Argentina’s Malvinas policy leads no where; China and Taiwan, an inspiring example
Argentina has fallen prisoner of two conflicting positions on the Malvinas Islands issue which lead no where in the objective of claiming sovereignty over the South Atlantic Islands, says Carlos Perez Llana a former Argentine ambassador in Paris and political science and diplomacy professor.
Likewise Argentina must become a respectable and reliable member of the international community, abide by the rule of the law, manage a sustained growth and become attractive for global business through serious political alliances. “A good inspiration for Argentina should be China and its seduction policy with Taiwan”
“On the one side you have the nationalist position which says Malvinas are Argentine and therefore ignore the Islanders who are British, keep intensifying diplomatic and eventually economic pressures and in two or three years at the most you will obtain positive results”, points out Perez Llana.
The other position says forget the Malvinas, a war has been lost and if there is no willingness from the Islanders “it’s going to be impossible to recover the Islands”.
However Perez Llana believes things are not that simple and pushing and shoving won’t obtain nothing and likewise forgetting the Malvinas “would mean giving up negotiations on fisheries, oil and the projection on Antarctica”.
The former ambassador and professor at several reputed universities argues that yes, the Malvinas are Argentine, and “we must hold negotiations which does not necessarily mean talking only to London and ignoring the Islanders, nor is the case to push and push with no results”.
Perez Llana says that after having lost a war “Argentina has limited conditions to negotiate and must begin admitting that it is possible we will not achieve all we want and it’s going to take a long time before an agreement is reached”.
Likewise the advance of negotiations will much depend on “serious and numerous alliances in the world, a significant sustained economic growth and becoming attractive to the international economy as well as great respect for the rule of law and institutions which makes a country trustworthy and reliable”.
Perez Llana then appealed to the Chinese example. “Look at Beijing with all the power it has, it’s not proposing an invasion of Taiwan, on the contrary it tries to attract and seduce the island state and has increased bilateral relations, that is what should be inspiring us”.
Finally believing that multiplying claims and collecting support from certain countries is going to change the position of Great Britain, no matter how serious the economic and political problems of Prime Minister David Cameron, does not imply any yielding, rather the contrary. “The rest is wishful thinking”.
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I, on the contrary have met many British and no one was as xenophobic as you are, in fact very nice people.
Estimado, that is why most of our british friends don´t write here! :-)
Something similar happens here. We are not going to invade the islands, we don't have the force (for now) to do it anyway. The strategy is in the political and economic arena. The islands are here in the South Atlantic. They won't go anyway. We have now some control thanks to diplomatic negotiations with our neighbours. That's what we have to increase.
No matter if some small country in the caribean or in south Asia recognize kelperkistan since in practic terms they are useless to the squatters. Key countries are Brazil, Uruguay and Chile. We should make deals with them in order to make squatters life more difficult and miserable.
Do not tell me China is not doing it. They are doing it silently. They make convenient deals with countries which don't recognize Taiwan. If I'm not mistaken, none Southamerican country recognize Taiwan.
¿Why is this? Because we want good relations with China. We need them and of course they need us. That's the way world works!
Yes, we need to follow China's steps. That means more economic growth, more industrialization. With that, you can gain more power of influence in other countries/societies. China is doing that and Taiwan knows it! It was Taiwan that approached China first because they have no other option. The same thing will happen with Malvinas and their ilegal occupants.
GDP 870 billion.......Really invading a powerhouse like that??
It would be extremely complicated,if not impossible to force them....
BTW the China Taiwan situation is nothing to do with taiwan being armed! China could swamp the island in a matter of days regardless of a few aircraft and missles!
It all looks very silly from the developed world.
What I think is strange that the people of Hong Kong were not asked if they wanted to remain British. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Tackling the Chinese is not the same as dealing with the Argentines.
Feb 22nd, 2012 - 03:49 am
This post is a good example of the racism involved in this issue. While Argentina is claiming sovereignty over the land Jorge seems to believe the residents are squatters not entitled to be there - I assume because they are not Hispanic.
In Argentina it's not quite enshrined in the constitution, because most of the aboriginals have been effectively genocided. Now they think because they're all dead, that no one remembers they ever existed, and therefore they're not colonists.
It would be hilarious if it wasn't so very very sad.
“won't obtain nothing” is a double negative.
Who writes for this paper?
It shows the same carelessness and indifference to writing that your average Argentinians shows to things like - ethics.
It's an interesting microcosm of the macrocosm of the behavior in Argentina.
ie; They don't know what they are doing, and they don't care.
That's why they can't internalize the rules and have no conscience.
BTW, someone who can't internalize rules and has no conscience about it is the clinical definition for a psychopath.
“The former ambassador and professor at several reputed universities argues that yes, the Malvinas are Argentine”
Oh, well, that settled then. Pfft.
“Argentina has limited conditions to negotiate”
He got that right.
“and must begin admitting that it is possible we will not achieve all we want ”
As this man well knows, Argentinians do not admit they are wrong often, or easily. That's why they are forever stuck in the same problems, repetition with no development (the definition of psychosis, btw).
“Likewise the advance of negotiations will much depend on “serious and numerous alliances in the world,”
Which in its entire history Argentina has yet to develop.
“ a significant sustained economic growth”
That either.
“and becoming attractive to the international economy”
This one too.
”as well as great respect for the rule of law and institutions which makes a country trustworthy and reliable”.
(c. note above on their incredible inability to internalize rules, of anything!)
He embarrasses himself with the China/Taiwan - Argentina/Falklands comparison. Just embarrassing and stupid. This is an example of Argentine grandiosity. Seeing themselves as more than human because they feel themselves as less than human but can't admit it.
No military, no economy. Can Argentina even be called a country?
It's all the pathological lying that makes it all so interesting though.
Your selected use of psychology talks a lot about...just yourselves.
The Falklands are completely different. Never EVER an argie territory. Even Spain never claimed the entire archipelago. And that alone goes to show how stupid argies are. Thing is that China may get somewhere with Taiwan as it develops capitalist communism. Could argieland do something similar? Like believably develop intelligence, consideration, honesty...
Long Live the Falklands.
Down with argentine Colonialism.
It is not all lovey-dovey between China and Taiwan. Chinese nationals cannot fly direct to Taipai from old China but must first fly to the virtual middle ground of Hong Kong.
con hdp´s no hay que hablar.
Solution: UK maintains the status quo; Argfags fester in their own sh!t.
“won't obtain nothing” is a double negative. /
“Who writes for this paper?
It shows the same carelessness and indifference to writing that your average Argentinians shows to things like - ethics.”
Yes, it is. And perfectly acceptable to someone whose FIRST language is Espanol and confusing to us Brits. / AND no it doesn't. The people at MercoPress are alright and they do a fair balancing act in dificult circumstances. You need to get used to it if you want to continue on here.
From a Brit who lives in Uruguay and is learning LatAm Espanol: try it yourself, you will find it interesting but very frustrating. :o)
“Returning” being the apt word here. Hong Kong used to belong to China and we had a lease on it, that had to be honoured. The people of Hong Kong were also 95% Chinese.
While the Falklands have never belonged to Argentine, it would therefore be impossible to “return” them to a country to which they have never belonged. Likewise the people of the Falklands are English speaking, British citizens, not Spanish speaking, Argentines.
There is two problems with this article and the Argentine fascists who are posting here - 1. It assumes something that is false - the Falklands are Argentine or ever have been. 2. The Falklands people can be bought out.
The idea that Argentina, a country that claims the Falklands doesn't even exist! Can buy out the Falkland Islanders is insane. Argentina has a serious problem... it is called Nationalism and it will rip their country apart before it is through. If they can't deal with that, the world will never take that country seriously.
You can not claim something which is and never has been yours.
It would be like the UK claiming Iceland, true the UK shares a maritime border with Iceland, true during WW2 British forces occupied the island but it would be a LIE to claim Iceland's sovereignty has never belonged to the UK. And it would be a insane dream to ever believe we could scare, bribe or in any other way win the Icelandic people over to wanting to be British.
Argentina needs to understand that territorial expansion is a Nazi idea.
Argentina needs to understand that creating lands that do not exist - the Malvinas, etc is a childish idea.
Argentina needs to understand that brainwashing school children into believing in fake islands, populated by Argentines, under British occupation is not just a lie but is childishly nationalistic and fascistic.
Argentines need to stop dreaming of wars they lost, stop claiming medals they never earned, stop dreaming of some small islands hundreds of miles away. GROW UP.
Really this man, Perez Llana is a liar. Argentina never proposed an invasion. On the contrary, England bid to militarization and terrorism by sending a destroyer of last generation and threaten to nuke the Argentine and Latin American legitimate claims over the islands. Cristina proposed to give a chance for peace. UK commitment to intimidation and violence.
Liana Perez has to read the resolutions committee of the UN decolonization. Resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute and our constitution, “La Nacion Argentina ratifies its legitimate and imprescriptible sovereignty over the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and the corresponding maritime and island spaces, being an integral part of national territory . the recovery of these territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respecting the way of life for its inhabitants and according to the principles of international law are a permanent and unwavering goal of the Argentine people. ”
CONSTITUTION ARGENTINA, First Transitional Provision
It strikes me as strange that Argentina and Chile were both ruled by military dictatorships for many years. Chile is now progressing and Argentina seems to be regressing. Perhaps the Chileans received advice from Mrs Thatcher as well as the University of Chicago economists
I also wonder if the military of Argentina and Chile got permission to stage their coups from the USA - Operation Condor etc
Reading Anthony Sampson's SOVEREIGN STATE will shed some light on this
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9098633/Cristina-Kirchner-told-to-leave-Falkland-Islanders-alone-by-Argentinas-intellectuals.html#disqus_thread
Post @ 4.36pm
Child like Argentines never cease to amaze me, you swallow all the crap fed to you by your government without question even when the strikingly obvious is smacking you repeatedly in the face.
You are like a nation of retards, adults with the medal age of 6. Flag waving nationalists marching to the beat of a fascist Peronist government.
Raul you are a COWARD. I've called you and all the other fascist Argentine cunts posting on here out. Want our islands? Come and take them.
Stop blockading us! Stop harassing our shipping! Stop breaking international law! Stop violating our air space! Stop violating our territorial waters! Stop threating us with invasion! Stop claiming land that isn't yours! Stop calling our islands Malvinas! Stop claiming sovereignty over something you have never had sovereignty over.
Raul I bet you are a bot bellied middle age Argentine, with some kind of bowl disorder. You are all cowards. Only cowards claim ownership of people and land that isn't theirs. You are criminal fascist and cowards scum. I would whip your ass from this side of the Atlantic Ocean to the other. You and the other freaks posting here.
Show me one shred of evidence Raul that the UK is threatening to nuke Argentina, just one shred please because it clearly never happened you silly boy.
The UK does not threaten countries with nukes (EVER) unless there is an equal threat and quite clearly Argentina is about as threatening as CFK is, i.e. not at all.
Also the militarization claims I actually find pretty amusing, so the UK occasionally swaps warships in the area on routine patrol and somehow this is outraging Argentina, I do wonder if the Argentine government has been asleep for the past 30 years where it has happened several times a year.
You are a strange old set of lunatics.
@12 Talk for yourself. You hate us, not uruguayans (3 M people), nor chileans (17 M people), nor Brazilians (190 M people), just you.
@16 I don't understand why you call me a racist. There a lot of British and non-hispanic people from all over the world living here. Those british who came here didn't raise the british flag. They respect our sovereignty. That's the problem with you.
The British Falklands will not be yours, now or ever,
And there is nothing you can do abt it, except moan,
.
Read the following link:
www.adolfoperezesquivel.org/?p=951
35 AndyMac
Raul're a coward. I have asked you and all the other pussies published in Argentine fascist hereafter. Want our islands? Come and take them.
Pathetic and sad (shameful) your comments. Learn from John Lennon. I remember these words of Luther king “Peace is a matter of courage. War is a cowardly thing ”“ There are no roads to peace, peace is the way ”
37 Xect
I like Raul, when not busy copying and pasting that is releasing the epic levels of stupidity.
It is not copy and paste. The truth is unique and can not be changed because it is a fact. Have eyes but do not want to see, have ears but do not want to hear. The facts are the facts. The only truth is the reality. The fact is that in the Malvinas issue is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina.
The truth is that there may be English in Argentine territory.
Understand it well.
I personally believe the UN and its putting self determination as paramount. Besides, there is no way to negotiate in an 'Argentinian Negotiation', that nobel prize winner should have been stripped of his award for not knowing this. In an Argentinian Negotiation, you simply have to agree to all Argentina's demands, which is nonsense. Even in a normal negotiation Argentina is bringing nothing to the table.
Better just leave you guys to sweat in a pit of your own faggotry.
I suspect you can't because you're facts do not exist except in some bizarre alternative reality you seem to share with Timmerman.
Answer my question with facts and I will apologies and just to give you a heads up words from your government do not constitute facts.
Perhaps:
1- avoiding the negotiation
2-denying the historic facts
3-or just simple as “self determination of the people” ( english people put there with weapons since 1833) come on english... BE SERIOIUS !!!!!
Propuesta de Paz de Perú
5 de mayo de 1982
Proyecto de Acuerdo sobre las Islas Malvinas:
(1) El cese del fuego inmediato, concurrente con:
(2) retiro mutuo y la no reintroducción de las fuerzas, de acuerdo con un calendario que establecerá el Grupo de Contacto;
(3) La introducción inmediata de un Grupo de Contacto integrado por Brasil, Perú, La República Federal de Alemania y los Estados Unidos en las Islas Malvinas, con carácter temporal, en espera de un acuerdo sobre una solución definitiva. El Grupo de Contacto asumirá la responsabilidad de (A) La verificación de la retirada; (B) Garantizar que no se toman medidas en las Islas, por la administración local, lo que iría en contra de este acuerdo, y (C) Asegurar que todas las demás disposiciones del el acuerdo se respeten
(4) Gran Bretaña y la Argentina reconoce la existencia de diferentes puntos de vista y en relación con el estatuto de las Islas Malvinas;
(5) Los dos gobiernos reconocen que las aspiraciones e intereses de los isleños se incluirán en la solución definitiva de la situación de las Islas;
(6) El Grupo de Contacto tendrá la responsabilidad de garantizar que los dos gobiernos llegar a un acuerdo definitivo antes del 30 de abril de 1983.
ps, sorry but this propossal did not reach margaret. ( but it was delivered to the foreign office 14 hours before the fact...
that is why she ordered to sink the Belgrano. just to win the elections.
Argentineans killed more english after that than ever in the conflict.
Asking you again IS THIS THE WAY YOU NEGOTIATE ??? I believe some one has no balls to tell the truth.
c you
Cheers from Lima Perú.
2) Then they stoppeed being yours. We were born as a nation. You expelled us from Islands which were Spanish and which were under Buenos Aires intendency.
3) The Junta did. But well, I'm sure the conscripts and we all were consulted if we wanted that, didn't we?
4) The problem is that she is not using weapons to achieve this. For your “defence” you are.
2. Never dropped the claim - unlike you guys in 1850. No civilian was expelled - just lies from successive military dictatorships.
3. The Junta is Argentine, you can't change history just because of a military government - south america gets them all the time. Besides when they invaded the Falklands civilians suddenly loved their junta and were out on the street celebrating.
4. Not using weapons as know you would get another thorough hiding. We didn't have a defence prior to 1982. The events then and the events now prove we need one.
BTW even your own educated are starting to get fed up with this nonsense - it seems that no Argentine newspaper has reported this though. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9098633/Cristina-Kirchner-told-to-leave-Falkland-Islanders-alone-by-Argentinas-intellectuals.html
do not change my name, please, I don't want to call you with a different name.
1. i know 4 languages, sorry , next time I will write it in your language is not a problem for me to teach you some other languages, the issue is that the Peruvian proposal of peace was originally written in Spanish.
2.sorry but your consul in Buenos Aires recognized them as argentinean in 1825 by recognizing a new nation PROVINCIAS UNIDAS DEL RIO DE LA PLATA ( sorry I cannot translate it), study more next time....ok ? also if you mention your garrison at Port Egmont, it was ilegal, hidden of the eyes of Spain, and also then left away due to agreements WRITEN with spain. Argentina has two names, one is Argentina and the second is PROVINCIAS UNIDAS DEL RIO DE LA PLATA, i can send you a coin of 1 peso and you will see it today....
3. there was no declaration of war, again, study more mate....
Argentineans did not invade you, you invade them in 1806 1807 and 1833, remember ??? look up for a history book.... if you cannot find it I can send it to you via LAN Chile.
UN is a WORLD organization, not a school.... , I believe you have to drink liters of tea and read many books next time when you are ready, you send me an e mail and we talk again
luissuriani@hotmail.com
have a great night.
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well we have people different point of view, that is democracy.... believe me just a few, but only because they are on the other side of the corner ( politicians ) on our LA NACION newspaper... nothing to keep an eye on...
45 kbec this translation is just for you.
Peace Proposal of Peru
5 May 1982
Draft Agreement on the Falkland Islands:
(1) The immediate ceasefire, concurrent with:
(2) mutual withdrawal and reintroduction of forces not in accordance with a schedule to be established by the Contact Group;
(3) The immediate introduction of a Contact Group consisting of Brazil, Peru, The Federal Republic of Germany and the United States in the Falkland Islands, on a temporary basis, pending agreement on a final settlement. The Contact Group will be responsible for (A) The verification of the withdrawal, (B) Ensure that no action is taken in the Islands, by the local administration, which would go against this agreement, and (C) Ensure that all other provisions of the agreement are respected
(4) Great Britain and Argentina recognized the existence of different points of view and in relation to the status of the Falkland Islands;
(5) The two Governments recognize that the aspirations and interests of the islanders will be included in the final settlement of the situation of the Islands;
(6) The Contact Group will be responsible for ensuring that the two governments to reach a final agreement before April 30, 1983.
First of all. If you put my name put it right. There's no need to insult. Insulting in a discussion only show the kind of person you are. And you are insulting a surname, which not only I have but many hundredss more across the world.
2) The treaty is about “differences which interreupted commercial and political relations”. Did the Islands did so? No. So they are not one of those differences. They are another. End of story.
3) Oh, sorry. I forgot that at that time if you were not with the Junta you were against it(at least when something important happened). But well, there are like 30.000 reasons to believe it wasn't good to be against them. They all have a connection anyway. It's called fear. Fear to die or see your loved ones die.
4) Sure. You need a a modern destroyer to defend from a military force which is about to reintroduce stones and bows.
And BTW, I agree in some things in disagree in some others in that doccument. But they are not the best people to complain about it. They are hardly remarkable intellectuals. They don't have a reputation like to promote that ideas. These is people that keeps, and keeps, and keeps, and keeps, and keeps, and keeps, and keeps, and keeps complaining about all. From the color of water to the shape of coins. If themselves governed they would complain too. They are like a disco rayado. Now if you tell me that someone like Nelson Castro supports this. Then I see some of it a future. With the actual ones presenting the document I will give it as much repercusion as listening heavy metal while having the volume on mute.
The truth is these islands are not ours and never have been, leave the people who live there alone. Everyday I come on here to read the articles and every day the same venom and insults directed at people posting here, the same one sided view points, the same hatred. It is sad, very sad, to think that this is only how far we come!
You remember 1982 Raul? You remember Galtieri? You have family that was taken from you from the same brave military and security forces, tortured, disappeared, never to be seen again? How many people was it? Tens of thousands of our own people! Children ripped away from their parents, those too old murdered because they did not want the facts to leak out, those under 2 given away to loyal families.
What brought all this to an end? It was our defeat in the Mavlinas. Yet people want to turn back the clock. It is unreal. It is incredible to think we still have people who believe what we did in 82 was right, still defend the military junta and their “brave” officers who murdered their own people. You know what Operation Condor was? Look it up.
How can you defend a war that seen so many people die on all sides? Islanders as well? How can you defend a war of aggression? The UN did not. The international community did not.
Most of the people posting here know very little. I lived through that time. Seen the cowards working away taking children off our streets, raiding homes, cordoning off neighborhoods. The same mentality still prevails. Some of you people need to get out!
There is no excuse for claiming other peoples land. What kind of idiot believes that going back 189 years can change anything? What about going back 30 years? Idiots.
This claim for the Malvians came from, a distraction, from a military government out of control and it hasn't gone away. A bunch of cowards, killing children and our youth. Youth with a vision for Argentina that did not include American corporate domination.
UK has never recognised Argentine claims to the Falkland islands - Indeed Vernet always took his Argentine grant to the British to obtain permission - I think you need to study more.
An action deems a declaration of war. When the Japanese attacked pearl harbour they didn't declare war but the action was war. When Argentina invaded the Falklands the world saw this an an act of war - hence the UN security council condemnation, sanctions against Argentina and the task force setting sail.
As for the Peruvian peace plan Thatcher actually approved it on 5th May, Argentina rejected it on 6th May. They cited the Belgrano, but we were at war and had already retaken South Georgia, shot down 3 aircraft, bombed Stanley, sunk an RG patrol boat and damaged another. You had already hit HMS Sheffield. - so I think a smokescreen by the Junta.
let's go by parts ( as Jack the ripper said...)
Ok, back to history class with you...
Vernet, after being pushed out from the Island by your Army ( or navy) he was no longer governor, SO then, he acted as a person to save his capital, because he was no more governor... is this difficult to understand for you ??? he was not more governor. ..Ok so anything about him after you kicked him out from Malvinas has no political sense... now, you need to study international law ( and spanish :) , just joking ).
Pearl harbour was action of war because japanese KILLED AMERICANS, argentineans did not kill a single soldier or civilian, then this IS NOT act of war, again, go to the books mate.... you are far away from a right example, try again....
Margaret sent the task force due to HER political convenience...
Regarding Peace proposal, it was made by Perú, approved by Argentina an sent to england, then you did not get it and that's all... no rejection.
No no no.... you have a wrong timeline.... acts of war like shooting down planes and the one in Gritviken, were prior to the sinking of Belgrano you are right, but the peace proposal, was sent to you prior you decide to sink the Belgrano, remember, Conqueror followed the Belgrano for more than one day after pressing the button.... Argentina Hit the Sheffield after you sink the Belgrano. commme onnnnnn mate..... i cannot have a discussion with you if you don't study.... or are you inventing history... ??? or are you english ??? sorry but to lie is not a gentleman attitude ....
Act of war , for instance, was to invade Buenos Aires, killing people every were, do you see the difference now ????????? uffff hard task to educate you, no universities in the islands? I hope you can use wikipedia at least...
history class 4 u
2 of may sinking of Belgrano
4 of may sinking of Sheffield
r u drinking? LIAR
And can you write in the other 2 that you know?
I hope your 3 languages will not be Cockney, Newcastle language and rural Englanner
Was I really close?
Come on we are waiting to see your writing language skills.
1) You invaded British protected territory, and for that you declared war on the British, and every ship in your fleet should have been sunk. The fact you only had one sunk is a blessing, and YOUR FAULT FOR STARTING THE CONFLICT. (the UN used Artcle 51 to allow us to self-defend)
2) a peace negotiation isn't just throwing a piece of paper at people with your demands on it. That's yet another 'Argentinian Negotiation', besides it was YOUR FAULT FOR STARTING THE CONFLICT.
3) No one is capable of negotiating in an Argentinian Negotiation because it is an oxymoron.
4) Go to the ICJ.
I'm really not sure how the Argfags can cope with this intense level of faggotry that they exude.
On the one side you have the UK with its story.
On the other side you have Argentina with its story.
Where does the truth lie? OR Who knows the true history?
Hypocrite #
Saying liar in block capitals eh? is that that latin temperament taking over - your president has made many a fool of herself on the public stage because of that - be careful there's a good boy.
So what you are saying is if you attack foreign territory it only becomes war if someone is killed? now who's been drinking?
What I will say is when Galteiri refused the Peruvian peace deal and later refused later British offers he effectively cut off any future discussions. Regarding the Belgrano, well this was a very well executed tactical move as it made the rest of your navy run away like the cowards they are. Hope our subs remember that next time. No use crying over it - like any bully, they are the first to run crying to teacher when someone stands up to them. You don't stop a war midway through because of a peace proposal, (USA learnt that with HAnoi in Vietnam) it continues until you have an agreement otherwise the side that is going to lose.
Finally, your comment re studying international law, well the ICJ deals in international law, therefore that would be a great lesson for you guys.
Did you really say that? Do you really believe that?
If so I'd keep quiet from now on as it's the most idiotic thing I've read on here for a long while - and that is up against some pretty stiff competition.
“acts of war like shooting down planes and the one in Gritviken, were prior to the sinking of Belgrano you are right, but the peace proposal, was sent to you prior you decide to sink the Belgrano, remember, Conqueror followed the Belgrano for more than one day after pressing the button”
So, in argentinian schools they teach them that Argentina didn't kill anyone (LACK OF FACT) and therefore it wasn't an Act of War (LACK OF FACT). Then after not having committed an Act of War, they sent a peace proposal and that should stop us sinking the Belgrano (LACK OF FACT). If it wasn't such an un-sporting turkey-shoot we should have sunk all their boats.
Their school books must be hilarious.
All your sentences are down mate. go back to school. you should not LIE and you did it... you can re- read my last comment, you changed dates of sinking vessels.
try again...
remember, my e mail address is luissuriani@hotmail.com. you can use french, spanish, english, portuguese or some italian as well.
c u miss educated folk....
Your troops go into another country's territory and shoot at that nations armed forces(Our marines) and this is not an act of war?
Your troops failed to kill one marine, while almost loosing a ship, commander and several troops. This is due to the general crappyness of your forces and is not something you should be proud of.
@ Raul I have read this letter and is very funny. The man is clearly in need of some publicity and it sounded like a new Mouth of Sauron. Not all of them there is the same as writing?
Nobel Prize winner should have been stripped of his prize for not knowing this.
We have much to learn. You have a total lack of ideology of Nestor and Cristina Kirchner. I can not help. For you all very funny because you hold ideas based on Nazism, fascism and its variants in English colonialism and imperialism. For you are very funny the Nazi death camps and state terrorism. For you is very normal that your culture racism and allowed the extermination of entire races in Africa and Asia. No wonder you fear and hate and annoy you the Nobel Peace prize. Because they hold the peace and dialogue. Adolf Hitler, Stalin, Joseph Goebbels, Margaret Thatcher, Pinochet, Videla, Galtieri would be happy with you because they hated the Nobel prizes and have the same thought based on death, not life and human rights.
You really are pathetic and pitiful.
Learn from John Lennon and Perez Esquivel, Nobel Peace Prize. They fight for a better world and peace ... Remember this well forever. War is a cowardly thing. Peace is a matter of courage.
43 Xect
Raul, I'm waiting for you to answer my question.
What sense does it answer if you keep insulting and making fun of all Latin Americans in general and Argentina in particular. You have no positive idea for you all negative. God help you.
Kircho and Nesto have an extension of the Ideology called 'Peronism' you can read any old book on Peronism and it'll explain their ideology.It's expansionist, and like Peron himself, aligned with National Socialist governments such as Nazi Germany and Mussolinis italy. I don't need to repeat this.
You come from a country that destroyed its indigenous population, just like Hitler tried to kill all the jews. So I will not talk to you more on that issue. Maybe you need to read about the Odessa ratlines in 1946 to understand your country more.
I’m still curious what language do you write and speak for business? Come bro tell me swahili or paki?
You can tell you have no experience of British English because you have just used a word that would be considered deeply offensive and would get you banned from a UK forum.
You have absolutely no rights or sovereignty. Have fun at the ICJ getting a ruling on all the above.
Are you sure?
I’ve learned from Harry mate, “Prince Harry brands friend ”My little Paki Friend””. It cannot be bad if your royal family us it? Am I wrong?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=63w98Nioz2w
Are you sure that you know English people because when I was in Britain I heard a lot that term from white British yes even if its hard to believe there are still few of them on the Islands.
Now what’s the size of your turbant mate?
[CFK’S CHILDRENS COURT? ] to get support,
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I was in Britain in 2004 and they treat all there Indians like they treat the indigenous British population, many of their Indians are more patriotic towards Britain than the British it is disgust me. They are sick people.
In Argentina we know how to treat Indians. We kill them! Or send them to work in fields.
As for Mulato's!!!!
Mussolini knew how to treat people. Peron's liked Mussolini as do CFK. She is good for Argentina. She show Britain how much we hate them and the pirates that live on our islands before our country even exist.
We must hate more, I don't think we hate enough. With enough hate we can conquer them and become big power of South America. We must become greater than Brazil a country of criminals and Mulato's!!!!
SUPPORT THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES OF ARGENTINA PARTY
(we could call it STIPOAP which i thinks got a good ring to it!)
Manifesto:
Reclaim the country that is rightfully theirs
I call on all, Mapuche, Kolla, Toba, Guaraní, Wichi, Diaguita-Calchaquí , Mocoví , Huarpe, Comechingón, Tehuelche, Quechua, Charrúa, Pilagá, Chané, Chorote, and the Selknam (Ona) people (who are now virtually extinct in their pure form) to get the ball rolling.
Get rid of (in Jorges words) hispanic squatters.
I like the idea, I just cannot see the UN going for it, because the UN typically just colonises countries (e.g. Gibraltar, Falklands, Dokdo, etc)
One of the latest studies on Argentine genetics gives us a figure of 56% of people having Native blood.
edant.clarin.com/diario/2005/01/16/sociedad/s-03415.htm
Ask that 56% too. All who has Native blood should participate in a voting on your ideas.
Flippy off,
Bunga bunga
77 JuanStanic
I would say, if you wish to go down that road,
Then I suggest at least 100% would have African DNA considering that’s where most of us come from,
[I say most of us, because you never know, do you ? ]
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you's 56% monkey maybe
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