Argentina now takes Falklands’ dispute to satellite imagery
The Argentine newspaper Ambito Financiero reported on Friday, without revealing sources, that oil exploration rig Leiv Eiriksson, contracted by two oil companies to drill to the south of the Falkland Islands “was found, on Thursday, exploring in Argentine waters”, according to ‘irrefutable’ satellite images.
However Falklands oil industry sources downplayed the news and said that oil rig deployment in the Islands’ water is quite different from what is published from Buenos Aires. “We are quite used to Argentine misinformation and imagination”.
Furthermore “there is a lot of artistic licence put into that (satellite) image - reality is quite different”.
Ambito reports that the Bahamas flagged rig (120 metres long and 89 metres above sea level), together with the Toisa Intrepid and the multipurpose Toisa Sonat “at the end of last month were located very close to the 200 miles from the Argentine continental shelf, which caused alarm among (Argentine) authorities”. Later a third Norwegian flagged salvage vessel, “Ocean Prince”, joined the group.
However, “in recent days both the Leiv Eiriksson and its accompanying vessels violated the borders of Argentina’s Economic Exclusion Zone, EEZ”, having advanced “between 8 to 10 nautical miles beyond the pre-determined limits, to 190 miles off the Argentine coast”, based on images from the Mompesat satellite monitoring system to which “Ambito had access”.
“The oil rig and companion ships spent over 90 hours in that location exploring or carrying out exploratory tasks, which led to speculation that the company is considering a third well, located within Argentine territorial waters”.
“Irrefutable satellite images, reports Ambito, show that on Wednesday the platform was located at the coordinates -53°59’54’7 south -58°76’51’1 west. However, by midday yesterday (Thursday) it had retreated and briefly sailed toward the Islands before dropping anchor at 53°35’44’63 south and 58°45’55’13 west. According to sources with access to the Mompesat satellite monitoring system, the positioning of the platform was brought to the attention of the authorities”.
Ambito continues: “in recent months we detected that they were on the point of violating our economic exclusion zone and for this reason we have been constantly monitoring” said the source.
Meanwhile, sources linked to the Argentine Foreign Affairs Ministry confirmed that this “is not the first time that an oil rig violates the zone limits, although it is the first time that this has happened since the diplomatic conflict bubbled to the surface in January”. According to those sources, “the Ocean Guardian, exploring to the north of the archipelago since 2010 is (was) also positioned within Argentina's continental shelf”.
However the article also partly explains a possible cause for the different interpretation of the limits of the adjoining EEZs.
“For the Argentine state, according to the presentation by COPLA (National Committee for the Exterior Limit of the Continental Shelf) to the United Nations, the continental shelf of a bordering state includes the sea bed and sub-marine layers which extend beyond its territorial sea and across the length of the natural extension of its territory to the outer border of the continental margin, or to a distance of 200 miles counted from the base lines from which the borders of the territorial sea are measured, when the outer border of the continental margin does not reach the same distance.“
However, this position conflicts with the United Kingdom, who, taking the ”bordering state” to be the Falklands/Malvinas Islands, consider a large part of the waters around the Islands to be their EEZ.
The Leiv Eiriksson rig was contracted by Borders & Southern Plc and Falkland Oil and Gas Ltd, both companies licensed by the Falkland Islands government to explore in its jurisdictional waters.
Ambito says that the Argentine Foreign Affairs minister has sent notes of discouragement to the companies involved: to oil companies as well as the accompanying ships and support vessels. But also admits frustration at the lack of echo from the different complaints the Argentine government has sent out, and admits a fundamental problem: “It is the ‘kelper’ (Falklands’) government which awards the exploration licenses and therefore the complaint should be addressed to them, but doing so would in some way acknowledge sovereignty which contradicts the basic (sovereignty) claim”.
Ambito Financiero, a much respected Argentine financial publication following the death of its founder in 2006, finally ended in the hands of Editors Amfin, belonging to Orlando Vignatti, a media investor. Reporting quality remains but far from when it became a reference for the financial community. The group also owns the Buenos Aires Herald.
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Not only are the FI potentially sitting on $180b of oil but they might even be drilling it from RG territory.....ha, ha, ROFL.....
Its time the RG military got the rowing boat, glider and pea shooter out.
Moreover, if you look at the picture it is obvious that everything in that cluster is much nearer to the Falklands than to Argentina, so I suppose that means they are talking bollocks as usual because that would put it well inside the Falklands exclusion zone and not anywhere near the Argie one.
Give up. It isn't yours and never will be. Get over it.
“Peronism says that this is within 200 miles of the blah blah blah blah blah” You walked out of talks on oil discovery and fishing, so just go into the corner and be butthurt.
Credibility of this piece of reporting from a 'much respected' RG journal is somewhere south of zero.
”Argentine Foreign Affairs minister ....... admits frustration at the lack of echo from the different complaints the Argentine government has sent out, and admits a fundamental problem: “It is the ‘kelper’ (Falklands’) government which awards the exploration licenses and therefore the complaint should be addressed to them, but doing so would in some way acknowledge sovereignty which contradicts the basic (sovereignty) claim“”
This is too funny for words....
this is positive poof of colonial pirates attempting to steal out oil.
No Flippo. The only thig this is proof of is how much of a propaganda machine Team KFC is and how much of a clown you are for taking any notice.
Has your government, turned the police on any more Argentine war veterans lately?
Yes, not only are they not sure who to complain to, but they really don't seem sure quite what to base their protest on - either there is a line, one side of which is ours and one theirs (which they incorrectly claim the rig has crossed), or else the waters are all theirs , in which case this rig is no different to the one that has been drilling for the past 2 years, and its exact “satellite image” position is irrelevant. If they are complaining about.
According to this article, the Foreign Affairs ministry says “ it is the first time that this has happened since the diplomatic conflict bubbled to the surface in January” - this seems to imply that the Ocean Guardian was not drilling in Argentine waters - maybe it was in FALKLAND ISLAND waters................
Aint life a BITCH : -))))))))
@7 They weren't war veterans. They were benefit scroungers.
@10 Well spotted! Is the Mompesat satellite contracted to Google? Can't you just imagine some argie Foreign Ministry jerkoff rushing down the corridor to Tinman's office, “Look, boss, what I managed to do! We could even put the rig in downtown Buenos Aires if we want to further claims that they are breaching our territorial integrity!” Sonorous, well-educated British voice: “And do you intend them to strike oil by drilling into the forecourt of a YPF petrol station?”
To quote Malvin
AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
BRAINLESS RETARDS!!!!!
Clearly the Argie idiots think the rest of us are going to be taken in by this nonsense.
Bunch of toerags.
I guess somebody thought that the informational blow-up graphic overlaying the satellite image was the actual location!
“Robar cosas de otras personas”
“Verse 1:
Take... take... take those things that we greedily want,
Greed is the nations pride,
Tell massive lies to pretend that we're not
committing another genocide.
Chorus:
Rise-up Rise up, expand, expand,
Expand into other peoples land,
Under Dear Leader Nestor we'll invade,
and kill all the locals with a spade.”
We drilled into it from our side & pumped up oil from theirs.!
Then refined it into petrol & sold it back to them.
l'd love to see their reactions.
Now that would be like poking a stick through the bars at a tiger.
Not that l'd ever tease one of God's noble creatures like that.
Given that Argentina also claims most of the South Atlantic sea-bed as theirs (it's close to them, therefore it's theirs) , it's quite likely you might drill into fields that sit on both sides. It's not an issue though because by the time they get the ability to realise it, it'll be the year 2300 and we'll all be at war with the Dramajian Space Empire.
“there is a lot of artistic licence put into that (satellite) image - reality is quite different”.
These sentences describes perfectly Argintinas position on this whole issue.
If the rigs were in Argie water then they should challange them, but they can't do anything because the British military protect Falklands waters, this is not going to change.
The only way to deal with Argentina is “talk softly and carry a big stick”, it is the only language the Criollo Banditos understand.
They have run out of South America to steal from the Indians, now they are trying to steal the South Atlantic from the British. Unfortunatly for the Banditos, unlike Atahualpa the British have more than just bows and arrows with which to defend their territory against theiving Conquistadors.
They were not Malvinas War veterans they were conscripts doing barrack duty in Pategonia, they go now where near Malvinas. They just want a medal for cleaning barracks.
I want nothing to do with them, they are traitors, a few years ago they would be disappeared.
You have a point (never thought I would say that).
The observation I make is that only in Argentina would this happen, this is telling you something.
AHAAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHHA!!
The reality: uk is FINISHED!!
Reality! you should try it sometime.
In Britain they call it “care in the community”. Either that or you had another of your little mini strokes. You must learn to control your anger and keep taking the medicine that the nice people in white coats offer you.
Are you FINISHED? Or is it your little dreams of empire building that are FINISHED.
@conqueror - the Argentinians could be taken on board HMS Vanguard for a guided tour at drydock and they would still spout the same retarded rubbish about us deploying nuclear weapons to the south atlantic. Sounds like a case of trident envy to me.
One of my mates saidyesterday that in his opinion as long as Argentina existed (without a total withdraw of soverignty claims) it would pose a threat to the Falklanders. He saw an Argentinan interviewed on tv about the islanders who advocated removing the falklanders. My friend was incensed by this and labelled it ethnic cleansing.
He previously had spoken to me about the Falklands (while setting the world to rights) and had stated that he only thought that a few Argentinians were interested in the dispute, and that they were generally good people.
Now he would quite happily see Argentina go up in a fireball.
Well Done Argentina, all you've done is get ordinary British people angry enough at you to wish to see your country come to harm. Way to go CFK and the Malvinista crowd..............
Britain is a mighty power by any measure in comparison to Argentina and could destroy Argentina in any number of ways not to mention it holds all the power positions.
So effectively by annoying the British people and the government all the UK is going to do is refuse anything from Argentina and Argentina simply cannot respond in economic, political or military terms.
Well done CFK you've just blown any chance of a peaceful resolution to the dispute, your grandstanding, idiotic and retarded behavior means you now have exactly zero chance of getting the UK to agree to any of your ever increasingly bizarre demands.......
It's times like these the UK should remember how valuable the armed forces are, if the UK didn't have the capability you could bet your life savings she would immediately order an invasion.
If they come under the proximity rules, can Argentina claim them as well
That's why of the half of Antarctica that they've claimed, most of it is closer to Chile. So as a people you could at least credit them with being consistent in their inconsistency.
I think you will find the article was reporting on the facts of yet another false and biased argentine accusation and propaganda attempt, therefore it can not ever be deemed as a Pro Kelper article when it only states the facts about the accusation that was made by argentina itself.
Or is that you saw all the comments here by us brits and islanders, and realised just how intelligent we are after we quickly all worked out the so called satalite imagery was not satalite imagery at all, but taken from google earth with the ship icons super imposed on the imagery, and was likely a screen shot taken from MarineTraffic.com. Which happens to use Google earth as their base image for satalite view, and happens to use those very same ship icons. Which by the way, such ship icons are not position accurately on such map and can be 10 miles or more away at the time.
Fact is they were 190 miles south of the Falklands and a good 350-450 miles from the nearest argentine territorial waters of 12 nautical miles from the argentina coast, as recongnised by international law. Even if they had strayed into the argentina economic zone, its not your territorial waters and they have the right to freely pass through under international marine law granting innocent passage to all vessels.
Yakety yak yak ! I can post garbage as well !
Isla Martín García Ceuta and Melilla
l came to the same conclusion.
But it is fun to stir them up!
They get even sillier when you pretend to get upset with their ridiculous drivel.
lf you give them a hard time,put them on the spot they get huffy & won't answer!
They are like little children.
Mercopress provides a great service to the community in that regard.
There is an intersting letter in the FT dated 18th about RN Commander Jack Byron and is plaque on Saunders Island which proves British !sovereignty
Apparently in South America none of this is important. What's important is what you can make up and what you want. Even Bolivia, having signed peace accords and agreements with Chile now wants some land. They are very mercurial in nature, and seem to just be driven by their demand du jour.
Let's take a look at the retard @44 & 46. I forget where he's from except that he has said that it is in S. America but is not argieland. Let us ask one simple question. Is there a country on the South American continent that has not been stolen from its indigenous inhabitants by Spaniards, Portuguese, Italians? But there's an even better bit. There is actually a RETARD (South American obviously) who still wants to claim that the “Inter caetera” papal bull of 1493 is still valid in terms of Spanish and Portuguese claims to the “New Word” (the Americas). Perhaps the United States should be careful of who it supports. Bearing in mind the increasing Hispanic element in the U.S. population, could we see the renaming of New York as New Madrid? Could our argie contributors envisage the renaming of Manhattan as Nuevo Malvinas? The U.S. West Coast is well sprinkled with Hispanic names. Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Jose, Santa Barbara. We should bear in mind territorial integrity. After all, the United States, unlike the Falkland Islands, is actually physically connected to South America by land that is above water! Surely the Spanish assistance to the American colonists, covertly from 1775 and openly from 1779 onward justifies their sovereignty!
Hmm.. It's that kind of strategy that gets your Belgrano sunk.
Here's a thought. Bet JF doesn't dare reply. How about we promise to remove argieland from the face of the planet?
I really want to read one of their school-books where all this horse-sh!t is written. It would make for an interesting story.
and when CFK gets kicked out, she will live the life of luxury, whilst those left behind well bring out the begging bowls and say, it wasnt me, i never hated the brits, and the childish bloggers, who cannot be idetified will sit in their sewers and pick the best bits, they will change like the wind,, they are intitled to nothing, and they will get nothing,
she has took them to the very top, and got nothing, and still her devoted lackies follow her,[still] it could be worse, we might have been giving them aid .
Faggotry of the highest order.
What a misleading bit of 'cut and paste'... maybe Thicko works for them ... he likes doing 'cut and paste'.
Whatever next? FIDF invades Argentina??
I suspect the next one will be something about Antarctica being on the same continental shelf and therefore all owned by Mar Mierda (Argentina).
Re. 62, 63 www.buenosairesherald.com/article/92965/malvinas-oil-rig-exploring-in-argentine-seas
The map in the BA Herald is a travesty of disinformation.
It directs the readers to believe that the rigs are hundreds of miles closer to the continent than the originating article demonstrates.
It is cruel propoganda.
Are they just stupid or was it intentional misinformation...... or most likely both.....
The show at the UN was so ridiculous it wasn't even funny and every country out there would absolutely know.
Here are two of the fantastic examples.
1. Secret military radar - The radar in the picture isn't a military radar in fact its a scientific radar operated by the University of Leicester. LOL!
2. Claiming HMS Vanguard is in South American waters when it is actually alongside in the UK, not that the UK would put one in their waters given its designed to hit targets from way out of range of other subs/surface ships/helicopters etc and then to stick the final nail in the coffin they posted another picture of a submarine from a low grade UK newspaper.
I personally thought it was a brilliant comedy show and no doubt so did the international community when they reviewed the so called evidence.
And for this reason the UK doesn't need to lower itself to these insults and silly lies that obviously get found out in about 10 seconds by military analysts around the world. You could just imagine USA's CIA and other agencies laughing their socks off at these claims.
the people want her promises, or her head .
All this not-militarising the south atlantic with not-warships and scientific instrumentation is probably making the Argentinians really upset and threatened right now.
If it wasn't so pathetic, it would be hilarious.
This quote is an absolute gem. It single handedly proves that Argentina is peddling propaganda and lying to the world and the UN. They claim it is the English that are stealing ”their” resources in the South Atlantic, one of the major factors of their current anger, frustrations and international protests. But this proves that the Argentine Government is fully aware that FIG issue the hydrocarbon licences and they spread misinformation, knowing full well that it is not true. There is your proof of Argentine propaganda Argentines.
If this is too difficult for you, the best thing for you to do is to move. You will fit right in in argieland. They're stupid as well.
Pretty much at the same level as when those Israeli chaps murdered the Swedish representative to the UN and got a state burial.
Just because you did exactly that little over 100 years ago, it doesnt mean we will. Talking about looking at ones self in the mirror lol.... Hypocrite
I think he's genuinely onto something, I mean who couldn't imagine the UK slaughtering folk for opium?
Like Argentina used force in 82 because then as now, you have no VALID arguments.
The British military recovered the Islands after they were illegally seized by the UP, today they are simply defending British territories S. Atlantic/Antarctica against naked Argentinian expansionism and colonial ambitions.
The British don’t negotiate because there is nothing to negotiate, when you look at the facts not the fiction, you don’t have a claim to anything outside mainland S. America.
www.perfil.com/fotogaleria/?filename=contenidos/2011/12/07/noticia_0013.html&fotoNro=53
I do find it highly amusing however you call it your resources when Argentina has never owned the islands, its akin to me laying claim to Bill Gates estate because I lived near it.
www.perfil.com/fotogaleria/?filename=contenidos/2011/12/07/noticia_0013.html&fotoNro=54
It's old Plastic Face herself walking past a vast exhibition entitled Ejercicio plástico or 'Plastic Exercise”.
Just look at her expression, it's hilarious. It brings to mind 'it takes one to know one'.
www.clarin.com/mundo/Aysen-localidad-chilena-quiere-argentina_0_649735211.html
I have lived in Brasil and used the resources of Brasil extensively, paying fully for the privilage. But it does not - as Forgetit often tells me - make me a Brasilian.
Census figures are made up of nationals and 'foreigners', but not 'transients'. I have a Permanent Residents Visa so, unlike visiting businessmen, tourists, etc, I am captured by census, but this does not make me Brasilian.
Neither does it make Chilian nationals Argentinian.
Many argentinian have the Italian Passport , sometime they use this.
Humanity is living in a global village, the Falklanders with their politics being left out,with resentful and marginalized, a real shame.
Seems your reality is significantly different from everyone else's.
The desperation of your arguement is very evident ntirojuan. One you claim self-determination cannot be applied to the Falklands, but then you call Britain hypocrites for applying it to another case. Don't you see how twisted, illogical, hyprocritical and confused your arguement is? You dont, because you are clutching at straws. You will do and say anything just so you can be critical of Britain, because you feel being critical of Britain means that your beliefs are correct, even if it contradicts the very principle of your beliefs and the reason for your xenophobia towards Britain.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR-JfHYiweg&feature=related
Q: What's the difference between an italian and an argentinian?
A: The italian doens't need help sinking his boat.
Good joke eh? now you can get back to crying over your pictures of Uncle B. Mussolini.
Interesting opening title. I thought the centrepiece looked like CFK on a bad day!
I see you had to 'pirate' the film. Why don't you make one for yourselves? Oh! I forgot: you are all shit-scared of your own shadows, nevermind a WOMAN who happens to be a Lt. Commander in the Royal Navy and Captain of the vessel.
When you grow some balls maybe some of us grown-ups will listen. It's just so pathetic with you lot at the moment.
If you think that HMS Clyde (a patrol vessel armed only with a 30 mm cannon and some machine guns) is “militarising” the islands, then you really are a first-class wimp.
Is this just your effort to get people to forget you invaded the falklands 9 times and performed genocide on your aboriginal population?
Weak minded savagery.
Besides, if I were CFK...I would have blown those rigs to hell if found on Argentinean waters..... But, the dog that barks... does not bite!
Cheers
You need to understand what 'Argentinian waters' are. They are at best a moveable feast and at the moment comprise the whole of the Southern Atlantic as far as they are concerned.
They have also fabricated this claim in the most ludicrous manner possible, please see 15 ChrisR above.
The Argentinians are very 'Alice in wonderland' with the use of the English language “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.” sums them up nicely. Liars is another good word to describe the government.
www.perfil.com/fotogaleria/?filename=contenidos/2011/12/07/noticia_0013.html&fotoNro=99
Blow the rigs to hell and you're enacting Article 51 of the UN Charter, which is a people's right to self defense against an aggressor or alien force. Then, in return, the Argentinians get to sit in the dark for 20 years while they rebuild their dams. *cue dambuster music*
www.bfbs.com/news/falkland-islands/defending-falklands-mps-agenda-55022.html
Britain will defend the Falklands,
That’s all you Argies need to know,
.
lf she laughs too hard, all that plastic &/or rubber will just slide off.
But what the hell, she cant produce her promises, so what does she do,
Perhaps she will tell their loyal bloggers that Chile is argentines, and Argentina demands they come back under argentine control.
If she don’t give them a sweetener, her people may very well give one , of there own .
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The Argentinian EEZ is 200 miles from the continental coast, or where the linear minimum distance between the continental coast and TFI is
Surely you're mistaken, Geoff.
The way they have it, it extends to the Namibian coastline.
ln fact the Namibians had better watch it.
Their beach fishermen are “stealing” Argentine fish!
Does not the water move?
What was argentine waters today, may well be Australian waters tomorrow,
You cannot claim water that moves,
If argentine is going to get technical then these must be noted .lol.
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I think what they are actually using are a few strands from his old house painting brush that he used to earn his living with before he was promoted from corporal.
Apparently these strands have more DNA in them than he had! :o)
@110 I feel sorry when I read your English. Can you write it again so I can respond.
who invaded you,
and what happend,
details and link to proof please .
sorry about my #105, it was a good geopolitical analysis sadly cut off in its prime :-(
or they would claim the waterfalls as well ??
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