Charter. The UK simply protects the territory and performs duties on foreign representation.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you're suggesting that the Falklands sovereignty and democratic freedoms be transferred from the Islanders to the state of Argentina to become a new colony subjugated to their rule, then I'm pretty sure that goes against everything the UN stands for.
if you truly belive in democracy, then we are correct [are we not]
Feb 17th, 2012 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but if you truly belive in dictatorship, then you are wrong.
One way of looking at things,but there is another way of looking at it.
Feb 18th, 2012 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They should have relinquished the island,and ended their occupation of Argentina's territory and the population could have self-determined whether to stay British in Argentina or vacate their occupation of the islands.Now yoghurt,there are other ways a settlement might be achieved,but it needs negotiating and at present the UK won't do that because their occupiers are being used as a shield,a human shield if you like.
@32 “They should have relinquished the island” >> Relinquished it to whom? The Islanders? We have, they're self-governing with a unicameral democracy.
Feb 18th, 2012 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“and ended their occupation of Argentina's territory” >> No one is occupying your territory. The Falkland Island certainly aren't yours, and they never have been, as provable by objective historical fact.
“the population could have self-determined whether to stay British in Argentina” >> By the technical definition of colony, that's called creating a colony or colonisation. You're basically saying that Argentina should go around colonising people, which goes against the Charter of the UN.
“or vacate their occupation of the islands” >> That's called ethnic cleansing. Outside of Argentina, it's generally seen as morally reprehensible.
“it needs negotiating” >> There doesn't appear to be anything to negotiate, like you don't negotiate with someone demanding that you give them your watch.
“their occupiers are being used as a shield,a human shield if you like.” >> It's actually a type 45 destroyer, of which we have 3.
Seriously, is this what the political ideology of an unhinged madman does to people?
33 GreekYoghurt
Feb 18th, 2012 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How DARE you answer the fabled Yuleno!!!!
He has god on his side you know as well as more than two brain cells.
Trouble is, he doesn't use them. :o)
Yoghurt
Feb 18th, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They should have ended their disgraceful practise of colonialism totally
The Malvinas where colonised in 1833
The fact they didn't means they continued to occupy
They are refusing to negotiate
They use the people occupying the territory as their reason.
ChrisR doesn't contradict any of that,but he will now,no doubt
perhaps if argentina lead by example, and gave back what it took from others,
Feb 18th, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then other may well follow suit and give back to the original owners,
and the british falklands will remain british,
alone with patagonia perhaps .
@35 Thanks for the bullet points, it makes it easier to respond.
Feb 18th, 2012 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“They should have ended their disgraceful practise of colonialism totally” >> You should sort out your own colonial ambitions first.
“The Malvinas where colonised in 1833” >> Lack of fact. Illegal squatters were ejected in 1833, they had no permission by the landowner to be there.
“The fact they didn't means they continued to occupy” >> This makes no sense.
“They are refusing to negotiate” >> There is nothing to negotiate.
“They use the people occupying the territory as their reason” >> We don't use the people occupying the territory for anything, they use us for defence and foreign relations.
I hope this helps you. I doubt it will because your brain is cottage cheese from being lobotomised with revisionist history books in School.
perhaps CFK should put his arguments to the ICJ ,
Feb 18th, 2012 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0after all are they not 1/2 way there,
i just cant understand why the UN has not refered them to the ICJ ,
or was this part of there complaint,,
if they think they are right, [prove it] as they cannot,??
Considering the massive amount of information hiding, refusal to accept basic historical facts and the despotic nature of the Special committee on Decolonisation, I'd say the only option that Argentina has is the ICJ.
Feb 18th, 2012 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, having a row of judges laughing at you is not going to be easy for them.
you have a point .
Feb 18th, 2012 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What you post yoghurt does help me.To see that you hold the islanders in little regard
Feb 18th, 2012 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'We don't use the people occupying the territory for anything, they use us for defence and foreign relations'
The UK does not consider that as being used,but as something else
Your response lacks a simple logic and is merely rhetoric.
There is no lack of facts, you are the person who lacks the facts.
You shouldn't reveal your weaknesses
@41 Nothing new there. That's simply the relationship we have with all of our governing and non-self governing protectorates. We do the defence and foreign representation, they do the rest.
Feb 19th, 2012 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's not a weakness, it's a strength. Then if they become independent, we're still friends, trade and have mutual prosperity.
It is a strength. If I were an Islander, I'd fear any Larin government. Can anyone name one Spanish-speaking country that has not had a military government or dictatorship in living memory? Serious question as their legal system and way of dealing with issues seems to lead to perverse outcomes and instability.
Feb 19th, 2012 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0@43 Gibraltar?
Feb 19th, 2012 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only a colossally stupid person could take 'bilateral' to mean that the US is taking their side. Hence Argentinian morons celebrating the US backing them, when what they're clearly saying is that they don't want to upset anyone by taking sides at this stage.
Feb 20th, 2012 - 05:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0The other comments made were that they recognize the 'de facto' British administration. This means 'in fact, whether right or not', and is clearly another political move to attempt not to take sides.
I'm confident that should push come to shove, our allies wouldn't let us down. But they clearly have to keep out of it for now, as its not their argument which is fair enough. I respect that the US is not there to baby sit the UK in all of its matters, and the US has its own issues to deal with. I also respect the very real fact that we have been there for each other a lot over the years, and any Argentinian that can't see that is deluded.
@44 Touché - although it is probably the only one that is still under British, common law influence.
Feb 20th, 2012 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0This can only mean that USA will be ok with Argentina bulidling their own nuclear defence program to defend main land Argentina from the british nuclear armed terrorists illegally occupying Islas Malvinas Argentina. maybe Argentina can arm their own batch of terrorists to instigate fear in british civilians. in Canada we have deportation orders for armed terrorists. USA execute them anywhere they find them LatinAmerica should do the same with british pirate, illegal aliens and terrorists.
Feb 20th, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47 What the fuck are you talking about, you utter moron. Argentina does not have nukes, it has signed a nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Please keep your stupid ignorant misguided views to yourself if you can't at least find out the facts.
Feb 20th, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, and law is one thing we do have on our side with regard to the Falklands.
“Oh, and law is one thing we do have on our side with regard to the Falklands.”
Feb 20th, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If that was the case you would have taken this to the ICJ. You clearly are deluded. Taking this issue to the ICJ would be quite possibly the most stupid thing Argentina could do short of blowing it self up.
This is why Argentina makes noise about the issue rather than take it to the ICJ. The UK would by law have to accept the case and it's decision as final.
No ICJ is ever going to force a group of people into subjugation or into a colonial situation they do not wish upon them, It's just not going to happen.
The two main points in the case would obviously be
- Self Determination
- Territorial integrity
This is Argentina's massive great weakness. Both are human rights.
The islanders simply have Self Determination because they are Human Beings, They need not prove this as they are, Human. Argentina has to convince the court that somehow laws are retroactive(They aren't.) and the islanders broke there territorial integrity 100 years before territorial integrity existed as a concept(Not much evidence here, either).
Then they have to try and convince the court that Argentina's Territorial integrity somehow is more important than the Self Determination of a peaceful population who have lived on those islands for longer than any group of people in the history of this world.
And then they have to convince a court that they should be allowed to Annex these islands and it's population into it's country by force. Subjugating the people to foreign rule, Colonialism.
To say it would be an uphill battle would be a rather large understatement.
42# friends like Iraq Eygpt and Zimbabwe .
Feb 20th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And then there's the people of countries like the Maoris ,the aborigines and the Kivu.Strange how you can wrap things, yogurt .
@56 I'm only laughing because law is the last thing you have on your side. The UN has already enacted Article 51 to allow UK to use self-defence to protect the islands, they'll do it again too, next time you attack.
Feb 20th, 2012 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Secondly it's kind of hilarious that a goverment that pays a pension to state-sponsored international terrorists (the Condors) would somehow think they have the moral high ground. We all know what happened in september 11th, so why would you folks who pension terrorists off, think that people want to side with you over anything.
Hilarious and tragically pathetic all at the same time.
@49 i'm on your side mate. please re read the post i replied to, then you'll see.
Feb 20th, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@52 I can see what you mean. I think my lazy eye is making me respond to the wrong posts. bad lazy eye.
Feb 20th, 2012 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@49 i'm on your side mate. please re read the post i replied to, then you'll see.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My bad, i was rather hungover at the time.
41@
Feb 21st, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The past is dead,
Concentrate on the present and future,
The islands are British, end of .
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