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Memorandum for Lady Thatcher on Chile’s support during Falklands’ conflict

It is a well known and admitted fact that the Chilean regime of General Augusto Pinochet provided very useful intelligence to the British effort to recover the occupied Falkland Islands in 1982.

General Matthei joined the military Junta in 1978 and was responsible for intelligence coordination with the Task Force

Now a memorandum on the story of those contacts written by then General Fernando Matthei Auble Chilean Air Force commander has surfaced. The document was provided by Jose Piñera, well known internationally for his private financed national pension scheme implanted in Chile and a man with excellent political contacts.

The memorandum was prepared for Lady Thatcher in 1999 when Pinochet was arrested and placed under house arrest in London

What motivated Piñera to make public the document was that in a November 2009 interview with Brigadier Basilio Lami Dozo, former member of the Argentine Junta that invaded the Falklands and commander of the Air Force, revealed that had Argentina succeeded in retaining the Falklands, afterwards they would attack Chile.

Piñera was authorized by General Matthei to publish his memorandum which although not new is highly revealing on the 30th anniversary of the beginning of the war April 1982.

“In the first days of April 1982, shortly after the Argentinean invasion of the Falkland Islands, the Head of Intelligence of the Chilean Air Force relayed to me that a Wing Commander of the Royal Air Force had arrived in Chile with a personal message from the Chief of the Air Staff of the RAF, and requested an urgent interview.

I received him immediately. It was Wing Commander Sidney Edwards, who at once presented his credentials and asked me if I would be inclined to help the British at this hour. The help they were requesting was mainly in matters of intelligence- As they had never considered Argentina a potential enemy, they had not bothered to gather adequate intelligence on them. He also told me that he was empowered to negotiate directly any urgent requests in aeroplanes, spares or other equipment that the Chilean Air Force needed, in order to strengthen our own defences in view of the Argentine menace. He further pointed out that we should bypass diplomatic channels. That neither the British Ambassador in Chile, nor the British Defence Attaché had any knowledge of him. I told him that before promising anything, I had of course to discuss this with General Pinochet, and get his blessing on the whole idea.

I saw General Pinochet, who was not at all surprised at the British request. We carefully analysed the request and its possible consequences. He authorised the operation on the condition that under no circumstances could Chilean territory be used by the British to mount any operation against Argentina. General Pinochet also instructed me to keep our own Ministry of Foreign Affairs out of the picture. I would like to point out that there was no other person present at this meeting. Wing Commander Edwards was given a complete briefing on the Argentinean Air Force by our own intelligence team. He was then given free access to our air operation centre in Punta Arenas, where we monitored all Argentinean air force operations through our long-range radar and our ground-based communications equipment. Wing Commander Edwards carried a portable radio with a direct satellite link to the staff of the British Task Force. During April 1982 we worked hand in hand with the British. An RAF Nimrod was flown to Chile to perform an electronic and communications mission for mutual benefit. As it flew strictly over Chilean territory, I considered that we were not violating the land rules laid down by General Pinochet.

The Royal Air Force also shipped six disassembled Hawker Hunter planes to Chile on board a C-130 transport airplane. Other C-130s brought a long range military radar, which we installed following British wishes opposite Comodoro Rivadavia. I would like to mention that the C-130s came via Tahiti and Easter Island, because at the time no other South American country would allow over flight of British military airplanes.

We must not forget that Chile was the only Latin American Country that did NOT back Argentina in this war against Britain, and that the President of Chile at the time was General Augusto Pinochet.

So, when the British Task Force arrived in Southern waters, everything was working smoothly. When the British attacked on May 1st, we were able to provide the Task Force Commander with minute to minute information on the Argentinean reaction. We were able to pick up the Argentinean airplanes as they were taking off, and monitored their flight and communications, as they were transmitting in clear voice. We followed their route as far as 50 miles out to sea. The British Task Force had thus a timely warning of the coming attacks, and was able to prepare its defences and scramble its fighters to intercept.

I was also informed immediately of all the ongoing operations, and was able to follow them in my office. Every important piece of information, I passed on to General Pinochet. He constantly reviewed what we were doing, and was highly interested in what was happening. The only snag we ever had was when a British helicopter carrying commandos force-landed on Chilean territory a few miles west of Punta Arenas. We had no knowledge of this operation, and as this violated one of the principles we had laid out, we had a very strong argument with Wing Commander Edwards, who promised it would never happen again.

As the wreck of the helicopter burned, everybody in Punta Arenas, and later in Argentina, got wind of the mysterious helicopter. I informed General Pinochet immediately. He then gave the pertinent instructions to deny all Chilean knowledge of this to our own Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and I was given a free hand to help the crew out of Chile.

The crew was ordered through their own radio links to give themselves up at a clearly specified Chilean Air Force facility. We then put them on regular airline flights to the United Kingdom.

At the end, I would like to mention another event of great consequences. At the very end of the Falklands War, on June 8th, two British attack transports, “Sir Gallahad” and “Sir Tristam”, were attacked and destroyed by Argentinean fighter bombers with considerable loss of life. That day, after several months of continuous operation, our long-range radar had to be switched off for long-overdue maintenance. The Argentinean forces were then able to achieve a complete surprise attack. One can only speculate how the British Task Force would have fared, without the half-hour warnings on Argentinean air strikes provided by Chilean intelligence.

As a final word, I would like to say that this co-operation has never been mentioned before, and it would have never been mentioned had it not been for the very unjust situation in which General Pinochet finds himself today in Britain. A country he helped in a time of need, and when no other Latin American county was willing to do anything in favour of the United Kingdom.

 

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1 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 02:46 pm Report abuse
A shameful part of Chile´s history...They should have remained neutral in the conflict. Nothing worse than a traitor stabbing you on the back...ufff
2 The Cestrian (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 02:50 pm Report abuse
'd personally like to thank ?chile for their support in 1982. Its good too see a South american country recognizing the violence and illegal occupation of British sovereign territory and righting a great wrong from the Argentine Dictatship; an illegal invasion that was greeted with joy from every single member of the RG population.

Shame on the RG's - great credit to Chile; our friends.
3 Max (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 02:53 pm Report abuse
Here is the one of the proofs that UK can not do any operations lonely.
4 Frank (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 02:57 pm Report abuse
@1 A shameful part of RG history more like it...Chile was going to be next to feel the RG jackboot....
0100 in Sydney? you are up late..... wogboy nong
5 GreekYoghurt (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
@4 I was about to say, apparently it wasn't shameful for them to invade the falklands???

This shows you that however veiled their lies are, just under the surface is their wish the re-invade.
6 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
How many demons are running loose in this man´s soul??
Every face tells a story.
7 ElaineB (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 03:05 pm Report abuse
We know the facts. Argentina planned to invade Chile after the Falklands.
8 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
That is why Chile and Argentina and the rest of nations in South America should only be ONE NATION.
9 ChrisR (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
This explains why Margaret Thatcher was a great supporter of General Pinochet. What a pity the rest of us were not aware of the immense help that Chile gave to the UK.

And what a good job we kicked the arses of the Argies back to the mainland as it now appears the Junta were going to invade Chile had the Falklands (there are no Malvinas) war gone their way.

3 Max

You are a complete idiot. WE MADE THE MISTAKE of thinking you were never going to attack the Falklands.

What do you think we think now (I realise this is in 'I don't Think' language - my apologies to the Brits)?
10 GreekYoghurt (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 03:16 pm Report abuse
@7 And they planned to invade Chile before. It was called Operation Soberania but I forget why they didn't do it. I think the Odessa-love pope got in the middle.

Either way, it's not like they were being peaceful, they just wanted lebensraum.
11 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 03:17 pm Report abuse
Given that the duplicitous Argentinian b@st@rds planned to attack Chile next, it was in Chile's own interest to help make sure that the UK gave Argentina a good hiding.

It is quite hilarious to see the likes of aussie_sunshine claim that Chile stabbed Argentina in the back, when it is now a matter of public record that Argentina was planning to do exactly that to Chile.

Who has the moral high ground? The country that launches unprovoked attacks on neighbours, or the alliance that defends itself against those deplorable and unprovoked attacks? I know who my money is on.

That said, I do think Pinochet was a despicable man and as bad as the Junta. And like the members of the Junta, he deserved everything he ultimately got - and then some.

You can't maintain moral authority if you let that sort of lowlife off the hook, in defiance of properly constituted requests, simply because he helped you in the past.
12 Frank (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 03:20 pm Report abuse
@8 'That is why Chile and Argentina and the rest of nations in South America should only be ONE NATION.' ...... under the RG Jackboot??
Do your parents know you are still up? It is rather late wogboy....
13 LEPRecon (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 03:21 pm Report abuse
A memo from more than 10 yrs ago about a man who died in 2006 I believe.

I can understand that some people in Chile felt aggrieved by the UK arresting General Pinochet, but there was no real choice as an international warrant for his arrest had been made.

All countries are bound by international law regardless of how uncomfortable following it can be sometimes.

However, I know that the British and the Falkland Islanders are grateful for the help Chile gave against what was a brutal and aggressive regime in Argentina in 1982.
14 malen (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 03:26 pm Report abuse
nice to see how UK democratic and human rights and peaceful rights get engaged with dictators once again, and that was Thatcher itself.
The divide and conquer is now the propaganda these ukis are playing, Chile in democracy is not backing UK anymore. Latinamerica has learned lessons, knows what is best for them.
15 JohnN (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
Obviously, CKF's government will make out of this British-Pinochet cooperation what they can, as any cooperation with Pinochet is something frowned upon with good reason - they were killing some of their dissidents as well. However, in time of war, one must decide who will help defeat your enemy. As much as Pinochet was a dictator, he was not in the mould of a totalitarian like Stalin - with whom all the allies cooperated in WWII. It seems that Pinochet never quite got the wholesale slaughter going as well as Argentina had done, what with the Naval Mechanics School, vuelos de muerte over the ocean, etc, etc. Seems that all the Argentine activists clamouring against Britain now can't imagine the continuing Argentine slaughter if Britain had not defeated the Argentine junta and some of those activists would have been on the hit-list too.
16 GreekYoghurt (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 03:32 pm Report abuse
@14 You're argentinian so you don't even know what human rights are.

Chile might have learned it's lesson, that you were intending to invade them, as you try to invade everyone else.
17 LEPRecon (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 03:33 pm Report abuse
@14 - as opposed to Argentina who has continually threatened all of it's neighbours over the years with invasion and ludicrous demands on territories which have never belonged to them. These include your 'good buddies' Chile and Uraguay as well as the Falklands.

It's only a matter of time before your country is isolated from the world by its continual ludicrous actions, politcally and economically.

I'd start buying US$ if I were you, as Argentina's currency isn't going to be worth the paper it's printed on - and much sooner than you think.
18 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 03:47 pm Report abuse
The Chile of today is not the Chile of 1982.They have become good neighbours and are working close in all areas. This is the correct path to take. And never let any nation divide and conquer them.
19 malen (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 03:54 pm Report abuse
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm my God, what are you saying JohnN!!!!
“...as much as Pinochet was a dictator, he was not in the mould of a totalitarian like Stalin.” hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Pinochet was a dictator and friend of you, like others you have had recently Kadhafi, Hussein, Assad, etc, remember those dicatators you first sell them arms, and then accused them of violating human rights, so invades them.
Pinochet was a dictator militar not elected by people, and killed many in its country and also usurpated power to stay in power (obvioulsy) by force.
20 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 03:56 pm Report abuse
@19 malen

Can you really not do better than that totally hackneyed and illiterate trolling spew?
21 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
@19 well said.
22 ElaineB (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 04:07 pm Report abuse
You might be surprised about how polarised Chileans are regarding Pinochet's time in power.

There is not a lot of love for Argentines in Chile. It is more a case of not angering the excitable and noisy neighbours.

Modern Chile is a stable and growing economy, trading with countries all over the world. It it an adult country in comparison to the adolescent Argentina. Argentina could learn a lot Chile.
23 malen (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 04:14 pm Report abuse
chileans different to argentina have another relation with militars that arg doesnt have.
and second that doesnt mean that Pinochet was not a dictator and used state terrorim to desappear people
www.desaparecidos.org/chile
24 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
@22 yeah!! and who helped out Chile in the last earthquake??
yep!! you guessed it??
25 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
@24 aussie sunshine

Yes you are quite right, the UK did help Chile after the earthquake.
26 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 04:38 pm Report abuse
@25 yes you are right...50,000 pounds from the red cross in Britain.
Argentina:
1) Three field hospitals
2) 1800 tons of food.
3) electrical power generators.
4) ten thousand doses vaccine against Hepatitis A
Nice pay back for helping the Brits in the Falklands war.

China sent 2,000,000 dollars worth of aid. Nice to know who your friends really are.
27 The Cestrian (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 04:43 pm Report abuse
@26

Almost all of your post is bound to be made up shite. It usually is from you RG's.
28 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
@26 aussie sunshine

Hilarious how you edited the UK's contributions down and exaggerate Argentina's help .. and still expect people to believe your drivel :)
29 williefish (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
@1 it`s stab you in the back you spic
30 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
@28 shameful wasn´t it!!?? 50,000 pounds after they helped you win back the Falklands!!

@29 stick it up your assh*** shithead!!
31 Diddles (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 05:03 pm Report abuse
As a 5th generation Australian, married to a Chilean, and with a Chilean sister an law for good measure, I find Aussie sunshines remarks a joke.

My guess is he is either some lefty South American refugee living here, or a local misguided Aussie leftist...the Bolivaian remarks about one South American nation make that clear....sure Aussie Sunshine really does love CFK as she's becoming a good mate of Chavez and other loony tune characters like goog old Iran.

Although Pinochet was no angel, with his own bad human rights record, even people like him can sometimes do the right thing. Remember WWII, when Stalin fought with the west aaginst the Nazis. History, like life, is not always black or white, its often complicated.

The bottom line is that Britain and Chile have enjoyed good relations going back to the early 1800's at least. A Briton, Lordd Cochrane, helped their navy beat the Spanish for instance and Britain backed Chile in the War of the Pacific.

Also, Chile's good business and government practises today reflect the positive British influence. Argentina used to enjoy a strong and positive influence too...many Britons lived there and built their rail system for example....but it eventually fell under a strong Italian influence amongst irs migrant population, and sadly Italy doesnt provide agood role model for good governance.

As to the Falklands, has Aussie sunshine met a Falklander or travellled there yet. My guess is obviously not. A pity as they are good people who run their country well...yes, Britain looks after defence and foreign affairs, but all other facets are covered by them. Many South American nations, particularly Argentina, coul learn a lot from the Islanders attitudes to good governance, including proper law and order and accountability.

I have some cousins who live there and the Islanders are proud of their identity. They participate in Commonwealth and Small Nation Games for instance.

Come on Argentina, grow up and deal with real issues.
32 LEPRecon (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 05:07 pm Report abuse
@26 - I think you'll find the British Government offered 'whatever it could' to help the people of Chile, leaving it up to the Chilean Government to decide the best commodities and assistance it needed. It's rather vulgar to put a price on human life, and you obviously think that it's important to keep a record of how much was donated. Do you think ths makes Argentina better than anyone else, and therefore the Chileans should be forever in your debt?

Why? At least 49 nations donated money to help Chile, also international institutions such as the UN, EU, OAS and the World Bank gave aid too. On top of this there were numerous aid agencies from different countries in the world that provided aid and expert help. So any individual nations assistance was just a part of a coordinated international effort.
33 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 05:08 pm Report abuse
@30 aussie sunshine

But it wasn't £50,00 you cretin. Nor were the search and rescue teams, water engineers and logisticians. That was all non-governmental aid in addition to the several UK government's several Boeing C-17 Globemaster's rammed with equipment, supplies and tents.

Sorry to burst your fascist bubble.
34 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 05:17 pm Report abuse
@31 I know it hurts to know that The Uk only dished out 50,000 pounds for the earthquake relief fund and help out the Chilians. (wilkipedia-humanitarian response to the Chile earthquake) bloody shameful!!

I totally agree with you that the Islanders have a good attitude to governance and run their colony well and that Britain helped chile in so many wars and now we have the British to thank for the good finacial shape of Chile and that it was the fault of the poor ITALIANS who stuffed it up after the ImperialBritish Power left Chile to its destiny!!!and that I am a leftist or a refugee but people like Pinochet..it isn´t April the 1st..is it?
.....but The UK only gave out 50,000 in aid
35 Frank (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 05:24 pm Report abuse
@30 aussie sunshine (#)
“stick it up your assh*** shithead!!”

Its 'Arse' you diego imposter ........ stop trying to be somethink you are not...

Oh and the Chilean man in the street doesn't like or trust the RGs....
36 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
@35 just because you say ASS doesn´t mean I can say ARSE!!
its democracy and I live in a free country...
37 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 05:35 pm Report abuse
@36 aussie sunshine

Well you wouldn't be in a free country if you lived in the Argentine shithole .. so count your blessings
38 Martin Woodhead (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 05:35 pm Report abuse
www.flickr.com/photos/dfid/4410791577/

#34 Thats a c17 loaded with aid aussie old mate and wasnt the only one.
39 LEPRecon (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 05:35 pm Report abuse
@34 - the British Red Cross initially gave £50,000 in aid. The UK government provided money, search and rescue teams, equipment and aircraft.

Oh yes, regarding you saying that Argentina donated 3 field hospitals, actually Chile had to request them. There is a logical reason behind the request, the Chilean government has to coordinate what it needs with the international community or it ends up with everyone sending them item A, when they also need items B, C and D. Brazil also sent a field hospital. It's logical to get these assets from countries in proximity as it takes too long to send them from half way around the world, especially when help is needed soonest.

You also forget that the UN, EU and World Bank gave money and aid to Chile. The UK, along with many OTHER countries, give money to these institutions. So to say the UK only donated x amount of money is an erroneous statement. However, in a humanitarian disaster, it is distasteful to count the cost of aid. Apparently you think it's okay, and will no doubt be throwing it in the faces of the Chileans every time they disagree with you. Yes, very distasteful indeed. I just hope that all Argentinians aren't as mercenary as you appear to be.
40 ElaineB (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 05:36 pm Report abuse
About a month ago I was in Santa Cruz, Chile, and met the English chap who took all the official photographs of the disaster for the Red Cross. He donated his time; no charge. And I met hoteliers who donated their rooms for rescue workers, doctors, etc.; no charge.

You are right that a lot of countries offered help to Chile after the earthquake - I also remember the initial response was, “We are fine we don't need help” - but that changed to accepting assistance where the Chileans decided they needed it.

I doubt AS has set foot in Chile, Argentina or anywhere in South America.
41 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
@38 Martin Woodhead

Nice one, Martin - that just confirms what I said and shows the faux aussie up as the incorrigible tosser he is ;)
42 LEPRecon (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
@38. Good link, however our friend AS only gets his info from the fount of all knowledge, Wikipedia, and then he only selects the parts that suit his extremely biased view of the world.
43 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 05:51 pm Report abuse
@42 LEPRecon

It is a good job aussie didn't look to see what his precious Spain gave (according to Wikipedia): a big fat nothing .. although I suppose for Spain he will go off to find other sources in order to try to big them up :)
44 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 06:02 pm Report abuse
@38 that was part of the 50,000 pounds :)
45 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 06:07 pm Report abuse
Oh, and look at Australia's shamefully non-existent aid response (according to Wikipedia) :)
46 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
@I agree Australia was another insult!! My local member got an ear full!!
47 ljordao (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 06:09 pm Report abuse
@8:

Get lost. I'm Brazilian, and I don't want my country to become one nation with any Spanish-speaking country.
48 Frank (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 06:09 pm Report abuse
@36 Diego gloom... the only person you would hear saying 'Ass' in Australia would be a seppo or someone who had learnt 'merkin english. You said 'Ass' therefore you are not australian... QED
49 Brit Bob (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
@46 Argie Sunshine
50 LEPRecon (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 06:13 pm Report abuse
@44 - the Red Cross is an independent body, that means it is separate from the government. In a previous post you said that £50,000 was how much the BRC gave. You conveniently ignore the fact that the UK government also gave assistance. You also conveniently ignored the other 40 odd counties that gave aid, citing China as the only other country to give aid.

As usual with people like yourselves, you try to twist even the vaguest facts to fit your world view, and as usual are found lacking.

However, I'd like to give you some friendly advice - buy US$ as Argentine currency soon won't be worth the paper it's printed on.
51 McClick (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 06:15 pm Report abuse
The Geography tells us ...........

We should savvy that Any militaric operations can not be made unless buying Bolivia & Chile against Argentina....

The Pinochet revenges is the Chile's internal problem not Argentina's..

My advice to Argentina to be quiet from avoiding some distractions...!
52 Frank (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
@46 Wogboy.... you need a bum rebuild...maybe after that you won't talk so much shit...
Chile earthquake – 27 February 2010
A magnitude 8.8 earthquake hit Chile at 3:35am local time on Saturday 27 February. Aftershocks as large as 6.0 in magnitude are still continuing. The epicentre was 325 km southwest of the capital in the moderately populated region of Bio-Bio in central Chile. Countrywide about 1.5 million Chileans were affected and 200,000 homes severely damaged.

The Australian Government has provided $1 million in emergency assistance and an additional $4 million for reconstruction and recovery. Australian agencies are supporting their in-country partners' emergency assistance efforts.
..
www.acfid.asn.au/what-we-do/humanitarian-emergencies/previous-responses

stupid little wop
53 Max (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 06:24 pm Report abuse
| 47 |

Where are from Brasil..?
54 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
@50 The overall world aid was dismal to a humanitarian catastrophe in this scale. Only China showed where its mouth is, andit is no wonder they are dominating the world economy.
55 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
@48 Frank

Thanks for confirming my suspicions on his status as a faux Aussie :)
56 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
@52 I don´t normally give out English classes but in your case I have.

I won´t- ------ I will not
I wouldn`t------ I would not

stupid little wop
57 McClick (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
My # 51 post is vey heavy weight ..

I don't guess it can be discussed here also with this article pictured like mespilus faces...
58 LEPRecon (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
@54 - not all aid has to be money. You can't eat money, it can't cure the sick or provide shelter. Instead a lot of counties donated more useful things such as food, tents, clothing, medicines, specialist search and rescue teams, logistical support, medical personnel, experts at looking after displaced persons.

Countries and aid agencies all around the world have supplies, equipment and personnel ready to be deployed to any disaster in the world at short notice because must fatalities occurr within 24-72 hours after a disaster. To buy these things, train people etc...after an incident has occurred would take too much time.

So the international community agrees between them what aid is given by certain countries, whether it be medical personnel (such as those provided by Argentina, Brazil etc...) or tents, water purification equipment and search and rescue teams (as provided by the UK and others). The money is more important in the weeks and months following the disaster, in the rebuilding phase.
59 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
@57 McClick

The problem wasn't that your post is heavyweight .. it is that it is incomprehensible gibberish and no-one has a freakin' clue what you are on about.

Sorry, just telling it like it is.
60 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 06:47 pm Report abuse
@58 you sound logical and sensible, nice to read you....

@59 LOL
61 Diddles (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
Aussie sunshine, you are an embarrassment. A classic unappreciative radical lefty, be it a South American economic/political refugee, or a local deluded one. They really hate western governments.

And yes, you are a radical, as you support the idea of one South American nation, like your good mate Chavez, the ratbag that runs Venezuela. CFK and Bolivia's counterpart are good mates too of Chavez.

If you were a fair dinkum Aussie, you would understand the right of the Falklanders to decide their future. And yes, Chileans living on the Falklands support that view.

Do you see Brazil or Surinam getting their knickers in a knot about the presence of French Guiana, a French colony on the South American continent. No, No, No.

As to China...you show your true colours again. Yes, China is rising, but it is no champion of human rights...been to Tibet lately. China, unlike western countries, has no interest in such issues as is evidenced by their refusal to support action against Syria.

Aussie sunshine, do our nation a favour, and go back to the good life in dear old Argentina...sorry, we are not sending dole payments there.
62 McClick (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
| 59 |

I always think/say in wide range and strategic...

The real English can not perceive your style/talking language...
You should prefer more rough telling....
63 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 06:54 pm Report abuse
@62 McClick

Well, given that I am not English (or even British) I shall leave the Anglophones to answer that one (if they have yet managed to figure out what you are on about .. cos I sure as hell haven't).
64 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
@61 ummm..you say: I am radical.hate western governments, I am a friend of Chavez,if I was a dinkum Aussie I would understand the right of the Islanders, (have I said anything against them?),let me see, what else??
French colonies (what has this got in common with the islanders?), I like the colours of the Chinese, and you want to send me a dole payment???

I am confused!!??
65 McClick (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
| 63 |

I know ....

just a sample that how to talk with an British/English ...
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| 60 |

hey ..Aussie

let the crap comments in wasting our time ..!

tell us ..when the Aussie will be full independent....

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wait and see..the reply coming if he/she is real Monarchist English..
66 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 07:10 pm Report abuse
Oh God, not this bizarre drivel about Australia not being a fully independent country again, is it? Some people really should have been aborted at conception.
67 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 07:13 pm Report abuse
@65 SOON SOON !! we missed out in the last referendum but SOON we shall be FREE!! :)

mind you! I have nothing against the British Monarchy. In fact, I admire her majesty the Queen and of course the English way of life. The UK would not be The UK without The MONARCHY. but...

we should be independent..we are grown up now..
68 McClick (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 07:22 pm Report abuse
| 67 |

You natural flag will be certainly on the “” yellow--green--black“” colours...not contains union jack,space stars,kangaro,kaola,sheep,..etc

&&&&&& ..I love all English but not Monarchy..
69 Brit Bob (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 07:26 pm Report abuse
@67 Argie Sunshine

You should know if you were actually an Australian that 'Australia is an independent state' It just choses to have the Queen as Head of State. This is unlike Argentina which has a facist regime.
70 McClick (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
| 69 |

We know Aussie people choses the same Queen in general elections of every 4/5 years..
71 Diddles (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 07:33 pm Report abuse
Aussie Sunshine, from your mouth you said that there should be one country in South America...who supports loopy ideas like that...Chavez, and his fellow Bolivarians.

You also criticised Chile for supporting Britain in the Falklands War, and not its dear neighbour Argentina. A dear neighbour that had threatened war in 1980 and threatened to invade Chile if it had been successful in the Falklands. Yes, Pinochet was no Mother Teresa, but history is not black and white. In this instance, Pinochet by supporting Britain, did the Falklanders and the world the greater good.

Also, lets not forget, thanks to Argentina losing that war, democracy came back to Argentina a lot sooner than would otherwise been the case. So, a lot of Argies should be thanking Britain and Thatcher for that fact....that junta caused the death and disappearance of 30000 of its citizens.

In a way, the result of the Falklands War started a domino effect that brought about a return to democracy across South America by the end of that decade.

As to French Guiana....if it can exist on the South American continent, without any qualms from Brazil or Surinam, what is the problem with the Falklands being a overseas territory, 500km from the Argentine coast. The Falklanders are entitled to decide their future....Argentina needs to grow up and better manage its economy (and get its corruption under control)...perhaps learn from little brother, Chile, which is leaving it for dead economically.

I have visited Argentina many times and its people deserve better governance...not deluded types CFK and their foreign minister strutting the world stage and emabrrassing them.

Again, like those 6 Nobel prize winners, perhaps you should travel to the Falklands and meet the people and learn a few facts on the ground. South America speaks several languages, not just Spanish, but also Portuguese, English (Guyana and FI), Dutch (Surinam) and French (French Guiana), not forgetting the native tongues. Cheers mate
72 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 07:41 pm Report abuse
@69

oh come on?? Fascist regime??!! she was voted in! ( probably by an un educated majority but voted in she was).

“I know Australia is an independent state” but I would prefer to be independent from The UK Monarchy. ( no offence to HMG)

@68 the BOXING KANGAROO. it is one of the flags most used over here especially in sport events :)
73 McClick (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 07:43 pm Report abuse
I think some Nobel Prize winners and Human Right Activits should travel to the Aussie and investigate them as for “” Aborigins and Torres Straight Islands “” event in the history...
74 Frank (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
@66 quite a few cases for retrospective abortion on this site...

@65 SOON SOON !! we missed out in the last referendum but SOON we shall be FREE!! :)...we should be independent..we are grown up now..
@72 “I know Australia is an independent state” but I would prefer to be independent from The UK Monarchy. ( no offence to HMG)
You really are on the back foot now aren't you wog boy....
2 Points ...the Queen of England has nothing to do with Australia..their head of state is the Queen of Australia...same person...different hat...
... the boxing kangaroo flag is used in the main by bogans....
In a few short words tell us all you know about the Eureka Stockade flag..
Isn't it very late for you to be out of bed??
75 cornishair (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
69 I agree with you until Argentina (a fascist regime) gets rid of the botox dictorship, no-one in the world will listen to them. No matter how much KFC cries about the falkland lands. And yes argy sunshine from where most people are sitting Argentina is a fascist country
76 McClick (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
| 75 |

www.ask.com/wiki/List_of_British_fascist_parties
77 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:06 pm Report abuse
@72 aussie sunshine

Fascism is a authoritarian nationalist political ideology and whether someone was voted in doesn't dictate whether of not they are a fascist.

In Italy, Benito Mussolini was elected as a fascist.

In Argentina, Peron was a fascist and Peronism is by definition a fascist movement and Cristina Fernández stands for a party that proclaims itself to be Peronist.

Go figure.
78 cornishair (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
Haha please do better then that!. Tell me what country was throwing people out of planes, into the south atlantic 30 years ago? was it britan or a banana republic :p
79 Frank (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
and by and large she rules by decree..
80 McClick (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
| 78 |

hey....corn eating boy

Would you tell us the historic event which was
“” Freemontle (west Aussie) massacre /1830 ..realized by
British Commander Irwin ..“”
81 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
Freemontle? Good grief - this is pure comedy gold LOL
82 Diddles (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:23 pm Report abuse
Aussie Sunshine (my dear lefty mate), so you loved the Whitlam Labor Government and don't like the Monarchy. What a surprise! Chances are, you werent even living in Australia back in 1975, because if you were, you would know that whatever Governor General Kerr's issues with drink, he was still a former NSW Supreme Court Judge who had no other choice but to dismiss the govt....parliament was not functioning...the govt could not get its budget passed as it did not control the senate....an election needed to happen to sought out the mess...it happened, and the people supported the Governor General's decision by voting against the Labor Party in a big way....the Liberal/Counytry Party Coalition cruised to victory.

It's no surprise you don't support the monarchy in Australia either. Obviously, you don't have a deep understanding of this country...a superficial one, maybe, but that's all. Also, Melbourne is a good place for you, lots of lefties down there, really there spiritual home in Australia.

Australia has done well as a nation because of its links to Britain. Our respect for law and order is derived from Britain, a place where that means something. The Poms might not be the fanciest cooks or be able to throw the wildest parties (ala Latin style)-but law and order, accountability and democracy means something to them, and we Australians, thanks to our British and Irish settlers, brought that here.

The Falklanders, like us Aussies, are not keen or stupid enough to surrender their lifestyle and culture and economic wellbeing to a coutry that cant govern itself...yes, Argentina...a country that is being by politicians that live in a time warp.

God Save the Queen, a great lady and a great institution...Australia needs a republic like a hole in the head...The Falklanders too would much rather a monarch symbolically representing them too then some third rate Argentinian populist president.
83 cornishair (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:23 pm Report abuse
Hey mullet boy :)

I'm talking 20th century history (30 years ago), If you need to dig up the 19th century i think i've already won lol.
84 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
@83 cornishair

Don't tell him that Frederick Irwin was Irish - that could just be the final straw ;)
85 McClick (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
| 83 |

You talk about 20 th century .....????

Ok ...!

Would you tell us the historic event which was
“”...(Aussie) Coniston/1928.....the massacre realized by William Murray
for the revenge of Frederick Brooks killing.....“”
86 Frank (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:31 pm Report abuse
'The Poms might not be the fanciest cooks'
Dunno about that.... I can't get enough of Nigella's dumplings .....

Pommie tucker is way in front of that RG Asado stuff..... talk about 'bits of the cow that have no name'.... yekkkkkkk.... chuckchunder
87 cornishair (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
84 I do love your posts! crisp in to the point :). It's funny how well the Irish did out of the British Empire, I read somewhere they filled most of the civil service jobs (outside of the uk) during the 19th century.
88 LEPRecon (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:34 pm Report abuse
@83 - excellent point.

@84 - LOL. We can only hope.
89 Diddles (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
Bottom Line, Argentina needs to focus on fixing up its economy and dealing better with corruption. Sadly, that looks unlikely for some years to come. Chile, Brazil, Peru, Colombia and even Uruguay are starting to look at Argentina as a bit of an economic and political joke. Pinera, Chile's President, whatever his public remarks, is no doubt very concerned about his next neighbour....the main reason for his diplomatic niceties recently is that he is trying some Chilean business interests there....he doesnt want to risk them being savataged.

Remember the real inflation rate in Argentina is 22-30%, not the dodgy 7/9% that the Argentinian Govt quotes. The well respected magazine, the Economist slams the current administration, as do many other respected media sources, icluding Clarin and the Buenos Aires Herald.
90 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
@85 McClick

So, in 1928, 31 people killed in the last known massacre of indigenous Australians .. and 50 years later in Argentina, in a very changed world, we still have tens of thousand being killed in the Dirty Wars.

Thanks, I think we just established which the backward country is.
91 cornishair (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:43 pm Report abuse
85 Mcfly

Oh well thats sad. Funny thing is it was in 1928 so you should ask an Aussie about it as they had a Federal government at the time, not much to do with the british.
92 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:47 pm Report abuse
@86 Frank

To be fair, I have to say that I think Argie nosh is top drawer. Can't beat a good asado and a slab of beef the size of a brick that melts in your mouth.

Best beef in the world bar none.
93 LEPRecon (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
@91 - you must remember that to people like McClick, the British (meaning English as they're too ignorant to know that Welsh and Scottish are British too) are responsible for every evil deed that has happened in the world, from the crucifixion of Christ to present day.
94 cornishair (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:52 pm Report abuse
92 Not that i've eaten it but i hear Wagyu steak is the best :) Now back to the silly Argentineans!
95 McClick (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:52 pm Report abuse
| 90 |

Who says “” tens of thousands being killed in the quasi war circa 1980 “”

Do you have any proofs to indicate them...??

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| 91|

It should be investigated in her majesty's courts in Aussie ?? !!
96 LEPRecon (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
On another thread it appears the Argentine government has pissed of the biggest Brazilian oil company, this will do doubt piss off the Brazilian people and government.

Kirchner certainly knows how to treat her allies.
97 cornishair (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
Umm.. your own government for one ehehehehehehehheehehehehehheehe Ha! to easy NEXT :p
98 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
“More than 30,000 Argentine citizens died in the military junta's 'dirty war'. Now one of its 400 torture camps is to be a public memorial to the disappeared. But as far-right groups intimidate those prepared to speak up, it seems the war of silence is not over.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/3673470/Argentinas-dirty-war-the-museum-of-horrors.html
99 Frank (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
@92 true nuff..... patagonian lamb is pretty good too.... I think its all in the slow cooking on the spit as much as the beef itself.........
100 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 09:01 pm Report abuse
@82 Kerr was after all appointed by Whitlam for the supreme court judge.
If the budget could not have been passed and they did not control the senate. It should have been THE WHITLAM GOVERNMENT who should have calle dfor fresh elections and NOT A GOVERNOR GENERAL.

That is why the USA, for example, is in the forefront in world affairs and we are just followers with no self representation in world affairs.
“ Australia has done well as a nation because of our links to Great Britain”
I agree totally. But this doesn´t mean that we should go our own way and be independent, even Jamaica will be calling for the Independence ticket any day soon.
101 cornishair (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 09:01 pm Report abuse
I wonder where Danyberger is? i need a good laugh.
102 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
Jamiaca is independent you dickwad
103 McClick (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 09:08 pm Report abuse
| 93 |

We don't say “” British“” becouse “” Welsh and Scots “” are not English..

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| 98 |

You should discuss them with English boys based on only usual English media opinions ........not with me ..!

Bring to me real documents/evidences..and intelligence information..
104 cornishair (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
No self representation in world affairs are YOU SHITTING ME!. Its been a very long time since the UK has told you what to do. Or is your seat it the UN not yours?, or all the resent Wars your government chose to join not up to the people of you state. tard!
105 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
@103 McClick

English boys? It was written by an Argentinian you cretin.

Even the Comisión Nacional sobre la Desaparición de Personas states that the number of missing is 9,000 provable and more likely closer to 30,000.
106 LEPRecon (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
@100 - How could the Whitlam Government call for new elections when it was paralysed?

The reason the Queen or in this case Her representative has the ability to dissolve parliament and call for new elections is because she is non-partisan. This means she has no political ambitions or preferences, so can advise both sides, as she has nothing to gain or lose.

A President, however, is a political animal who by their very nature is biased despite best intentions. They have something (their position) to lose, and will not lays act in the best interests of the country. The same is true of all politicians.

The US system has it's problems too. It was only last year that their entire Federal government nearly ground to a halt because congress and the senate couldn't agree on a budget, putting their own political beliefs before the good of the country.

I know that a Constitutional Monarchy isn't perfect, but it is a democratic as the US or French systems of government.

In the words of Winston Churchill, “Democracy is the worst form of Government, that is, after every other form of Government.”
107 cornishair (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 09:20 pm Report abuse
McDick do you know anything about the UK? I am British, but not English. Get your facts right before you comment! again tard.
108 McClick (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
| 105 |

It says “” missed “” (desaparecidos ) not say “” died “” (muertos)..!
109 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 09:24 pm Report abuse
@104 cornishair

I bet he doesn't realise that Governor Generals of Australia by law have to be Australians and that you have to go back to 1961 to find the last non-Australian being appointed *rolls eyes*

@108 McClick

Oh, so you think the 'missing' just went away on an extended holiday do you? Talk about disrespecting the people who died at the hands of the Junta .. you really are a total; disgrace.
110 McClick (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 09:28 pm Report abuse
| 107 |

You are not (nobody) British..
You are English ..or Welsh...or Scot ....!

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| 109 |

You have no any proofs ...
You just have some opinions....
111 cornishair (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
109 Next he'll be telling us Adolf Hitler had some good ideas!

110 You really don't understand the UK do you?
112 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
@110 McClick

So now you are denying the 'dirty war' - and shameful episode in not only the history of Argentina, but also in the history of those countries whose governments at the very least turned a blind eye to the activities of the Junta .. and an episode which is openly acknowledged by the government of Argentina.

Thanks, but I think I have read all I need to read form you. You are quite clearly a certifiably insane and a totally inept troll.
113 LEPRecon (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 09:36 pm Report abuse
@110 - or he could be Cornish, technically administered by the Duchy of Cornwall and not the Crown.

British people come from the British Isles, which consist of several different nations:-

The Kingdom of England
The Kingdom of Scotland
The Principality of Wales
The Duchy of Cornwall
The Isle of Mann
Numerous other smaller islands surrounding the coastline
Technically the island of Ireland constitutes part of the British Isles, but the north don't mind being called British, but the south don't partiularly like it.
114 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
@@110 McClick

Report of Conadep (National Commission on the Disappearance of Persons) - 1984

www.nuncamas.org/english/library/nevagain/nevagain_000.htm

Just an opinion, eh?
115 cornishair (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
113 thanks :)

Cornish in the isles, british outside the isles. Tho i don't think someone from a Authoritarian regime will understand the concept?. Explains the BOT thing as well i think.
116 McClick (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
| 113 |

In technically ...the members of Monarchy could be a “” British “” but a member of “” People “” can never be a “” British “”......

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| 114 |

It is only New York/London published report.saying on “” desaparecidos “”
Everybody can write a report on whatever subject that wanted...

These are not documents/proofs /intelligence information.....
117 LEPRecon (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
@115 - my pleasure. Anything for a fellow Brit. ;-)
118 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 09:57 pm Report abuse
@111 Hitler did have some good ideas.

The freeway/highway/
The beatle volkswagen..

you see there was some good in the old devil..
119 McClick (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
| 118 |

90 % of the technology are used today are from Nazi Germany..!
120 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 10:01 pm Report abuse
@119 there you go!!
121 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 10:01 pm Report abuse
@116 McClick

It is the official translated of 'Nunca Más', the Buenos Aires published report of the Comisión Nacional sobre la Desaparición de Personas, which was created as the official investigatory body of the 'dirty war' by President Raúl Alfonsín on 15 December 1983 and was one of the preparatory documents to the trial of the military juntas of the dictatorship.

Squirm and make all the excuses you like, but if seriously think that is just a report written by anybody, then your are thicker than frozen pig-shit stick and are engaging in something akin to Holocaust denial.

On which note you have proved that you aren't worth any further effort.
122 LEPRecon (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
@116 - McClick, I don't wish to appear rude but you comments make no sense. Can you clarify?
123 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 10:06 pm Report abuse
@116 McClick

A person can't be British, eh? Prove it!!
124 McClick (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 10:11 pm Report abuse
| 121 |

preparatory document = political report

These are not real documents/ proofs/intelligence informations....

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| 122 |

The Monarch represents all units of Britannia who members are could be “” British “”.

Each person of “” the People “” does not represent whole Britannia only
represent own origins where can not be “” British “”...
125 Skåre (#) Apr 05th, 2012 - 10:17 pm Report abuse
@124 McClick

If you think that then you haven't even bothered to look at the report.

As for your ridiculous statement about people not being British, you are talking out of your arse because there is not currently any such official nationality designation as English, Scottish etc. - people are simple listed as being British citizens (or whichever other grade of nationality the law deems them to be entitled to)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nationality_law#Classes_of_British_nationality
126 Diddles (#) Apr 06th, 2012 - 12:33 am Report abuse
Aussie Sunshine, a complete an embarrassment....I hope you don't turn up to Anzac Day (military memorial day) services, it would be the act of a total hypocrit.

Australia operates as an independent country.....its been case for a long time....and we can walk and chew gum at the same time.....so know a constitutional monarchy has not harmed us, as countries like New Zealand and Canada understand as well.

As stated correctly before, our governor General operates like a referee in a constitutional crisis as was the case in 1975.....no blood was spilt....the govt, in this case, Whitlam's couldn't function...the conservatives controlled the senate and wouldn't pass the budget....the country could not be held to ransom by either side of politics. The opposition was installed only temporarily, for one purpose, to call an immediate election....that took place, and the PEOPLE decided by massiev numbers to elect a new government, a conservative one. That sounds like a functioning democracy to me....and I am an independent voter, not a leftist or a right winger.

Even a great country like the USA struggles to operate under a republic...their democracy is grinding to a halt at thsi moment....it doesn't have that circuit broker like a governor general. But as can be seen by some other silly commentators, who don't even understand the concept of a Briton (ie English, Welsh, Scot and Northern Irelander)...you guys just don't get it...Aussies don't need to grandstand for the world to know us....a republic won't make us a better country...or a better functioning one. You are mainly appealing to ignorance and old hatreds of Britain among some of the Irish Australian community and some other more recent migrant groups....classy stuff...I think not, and I have a Chilean wife and sister in law.

Again, Falkland Island haters, open your minds, if you know what means and talk to the islanders. Sounds too much like democracy, doesnt it...like Whitlam's support of East Timor invasion.
127 DanyBerger (#) Apr 06th, 2012 - 04:58 am Report abuse
@cornishair

G’day mate I’m just boring reading post from Aussies wannabe claiming to be Brits lovers and Brit wannabe telling lies a usual and counting sheep. ZZZZzzzzzzzz

My dating girl for today left me rally hot alone. Ich hab' keine Lust zu onanieren so nothing better to read shitty MP post and wait until tomorrow to see if I would be more lucky.

Bloody ‘ell

This situation makes me remember the tale of the temple of Diogenes the cynic,:

Diogenes was in the entrance of the temple sat there practicing the “monkey business” to the horror of the crowd.
A man from the multitude angry and perplex tells him.
Such a nasty man doing this horrendus thing in public such a shame.

Diogenes muted think a little bit without answering... The man near to explode in anger demanded an explanation from him and say... What do you have to say about it nasty horrible man?

Diogenes replies, God provided me with this mechanism to calm my sexual appetite I just wonder why he didn’t provide me with a similar mechanism to calm my stomach.

Think about it.
128 Be serious (#) Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:43 am Report abuse
Chile's assistance in defeating the Argentine Military is still very much appreciated in Britain.

Shame on the then Home Secretary, Jack Straw, who hated Maggie Thatcher and had a personal grievance against General Pinochet.

The arrest warrant was initiated by Spain but Straw took full advantage and seemed to delight in detaining General Pinochet.
129 Clyde15 (#) Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:23 am Report abuse
#1 “aussie sunshine”
You have it in a nutshell. Nothing worse than a traitor stabbing you in the back.
Exactly what the Argentine was proposing for Chile after it had “conquered the Falklands” - tough titty - it didn't !! Chile was supposed to be neutral or aid their glorious peace loving neighbour and then let them self be shafted.
So much for SA solidarity. With “friends” like Argentina, who needs enemies.
130 cornishair (#) Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:23 am Report abuse
127 Yay Dany.

Are you going to tell us Argentina has a strong military again? I alway have a good laugh when your commenting :)
131 LEPRecon (#) Apr 06th, 2012 - 12:29 pm Report abuse
@127 Dany, so all Austrailians have to hate the British 'cos you say so? Hmm how very democratic of you.

Back onto the point of the article. General Pinochet had an international arrest warrant issued against him so the UK government had to detain him because that is the LAW.

Unlike Argentina, the UK abides by international law, and doesn't use it as a political tool when it's convenient or disregards it when it's inconvenient.
132 reality check (#) Apr 06th, 2012 - 01:08 pm Report abuse
@110
I'm Welsh, born in one of the four countries that makes up Britian. I'm British. I do not need anyone else to tell me what nationality I can call myself. Especially an Argentinian, if thats what you are. What do you let people from Patagonia, call themselfs, Patagonian or Argentinian?
133 rebeldenacion (#) Apr 06th, 2012 - 01:51 pm Report abuse
And just what did you all expect from Argentina, a repeat performance of course.......for your viewing pleasure:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTBAjfgHLyk&feature=relmfu
www.youtube.com/watch?v=azwWSN2pukk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvQw00SV-c
www.ripoffreport.com/government-worker/argentina-tourists-m/argentina-tourists-murdered-l-33f51.htm
www.ripoffreport.com/federal-government/cristina-kirchner/cristina-kirchner-cristina-kir-dc9b0.htm
Gracias Cristina y Nestor!!
134 fermin (#) Apr 06th, 2012 - 02:39 pm Report abuse
A few weeks ago, when CFK was about to visit Chilean President Piñera, Cameron telephoned him...

Unluckily for him, the UK didn't find Pinochet's dictatorship on the other side of the phone this time... like Thatcher did in the past. He found a strong democracy, and democracy means that the chilean government expresses what the common chilean people believe: that Malvinas is part of the Argentinian territory.

I was in Santiago last week, and I felt like at home.
135 LEPRecon (#) Apr 06th, 2012 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
@134 Fermin - I doubt Argentina can count on Chile's support for much longer, assuming they ever had it in the first place. There is a big difference between words and actions, and in the past few days the Argentinian government has shown it's contempt for it's allies.
136 McClick (#) Apr 06th, 2012 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
| 132 |

You are Welsh !

Which team are you for ?
The Welsh National Team ?.....The England National Team ?
There is no Britannia National Team..!!
137 fermin (#) Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
@135 You can be sure that the support given to the Argentinian claim is HUGE. Argentina has no army or important business to extort Chile.

On the other side, the UK receives support from undeveloped countries not because of solidarity, but because there are pressures from corporations, from business men, from military groups, or from dictators like it was in Pinochet's times.

So you can be sure that this support that Chile has given to Argentina worths a lot, because the two countries are still culturally and economically colonized in a way.

Appart from this, I don't imagine what “further support” you are expecting, war maybe? Do you live in a society accustomed to maintain wars all the time in different parts of the GLOBE?

Get yourself well informed, Chile is giving a strong support to Argentina, don't let corporate media sell you crap.

What kind of merit has receiving support from Pinochet's dictatorship been for the UK and a government that was supposed to be democratic like Thatcher's one?
138 ChrisR (#) Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
127 Dunni-Burger

So what you are really saying is that Diogenes was just like you, a wanker.
139 NYC_2World (#) Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:26 pm Report abuse
Interesting to see how easily can England forget about its own historical allies...they had to bring this up otherwise the General (Pinochet) would stay locked up for life in England.
I am surprised and not surprised that most of the Brits had not clue about Chile and its allied role to England.... of course having Dictatorships as allies is indeed a diplomatic issue.
140 LEPRecon (#) Apr 06th, 2012 - 04:59 pm Report abuse
@139 - you are confusing Britain and England. Is it deliberate or are you so ignorant that you actually don't know the difference?

I will reiterate what I said earlier. There was an international arrest warrant for General Pinochet. One can't ignore the law, even international law, because we find it inconvenient.

For example, what if you saw your best friend murder someone? Would you obey the law and testify against them, or refuse because you believe your friendship is more important than any law?

It's not an easy decision to make, but if you refuse to testify could you not be charged with obstruction of justice?

Britain abides by international law, even when we find it uncomfortable or inconvenient. It's called honouring your word.
141 Pirat-Hunter (#) Apr 06th, 2012 - 05:24 pm Report abuse
This information should be enough to turn Chile into a province of Argentina. If Chile wants to be part of a war I think Argentina should take the first step and use their land to stage a Malvinas Argentina's defence strategy with Chile airforce.
142 LEPRecon (#) Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
@142 - er Pirat-hunter, won't you have to defeat Chile in order to gain control over it's airforce. Since your military is currently the worse equipped and trained on the South American continent, what do you plan to use to achieve your aims? Harsh language? Which is a about all you have.

I hardly think the Chileans will be loosing sleep over your impotent threats.
143 Clyde15 (#) Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:01 pm Report abuse
#136
The “Britannia” team - there is no such expression in the English language, it should be British - has not existed because, as Britain invented most of the popular world sports, they had no one to play against except the the countries that made up the UK or Britain. Then we brought in the Commonwealth countries and late still, the rest of the world.
144 JimHandley (#) Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
To everyone:
The revelations contained in this report certainly vindicate the ancient maxim: ‘Keep your mouth shut’!

Chile:
Many years’ ago, I had a number of long conversations with one of Allende’s top general’s widow and some separate, extended chats, with a former Peruvian diplomat. Both my interlocutors claimed that Pinochet mounted his coup against Allende, in response to a planned Marxist uprising. They also asserted (independently) that Cuban and Vietnamese Special Forces personnel were clandestinely arriving at the Santiago airport, in preparation for the ‘proletarian revolution’! I do not offer this information as proven FACT. It may be no more than just another rumour or conspiracy theory.

However, given the history of that turbulent time, I feel one should heed the old saying, ‘There’s no smoke without fire’ –especially when the notorious duplicity of almost ALL politicians is a FACT of common knowledge.

By the way, my own politics are those of the Moderate Left. But I take neither side of this argument as ‘gospel truth’. Rather –and speaking of the Bible– I always try to follow the advice of that wise old bird, St Paul, who said, ‘Prove all things!’ (or summat similar, to that effect) Furthermore, I unequivocally condemn ALL abuse of human dignity –inflicted by those of any ideological quarter, whatsoever.

Jim.
145 SussieUS (#) Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:51 pm Report abuse
@90 Skare (#)
I told you that your dislike for for my country will do any good. Is time to move on. Asia and the Middle East countries have worst abusive treatment against their people and worst goverments than CFK.
The US invasion in Vietnam lasted 13 years of destruction ( I was there as a civilian). The US lost. Are you still accusing the US?
The US invasion of Iraq on April 13, 2003 is 9 years of unacceptable killing and is the worst of all comparing to the argentine invasion. Iraq did not have WMD. Bush lied to all including to the UK. Are you still accusing the US?
146 ynsere (#) Apr 07th, 2012 - 03:54 am Report abuse
The foibles of human nature! Pinochet, like so many other dispicable tyrants in history, was at the same time a patriot. Perhaps the same can be said of the Argentine military who tortured and murdered their own countrymen and women.
147 Stefan (#) Apr 07th, 2012 - 04:31 am Report abuse
@146 - Evidently not, as Galtieri and his cronies completely failed to turn Argentina around from the brink of disaster. Pinochet succeeded greatly in that respect. His goal was to ultimately stop Chile becoming the next Cuba, and he succeeded, making Chile one of the better SA nations today. Argentina is still a terrible nation with dank living conditions and an inability to keep its mouth shut on issues such as the islands that they never owned.
148 BOTINHO (#) Apr 07th, 2012 - 05:06 am Report abuse
I can confirm the statements in this article.

In 1982, my wife and I had one of the first C-Band Satellite antennas up and working in Brasil.

The actual war had not yet started but the occupation of the islands had. News feeds were coming out of Argentina which we could watch in an unedited form.

Some big Red haired Kraut-looking Argentino with a similar mustache was being interviewed by a North American news network. He started getting worked up, and thunping the table while he spoke. His exact quaote was this: “ And after we get through with the British, we're then going after Chile over the our territorial rights in the Beagle Channel. ”

To put this into context, one must remember that Argentina and Chile almost went to war in 1978 over this same issue: Argentina's “ right to territory claims, ” as mentioned above regarding Operation Soberania.

At this point he was pounding the table. My wife and I were first shocked, and then we started laughing. It was as though we were watching an old newsreel from Germany about the Sudatenland, or Mussolini ranting about Albania !

But of course one must remember that at this time, most Argentinos, especially Portenos, believed they were actually Europeans and not South Americans.
149 DanyBerger (#) Apr 07th, 2012 - 05:10 am Report abuse
@cornishair

I just have a question for you, from what part of the countryside of England are you?

@LEPRecon

Did I say that? Nope I know some people like submissiveness due to lack of confidence, low esteem, lack of self-respect, inferiority complex, etc. I don’t blame them like I don’t blame you. Freedom of choice, if you feel happy good for you.

@reality check

“I'm Welsh, born in one of the four countries that makes up Britian”

I really doubt you are Welsh, when I was there on vacation (I went from Conwy to the south) I felt like a rocker star when I said That I was living in Argentina. I remember one lovely lady that have a hostel asking me about if I know some family down here (relatives of her). She care of my girlfriend and me like her sons. Many Welsh have relatives living in Argentina.

So now really where are you from?

@fermin

Excellent post, Chilean are good people I have the pleasure to meet some abroad and they were very good people and loyal, some of them where living in Argentina and they where very pleased of treatment received. : )

@ChrisRambo

Why don’t you surprise me at all liar man?

@LEPRecon

“For example, what if you saw your best friend murder someone? Would you obey the law and testify against them, or refuse because you believe your friendship is more important than any law?”

Well and Argentinian will support his friend even in the hard and bad times, an Irish will do the same, a Basque will burn himself for a friend. English will say sorry mate I don’t want to have trouble with the law from now on I don’t know you.
150 Skåre (#) Apr 07th, 2012 - 06:33 am Report abuse
@145 SussieUS

I don't have any dislike for your country.

You are the one seething with hate and openly wishing civilians dead .. and then trying to justify that with all manner of wholly irrelevant drivel about Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Take a long hard c=look at yourself before you accuse others of hate.
151 DanyBerger (#) Apr 07th, 2012 - 07:42 am Report abuse
@Skåre

Just for the record where are you from? Sure not brit or European. Am I wrong?
152 Skåre (#) Apr 07th, 2012 - 08:25 am Report abuse
@151 DanyBerger

Very European and very Norwegian Norway
153 McClick (#) Apr 07th, 2012 - 08:33 am Report abuse
| 143 |

Bonnie !

This is not a reply for me ..!

I am for Scottish National Team ......not England National Team..!
154 LEPRecon (#) Apr 07th, 2012 - 08:37 am Report abuse
@140 - Dany, there's a difference between supporting a friend through bad times, and deliberately breaking the law for them. If you don't respect the law then anarchy will reign.

General Pinochet was accused of breaking the law, an arrest warrant was made, and he was detained. Britain has a law that means we can't extradite people to a country who we suspect will torture them or who have the death penalty, but as the arrest warrant was issued by Spain under international law, this ruling didn't apply in his case.

Argentina doesn't respect international law, and uses it for it's own ends, but completely ignores it when it's inconvenient to them. Argentina breaks its word on the international stage, and ignore treaties and UN resolutions. Britain has never done that.

Regarding the General Pinochet issue, the only opinion I would truly respect on here is the opinion of the Chileans. After all he was their President and any perceived wrongs were against them and not Argentina.
155 ynsere (#) Apr 07th, 2012 - 04:39 pm Report abuse
147 - Stefan - I see your point, but the fact that the Argentine torturers weren't very bright doesn't mean they weren't patriotic. It's clear that Pinochet was far more intelligent than any Argentine dictator or elected president in decades, but his rule had many unsavoury aspects, including doubts about his personal honesty.
156 row82 (#) Apr 07th, 2012 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
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157 SussieUS (#) Apr 09th, 2012 - 07:48 pm Report abuse
@132 Reality Check (#)
I am from Patagonia (Comodoro Rivadavia, Chubut, Argentina) All people born in Argentina are argentinians.
158 LEPRecon (#) Apr 09th, 2012 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
@157 - I think that's the point Reality check was making.

Post 110 was trying to make out that there is no such thing as British, only English, Welsh, Scottish etc...

However all these people come from different parts of the Kingdom but are still British. According to McClick's thinking, you would be Patagonian as in his twisted way of looking at things there would be no Argentina.

It doesn't make sense, I know, but then very little of what McClick posts makes sense.
159 Clyde15 (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 09:26 am Report abuse
My passport is headed :-
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
As such I am British although I am also Scottish. The same can be applied to the English, Welsh or Ulstermen.
The only complaint I would make is the use of England/English in referring to the UK. The Scots and the English squabble and insult each other as families do but with any external criticism or trouble we will close ranks against a common foe as we have for hundreds of years. So if you feel like insulting England/English, please include the rest of the UK in your tirade.
Thank you !
160 The Chilean perspective (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 01:50 pm Report abuse
In December 1978 General Fernando Matthei and General Pinochet did what they had to do. After many years of arms embargoes our military was at a disadvantage, our fighting men were far superior but we didn't have enough weapons for a quick victory. It would have been a war of attrition. No doubt as to the final result, even their own military men like general Martin Balza who is currently their ambassador to Colombia has explicitly said on many occasions and in his book that Argentina would have lost.
Chile had no CHOICE, the Argentines did this not us. As a result there will always be mistrust between our peoples, which is good thing, because it focuses us to the fact that we must rely on ourselves for our defence, and we spend adequately in training and arms purchases. Today we have the Argentines right where we want them, a feeble military with no capacity to cause trouble. They want closer ties with us and are incapable of any mischief. Mission accomplished, now we can get on with economic development. They do their own soft fascism/keynesianism central planning we do our free market with a touch of welfare state and everyone is happy.
Pinochet is a dark stain on our nation but even the old buzzard did some good things, he let Matthei handle the Falklands issue and he let the Chicago boys handle the economy. Sadly 3000 people were murdered. Victor Jara a giant of a Chilean amongst them. Very sad, but we try to get over it.

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