Saturday, February 18th 2012 - 00:15 UTC

Argentina now takes Falklands’ dispute to satellite imagery

The Argentine newspaper Ambito Financiero reported on Friday, without revealing sources, that oil exploration rig Leiv Eiriksson, contracted by two oil companies to drill to the south of the Falkland Islands “was found, on Thursday, exploring in Argentine waters”, according to ‘irrefutable’ satellite images.

The state of the art “Leiv Eiriksson” is drilling in Falklands’ government licensed areas

Satellite image of the alleged incursion in Argentina’s EEZ

However Falklands oil industry sources downplayed the news and said that oil rig deployment in the Islands’ water is quite different from what is published from Buenos Aires. “We are quite used to Argentine misinformation and imagination”.

Furthermore “there is a lot of artistic licence put into that (satellite) image - reality is quite different”.

Ambito reports that the Bahamas flagged rig (120 metres long and 89 metres above sea level), together with the Toisa Intrepid and the multipurpose Toisa Sonat “at the end of last month were located very close to the 200 miles from the Argentine continental shelf, which caused alarm among (Argentine) authorities”. Later a third Norwegian flagged salvage vessel, “Ocean Prince”, joined the group.

However, “in recent days both the Leiv Eiriksson and its accompanying vessels violated the borders of Argentina’s Economic Exclusion Zone, EEZ”, having advanced “between 8 to 10 nautical miles beyond the pre-determined limits, to 190 miles off the Argentine coast”, based on images from the Mompesat satellite monitoring system to which “Ambito had access”.

“The oil rig and companion ships spent over 90 hours in that location exploring or carrying out exploratory tasks, which led to speculation that the company is considering a third well, located within Argentine territorial waters”.

“Irrefutable satellite images, reports Ambito, show that on Wednesday the platform was located at the coordinates -53°59’54’7 south -58°76’51’1 west. However, by midday yesterday (Thursday) it had retreated and briefly sailed toward the Islands before dropping anchor at 53°35’44’63 south and 58°45’55’13 west. According to sources with access to the Mompesat satellite monitoring system, the positioning of the platform was brought to the attention of the authorities”.

Ambito continues: “in recent months we detected that they were on the point of violating our economic exclusion zone and for this reason we have been constantly monitoring” said the source.

Meanwhile, sources linked to the Argentine Foreign Affairs Ministry confirmed that this “is not the first time that an oil rig violates the zone limits, although it is the first time that this has happened since the diplomatic conflict bubbled to the surface in January”. According to those sources, “the Ocean Guardian, exploring to the north of the archipelago since 2010 is (was) also positioned within Argentina's continental shelf”.

However the article also partly explains a possible cause for the different interpretation of the limits of the adjoining EEZs.

“For the Argentine state, according to the presentation by COPLA (National Committee for the Exterior Limit of the Continental Shelf) to the United Nations, the continental shelf of a bordering state includes the sea bed and sub-marine layers which extend beyond its territorial sea and across the length of the natural extension of its territory to the outer border of the continental margin, or to a distance of 200 miles counted from the base lines from which the borders of the territorial sea are measured, when the outer border of the continental margin does not reach the same distance.“

However, this position conflicts with the United Kingdom, who, taking the ”bordering state” to be the Falklands/Malvinas Islands, consider a large part of the waters around the Islands to be their EEZ.

The Leiv Eiriksson rig was contracted by Borders & Southern Plc and Falkland Oil and Gas Ltd, both companies licensed by the Falkland Islands government to explore in its jurisdictional waters.

Ambito says that the Argentine Foreign Affairs minister has sent notes of discouragement to the companies involved: to oil companies as well as the accompanying ships and support vessels. But also admits frustration at the lack of echo from the different complaints the Argentine government has sent out, and admits a fundamental problem: “It is the ‘kelper’ (Falklands’) government which awards the exploration licenses and therefore the complaint should be addressed to them, but doing so would in some way acknowledge sovereignty which contradicts the basic (sovereignty) claim”.

Ambito Financiero, a much respected Argentine financial publication following the death of its founder in 2006, finally ended in the hands of Editors Amfin, belonging to Orlando Vignatti, a media investor. Reporting quality remains but far from when it became a reference for the financial community. The group also owns the Buenos Aires Herald.
 

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1 The Cestrian (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 12:37 am Report abuse
This simply gets better and better..... :-)

Not only are the FI potentially sitting on $180b of oil but they might even be drilling it from RG territory.....ha, ha, ROFL.....

Its time the RG military got the rowing boat, glider and pea shooter out.
2 Feathers McGraw (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 12:39 am Report abuse
More Argie government propaganda, and not written by a professional navigator it seems - it isn't possible have 76 minutes of anything in lat/long position!

Moreover, if you look at the picture it is obvious that everything in that cluster is much nearer to the Falklands than to Argentina, so I suppose that means they are talking bollocks as usual because that would put it well inside the Falklands exclusion zone and not anywhere near the Argie one.

Give up. It isn't yours and never will be. Get over it.
3 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 12:44 am Report abuse
This propaganda will clearly be on banners in Argieland as we speak, getting the locals really upset because someone is actually managing to get hydrocarbons out of the ground, when they're not able to.

“Peronism says that this is within 200 miles of the blah blah blah blah blah” You walked out of talks on oil discovery and fishing, so just go into the corner and be butthurt.
4 Frank (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 12:55 am Report abuse
@2 correcto re the 76 minutes.... and those positions are given to an accuracy of about 1 metre ( 1/100th part of one second of arc...) .... I wonder what bit of the rig they are talking about....

Credibility of this piece of reporting from a 'much respected' RG journal is somewhere south of zero.

”Argentine Foreign Affairs minister ....... admits frustration at the lack of echo from the different complaints the Argentine government has sent out, and admits a fundamental problem: “It is the ‘kelper’ (Falklands’) government which awards the exploration licenses and therefore the complaint should be addressed to them, but doing so would in some way acknowledge sovereignty which contradicts the basic (sovereignty) claim“”

This is too funny for words....
5 mollymauk (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 12:55 am Report abuse
They seem to shoot themselves in the foot every time they try to protest. Quoting a longitude that is meaningless, showing photos of radar aerials in their presentation to the UN as evidence of “militarisation” that are actually scientific ionospheric radar with no military application - grasping at straws..........
6 Filippo (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 01:24 am Report abuse
i think i see this rig off coast yesterday in river plate.

this is positive poof of colonial pirates attempting to steal out oil.
7 The Falklands are British (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 01:40 am Report abuse
6 Flippo

No Flippo. The only thig this is proof of is how much of a propaganda machine Team KFC is and how much of a clown you are for taking any notice.

Has your government, turned the police on any more Argentine war veterans lately?
8 mollymauk (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 02:16 am Report abuse
@4 ” admits frustration at the lack of echo from the different complaints the Argentine government has sent out, and admits a fundamental problem: “It is the ‘kelper’ (Falklands’) government which awards the exploration licenses and therefore the complaint should be addressed to them, but doing so would in some way acknowledge sovereignty which contradicts the basic (sovereignty) claim”

Yes, not only are they not sure who to complain to, but they really don't seem sure quite what to base their protest on - either there is a line, one side of which is ours and one theirs (which they incorrectly claim the rig has crossed), or else the waters are all theirs , in which case this rig is no different to the one that has been drilling for the past 2 years, and its exact “satellite image” position is irrelevant. If they are complaining about.
According to this article, the Foreign Affairs ministry says “ it is the first time that this has happened since the diplomatic conflict bubbled to the surface in January” - this seems to imply that the Ocean Guardian was not drilling in Argentine waters - maybe it was in FALKLAND ISLAND waters................
9 Islander1 (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 02:21 am Report abuse
Argi Fantasy never fails to amaze! - This is a Drilling Platform - it is NOT a seismic survey vessel!! And it does not “drop anchor” normally either - it lives and drills in DEEP Water using satelites,computers and positioning propellors to maintain its position 24 hours a day.
10 Teaboy2 (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 02:53 am Report abuse
lol the image was taken from google earth and the icons imposed on it - look at bottom left corner of the picture. If they expect their allegations to be taken seriously then they should atleast provide the actual satalite imagines.
11 stick up your junta (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 07:37 am Report abuse
“It is the ‘kelper’ (Falklands’) government which awards the exploration licenses and therefore the complaint should be addressed to them, but doing so would in some way acknowledge sovereignty which contradicts the basic (sovereignty) claim”.

Aint life a BITCH : -))))))))
12 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 08:42 am Report abuse
The best strategy on this issue is just to let the Argentinians be butthurt and cry a lot, in which case they might lose all their liquids and become desiccated husks.
13 Conqueror (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 10:31 am Report abuse
@6 Why didn't you swim out and complain?
@7 They weren't war veterans. They were benefit scroungers.
@10 Well spotted! Is the Mompesat satellite contracted to Google? Can't you just imagine some argie Foreign Ministry jerkoff rushing down the corridor to Tinman's office, “Look, boss, what I managed to do! We could even put the rig in downtown Buenos Aires if we want to further claims that they are breaching our territorial integrity!” Sonorous, well-educated British voice: “And do you intend them to strike oil by drilling into the forecourt of a YPF petrol station?”
To quote Malvin
AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
BRAINLESS RETARDS!!!!!
14 cLOHO (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 10:38 am Report abuse
I love it... this is data from the phone app 'ship finder' it has the same icons, brilliant top intel from the argies, like the evidence they took to UN of vanguard being in the waters was a picture from the Daily Mail who had mistakenly posted a stock picture of a boomer instead of an attack submarine. They really insult our intelligence, but we need to counter this or as with the Nazis people seem to believe lies if you tell them enough. To fabricate this kind of rubbish is laughable. Next will be they will make some kind of territorial incursion up ...similar to the Poles attacking Germany before WW2 kicked off.
15 ChrisR (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 10:51 am Report abuse
The 'satellite image' of the vessels is in fact from MarineTraffic.com which uses Google maps for their base image. They then ovelayed it (inaccurately) on the normal GoogleEarth image.

Clearly the Argie idiots think the rest of us are going to be taken in by this nonsense.

Bunch of toerags.
16 GeoffWard2 (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 11:33 am Report abuse
Even this image shows the rigs to be directly to the SOUTH of TFI, and many, many miles beyond a continental EEZ.

I guess somebody thought that the informational blow-up graphic overlaying the satellite image was the actual location!
17 Frank (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 11:35 am Report abuse
In a word... stupid people.. OK that was two words....
18 Betty Boop (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 12:12 pm Report abuse
I thought the Chavez support was pretty desperate and then Timerman at the UN - what a comedic performance! Then along came Sean Penn which was just laughable. But THIS??!!! This is something really 'special'. I'm looking forward to seeing what they bring out next!
19 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 12:13 pm Report abuse
@17 In Argentina they (probably) have a marching song which translates into english as:

“Robar cosas de otras personas”

“Verse 1:
Take... take... take those things that we greedily want,
Greed is the nations pride,
Tell massive lies to pretend that we're not
committing another genocide.

Chorus:
Rise-up Rise up, expand, expand,
Expand into other peoples land,
Under Dear Leader Nestor we'll invade,
and kill all the locals with a spade.”
20 lsolde (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 12:45 pm Report abuse
Wouldn't it be just too delicious if a huge cavern(layer, whatever)of oil sat across the dividing line of both our territories.
We drilled into it from our side & pumped up oil from theirs.!
Then refined it into petrol & sold it back to them.
l'd love to see their reactions.
Now that would be like poking a stick through the bars at a tiger.
Not that l'd ever tease one of God's noble creatures like that.
21 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 12:59 pm Report abuse
@20 to be honest, it's quite possible to do this. Most prospecting companies wouldn't go near Argentina with a long stick at the moment, and even when they do find hydrocarbons like gas, they haven't got the ability to get it out of the ground (fracking, etc). Add to that the fact they have to sell it to the state at a fraction of it's market value and most companies give the country a wide birth, taking their expertise elsewhere.

Given that Argentina also claims most of the South Atlantic sea-bed as theirs (it's close to them, therefore it's theirs) , it's quite likely you might drill into fields that sit on both sides. It's not an issue though because by the time they get the ability to realise it, it'll be the year 2300 and we'll all be at war with the Dramajian Space Empire.
22 Pugol-H (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 01:39 pm Report abuse
“We are quite used to Argentine misinformation and imagination”.

“there is a lot of artistic licence put into that (satellite) image - reality is quite different”.

These sentences describes perfectly Argintinas position on this whole issue.

If the rigs were in Argie water then they should challange them, but they can't do anything because the British military protect Falklands waters, this is not going to change.

The only way to deal with Argentina is “talk softly and carry a big stick”, it is the only language the Criollo Banditos understand.

They have run out of South America to steal from the Indians, now they are trying to steal the South Atlantic from the British. Unfortunatly for the Banditos, unlike Atahualpa the British have more than just bows and arrows with which to defend their territory against theiving Conquistadors.
23 cLOHO (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
Yes sorry your right marine traffic!!! see they are more sophisticated than we give them credit for as Shipfinder.co is rubbish. Well done Argentine Military
24 Hands Off (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 02:03 pm Report abuse
We will take want we want wherever we find it! Britain will be GREAT again!
25 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
@23 I, like the Argentine government, tried to find them on shipfinder.com however I could not. They must have engaged the cloaking devices that they bought off the Klingon Empire.
26 Filippo (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 02:26 pm Report abuse
7 The Falklands are British

They were not Malvinas War veterans they were conscripts doing barrack duty in Pategonia, they go now where near Malvinas. They just want a medal for cleaning barracks.

I want nothing to do with them, they are traitors, a few years ago they would be disappeared.
27 Pugol-H (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 02:34 pm Report abuse
@26 Filippo

You have a point (never thought I would say that).

The observation I make is that only in Argentina would this happen, this is telling you something.
28 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 03:21 pm Report abuse
We will take want we want wherever we find it! Britain will be GREAT again!
AHAAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHHA!!
The reality: uk is FINISHED!!
29 Pugol-H (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 03:56 pm Report abuse
@28 Malvinero1

Reality! you should try it sometime.
30 Xect (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
Nah Argentine fiction is far more fun for the mentally unbalanced simpletons.
31 Conqueror (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 04:16 pm
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32 Xect (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 05:43 pm Report abuse
Conqueror, UK defence spending is just over 20 times that of Argentina.
33 shb (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 08:15 pm Report abuse
Have they let you out again Malvinero?

In Britain they call it “care in the community”. Either that or you had another of your little mini strokes. You must learn to control your anger and keep taking the medicine that the nice people in white coats offer you.

Are you FINISHED? Or is it your little dreams of empire building that are FINISHED.

@conqueror - the Argentinians could be taken on board HMS Vanguard for a guided tour at drydock and they would still spout the same retarded rubbish about us deploying nuclear weapons to the south atlantic. Sounds like a case of trident envy to me.

One of my mates saidyesterday that in his opinion as long as Argentina existed (without a total withdraw of soverignty claims) it would pose a threat to the Falklanders. He saw an Argentinan interviewed on tv about the islanders who advocated removing the falklanders. My friend was incensed by this and labelled it ethnic cleansing.

He previously had spoken to me about the Falklands (while setting the world to rights) and had stated that he only thought that a few Argentinians were interested in the dispute, and that they were generally good people.

Now he would quite happily see Argentina go up in a fireball.

Well Done Argentina, all you've done is get ordinary British people angry enough at you to wish to see your country come to harm. Way to go CFK and the Malvinista crowd..............
34 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
@33 If you get angry, you make mistakes. Don't let the mulleted argies get you angry, it's not worth it.
35 Xect (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
That is true SHB, Argentina thinks its winning some diplomatic battle but all it is doing is strengthening UK opinion that these people are nasty and only pretending to be peaceful and we all know what happens when the British folk get incensed.

Britain is a mighty power by any measure in comparison to Argentina and could destroy Argentina in any number of ways not to mention it holds all the power positions.

So effectively by annoying the British people and the government all the UK is going to do is refuse anything from Argentina and Argentina simply cannot respond in economic, political or military terms.

Well done CFK you've just blown any chance of a peaceful resolution to the dispute, your grandstanding, idiotic and retarded behavior means you now have exactly zero chance of getting the UK to agree to any of your ever increasingly bizarre demands.......
36 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
@35 You seriously think she wants peace?
37 Xect (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
Nah but I'm reflecting the words she has said.

It's times like these the UK should remember how valuable the armed forces are, if the UK didn't have the capability you could bet your life savings she would immediately order an invasion.
38 briton (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 10:12 pm Report abuse
Are the oil wells of the Brazilian coast, nearer to argentine territory than the Falklands,

If they come under the proximity rules, can Argentina claim them as well
39 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 10:39 pm Report abuse
@38 I think if there is one thing we've all learned it's that Empire of Japan 'geographic proximity' principle is the primary tenet underlying Argentinian property law. This is why no businesses go there.

That's why of the half of Antarctica that they've claimed, most of it is closer to Chile. So as a people you could at least credit them with being consistent in their inconsistency.
40 JORGE1982 (#) Feb 18th, 2012 - 10:57 pm Report abuse
I finished reading this pro-kelper propaganda article and I still don't know who redacted it!
41 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 12:05 am Report abuse
@40 well done, you can get back to reading very un-biased La Nacion now then while you salute your desk-swastika.
42 Teaboy2 (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 01:25 am Report abuse
@40 - Pro Kelper article - Thats rich coming from you, after all its not as if CFk and the rest of the argentine politicians outburst, false accusations and hypocrisy is unbaised or not pro-argentina propaganda now is it.

I think you will find the article was reporting on the facts of yet another false and biased argentine accusation and propaganda attempt, therefore it can not ever be deemed as a Pro Kelper article when it only states the facts about the accusation that was made by argentina itself.

Or is that you saw all the comments here by us brits and islanders, and realised just how intelligent we are after we quickly all worked out the so called satalite imagery was not satalite imagery at all, but taken from google earth with the ship icons super imposed on the imagery, and was likely a screen shot taken from MarineTraffic.com. Which happens to use Google earth as their base image for satalite view, and happens to use those very same ship icons. Which by the way, such ship icons are not position accurately on such map and can be 10 miles or more away at the time.

Fact is they were 190 miles south of the Falklands and a good 350-450 miles from the nearest argentine territorial waters of 12 nautical miles from the argentina coast, as recongnised by international law. Even if they had strayed into the argentina economic zone, its not your territorial waters and they have the right to freely pass through under international marine law granting innocent passage to all vessels.
43 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 01:52 am Report abuse
@162 It's almost not worth responding to the Argies, they mainly show the key symptoms of chemically induced brain damage. Might be worth just sending back their war dead peacefully and spending significant amounts of money on a missile shield, to keep them out.
44 johnfarrel2050 (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 05:05 am Report abuse
uk must stop stealing the resources and territories of other countries using its pirate military force.
45 STRATEGICUS (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 05:11 am Report abuse
@44

Yakety yak yak ! I can post garbage as well !
46 johnfarrel2050 (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 06:40 am Report abuse
Of course, uk must stop stealing the resources and territories of other countries using its pirate military force. This country must return all the territories stolen around the world, Malvinas, Gibraltar, among others. All the world know that Uk have the worst history of stealing territories and resources of other countries.
47 stick up your junta (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 08:20 am Report abuse
among others

Isla Martín García Ceuta and Melilla
48 lsolde (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 08:38 am Report abuse
@43GreekYoghurt,
l came to the same conclusion.
But it is fun to stir them up!
They get even sillier when you pretend to get upset with their ridiculous drivel.
lf you give them a hard time,put them on the spot they get huffy & won't answer!
They are like little children.
49 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 09:56 am Report abuse
@48 Wipping up the Argentinian imbecilic child-men into a frenzy of cognitive dissonance is a joyful hobby at worst and a charming delight.

Mercopress provides a great service to the community in that regard.
50 Albion Guy (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 10:26 am Report abuse
I also enjoy the debates in this site, it is fun to see some people try to defend the Argentine Government ridiculous stance! But we must not stoop to their level,and make it personal and throw insults ( even though I understand the emotion and share tnese about defendind the Falklands).We don't need to the case for the status quo is absolute.
There is an intersting letter in the FT dated 18th about RN Commander Jack Byron and is plaque on Saunders Island which proves British !sovereignty
51 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 10:46 am Report abuse
@50 They also stole said plaque and took it back to Argentina (Mar Mierda) so they clearly had to have read it, knowing fully well they were on British soil.

Apparently in South America none of this is important. What's important is what you can make up and what you want. Even Bolivia, having signed peace accords and agreements with Chile now wants some land. They are very mercurial in nature, and seem to just be driven by their demand du jour.
52 Teaboy2 (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 12:09 pm Report abuse
@50 Heres link to the letter you referred to, so that others can read it too - www.ft.com/cms/s/0/72c45c7a-5735-11e1-869b-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1mpRpJ1Y7
53 Conqueror (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 12:49 pm Report abuse
Please don't let us get sidetracked into matters related to Bolivia. We must concentrate on the INVADING, IMPLANTED, GENOCIDAL Spanish nazis of argieland. There are over 40 million of them. The question must be - How many of them are capable of doing anything except producing LIES?
Let's take a look at the retard @44 & 46. I forget where he's from except that he has said that it is in S. America but is not argieland. Let us ask one simple question. Is there a country on the South American continent that has not been stolen from its indigenous inhabitants by Spaniards, Portuguese, Italians? But there's an even better bit. There is actually a RETARD (South American obviously) who still wants to claim that the “Inter caetera” papal bull of 1493 is still valid in terms of Spanish and Portuguese claims to the “New Word” (the Americas). Perhaps the United States should be careful of who it supports. Bearing in mind the increasing Hispanic element in the U.S. population, could we see the renaming of New York as New Madrid? Could our argie contributors envisage the renaming of Manhattan as Nuevo Malvinas? The U.S. West Coast is well sprinkled with Hispanic names. Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Jose, Santa Barbara. We should bear in mind territorial integrity. After all, the United States, unlike the Falkland Islands, is actually physically connected to South America by land that is above water! Surely the Spanish assistance to the American colonists, covertly from 1775 and openly from 1779 onward justifies their sovereignty!
54 Room101 (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 01:50 pm Report abuse
This kind of trend (innuendo/contrived satellite images/ alleged unlawful activities in national waters by foreign states) is typical of the way things can get out of hand; armed conflict starts with certain postures. The Argentine ambassador to UK has not yet taken up her post: is it worth the effort to do so.
55 Xect (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 02:23 pm Report abuse
The Argentine ambassador will be welcome in the UK as long as she is honest, diplomatic and respectful which quite frankly nobody in the Argentine government has yet achieved.
56 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 03:59 pm Report abuse
@54-5 “honest, diplomatic and respectful” >> not exactly notable qualities of the Argentinian people as a whole, let's be frank. Once she takes up her role as Chief Whinger to the UK she can write emails like this one (www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/letter-falklands-future-1083163.html) from her predecessor, who outlined how easy it would be for Argentina to win at the ICJ and then didn't go to the ICJ.

Hmm.. It's that kind of strategy that gets your Belgrano sunk.
57 Conqueror (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 05:17 pm Report abuse
@46 “John Farrel”. Is that your real name? I want to be sure because I am leaving for South America next week. In proper British fashion I want to ensure that the anus I shove my bayonet up is the right anus. Now, do YOU have the guts to suitably identify yourself and your location. Don't be afraid. I plan to slit your throat first. Regrettably, I cannot guarantee that you won't feel the 17 inch bayonet in your a*se. But I will wiggle it about. To give you a last thrill. Don't be shy. I reckon that pictures of you with a bayonet up your a*se and a hard-on could be quite pricey in the U.K. Don't let us down now. If you really want help you could advertise your availability. Not afraid, are you? Go on, give us a thrill, can we have a video of you dying for your cuntry?

Here's a thought. Bet JF doesn't dare reply. How about we promise to remove argieland from the face of the planet?
58 johnfarrel2050 (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 05:47 pm Report abuse
@57 Conqueror You are confirming my assertion. You are a clear example of the way that british people use to impose their wrong ideas: Using the force but without any valid arguments. In the Malvinas Islands issue, your country used the military force to steal the territories of Argentina. In addition, uk use its ridiculous and pirate war vessels to maintain this usurpation. Of course, your country denied to discuss or negotiate because it doesn´t have any valid argument to steal the terriories and resources of South America.
59 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 06:27 pm Report abuse
@58 Using military force to stealing the territories of Argentina that Argentina always owned in history from 1210 when glorious leader Nestor used the national time machine to go back in time and wrestle the ownership of the islands from the mystic giant. Uncle Nestor did this with his bare hands and saved the People's Republic of Argentina from ruin.

I really want to read one of their school-books where all this horse-sh!t is written. It would make for an interesting story.
60 briton (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 08:01 pm Report abuse
very soon these puppies will tire of the crumbs from the table,
and when CFK gets kicked out, she will live the life of luxury, whilst those left behind well bring out the begging bowls and say, it wasnt me, i never hated the brits, and the childish bloggers, who cannot be idetified will sit in their sewers and pick the best bits, they will change like the wind,, they are intitled to nothing, and they will get nothing,
she has took them to the very top, and got nothing, and still her devoted lackies follow her,[still] it could be worse, we might have been giving them aid .
61 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 08:22 pm Report abuse
@60 if that happened, you should expect more victim-hood, like after Galtieri. They still think no one saw them all clapping when Galtieri invaded the Falklands, and now they act as though they were sat at home thinking it was terribly unjust.

Faggotry of the highest order.
62 Frank (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 08:31 pm Report abuse
Quality journalism at its finest... www.buenosairesherald.com/article/92965/malvinas-oil-rig-exploring-in-argentine-seas

What a misleading bit of 'cut and paste'... maybe Thicko works for them ... he likes doing 'cut and paste'.

Whatever next? FIDF invades Argentina??
63 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 08:58 pm Report abuse
@62 It would give the Argies a bit of an issue if they did invade. You cannot respond to a force from a territory that you claim doesn't exist.

I suspect the next one will be something about Antarctica being on the same continental shelf and therefore all owned by Mar Mierda (Argentina).
64 GeoffWard2 (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
The misinformation is just as much in the map as in the words.
Re. 62, 63 www.buenosairesherald.com/article/92965/malvinas-oil-rig-exploring-in-argentine-seas

The map in the BA Herald is a travesty of disinformation.
It directs the readers to believe that the rigs are hundreds of miles closer to the continent than the originating article demonstrates.
It is cruel propoganda.
65 Frank (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 10:52 pm Report abuse
@64 Yep, it was the map that I was drawing attention to.... surprisng they aren't drilling on the lawn in front of the Casa Rosada...
Are they just stupid or was it intentional misinformation...... or most likely both.....
66 briton (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 11:08 pm Report abuse
its things like this the british should show the UN and let the world see the lies upon lies .
67 lsolde (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 11:13 pm Report abuse
Their lies will come back to haunt them.
68 Xect (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 11:27 pm Report abuse
Poster 66, the thing Britain must not do is stoop to the level of the Argentine government.

The show at the UN was so ridiculous it wasn't even funny and every country out there would absolutely know.

Here are two of the fantastic examples.
1. Secret military radar - The radar in the picture isn't a military radar in fact its a scientific radar operated by the University of Leicester. LOL!
2. Claiming HMS Vanguard is in South American waters when it is actually alongside in the UK, not that the UK would put one in their waters given its designed to hit targets from way out of range of other subs/surface ships/helicopters etc and then to stick the final nail in the coffin they posted another picture of a submarine from a low grade UK newspaper.

I personally thought it was a brilliant comedy show and no doubt so did the international community when they reviewed the so called evidence.

And for this reason the UK doesn't need to lower itself to these insults and silly lies that obviously get found out in about 10 seconds by military analysts around the world. You could just imagine USA's CIA and other agencies laughing their socks off at these claims.
69 briton (#) Feb 19th, 2012 - 11:28 pm Report abuse
she now knows that she has blown it, she has been relativly quiet,
the people want her promises, or her head .
70 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 20th, 2012 - 10:10 am Report abuse
@68 Can the University of Leicester send their argentine-certified death-radar back and ask for the scientific one they ordered? Does the UK have a time-space corridor to let HMS Vanguard and HMS Dauntless be militarising the South Atlantic from being at anchor in the UK?

All this not-militarising the south atlantic with not-warships and scientific instrumentation is probably making the Argentinians really upset and threatened right now.
71 kbec (#) Feb 20th, 2012 - 10:16 am Report abuse
This is so funny. To the RG's the Falklands themselves are Argentine waters, so, as Ambito points out this is a problem for them to complain about one particular rig with satellite imagery as it shows an acceptance of Falklands waters. To me I think if the RG's claim the whole continental shelf we should too - just drill a few miles off their coast. Give the colonial aspiring RG's something to moan about. Just keep the nuclear sub popping up every once in a while to warn them off.
72 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 20th, 2012 - 10:36 am Report abuse
@71 It gets worse. They complain about the importance of continental shelves as a measure of defining national territory, but technically Antarctica isn't on theirs. Then they suddenly decided they wanted the South Georgia and Sandwich islands, that have never ever ever had a connection with. They're basically knee deep in hypocrisy, splashing all the hypocrisy on their faces.. wiping the hypocrisy over the walls... and claiming large parts of antarctica as a colony.

If it wasn't so pathetic, it would be hilarious.
73 M_of_FI (#) Feb 20th, 2012 - 02:10 pm Report abuse
”Ambito says that the Argentine Foreign Affairs minister has sent notes of discouragement to the companies involved: to oil companies as well as the accompanying ships and support vessels. But also admits frustration at the lack of echo from the different complaints the Argentine government has sent out, and admits a fundamental problem: “It is the ‘kelper’ (Falklands’) government which awards the exploration licenses and therefore the complaint should be addressed to them, but doing so would in some way acknowledge sovereignty which contradicts the basic (sovereignty) claim”.“

This quote is an absolute gem. It single handedly proves that Argentina is peddling propaganda and lying to the world and the UN. They claim it is the English that are stealing ”their” resources in the South Atlantic, one of the major factors of their current anger, frustrations and international protests. But this proves that the Argentine Government is fully aware that FIG issue the hydrocarbon licences and they spread misinformation, knowing full well that it is not true. There is your proof of Argentine propaganda Argentines.
74 Conqueror (#) Feb 20th, 2012 - 03:57 pm Report abuse
@58 You've got it all wrong again, micro-pr*ck. But I see you didn't dare identify yourself. Let's see now. In 1833, a single British vessel arrived at the Falkland Islands to find a foreign military garrison intent on creating a penal colony on sovereign British territory. The garrison was, quite properly, required to leave. Various South American gauchos, brought to the Islands by one Luis Vernet, an individual subsequently arrested and removed from the Islands by the United States for criminal acts of piracy, were asked to remain and were actually paid, in silver, by the British captain to replace the worthless paper issued by Vernet. There! A perfectly accurate and valid statement of the situation. Now let's turn to your drivel about Britain having no interest in negotiation. This is quite easy to understand. How many times has argieland invaded the Falklands? Obviously we can start with Jewett the pirate. Then Vernet was OK until he became a pirate governor. Then there was Mestivier the dead and Pinedo the runner. Now it gets difficult. There was Fitzgerald in 1964 and the 'Condors' in 1966 and the argie naval special forces later that same year. And Fernandez tried again in 1968. 1982. And who knows how many more? So, after NINE invasions, the Falkand Islanders have told the British government not to negotiate about sovereignty. How is this difficult to understand? Let me put it another way. If a certain cuntry had invaded your country NINE times, wouldn't you be reluctant to discuss your ownership of your country with that cuntry?

If this is too difficult for you, the best thing for you to do is to move. You will fit right in in argieland. They're stupid as well.
75 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 20th, 2012 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
@74 Haha.. the Condors and their terrorism are now all pensioned off by the Argie government. So much for being peaceful, considering as it's classed as that alone would be classed as state-sponsored international terror.

Pretty much at the same level as when those Israeli chaps murdered the Swedish representative to the UN and got a state burial.
76 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 20th, 2012 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
this article is right to point out that complaints against british illegal aliens in Islas Malvinas Argentina should be directed to UK not the Fakland island company since There is no legal body binding the illegal aliens to any international agreement, if we allow this now tomorrow they will make up a new flag for Patagonia kill thousands in the proses and they do it all over again for opium, diamonds, tea or oil, this will have to change before 2020.
77 Teaboy2 (#) Feb 20th, 2012 - 06:18 pm Report abuse
“There is no legal body binding the illegal aliens to any international agreement, if we allow this now tomorrow they will make up a new flag for Patagonia kill thousands in the proses and they do it all over again for opium, diamonds, tea or oil, this will have to change before 2020.”

Just because you did exactly that little over 100 years ago, it doesnt mean we will. Talking about looking at ones self in the mirror lol.... Hypocrite
78 Xect (#) Feb 20th, 2012 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
Come on poster 76 is really very funny.

I think he's genuinely onto something, I mean who couldn't imagine the UK slaughtering folk for opium?
79 Pugol-H (#) Feb 20th, 2012 - 08:46 pm Report abuse
@58 johnfarrel2050

Like Argentina used force in 82 because then as now, you have no VALID arguments.

The British military recovered the Islands after they were illegally seized by the UP, today they are simply defending British territories S. Atlantic/Antarctica against naked Argentinian expansionism and colonial ambitions.

The British don’t negotiate because there is nothing to negotiate, when you look at the facts not the fiction, you don’t have a claim to anything outside mainland S. America.
80 nitrojuan (#) Feb 20th, 2012 - 11:23 pm Report abuse
maybe our satellites to witness and document the devastation of our resources in the Falklands.
www.perfil.com/fotogaleria/?filename=contenidos/2011/12/07/noticia_0013.html&fotoNro=53
81 Xect (#) Feb 20th, 2012 - 11:29 pm Report abuse
Are these the same satellites that had to get their images from a shipping website? If so I'd not hold your breath if I were you.

I do find it highly amusing however you call it your resources when Argentina has never owned the islands, its akin to me laying claim to Bill Gates estate because I lived near it.
82 ChrisR (#) Feb 20th, 2012 - 11:36 pm Report abuse
But this one is so much better:-
www.perfil.com/fotogaleria/?filename=contenidos/2011/12/07/noticia_0013.html&fotoNro=54

It's old Plastic Face herself walking past a vast exhibition entitled Ejercicio plástico or 'Plastic Exercise”.

Just look at her expression, it's hilarious. It brings to mind 'it takes one to know one'.
83 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 20th, 2012 - 11:44 pm Report abuse
@63 Reminds me more of Destro from Cobra Command.
84 nitrojuan (#) Feb 21st, 2012 - 12:53 am Report abuse
In Aysen, Chilean Patagonia people wants to be Argentinian... maybe if chilean uses our services of hospital , education, they should be Argentinian,as if malvinas invasors wants to use our resourses , our lands, they must be argentinians.
www.clarin.com/mundo/Aysen-localidad-chilena-quiere-argentina_0_649735211.html
85 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 21st, 2012 - 08:04 am Report abuse
@84 that's just corrupt logic not based in any kind of reality.
86 GeoffWard2 (#) Feb 21st, 2012 - 09:21 am Report abuse
Nitrojuan #84,
I have lived in Brasil and used the resources of Brasil extensively, paying fully for the privilage. But it does not - as Forgetit often tells me - make me a Brasilian.

Census figures are made up of nationals and 'foreigners', but not 'transients'. I have a Permanent Residents Visa so, unlike visiting businessmen, tourists, etc, I am captured by census, but this does not make me Brasilian.

Neither does it make Chilian nationals Argentinian.
87 nitrojuan (#) Feb 21st, 2012 - 12:56 pm Report abuse
of course GeoOff, nobody ask english, italian, spanish to their self-determination in argentinian lands, it is easy to undersand, the same argument for the english who live in our islands too.
Many argentinian have the Italian Passport , sometime they use this.
Humanity is living in a global village, the Falklanders with their politics being left out,with resentful and marginalized, a real shame.
88 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 21st, 2012 - 01:35 pm Report abuse
@87 I think you mean it's Argentina that's being left out due to their economic insecurities. The Falklands seem to be on the cusp of large levels of trade with quite a few folk. Argentina's foreign direct investment is dropping quicker than a catholic priest at alterboy practise.

Seems your reality is significantly different from everyone else's.
89 nitrojuan (#) Feb 21st, 2012 - 02:14 pm Report abuse
California was given to US by Mexico by a treaty, as Hong Kong back to China , DIego Garcia Is. a scandal ,.... but in HK , UK has asked to their people about self-determination???? no... that is hypocrisy when try to impose the self-det in our Malvinas, where don´t apply and all the World dont support.......
90 M_of_FI (#) Feb 21st, 2012 - 02:25 pm Report abuse
@89...Do the people of Hong Kong have closer cultural, social, economic and lingual links with Britain or China? Lets not forget Hong Hong is part of mainland China. Two very different circumstances when compared to the Falklands.

The desperation of your arguement is very evident ntirojuan. One you claim self-determination cannot be applied to the Falklands, but then you call Britain hypocrites for applying it to another case. Don't you see how twisted, illogical, hyprocritical and confused your arguement is? You dont, because you are clutching at straws. You will do and say anything just so you can be critical of Britain, because you feel being critical of Britain means that your beliefs are correct, even if it contradicts the very principle of your beliefs and the reason for your xenophobia towards Britain.
91 nitrojuan (#) Feb 21st, 2012 - 02:42 pm Report abuse
Interesting documentary about militarising of our islands...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR-JfHYiweg&feature=related
92 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 21st, 2012 - 03:57 pm Report abuse
@91 While you realise that no one is watching your documentary, here's a joke:

Q: What's the difference between an italian and an argentinian?
A: The italian doens't need help sinking his boat.

Good joke eh? now you can get back to crying over your pictures of Uncle B. Mussolini.
93 ChrisR (#) Feb 21st, 2012 - 03:58 pm Report abuse
91 nitrojuan

Interesting opening title. I thought the centrepiece looked like CFK on a bad day!

I see you had to 'pirate' the film. Why don't you make one for yourselves? Oh! I forgot: you are all shit-scared of your own shadows, nevermind a WOMAN who happens to be a Lt. Commander in the Royal Navy and Captain of the vessel.

When you grow some balls maybe some of us grown-ups will listen. It's just so pathetic with you lot at the moment.
94 Crackpot (#) Feb 21st, 2012 - 04:51 pm Report abuse
@91 Nitrojuan

If you think that HMS Clyde (a patrol vessel armed only with a 30 mm cannon and some machine guns) is “militarising” the islands, then you really are a first-class wimp.
95 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 21st, 2012 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
@91 What do we call the people who stole and colonised the land off the indigenous americans in Mar Mierda then? Pirates?

Is this just your effort to get people to forget you invaded the falklands 9 times and performed genocide on your aboriginal population?

Weak minded savagery.
96 atk357 (#) Feb 21st, 2012 - 06:26 pm Report abuse
As much as I support the Falkland people for their own self-determination, ...the oil exploration must be limited to their own area. These oil companies have sophisticated equipment to determine their geographical position, from my American point of view...“mind the gap..”
Besides, if I were CFK...I would have blown those rigs to hell if found on Argentinean waters..... But, the dog that barks... does not bite!

Cheers
97 ChrisR (#) Feb 21st, 2012 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
96 atk357

You need to understand what 'Argentinian waters' are. They are at best a moveable feast and at the moment comprise the whole of the Southern Atlantic as far as they are concerned.

They have also fabricated this claim in the most ludicrous manner possible, please see 15 ChrisR above.

The Argentinians are very 'Alice in wonderland' with the use of the English language “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.” sums them up nicely. Liars is another good word to describe the government.
98 nitrojuan (#) Feb 21st, 2012 - 07:15 pm Report abuse
@95 TomateunYogurth : I only have a picture to resume your coments:
www.perfil.com/fotogaleria/?filename=contenidos/2011/12/07/noticia_0013.html&fotoNro=99
99 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 21st, 2012 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
Argentinian waters are Mar Mierda, no?

Blow the rigs to hell and you're enacting Article 51 of the UN Charter, which is a people's right to self defense against an aggressor or alien force. Then, in return, the Argentinians get to sit in the dark for 20 years while they rebuild their dams. *cue dambuster music*
100 briton (#) Feb 21st, 2012 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
Let no one be in any doubt
www.bfbs.com/news/falkland-islands/defending-falklands-mps-agenda-55022.html
Britain will defend the Falklands,

That’s all you Argies need to know,

.
101 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 21st, 2012 - 10:09 pm Report abuse
Curiously, I wonder what the gollomesque monomania lady would rant on about next if they actually had sovereignty of the islands? I reckon it would be demanding parts of chile again.
102 lsolde (#) Feb 21st, 2012 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
@98nitrojuan,

lf she laughs too hard, all that plastic &/or rubber will just slide off.
103 british_but_open_minded (#) Feb 22nd, 2012 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
Interesting that in the blown up 'satellite image' the Toisa Sinata is facing the other way!!! And these images are supposed to be believed! What on earth will they come up with next? Do they seriously think the owners of the rig would risk 'exploring' in Argentine waters!!!!! Grow up!
104 briton (#) Feb 22nd, 2012 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
They will accuse the royal navy of paroling in argentine waters next,
But what the hell, she cant produce her promises, so what does she do,
Perhaps she will tell their loyal bloggers that Chile is argentines, and Argentina demands they come back under argentine control.
If she don’t give them a sweetener, her people may very well give one , of there own .

.
105 GeoffWard2 (#) Feb 22nd, 2012 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
There is dissembly and calculated confusion here.

The Argentinian EEZ is 200 miles from the continental coast, or where the linear minimum distance between the continental coast and TFI is
106 lsolde (#) Feb 23rd, 2012 - 07:52 am Report abuse
@105 GeoffWard2,
Surely you're mistaken, Geoff.
The way they have it, it extends to the Namibian coastline.
ln fact the Namibians had better watch it.
Their beach fishermen are “stealing” Argentine fish!
107 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 23rd, 2012 - 02:11 pm Report abuse
@106 Those flippin Namibian pirates, stealing Argentinian resources. I clearly heard that they're militarizing in order to defend their coast border with Argentina which is apparently 5m off their coast. If they do that then they're within bombing distance of the city of Neo-reichsland, Argentinian Colony of Antarctica, where they're currently trying to raise the fuhrer from a few strands of his DNA.
108 briton (#) Feb 23rd, 2012 - 06:13 pm Report abuse
So would you like to DEFINE argentine waters,
Does not the water move?
What was argentine waters today, may well be Australian waters tomorrow,
You cannot claim water that moves,
If argentine is going to get technical then these must be noted .lol.
.
109 ChrisR (#) Feb 23rd, 2012 - 08:04 pm Report abuse
107 GreekYoghurt

I think what they are actually using are a few strands from his old house painting brush that he used to earn his living with before he was promoted from corporal.

Apparently these strands have more DNA in them than he had! :o)
110 Academik (#) Feb 23rd, 2012 - 08:34 pm Report abuse
I only feel sorry for the poor arguments of the inhabitants of the Falklands for JOINING only wealth that belongs to Argentina. Hopefully the law will prevail not only the strongest will prevail but also history, geographical reasons and international law only reason to give the Argentine claim. And the ground made ​​the bogus self-determination. (this right is only when you're a native, is not the case invaded the islands in 1833 and the English settlers brought)
111 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 23rd, 2012 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
@109 Rest assured, if there was a way the Argentinians could have regenerated Hitler, they would be trying it now. They probably have Peron, Nestor and Mussolini growing in protein tanks too.

@110 I feel sorry when I read your English. Can you write it again so I can respond.
112 briton (#) Feb 23rd, 2012 - 10:44 pm Report abuse
invaded the islands in 1833
who invaded you,
and what happend,
details and link to proof please .
113 GeoffWard2 (#) Feb 24th, 2012 - 12:27 am Report abuse
Isolde #106
sorry about my #105, it was a good geopolitical analysis sadly cut off in its prime :-(
114 briton (#) Feb 24th, 2012 - 12:33 am Report abuse
just as well they know the world is not flat,
or they would claim the waterfalls as well ??

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